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@marcevanstein16 күн бұрын
The full music of Fourier Elise is here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/rKVnlMSCpceZf7A.html And to hear me Fourier-roll you with more circle music, you can subscribe to my Patreon: www.patreon.com/posts/fourier-astlise-103232956 Oh, and of course a free way to support my channel (and do something positive for your brain!) is to head to brilliant.org/MarcEvanstein. Literally just clicking and exploring helps me out.
@haarisarain5048
14 күн бұрын
Is there a program that lets me also use circles to make music?
@pridepotato31427 күн бұрын
2:58 You just had to didn't you...
@Alceste_
27 күн бұрын
I didn't get it. :c
@official-obama
27 күн бұрын
@@Alceste_ if you ignore the lower pitched notes, it sounds like a slow rickroll
@marcevanstein
27 күн бұрын
I did, yes. I will never stop being that guy.
@Alceste_
27 күн бұрын
Crazy how just a note here and there made it unrecognizable to me. '-'
@pridepotato314
27 күн бұрын
@@marcevanstein Well I guess I will never get this from any other... mathamusician
@asdfghjkl175527 күн бұрын
Fourier Elise
@Naeddyr
27 күн бұрын
I am 100% sure "Fourier Elise" came first, and the idea for the video came second.
@awaredeshmukh3202
27 күн бұрын
LOVED that!!
@davyzeradaspalmera
24 күн бұрын
Führer Elise
@Boxland_27 күн бұрын
The Steve Mould reference is so good.Completely out of the blue, but a perfect fit.
@eliaskirkwood
27 күн бұрын
So true
@thomicrisler9855
24 күн бұрын
I cracked up so hard at it. xD
@NotGabe001
3 күн бұрын
As a Steve Mould viewer, I didn't get it
@ddogg925527 күн бұрын
That random angle one looks like he's having so much fun
@Somerandomjingleberry
25 күн бұрын
Me when I anthropomorphize abstract symbols (contextualizing what amounts to “noise” into something we can understand is fundamental to the human experience)
@murfburffle27 күн бұрын
"Thanks for all the circles, Beethoven" - Elise
@daan80427 күн бұрын
Ok, now do through the fire and flames.
@Tsaukpaetra
27 күн бұрын
Should only need a few million circles, surely...
@multilk6399
27 күн бұрын
would it count if you split the song into progressions/circles for each separate instrument and then just charting them separately?
@daan804
27 күн бұрын
@multilk6399 i guess, i mean, if you don't, then every instrument sounds the same as well, so it would just sound mediocre.
@CalebTibster
25 күн бұрын
At the very least, we need the opening hammer-ons
@johnchessant301227 күн бұрын
2:59 Fourier rickroll
@unebaguette9745
26 күн бұрын
Shh don't spoil!
@trippstreehouse27 күн бұрын
I wish you showed the entire traced path as a shape.
@gamedog9542
27 күн бұрын
Agreed
@korok2619
22 күн бұрын
there are tons though
@The_Scapes27 күн бұрын
this is something that inspires me to learn math
@kiwipomegranate
27 күн бұрын
"What instrument do you play?" "Math."
@therandomguy1701
27 күн бұрын
Aight bet. After 10 years, reply to this comment if you learned math.
@The_Scapes
27 күн бұрын
@@therandomguy1701 really thankful for this inspiring comment man, for sure 😏, already on my way 😁, I've already finished the introduction to complex numbers and other stuff
@The_Scapes
27 күн бұрын
@@therandomguy1701 just be kind enough to remind me back
@whannabi
26 күн бұрын
@@The_Scapesdaily reminder to learn math
@storerestore25 күн бұрын
5:05 Turn Beethoven into Chopin with this One Simple Trick
@Kram103225 күн бұрын
Oh this is *almost* what I've been hoping for. I was hoping you'd find a path such that your speed-based approach of placing notes happens to match the rhythm too
@TYsdrawkcaB27 күн бұрын
this is SO SICK!! i love the wobbly elise
@Cyril29a
27 күн бұрын
It really is
@7thgeneration90327 күн бұрын
Theres an old video about someone converting all sounds in songs into a midi piano, or at least thats what I think they did, I'm not too familiar with music. But the thing is, in the video, the recognisability of the lyrics are maintained only if you are familiar with the source material, otherwise you can only tell there is 'speech', and thats only because I was looking to hear speech I suppose... I suspect a similar thing could be happening here, the more you've heard Für Elise the more some of your experiments will sound like Für Elise.
@marcevanstein
27 күн бұрын
I know this phenomenon well! When I've made music/art out of mangled speech, it's often been really hard to tell how well someone who's never heard the speech will be able to make sense of it.
@samsamson3315
19 күн бұрын
@@marcevanstein Oftentimes I can't even understand lyrics in the original song until I look them up lol. A related thing is the way in which expectations play a big part in what we hear (see: Mondegreens, "misheard lyrics" videos).
@phyphor24 күн бұрын
Your later pieces are what you get when a mathematician jazz pianist is asked to play a classic
@user-xm2lh5fu3p27 күн бұрын
Please PLEASE make a piano concerto using circles, that would be insane.
