Many of you are saying you wish I talked more in-depth about bet-sizing in multiway pots. Here's a newsletter I sent out about mastering multiway pots: www.philgalfond.com/articles/mastering-multi-way-pots My readers don't "click off" when I get more in-depth, so they usually go beyond my KZread videos strategically. Please subscribe if you enjoy it!

@Petty-Cash

3 ай бұрын

Thank you

@Jesters_Thorny_Crown

3 ай бұрын

I think there are essentially 2 types of viewers. Those who like just the action and those who like the action + strategy. It may be worth creating your content with the strategy, then editing a short from that for those who just like to see the action. I personally tune in for the analysis, as I enjoy the sport and learn from watching and listening. Thanks for taking the time to make these. You are one of the best out there.

@philippk574

3 ай бұрын

Great Blog. Thanks!

@hypnosishelps6173

3 ай бұрын

The newsletter article on multiway pots is brilliant. In fact all of the newsletters are very, very good. Thanks Phil!

It makes me so happy to hear that people click off when a GOAT talks theory, poker will never die

@funkgremlin2765

3 ай бұрын

This is too real. Every time Phil starts rambling I get 5% better at poker without fail

Don't think Jimmy should be talking as much as he is in this hand...

@lucybang65

3 ай бұрын

Yeah that was awful

@iamamish

3 ай бұрын

If I'm Nick, I'm pissed

@canadianbakn

3 ай бұрын

Yep etiquette really says you shouldn't be talking in a multi-way spot like this with action behind but nobody's going to tap the glass.

@LebronCCP

3 ай бұрын

He’s a rec, there’s def some leeway

@iamamish

3 ай бұрын

@@LebronCCP yeah if he's a rec Nick probably expects to gain more in the long run than he's going to lose due to his loose table talk

Building a 5-way raised pot with top and bottom two pair is a fast track to bankrupcy. On what run out does that play work? I get raising enough to fold people out, but that didnt happen. It was simply a pot builder. 1-D level play.

Hillarious how Jimmy D played his hand better than Berkey even though he seems 10 beers in

@davidcapeeko7376

3 ай бұрын

along with some ketamine from what I've heard as well hah

Very surprised none of the analysis discussed the ton of information that Jimmy gave off before folding. He was already over the line but saying "I think I'm priced in" gives even more away. He also said something I couldn't quite hear that the rest of the table said "don't say that", maybe specifically that he had Kx with fdraw?

@neversulky

3 ай бұрын

I think he said "My King is dead". Quite poor etiquette

@ncinlv1507

3 ай бұрын

good point, remember negreanu "everything you do conveys information" lol

Phil, I love it when you get into the weeds. But at the same time I guess it’s not entertaining for mass audience? Maybe consider doing a “deeper dive” series/version?

@Petty-Cash

3 ай бұрын

Some youtubers do lose me in the weeds but Phil Galfond is one of the few I always watch to the end. Also I think multi way flops are one of the more neglected spots in tutorial videos.

@iamamish

3 ай бұрын

He has to be careful. That sounds like a great idea but if a reasonable percentage of his viewers don’t watch those videos then his overall engagement numbers drop and it can hurt his channel. That’s one reason you see a lot of content creators create side channels for certain content. Phil would probably want to do something similar.

6:44 When you forget protection and have a one night stand

@HighTide_808

3 ай бұрын

lol

@jeffshackleford3152

3 ай бұрын

I don't get it

@haydnmclennan4739

3 ай бұрын

you definitely dont get it 😂@@jeffshackleford3152

@Eseferna

3 ай бұрын

✋️😂

@loco4dogg

3 ай бұрын

@@jeffshackleford3152 Just stick it in and hope for the best.

Honestly I don't understand Berkey's call here at all especially considering this was his LAST bullet apparently. He's just never up against anything worse or even draws. Especially with Jimmy talking, Berkey had a golden opportunity to put Nick on basically a made nuts hand rather than a big draw. Not sure what's going through his head tbh.

I knew Berkey would call before watching a video. He always ends up finding a reason to call.

@bigSnayFan

3 ай бұрын

😂

@iansane1928

3 ай бұрын

Gets stacked and leaves the show. Berkey always seems to be a one bullet kinda guy which I find extremely odd for a "pro" player that has a "training program"

@BirdmanPRRT

3 ай бұрын

Been watching him for years...hes just not that good at the game in really big spots.

