Outro song: Kids - Citizens & Saints (Just in case anybody was wondering.)

@christophersnedeker2065

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks I was looking for it.

@jdvitualla.renewed

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

That was very well done and has me very excited for the movie. Great job. Posting on Facebook, Twitter, and the bathroom wall.

Where is the full documentary available?

Where can I find this full documentary?

I support the the view of Calvinism and I am a Calvinist but most importantly I don't call myself that, I'm a Christian and a child of God.

@chrislandaverdedf

2 ай бұрын

Ditto!

@The300ZXGuru

2 ай бұрын

Calvin just reiterated was Paul said. Paul is the one who gave a doctrines of Grace through Romans. Jesus is the one who enlightened Paul while Calvin just showed the Romans were they were going wrong.

@chrislandaverdedf

2 ай бұрын

WOW. Can't wait.

How can I find this movie now? I’m not finding it on any platform even in DVD.

Anyone know the song being played at the end??

Release it in India as well...

Awesome work Les!!

Anyone know the name of the song/band at the end?

Where can someone view the entire documentary?

Excellent! Thankful to support and pray for this film. Posting on FB and the door of Wittenberg. ;-)

"In a world where man is unable to seek God or repent unless God sovereignly grants him that ability .... where salvation is granted unconditionally to the elect ..... where the Atonement is limited to the elect .... where God's grace can't be resisted .... and where the elect are predetermined to endure to the end ...... comes ..... the CALVINIST" (cue spooky music and R.C. Sproul clip on Free Will)

@einarabelc5

2 жыл бұрын

Aaaand...no counter argument...good job.

@crazycatman5928

10 ай бұрын

@@einarabelc5the counter argument is easy. John Chapter 6. Believe in Jesus. Cavanism almost shipwrecked my faith. Praise God I just didn’t accept defeat but stayed reading despite feeling lost and confused about my assurance if it was real or not. I found many scriptures proving Calvinism wrong. As much as I love Paul Washer/Voddie Bachman/John Piper(see my playlist) I have to watch what things I listen of them. The truth of the matter is this: If you’re seeking after Christ in all sincerity of heart, the father has drawn you. James even says draw near to God and he’ll draw near to you. Paul Washers preaching brought me back when I lost my way for about 10 years/his passion is contagious/but his preaching also made me doubt my salvation and throw in the towel. Praise God and thanks to Jesus I said no!!! I will not give up the race and just quit. I will not just eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we will die. I said I’m gonna serve and search for him no matter if he slay me.

Does anyone happen to know the name of the song that is at the end?

@taborrrbrown

7 жыл бұрын

Kids-Citizens & Saints

@DavisAplaylist

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir!

When does this come out and where can I watch it? :)

Looks amazing. Can't wait!!

@TheHumbuckerboy

Жыл бұрын

So did it ever materialise ? Where can it be found ?

Dang Les. Look great. Nice ending shot of Philly!

Will the documentary have subtitles in Portuguese?

What's the soundtrack?

I honestly don't think this could better! This is going to be awesome!!

@20july1944

7 жыл бұрын

Rich: Would you agree with me that most people are not saved, thus ("presupposing" Calvinism) are not elect, and were born hated by God?

@20july1944

7 жыл бұрын

Rich, you coward: You never answered my question: Would you agree with me that most people are not saved, thus ("presupposing" Calvinism) are not elect, and were born hated by God?

Exciting stuff brother! Looking forward to watching it.

@20july1944

7 жыл бұрын

Corey: Do you have any children and were you a Calvinist when you had them? Are you planning to have any in the future?

@TheSidikRam

7 жыл бұрын

For me, 1. Yes 2. No 3. Yes (1 on the way)

@20july1944

7 жыл бұрын

OK, JCM. Would you agree with me they are all already elect or unelect?

@TheSidikRam

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, I agree. Before the foundations of the earth.

@20july1944

7 жыл бұрын

Then why did you have them, and put them in such a great risk of infinite and inescapable jeopardy?

Where can I see this?

Are we allowed to share this?

So good Les, I can't wait!!

Les this looks amazing. well done can't wait to see it. beautiful. Just beautiful.

@20july1944

7 жыл бұрын

I see you're married, Jay. Do you intend to have any children?

@jaygibbons7488

7 жыл бұрын

20july1944 I have 3 kids brother

@20july1944

7 жыл бұрын

Were you a Calvinist when you had them?

