No, it can’t. Fans often talk about the light side and the dark side of the Force, but the “light side” is really just the Force in its natural state, and the dark side is a perversion of it. So it’s impossible for the Force to be unbalanced toward the light.

@alexdeghost2729

15 күн бұрын

The Father says otherwise

@teleportedbreadfor3days

15 күн бұрын

Exactly. In fact, there is no Light Side. There is the Force and the Dark Side of the Force.

@teleportedbreadfor3days

15 күн бұрын

@@alexdeghost2729 The Father keeps the Son from getting stronger. The Daughter represents life’s untainted purity.

@gildor8866

15 күн бұрын

But then they should Not be Talking about Balance but purity. So this is Not the way people See it in the sw Universe IMHO

@cloudnimble

15 күн бұрын

​@@alexdeghost2729 It took the father and the daughter to keep the son from being consumed by his darkness. 2 on 1 doesnt sound very balanced. They aren't "literal" gods.

Another line of note from TPM that I think fits your thoughts here is stated when they are going back to Naboo. Qui-Gon and Obi-wan are sharing their concerns for the wisdom of Queen’s return and Qui-gon says to Obi-wan, “And we cannot use our powers to help her.”

Have an amazing Mother’s Day you two!

4:35 Thor, as expected, nails this whole topic. I think once you get to this point in the "selfless spectrum," you can no longer consider yourself compassionate. Ironically, you become the very thing you were trying to avoid or not become.

Hey Thor I like the Sunday discussions so keep them coming. Respectfully,I have to disagree with your take on being too selfless,just on the basic premise that no human being has ever presented that kind of behavior throughout our history. I will agree that being too selfless,depending on the context of ones selfless act,can lead them to be taken advantage of others due to their naevity of the individuals true intentions. As far as balance in SW,I do not believe the Jedi were too selfless in their actions or were too involved in others disputes,as they in essence,follow the will of the Force. Their issue was indeed however, following the will of the Republic they chose to serve,which happened to be corrupted by their greatest adversary,so the Jedis core issue was that of balancing the will of both the force & the Republic,having their cake and eat it too if you will. Selflessness at the core of its meaning,is one of sacrifice,which is also the definition of true love. To give a man a fish is just charity at base. To teach him how to fish is simply passing down knowledge. But Selflessness is throwing yourself in front of the fish to save the man,and this act albeit inherent in the human being,it is the least utilized action when it comes to mankind on a whole in every event of our history,therefore given our nature,the idea of being too selfless is near impossible.

St. Martin gave half his cloak to a beggar. He didnt give his entire cloak, nor the other half to another beggar, because then he himself would have died. One could say he choose to live himself rather then letting someone else live. That too is Balance.

1:37 sometimes when you spend so much time helping others you don't take the time to help yourself

I always look forward to your perspective and willingness to look at both sides of things. You encourage people to broaden their own considerations, and I thank you for another great question. Please do continue with this content... at least for as long as it interests you. Cheers!

@jacksparrow9227

15 күн бұрын

I'm not so sure of that, with his insistence that it isn't balance to be both Light and Dark calling us crazy to think that

@TheLongestYoutubeHandleEverrrr

15 күн бұрын

@@jacksparrow9227 It isn't balance to be both Light and Dark. Judging by your other comments, you're thinking of the wrong definition of "balance." The Balance of the Force isn't a "tip the scales until they're equal" type of balance, it's a "everything is working together in harmony" type of balance. Like a "balanced diet" isn't equal parts healthy food and junk food, it's just healthy food.

@thorskywalker

15 күн бұрын

@jacksparrow9227 But it is crazy to think balance requires darkness/evil. There is never a need for true evil; for people doing bad things to others. And there is a big, big difference between evil and natural hardships which are a part of life and often make us stronger.

There is no ‘Light Side’ in Star Wars. There is the Force, and then there is the Dark Side of the Force. One is the prosperity of life, the other is the corruption and perversion of life. So no, there can’t be too much light, because that would be denying life’s true form.

@Uttecht1990

15 күн бұрын

That's exactly how the force works well said

@Nartanek

15 күн бұрын

Yeah, i'm tired of those saying 'you need to balance the light and the dark'. No, the dark is evil, the light is good. Balance is the light side.

@teleportedbreadfor3days

15 күн бұрын

@@Nartanek I mean with the amount of times the term ‘Light Side’ has been used, I don’t really blame people for mistaking it. Some things aren’t spelt out outright and they don’t always have to be. In media and some old cultures, a balance between light and darkness is often a thing. Light casts shadows, after all. But to put it very basically, that’s not how Star Wars does it

@saberiandream316

15 күн бұрын

And yet George calls it "the light side" too, lol.

@teleportedbreadfor3days

15 күн бұрын

@@saberiandream316 That’s probably where people get it from, or Legends. I think George just has a thing where he tends to use looser terminology when describing his visions for Star Wars and its aspects/concepts. This is the same guy who also used the term ‘laser sword’ while talking about the Lightsaber.

I really liked that! It really puts the quote: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" into perspective

That was a nice catch with the line of 'jedi forcing a treaty'. Hadn't thought of them like that before.

@jacobdavis6916

14 күн бұрын

Be careful how much you read into that. Nemoidians are cowards (Qui-gon not known for his mincing of words) and paranoid to a fault. Being members of the Republic, they would know that Jedi are very well respected arbiters of disagreements and that they wouldn't leave without a resolution. A resolution doesn't always means that one side wins or gets everything they want; it means an end to the problem. If you'll remember, Sidious was relying on them to make sure that problem stayed in existence; he doesn't seem like a guy that takes failure too well. So, on the one hand, you have the Jedi with their big book o Rules there to say "lets solve this problem this week". Belligerence in the face of the rules could make the blockade illegal and they would be forced to leave (by warship if necessary, but that would be down to the Senate and the Republic Navy). On the other hand, you have a Sith lord who has hired you through payments and fear and maybe a dash of influence telling them to keep that blockade in position at all costs. A Sith lord who'd probably have very few qualms about killing a bunch of Nemoidians because they failed (or, you know, he got bored). So, "Forceing a settlement", in this context, means "let's come to an agreement that both parties can abide by and honor". Not, "if they won't leave, break the little one's neck with your mind" (that's what Sidious would do if they did leave).

@emberfist8347

13 күн бұрын

@@jacobdavis6916I feel that is a problem with fans reading too much into Yoda admiring an increasing amount of Jedi are being arrogant implied to reflect Anakin and his generation to reflect the entire order or taking a throw-away suggestion the prophecy was misread to suggest balance is equal dark and light.