@alexsze9136

3 ай бұрын

Same hahaha

@pahakuutti

3 ай бұрын

Nick Schulman does not appear to have a good poker face here. Once he shoves all in on the turn, it becomes apparent he was feigning weakness on the flop. A good player would have noticed.

I would appreciate a technical deep dive by you very much! I think you are one of the most talented poker analysts and the way you think and talk about hands has given me more insights into complex poker hands than pretty much all poker creators. Thanks for the great content! I'll take as much Galfond content as I can get!!

I'm interested in learning more about theoretically sound poker!

@hylens5111

3 ай бұрын

Yes. It enhances the hand breakdowns imo.

@synchronium24

3 ай бұрын

Taking the Comedy Theory Optimal line I see.

@kaitlynjeffers

3 ай бұрын

@@synchronium24 I'm being sincere I want to hear more theory :(

Loved the analysis, Phil.

Irrespective of this hand alone, from whatever poker I've seen Berkey play, he's more of a calling station than not. Was never expecting him to find the fold here.

@mmfb88

3 ай бұрын

Yeah he sucks. This is not news.

@mattdonovan5732

3 ай бұрын

​@mmfb88 yeah, totally sucks. Had only made his living from poker for about 2 decades lol.

@mmfb88

3 ай бұрын

There are poker players out there making a “living” grinding millions of hands per year winning .5 bb/100 and living off of rake back. Are they good?

@mattdonovan5732

3 ай бұрын

@@mmfb88 they're better than 98% of all players world wide, so yeah. Someone doesn't have to be "good" enough to beat $100-$200 online at 9bb/100 to be a good player. The guy has supported himself fully from poker for nearly 2 decades. And he does it as stakes most only dream they could play once. But sure, "he sucks" because he isn't one of the 10 best alive.

@mmfb88

3 ай бұрын

Post his graph fan boy. That’s the only thing that matters in this conversation.

Awesome stuff, Phil. Thank you.

Absolutely love your analysis of hands

@PhilGalfond

3 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Great breakdown, Thanks Phil!~

Best poker channel on KZread, keep em’ coming Phil 👍

I'd love to see a video on Multi way hands. I feel like there's not enough info on playing them properly, given how common they are, especially in live and low stakes games (particularly live streamed games). Also, could you give some insight on why in these livestreamed games you'll see people VPIPing so high? Even players regarded to be the best in the world are playing hands far outside the opening ranges accepted by theory.

@mmfb88

3 ай бұрын

Cause they want to get invited back. Nobody wants to play with GTO nits.

@BortSamsung

3 ай бұрын

The other person is right, streams are trying to produce entertaining content first and foremost. Phil actually has a video about this where he is invited to High Stakes Poker, they make fun of him at the table for playing a normal range ("How do you spell nit? P-H-I-L" - Sam Farha I think), then he isn't invited back.

@Petty-Cash

3 ай бұрын

How often are they playing with the sponsors money? We all get to watch the worlds best playing terribly and think 'well im better than THAT!' And we head online to play ...

Great content as always.

Love your channel! Thanks for the video. I was wondering, what do you think about how much Jimmy revealed before folding? As a game runner at a high stakes TV game, do you keep the action players loose by letting them affect the game like that or do you keep the integrity zipped up by addressing the action-influencing language?

Please make a video about quarter sized bets!

Love these !

15 seconds in and I love the editing already. 3 Phils is amazing lol.

@PhilGalfond

3 ай бұрын

All credit goes to the team! (I'll take credit for picking the team)

I love any video where matt Berkey is getting stacked.😊😊. He has the most inflated sense of self worth it's unreal. Dudes a bad reg at best. How he has the nerve to charge to train people at poker I will never understand.

I’d love to hear more about small sizing multi way. My intuition says to go 2/3 on this board multiway with all the draws + unblocking kings. Shockingly, it seems you may still have more to teach me Phil

@mmfb88

3 ай бұрын

Solver loves to bet 1/3 or smaller in these spots.

@danielmahusky5780

3 ай бұрын

I'm with you John But I'd elect full or overbet pot Just like you said unblocking top pair plus straight and flush draws available Plus nobody folds anymore

@johnmorgan233

3 ай бұрын

​@@mmfb88solvers have simulated family pots ?

