-what is your greatest weakness? -i'm too honest -i don't think that's a weakness -i don't care what you think

@thrylos32

2 жыл бұрын

Interview joke 😜

@SabineHossenfelder

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, thanks for reminding me of that, I'd actually forgotten about it.

@iseriver3982

2 жыл бұрын

Was that the closer to 'truth' guy?

@CAThompson

2 жыл бұрын

@@SabineHossenfelder EPIC.

@aashsyed1277

2 жыл бұрын

@@SabineHossenfelder uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu r so awesome.

"I wrote an opinion piece, it was too honest" is the most Sabine thing I've ever heard

@CAThompson

2 жыл бұрын

That could be the first line of a Sabine song.

@cristianm7097

2 жыл бұрын

Sabine as Chancelor !

@g.g.hochstetler2286

2 жыл бұрын

She probably likes to smell her own farts.

@CAThompson

2 жыл бұрын

@@g.g.hochstetler2286 They'd be top-notch flatulence.

@CAThompson

2 жыл бұрын

@@cristianm7097 I second that motion!!

I like how Sabine updated her "2 trash can model" of scientific theories to adapt to the new data

@dopplerduck

2 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha

@hopegold883

2 жыл бұрын

😆

@peterknutsen3070

2 жыл бұрын

That’s because she twice got shocked. “Oh, scheisse! This is too stupid for the yellow can! I’m going to have to invent a 3rd can.” “Oh, mein fucking Gott…This is too stewpid even for the red can. I’ll have to invent a 4th can.”

@johnpayne7873

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterknutsen3070 Haha! Reminds me of how string theorists continue to add to their model… Guess it should be no surprise, when you are faced with making sense of a mess, it gets very messy, very quickly.

@thomasdowe5274

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterknutsen3070 Well, the cans are being rebroadcast lately by supporting the speculative 'science' of the 'Standard Gravitational Model' much of which is outright 'science fiction'.

"Ignoring criticism is exactly how groupthink happens." Quite.

@jhill4874

2 жыл бұрын

I agree! Wait... I don't agree? I'm confused. ☺

@JohnSmith-eo5sp

2 жыл бұрын

Ignoring Constructive Criticism is how groupthink happens!

@danilodeoliveiraleal767

2 жыл бұрын

The statement does not say that science is closed. It just follows a more serious method of legitimacy of ideas. An idea, theory, scientific fact can only be changed if it is approved in the scientific method. For by nature science determines the validity of an idea, attacking and verifying its falsifiability and testability, applying. The problem is that while science seeks absolute certainty the things that are valid. People take random ideas from their heads and out of arbitrary taste they start defending without having the arguments to justify. And the part of the argument and how people assume a belief is the difference. Furthermore: Science does not deal with opinion, science deals with fact. It's either fact or it's not science. Scientific theories must be the vanguard of facts, not a delusion of imagination and creativity. Creativity is not bad, but it needs to be coherent and have solid foundations, ideas with scientific foundations, following a method that guarantees the validity of ideas, and that is not mere creative speculation to please the imagination. A valid scientific theory produces technological development. And so, the facts guide to verify the validity of the theory, when it is noticed the stagnation of development against an idea that nothing improves. Nobody developed a computer studying Gnosticism, Kaballa, Theology, Buddhism. Because it's a lot of spent word and philosophical texts with no real empirical value. You can spend your whole life reading tons of books, and not be able to do brain surgery, build a house, build an airplane engine, develop an app. Science is guided by facts, the only thing that matters is: This knowledge improves our relationship with the problems of reality or is it a bunch of imagination with no connection to reality, and that doesn't solve the problems, but just entertains the person. Something that could be useful at a time when people were so dumb, that when faced with an illness, the only choice they had was a fictional story to entertain the person as they went through the illness, at least by treating one side of the problem, which is the psychological. And in fact religions have only one use: psychological morphine, anesthesia of reality. That's good, in the face of problems, everyone wants to avoid the pain of reality. But in progress, illusion is not good. Because it becomes the problem itself, which prevents the real solution from being reached.

@jhill4874

2 жыл бұрын

@@danilodeoliveiraleal767 Quite a nice (and lengthy) treatise. You've earned a nap. 👍

@2100Warzone

2 жыл бұрын

FlatEarthThink. ;-)

- "We want you to write an opinion peace." - "Sure, I will give you a piece outlining my opinion." - "No no, not YOUR opinion..."

@Boogaboioringale

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@RichardLucas

2 жыл бұрын

It's so batshit that only a total failure of self-honesty would have them refuse to publish. If there's a way in which that is not a damning indictment, I'd love to know it.

@007kingifrit

2 жыл бұрын

sounds like writing for cnn or wapo

@vitalygoji

2 жыл бұрын

Truth is , establishment stopped and corrupted science with Darwin and Einstein fairy tales. These days anyone can find out what happened in early 20 century just spending enough time on internet and listening to facts presented by independent scientists. I only learned about this "scientist" because Roger mentioned her in his lecture. Fake, manipulative and criminal shadow of the past. Thinking people don't need you. Talk to yourself and TV incapacitated crowd. Thinking world moved on decades ago. I don't think I will ever visit this dark age channel again

@TrustifierTubes

2 жыл бұрын

THIS!

i guess they really didnt like this sentence: "These models produce publications but they do not further progress." Scientific institutions today are obsessed with publications. It has become the ultimate metric of success, both for an institution and the individual. Criticizing this system threatens to undermine many interests, most of them financial and even political.

@chuckschillingvideos

2 жыл бұрын

It's all about keeping the grant $$$$$ flowing.

@KaiTakApproach

2 жыл бұрын

Bingo, it's all about publishing and grant money. It's business, not science.