1:45 The downfall of the Jedi wasn't that they were being too proactive, but rather that they weren't proactive, they just acted as senate stooges

Aristotle writes at length on ethical virtue and its extremes. He describes it not in terms of polar opposite sides, but more about deficiency vs excess. You either have 'it'' in sufficient quantity or you don't. This fits onto Star Wars better if we consider it’s the darkness that lacks light (not the other way around). Balance is found not by teetering over opposite sides but by having just the right amount. Yes, excessive virtue is possible but it's more like how a skilled craftsman must balance time, materials, and effort with results. The virtuosity is in achieving a ''hexis''(Jedi path?) that limits excess and deficiency. To be effectively courageous for instance a person must choose the battles worth fighting. Too much goodness might be trust giving way to naivety and an unprepared preventable disaster; and that's not good at all.

@thehaloeffect1889

15 күн бұрын

I love Aristotle this is how I understood things as well. I think George intuitively understood this and therefore didn’t necessarily explain things too accurately with the force metaphor but I think that is what he was going for.

@stevena.7022

15 күн бұрын

@@thehaloeffect1889 How deep into the Disney/Lucas executive decision making ranks would we get before we find a person who's read the Cliff Notes on Nicomachean Ethics?

I tend to think of the Force as a lake. It should be still and calm... balanced. The Dark Side is a ripple in that lake. A disruption that doesnt belong

The question of balance is interesting. Pure balance between light and dark wouldn’t actually be good since it’d just mean constant conflict between two evenly matched sides. But extremes have their costs too. The light dominating made the prequel Jedi arrogant and comfortable. While the dark side dominating would hardly be good for everyone. So I think balance itself is less key than just avoiding too much imbalance.

Speaking as someone who is neurodivergent and thus thinks vastly different than normal people, I personally wouldn’t mind being taken care of for my whole life. That’s already how I’ve lived up until now. While I am self-sufficient to an extent, I simply do not have that drive be independent that a lot of people do, and am instead content to live in my own little slice of the world. I already am able to do most of the things I want out if my peaceful life while still helping out where I can. As to how this relates to Star Wars, I think it seems to be less about if there can be too much peace and prosperity, and more about what the ramifications could be for some people’s internal needs for growth or freedom, ones that I either do not have or simply have to either a much lesser or significantly different capacity. As Thor says in the video, I’m sure most people (or at least a large portion) wish to be independent, and I’m happy for those that are able to be. However, due to my disability and different brain patterns, I am definitely within the small group of those who would enjoy having my basic needs covered while still being able to contribute to the world in my own way. While I may feel differently, I’m grateful for the return of these Sunday commentaries and appreciate Thor’s perspective as always. May the Force be with you all.

It's good to see this video come out. I realize everybody is uncomfortable with The Acolyte kind of throwing a lot of stuff out there that paints the Jedi in a pretty bad light n all, but I've always acknowledged that *too* much selflessness IRL is kind of a problem for people as much as selfishness. You have to remain balanced, and not go overboard in either direction. I think we'll be seeing some of that in the Acolyte. Maybe there are some in the High Republic with no regard to for their own lives as Jedi, and that mixed with a proactive role in the galaxy makes them... less desirable, in some of the wider galaxy's eyes.

Thor, your words about the Force and the light side in real world situations contain a lot of wisdom. Ask any family or friend of an addict. The hard truth to learn is that you cannot MAKE anyone else do anything that they don't want to do, even when it's out of compassion and with clear evidence that what they're doing is harmful. The only person you can have any hope of forcefully changing in this life is yourself. Love your videos, look forward to more SW stories from you.

Hey Thor, Just wanted to say these Sunday conversations are my favorite content you put out. Totally agree that rewatching phantom menace in theaters had me considering the Nemoidians more than I ever have before. This topic in particular really makes me think of that Kreia scene on Nar Shadaa in KotOR 2. Essentially you have the option to give a beggar a few credits. If you do - he is mugged for them and dies in some back alley. Kreia reprimands you saying that every action, big or small, has a consequence, some of which are unintended. It raises a very complicated issue that acts of kindness don't always have kind outcomes. Really great stuff to ponder here as I start my week. Striving to become a more balanced person!

It depends on your interpretation of compassion. Compassion is often defined by dictionaries as the intention and action to alleviate the suffering of others. Encouraging self-reliance is not necessary anti-compassion as such, as one can argue that the best method of alleviating someone's suffering involves both addressing immediate concerns as well as looking for sustainable, long-term solutions such as teaching other people to help themselves and solve their own problems in times when there are not third parties to rely on. For example: Is a parent that doesn't teach their children to take care of themselves, but instead takes care of everything for them, more compassionate? I think most people would say no, because that style of parenting in the end causes more suffering to their children as they are not are prepared for the real world and adulthood. A real compassionate parent knows the value of teaching their children the value of responsibility and independence, as well as the value of knowing when to seek help. That is what differentiates true compassion from a delusional one.

Helicopter Parenting is an example of how too much "good" isn't always good. Sure, you are trying to protect them and provide for them, but that doesn't mean its a good thing. If you provide a child with everything, they will never learn to provide for themselves. If you never let a child trip and bump their knee, they'll never learn to watch where they step.

My understanding was that in Star Wars, the dark side was inherently an imbalance. And the only reason I think we use the term light side was more or less to distinguish abilities not related to the dark side as "the force" sounds like you're speaking about it in a general sense.

You just summed up a lot of what's wrong in our world right now, and also the concept of enlightened self-interest: to be of service to others, you must first take care of yourself (put on the mask yourself first). This can be mental, physical, financial or anything really.

Hey Thor. Nice video covering a topic that a few Star Wars fans have questioned. While I agree with you on most of it, I have my own thoughts. I've understood that balance is just the Force, and imbalance is the dark side - selfless and selfish. The idea that there could be too much selflessness or light doesn't sound right to me for the reason that the hyperselflessness could be/is actually altruism, where a person or people do give everything to a point of personal loss. Altruism and selflessness aren't exactly the same thing. Selflessly taking care of a relative or others is good, but that person needs to take care of themselves also (showering, eating, sleeping, etc) in order to be able to care for others. Selflessness recognizes that the self matters and should be cared for. It's not selfish to take care of yourself. An altruistic person will abandon all self care and connection in order to care for others. The Jedi don't form romantic connections, but they still have connection through friends and the order. Their selflessness allows them to still form connection, eat, and care for themselves which allows them to care for others. Altrustic Jedi wouldn't do any of that; no connection, no eating, no self care. It's not selfish to take care of yourself, in fact it's actually what all people should do in order to care for others

Hey Thor, This is an idea that’s somewhat large in KOTOR 2. Kreia constantly tells the exile showing compassion will weaken the other person, bringing more overall harm to them. There’s a cutscene on Nar Shadaa that demonstrates this quite well where if you give a homeless man money, he will thank you then run off and get brutally assaulted by thugs who take his money and possibly his life. Of course Kreia is Darth Traya and is evil not wanting any compassion but she does have good points on the topic throughout the game.

