Let's be honest here: when it comes to fantasy art, the less armour they draw, the less armour they draw wrong.

@thekaxmax

3 жыл бұрын

legit

@shapezed4476

3 жыл бұрын

I mean... where's the lie?

@jtraptor7776

3 жыл бұрын

you're not wrong though

@thewolfstu

3 жыл бұрын

So the thing is We don't draw skimpy outfits cause we horn*E* We artists draw them cause we're actually just really bloody lazy. lol well, that's my reasoning. lol Plus, sometimes you just wanna be a thicc barbarian lady, am I right?

@FLBLUE777

3 жыл бұрын

Tru dat

Shad’s wife: “uhh.. what are you looking at” Shad: “oh, it’s um... research.”

@dh599

3 жыл бұрын

My new head cannon on why these videos were made. It was all to justify why he was looking at half naked people.

@housbous1096

3 жыл бұрын

@@dh599 makes sense. Haha

@DivergentDroid

3 жыл бұрын

Shad: "it's a piece on armor babe.. not to worry, I prefer you with no clothing at all!" That will fix everything.

@hulmhochberg8129

3 жыл бұрын

For science

@Soinetwa

3 жыл бұрын

@@dh599 nah its because he was lookign at such pictures ... then after tellign his wife hes aboutto make a video she was like.. ok show me how much you have done he: its still all in the editing i can show you tomorrow so he proceeded to make thsi video over night... lucky us! :D

Ancient warrior: *goes into battle with no clothes and a huge shield and survives* Also ancient warrior: *dies a few weeks later because he got bit by a mosquito during the battle*

@derdrache0512

2 жыл бұрын

The mosquito be like:

@airlanggaariaseta2459

2 жыл бұрын

@@derdrache0512 haha.. Disease go brrrrrr

@aka-47k

2 жыл бұрын

lol you know how much they move in battle? try to see if a mosquito can land on you while you doing gymnastics lol additionally they were very resistent against illnesses back then, else all would simply die off, yes children deathrate were high, thats why only the ones who are immune to sufff mosquitos bring would make it to adulthood.

@Superbug-tf8zy

2 жыл бұрын

@@aka-47k Friendly reminder they were weaker to plagues than we are today, people often say vaccines don't make you stronger, but they do.

@aka-47k

2 жыл бұрын

@@Superbug-tf8zy thats what i said, child death rate, the ones weak to plagues died, the strong survived, so yeah today all children survive thx to vacciines, but doesnt mean we are stronger then the ones who survived the plagues naturally, we just have more pple surviving, they just had more deaths, but the ones surviving were resistant to it.

Fun fact: In the original Conan books, he wore the best armor available whenever he had the opportunity (though he did get into situations where he was stripped down to nothing fairly regularly). Indeed, if one were to build Conan in Dungeons & Dragons, he wouldn't be a Barbarian at all, he'd be a multiclass Fighter/Rogue with the Sailor background.

@dexocube

3 жыл бұрын

Preach brother

@lanadrey5085

3 жыл бұрын

Fighter/Thief/Barbarian. Conan is amazing. Howard was best writer in American history. Conan is also freakishly strong and has superhuman endurance, so wearing full Gothic plate ain't no thang.

@malachiXX

3 жыл бұрын

They actually did make a Hyborian game to utilize Conan. I own a copy

@webkelpie

3 жыл бұрын

Conan was also a "thief" and often needed to move quietly.

@zubbworks

3 жыл бұрын

He was VERY smart too.

*Next Episode:* Shad vs Skall tests bikini armor in mock combat.

@SoI_Badguy

3 жыл бұрын

oh YEAH

@anakay1184

3 жыл бұрын

Make it reall combat. The winner gets both channels

@peterz7752

3 жыл бұрын

Just make it happen!

@Mailed-Knight

3 жыл бұрын

My eyes... My eyes!

@jeremywatson9129

3 жыл бұрын

I'd pay to see that

Of course, less armour=more plot armour

@depressedcheeseburger3598

3 жыл бұрын

Something was rising and it wasn't a longsword.

@Erynne-Storm

3 жыл бұрын

@@depressedcheeseburger3598 Lol

@trackingdifbeatsaber8203

3 жыл бұрын

That seems like it should work

@soldadoryanbr7776

3 жыл бұрын

@@depressedcheeseburger3598 *IT WAS A BUSTER SWORD*

@calbanar

3 жыл бұрын

@@depressedcheeseburger3598 A short sword perhaps then?

In the case of Red Sonja, her scale bikini isn't armour and never was: it's a boast, a brag, a statement of prowess. "I'm so good, I can fight without getting hit. See how heavily scarred I'm not?"

@lancetheking7524

2 жыл бұрын

No weight would make you be fast enough to dodge lol

@lorekeeper685

2 жыл бұрын

@@lancetheking7524 there is a couplr secret alled called "block" amd "parry"

@redactedoktor

2 жыл бұрын

That’s another aspect to it! I think the Barbarian armor style is equally as beneficial as normal plate mail armor and such, but for completely different reasons.

@munanchoinc

2 жыл бұрын

Problem is the safety for her OWN weapons. If she can get hurt by her weapons, then whats the point of not getting hit.

@farhaxai9948

2 жыл бұрын

that's pretty badass

I can definitely see maille "clothing" being a sign of wealth and status; firstly because this type of ornamentation would likely be extremely expensive, but also because emulating a warrior's prestige item with clothing would be an expression of power. Ornamental maille would also likely be a way for a craftsman to showcase his skill as well with how fine and delicate the rings are.

@penguinjay

3 жыл бұрын

kinda like having a BBQ gun. If you don't know, it's a fancy gun to show off on SUndays with your family, mostly all for looks, often smaller or a different style of gun than one would use for an every day carry. Most importantly, you never really intend to use it other than to maintain it, and that's why it's fancy. revealing chain mail garments seem similar. Some people wear a vest w armor plates or kevlar for style, they could use more armor to be actually protected, but it's meant more for style, w the secondary ability to stop a small caliber round if it hits torso. The fashion argument this dude brought up got me most sold on the idea bc I can see examples like it all around me.

"Hands are prime targets" Jedi: _heavy breathing_

@insanelyme938

3 жыл бұрын

I know right.... That's why when I first saw Kylo's lightsaber I thought "well, he's keeping his hands"

@jolonghthong5377

3 жыл бұрын

@@insanelyme938 too true

@Hypastpist

3 жыл бұрын

* Ksssssk huuuuuuuuuuuuuuh *

@Julian-pw5mv

3 жыл бұрын

@@insanelyme938 until he cuts them off himself.

@asphaltshingles8594

3 жыл бұрын

@@insanelyme938 Well, he fixed one problem by added a death beam right next to his hands. If he really wanted to protect his hand, he would have made a cross guard out of beskar or something lightsaber resistant. Though, the canon reason for the "crossguard" is to vent some of the energy because he cracked that crystal by try harding being sith or somethingm.

This goes to show that you get much more interesting discussion asking "In what sort of context *could* it work?" rather than just stating it doesn't.

@driveasandwich6734

3 жыл бұрын

But it is interesting to also point out unfit usage

@driveasandwich6734

3 жыл бұрын

@@raphaelambrosiuscostco I do think that's what Tom was referring to; but even in fantasy we should take into account misusage of tropes relative to its own context.