@jneal415425 күн бұрын
"Fourier Elise" was an excellent, excellent pun.
@roytee312724 күн бұрын
Fascinating and very original take on Fourier analysis. It brings mind that the ancient Greeks and later Ptolemy were trying to do something like this with the observed motions of planets in the sky. The planets appear to move at variable speeds and even exhibit retrograde ("backwards") motion. The ancient astronomers built complex models of epicycles (like these) to characterize what amounted to a complicated recurring wave of planetary position. Following the Copernican Revolution, which described planetary motions in terms of gravitation and elliptical orbits, the Ptolemaic epicycles came to be derided as a scientific dead end. But it looks like the ancient astronomers dimly sensed what Fourier formalized, and this video illustrates.
@romeolz27 күн бұрын
I know a microtonal scale when I hear one
@official-obama
27 күн бұрын
wasn't it snapped to the original notes of fur elise?
@Dune4915
27 күн бұрын
@@official-obama You didn't watch the whole video did you ?
@official-obama
27 күн бұрын
@@Dune4915 uhh, i did? was he talking about the pulsing circles?
@marcevanstein
27 күн бұрын
Ha ha! I can't remember if I mentioned it in a footnote, but in the final music with the pulsing circles, I was using a just scale, "rationalized" from the pitches of Fur Elise, using Clarence Barlow's method. Maybe I should talk about that sometime. I think it makes a big difference honestly
@roytee3127
24 күн бұрын
(moved)
@LetsMars25 күн бұрын
3:55 “Das Lied, das nie endet” …or “The song that never ends” I knew learning German would pay off one day.
@intranexine8901
22 күн бұрын
Yes it goes on and on my friend (:
@TotallyDapper
16 күн бұрын
Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was
@SidShakal
15 күн бұрын
and they'll continue singing it forever just because
@bloodredflower443725 күн бұрын
At one point it honestly sounded like Liszt wrote Für Elise
@dagamusik27 күн бұрын
Sometimes it sounds like "La Campanella"
@ferchrissakes24 күн бұрын
“A sort of Fourier Elise” Jail. Now. You.
@vanhavirta27 күн бұрын
This could be a backround music generator in a game!
@snelake26 күн бұрын
This is actually one of the most well made and just plain cool videos I have seen on youtube. You deserve way more subs!
@SimpPro10146 минут бұрын
This certainly was a circle video of all time
@dyneeoh642527 күн бұрын
Utterly fascinating. Your channel is a gem. Thank you for this
@4stringed24 күн бұрын
Your videos bring back curiosity and enjoyment in my life. Thank you!
@katabatica27 күн бұрын
That was mind-blowingly awesome!
@kiligir26 күн бұрын
"...a kind of Fourier Elise, if you will..." I will not! I refuse! How dare you! (great video)
@JoshuaWillis8927 күн бұрын
You've just made your way into my lessons over polar functions.
@laalpattharkedevata27 күн бұрын
_If it can play Fur Elise, then it definitely can play Rush E._ Edit: MOM IM FAMOUS
@luigidabro
27 күн бұрын
*Für
@KaneyoriHK
27 күн бұрын
@@luigidabro Not everyone knows how to type that or can.
@calford2001
27 күн бұрын
@@luigidabro you still understood what that person meant tho, which means a correction wasn't necessary.
@DiggyPT
26 күн бұрын
No it can't because it can't play more than one note at a time
@luigidabro
26 күн бұрын
@@KaneyoriHK then it can also be replaced by a "Fuer"
@ManekaAgarwal25 күн бұрын
Bagging a Brilliant sponsorship this early is a big achievement in my opinion! Keep it up man, this channel's gonna go viral, I can feel it.
@scrambledmandible26 күн бұрын
ABSOLUTELY need an ambient album based on the pulsing circles
@majapaja_
16 күн бұрын
It reminded me of chapter 11 of the half life alyx OST maybe check that out
@danpreston56425 күн бұрын
This is glorious. Having owned a lot of sequencers, working in a lot of different ways, I can fully see this kind of thing being included alongside things like Euclidean sequencing in future machines.
@ale14zoppi20 күн бұрын
Absolutely incredible! The final part where the drones pulsate in a weird way which is still somehow coherent to the density of piano notes being played, sounds fantastic. That concept would be great for like, a soundtrack or a sound design for something. Idk if you're into electroacoustic music but that feels like something like it. Analyse, modify, resynthesize!
@mikeciul859915 күн бұрын
This is the perfect balance of nerdiness and musicality.
@RickyMud26 күн бұрын
I like seeing that between the high and low notes instead of appearing on the peak they’re on the way up and down from them
@MerderMarderInMyHead2 күн бұрын
"He's gonna be a mathematician one day or another" "No, he's gonna be a musician!"
@PatGBass23 күн бұрын
Fascinating video and channel as a whole.
@vctr752427 күн бұрын
thanks for your videos ! youre a genius!