@mmfb88

3 ай бұрын

Phil ran some 4 way sims the link is pinned in this video up top@@johnmorgan233

I know you said Jimmy makes a good disciplined fold, but with the action surely it is a call with the pot odds he is getting. In this spot specifically his flush will almost always be good if it comes in as the other two don’t have much Ax of spades in their range with the action building up to Jimmy’s decision

@AtomicAndi

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, weird that Phil did not do any math/estimate here, as it is very close imo. (probably bc it's not the main villain/topic) KQss is obv priced in unless one opponent has a set and the other the nut-fd. Which needs to be more often than ~30% to make the fold good.

havnt watched this yet but as a regular watcher of s4y podcast and listening to berks saying just pay for the last few weeks i am guessing the answer is no he cant fold lol

We do want you to make a video about when is wich sizing optimal. Its always confusing. Esspecialy when you are not fimiliar with solver or you just dont like to use it bcs im suppoused to take it for granted without disscusion. Id like to see that explaind in general. Persay if u have toppair/set/strongdraws/weakdraws in multipot against one opponent and in signle raised and 3betet pots.

Shame folks abandon when phil goes deep. That's literally why this is one of my favorite poker channels

Phil do you think hearing that the guy had a King influenced Berkeys decision at all? Supposed U didn’t mention it

I'd definitely like a video about betting small, "theoretical sizing" in PLO, multiway.

Hey Phil, I would like if you could review the hand where you get bluffed by Bill Klein on HSP. Thanks!

@PhilGalfond

3 ай бұрын

Hey, I've actually filmed this one - it's in the editing queue 😊 The video is going to include other hands too, but the hand will appear in my third and final part of this 'High Stakes Poker' series: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gqidxs6wkqycabg.html

@Pisco514

3 ай бұрын

Sweet, thanks!@@PhilGalfond

Love watching Berkey Punt off his stack...

I’m defiantly not taking Berkay’s courses!!

Jow Jman first of all always down to to get into the weeds my man love the content ! will check out the pinnend comment for sure ! second: a bit off topic but whats actually in the left side of the scale behind you that makes it not equal ? :-D ! keep the content comming !

"Jimmy's got a big decision! Jimmy doesn't know what to do!!!" Jimmy should keep quiet while there are others still in the pot. Jimmy should also take his psych meds as prescribed.

agreed, playing berkey's exact hand OOP in a 3 way pot this deep, soooo many turns/rivers are crazy hard to play, even the large % of the time his hand is good on flop.

@jasonbatteiger2421

3 ай бұрын

hehehe, jimmy doesn't appear to notice that till the turn bet comes, hehehe, albeit i've seen this stream, he's on a good bit of some sort of strong THC/alcohol at least.

Matt I'm dead Berkey

@mmfb88

3 ай бұрын

Hi This is Matt "I'm dead" Berkey. Come sign up for my training site so I can teach you how to be dead EVERY time you call a big all in!!!

i was literally in a similar spot with k5dd yesterday.. utg opens to 20 small & me defend flop 6h5c2d turn Kc he bet pot pot & i checked raised the turn he snaps with 22

Could you explain more why betting small in multi-way pots is more optimal than larger sizing?

@danielmahusky5780

3 ай бұрын

I disagree but what do I know Maybe the idea is perceived that you're weak and get raised But in this specific hand with middle set You unblock top pair Plus flush and straight draws available I'd elect to full or overbet pot with Nick's hand

@samueldelcastilloguerra2063

3 ай бұрын

It's about combined MDF. By betting small, u force each individual player to find combos to defend with that they won't, thus making the mistake of overfolding in practice(even in theory each player has to overfold because of the players left to act) . If u bet too big in these mway spots, villains can fold everything but the very top of their ranges, and it would be mathematically correct. Also by betting small like that u can find a few more vbets and semibluffs w equity in ur range instead of ubernuts only( denying a lot more eq to the field and taking advg of great fold eq for a very low risk)

So why is a quarter sized flop bet the best here? What kind of variables change it to a worse option, if any?

@chuckjay

3 ай бұрын

You want a size that allows your opponents to raise, as that gives you information. If you just blast full pot, it takes that aspect away.

@BaenGeiwn

3 ай бұрын

​@@chuckjay I suppose this applies to your whole range? I don't feel like the info of villains' holdings is that useful when we have our best holding (arguably better than the top set).

I would love to hear the theory!

5:45 " and sometimes he's going to be up against a nut flush draw, which has him in a much worse shape" .....i don't think so because if he was drawing vs nut flush, he's ahead with his king.

Definitly would love the galfond explination on why using small sizes in multi way pot !!! Dont understand why people click off. Im definitly here to improve my game as much as possible. And for the time being i cant afford to pay 1k for a god damn traning site. Thank you phil!