@strayorion2031

2 жыл бұрын

Another consecuence of "publish of perish" mindset added to the list

@TheZacdes

2 жыл бұрын

Dead right:)

@hopegold883

2 жыл бұрын

Bingo.

From a (former) string theorist, I mostly agree with everything you talked about. I agree string theorists are still making progressive research as well as they are very often and very strongly overstating the importance of their results. I would also like to point out a couple of things about research in string theory. The first is that the current lines of research in string theory are not focusing only on condensed matter physics. In the last 10-15 years there has been some progress in understanding certain quantum phenomena of gravity, like the physics of black holes. For instance, a quantum microscopic description of the entropy of black holes has been obtained using string theory. Unfortunately these have been obtained only in very unrealistic settings (e.g. with supersymmetry, zero temperature and/or in more than 4 dimensions), but, to the best of my knowledge, no other candidate for a quantum theory of gravity has been shown to reproduce similar results in a convincing way. That being said, I believe one of the string theory community's biggest problems is the absence of self-criticism. This in my opinion prevents them from realizing most of their lines of research are becoming more and more abstract and detached from realistic problems, dangerously close to a dead end.

Physics needs more honest professionals like you, Sabine! :-)

The APS editors made an unwise decision. The piece would have been clearly marked as an opinion piece. There is no offensive language in it. Some may very strongly disagree with its content, which could have easily been dealt with by means of... a counter opinion piece. What I think is going on is not fear of offending anyone, but fear of tarnishing the image of some physics research in the public eye. If this is true, then the decision not to publish the article is especially unwise, as its content is going to reach the public anyway, but now with the APS making the impression of repressing unfavorable opinion. It's much better to have criticism out in the open, and deal with it squarely using arguments.

@principioequivalencia9455

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, honest opinions are the best, in science they are necessary.

@japert00

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, they went againts one of the main principles of finding "truth": the discussion. I mean is not like Sabine is doing some sort of propaganda.

@c.augustin

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed! But this is exactly the problem Sabine and others are pointing at for years by now. And how science is driven by journals and investors, and their economic interests, instead of being driven by the interest of furthering science. Insofar APS showed exactly were the problems of modern science do lie.

@terryr9052

2 жыл бұрын

@@oakpope That is totally short-sighted. Fundamental research may not yield any immediate value but lays the groundwork for future discoveries which may be valuable themselves.

@wkgmathguy218

2 жыл бұрын

I think it may be too late to prevent the tarnishing of the image of physics in the public eye. We seem to have a situation in which there are ground breaking revolutions every other week, which are then never heard from again. After a while it's the boy who cried wolf.

"they believe that their math is real, rather than just a description..." Spot on, you are the best.

@paradoxicallyexcellent5138

2 жыл бұрын

She is brilliant, both at science and the communication of it.

@ObjectsInMotion

2 жыл бұрын

Remember, the alternate view is also philosophy!

@yesthatsam

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly !

@infinitytoinfinitysquaredb7836

2 жыл бұрын

You can call math a "description" but it's a great description that has many times predicted real life particles and phenomenon before they were ever seen.

@bjk7300

2 жыл бұрын

@@infinitytoinfinitysquaredb7836 yo we can make religion out of this.

Oh man- I've been waiting so long for someone to put into words what I've always felt about multiverse theories. Finally, here it is.

@marcinnawrocki1437

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, It is refreshing to hear someone smarter explaining my feelings about universe.

Your experience is one that happens similarly in many professions. As an aviation consultant I’m accustomed to company managers who call in consultants to help them solve a problem but then refuse to listen to the advice they are given because it doesn’t agree with the model in their heads on how things should be done, that very same model that caused the problem they needed help to solve. People always ask for the opinion of others but rarely ever want to listen to it. Great video as always.

@roadie3124

Жыл бұрын

It's not just in the aviation field. Many people hire consultants because they want an outside body to lend weight to their crazy schemes to get them accepted by the board. And many consultants are happy to pocket the money and regurgitate the crazy scheme. You've got to pick your consultant carefully. It's a bit like governments making sure that commissions of inquiry are headed by reliable people who won't rock the boat by making any adverse findings against the government.

"These models produce publications but they do no further progress". Simply exquisite

@onedaya_martian1238

2 жыл бұрын

But, but...publications produce jobs, jobs maintain the economy, junk science and money are important !! Sabine hates capitalism and ideas !!! /s

@frankupton5821

2 жыл бұрын

@@onedaya_martian1238 It's the 'broken window' fallacy at work.

@onedaya_martian1238

2 жыл бұрын

@@frankupton5821 Well said !! After her statement, it is just a matter of time for politicians to show up with rocks to stimulate the economy. LOL. (actually, one shouldn't laugh, there are some poor Lebanese calling for war at this very moment because their economy is in shambles...a real live example of that fallacy)

@jjeherrera

2 жыл бұрын

The tone of a lot of modern research.

@KlaudiusL

2 жыл бұрын

@@onedaya_martian1238 Uhh.. nice concept, I like it. We can establish a new "Witch Hunting Era": - thats will push the logs, timber and matches economy. Or use others methods to prevent CO2 release. - States can open new schools and university teaching how to Hunt. Thousans of new job for teacher, administratives, bus drivers. - Even more we can build a couple of stadiums, where people can reunite to celebrate de eradication of that devils entities. Anothers thousans of jobs for cleaners, ticket saler, constructors. - Lauch 4 o 5, (why not 10 or more?) magazines and news papers with all the jazz about new hunted witches. Witch of the week?. Bunch of jobs, writers, editors, printers, magazine dealers. - Thousans of people hypothesizing about: witch creation, state, contagion and spread. How to identify them. Millons of reserch papers to read. Another push for the economy. - We can have reality show, following hunters on his daily job. Cable business on the rise again. Millons of new jobs. - We can create the Conseil Européen pour la Recherche en Sorcellerie (CERS for short), to build a machine to travel to the dimension where witches come from. Hell's path is paved with good intentions. Sorry no, *junk science* even exist. It's a contradiction. If you start from a wrong premise, the conclusion is wrong.