Love the Sunday conversations (I enjoy them all though), love the real-world intersections, keep up the great work! 🤘🤘

Being so completely selfless to the point of it harming your quality of life/health etc etc is an extreme that one rarely sees to ever be a genuine problem Selfishness means thinking only about things that benefit you beyond what is required to maintain a minimum and acceptable level of self-preservation/upkeep to live and be content so that you are able to help others when you can. It is not in human nature in the real world to ever be so selfless to the point of extreme detriment to one's health outside of mental disorder... is why it's not talked about as a philosophy I guess

I see how serving oneself can be a necessity. The intentions matter a lot in this scenario. We all have responsibilities. Wanting to make a lot of money sounds greedy at first, but I think everyone should want to build up their own skills, wealth, or knowledge so they can fulfill their responsibilities, even if it is low stakes like simply not relying on my parents or paying off my own student debt. Rather than doing it just to feel good about ourselves. Or in the case of a Jedi seek responsibility then acquire power to make that easier.

The saying about helping those who help themselves comes to mind here. It is very selfless to help other people but I would say it is not selfless to do so to the extent that they don't develop their own abilities. There are exceptions of course; some people do have handicaps that greatly limit what they can do for themselves and infants and small children require constant care. Of course, the objective of any parent should be to help their children grow up to be capable adults who can take care of themselves and make a positive contribution to society.

Your discussion about the real world reminds me a lot of that famous Kreia dialogue about charity on Nar Shaddaa in KOTOR II:TSL

I very much appreciate these videos and would love to see more. Relating the moral questions and teachings of Star Wars to real life is something I think about all the time, so hearing someone else’s thoughts on these kind of topics is really nice and probably the biggest reason I subbed in the first place. It reminds me I’m not entirely crazy for relating life to some space fantasy films lol

Reminds me of what someone said about evil really being corrupted good.

A few random, related thoughts: Compassion for all living things includes compassion for one’s self, which is why it is not virtuous to allow others to take advantage of you to your detriment. Being “nice” and being “kind” are different; similar to the fishing aphorism, it is sometimes necessary to deny people what they want in order to help them. Finally, dating myself here, the plot of the video game Ultima 5 was that an evil king had corrupted the kingdom’s code of virtue, making the virtues into mandates and enslaving and punishing the population in the name of enforcing them.

Two things: first I think the bigger problem was not that the Jedi became to proactive but that they went where the Republic (or rather the Senators) send them instead of where the Force wanted them to be. Second I think that too much ligth would mean peace and tranquility at the cost of stagnation and phlegmatism, which in turn would allow the Darkside to grow again.

@thorskywalker

15 күн бұрын

But the Jedi doing what (or going where) the Republic wants them, instead of where the Force directs them, is them being too proactive. It is them getting involved with thins they shouldn't. I really feel like those two things go hand in hand.

@markusbarten455

15 күн бұрын

@@thorskywalker I think the problem is that we use different definitions of what "proactive" means. I mean they get things done, but only "what" and "when" the Republic tells them to, which is still passively following order in a way (which is probably how they fell in that mental trap in the first place).

@emberfist8347

13 күн бұрын

@@thorskywalkerThat sounds bad in my book. Jedi not involved in a situation where they can prevent suffering is terrible.

As a person with a disability myself, I actually agree with most of what you have to say here. I mean, I recognize that I have limitations that other people do not have. However, the last thing I want is to be burdensome to other people.

Selfishness is instinctual for humans and in the SW universe, I would imagine it would fall the same for other races. Even a little baby will learn this, and it goes beyond basic needs. All people also have an instinct for right and wrong. Take a toy away from any child, anywhere in the world, and they are going to feel cheated, that they were wronged, and be upset and mad. Very few are going to think 'Oh, that's alright, I accept something I loved being taken away from me and I'm at peace about that.'. So there is a hard-wired sense of something called right and wrong in everyone, and various cultures and religions define this in sometimes vastly different ways. But the core of it is there in all people, just like there is a selfish core in all people. Selfishness or Selflessness are not, in themselves, the defining characteristics of 'Light side' and 'Dark side' (though there really isn't a 'Light Side of the Force') or Good and Evil. A radical terrorist can selflessly sacrifice himself by strapping a bomb to himself and blowing up a Preschool or hijacking airplanes and crashing them into skyscrapers while they were on board. You can have evil selflessness. Pure communism is supposed to put the needs of the state over the needs of the one. But if you look closely, even supposed selfless people have motivations that inspire them. A terrorist might believe in rewards in the afterlife for sacrificing themselves. A pure communist (and there are no pure communists in any communist state in our world, it is an unobtainable philosophical/political state) may feel satisfaction in not seeing anyone wealthier or poorer than they are. There is always something in it for even the most selfless person, if that reward is only satisfaction of mind that they are 'doing the right thing'. In the SW universe, a pure 'light side' universe would merely be a universe where everyone is living in harmony with the Force and that harmony would not be a state of complete selflessness but harmony would be a state where people didn't try to hurt, harm or take advantage of each other, but living in tune with the Force. Qui Gon's mindset seems about right, for a Jedi. There has never been a country or state, or even religion, where everyone was living in a perfectly good state. Never. It is impossible for humans (and likely other races in the galaxy) to live perfectly 'in the Light'. Compassion is not selflessness and selflessness is an impossible state; I would argue that fully balanced with the Force (or if you prefer 'The Light Side') is not a state of perfect compassion or selflessness but being aware of the situation and condition that is best for either the galaxy, a planet or group of people, or an individual in a specific situation. Sometimes what is good for the galaxy might be bad for a group of people, but it isn't too difficult to know what course of action is best to take. Certainly there could be difficult situations, but I suspect those in harmony with the Force would do their honest best to do the 'right thing' for the greatest number of people when possible.

and that’s the Jedi’s fault,if anything beyond the evil doings of the sith I perceive the sith as being necessary to keep in check the Jedi’s “good intentions”. Keep them coming great vid!

For me, the confusion often arises due to the similarity the force has to yin-yang. Where balance is between the two. Light/dark, male/female, order/chaos. But just because Lucas drew on some Eastern ideas it does not mean they fully align, which they do not at all. So the whole Gray Jedi idea in the way most describe it doesn't fit. Being light side is more about assubmitting your will to the will of the force like Qui-Gon. There is no balance of the two, as the dark side is about bending the force to your own selfish will.