@tomfillot5453

3 жыл бұрын

@@driveasandwich6734 yeah, it kind of comes for free, as identifying the context in which it could work gives you necessary assumptions. Any work can then be criticized based on those assumptions, like "have you done the worldbuilding legwork necessary?". Although I'm not sure it's strictly necessary for every work of fiction that wants to use barbarian. The esthetic exists now, which in itself can justify its use. To me, as long as you get equal amount of fanservice and manservice, I feel like it's okay. Don't gender lock it or stuff like that.

@TheRedAzuki

3 жыл бұрын

@@raphaelambrosiuscostco unless metal literally hampers magic ability. (Or for faefolk, aka, elves and any type of animal-style creature) There's little to no reason to not wear full plated armor, if you can afford it.

@Revenante_of_Asylum

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRedAzuki Well, recurrently, armor does penalize spellcasters. After all, one of the most common components of magic is somatic incantations. The arm motions, hand gestures, intricate finger wagging, "Swish and flick!" Thus it follows that physical impedance hinders ones ability to spellcast, if said ability is even partially dependent of physical motions.

A reasonable video overall, and a good addition to the perpetual discussion of boob armor/mail bikini/female warrior apparel in various fantasy narratives. A few points to add: 1. Different forms of physical exertion build up different muscle groups, so taking cues from contemporary athletes while designing physique of a fantasy character might work or might backfire. A sprinter or a gymnast probably won't be the best model for a warrior wielding a massive melee weapon. Conversely, a weightlifter won't do as the basis of design for a fencer. But either way, generous boobage + wasp-thin waist is a body type of an instagram influencer "improved" by a generous amount of Photoshop, not any actual human woman engaging in combat on regular basis. 2. If you go for a reasonable design by giving your scantily-clad barbarian two handed weapon instead of shield+weapon combo, especially when that two-handed weapon is a longsword or sth with similar grip, don't undo all your work by giving the character big boobs clad in a stiff chest-piece, including a plate bikini bra. She won't be able to properly grip that weapon in that gear. On that note, if you go to the effort of working out what sort of weapon would be reasonable given your character's physique and culture, do the same for clothing construction. Want to put your well-endowed barbarian amazon in a leather/fur/mail biking? Sure. Don't make the bra just 2 triangles tied together by a thin string. This design my work for sunbathing and maaaybe slow strolling down the beach, but nothing more strenuous. If you do the work of designing the culture of your barbarians to justify putting the women in warrior bikinis, then do the work of designing the bikinis in a way that makes sense. Look up how an actual sport bras or bras designed for a big-breasted woman look like. Rule of thumb: big swords and tiny bikinis are for suitably tall and toned but rather average-breasted women. The ones with more generous boobage need weapon+shield combo or some sort of weapon on a pole suitable for wider grip and a well-constructed breast support garment. 3. Mail/plate bra-shaped clothing as a fashion statement? Yep, that's valid. Mail/plate bra-shaped clothing worn over a bare skin day-to-day? Nope, no way. What works for a fantasy-inspired photo-shoot won't work for any prolonged wear. And nipple chafing is just a (very male-centered) tip of the iceberg here. It would be more like all around chafing, but especially under the bra straps (boobs weight, and this weight pulls on any arm or under-boob/torso straps). Stays-made out of soft fabric and flexible boning not hard metal and with way-better weight-distribution design-were still ALWAYS worn over a shift, even when the stays themselves were meant to be a visible fashion piece not just an utilitarian support garment. Some discomfort in the name of fashion is acceptable-inviting certain injury? Nope. Even today a woman might prefer stilettos to sneakers, but will chose ones that don't rub her heels/toes raw.

“Arrow fire. That’s the primary reason you need a shield. You can’t protect from it otherwise.” Macedonian Phalanx: *Pillar Men Theme - Awaken*

@shympek8627

3 жыл бұрын

*Haha, funny spears go wave wave*

@xHASSUNAx

2 жыл бұрын

Is this a Jo Jo reference?

@lonnpton5239

2 жыл бұрын

AYA AYAAAAAAAAA

Metallic bikinis must be really uncomfortable. Iron-ic.

@erikburzinski8248

3 жыл бұрын

They whould probably have clouth behind them to help.

@ADAJ342

3 жыл бұрын

Hey I was going to say that¡ stop steeling the jokes from my brain.

@smontherun1430

3 жыл бұрын

@@erikburzinski8248 Brassiers with small metal bars on the bottom on the cups are a death sentence. But of course that depends on the person wearing them, coz for me hell no.

@smontherun1430

3 жыл бұрын

@@ADAJ342 too late (☞ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)☞

@kyero8724

3 жыл бұрын

Tailor Made nope.

Shad and Skall: IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE SEXY HALF-NAKED BARBARIANS THEY'RE GONNA BE LOGICALLY CONSISTENT SEXY HALF-NAKED BARBARIANS DAMMIT!

@CC-tl3zs

3 жыл бұрын

We need to be able to justify it so we can see more of it

@DeinosCZ

3 жыл бұрын

that does makes sence :)

@lieth43

3 жыл бұрын

You sir are a scholar

@simontmn

3 жыл бұрын

In most historical human cultures the male warriors would dress 'sexy' (this rather tailed off in Europe from the later 19th century, trailing civilian norms which had changed in the early 19c), while women were not warriors at all. But there were certainly double standards for male and female attire in most cultures, as there is today. So if men wear oversized shoulder pauldrons and women wear chain bikinis, both in the name of fashion, I can't really see an issue with that. The women are emphasising their boobs, the men are emphasising their shoulders.

@danielleyoung7929

3 жыл бұрын

@@al.5333 in fact, keep running until the armored one passes out xD

The idea of chainmail as fashion is interesting! There is a kind of jewelry today, called byzantine chain, which is basically chainmail necklaces or bracelets. I do not know how old it is, but it seems to be an example of that specifically.

I mean, we have historical accounts of cultures fighting nude. I imagine bikini armor is used to reference them without having to actually be nude. Like, I know Darth Talon from Star Wars' EU was inspired by Pict Warriors who fought in nothing but tattoos.

I would never thought that you could actually argue about bikini armor and be 100% serious but I was wrong

@lanadrey5085

3 жыл бұрын

Shad and I both seem to be autistic like that. I'm always trying to reason out physics in comic books, which is absurd because most comic books are made by artistic types who can't even do math.

@ghostmaker8363

3 жыл бұрын

@@lanadrey5085 me to with comic are unrealistic with physics and I do that all the time

@whytho1690

3 жыл бұрын

If the fantasy setting included magical enchantments, I thought it made sense that "bikini armor" (and loincloth) was just heavily enchanted maximum mobility armor. But real life? Nah, I wouldn't count on it.

@JackSparrow-re4ql

3 жыл бұрын

Speaking of bikinis; wouldn't clothes weigh you down if they got wet during rain on the battlefield? Or potentially near a river?

@Wilphart

3 жыл бұрын

Well... in a culture that values the beauty of the human body, the bikini armor would protect the most precious parts. A scar on a woman warrior's side might be a badge of honor in a barbarian culture, but if a nipple got cut off or something, it might be less honorable. What am I saying? I agree with you that bikini armor is a fashion and not really protection. And OF COURSE artists use bikini armor to sexualize the warrior women.

Other reply videos: "he is worng and stupid" Shad's reply videos: "that is quite an interesting point he has brought up"

@danhaas9730

3 жыл бұрын

Depends on who he’s replying to.... anyone not in this “community of the sword” he’s pretty brutal on.

@Sgt-Wolf

3 жыл бұрын

Respectful disagreement on the internet? Did I wake up in a different universe?