"I think my subscribers on KZread will appreciate some honesty." I smiled very much at this, you! 😂 Ripping them to shreds with subtle sarcasm! Genius and iconic!

@st0ox

2 жыл бұрын

And they say Germans have no humour, but what they didn't understand is, that something can still be funny even if just one side is laughing.

@neovxr

2 жыл бұрын

@@st0ox Till Eulenspiegel was a total prankster, extremely funny, even today some of his humor exists, but officially it is a high privilege, and if anyone does something like that without support from the biggest media or even a government person, then quickly there is outrage and the whole country is angry instead of laughing their asses off...

@irokosalei5133

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think that journal cares about what Sabine is doing on her channel, do you have evidence that shows otherwise ? She might be publishing this for us though, wild idea right ?

"What if" are cherished words in physics and fiction. It's important to not get the two mixed up.

Thank you for describing Platonism , I never knew that a word existed for that description. Every time I question something in physics, I get the response "the mathematics checks out" and apparently that's the end of the discussion.

@passerby4507

Жыл бұрын

I think you misunderstood what is being said in the video. The math checking out is a very large part of physics. What's wrong is extrapolating to something that was never tested nor intended to be modeled.

@StephenJohnson-jb7xe

Жыл бұрын

Except that the maths does suggest some things that may be impossible and as time goes by and we learn more there will be a revision of the maths based on more complete understanding and more complete data. Still it checks out.

I definitely appreciate honesty and scientists who can say “we don’t know”.

@mikepennington8088

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't someone famous say something to the effect that "I don't know" is the first step toward discovery? Also, there is the Einstein quote "Basic research is what I am doing when I don't know what I am doing." The point there is that to learn new things you cannot start with a preconceived notion of the result. That biases much of the effort.

@djgroopz4952

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed any human being at this point

@mitchgunzler3737

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikepennington8088 If you know where you are going from the start it isn’t science, it’s engineering. (Similarly, if you know what’s going to be in the next episode of a news program then it’s not actually a news program.)

@pshehan1

2 жыл бұрын

We scientists are only interested in what we don't know and correcting that ignorance.

@antisocialatheist1978

2 жыл бұрын

I've never seen a scientist who wouldn't say I don't know when they don't know.

"Our readers might be offended by your honest opinion that we asked for." How Regressive of them.

@TheMarrethiel

2 жыл бұрын

The the readers might be offended is a testable theory. It would have be very rigorous of them to test it! That's science!

@PatriPastry

2 жыл бұрын

it’s pretty simple math, offended readers = maybe less people subscribe to the paper. Gotta keep your money up, honesty is second to money!

@LiftPizzas

2 жыл бұрын

Getting offended is not part of the scientific process. People who are getting offended are not doing science.

@paulmaydaynight9925

2 жыл бұрын

ask Abraham "Avi" Loeb -us Bolshevik ?- theoretical physicist who works for profit on astrophysics and cosmology, How *is He* going to engineer -as practitioners of engineering, are professionals who invent, design, analyse, build and test machines, complex systems, structures, ... Not engineer a science fiction -*-improved-*- improbability drive- anything in his professional theoretical lifetime -no quantum leap required- in reality ? ; can he even single...

@RichardLucas

2 жыл бұрын

@@LiftPizzas They are the people who choose which projects get the grants, though.

Sabine, just got gotta say I appreciate your videos. I'm finishing up my undergraduate career in physics and going onto grad school, and you have been the most helpful resource in learning how to navigate truth in the modern scientific landscape, more so than even my research. I did particle physics for a while, and while I liked it, something was nagging at me that I wasn't going to do the type of work I should have been doing. When I learned from your channel that we wouldn't see new LHC physics until we up our COM energy by an order of magnitude, it finally clicked. It felt like a lot of the physics that the LHC was capable of discovering had been found. I'm studying condensed matter now and the focus on practicality and use in the real world brought back my excitement. Thanks again for speaking your mind!

This is one of the best videos about current state of Physics. As a scientist myself I think honesty needs to taught to students in Physics 101, so that they do not indulge in Groupthink! This is a huge problem in our times, when certain opinions are considered as 'The Truth', and anything critical to it, is thrown out the window. This is totally 'anti-science'.

The fact a science magazine cares more about reader's feelings than facts, it simply hurts my feelings 😁

@Egonkiller

2 жыл бұрын

HAHAHAHAHAHA

@frankupton5821

2 жыл бұрын

It seems reasonable to me. Think how much happier we would be today if Darwin's ideas had never been published.

@DrDeuteron

2 жыл бұрын

@@frankupton5821 Darwin's ideas are largely ignored, so what's the difference?

@gregor-samsa

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrDeuteronNo, Darwin is ignored only near the imperial system. About 95% of world population does it different: with SI system and not ignoring Darwin.

@leolafortune1255

2 жыл бұрын

Hurts my sides too.

"That which can be destroyed by the truth, should be" - P.C. Hodgell

As a fellow german living in an english speaking country I know the cultural clash and reality grief you cause when you are simply honest. Not everyone can handle facts for what they are - facts. Great job, well done.

@AD-zo5vp

Жыл бұрын

Same experience here. I sometimes feel people always take everything in a normative way. But when I drop the common German line "nothing personal, just serious" that's typically too honest as well 😂

@nycbearff

Жыл бұрын

Sometimes those of us who were raised in an English speaking country also experience this. My parents were research scientists, so I was brought up to treat facts as facts - which has helped me in my work and also caused grief when people I worked with (and managers) didn't want to hear them sometimes, no matter how much solid evidence I had to support them.