“Why did you do such a thing? Such kindnesses will mean nothing, his path is set. Giving him what he has not earned is like pouring sand into his hands. And would that be a kindness? What if by surviving another day, he brings a greater darkness upon another? The Force binds all things. The slightest push, the smallest touch, sends echoes throughout life. Even an act of kindness may have more severe repercussions than you know or can see. By giving him something he has not earned, perhaps all you have helped him become is a target. Seeing another elevated often brings the eyes of others who suffer. And perhaps in the end, all you have wrought is more pain. And that is my lesson to you. Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clenched fist.” - Kreia

I don’t think it’s a matter of too much Lightside, but rather listening to the Force for guidance vs just following the rules and orders.

The thing is, the Jedi lost perspective on what they were supposed to be doing and they were servants of the light. Yes, the dark side clouds everything, but the Jedi didn’t stop to ask themselves why. They weren’t willing to think outside the box or at the very least take on the perspective that Qui-Gon did. The Jedi’s complacency and hubris didn’t do them any favors.

Thor, I think it wasn't that the Jedi were too proactive when it came to the galaxy. I think they were too content in actively treating the symptoms of the ailing Republic rather than trying to dig deeper into the issues and solve them at their root (being too afraid of stepping on toes so to speak). There's a story I remember from a religion class I took where a village by a river found that babies began to appear in it floating down from upstream and the village constantly tries to save as many as they can, but each day, the number of babies increases, with the town prioritizing saving as many of the babies as possible rather than sending a group upstream. The Jedi are basically the villagers, saving many, but not taking the extra step to solve the problem. There's also the fact that they don't really attempt to move against the larger evils such as the Hutts remember how in TPM, Anakin thinks a Jedi would come to Tatooine to free the slaves. And this was something we know used to be a more common occurrence when the Order was less tied to the Republic. But as they tied themselves to the Republic, they became focused solely on the problems of the Republic to the exclusion of those planets outside the Republic or on its fringes.

I think it can. Light and Dark might be interpretations of two schools from the same philosophy. Light being passive and Dark as active. Jedi saw the rise of darkness and the Sith but remained mostly passive. Yes, they fought in the clone wars but only after being pulled in by the Republic and Sith machinations. The Sith school with the Dark might have taken the other end to an extreme. Which lead to extremely selfish and often short sighted and destructive actions. Even Palpatines plan to take over the Republic from withing involved some long term strategies, but he blundered his victory. Promoting psychopaths to positions of power (Tarkin), refusing to see the bigger picture and wasting ressources on building a very flawed weapon system twice.

Hey Thor, I think your take on this is 100% a valid interpretation. In fact, this idea is heavily featured in KOTOR2, which is part of why I strongly recommend both games. One version I personally go with when it comes to the Light and Dark is the difference between collectivism and individualism. The Sith have a very Ayn Rand take on life in which not only should individual excellence be highlighted, but the most excellent individuals should reap the benefits of society at the expense of the masses. They take this to the fullest extreme by instituting fascist military police states in which everything exists for the benefit of one or two people, the Dark Lord/Emperor and their designated apprentice-successor at the time. This imbalance is the most in-your-face imbalance and there's no real nuance to it. It's why the Sith, as they have existed so far in Star Wars Lore, are the obviously evil faction. The Jedi and the Republic (a "Light Side civilization"), meanwhile, take an opposite approach in which individual excellence and individual rights matters less than the stability of the collective whole. Anakin excels in leadership of the Grand Army and defeats Dooku, the head of the opposing forces, and receives no substantive recognition. Dooku warns the Jedi repeatedly about becoming servants of the Senate and is paid no heed. Qui Gon brings the Chosen One and warnings of the return of the Sith to the Council and is disregarded until it's too late because 9 year old Anakin gives bad vibes and Qui Gon doesn't conform to the orthodoxy of the in-crowd (Yoda, Ki-Adi, Mace). Padawans like Ahsoka are used as child soldiers on the front line because the survival of the Jedi and the Republic is more important than the individual lives and sanity of those children. Slavery is illegal in the Republic, but the Republic doesn't care about individual slaves like Anakin and Shmi in Hutt Space nor those in debt-traps who are perpetually employed to megacorps like the Trade Federation to work off their debt with no hope of doing so in their life time. This imbalance is a little more subtle but is present in the details and nuances of the lore, and is just as key to Anakin's fall as his fear of Padme dying in childbirth. The latter imbalance is specifically why I've said in other comments that I would not want to be a Jedi. In my own IRL existence, I pursue selflessness as much as I can without jeopardizing my well being because it feels right to be helpful to others and awful to exploit others for my own advancement. But I don't like being treated as a disposable pawn nor do I like my advancement being dependent on my popularity or lack thereof with the in-crowd. At the very least, if I had to be a Jedi, I want to be part of EU Luke's NJO, where you can just be yourself while doing the right thing.

Uncle George was into Orientalism, so you have to conceptualize The Force properly to understand his Eastern-influenced ideas. It essentially comes down to what the I Ching defines as the Creative and the Receptive, the two metaphysical forces that form the foundation of everything. Both are equal in their importance, but the Receptive's proper position is essentially subservient to the Creative. When the Receptive attempts to control or even hold itself level with the Creative, then the result can only be evil. So the same way Daoism teaches us (the Receptive) to humble ourselves before the power of Heaven (the Creative), Star Wars teaches us (the Receptive) to humble ourselves before the power of The Force (the Creative). When we try to make The Force serve us, instead of us serving The Force, we cause an imbalance and create evil. Make sense?

Perfection, good analysis!

Quite an interesting video, and an example of why I love your channel.

The Force doesn't believe in Light or Dark. (Like Kyle Katarn) Just balance.

For whatever reason, after watching this, I thought... "What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger." Which then made me think (or perhaps realize) that the adversity that the Dark Side/Sith thrusts upon the everyone else and 'Forces' them to rise to the occasion, is maybe the only? good thing about the Sith/Dark Side...??

@thorskywalker

15 күн бұрын

Well, do keep in mind that adversity can come in all forms, it doesn't just have to be the result of someone doing bad/evil things. There are natural disasters, for example, that (though seem evil) are indeed just acts of nature and can certainly (as you say) qualify as something that "doesn't kill us yet makes us stronger." And I think that's what a lot of people forget when they suggest you need evil, that hardships come in all forms and it's not always the result of evil actions.