@nologin537527 күн бұрын
Would love to see a version with more of the song included, definitely would not envy you having to optimize your circle rending code for potentially hundreds of circles though
@prasaddash513927 күн бұрын
This video revived my intrests❤
@0hellow797
27 күн бұрын
It’s tough sometimes but vids like these keep me working and moving 👍
@marcevanstein
27 күн бұрын
Aw, I appreciate these comments. It means a lot to me actually, because it takes so much effort to make videos like this and knowing it is motivating to other people is motivating to me!
@0hellow797
27 күн бұрын
@@marcevanstein it all comes full circle lolol But thank u for spending the time and energy, producings not easy for sure ❤️❤️
@gilmoses377727 күн бұрын
Absolutely brilliant! Please release the code for us to create our own!
@olived956025 күн бұрын
This is an amazing video, so interesting and well done!
@ChrisChapin_chapes27 күн бұрын
Upload three theme and variations as it's own video!! This was mesmerizing
@user-ss6fn3kj1u25 күн бұрын
This is amazing. I love this project and want to see you do more. One thing I'd like to see: - If the pitch of each note is tied only to the radial distance from the origin r, surely we can use the angle theta in some musical way too - For example, could we play rhythm (e.g. crotchets) using the angle theta like a metronome to keep time? And what would the result look like when imposing this constraint for Fur Elise? - Taking it further, what would your animation look like if you took the melody (r) and more complex rhythms (theta - e.g. hihat part) together? Could we see any patterns that point towards whether a song is catchy or not? (would love to see this with the introduction to It Runs Through Me by Tom Misch)
@shadowfox122121 күн бұрын
As soon as you added the extra notes between the originals, I already could no longer make out the source tune.
@cosmiccowboy344212 күн бұрын
The flowing variation made me think of that crazy piano breakdown in Hedwig's Theme. I bet that would be a fun song to do with circles.
@aylabennett478127 күн бұрын
This is Underrated.
@shrewdagency658827 күн бұрын
Next level unlocked 🎉 - remarkable 👏 This should be the type of method used to generate background music in sci fi tv shows. Would feel more realistic.
@goodguyamr699623 күн бұрын
it took me a second to realize I was rickrolled, but props to you, my guy
@sam_bamalam26 күн бұрын
Oh my gosh, you could make such ENGAGING installations using the pulses and exporting the piano line to a MIDI controlled piano with the visuals displayed. I'd seriously consider making that happen!!!!
@marcevanstein
26 күн бұрын
I definitely will. It's a great idea!
@WarttHog
25 күн бұрын
Oh man, I bet lookmomnocomputer would love this idea!
@lucassiccardi876427 күн бұрын
Beautiful!
@exhumus25 күн бұрын
This. Is. Amazing.
@zippythinginvention25 күн бұрын
Fascinating.
@DissonantSynth24 күн бұрын
Spectacular
@phlosen78549 күн бұрын
That fade to white almost killed my retinas :)
@andrewmalanowicz220725 күн бұрын
Can you do a video about the harmonic relationship between planets in our solar system?
@intranexine890122 күн бұрын
There should be a VST for this, I want to use this in my DAW
@HuxleysShaggyDog22 күн бұрын
>circle >can it... >Yes Fourier Transforms Can Do It
@Falconer575217 күн бұрын
7:11 ok now I need the sound file with just the component circles! It sounds so beautiful and ominous...
@mauriciog.960725 күн бұрын
Great video! ❤ Can you continue with Bach?
@phlosen78549 күн бұрын
"What music do you like?" "That's not an easy questioni to answere... How familliar are you with FFT and Circles?"
@Ryuusei92424 күн бұрын
fourier series was one of my favorite electrical engineering topics + i love experimental music theory videos (you even guessed the exact 3blue1brown video i had in mind at the start). anyways, it felt like i fell right inside the target audience for this video LOL
@NeoNeko42018 күн бұрын
ngl the droning sounds gave me an idea, think as soon as I can imma tinker with it.
@SysOpQueen26 күн бұрын
this reminds me of the time i saw a tesseract in my living room on DMT
@Pooneil198423 күн бұрын
I took a course in the math and physics of music in college many years ago at the same time I was studying programing. Learning Fourier analysis was mind bending. If I'd had python and modern computers, this is the path I'd have taken too. Because I too hear music as geometric shapes. Mostly two dimensional, like these, sometimes in 3D, and very rarely and most powerfully in 4D.