@asheronwindspear552

3 жыл бұрын

Certainly need to see more of that on the internet

@williamjenkins4913

3 жыл бұрын

@@danhaas9730 The archery video are the only ones that I have seen him get a bit agro in. I don't think he started it or was in the wrong in that case.

@fluff6811

3 жыл бұрын

@@gumbowallace It’s almost like Fate itself is his discord mod xD

I am a female and an artist. I don't like chainmail bikinis, but some of images from these videos show female figures that make me goes 'oooh, I wanna play as them' or 'oooh, what an interesting clothing design / body figure'. My no 1 favorite female character is Infested Kerrigan and she is straight naked. Slapping them all as sexists feels detrimental to creativity and empowerment through fantasy. I prefer to support variety instead.

@Dingus_Khaan

2 жыл бұрын

With Kerrigan it does make sense. She's covered in a chitinous armor, and she has that Zerg regeneration. Physical injury isn't a big concern for her.

That fashion bit is really interesting take that you can take even further within fantasy setting. Imagine mages wearing such mail clothing weaved with rings in shape of runes and other mystical patterns giving them some forms of force shields or simply pushing away blades and arrows that normally would hut them.

@gerardlacroix6015

2 жыл бұрын

I do think some japanese fantasy has some creature wearing a shit ton of prayers on papers as clothes.

@CellGames2006

2 жыл бұрын

You've never seen Warhammer 40k, eh?

@chillax319

2 жыл бұрын

@@CellGames2006 You refer to basically buck naked dark eldar ladies that are fast af boi?

@Zack_Wester

2 жыл бұрын

except metal on caster have problem. only a few classes of specialist caster have metal armor and even weapons. be it they just can plain cast whit that thing on or the spell gets weaker. the classic mage staff was because a sword just messed up the spell casting (not sure if that was on all classes or some). heck even warlock whit blade master that uses a blade can´t cast correctly whit any sword they pick up of the ground. They need to tune there magic to this specific blade and then void store it (so not sure if that steel blade is made of steel any longer). even if you as a caster have the strength to wear plate armor you usually dont because plate messes things up whit casting.

@gerardlacroix6015

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zack_Wester That's DnD, not every fantasy setting.

One point I would like to rise: while it would be utterly stupid for any fantasy culture to put a female warrior on a battlefield in a chainmail bikini, I could totaly see a culture where female gladiators wear it. Historically, Roman gladiator kit ofen emphasized entertainment value over practicality.

@boarfaceswinejaw4516

3 жыл бұрын

depends on the time period. the picts fought naked after all.

@johnathanera5863

3 жыл бұрын

Except it really wouldnt lol. I mean this video goes pretty in depth as to why a fantasy culture would and could fight practically nude. The chainmail part is useless but if your fighting basically naked anyway who tf cares?

@youtubecreators384

3 жыл бұрын

IE: Rebecca from One Piece.

@matthiuskoenig3378

3 жыл бұрын

@@boarfaceswinejaw4516 no they didn't the romans describe them as shirtless not naked. you are thinking of a group of gaulic mercinaries, who are described as going naked in order to outflank the romans through a swamp (implieing they normally wear clothing)

@robincray116

3 жыл бұрын

There is a quote from a very obscure game: "Fighting almost naked has its advantages. Such as not having to pay for armor..."

Going into battle half naked is like the biggest power move.

@gusbisbal9803

3 жыл бұрын

Going in with a Main Battle Tank is better.

@lincolnpascual

3 жыл бұрын

Going in while naked *IN* a battle tank... Conqueror level.

@lincolnpascual

3 жыл бұрын

@@justinph1946 🤣😂🤣😂 yes you are.

@davecullins1606

3 жыл бұрын

Your enemy will either think you are poor AF or skilled AF.

@DailyCorvid

3 жыл бұрын

@@davecullins1606 If I am running into a battle naked then my opponent would definitely be a nudified Yanet Garcia :D No armor nor weapon necessary it's basically nudey mud wrestling !

Even with zero justification I'd be like. "Its hot" that be all the reason I need

@weaponizedlizardmen360

2 жыл бұрын

This person thinks with nothing but the "monke" part of their brain.

@sbyrstall

2 жыл бұрын

@@weaponizedlizardmen360 You make that sound like a bad thing.

@DoctorFail

2 жыл бұрын

@@weaponizedlizardmen360 If its entertaining and visually appealing then the comic/videogame/movie/show is doing its job. Its the fun police that ruins it.

Shad, while all of your videos are great, this one is definitely one of the best episodes of the series, as well as very educational and informative! Everything you said about wearing armor and the impracticalities that go with them makes sense! Keep up the great work, my friend! :)

Shad: Says a thing. Skall: I agree with Shad, and shall make a video agreeing with him. Shad: I agree with Skall agreeing with me, and shall make a video agreeing with him agreeing with me. I love nerd fights...

@odd-ysseusdoesstuff6347

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine Skall doing a video on this, then Shad doing a video on that video, then Skall doing a video on that other video... The paradox is unending...

@forgalzz7

3 жыл бұрын

It's nearly like Asmongold watching himself react to something and commenting thinks like "I agree completely" ...

@jaywerner8415

3 жыл бұрын

Intellectual conversation.

@Nurk0m0rath

3 жыл бұрын

Well, it's not quite that simple. Nerds like to nitpick with each other and add small tidbits of missed or forgotten info to complete a picture. So while they may agree in large part, they're still arguing details.

@7PlayingWithFire7

3 жыл бұрын

Except, they didn't agree, wut Skall pointed out the obvious bias shad had where he completely ignored the mail bikini (which is like the main issue, not loincloths) and the obvious double standard of how he just goes "oh males had big muscles, thats all for sex appeal, just like women with push up bras!" except ignoring the fact that muscles had a lot more than just sex appeal to it, such as power and physical prowess

"Because it looks cool" justifies most things in entertainment.

@nickelakon5369

3 жыл бұрын

And "it's magic, I don't gotta explain shit" justifies most things in fantasy.

@marvalice3455

3 жыл бұрын

"Because it's cool" justifies a lot in real life too

@jotham777

3 жыл бұрын

@@nickelakon5369 stop being a fake feminist

@craigore2011

3 жыл бұрын

Fan service for the win

@acedias12

3 жыл бұрын

@@jotham777 okay, that's random.

Thank you for clearing this up! I was surprised by your answer, which was well put together.

I pretty much came here for the female warrior pics. You didn’t disappoint 😉

@sovietmogus3263

2 жыл бұрын

Relatable

@theknight957

2 жыл бұрын

Same

"The interesting disadvantage of a shield is that you have worse line of sight" Is this why riot shield is is transparent?

@thegremlin5886

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, and bunker shields have a transparent slot for the same reason as well

@thekaxmax

3 жыл бұрын

it's why all shields are as big as they need to be for the style and no bigger. Otherwise everyone would use an oversized scutum with a hole in it for stabbing the opponent.

@kevinsullivan3448

3 жыл бұрын

They make some lexan shields with super bright directional lights in the too.

@kevinsullivan3448

3 жыл бұрын

@@thekaxmax When I was stationed in West Germany, I was in the SCA and one of the fighters used a shield the size of a door. It didn't hurt that he 6ft 4in and weighed about 240lbs. He was also high speed/low drag.

@JPG.01

3 жыл бұрын

@@kevinsullivan3448 So he was basically a bloody battering ram by himself?

Quick comment about Conan (that I didn't see yet said): In the books, Conan generally wears sensible armor whenever he can and thinks he needs it. He is a barbarian, not an idiot.