@MichaelCampbell01

11 ай бұрын

On the other hand, most of the German (and Dutch) hate from other cultures is not about what is fact (or what is true), but more around the term "Just because it's true doesn't mean you have to say it." Irrational, perhaps, but some social lubrication is warranted sometimes.

"I actually think I was very polite" after proceeding to illustrate research topics as items that go into garbage containers... 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I love this channel! (And agree totally btw)

Sabine is the little girl who shouted, “Look, the emperor has no clothes!”

@MadsVoigtHingelberg

2 жыл бұрын

HC Andersen FTW!

@dscott1524

2 жыл бұрын

The Emperor knows, just shut up. Cheers.

@peculiarlittleman5303

2 жыл бұрын

...and none of the other little girls and boys would play with her anymore. She had to eat her lunch all by herself....and it was Good!

@chpsilva

2 жыл бұрын

We need more people with this courage.

@Graeme_Lastname

2 жыл бұрын

He probably did but she could see through them. ;)

The ability to present a critique is a sign of a healthy environment.

@pierrebuffiere5923

2 жыл бұрын

Another sign is the ability to accept it.

@MucaroBoricua

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, so why is the media, social media, and the democrat party canceling people for criticizing the vaccines? Would you say they are fomenting an unhealthy environment?

@camaradaforte2531

2 жыл бұрын

@@MucaroBoricua What are these critiques? I'm not in favor of bourgeois media, but there's a difference between naïve skepticism fueled by disinformation, and actual principled, scientific critiques. Usually those who "criticize" vaccines present the former rather than the latter.

@MucaroBoricua

2 жыл бұрын

Camarada Forte, I’ll not get into details because the back and forth is front and center in the news. But calling others’ opinions “naive skepticism” is a sign that you don’t practice what you profess. Don’t you think.

@DocBree13

2 жыл бұрын

The ability to accept a critique is a sign of an even healthier one.

Thank goodness for Sabine! She's one of the few who spells out how much hype comes out from the physics community. I know most of the hype is to generate funding for research, Fred Hoyle was an expert on that.

@Broockle

2 жыл бұрын

ye even me who is a Physics hobbyist at best can see the roulette these magazines spin to see what particle will get p hacked next to be next dark matter. Must feel extremely jarring for people that actually understand the science.

I was losing hope for physics until Sabine, her critical thinking has renewed my optimism. I became soured to physicists and began to question all the theories even the basics. Going through her last couple years utube videos has given me hope and new practical insights. Thanks for the great info

That was incredibly well said, Sabine. Not that you need it from us, but respect.

@ighhkvbkgfgh

2 жыл бұрын

@Science Revolution haha ok

If the "community" can't consider criticism, then the community isn't worth considering.

@rozzgrey801

2 жыл бұрын

@Schlomo Baconberg You don't have overlords, or if you do, and they don't please you, you replace them.

@faikerdogan2802

2 жыл бұрын

@Science Revolution is this sarcasm ?

@mettaursp309

2 жыл бұрын

@Science Revolution I don't know if your comment is serious at all, but your analysis falls apart pretty quickly with a few simple facts about gravity: It isn't strictly perpendicular to sea level, and its definition is entirely independent of that. It isn't perpendicular to ground either. It appears that way because it's a force that pulls towards nearby mass. Where is most nearby mass on the planet? It's all concentrated around the center of the planet. What is the direction of the pull to all that nearby mass? Because the planet is a sphere, its most often perpendicular to the surface. Gravity being perpendicular to the surface, or sea level in your example, isn't a given fact, it's just an observable side effect. Here's where that explanation falls apart: the moon exists. What is the moon? A large collection of mass. What does a large collection of mass have? A gravitational pull. Stuff gets pulled to the moon. Is the direction of the pull guaranteed to be perpendicular to the surface or sea level? No, thus horizontal forces can come into play. Stuff gets pulled to the moon, but much less than it gets pulled to earth because the moon is farther away and smaller so the pull is weaker. It's weak enough that it's hard to notice on rigid objects, but liquid is much more easily influenced. It's also much easier to see on the ocean because there is so much of it, so the effects, the tides, are much more easily apparent than in something like a glass of water. It would be a lot harder to notice tides if we were big enough to hold the earth in our hands the same way we can hold a glass of water. The explanation you gave is an example of trying to disprove a system with an explanation that has nothing to do with the system itself. You can't disprove a system by introducing conditions that aren't a part of, or aren't legal in the system to begin with. There's a term for that: garbage in, garbage out. If it isn't designed to work with a piece of information then that information will produce undefined results when plugged into the system. The garbage here being the "gravity is perpendicular to sea level" explanation. It doesn't really matter to me if you're serious or not with that post because this is more to help passersby understand why that sea level explanation was incorrect.

@ThePowerLover

2 жыл бұрын

"ʻOumuamua being most likely just a chunk of hidrogen" it's also a case of bad science, you're forgeting that is ok to be skeptical, in the case of ʻOumuamua, we simply don't have enough data to think what hypotesis is the most likely. Scientist must just keep skeptical in cases like this.

@Trollificusv2

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThePowerLover Even when there are books to be sold if you jump in with speculation wherever there's no proof or observational data? Wasn't it Avi Loeb who was already arranging the Oumuamua font and cover art, getting on every YT science channel so he could be the new von Daniken? Those alt-history/ancient aliens/megalithic architecture/pre-cataclysm civilizations/GIANTS! channels are fun. But if you're a "real" scientist, you don't want to be the one cashing in by being first to dump skepticism.

“I thought I was being quite polite.” Been there. Welcome to the club.

@sharpfang

2 жыл бұрын

Some people consider the very act of not agreeing with their opinion as an ultimate offense.