@mikeciul859915 күн бұрын
Thinking about 1/f noise as a composing tool, it makes sense that a piece with the same "spectrum" as Für Elise would work as well, even if the fine details were altered. I think the patterns of big and small movement in music can make it pleasing no matter what exact points they hit along the way. Ok, let me try to explain 1/f noise. I will inevitably get it wrong, but since this is the internet I'm sure someone will correct me. ;) When analyzing the spectrum of a waveform, you can represent it as a function that gives an amplitude value for each frequency f - so a melody with slow, gradual, scalewise movement will have a higher amplitude in the low frequency range, creating a downward-sloping curve. A fast wiggly melody with big leaps back and forth will have a higher amplitude in the high frequency range, creating a flat or upward-sloping curve. Taking the square of the amplitude, you get a "power spectrum" which is useful for some mathematical/physics reason. There's a popular opinion that most music follows a 1/f curve in its power spectrum. So if one cycle every four bars represents f=1, then one cycle every two sixteenth notes represents f=12. Did I get that right? Maybe... Anyway the idea is that to make nice music, the power at f=1 should be 12 times the power at f=12 - in both cases the power is proportional to 1/f. Which generally leads to music that flows smoothly most of the time but occasionally makes some exciting dramatic leaps. Some composers have tried to generate music with noise (i.e. randomish values) that fits the 1/f frequency curve. Maybe Mark even did that in a previous video, I should check. :D Being full of arpeggios, I imagine Für Elise has a flatter curve than 1/f... I noticed in the visualization that a lot of the circles are the same size. Anyway, we already know it sounds good, so it makes sense that a piece with the same frequency curve but different specific notes would have the same vibe.
@matthewkendrick828026 күн бұрын
What determines when it plays a note?
@Mirinmaru
15 күн бұрын
When the point of the outer most circle intersects with with the edge of another circle I think.
@jasonspence25 күн бұрын
I'd love to see a version that controls the tempo of the beats, along with the note values. You have already made that speed version to change tempo, and maybe that could work, if you can solve for a path that speeds up and slows down to accommodate quarter, half, etc. notes.. Another option could be to make use of the currently-unused angle of the point from the origin. You could use radial lines from the origin as thresholds, and each time the dot crosses the next line, it plays the next note, perhaps staying in the close half of the wedge for a sustain, and waiting in the far half of the wedge for a rest.. I think that could make for a much more dynamic set of songs that you could play. As an aside, for my own preference, I think that only crossing in one direction (i.e. circling the origin in one direction) is much more pleasing than bouncing back and forth, or randomly, and allows for that sustain/rest idea.
@jlfqam18 күн бұрын
In fact an old computer fan played endlessly the straight 1st 12 bars in "Für Elise" without the repetition we can see in the score. If you could reproduce that in circles it will be great. It's assumed Beethoven translated into music notes the tinnitus que suffered from.
@TotalDec25 күн бұрын
The pentagon or pentacle is the associate of the harmonic series, Fib. series, and Fl. analysis. That should inspire something.
@troubl3gumКүн бұрын
wow I need this as a DAW tool
@loricat560626 күн бұрын
Very nice!
@Henrix199826 күн бұрын
2:04 Octavarium moment
@Tferdz20 күн бұрын
You should overlay a musical grid, where we can de the size and shape of a note and how they are connected in space
@amazingdancers308026 күн бұрын
This creative approach will give rise to a completely new paradigm, driving a paradigm shift in music theory. In the past, traditional composition methods and music analysis techniques only focused on the surface level of music, and the newly generated music often merely repeated the source material, with only superficial connections. However, by applying the concept of Fourier decomposition to this circular mechanical system, we can truly realize the mathematical beauty of music and its remote variations-the output may sound entirely different, yet subtle and obscure connections can still be found. This marks another paradigm shift in composition theory, moving closer to the neuronal thinking and diversity of the human brain, representing a remarkable evolution.
@KingfisherTalkingPictures26 күн бұрын
I can definitely imagine an AI creating a series of circles, and remixing it.
@plashplash-fg6hd27 күн бұрын
I challenge you to write a sequence where the circles form a specific shape of something while also playing a decent sounding tune.
@gljames2425 күн бұрын
I would love to see a shepherd's tone on this!
@rychei539325 күн бұрын
So I would like to see simultaneous motions for songs played repetitiously in a Round.
@CrazedKen25 күн бұрын
3:03 aaaaah, got us.
@AndrewWilsonStooshie24 күн бұрын
The music being built up with the drones would be excellent film music.
@AlanKey8625 күн бұрын
6:35 the music from Bib Boo's Haunt in SM64 :D
@MrEthanhines25 күн бұрын
Essentially you made a jazz version of Fur Elise
@axiomfiremind843127 күн бұрын
Thank you. More of this please. But think of the notes more of as a clock with the angle around the clock as the letter of the note. The right handed and left handed solutions. remember that Clocks are left handed when viewed face on and that DNA and Plants are right handed. Except like Venus possibly but that may be slowly correcting itself. The radius would then be the integer octave. Why construct it this way? Why construct the sky with polar coordinates but music with square coordinates? The transform needs to sing as the planets sing.
@RichardCharter24 күн бұрын
I love that "wonky" Fur Elise sounds like Scriabin
@Bethos1247-Arne26 күн бұрын
I am thinking about this. Using methods like this could actually be used as composting assistance, at least that it could give you ideas how to score certain parts.
@dextro80819 күн бұрын
"Can you see where we're going with this?" No, in fact i have no idea what's going on, but it's all very pretty
@MrPomajdor25 күн бұрын
5:12 A "collection of pitches" is a wierd but fun way to name a music key
@reto898825 күн бұрын
just barely taking a course for astronomy.. but pretty sure in it, forgot which big brain guy but with circles on circles were used as epicycles and fine tuned to match orbits of planets as closely as possible.(why later it was seen as inconsistent as the constant need to fine tune the epicycles to the orbit) and im pretty sure you can make any shape with ENOUGH epicycles. so as long as you get the math done for. again ENOUGH. like you mentioned it would go to very high number with a larger cycle. seeing that ya used the fourier series for the conversion makes me wanna study that now. thanks.