@20july1944

7 жыл бұрын

Jay: What happens if one or more of your children is unelect and is being dragged away to hell on judgement day: -- Would you still love them? -- Would you blame them for being unelect? -- Would you have an appetite for the Lamb's Wedding Feast with their screams still echoing in your mind? -- What if you can hear their screams while they're passing the french fries, Jay?

@jaygibbons7488

7 жыл бұрын

20july1944 God is sovereign over all things inc salvation and judgement. You seem to think it would be unfair for God to judge children? why? are they any less sinners than adults? what is the wages for sin? death. judgement outside of Christ. You ask this like you must believe that everyone deserves grace and mercy. no. we all deserve death for our transgressions. the fact that God saves anyone is the real miracle here. that even while we were yet sinners Christ died for us. That's the Gospel.

When would it be showing??

Como vejo o filme? Por favor me ajudem

Looks good!

How did I just now find this? So many great theologians

I hope it will be in youtube so i can add it to my piper playlist. I use to driscoll but a lot of videos disappeared.

How can I watch this? I'd love to see the full film

I can't wait to see this! #SoliDeoGloria

@20july1944

7 жыл бұрын

RS Can you tell me what "God is love" means to you?

@ReformedSaint

7 жыл бұрын

20july1944 It means just that; God is love.. I'm assuming that you're probably wondering how that fits in with the theology that we Calvinist hold too? I only ask that because many people have a misunderstanding of what Reformed Theology is..

@20july1944

7 жыл бұрын

RS No, God is *not* love. Certainly that is *not* literally true: God is *not* an emotion or a verb, and love is *not* a sentient being of any kind. So, IF it is true at all, it is true in some *figurative* sense, but I challenge you to say what that might be.

@ReformedSaint

7 жыл бұрын

You're making no sense right now.. First; yes, God is love (1 John 4:8), so how you get the idea that God isn't love, is in and of itself contradictory to scripture... Second, as far as love being something that is done or a feeling, in a sense, I would agree with you in this sense.. That alone isn't love! Love is much more than that! As Paul Washer put it, "I don't believe love is just doing the right thing. I don't believe love is just keeping commandments and I don't believe love is just being patient and kind. That's what love looks like when it walks and talks, but that's not love. Love is passion!" Third, and last but not least, what does this have to do with the original content, exactly?

@20july1944

7 жыл бұрын

OK, RS. "Love is passion?" So "God is passion"? Neither you nor Paul Washer have given me a positive definition of "God is love". Again, I say "God is *not* love" but I'm open to persuasion beginning with a positive statement defining "God is love."

2:3-7 God wants all men to be saved 1 Timothy 2:3-7 “…God our Saviour, who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all men - the testimony given in its proper time. And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle - I am telling the truth, I am not lying - and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.”

@YTTraveler777

6 жыл бұрын

Friar Rodney Burnap Give us all a choice and we will all choose sin and hell EVERY TIME! Thank God I am not a autonomous agent!

@crowrebirth

4 жыл бұрын

PrefixToEpiphany you ARE autonomous, and you chose to serve god and truth over serving your own will. If you are not autonomous then there is no original sin and you cannot be held accountable for your sins.

@johngodsey5327

4 жыл бұрын

@@YTTraveler777 cornelius chose God prior to conversion against calvin theology. He didnt accept the gospel until he heard it from Peter. You know, because faith comes by hearing and that from the word of God. You are not saved, before you are saved, to say you are saved.

@albusai

4 жыл бұрын

PrefixToEpiphany you are a robot? How come you keep sinning? Is only part regenerated

@MonLeeMane

3 жыл бұрын

PrefixToEpiphany lmao. Were you predestined and programmed to be here in this comment section to say the exact same words you just said? You have nothing to do with that?

this looks so good don't forget to interview Tanner! hahaha

Song?

I can't wait to see this!

@TheHumbuckerboy

Жыл бұрын

Where can I find it ?

Just finished watching the movie! Hands down one of the best christian documentaries.

@pam2viph

Жыл бұрын

where can I find it????

@akhiker01

6 ай бұрын

@@pam2viphwhere do we find all these films ??

When will the film be done and ready?? I cannot wait!!🙏🏼🙂

@TheHumbuckerboy

Жыл бұрын

Was the fil ever actually made ?

Where can I buy this from please?