@ActionableFreedom

2 жыл бұрын

@@sharpfang It's weird. I see this everywhere, from meta discussions in college, forums online, just general comments on youtube and with friends. "People dont like to be wrong". Now I kinda get it if your entire career depends on a postulate and someone "attacks" it. But this doesn't seems to be the crux of the matter. People don't like to be wrong, period. Even in small things that wouldnt affect their reputations or careers much. And I'm the opposite, I like to be wrong. Because being wrong gives me new insight, being right just confirms my previous thoughts. But when I tell people I like to be wrong they almost don't believe me. I also like to be honest. But my honesty is often thought of as a disguise for mean spiritedness. Meaning that people thing that I use "honesty" as a shield for being mean. I.E. my motivation is not honesty but a free card to say what ever the heck I want to even if it hurts people. And now that I think about it, it might stem from the very same original problem. Honesty is fine, people like honest people - especially when they are honest about themselves. (Someone cynical might point out that it makes it easier to take advantage of that other person then). Because I like new insights, especially about myself I like it when people are honest to me. But I think most other people value stability and identity over insight. So they'd, bluntly, rather live a lie (small or big) than have someone challenge it. Honesty thus becomes secondary. It's more important to be "nice" than "honest" because most people value that stability and identity than they do a new insight. That's why identity politics is so big. The "right" to define yourself without anyone else's opinion. When it comes to honesty about someone else then you invade "their space" to define (however right or wrong, beneficial or not) themselves.

@sharpfang

2 жыл бұрын

@@ActionableFreedom The problem stems - in my opinion - from certain groups first transforming certain opinions/stances of their own into doctrines, a prerequisite of tribal allegiance - if you question these opinions to the smallest degree, you're considered the worst, and should be canceled. This stance was especially prevalent in colleges, up to where students would riot and burn property if someone they disagree with was invited to speak. And then they got so used to that approach that they expanded it from their doctrinal matters to all their opinions, and consider disagreement in anything an attack.

@ActionableFreedom

2 жыл бұрын

​@@sharpfangWell tribal allegiance is just an extension of individual allegiance but yeah your argument is similar to mine. It's more important to keep the stability of the tribe and its identity and thus that feeling of security and peace of mind than constantly have it questioned. Its comfortable like you say, you get used to it, it seems to work and you don't want that disrupted. But then again it's not that simple. People like me aren't very dependable in the eyes of people like this. People like me might report on corruption in the police force, breaking the "blue line" bond, risking the integrity of the whole police because of a "few rotten apples". There may be two competing ideas. If you keep pointing out faults with your own "tribes" ideas but the other tribe has nobody like you then that creates an imbalance. Which is why debates on TV are often so hollow and parliamentary discussions rarely lead to a change of opinion. If the opinion is to change it needs to change through the internal structures of the whole tribe. So say the other side says something smart and wortwhile. You don't admit it right away, instead the "proper" way according to the norms of society and say a political party, a group of advocates of any position really, is to discuss it internally and see if you can latch it on to your own pre-dispositions. This is also why science is less a thread of continous development but a world of paradigms. Once in a while the old paradigm becomes so inflexible and antiquated that it breaks and a whole new paradigm becomes the "dogma" and "truth" of the day. It's sad and I wish the world was different and sometimes I want to kill myself over it but it's what it is. Everywhere. :(

I love how you acknowledge philosophy as an important part of doing science! I really think we need to talk about this way more, as you said, not necessarily in concrete cases of bad/good science, but rather "what makes good science" (and, more abstractly, but still important, especially since you mention platonism: "what even is truth"). These are, more than anything, philosophical questions. Other fields have very different issues with philosophy; I think a lot of computer scientists would profit from an ethics class. In any case, we all must acknowledge the importance of reasoning about why we ask the questions we ask and if those questions are even meaningful at all.

@wordzmyth

Жыл бұрын

Computer scientists, information technologists without an ethic in sight other than the protestant work ethic are now programming AI. Open AI which has created GPT 3 and suddenly isn't a non profit anymore. While Google drops the value "Don't be evil" just as they create an AI

“Most physicists are platonists” I loved this line, because for a few years I’ve been learning more about Platonism and am beginning to develop the feelingly that my mathematical objects are abstract, external entities. It was a beautiful call out though, when Hossenfelder addressed that this is a philosophy, and doesn’t constitute science

@nielskorpel8860

2 жыл бұрын

What I don't understand about this view is how people treat these ideas as opposites. You can see mathematical objects as things that exist on their own -- as evidenced by the fact that the '3' in my imagination has the same mathematical properties as the '3' in yours, we don't get to choose -- and use them as mere descriptions of the physical reality in which we live. That reality is also real, just not for being built from also real math. Or am I the crazy one here?

@TheZacdes

2 жыл бұрын

@@nielskorpel8860 Math underlies EVERYTHING in the physical universe man. Our shared reality is a product of math and physics guiding evolution.

@nielskorpel8860

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheZacdes The math or patterns which you could describe with math? I don't disagree with you I think. But what does 'math' refer to you?

@mikeconant4777

2 жыл бұрын

@@nielskorpel8860 Mathematics is a language, very formal and logically consistent. We agree to find "objective reality" to be logically consistent, at least in those areas where we have a language to do so! But they are not the same: our discoveries in the language of mathematics have created constructs well beyond our observations, and similarly, we have observations that do not fit our math. I think it is fair for Sabine to call out the difference.

@theeddorian

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikeconant4777 Because it is a language, formal and rule bound (logically consistent) it is subject to Goedel's Incompleteness Theorems. No mathematical system (or philosophical system) can ever be complete. Your agreement is irrelevant to "objective reality." In fact we have no means or methods to fully observe and describe "objective reality." Your mathematics is an immensely useful tool, but it cannot be fundamental.