Hey Thor, Can you please explain how the force was thrown out of balance from episode 1 and brought back by episode 6? Can you also explain whether or not battles between people are won before they are fought? Meaning, the force already knows who is going to win, or is this way of thinking wrong? If the answer to above is yes, then did the force want Qui Gon to lose for vader to be born and bring balance through destroying both the Jedi and the sith?

@morningtalkmotivation7986

13 күн бұрын

also: was anakin not justified to kill the tusken raiders?

You talked about being too selfless. I don’t agree with your conclusion although I understand your perspective. I don’t believe that taking care of yourself is selfish. I have 3 children and a 4th on the way. Taking care of myself physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually isn’t selfish when it allows me to care of my children.

@stevena.7022

15 күн бұрын

Selfish genes want to replicate. Your seed. Your legacy. Family is an extension of self.

If u think about light side as "selfless" and dark side as "selfish" it makes sense to need an literal balance, as it would be detrimental to you if you gave beyond your means (physically or emotionally), but I think the point still stands that balances will never manifest itself in there being Sith Lords (or criminals or dictators) around who are needlessly selfish. I think that in this case the light side provides the possibility for the minimum selfishness needed to maintain a society where everyone has what they need and is happy, but no more than that. Additionally I think it's worth noting that a small amount of dark side, while not necessarily in line with the balance of the universe, is not the end of the world. No one is perfect, so some more selfishness that is absolutely necessary is expected and can be forgiven or just ignored because we all have our moments. Perhaps it's selfish or wasteful to indulge ourselves in say a pedicure when that money could go to charity but a small amount of selfishness every once in a while does not mean you are a full on dark sider. I think balance remains all light side, as we should strive to take any more than we need from society, but also a little bit of dark side selfishness won't completely destroy society and bring everything to imbalance.

Thanks for a good video

《EVE~AHH!!!》 ...i Thoroughly enjoy your Thoughts & i'm Definitely interested in these Videos!!! ...i think "Balance" is a Good Word to use when Describing "The Individual"...? ...i Agree, we need to be Selfish (up to a point) just to Survive, but The Way of The Jedi is (Understanding where that point is &) Knowing how & when to be Selfless...? ...(i thought about your last video while i was Driving)... ...an Equal Number of "Considerate Drivers" & "Inconsiderate Drivers" would not be "Balance"... ...i think "Harmony" is a Good Word to use when Describing "The Force"...? ...We are The Cars, The Vehicles...? ...& "The Whills" are The Drivers...? ..."The Midi-Chlorians" are The Roads...? ...& "The Force" is The Traffic...? ..."Harmony" is when Everybody is Following the Flow of Traffic & Obeying the Rules of the Road, & Yielding to Others... ...People with Road Rage are like "The Sith", they make Selfish Decisions that May Lead to an Accident &/or Death...? ...& The Police are like The "Jedi", they Risk their own Safety by trying to Put a Stop to the Recklessness of "The Sith"...? ...Maybe a Sith gets in a Life-Changing Car Accident & Decides to become a Jedi...? ...Maybe a Jedi Abuses his Power & Decides to become a Sith...? ...i think "Balance in The Force" is not just about "How you Use it", but being Mindful of How "the Consequences of your Actions" Affect Other People...? ...i think there are far, far too many Different Definitions for "Balance" so it's Understandable why this is Debated...? ...but i think Thor's Take Alligns with what Uncle George was trying to Teach us!!! ..."Normal People" think about this stuff while they're filling-up with "Crude Matter" at SPEEDWAY, right...? 👽 🖖 🤖 《May the Flow of Traffic be With you》

No,"Giving/Compassion" in the extreme sense you describe isn't selflessness, it's a different type of selfishness. I recommend reading the Dahlia Lama. The Force, the Light side is like a healthy ecosystem, a pristine lake.. the dark side is a contaminant like toxic waste, it doesn't balance it destroys.

Can there ever be too much peace and harmony?

@GreaterGrievobeast55

15 күн бұрын

*grabs greatsword* yes

Very good video.

Balance requires two things to have a middle ground, otherwise there is just one thing, in this case the Light

When the selfless become selfish. When the hero is seen as the villain.

the Force creates animals that must kill to eat. an animal that overkills beyond it's need for food imperils not just itself's meal down-the-road but all of it's kind in the area. showing "simple" compassion to such an overkiller only extends the imbalance. the force's basic way of dealing with such a situation as an overkilling predator, is an eventual population crash of the prey, that is then reflected as a population crash among the predators. the force isn't always "nice" - it's going to promote situations that lead to proliferation of life and maximizes choices for that life to make

The council's issue was not being 'too light'. They're issue is they strayed from the will of the force focusing too much on politics and following the will of the Senate instead of the force. Also....didn't help they had their temple on top of a Sith temple. Not really the best placement.

Hey Thor, last 2 video made me think... Is there a light side of the force ? Is the dark side the only side when a force user use the force ? Perfect balance is when someone follow the will of the force. But each time a jedi (even qui gon) use the force, even to make what we would say is good, is it actually good ? Or is it against the will and so is a dark use of the force ? In short, is there only shade of dark/grey when talking about the force ?

@TheLongestYoutubeHandleEverrrr

15 күн бұрын

Not quite.... I'd say it's better not to think of a "light-side/dark-side" dichotomy to the Force. Rather, there is "The Force", and all its powers, abilities, and so on are contained therein. Then there is a subset of those powers and abilities we label the "Dark Side" because those powers and abilities would only be used by selfish people to perform evil acts. For a use of the Force to be "good", it has to be in accordance with the will of the Force. If a Jedi uses the Force in this way, it can be considered a "good" use of the Force. Basically, a "good" use of the Force occurs when the Force-user lets the Force flow through them to do something the Force wants. A "Dark Side" use occurs when a Force-user twists and coerces the Force to do something the Force-user wants. A Jedi is (more or less) controlled by the Force, a Sith controls the Force.

Let’s take for example Luke trying to save Anakin in Return of the Jedi and escaping him from Death Star. Was that act of Luke as selfless act, compassion act towards all Darth Vader”s victims. No it was more likely a selfish act son trying to save his father, who committed crimes against all lives and part of the greatest suffering in the whole universe.

The dark side represents the more negative aspects of life, such as selfishness, anger, and death. And while these things are necessary to an extent, they are naturally heavier in the scales of balance. Death, especially, if not embraced to an extreme, is a natural part of life. Therefore, balance is not the complete absence of the dark side. It is much more of the light, with only a little bit of dark.

This video is like a Platonic dialogue (and it's a compliment of course)

I've always saw Star Wars having that unbalance can both ways concept after watching the original and prequel trilogies.