@roytee3127
24 күн бұрын
The ancient Greeks and later Ptolemy refined the epicycles. Unfortunately, Newton et al had a much simpler and more universal explanation.
@bergercg25 күн бұрын
Map pitch to one dimension and tone length/duration to the second dimension to resolve curve ambiguity
@UFO31415924 күн бұрын
The seven largest circles turned it into Debussy.
@brotherdust25 күн бұрын
This is cool! Ideas: 1. add a Z axis to represent measures. Each revolution around the circle represents one measure. Each measure can then have its own discrete sets of circles. Keep at least part of each previous/next revolution on the screen (perhaps blurred or faded) for context. 2. Add more polar axes for additional voices and staffs. Differentiate with color or texture. If color, use various color maths when the lines intersect. 3. Support additional note subdivisions. In each measure, each note gets a slot. The time signature defines the grid. If a note is shorter than the bottom number of the time signature, subdivide the time slot. This should get you around the sampling problem. Just random thoughts. Anyway, cool stuff! Keep it up! Subscribed! Edit: see kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZImkyqOzoty8oLw.htmlsi=XMDK55u4-6vcR_0p for the circular rhythm representation I’m talking about.
@q00u24 күн бұрын
I felt the speed-based notes distorted it too much from the source, and once you turned that option on, it was on for the rest of the video
@bjw000720 күн бұрын
This sounds like a Fourier Transform with extra steps…
@ZotVanBelgie-jn7oz24 күн бұрын
hello sir Marc I think it would work very well for Johann Sebastian Bach as well for example prelude 1 book 1 or prelude 2 book 1 from well tempered clavier you're amazing sir I have no idea how you all program this or do it
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The full music of Fourier Elise is here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/rKVnlMSCpceZf7A.html And to hear me Fourier-roll you with more circle music, you can subscribe to my Patreon: www.patreon.com/posts/fourier-astlise-103232956 Oh, and of course a free way to support my channel (and do something positive for your brain!) is to head to brilliant.org/MarcEvanstein. Literally just clicking and exploring helps me out.
@haarisarain5048
14 күн бұрын
Is there a program that lets me also use circles to make music?
2:58 You just had to didn't you...
@Alceste_
27 күн бұрын
I didn't get it. :c
@official-obama
27 күн бұрын
@@Alceste_ if you ignore the lower pitched notes, it sounds like a slow rickroll
@marcevanstein
27 күн бұрын
I did, yes. I will never stop being that guy.
@Alceste_
27 күн бұрын
Crazy how just a note here and there made it unrecognizable to me. '-'
@pridepotato314
27 күн бұрын
@@marcevanstein Well I guess I will never get this from any other... mathamusician
Fourier Elise
@Naeddyr
27 күн бұрын
I am 100% sure "Fourier Elise" came first, and the idea for the video came second.
@awaredeshmukh3202
27 күн бұрын
LOVED that!!
@davyzeradaspalmera
24 күн бұрын
Führer Elise
The Steve Mould reference is so good.Completely out of the blue, but a perfect fit.
@eliaskirkwood
27 күн бұрын
So true
@thomicrisler9855
24 күн бұрын
I cracked up so hard at it. xD
@NotGabe001
3 күн бұрын
As a Steve Mould viewer, I didn't get it
That random angle one looks like he's having so much fun
@Somerandomjingleberry
25 күн бұрын
Me when I anthropomorphize abstract symbols (contextualizing what amounts to “noise” into something we can understand is fundamental to the human experience)
"Thanks for all the circles, Beethoven" - Elise
Ok, now do through the fire and flames.
@Tsaukpaetra
27 күн бұрын
Should only need a few million circles, surely...
@multilk6399
27 күн бұрын
would it count if you split the song into progressions/circles for each separate instrument and then just charting them separately?
@daan804
27 күн бұрын
@multilk6399 i guess, i mean, if you don't, then every instrument sounds the same as well, so it would just sound mediocre.
@CalebTibster
25 күн бұрын
At the very least, we need the opening hammer-ons
2:59 Fourier rickroll
@unebaguette9745
26 күн бұрын
Shh don't spoil!
I wish you showed the entire traced path as a shape.
@gamedog9542
27 күн бұрын
Agreed
@korok2619
22 күн бұрын
there are tons though
this is something that inspires me to learn math
@kiwipomegranate
27 күн бұрын
"What instrument do you play?" "Math."
@therandomguy1701
27 күн бұрын
Aight bet. After 10 years, reply to this comment if you learned math.