I'm getting my PhD in Cartoon Physics - a branch of the multiverse.

@alkman9880

2 жыл бұрын

Wise human! Physics engines will make you BIG MULLAH!

@gustavoboscardin9351

2 жыл бұрын

"I have a theoretical PhD in physics"

@Bravohalo

2 жыл бұрын

Specialize in Boing Theory.

@grandlotus1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bravohalo I will. We believe that the Big Boing is how the Cartoon Universe began. The singularity was infinitely funny and then it suddenly burst out laughing. The rest is herstory.

@MrHominid2U

2 жыл бұрын

Part of your tuition goes to ACME anvils

Thank you so much for this video and also for the text! I'm expiring all of this in another branch. You talked from the bottom of my heart! ❤️

Yessssssss. Thanks for your intellect and your honesty, Sabine. I wish there was more of it in the realm of science.

I want to speculate where Sabine gets her wardrobe. I mean, lightning outfit? Awesome.

@stclairstclair

2 жыл бұрын

She doesn't go shopping, Clothes just want to be around her!

@timl.b.2095

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. And it would be more awesome in the lightning bolts glow in the dark!

@tobogansky

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, very striking indeed!

@TheChishold

2 жыл бұрын

I refused to contribute to a discussion of the apparel of a female presenter. I'm more seduced by her intellect.

@javelinman7

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheChishold Come for the intellectual presentation, stay for the fashionable science wear.

Hitchen's Razor: What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.

@TheChishold

2 жыл бұрын

I've got a t-shirt with that in it. Also, “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” was a phrase made popular by Carl Sagan who reworded Laplace's principle, which says that “the weight of evidence for an extraordinary claim must be proportioned to its strangeness”

@brettfawcett2306

2 жыл бұрын

What’s the evidence for Hitchens’ razor? :)

@ernestmoney7252

2 жыл бұрын

@@brettfawcett2306 It is a rule of debate - indicating what you will put up with - rather than an empirical statement. Its converse requires you to construct a refutation of effectively ANY unsupported statement your adversary makes. Any takers for that principle?

@richardpark3054

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Never heard that!

@dannygjk

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheChishold Sagan's sentence doesn't fully encapsulate Laplace's principle.

You have an outstanding work and you communicate incredibly well! Please keep making this awesome video for us! I love your work.

Got a new subscriber! I'm an industrial chemist, and was always confused as to why some of the modern theoretical physics research was considered scientific. Your opinion was very refreshing, and makes too much sense.

Thank you so much, I thought it was me being mad rejecting the multiverse-hype.

@SabineHossenfelder

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to be of help 🙂

@CAThompson

2 жыл бұрын

I always thought it was a ridiculous idea to take seriously.

@arctic_haze

2 жыл бұрын

@@SabineHossenfelder I've just noticed that I can subscribe. Done!

@aSfuLk

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree, popular movies in "physics" category are impossible to watch, they should be in the "UFO" category. Maybe someone is trying to spoil the image of physics in order to scare off children from studying it.

@octosquatch.

2 жыл бұрын

@@aSfuLk ufos are far more real than the multiverse or string theory for the simple fact that they are observable.

"Signor Galilei, we think your ideas about the solar system are very interesting, but they might offend many people. We have therefore drafted a retraction for you. By the way, what do you think of this thumbscrew, as a piece of engineering?"

@OboeCanAm

2 жыл бұрын

At the Museo Galileo in Florence, his right hand middle finger is preserved in a bell jar. A student at the museum told me they pointed it towards the Vatican.

@yesthatsam

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome ! Bravissimo !

@dennisbergendorfii5440

2 жыл бұрын

E pur si muove!

@cecilia00960

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, precisely. Great comparison.

@irokosalei5133

2 жыл бұрын

What part of this video are about Sabine's scientific ideas ? I miss this comparison with the solar system model being relevant 🤪

I've been following for a year or so, and am as impressed with the depth of your content as how you've improved your English pronunciation. Thanks for making these videos!

This is amazing 👏👏👏 thank you for being the one to say this !

Science is about seeking the truth! Not trying to "not offend" some people! Thank you for making sure that your opinion reach to us; We really appreciate some honesty nowadays.

@alext5497

2 жыл бұрын

'was'

@freshbakedclips4659

2 жыл бұрын

Science is to look for the truth, not find it

@brandonbennett4970

2 жыл бұрын

@Science Revolution You are an absolute nut

@chpsilva

2 жыл бұрын

A true scientist shouldn't feel "offended" by someone questioning his/her theories. Instead, he/she ought to pause and consider the different point of view.

@josephang9927

2 жыл бұрын

Not even that. Science gets closer to the truth, not "find" it.

You're part of my ideal when talking about science with people who don't ‘believe in science.’ Showing how scientists themselves, as a body of people, are highly skeptical and critical of themselves is a good display of how the scientific method is supposed to work. But when I asked my grandfather and father what they thought of science, they legitimately thought that scientists are a group of guys that sit in a room and roll dices in what to say is true next; I think that's because many speculative science is treated as true to make headlines and turns into sensationalist KZread videos; It seems that there ARE scientists with supbar conduct of science and personal biases; that's why peer reviewing and peer criticism is even more important. Good video, Sabine!

@ADavidJohnson

2 жыл бұрын

A lot of people, especially those who come from a Christian tradition and now are atheists, tend to put “Science” in the place they previously reserved for God. This seems to be how we get “IFL Science!” type science fans and the like. It’s just a new gospel to be evangelized. *Scientists* aren’t taking science on faith or unaware of the fraud and limitations of their field. But science fans tend to be unaware and treat Science as dogma even while admitting that particularities chance with time.