@samueldelcastilloguerra2063

3 ай бұрын

It's about combined MDF. By betting small, u force each individual player to find combos to defend with that they won't, thus making the mistake of overfolding in practice(even in theory each player has to overfold because of the players left to act) . If u bet too big in these mway spots, villains can fold everything but the very top of their ranges, and it would be mathematically correct. Also by betting small like that u can find a few more vbets and semibluffs w equity in ur range instead of ubernuts only( denying a lot more eq to the field and taking advg of great fold eq for a very low risk)

Bad Call plain and simple. Alarm bells would have went off in my head when Nick called the raise on the flop

the intro 😂🤣

Very poor form from Jimmy. Idc if he's a "rec". He's giving Berk a ton of free info about his hand allowing Berk to make a much better decision against Nick.

@princeofpower8413

3 ай бұрын

And yet he still made the wrong one lol. Solve for Whyyyyyyyyy?

Nice! Matt had all the information he needed but couldn't piece it all together. If you watch Schulman's hand when he calls the flop raise you can even see him trembling slightly, almost fumbling his chips. That's a strong tell he has a monster (or is overly caffeinated). He even goes for the drink too, a sign of confidence, but that could just be him trying to give a reverse tell. I would assume Nick knows his stuff enough to mix his table mannerisms tells up. Anyway, I'm sure a player like Dwan would be able to guess that Jimmy has a king with a flush draw from the table talk and reactions and find the fold. But Berkey aint no Dwan.

Combinatorically is now my new trendy word I'm using at my local 1/2

That’s generally how it goes when you get all the money in with K5s.

We don't click away when you get into the weeds, give us that please 🙏😺 Good analysis nonetheless, good to hear about multiway pots as they occur so often in the stakes most of us play..

In heads up hand it's a call I think. In multiway and especially this one it's a fold... I mean it's quite obvious that Jimmy is folding something big. Never folds set. So it's either better top 2, 76 spades or exactly what he has.

If only there were online poker training for this type of spot

keep the GTO talks!

I personally really enjoy getting into the weeds but I'm likely not the average KZread viewer.

Ignoring results, the KQs laydown was really impressive. It was very likely that he is facing a nutted made hand and a nut flush draw given the action. As the short stack you have to beat both, and it was very unlikely in that scenario.

Berkey a fish. Played every street wrong.

Question for you Phil. In Poker, especially with a lot of Successes, it's easy to get an Inflated Ego. Which can become a complete Detriment to ones game. How have you avoided letting your poker success completely inflate Your Ego and stay as humble as you are?

@PhilGalfond

3 ай бұрын

Thank you for the kind words! I think my natural state is far too little self-confidence, so my success has brought me up to an average level of belief in myself!

@danielmeuler2877

3 ай бұрын

@@PhilGalfond Well I am happy to return the favor. You actually had some really nice and encouraging words for me a while back. It really meant a lot coming from you. So Thank you for everything you Give Back to the game.

Kep playing king shyt cause ots soooooted Then dust off what 500 plus bigs

Was rooting for Berkey to get stacked before I watched but ended up feeling bad for him lol nasty spot.

I would love to hear more about why a small bet from Nick on flop is correct. Also agree with others about how bad Jimmy's table talk is. What an ass.

@mmfb88

3 ай бұрын

Solver loves betting 1/3 or smaller in multi way single raised pots

@tommyfu9271

3 ай бұрын

@@mmfb88 he said WHY not what does it say.

Every time I see Berky play he is always over valuing his hands, being a calling station, and tilting. Yeah really makes me want to sign up for his training site….

@Samuel88853

3 ай бұрын

Nobody signing up for his site, thats why he rages against John Little. He played this so bad. should have folded pre, horrible raise on the flop multiway and horrible bet and call on the turn when it was obvious he was not in good shape if you have a minimum of hand reading abilty.

@mmfb88

3 ай бұрын

Yup massive punt. Phil is too kind in these videos.

@matthewwestcott9138

3 ай бұрын

​@mmfb88 Yeah. I respect Phil, but just being like: "Well I wasn't there, must be some reason he punted off a hundred K" is ridiculous. I know they're friends but even so.

I mean how do not rip it in there on flop with Jimmy's hand

How does Jimmy not reraise shove the flop?