@Hengebobs

3 жыл бұрын

I always found it odd that when referring to conan people only seem to acknowledge the comic covers or the movie posters. Meanwhile at the very beginning of the conan movie it showed conan on a throne in an outfit much more accurate to the books. Which as you said he was generally running around in full plate with a helm and shield.

@ChaosLemonVIII

3 жыл бұрын

He also fought off a coup and a demon while putting on his full plate armor like an absolute badass

@krankarvolund7771

3 жыл бұрын

@@Hengebobs Because most people have not read the book, or even watched the movie ^^ Honestly, I know more aout Cohen the Barbarian than about Conan the Barbarian XD If you don't know Cohen is a parody of Conan which is 100 years old and still fight, in Disworld from Terry Pratchett ^^

@BreandanOCiarrai

3 жыл бұрын

@@Hengebobs - hell, even later on in the movie after scoring the Eye of the Serpent and other gems, he buys a buttload of armour and is seen several times wearing it, including helm and shield at the Battle of the Mounds. Even people who've only seen the movie should know better. IIRC the only times he went without armour in the novels (been decades since I last read them, need to remedy that) were when he was with Belit on the ship, in jungle regions of Kush or the like, or didn't have access to it.

@101Mant

3 жыл бұрын

I blame book covers and comics which seem to always put him in a loincloth. When I started reading the actual books I was surprised he was mostly wearing armour, I some stories basically plate.

Interesting... A Crystal Shield (transparent) is actually useful for "reactively" protecting the feet & shins.

Awesome video! Helps me a lot for being more realistic in my pen and paper sessions ♡

so in summary: if no arrow fire: Shield acceptable, but not required if arrow fire: shield imperative if naked: shield recommended if shield: pauldron on shield arm acceptable, leg armor recommended, one Axe acceptable if no shield: "full-arm" armor acceptable. Big sword recommended. Double axes not recommended If double axes: bikini armor not recommended, full armor recommended if arrow fire & no shield: Dead

@silberblock3099

3 жыл бұрын

Dead xD

@jaywerner8415

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds about right.

@Taojas

3 жыл бұрын

What about a naked, dual-shield-wielder? A doubly defensive barbarian? Sorry I think this question has already been covered. kzread.info/dash/bejne/a4epq659ctyZcZs.html

@janomghranac795

3 жыл бұрын

"if arrow fire & no shield: Dead" Lets not forget bolts, bullets, darts, javelins and most importantly, stones. humans are good at throwing things and having a shield to block or deflect that is almost vital. the only time I could think of where one would not need to worry about projectiles is ritualized combat or a form of warfare where both sides agree to the terms of war. In ancient warfare, slingers would be the biggest reason to bring a shield. Nobody wants to invest years of training and a small fortune on a the perfect specimen of a muscle and battle prowess only to have some shepherd nobody chuck a pebble into his brain. Just ask the Philistines.

@catoticneutral

3 жыл бұрын

Also note that non-armor light chainmail clothing can reasonably be worn along with any of these setups without reducing practicality.

Well done! Interesting discussion. I hadn't considered that folks like Red Sonja might be wearing the chain bikini more as fashion than armor. I remember hearing the justification that she was trying to distract her opponents (seems likely). Thank you also for talking about the body/physique issue.

That thumbnail is better than any argument against skimpy armor.

I feel like shad is using this as an excuse to ''research" bikini armor.

@nyarlathotep13

3 жыл бұрын

🤫

@scottbraun2457

3 жыл бұрын

And you wouldn't?

@panchopeanut6486

3 жыл бұрын

@@scottbraun2457 fair point

Fun fact: In the original Conan The Barbarian stories he didn't willingly go without armor, the plot was written in such a way that he either had his armor removed, or got caught up in dangerous situations without any armor. His lack of armor was a plot device, rather than the character actively eschewing armor. The few times he did eschew armor was because he wasn't expecting to get into a fight, such as when climbing the tower of the evil sorcerer Yara.

@lanadrey5085

3 жыл бұрын

Howard understood melee combat well enough to recognize that armor is usually a no-brainer. One thing I love about the Conan stories is that his armor actually works! In Queen of the Black Coast, for example, when the crew shatter their spears on his scale hauberk while he ignores defense and goes full murder. And Conan on the offense is a storm that you don't want to be caught in! "A giant in black plate, who roared and smote like a hurricane." Howard was a literary God.

Probably my favorite video you've done so far. I had legitimate debates on this subject with friends and family.

Well, if the stats are good I will wear bikini armor on my male character.

@athertongraham9045

2 жыл бұрын

Moood

Next topic: How practical is THICC BOOTY in combat? :D Seriously though, thanks for the response, Shad! I agree, not using a shield is really not an option when encountering arrows (unless you're wearing a full suit of plate, which is the opposite of what we're talking about). Otherwise spears and polearms are great, unless you're stuck in confined spaces. The iconic barbarian two-handed axe is terribly short indeed. If you look at mail bikinis strictly as fashion accessories, I agree. Seems uncomfortable, but of course fashion often is. And yes, ideally it'd be done consistently for both female and male barbarians. Ah, that squash court sparring footage is giving me 2014 flashbacks. :D

@FandeAlanwake

3 жыл бұрын

You and Shad should do sparring fights. That would be nice sword battles to watch :D

@shadiversity

3 жыл бұрын

Lol, now I really want to see this video on THICC BOOTY combat. I love these back and forth discussions, and all of your points. I remember watching your squash court sparring videos back in the day, they're heaps of fun. I think I need new sparring footage of myself, using the old stuff feels so jarring now.

@ttorrr

3 жыл бұрын

Ah yes my friends. There is a concept manga. Hip whip girl explores this.

@IanGerritsen

3 жыл бұрын

I recommend the anime Keijo to get an in-depth understanding of the practicality of thicc booty in offensive situations.

@Erynne-Storm

3 жыл бұрын

@@FandeAlanwake I agree, I would like to watch Shad spar again. His video about teaching Jazza to spar is one I go back and watch regularly, as well as his HEMA sparing video.

Badly summarizing this 20 minute video: GET A F*%&ING SHIELD!

@danielrenner4677

3 жыл бұрын

You basically hide behind an ally's Shield for arrow Protection and then fight without one

@jotheunissen9274

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielrenner4677 Or the ally IS the shield

@irontuzi3453

3 жыл бұрын

@@jotheunissen9274 This explains that weird handle on halfling and gnome armor in many fantasy settings. This also explains why our halflings and gnomes keep dying.

lol me and my friends actually got into discussion about this and i remembered this video :) Thanks dude!

Interesting points, I am going to go watch these other videos. One thing I did not hear was the reality of blood sports and gladiatorial events. The points you made about modern day athletes were spot on I think, especially given average Mediterranean temps, but also so people can see what happens, quite certain that was a major factor.

Valentines day approaches: Most husbands: Browse online lingerie stores for gift ideas Shad: Browses fantasy stores for mail bikinis

@sidrat2009

3 жыл бұрын

fe-mail bikinis is probably already trademarked or something.

@filmandfirearms

2 жыл бұрын

@@sidrat2009 Definitely not trademarked. There's too many people who have done it before in various forms of fantasy

@AverageGamer-tq1hx

2 жыл бұрын

Ngl, a fe-mail bikini would be better than lingerie, since one can stop a stab wound to the breast, while the other cannot.