@emberfist8347

15 күн бұрын

I never did. Because it doesn’t match the Eastern philosophy that inspired George where Evil is imbalance. The misconception people have is that Yin and Yang is good and evil but they are really male and female and evil doesn’t factor into it.

Loving is simultaenously loving yourself and others. How could a parent grow a child without taking care of him/herself; the kid cannot be without his parent, right? The kin learns how to treat itself by example. There must be an exception to almost any rule, but giving away your only food only to satisfy others is unacceptable because it's self-harming, if that food is not going to save a life of other in some extreme instance. People would not take the food if they know what's the situation. I think common sense needs to be applied to define what is love in practical sense and by this I would say there cannot be too much love/light. If you have the power to do good without burning yourself, by all means do it, which the jedi embody in their fictional universe; they are fighting monks though, who are just, but such in real life are not the first thing to be labeled as the most loving kind perhaps (today such people might not exist, dunno). In reality, we often embody harmful behavior on ourselves and others, like drinking and smoking as a common example, but such is likely about lack of complete comprehension rather than hating oneself? I think everyone would like to be as good example as possible, but it's not that easy, we need to mature, just like the jedi mature and they are not all equal in their progress or rank.

Seems simple to me... one meaning of balance in equality. Thats what people go on about when they say the Dark Side is needed for balance. But another meaning of balance, particularly in eastern cultures, like the Samurai that Jedi are based on, is being at peace. If an acrobat or gymnast loses balance, they fall and fail. You wouldnt say a gymnast should be half falling at all times to be considered balanced

I think you’re off base here. Which surprises me because of how accurately you have dealt with the nature of the force, and the differences between the Jedi & Sith. The thing that you’re missing here is that it’s not a matter of an isolated individual being selfless. It’s always a group or order of selfless people banding together for the greater good. So you should look into the lives and duties of monks. Or better yet take the warrior monks of the middle ages. The historical Knight Templars are a good example of this. Individually they take on a vow of chastity and poverty. But (like Jedi) the order provides them with all they need. The order of the Knight Templars itself became wealthy, because they were well positioned to perform international banking. (This led to Friday the 13th in October of 1307 as being their version of Order 66.) Please keep to historically accurate information versus the likes of “The Kingdom of Heaven” movie which just plugged the Tempars into the proverbial ‘bad guy’ role. (Shades of “The Acolyte” perhaps?) They also took a vow of obedience: "Being a Knight Templar meant living by the Rule and following God's orders first and the Commanders second. It also meant dedicating their lives to spreading the word of God and helping the unfortunate."

@thorskywalker

15 күн бұрын

I'm going to be honest, I have no idea what part of what I said you're even arguing against. My point is simply that when you try to take care of everything for somebody (or many people) you risk creating people who do not know how to take care of themselves, have no self worth, and even feel entitled. A good example of what I'm talking about is "helicopter parents" who do everything for their children and never discipline them. They tend not to become well adjusted adults.

@JimTempleman

15 күн бұрын

@@thorskywalker The topic of your video was: Can you go too far to the light side, can you be too selfless? Is it possible to do or give too much to others? There are two sides to this: (1) From the doer’s perspective (the Jedi’s) perspective, the question is can you give too much to others? I don’t think so. Of course you must keep enough for yourself to be able to continuing to do good for other’s tomorrow. Neither Jesus or Buddha gave all of their food away to others, to the point of starvation. But my point is that you need to look at this, not from the individual doer’s viewpoint, but from the perspective of an organized group of ‘doers’ that support each other, as well as helping outsiders. (2) From the receiver’s side: Sure if you do too much for somebody, they might lose all of their initiative. But there are a lot of receivers out there, so all the doer’s need to do is spread around their generosity. If the doer’s want to help others, they will not over indulge them. They will not act like helicopter parents, because that is harmful. The ‘doers’ must be wise or enlightened. The Jedi are that way when they listen to the Force (like Qui-Gon). They are unwise when they merely do the Republic’s bidding. When I heard Rune Haako say “the Jedi are here to Force a settlement”: My impression was that he did not want a fair arbitrator interfering with the shady deal he was about to impose on a weaker party. Acting as an unbiased ‘diplomat’ seems like a reasonable duty for Jedi. You are assuming that Rune Haako is dealing fairly, and that the Jedi are there to impose the will of The Republic on his business agreement. I don’t see that assumption as being fair to the Jedi. I’ve always seen the Jedi as following a code similar to Taoism, which says Chapter 30: Whenever you advise a ruler in the way of Tao, Counsel him not to use force to conquer the universe. For this would only cause resistance. Thorn bushes spring up wherever the army has passed. Lean years follow in the wake of a great war. Just do what needs to be done. Never take advantage of power P.S. I love how you subtly pointed out that Darth Vader was really Anakin after he had become disabled!

Ultimately too much light would lead to imbalance which would inevitably bring the dark out, I think thats what george is trying to say. The Jedi being too selfless and helpful would eventually cause that if they did too much

I think there isn't such thing as "too much light," rather acting as the dark side do while thinking you're acting in the interest of the light

Seems pretty clear. If destroying the Sith was supposed to bring balance, then evil is not supposed to have it's equal place next to good. Besides, that would undermine George's message. One of his main lessons in Star Wars is to teach people to be good and not bad. Not that having equal amounts of good and evil in us or even in the world is ideal.

Anyone who played KOTOR knows there's drawbacks to being entirely selfless and too kind. 😂 Being selfless doesnt eliminate the consequences to choices made. Using judgement at all times is paramount to maintaining balance. Hence why I keep hammering (punt intended, Thor) the balance is not as much about selfless v selfish but more about being mindful (or not) about the outcome of our choices. Self-awareness more so. Sentience. You could be selfish in a case where negative consequences to others are minimal but it's a great positive to yourself. Just like you could be selfless and always give but it leads to people being so dependant to your grace that it's actually an issue for them in the long run. Because there's finite energy you can just give out to the unlimited people seeking your benevolence or contribution to stuff. Like usual, a modern example: There's only so much the government can levy in taxes to "provide services" for the needy until most people begin to struggle feeding or housing themselves without needing a handout from the government who took money from them with that promise of taking good care of everyone. Such a system, even if there was no loss (that's actually far from it), would be rather pointless because not every person has the exact same needs everywhere everyday. It's a system that cannot get balanced as long as human diversity exists. Hence why communism is exceptional on paper but can never be implemented with breathing human beings involved. 🤷‍♂️ And it still doesnt compute in my head why the same crowd fighting for diversity also supports communism 😂

I think any organised group ruling for too long is bad. And this group were doing some questionable things as policy, namely deciding that 9 is too old to be trained to be a soldier for their particular cause.