@The_Scapes
27 күн бұрын
@@therandomguy1701 really thankful for this inspiring comment man, for sure 😏, already on my way 😁, I've already finished the introduction to complex numbers and other stuff
@The_Scapes
27 күн бұрын
@@therandomguy1701 just be kind enough to remind me back
@whannabi
26 күн бұрын
@@The_Scapesdaily reminder to learn math
5:05 Turn Beethoven into Chopin with this One Simple Trick
Oh this is *almost* what I've been hoping for. I was hoping you'd find a path such that your speed-based approach of placing notes happens to match the rhythm too
this is SO SICK!! i love the wobbly elise
@Cyril29a
27 күн бұрын
It really is
Theres an old video about someone converting all sounds in songs into a midi piano, or at least thats what I think they did, I'm not too familiar with music. But the thing is, in the video, the recognisability of the lyrics are maintained only if you are familiar with the source material, otherwise you can only tell there is 'speech', and thats only because I was looking to hear speech I suppose... I suspect a similar thing could be happening here, the more you've heard Für Elise the more some of your experiments will sound like Für Elise.
@marcevanstein
27 күн бұрын
I know this phenomenon well! When I've made music/art out of mangled speech, it's often been really hard to tell how well someone who's never heard the speech will be able to make sense of it.
@samsamson3315
19 күн бұрын
@@marcevanstein Oftentimes I can't even understand lyrics in the original song until I look them up lol. A related thing is the way in which expectations play a big part in what we hear (see: Mondegreens, "misheard lyrics" videos).
Your later pieces are what you get when a mathematician jazz pianist is asked to play a classic
Please PLEASE make a piano concerto using circles, that would be insane.
"Fourier Elise" was an excellent, excellent pun.
Fascinating and very original take on Fourier analysis. It brings mind that the ancient Greeks and later Ptolemy were trying to do something like this with the observed motions of planets in the sky. The planets appear to move at variable speeds and even exhibit retrograde ("backwards") motion. The ancient astronomers built complex models of epicycles (like these) to characterize what amounted to a complicated recurring wave of planetary position. Following the Copernican Revolution, which described planetary motions in terms of gravitation and elliptical orbits, the Ptolemaic epicycles came to be derided as a scientific dead end. But it looks like the ancient astronomers dimly sensed what Fourier formalized, and this video illustrates.
I know a microtonal scale when I hear one
@official-obama
27 күн бұрын
wasn't it snapped to the original notes of fur elise?
@Dune4915
27 күн бұрын
@@official-obama You didn't watch the whole video did you ?
@official-obama
27 күн бұрын
@@Dune4915 uhh, i did? was he talking about the pulsing circles?
@marcevanstein
27 күн бұрын
Ha ha! I can't remember if I mentioned it in a footnote, but in the final music with the pulsing circles, I was using a just scale, "rationalized" from the pitches of Fur Elise, using Clarence Barlow's method. Maybe I should talk about that sometime. I think it makes a big difference honestly
@roytee3127
24 күн бұрын
(moved)
3:55 “Das Lied, das nie endet” …or “The song that never ends” I knew learning German would pay off one day.
@intranexine8901
22 күн бұрын
Yes it goes on and on my friend (:
@TotallyDapper
16 күн бұрын
Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was
@SidShakal
15 күн бұрын
and they'll continue singing it forever just because
At one point it honestly sounded like Liszt wrote Für Elise
Sometimes it sounds like "La Campanella"
“A sort of Fourier Elise” Jail. Now. You.
This could be a backround music generator in a game!
This is actually one of the most well made and just plain cool videos I have seen on youtube. You deserve way more subs!
This certainly was a circle video of all time
Utterly fascinating. Your channel is a gem. Thank you for this
Your videos bring back curiosity and enjoyment in my life. Thank you!
That was mind-blowingly awesome!
"...a kind of Fourier Elise, if you will..." I will not! I refuse! How dare you! (great video)
You've just made your way into my lessons over polar functions.
_If it can play Fur Elise, then it definitely can play Rush E._ Edit: MOM IM FAMOUS
@luigidabro
27 күн бұрын
*Für
@KaneyoriHK
27 күн бұрын
@@luigidabro Not everyone knows how to type that or can.
@calford2001
27 күн бұрын
@@luigidabro you still understood what that person meant tho, which means a correction wasn't necessary.
@DiggyPT
26 күн бұрын
No it can't because it can't play more than one note at a time
@luigidabro
26 күн бұрын
@@KaneyoriHK then it can also be replaced by a "Fuer"
Bagging a Brilliant sponsorship this early is a big achievement in my opinion! Keep it up man, this channel's gonna go viral, I can feel it.
ABSOLUTELY need an ambient album based on the pulsing circles
@majapaja_
16 күн бұрын
It reminded me of chapter 11 of the half life alyx OST maybe check that out
This is glorious. Having owned a lot of sequencers, working in a lot of different ways, I can fully see this kind of thing being included alongside things like Euclidean sequencing in future machines.
Absolutely incredible! The final part where the drones pulsate in a weird way which is still somehow coherent to the density of piano notes being played, sounds fantastic. That concept would be great for like, a soundtrack or a sound design for something. Idk if you're into electroacoustic music but that feels like something like it. Analyse, modify, resynthesize!
This is the perfect balance of nerdiness and musicality.