Conan, the Barbarian, and Xena, the Warrior princess. Cheers Nik

@chrishubbard64

3 жыл бұрын

Xena wears metal reinforced leather armor on her torso, forearms and shins. She also often uses a shield. She isnt a barbarian, she is a highly experienced ex merc captain who knows the value of protecting yourself. Conan has done both, bare chested loin clothed glory, and wearing heavy armor.

@tomtom34b

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrishubbard64 Xena, in the very first episode, fought off the baddies in her underwear (basically). She had burried her armor, because of her past or something...

@chrishubbard64

3 жыл бұрын

@@tomtom34b And in the other 150,000 episodes, she fought in more or less full armor. (Seriously, that series went on for one heck of a long time) There were probably rare exceptions but in general, she wore fairly effective armor.

@tomtom34b

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrishubbard64 Yeah were there that many? ofc, we can be exaggerating into both directions. Thing is, Bikini armor is not relevant, if you have plot armor. If you don´t have plot armor, Xena´s sophisticated leather armor didn´t save her from being captured/overpowered/whatever - because the episode required that to happen. You can´t seriously conclude from a TV show to effectiveness of Bikini armor. I think most sane people agree that bikini armor is nonsense. But in a fictional setting, it might work? I am open for that. And I think it worked for Xena. Some episodes are cringeworthy, but I am still a fan.... :-) This is a fun topic, but it is obviously a tongue-in cheek topic as well .... Cheers!

@chrishubbard64

3 жыл бұрын

@@tomtom34b My point was that she doesnt wear bikini armor. She wears a full torso (not counting cleavage) set of reinforced leather armor, some arm guards, and leg guards, with a sort of leather skirt for some minor thigh protection. Its not ideal, but its way better than some sort of chainmail bikini. Im sure shad would call out all sorts of silly things from her gear, but on the scale between unprotected and full period accurate armor, I think it falls closer to the period appropriate side of the scale. Especially since it doesnt seem to have a lot of that armor that gets in the way that he hates. You know, giant 50 pound bulbous shoulder pieces with spikes that would kill you if you shrug, that sort of thing. :p

You have my thanks for continuing to make good content and dare I say, interesting content.

Going into battle in chainmail bikini is just flexing at this point.

The ultimate answer to "That's completely impractical, WHY would you DO that?" is often aesthetics. Not just in fiction/history, in modern life as well. Future historean: "What was the use of those rips in people's pants back then? They wore pants to protect themselves from cold and wind, right? Those rips are completely counterproductive!" "And what's with all the fishnets those punk/goth people wore? What's the use of those?"

@lanadrey5085

3 жыл бұрын

Fishnets are actually surprisingly good clothing. They're usually made of synthetic microfiber which are very flexible and tear resistant, and the fishnet pattern actually holds air bubbles which helps keep you warm - the orange spacesuit they wear on NASA missions, if you look closely at the material, is fishnet! And you can wear JUST that in space and maintain pressure and warmth! The big bulky suits protect you from heat, glare, radiation and have waste disposal and life support, but if you pop out for a quick smoke by the airlock your orange pajamas and an oxygen mask are all you need.

@adolfodef

3 жыл бұрын

@@xXGeth270Xx Natural fur works in the same way ("static" air bubbles). -> The "shivering" in humans is an evolutionary reflex that would move & allign the non_existent fur in a geometry that further enhances this effect. Obviously there is a maximum distance in_between each of the fibers that must not be exceeded (1/20 to 1/50 of the one in your example), otherwise this "passive" thermal barrier effect does not happen at all.

@CatastrophicDisease

3 жыл бұрын

The difference is that ripped jeans and fishnets are not used in combat.

@suezuccati304

3 жыл бұрын

Praticality is way more important than aesthetics for fighting

@adolfodef

3 жыл бұрын

@@suezuccati304 It really depends what is the OBJECTIVE of the wearer: . If it is just to "defeat" an oponent (not to "win" a fight), then a suicide attack that requires merely surviving for long enough to ensure their death will sufice [like not covering organs that when damaged cause a FATAL, but not instantly "lethal" injury]. . If they want a "worthy" type of death (regardless of the actual result of the combat), like how the Valhalla of the Nords requires for it to happen in the "fire of the battle" (not on the aftermath); then the opposite may happen [not covering the heart & lungs, precisely because they are instantly critical]; while trying to avoid receiving the the "long & slow" type of injuries (in favor or the "deep & quick" ones). Finally, there is the "high risk, high reward" of going under_protected solely for the porpouse of boasting [if they WIN a match and survive, they did it with "disadvantage"; if they do not, it does not matter!]. Note: This last one actually requires a disregard for "honor & pride" (or having a good_name/legacy); as it focuses on enjoying all the rewards in life [protection against DISABLING injuries that would "sour" it may be considered], like full covering of the face & hands (but not the whole head or arms) & erogenous zones like the genitals, breasts & neck. -> In all of this cases, the aestethics are important (albeit for VERY different reasons), because of a SOCIAL impact that trascends the combat itself: . The pride/honor for the family/country that they are giving their life for a chance of success. . Their own after_life value_assestment "judgement" (either by the gods or their descendants). . Their current "Fame & Fortune"; measured as the "awe" they can generate on their "fans" (perception, not knowledge).

Red Sonja quote when asked about her armor: “I… I hadn’t really thought of it before. I always said it was a good distraction, men would watch my body closer than my blade… But perhaps… Perhaps I am seeking that attention again. Maybe because I have sworn not to lay with a man who could not best my sword… Or… Or maybe I am calling to those who would force themselves on a woman… Like a Siren calling sailors to their deaths… Calling such men to my blade so that I may slay them again and again…”

@Space_Drifter0621

3 жыл бұрын

Although I'm a man I understand her point: She would only make love to those men who see more of a powerful enemy that must be defeated than just a woman in skimpy clothes

@knightmare3706

3 жыл бұрын

What game/movie is this from, I'd like to know.

@OtherTheDave

3 жыл бұрын

@@knightmare3706 Dunno the exact book/movie/whatever, but en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Sonja

@pmester228

3 жыл бұрын

That is until she comes across the hordes of r/incel or the Thot Patrol...

@Apologetic-Reruns

3 жыл бұрын

@@Space_Drifter0621 It has been explained in different ways in the comics. It's been suggested that she would have to die first, ala "best my sword." .

4:37 I mentioned this on Skallagrim's video, but female gymnasts aren't particularly ripped, but are still exceptionally strong and agile.

@alesksander

2 жыл бұрын

Well yeah depends on discipline.

Although a bit long-winded, I like these... Thanks!

MMORPG rule 101: The less armor she's wearing - the more armor she has.

@uni4rm

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe in Tera. In say, World of Warcraft, the "bikini" armor is actually extremely rare and completely disadvantageous to use due to that game depending on armor stats.

@myself2noone

3 жыл бұрын

This really hasn't been true for a very long time. Maybe in some Asian MMOs, but it's hardly the norm anymore.

@katajiro8178

3 жыл бұрын

@@myself2noone Not a man of culture, I see.

@remyllebeau77

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't have it any other way.

@bipolarminddroppings

3 жыл бұрын

@@uni4rm I can't really think of much "bikini" armor in WoW, the odd bra style chest piece in Cloth or Leather but those are generally for casters who aren't getting hit by swords and the like. Now if a tank had bikini armour, that would be pretty dumb.