Phil, I don't understand how it's not a bad call. Are you being nice? What does he beat especially given that other guy pretty much announced he had a flush draw

to answer your question: not in this pot apparently

Jimmy proves that money can’t solve all a persons problem

so berkster is putting him on a combo draw that he won't simply take 2 to 1 with and would rather move in with, seems unlikely to me

Get into the weeds, screw the people who don’t wanna learn

Too generous to Berkey I think

Solve for why he would call that easy fold ?

sometimes you get the ol' king five off and you just have to pay

youre being way too nice Phil, Berkeys turn sizing was utterly stupid and you know it

Make the videos the way you want to make them, if youtube is just a side hustle for you, there's no reason to fully optimize for maximum algorithm effectiveness. Don't give in to that, nor to the negative comments on your popular shorts by people who don't even decide themselves what they want to watch. Your non-algorithm core viewers are here exactly for your deeper insights.

worst call ever

I live in the weeds

Jimmy would not be in bad shape Against a nut flushdraw on the turn🤓

It's impossible for you to get too deep into the weeds. The more nitty gritty you go, the more I enjoy it and get out of the video. Now, I realize that you don't do these videos for fun only, in that your time is valuable. And as such need to cater to your average viewer. Maybe do something like half you analysis videos keeping it simple, and then go deeeeep with the other half? I would think, and hope, it's also more interesting for you to create, if you do more than just scratch the surface.

Nick is the poker dude. Get rekt

that jimmy dude is insufferable

The real lesson to be taught here is you should not and cannot talk about the hand when it’s 3 or more players in the pot.

Phil, you're being extremely generous to Berkey here. 1. He shouldn't be cold calling $600 pre multi-way with K5s, and 2. That was a terrible call on the river. I know Berkey's your friend, but c'mon, he played this hand like poorly

My ass Galfold folds. But maybe he folds preflop which makes sense but no way he folds in Berkey’s spot

No get into the weeds

This isn’t a cooler.

Since when it’s ok to talk during a multiway hand?? This isn’t okay

Berkey is a total fish compared to any decent pro

not cool by Jimmy

Jimmy's decision on the turn is interesting because of the specifics of his hand. IF he's up against the nut flush then he's actually in great shape - he'll win the hand over 80% of the time! If he's not against a flush, but instead trips or two pair (or in this case, both!), then he has outs to make the best hand. Of course he has to worry about the board pairing but critically none of his flush outs would also pair the board. Multiway theory is weird so I have no idea what the theoretically correct decision would be - Phil says it is a fold so I'm sure that is right, but I don't know that I see that very clearly myself.

@jc624

3 ай бұрын

Heads-up pretty sure it's a snap. But when you're guaranteed facing two opponents there's a chance you're dead in 2 spots.

@iamamish

3 ай бұрын

@@jc624 yeah multiway it is so much more complicated and risky

@coleclemens1232

3 ай бұрын

⁠@@jc624how would he be drawing dead in 2 spots?

@princeofpower8413

3 ай бұрын

If he is up against a set and nut flush draw then he is dead unless he goes perfect perfect against mid or bottom set

@iamamish

3 ай бұрын

@@princeofpower8413 yes the compound nature of the problem makes it really interesting. You have to think you're against either: 1. Multiple sets/two pair 2. One set/two pair, and nut flush 3. Nut flush and lower flush Against that compound range of hands you're in pretty bad shape, but against any 1, you're doing OK.

Snap fold on the turn. Berkey hand is so dead haha. I mean bro that call is just awfull sorry. Is such an easy fold xD

Sorry, quarter bet is horrible. Giving a profitable price for a flush to call is incorrect.

Phil I think you’re wrong about one thing you said. Berkey is not a good player, you know it. He’s a $2-$5 player skill wise. He has no shot against players like you and Schulman. I know you’re trying to be nice but come on now.

Jimmy talk really so much aha

A decent amount of games have a Jimmy at the table. They bleed money, but damn, can they be annoying. Awesome video Phil!

Its disgusting how jimmy acts here 3 way with a player to act behind weird how nobody at the table mrntions it. I dont get how u can call here though i play nl200-nl400 for a living and in berkys shoes im betting pot alot on the turn because the shove is pretty much always a set if shoved upon.

Pot control turn 3 ways hard to get value from worse. Berkey is terrible stacking off on this turn

@mmfb88

3 ай бұрын

Yeah he’s not good. This is not news.

@thesauce4646

3 ай бұрын

@@mmfb88 BBBbreaking news

Jimmy should rip flop this short to realize his equity and maybe get two pair to fold.

Berkey is a fish

Jimmy needs to shut up - poor form