@oilman7718

2 жыл бұрын

@@ADavidJohnson I agree. But unfortunately, many scientists themselves are not immune from the deification of science.

@JungleJargon

2 жыл бұрын

@@oilman7718 That’s just it. Science is supposed to be determining what the reality is. The Bible is all about what the reality is. Scientists are trying to get at the truth and the Bible tells you what the truth is. Nothing can make or generate or order or direct itself. Every physical thing comes from another cause. To me, that’s your evidence of God. What are scientists expecting to find, magic? 🪄 ✨ ❓‼️ 👀😳🙄 (Theory of everything …Pfft)

@DrStrangeBrew

2 жыл бұрын

Richard Fineman had a great rant about what he thought science was. It is worth a view, listen and/or read.

@BlacksmithTWD

2 жыл бұрын

@@ADavidJohnson You just explained the difference between science and scientism. (just as in the positive connotation of recently and correctly rather than merely.)

Sabine, these videos are making the world a better place in many ways. I'm so very grateful. Thank you.

Hi Sabine, I think you're really good at this. Thanks for the explanation of physicists doing superfluous physics. I like you and your personality Dr. Hossenfelder. :)

"infinitesimal chance of working" very kind wording

@CAThompson

2 жыл бұрын

In the vernacular, that would be stated as 'bugger -all chance'.

@billr3053

2 жыл бұрын

Snowball's chance in hell.

@rogerbartlet5720

2 жыл бұрын

Speculative theories become a cottage industry.

@naamadossantossilva4736

2 жыл бұрын

@@rogerbartlet5720 Cottage industries don't get kms of european real state and billions in funding.

@rogerbartlet5720

2 жыл бұрын

@@naamadossantossilva4736 But they would if they could.

This is meta. I think we've hit Peak Sabine. 😀 Also I have been almost salivating to watch some more Sabine savagery. 💜

@cyrilio

2 жыл бұрын

I’m a believer of peak Sabine being reached at the end of time.

@CAThompson

2 жыл бұрын

@@cyrilio Either way, I believe there's plenty more for the time-being.

Sabine, awesome opinion piece! Its bodes very well with my own thoughts in that I feel maths is used to justify outlandish ideas rather than consider the philosophy of realistic ones.

Sadly, it seems that science news in mainstream media has to be sensationalized or "click bait-y" in order to get noticed. I appreciate your no-nonsense approach in presentation; it helps "reel in" the wilder speculations out there. Thank you for your work!

So beautiful, so smart, so level headed. You rock Sabine!!

Thank you for having the courage to be honest! It feels so great to have found a real physicist on the internet who will actually tell us whether something is possible in reality, and not just on paper - and in a way we can understand.

Thank you for your honest return. We are thousands in applied research following in awe the fanciness of today's Physics. Especially the search for the Baryons is worrying me a bit.

Thank you for this . We love your KZread and challenging us!

This was a revelatory video mostly because of the lack of courage from the APS. I am a long time reader of their publication as well as a Fellow and I am shocked that happened. (Great promotion by the way!)

@WillyoDee

2 жыл бұрын

And just as I post that, Sabine brings Brian up in her video, haha

@djmbst

2 жыл бұрын

are you really shocked that they didn't publish an article by a GERMAN author where she talks about 'DEGENERATE' science'? Might want to google 'degenerate art' then

@DrWhom

2 жыл бұрын

@@djmbst she lacks sensitivity - a typical Teutonic trait in my experience

In the immortal words in one of Billy Joel's songs "Honesty is such a lonely word!"

Thanks, Sabine. I'm a science editor and the worst type if article to edit is about poorly designed research, often based on faulty premises. Sadly, there are lots and they're funded!

Appreciated your honesty 💜

Most appreciated, Sabine. That is the article I'm looking for in a physics journal. Shame on you, editors!

Yep, one of the great flaws of modern "science" is its opposition to "too much honesty." Another is turning speculations and models into "truth" and falling in love with models that do not work out as predicted, instead they just alter the model's inputs.

It must be hard to be awesome all the time. Loved this piece. Keep up the great commentary.

Thanks for sharing honest real reflexions and your text.

Thanks for this! I respect your insight and honesty 👏 you care deeply about your work and don't play games. You inspire me to wonder 😌what a great gift you bring! ❤

Honesty moves science forward. History is filled with examples of “expert leaders” in specific fields who have blocked and manipulated those who disagreed with them. We now have researches and theorists who can not afford to lose their funding.

Actually had a similar debate not long ago, more about fact and speculation in science I guess. But very similar. I entirely agree with what you put forth. Great piece and could possibly help get some things back on track.

What this world needs is more honesty and less concern about hurt feelings. Keep up the good work Sabine!!

What on earth did they expect when they asked for her opinion?

I have been looking forward to this post ever since you announced it was coming out today! You didn't disappoint us! Your dress was beautiful, BTW!

Sabine, you are an exemplary human being. Critical thought and honesty, so rare in the world today. Please keep being you.

Great video! I believe this parallels many of the science that is reported today. Where discussions about theories and evidence can have no alternatives and to bring them up gets you canceled.

Oh man I saw your post a couple of days ago that that this video was coming. I’ve been looking forward to this. Here we go!

@CAThompson

2 жыл бұрын

Same! Was not disappointed!

I love this woman.

@bigstroker1300

2 жыл бұрын

Me too and I am jealous about her husband.