From a military perspective, weight on the limbs issue is known. The saying is "An ounce on your legs equals a pound on your body"

@thekaxmax

3 жыл бұрын

countered by the fact that a stab to the arm is a bastard but a stab to the torso can kill

I would love to hear you talk about the arms and armor of Masters of the Universe, it blends sword and sorcery with a hint of science fiction, tactical barbarians.

Very interesting. You make some great points in this discussion.

I remember an old novel where the heroine came from a race that had runes tattooed all over their bodies. The runes provide physical/magical abilities but some non-passive ones requires them exposed to be used. All this plot(armor)just to give a reason for the heroine to run around near naked.😁

@Nubbletech

3 жыл бұрын

Clever

@raffibagus3035

3 жыл бұрын

What's the title

@paulcourtemanche3549

3 жыл бұрын

What book?

@seanc9520

3 жыл бұрын

When watching this video talking about reasons I suddenly remembered that runes thing I read but it's too long ago. Borrowed from local library over 30 years ago, seriously cannot remember more.

@Legion849

3 жыл бұрын

What is the book name?

Regarding being consistent: If the culture has strict gender roles, I don't think having a difference between what's ok for men and women to wear is a logical inconsistency. Of course, if you're going for a much more equal culture than medieval Europe, then yeah, give the guys a chainmail loincloth.

@jasperzanovich2504

3 жыл бұрын

Do you really consider medieval Europe to be gender equal?

@PJDAltamirus0425

3 жыл бұрын

If you have that strict gender roles, then women wouldn’t been alllowed to fight. Women not being warriors are a extremely basic gender role becuase basic human biology. A dead fertile girl is more of cost to society than a dead man.

@Robobagpiper

3 жыл бұрын

@@PJDAltamirus0425 You make a good point. If a society has them at all, I would expect female warriors to be middle-aged, maybe in their early 40s. They've had their children, who are now nearing adulthood, have built body and muscle mass doing the heavy labor more common in poorer pre-modern societies, and are freed from the biological imperative of fertility.

@joelsasmad

3 жыл бұрын

@@PJDAltamirus0425 I mean there is still again specific history and culture to consider. In a society were young women are genuinely at risk(monsters targeting them, enemy soilders in war taking them away as prizes, ect) on a regular basis than you'll get alot less dead fertile women by teaching them to fight than not.

@joelsasmad

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasperzanovich2504 Most fantasy settings borrow the trappings of medieval Europe but aren't. I mean is a guy shooting fireballs from his hands any less fantastical than women having equal rights?

I absolutely love when you guys go back and forth on these things. I know it has not real application in todays society but I love it none the less.

there is a real life equivalent: the zulu nation. these warriors that clashed with the british used cow hide shields as their main defense, other than that not much in term of armor. the reason for that - partially- was that they needed to move vast distances in minimal time, which is easier the lighter you travel. and their ability to do so did actually surprise the british several times. simply put: they needed to go far and fast - so no armor.

@PhilosophicallyAmerican

2 жыл бұрын

I imagine the climate played a role in that decision.

@revanofkorriban1505

2 жыл бұрын

@@PhilosophicallyAmerican Also, the fact that bullet injuries were more lethal if bits of clothing entered the wound. You're more likely to get fatally injured by a bullet wearing clothes than not.

Hey, Conan in the original Robert E. Howard stories actually does wear armor whenever he can get his hands on some. It is just that he is usually in a setting where the climate is very hot (jungle or desert most often) or he was captured/left for dead/or simply cant afford armor. For example when he does eventually become King of Aquilonia he wears a set of full-plate armor into battle with helm and all.

@georgebailey8179

3 жыл бұрын

And the paintings of him usually show him wearing little. I think that Frazetta and Vallejo are the ones most responsible for that trope.

@adambielen8996

3 жыл бұрын

Although to be fair to desert cultures like in the Middle East they did wear armor still. Usually it was chain sandwiched between layers of cloth to keep it out of the sun.

@Ensensu2

3 жыл бұрын

@@adambielen8996 Good point. So long as you're following a tunic design and as long as it doesn't restrict mobility too much, you can make the tunic extend to mid-shin length to allow for more of a bellows effect as one walks around, cooling the wearer further in the armor.

@lightningcat82

3 жыл бұрын

I remember one of the stories where he was being attacked in his personal quarters, and he still put on some of his armor before his opponents got through the door, because any armor is still better than nothing.

@Deatheater4444

3 жыл бұрын

'Night-Black Armor, chased with gold, the Lion of Aquilonia roaring upon the gorget' Not just armor, *swag* armor.

Shad: "Barbarians should use greatswords". Me who plays a barbarian in DnD who uses a greatsword: "Score!"

@masonwadd3096

3 жыл бұрын

Me, who plays a Barbarian with rapier and shield: Worried laughter

@PhilBagels

3 жыл бұрын

@@masonwadd3096 It seems to me that a rapier and shield is a fine combo, especially if you're going up against other barbarians - lightly-armored foes. You've got the shield to protect you from arrows, and a rapier for greater speed of attack.

@Bubben246

3 жыл бұрын

@@PhilBagels In reality, maybe, but D&D is a whole 'nother beast. Rapier ain't gonna do shit to a dragon's scales.

@PhilBagels

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bubben246 That's why I specifically mentioned "lightly-armored foes".

@asheronwindspear552

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bubben246 Precise strikes at joints where scales are weaker. But I'd be going javelin or spear for throwing.

This links right into your video about superheroes and their thin outfits or leotards. Nice video. :)

so i'm working on a d20 game system that uses composite amour and weapon rules, essentially you can build your own Armour and weapons. it includes a lot of factors to calculate such as weight, durability, ability to damage and defend and how it will hinder the user. every video i watch from you gives me another tidbit of information that i immediately realize i should be using. This time it was how limb armour can be more tiring for the user. until now i have put the fatigue penalty for bracer and grieves as lower than torso armour, because it was smaller and lighter. but yeah points of leverage really make so much sense. thank you for helping continue to make a better rule system.

“Can fantasy bikini armor be justified?” Answer: Your thumbnail itself just completely justified it.

@Thy_Boss

3 жыл бұрын

oh

@ThinhLuuSep062K

3 жыл бұрын

Nice 😂

I could see "chainmail fashion" as being a symbol of status. Say the son/daughter of the chieftain, or an honored warrior in their tribe. Metal would be more rare than animal skins for a group that hunts for their food, but may not be a culture of miners. In that type of culture, fast attacks, stealthy hunting, and potentially intimidating physicality would be a way of life. In a story I'm writing, I created a culture that prizes metal because they have none of their own, and don't know how to mine/forge, so they fight against those with metal weapons, metal armor, shields, whatever they may have. The one that kills a warrior with a dagger, an ax, or a sword, is an honored warrior in the tribe. The problem with that is the tribe refuses to distinguish a woodcutter felling a tree from a soldier, and prefers to go after the one with less armor.

@carloshenriquezimmer7543

3 жыл бұрын

You shoul do some research on native polinesian and alaskan tribes for your story. They really valued iron, to the point that some european sailors would star to damage theyr ships, by pulling apart iron nails and other parts, so they could negociate the scraps for valuable exoctic goods. It is said that, the soon to be king, Kamehamea (I don't know how to write that) exchanged a expensive cloak made of red feathers for 10 crappy knives, so he woulld have iron weapons. Than his warriors, supposedly, used them to kill James Cook, in a ironic twist, because they had just purchased those knives from him.

@ClashBluelight

3 жыл бұрын

@@carloshenriquezimmer7543 it's probably typed "kamehameha." i'm basing this on the famous anime attack that's actually named after said king.