I believe the Jedi assumed the Senate was always right

Median ethics hinge on the idea of the median being inherently good and as such a maximizable virtue. Case in point: Aristotle in Nicomachean Ethics (ie the big book of western median ethics which's misapplication at least some of the Grey probably is) starts from the assumption that good as maximizable virtue exists, and formulated the idea of the "golden mean" (ie median as maimizable virtua) by extrapolating upon the qualities of good. Otherwise the median would have to be balance by something else, and the median of balance and that something else around something else, and so on. Without the maximizable vitrue median ethics are fractal and as such meaningless. The mistake many make is the asssumption that Light and Dark Side are median virtues without considering the Balance is *of the Force* the all-connecting energyfield, and as such the vicarious excess is in promoting parts of it over others, usually the darksider (or someone behaving like one) for their own selfish benefit.

I'm surprised that Thor didn't mention the Daughter in the Mortis arc. She claims to be selfless but is she really? Without the Father keeping her and the Son in check, would she be willing to kill her brother in order to bring peace to the galaxy or simply not because she doesn't want to be as bad as him by killing him instead redeeming him? The problem is her selfless might make her selfish despite being the literal embodiment of the light side. Both the Son and Daughter are in constant conflict with each other but I don't think they are trying to kill each other since they're family. I might be wrong but I believe the Daughter doesn't want to her brother despite how much good it will bring nor will she sit back and watch the galaxy burn while her brother reveals in it.

There is no morality beat where you’re supposed to take away some aspect of too much light or the Jedi are doing too much good. Keep in mind that while I love George, George is a boomer or even slightly older and he believes in the democratic institutions more than any other generation. He is making believable villains but it’s not a takeaway of too much light or too much good. The namoidians are also the corporations, the trade federation. The common thread throughout the prequels is Palpatine is affecting everything with propaganda and controlling both sides and even being a fricking Sith Lord affecting everyone around him making everyone selfish. When the Jedi say the dark Side is spreading or whatever it’s a statement about the environment not just the sith. On George saying balance between light and dark, Yoda’s dark side arc in the clone wars is the best example of what he means. Yoda doesn’t kill, deny, or ignore that part of him, he confronts it and then finally it dissipates. He faces it head on. Since George is something akin to a “Buddhist Methodist” he believes we all have good and evil within us and you cannot eliminate evil within you. You can control it. You can live with and minimize it. There are doubtless bad things everyone does even the Jedi bc nobody is sinless but how you move past it grow from it and handle it is what matters. All Jedi, and all people, are tempted by the dark side. It is Anakin’s story first and foremost so anyone else showing their path is interesting and helpful for understanding but you’re also not supposed to look too deep into others decisions and choices. It’s a space opera and it’s the story of one persons rise downfall and redemption. We don’t analyze everyone else’s choices in Macbeth; it’s his story

The problem is that Jedi of the Prequels weren’t following the will of the force

Now we’re getting too real and philosophical here Thor Skywalker. 🧐 Likewhatweneedinreallifeisacompletesystematicoverhaul

I think the prequels and Legends lore imply at least in Star Wars it's possible to be "too entrenched" so to speak, in light

@emberfist8347

15 күн бұрын

I think it doesn’t people ignore Anakin’s faults too much and pin all the blame on the Jedi who were using that worked in the remaining 99% of cases.

@saberiandream316

15 күн бұрын

Exactly.

If the jedi order hadn't strayed from the path of adhering strictly to the will of the force and ONLY the force, not the senate/chancellor, then no, I don't think that there is a point where the jedi throw the force out of balance. Yes, the force was out of balance due to the lurking presences of the sith pulling the strings behind the scenes, but it was also out of balance because the Jedi Council and the Order as a whole (yes, there were exceptions, such as Qui-Gon Jin) no longer served the will of the force and had become an enforcement arm of the republic. They were enforcing the will of the Republic on the galaxy in the same way the Sith enforce their own will on the galaxy. It's not a question of too much light, it's a question of who or what does the jedi order serve, and does that impede the will of the force. After all, even Yoda, the most powerful jedi of his era, couldn't see the machinations of the sith and resisted the induction of the chosen one into the order. Mace Windu, as cool and awesome as his character is, and Ki-Adi Mundi are perfect examples of jedi that are completely out of balance according to the will of the force. They were rigid and inflexible, unwilling to take a step back from strict adherence to the code and see the bigger picture of the will of the force unfolding right in front of them. Complete emotional detachment creates a situation where compassion and love are seen as weaknesses, and cold calculation is the only way forward. Yes, the jedi were unbalancing the force, but not by adhering to the light. They unbalanced it by placing their own will and the will of the chancellor and senate above the will of the force.

Certain point of view. The light and dark sides of the force are not inherently good or evil . It is all based on what happens from the actions used.

I disagree with Lucas. He wasn't the only writer for the Original Trilogy and he likely didn't have a complete concept of what the light and dark sides were until the prequels. Judging from the cave scene in Empire and the final duel in Jedi, my take is that it works like Jungian Psychology (or similar). If you have morals you will suppress bad impulses and they become your shadow (or dark side). If you don't acknowledge that you have a shadow they will come out unexpectedly. If you give up trying you become an immoral person. Morals = Light Side, Shadow = Dark Side. This is a simplified version of a complex topic, but to me it fits better with what happened in the OT. There is also a part in the Clone Wars series when Yoda meets his dark side self and it fits perfectly with this. Light and Dark are not as simple as being selfish or selfless. Balance means acknowledging your shadow but not letting it take over.

No, but there can be darkness disguised as the light, as we see in the real world often today.

If not for potential copyright issues you could have just played clips of Kreia warning against such actions.

I don't believe there's too much compassion or light, but there is irresponsibility. You can't have compassion without wisdom, as people, the wisdom of knowing you're finite and not perfect ("There is no ignorance, there is knowledge"). I don't believe wanting to gain and maintain power is inherently selfish if you intend that power to go into your selflessness. After all, what good is that compassion when you have no will? However, I stand by that moral integrity and wisdom come before survival. I believe the light side or "good side" derives not just from a good strong heart, but also a strong mind, will, and responsibility to form a good strong person. The jedi were compassionate but arrogant, the latter which isn't a good personal trait now is it? And to tolerate anything, even the bad, is hypocritical if you believe people deserve well-being. But to go too far to enforce a belief without any tolerance or mercy isn't quite compassion anymore but uncontrolled passion.

How I long for the simpler days.