I like seeing that between the high and low notes instead of appearing on the peak they’re on the way up and down from them
"He's gonna be a mathematician one day or another" "No, he's gonna be a musician!"
Fascinating video and channel as a whole.
thanks for your videos ! youre a genius!
Would love to see a version with more of the song included, definitely would not envy you having to optimize your circle rending code for potentially hundreds of circles though
This video revived my intrests❤
@0hellow797
27 күн бұрын
It’s tough sometimes but vids like these keep me working and moving 👍
@marcevanstein
27 күн бұрын
Aw, I appreciate these comments. It means a lot to me actually, because it takes so much effort to make videos like this and knowing it is motivating to other people is motivating to me!
@0hellow797
27 күн бұрын
@@marcevanstein it all comes full circle lolol But thank u for spending the time and energy, producings not easy for sure ❤️❤️
Absolutely brilliant! Please release the code for us to create our own!
This is an amazing video, so interesting and well done!
Upload three theme and variations as it's own video!! This was mesmerizing
This is amazing. I love this project and want to see you do more. One thing I'd like to see: - If the pitch of each note is tied only to the radial distance from the origin r, surely we can use the angle theta in some musical way too - For example, could we play rhythm (e.g. crotchets) using the angle theta like a metronome to keep time? And what would the result look like when imposing this constraint for Fur Elise? - Taking it further, what would your animation look like if you took the melody (r) and more complex rhythms (theta - e.g. hihat part) together? Could we see any patterns that point towards whether a song is catchy or not? (would love to see this with the introduction to It Runs Through Me by Tom Misch)
As soon as you added the extra notes between the originals, I already could no longer make out the source tune.
The flowing variation made me think of that crazy piano breakdown in Hedwig's Theme. I bet that would be a fun song to do with circles.
This is Underrated.
Next level unlocked 🎉 - remarkable 👏 This should be the type of method used to generate background music in sci fi tv shows. Would feel more realistic.
it took me a second to realize I was rickrolled, but props to you, my guy
Oh my gosh, you could make such ENGAGING installations using the pulses and exporting the piano line to a MIDI controlled piano with the visuals displayed. I'd seriously consider making that happen!!!!
@marcevanstein
26 күн бұрын
I definitely will. It's a great idea!
@WarttHog
25 күн бұрын
Oh man, I bet lookmomnocomputer would love this idea!
Beautiful!
This. Is. Amazing.
Fascinating.
Spectacular
That fade to white almost killed my retinas :)
Can you do a video about the harmonic relationship between planets in our solar system?
There should be a VST for this, I want to use this in my DAW
>circle >can it... >Yes Fourier Transforms Can Do It
7:11 ok now I need the sound file with just the component circles! It sounds so beautiful and ominous...
Great video! ❤ Can you continue with Bach?
"What music do you like?" "That's not an easy questioni to answere... How familliar are you with FFT and Circles?"
fourier series was one of my favorite electrical engineering topics + i love experimental music theory videos (you even guessed the exact 3blue1brown video i had in mind at the start). anyways, it felt like i fell right inside the target audience for this video LOL
ngl the droning sounds gave me an idea, think as soon as I can imma tinker with it.
this reminds me of the time i saw a tesseract in my living room on DMT
I took a course in the math and physics of music in college many years ago at the same time I was studying programing. Learning Fourier analysis was mind bending. If I'd had python and modern computers, this is the path I'd have taken too. Because I too hear music as geometric shapes. Mostly two dimensional, like these, sometimes in 3D, and very rarely and most powerfully in 4D.
Thinking about 1/f noise as a composing tool, it makes sense that a piece with the same "spectrum" as Für Elise would work as well, even if the fine details were altered. I think the patterns of big and small movement in music can make it pleasing no matter what exact points they hit along the way. Ok, let me try to explain 1/f noise. I will inevitably get it wrong, but since this is the internet I'm sure someone will correct me. ;) When analyzing the spectrum of a waveform, you can represent it as a function that gives an amplitude value for each frequency f - so a melody with slow, gradual, scalewise movement will have a higher amplitude in the low frequency range, creating a downward-sloping curve. A fast wiggly melody with big leaps back and forth will have a higher amplitude in the high frequency range, creating a flat or upward-sloping curve. Taking the square of the amplitude, you get a "power spectrum" which is useful for some mathematical/physics reason. There's a popular opinion that most music follows a 1/f curve in its power spectrum. So if one cycle every four bars represents f=1, then one cycle every two sixteenth notes represents f=12. Did I get that right? Maybe... Anyway the idea is that to make nice music, the power at f=1 should be 12 times the power at f=12 - in both cases the power is proportional to 1/f. Which generally leads to music that flows smoothly most of the time but occasionally makes some exciting dramatic leaps. Some composers have tried to generate music with noise (i.e. randomish values) that fits the 1/f frequency curve. Maybe Mark even did that in a previous video, I should check. :D Being full of arpeggios, I imagine Für Elise has a flatter curve than 1/f... I noticed in the visualization that a lot of the circles are the same size. Anyway, we already know it sounds good, so it makes sense that a piece with the same frequency curve but different specific notes would have the same vibe.