@georgebailey8179

3 жыл бұрын

Fashions are fashions, and need have nothing to do with rarity or status. Not so long ago there was a fashion for camouflage clothing among non-military types. Mail bikinis could be a similar fashion statement amongst the sort of people who would never go near a battlefield. And as Shad said, they wouldn't need to serve a useful purpose.

@peterwall8191

3 жыл бұрын

*Chavrale* Reimond E. Feist : the rift war saga. It describes something like that. Give it a look, might give you ideas.

As always great content.

Thumbnail caught my attention the video and art didnt disappoint

Yes, female draenei paladin in bikini armour is the best paladin.

@GrandAdmThrawn

3 жыл бұрын

@@ivantruth7229 this is the way

@FlinnGaidin

3 жыл бұрын

How do you know about WoW, Thrawn? Aren't you in a galaxy far far away?

@michaelpettersson4919

3 жыл бұрын

@@FlinnGaidin He can afford an account. Everyone needs a hobby. 😉

@GrandAdmThrawn

3 жыл бұрын

@@FlinnGaidin Being a Grand Admiral has it's privileges ;)

@grandadmiralthrawn8567

3 жыл бұрын

Well said me

I had a theory about this. I noticed the "bikini" armor is only ever seen in high fantasy settings where magic is a thing or in sci-fi settings where highly advanced technology is a thing. This led me to believe that the person in question is actually wearing a full suit of armor but is using some form of magic or technology to make most of it invisible. As for why they would do this, I can think of three reasons. The first is that it's purely astetic and they just like the way it looks. On the more practical side, because the enemy can't see the armor, they would have a harder time trying to find the weak points. Also, if they were facing an inexperienced enemy who was easily distracted or shaken, then showing a little skin could cause them to think with the wrong head.

@aisir3725

3 жыл бұрын

And it may lead opponent to believe you actually aren't wearing armor

@TGPDrunknHick

3 жыл бұрын

or it just makes magic barrier. you aren't wearing much but, you basically walking around with a force field active.

@AnotherDuck

3 жыл бұрын

In many settings, armour, in particular metal armour, hinders magic from flowing, so if that's a significant part of the character's arsenal, they'd likely be wearing little if no armour.

@derrickmelton5844

3 жыл бұрын

Seeing a person wearing cloth tunics would give the same effect, raising the question as to why only scanty female armor has such properties. It doesn't hold up because A) lighter armor is more comfortable and as such everyone would be using that style of armor, male or female and B) if it is magic/tech you'd have to do some serious mental gymnastics to explain why clothes can't be worn with such a defense system. The only way to justify it is as the video states; there is some cultural precedent where showing off ones figure in combat is the norm.

@kinryuten

3 жыл бұрын

Ah the ol transmog/glamour trick

"can fantasy bikini armor be justified?" Yes. Absolutely. Of course. This is a question? "How then?" Fantasy.

I was waiting for you to mention the gladiators given the Murmillo image used. Both the Murmillo & Retiarius fought with one arm protected. Of course they were also performance art and a certain amount of damage and spectacle was expected.

It gives +50 to charisma so I can get those sweet discounts.

When it comes to female armor, I'll always remember this one artwork of a woman in mail-kini looking shocked at a woman in fullplate armor; who is just done murdering another woman in mail-kini; giving her that "yep, this is going to happen"-grin.

@Heroesflorian

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds worthy of being linked to, if you can still find it

@gabesd6697

3 жыл бұрын

Naturally, the thing to do then, is run away or climb a cliff. See how well conditioned the woman in fullplate is.

@Wveth

3 жыл бұрын

@@gabesd6697 Full plate is not nearly as heavy and encumbering as you might think. The woman in full plate would almost certainly win.

@3ternalsage

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wveth It might not be as heavy and encumbering as most people think, but the chances that someone in full plate is going to catch someone in bikini armour running away is infinitesimal.

@thekaxmax

3 жыл бұрын

@@3ternalsage there's always javelins

In my limited experience with a small-ish round shield in the SCA, the shield-side hip was actually hit a fair amount, so I can kind of imagine those weird-looking side-of-hip plates. Kind of.

Ah yes, academia. Knowledge is always interesting. Nice thumbnail! Is that the athletic or the warrior body type?

@Tree_-wp5zn

2 жыл бұрын

Athletic

Enough with the theories Shad, we all want to see you and Skall in bikini armor!

@vsm1456

3 жыл бұрын

lol :D

@samuelroveda9706

3 жыл бұрын

No, we don't 😂

I think this was a pretty straightforward approach to the topic. I've always thought that female warriors should be more physically imposing than the way they are often depicted. I also liked the point that if a culture values strength that the strong individuals would be the ones procreating and passing on their genes so that eventually the whole culture would be physically bigger and stronger individuals. Big takeaway barbarians both Male and female characters should be physically impressive and strong warriors. Not just eye candy.

@thekaxmax

3 жыл бұрын

but torso armour should still be a thing except in parades

@ashardalondragnipurake

3 жыл бұрын

dont fully agree you kindof have to play to your strengths and bulk muscle is slower then string muscle its still going to be plenty unless you are going to wrestle or something, but to stab its more then enough and stabbing faster has some great advantages

@popuptoaster

3 жыл бұрын

@@ashardalondragnipurake That depends very much on what you are fighting, we are all thinking of warriors fighting each other but in many cultures warriors spend more time hunting than fighting so if you develop big muscles from dragging buffalo around or wrestling crocodiles or dragons for some reason in your fantasy world that may just be the way warriors are built, being fast at stabbing is useful, but maybe not for everyone.

@popuptoaster

3 жыл бұрын

@@ashardalondragnipurake On another note, heavyweight boxers are pretty well muscled and still much faster than an average person, you would have to be exceptionally skilled to take one down with a knife without getting your face beaten in I suspect. I agree with the basics of your statement but think there are a lot of caveats, I have seen a very big bloke hit someone so fast his missus didn't notice and he had his other arm round her shoulders "fast" is relative!

@simontmn

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. Tiny weak looking female warriors beside huge male warriors seems much more implausible than half naked female warriors beside 3/4 naked male warriors.

Very solid video, thank you,

When worn alone, mail armor of any kind doesn't make sense. Armor has to 1.) protect from cuts; and 2.) protect from impact. Mail only does the former. Without something behind the mail. the wearer will still take bone-breaking impacts without any mitigation, and have the mail driven into his (or her) skin, to boot.

It's funny that they bring up Conan, because this was only the case in the comics and movies. In the original Howard short stories and books he generally wore whatever was the fashion in the area he was in, and was often wearing full armor (mail) in battle, not the classic "barbarian loin cloth."

@russbennett5470

3 жыл бұрын

Wich they actually did manage to do in the first movie and then completely abandoned in the second one and I've always wondered why

@Dingus_Khaan

2 жыл бұрын

@@russbennett5470 Marketing. The half-naked Arnie caught the eye a lot more.

imagine how uncomfortable the pants and mail gen Barbarians felt around the old vets

@jerichamesclammay3107

3 жыл бұрын

@@derronong9331 lol ok, fanatic

very cool video Shad

Nice video shad! I like the fashion argument. Note that Red Sonja, the comic book character famed for the chainmail bikini outfit. She is not really a barbarian. Conan is. Red Sonja is some sort of religious warrior that never beds a man unless he defeats her in honest combat first. Maybe her armor is even chasity-armor. She is extremly strong though in the comic. But if you have fantasy races that is so damn strong they can use weapons like that shown in the galleries passing by in the video. Would armor even be effective? You and Skall should bring your favouriteswords one day and add twice or thrice the weight (somehow) and then test it against the bikiniarmor. Or a shield. Maybe one can hope that the blade would glance off, but not much more. My point is there is a limit of how thick you can make armour and shields or screens and still be mobile. Say thay you add magic fireballs as a type of artillery. Then you are really in the gunpowder era. Here mobility is the best protection really. Historical and fantasy settings are different things. About arrowfire. That kind of massed archery was used at long distance in battles. Not intended for individual targets.