@UnboxedThinker

2 жыл бұрын

If all commenters weighed in, this would probably be one of the longest threads of "Me too" comments on the internet. Me too, by the way. :D

@VlastimirStankovic

2 жыл бұрын

@@bigstroker1300 just wait in the queue, like the rest of us :D

@mikearst2940

2 жыл бұрын

@Science Revolution >> _How many videos deleted from youtube since I expose scientific lies on my blog?_ Mesmerizing question. Haven't a clue. To a non-scientist, this sort of thing is fascinating: assertions about science, the universe, reality-everything, really-that prove themselves true simply by being stated aloud. Emphatically. (It might even help if you used all caps. Shouting can sometimes be quite compelling, especially if it goes to 11.) The assertions are kinda like the religious truisms you'd dismiss as untrue. They too prove themselves by being stated aloud. Dueling dogmas-which will win the greater number of converts? Anyway: altogether a superb job of persuasion, if you don't count the lack of persuasiveness.

@waynedarronwalls6468

2 жыл бұрын

@Science Revolution time for your meds dear boy...lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪

I have been binge watching your videos for educating myself as I have a lot of ignorance to cover. Pseudoscience and junk science and wasting of resources research money are also issues. Specially when funds comes from the public sector funds or even generous private foundations. You have chosen to enlighten as well as separate the conflicting confusing junk that we may be wasting our valuable time and resources on. I feel great to enjoy learning and not wasting my time. Best regards.

Sabine's channel is getting better and better!!

This is what science is about: asking the unpleasant questions no one wants to hear or deal with. This is the only way to progress

@ernobuzas9381

2 жыл бұрын

@Kittitee Sriraksa oh yeah, it’s important not to get deluded into thinking that *any* unpleasantness is science. Most of them are not

@jorgepeterbarton

2 жыл бұрын

Ironically, some of these speculations are exactly that. Multiverses, conscious observers, aliens? Perhaps counter-intuitive, non-materialist even. Suggestions of our paradigms being wrong. But the problem is their unchecked perseverence as anything more than speculation. Now we must speak out against them....and in a way not make the same mistake they did because it /could/ be irrational cynicism that goes unchecked and evolves into pseudoscience too.

We have a say in Brazil about situations like that: if you don't want to see the genie, don't rub the lamp!

@gabrieltomaz6034

2 жыл бұрын

never heard of this one haha!

@DrWhom

2 жыл бұрын

o yes, that super successful country Brazil, the envy of the world

Love to hear your straight forward rational scientific approach. Hope this can spread throughout society more

Thank you for your excellent videos. I am not a scientist so cannot contribute any meaningful comments other than that your chats are thought promoting and inspire me to learn more.

AMEN! Don't ever stop being a strong advocate for clarity on this subject!

the scientific journals are a huge part of the problem of silencing scientist that go against the grain

@alansilverman8500

2 жыл бұрын

...which is what Avi Loeb said as well!

@CAThompson

2 жыл бұрын

@@alansilverman8500 There's uncomfortable pointing-out of issues then there's random speculation, IMO.

@alansilverman8500

2 жыл бұрын

@@CAThompson I disagree with Avi on his specific claim but agree with the more general point that Lowell made...

@berarma

2 жыл бұрын

The new Inquisition.

@therealfearsome

2 жыл бұрын

@@berarmayep, part of cancel culture

Brilliant! Physics needs more voices like yours.

Keep exactly that way! By the way, I do think that your research in superfluid vacuum is the key to the new physics. Keep doing it! But the superdeterminism looks kind of scarry!

Thank you for this. It is very refreshing.

Wel done, Sabine. Sabine is a charm.

Very informative and eye opening. Thank you!

beautiful points! thanks sabine.

I love the word “gobbledygook” it really adds that little bit of umph to the topic. Awesome word choice.

multiverse... ""research"" ! Beautiful presentation!

@Krishnajha20101

2 жыл бұрын

I was like OOF after she said that.

@Trollificusv2

2 жыл бұрын

Hey! Multiverse theory predicts there exists a universe wherein hard experimental results on multiverse theory are being obtained right now! Or, at least, OUR "right now"...

Thank you for standing your ground and speaking your opinion.

I like this honesty, and, so long as kind to their fellow people, I appreciate it when people with contradictory opinions to yours are honest like this too. Healthy, friendly discussion and debate is progressive.

I'd say speculation is fine. It's when pure speculation gets reported to the public - or even others in the same research field - that we start getting ahead of ourselves.

@georgelionon9050

2 жыл бұрын

@Aslam Parvez Which actually is? I believe it's actually not what you think it is, the difference between theory and hypothesis is hazy and in fact only a matter of complexity. "An unsupported object falls down" is a hypothesis. Gravity is a theory.

@CarrotConsumer

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgelionon9050 Then the difference between a working hypothesis then.

@DrWhom

2 жыл бұрын

there is a pressure in journo circles to make things "exciting for idiots" which is why we end up with utter nonsense in rags like New Scientist or the dismal reporting in just about any UK or US news outlet. The general public, which is not stupid, then correctly judges this stuff to be bullshit but incorrectly assumes this is what scientists are up to these days.

@georgelionon9050

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrWhom The most in your face thing of this was once a "documentary" I saw on the edge of physics or so, they interviewed a series of physicists .. and all the answers reached in the field of speculation but where possibly plausible with existing theory.. I guess they asked in that direction (the questions were not repeated) and while the physicists all said this is speculation and put other brackets around it, the reported then felt the need to "sum it up", and "repeated" as if it would have been facts backed by science and not only did they leave the "this is speculation" part away, their summary was also massively distorted and just wrong in conflict with scientific theory. Thats the sorrow state.

Thank you for being as blunt as possible. It’s refreshing…

THANK YOU!.. I enjoy everything you say.

Very good. Thanks for posting this.

Sabine, I admire you, a lot

Honesty is very appreciated.

@rozzgrey801

2 жыл бұрын

Apparently not by the paranoid feeble-minded weaklings that run organisations or communities.

@Trollificusv2

2 жыл бұрын

For certain values of "honesty".

A lot of truth here, thank you so much for this. The scientific world needs to hear these sorts of things more often!

It’s good to have you back! ;)