These people obviously didn't play KOTOR II. Kreia nailed objectivism vs altruism. She was never wrong, but she never was totally right. Kreia gave us some interesting insights about balance, light vs dark, and self-reliance. These people making Star Wars just don't even come close to getting it with their victim mentality and moral relativism.

Does no one understands the lessons Kreia taught us about the Force in KOTOR 2? Too much of either Light and Dark blinds us all - Jedi, Sith, whatever. The Force always tries to be in a state of balance, which in turns creates a never-ending cycle of war and death in the SW galaxy as you have constant rise and fall of Jedi, Sith, Republics, and Empires. The Jedi were so blind by too much Light to the point that they lack self-awareness of themselves and others around them.

Feels like there might be a Taoism thing at work, maybe. Balance being movement, life. Things able to change freely, from light to dark and back again, because one is supposed to become the other. Bad things encourage good things in response, and vice versa. If there's too much chaos, things fall apart. Or too much stasis, when things rot and get hollow. The Jedi were at their best when they were fighting bad things that refused to change, that just hung around and got stagnant. The imbalance of the Sith is this consuming vortex of bad things making other bad things ad infinitum, but even then, the Rebellion was the core of a good thing that rose in response.

I think game mechanics, where you have a Force bar that goes to the Light Side or the Dark Side depeding on your choices have scrambled whatever understanding people had about the Force. The "Light Side" is supposed to be the balance, the natural state, and the Dark Side just a corruption of it, a sickness of the Force. That notion has been completely obliterared nowadays.

@Jedishill680

15 күн бұрын

I think this as well Kotor mechanics are not indicative of how the force works

@GreaterGrievobeast55

15 күн бұрын

Perhaps the darkside should've been treated like a corruption meter/status effect that one might get after certain actions, like radiation in fallout. I know Jedi survivor plays around with the concept different to how Kotor or force unleashed does.

@Jedishill680

14 күн бұрын

​@@GreaterGrievobeast55that makes more sense, for example let's say revan makes too many evil choices, then for a while the good options are unavailable so he can't help a mother in need after he uses force lightning to harm innocents

@GreaterGrievobeast55

13 күн бұрын

@@Jedishill680 oh yeah! It should certainly have an effect in dialouge options. I'm sure some gamers would be upset that they can't use the entire set of force powers since some are oriented to different things but that's how it be.

No, you can’t have too much Light Side, you can’t have too much compassion, you can’t have too much GOOD Giving someone too much where they have no purpose in life is NOT compassionate. Leaving others to care for an able individual is not selfless, it’s selfish. The imbalance in the Force did not come from too many users of the Light, imbalance came from Jedi who no longer were really in touch with the Light, but lost their moral compass in the war.

You sounded like a disney shill at the end there. The force is good and the light side is GOOD, there is no imbalance if there is too much! The dark side is the corruption of the force, balance is achieved when the light side prevails

Hey Thor, I find it concerning /odd that the argument about “too much good” is being argued from an unnaturally isolated standpoint of the ‘giver’ of the ‘good’. In your argument and many commenting here it seems you are saying that it is the act itself that is good or bad… such that if a doctor gives medicine it is the medicine that is good, and too much medicine would kill the patient, hence too much of a good thing etc. The problem here though is that it is not the medicine that is the moral focal point - it is that the doctor is giving something that will bring the patient to health - the doctor made a good/compassionate choice for doing that. If the doctor willfully gives a lethal dose of medication, the doctor is choosing evil for doing that. You have to consider the intent and ramifications of your actions to derive good or evil - a person with an evil plan to take power may do all sorts of ‘good acts’ along the way but if the intent is evil, then the person is still choosing evil. In the Christian scriptures Jesus tears apart the religious leaders for doing ‘good acts’ for the wrong reasons (to get glory for themselves). A person declaring to themselves “I’m going to do all these great acts of good endlessly as much as I can” and let’s use the civil dependent example - just giving a one size fits all acts of good are not good because the needs are different for each person. One needs a little financial assistance. One needs an environment safe from abuse. One needs medical help to break addiction. To show true compassion, you need to get to know each situation and discern the right and ‘good’ course of action in each. Giving the addict a bunch of money is bereft of compassion…. It could kill them rather than help them. If an individual can minister to the unique needs of another, there is no limit, because for it to be good, the individual needs to know as much as possible what the recipient needs in the current moment. Can you imagine a world like that?

Dude, what you're talking about with the expression about "teaching a man how to fish" takes me back to Kreia from KOTOR 2.

Inbalance can not go both ways. Essentially, the (living) force is an energy field created by all living beings. The Sith use the force of life to harm life and thus the system is out of balance. This is the reason why "balance of the force" means that there are no Sith. The Jedi on the other hand are servants of the force and thus do not cause im balance as long as they don't act selfishly or act mindlessly. Thus, the number of jedi does not matter, as long as there is at least one single jedi that rebels against the opression of the Sith and wins (and thus brings balance to the force).

The introduction of the Mortis Gods didn't help. They're weren't necessary. The Force doesn't need deities

@GreaterGrievobeast55

14 күн бұрын

I mean the force's already worshiped like one so I thought it was kinda cool to give it a Mythological folklore vibe. I think a bigger issue came from Making the mortis gods so.....literal I guess? Like, when you take a bigger look at it the family is a big metaphor for Anakins unhealthy struggle with Balancing himself and how trying to keep both sides in check is unsustainable and dangerous. Between that and how the arc ends like the three just woke up from a dream I figured the Ones were more like a big vision the force put up as manifestations of anakins emotions to convey important messages. Imagined Figments that weren't *literally* going to escape, that might've not even been pre established deities in the universe. But now we have time travel dimensions and statues build of them in other galaxies, not to mention legends having Abeloth. So I suppose things got carried away

I haven’t seen the video yet but I wanted to say something real quick. According to The Father in the Clone Wars, too much light *can* be imbalance. But imo, it’s not due there being no sith and thousands of Jedi. Instead, too much light would be if the Jedi went out of their way to destroy the dark side itself, which ties into the Wills’ lesson to Yoda of the dark side needing to exist but should never be used to achieve balance in yourself and the force.

@emberfist8347

15 күн бұрын

Except the Father was keeping things at the brink that isn’t balance.

@alexdeghost2729

15 күн бұрын

@@emberfist8347Mortis was in balance until the Son turned on him.

@emberfist8347

15 күн бұрын

@@alexdeghost2729 Except the Son was already trying to kill the Daughter and Father.

@alexdeghost2729

15 күн бұрын

@@emberfist8347 Not quiet until the second episode.

@emberfist8347

14 күн бұрын

@@alexdeghost2729 No before hand it was clear the Son and Daughter were constantly fighting and the Father was barely keeping them in check.