I love these kinds of discussions, because it gives moral busybodies less ground to stand on. The fact those people can be so outraged and offended by this kind of fiction helps me sleep at night. As Linus Torvalds once said: "I like offending people. Because offended people should be offended."

@Baalaaxa

3 жыл бұрын

I love it. He's a savage, like Conan. Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. And hear the lamentations of their women.

@DonVigaDeFierro

3 жыл бұрын

I find it hilarious that those moral busybodies are more worried for the rights and feelings of fictional characters than the rights of actual people. _"Omg, her back must hurt!1 where are her organs!?!?"_ And then proceed to celebrate the 'murican heavy load freedom burger body type...

I'm surprised Shad didn't mention the Polynesian warrior culture. They literally wore a real world equivalent of a loincloth/skirt into battle, primary weapons are spears and polearms and physicality/intimidation is a massive part of their battles.

@marvalice3455

3 жыл бұрын

Polynesian culture doesn't get enough love :(

@FlinnGaidin

3 жыл бұрын

Haka time.

@marvalice3455

3 жыл бұрын

@@FlinnGaidin yesssssssss!

Interesting thoughts about weight on body. Thank you.

There was a Fellow I used to run into at SCA events, Celtic festivals and so on, who made the most incredible chain mail clothing and jewelry. He made a really good example of armor as fashion, but I've never heard of that happening historically. That gives me some ideas for the workshop though...

I see he is starting to get ahold of the algorithm. 😂😂

11:10 "If this culture prized Metal" [Headbanging Barbarians Intensifies]

@Giles29

2 жыл бұрын

Now I am imagining an army of female Dwarves (complete with beard) wearing chainmail bikinis.

Finally; a man that's asking the important questions!

Hey Shad! You should check out @JillBearup 's videos on female armour and their practicality. Not only do I think you guys cover a lot of the same points and topics, but It'd be great to have a female perspective on the topic and I'm sure you'd agree.

"An actual Shad" You have been challenged, Sir Shad. You must meet him on the field of debattle

@boulderthefat154

3 жыл бұрын

Pommels only

Shad truly is a man of culture and I believe he should also be recognized as one of the greatest philosophical minds of the 21st century.

I just came up with the odd justification of those pauldrons used when 2-handing them big guns: Greatswords aren't really maneuverable and if you miss a hit and the opponent gets too close to you, you can't really backswing with your sword, but an unexpected shoulder ram can help you out here, and for that very purpose you might want the pauldron on your main side. So, if you take the pauldron as an always-equipped backup weapon rather than armor, it is kinda legit.

The mail bikini bloody looks good tho! :D Splendid vid!

I'd like to say that leg armor is more important in fantasy the real life just because of short creatures like kobolds and goblins. Irl you might still want something even with a shield if your enemy employed war dogs into the equation

@Ainz_Oo

2 жыл бұрын

and arrow in the knee. Leg Armor for arrows in the knee.

@dssd31

2 жыл бұрын

I am no expert. Protect against poisonous snakes is another advantage of leg armor ?

@killerbun

2 жыл бұрын

@@dssd31 yes. It's also explicitly why in some places you need cowboy boots for safety. Also scorpions

That was far more interesting and insightful than I thought possible.

I was recently thinking about some characters i'm writing, and how their attire changes thru the course of the story, reflecting their needs. A lot of good points here! Now, i'm thinking in the case of 'bikini armor' to be practical, would not be a thong as popularly depicted. Instead it would be more like athletic apparel. Most likely a base layer of leather or a durable fabric, with plate, chainmail, or a combination of the two for the outer layer. The 'cosmetic chainmail' you described, made for aesthetic appeal and not for combat, would 9/10 be a lousy choice to wear in combat. That said, i can see those who can afford it, having it for appeal/status, to project power, and possibly a few reasons i haven't thought of.

These considerations were very interesting. My thought is, is that most of the practical considerations, like we see here, were lost in the transition from tabletop to video games. Both systems make an abstraction, but video games are far more limited in the scope of that abstraction, because they can't do everything, or address every situation. TT can through negotiation and reason plot out a lot of these things, and it would happen to various degrees. Video games people roll with the hand given, and stopped thinking about it altogether I think.

As my wife often say: "I want to believe that I am damn hot and sexy! Just as guys like to believe they are buff and hot, we also want to see ourselves being hot beyond belief." I could not agree more. US military today allowed make-up and lipstick for women combatants! Today! Not a joke, google it. It is the law! So if we allow today make-up in combat for the only visible skin part of a woman, then what's stopping you from doing the same "beautification" for a barbarian woman? It may also come as a very bold and intimidating move. Just as the Highlanders or Germanic "barbaric" tribes had men that went in the battle naked, or half naked, in a display of force and bravado, so then female warriors can do! They could be "sexy and hot" just to signal to others "I can take you all while looking like that! Better beware!" That or to attract the opposite gender, that will appreciate both their physique and their appeal.

@Kelorin

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty well summarizes the entire character of Red Sonja.

@raideurng2508

3 жыл бұрын

Make-up, to a degree, is allowed in the Dress and Appearance standards, which does not generally change in combat environments. Just keep in mind its very conservative make-up, so natural tones only, no hot pink or red.

@cristitanase6130

3 жыл бұрын

@@raideurng2508 So far. Regardless they get a beautification in combat, therefore the point stands.

@victorsmoebaumann6040

3 жыл бұрын

I think the problem is in assuming everyone has the same motivations. As I guy, whether I’m interested in identifying with a buff guy depends entirely on the world building, character and if it’s a game, play style. For example huge part of what makes Elric of Melniboné an interesting character, is how weak and frail he is on his own. If you portray him as a buff dude, you ruin it. The other aspect to me for immersion, and e.g. why I got utterly bored by the last 2-3 seasons of GoT and pretty much every superhero movie, is if actions don’t have consequences. So I’d love if a game would allow me to storm into combat naked with nothing but face paint, giving me an agility and endurance bonus. But if I’m not skilled and extremely careful about my moves, I should be losing limbs left and right. Doesn’t mean it has to be completely realistic, but just give a sense that there is something at stake when making decisions. I have no problem with over the top physiques and sexiness, but if everyone does the same, it becoming a bunch of cliches, and looks/designs are just completely detached from everything else, it just gets bland to me. And that doesn’t just apply to women characters. I had a hard time getting into Sons Of Anarchy at first watch due to parts of the male cast looking much more like hand cream models than bikers.

@cristitanase6130

3 жыл бұрын

@@victorsmoebaumann6040 Is a game of numbers, most men want this type, you're a minority. But there are plenty of games that offer body customizations and you can create your ideal character. That being said, all romantic movies have tall, handsome, rich duded in them. Not a single poor fat middle aged dude as the love interest. They do have other types of course, but just to support the woman while getting to the tall handsome and rich guy, or as a comedic relief "look a the fat shorty trying to pick up the girl, lol". So, yeah. That too...