What determines when it plays a note?
@Mirinmaru
15 күн бұрын
When the point of the outer most circle intersects with with the edge of another circle I think.
I'd love to see a version that controls the tempo of the beats, along with the note values. You have already made that speed version to change tempo, and maybe that could work, if you can solve for a path that speeds up and slows down to accommodate quarter, half, etc. notes.. Another option could be to make use of the currently-unused angle of the point from the origin. You could use radial lines from the origin as thresholds, and each time the dot crosses the next line, it plays the next note, perhaps staying in the close half of the wedge for a sustain, and waiting in the far half of the wedge for a rest.. I think that could make for a much more dynamic set of songs that you could play. As an aside, for my own preference, I think that only crossing in one direction (i.e. circling the origin in one direction) is much more pleasing than bouncing back and forth, or randomly, and allows for that sustain/rest idea.
In fact an old computer fan played endlessly the straight 1st 12 bars in "Für Elise" without the repetition we can see in the score. If you could reproduce that in circles it will be great. It's assumed Beethoven translated into music notes the tinnitus que suffered from.
The pentagon or pentacle is the associate of the harmonic series, Fib. series, and Fl. analysis. That should inspire something.
wow I need this as a DAW tool
Very nice!
2:04 Octavarium moment
You should overlay a musical grid, where we can de the size and shape of a note and how they are connected in space
This creative approach will give rise to a completely new paradigm, driving a paradigm shift in music theory. In the past, traditional composition methods and music analysis techniques only focused on the surface level of music, and the newly generated music often merely repeated the source material, with only superficial connections. However, by applying the concept of Fourier decomposition to this circular mechanical system, we can truly realize the mathematical beauty of music and its remote variations-the output may sound entirely different, yet subtle and obscure connections can still be found. This marks another paradigm shift in composition theory, moving closer to the neuronal thinking and diversity of the human brain, representing a remarkable evolution.
I can definitely imagine an AI creating a series of circles, and remixing it.
I challenge you to write a sequence where the circles form a specific shape of something while also playing a decent sounding tune.
I would love to see a shepherd's tone on this!
So I would like to see simultaneous motions for songs played repetitiously in a Round.
3:03 aaaaah, got us.
The music being built up with the drones would be excellent film music.
6:35 the music from Bib Boo's Haunt in SM64 :D
Essentially you made a jazz version of Fur Elise
Thank you. More of this please. But think of the notes more of as a clock with the angle around the clock as the letter of the note. The right handed and left handed solutions. remember that Clocks are left handed when viewed face on and that DNA and Plants are right handed. Except like Venus possibly but that may be slowly correcting itself. The radius would then be the integer octave. Why construct it this way? Why construct the sky with polar coordinates but music with square coordinates? The transform needs to sing as the planets sing.
I love that "wonky" Fur Elise sounds like Scriabin
I am thinking about this. Using methods like this could actually be used as composting assistance, at least that it could give you ideas how to score certain parts.
"Can you see where we're going with this?" No, in fact i have no idea what's going on, but it's all very pretty
5:12 A "collection of pitches" is a wierd but fun way to name a music key
just barely taking a course for astronomy.. but pretty sure in it, forgot which big brain guy but with circles on circles were used as epicycles and fine tuned to match orbits of planets as closely as possible.(why later it was seen as inconsistent as the constant need to fine tune the epicycles to the orbit) and im pretty sure you can make any shape with ENOUGH epicycles. so as long as you get the math done for. again ENOUGH. like you mentioned it would go to very high number with a larger cycle. seeing that ya used the fourier series for the conversion makes me wanna study that now. thanks.
@roytee3127
24 күн бұрын
The ancient Greeks and later Ptolemy refined the epicycles. Unfortunately, Newton et al had a much simpler and more universal explanation.
Map pitch to one dimension and tone length/duration to the second dimension to resolve curve ambiguity
The seven largest circles turned it into Debussy.
This is cool! Ideas: 1. add a Z axis to represent measures. Each revolution around the circle represents one measure. Each measure can then have its own discrete sets of circles. Keep at least part of each previous/next revolution on the screen (perhaps blurred or faded) for context. 2. Add more polar axes for additional voices and staffs. Differentiate with color or texture. If color, use various color maths when the lines intersect. 3. Support additional note subdivisions. In each measure, each note gets a slot. The time signature defines the grid. If a note is shorter than the bottom number of the time signature, subdivide the time slot. This should get you around the sampling problem. Just random thoughts. Anyway, cool stuff! Keep it up! Subscribed! Edit: see kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZImkyqOzoty8oLw.htmlsi=XMDK55u4-6vcR_0p for the circular rhythm representation I’m talking about.
I felt the speed-based notes distorted it too much from the source, and once you turned that option on, it was on for the rest of the video
This sounds like a Fourier Transform with extra steps…
hello sir Marc I think it would work very well for Johann Sebastian Bach as well for example prelude 1 book 1 or prelude 2 book 1 from well tempered clavier you're amazing sir I have no idea how you all program this or do it
the fact you did that first before fur elise
the random angles one turned it into chopin lmao