@majesticmelvin

6 жыл бұрын

Mrs V Christian I think it will be available on the website soon for DVD/Blu-Ray purchase. Maybe even Amazon? 😇

Hey everybody......remember, God does not measure His precepts by man's ability to perform them. Everything is of Grace. You being conformed to the image of Christ....is GRACE. My heart is so heavy right now reading the responses of those who argue against the sovereignty of God. Every word of redemption has the breath of God's sovereignty in it. Born Again, Adoption, Regeneration, Called, Election and so on. Either God is in control of everything that happens or He is not in control. If He is not, let's not pray for safety in travel, let's not pray for the salvation of our loved ones. Let's not give him thanks for the food we eat. It is all a miracle ...That's the mystery of God. When God takes a loved one from this earth....It was God who had his days numbered! Please dear ones, read your Bible carefully, and understand it was He who gave you ears to hear and eyes to see and a heart to believe. Brother and Sisters your problem is not with Calvinism, your problem is with the God of the Bible, and who He says He is.

@jonathandavid9720

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, we're all unto the Sovereighty if God allright. But we are wise to the Sproul/Augustine Meticulous Determinism version is Calvinism that distorts God's character from Scripture with philosophy extrapolated from gnosticism.

@theTavis01

Жыл бұрын

"your problem is not with Calvinism, your problem is with the God of the Bible" Uh....no....my problem is DEFINITELY with Calvinism. Your quote does perfectly epitomize the extreme pridefulness that Calvinism nourishes though.

@crimsontwins6612

Жыл бұрын

James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for, when he hath been proved, he shall receive the crown of life which God hath promised to them that love him. James 2:14 What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him?

@golightly5121

Жыл бұрын

Calvinism is a Satanic deception.

@golightly5121

Жыл бұрын

@@crimsontwins6612 : James is not about justification for salvation, it is about the judgement of our works after we believed in Jesus for eternal life.

Of course they show all the OBVIOUS false so called preachers....

@johncollinsemail

3 жыл бұрын

Someone missing?

@ReformedSooner24

2 жыл бұрын

Calvinism is an extremely biblical doctrine. Yet some like yourself get led astray to doctrines that are less true by emotion, poor teachers and strawman views about Reformed Theology. I am a “Calvinist”. I am a Christian (as are you I hope). Here I stand. I can do no other.

@patrickc3419

Жыл бұрын

@@ReformedSooner24 Same here. 5 Solas from Buffalo!!🙏

Supported this movie at Kickstarter few years ago! Looking forward for this movie.

@madi_beee

7 жыл бұрын

Bryan Villarosa it was last year...

This is the first time I heard about this movie. Now I have to find it.

dang dude. that was better than I imagined. good job

God gave me grace that I got to watch this...highly recommend it. It really does explain biblical truth!!

@emmanuelmasengesho3352

3 жыл бұрын

where can we get it from?

Woohoo! Can hardly wait!

So is this coming to Netflix?

post tenebras lux!!!

Supported the film for a reason. Thank you Les!!

@20july1944

7 жыл бұрын

Norm, buddy! If a person wanted one child to love, what would be the loving number to create?

@TheSidikRam

7 жыл бұрын

4

@20july1944

7 жыл бұрын

JCM: I know you didn't mean "4" seriously, but it is a serious issue. How many "unloved" children does an ideally loving father have? It looks like it is an absurdity to say "God is love".

@TheSidikRam

7 жыл бұрын

4 was a response to not understanding what you're asking - but "ideally", a loving father has 0 unloved children. When it comes to God, he loves all his children, the elect (Ephesians 1:4)

@20july1944

7 жыл бұрын

JCM: But God is the original Deadbeat Dad because He makes a vastly greater number of equal vermin who stand in exactly the same causal and ontological relationship with Him, then saves some of them. What ethics do I draw from that? Have as many children as I want with the full intention of not loving most of them? That isn't "loving" and most human parents are far better parents than God is (by Jesus's stated definition in Matt 7:11.)

Great movie! I was expecting to see Voddie though :/ why didn’t he make the cut?

One day in England we will be able to watch this....

Man this looks good. Sad to see the disagreements in doctrine in the comments though.

@20july1944

7 жыл бұрын

It's the way the cookie crumbles, Kaden. Who hated whom first, God or Esau?

@GolfGuy32

6 жыл бұрын

God didn't hate Esau, he hated the NATION Esau. Run from Calvinism. Run from it. 1 Timothy 2:4

@YTTraveler777

6 жыл бұрын

God does in deed hate. Maybe "hate" isn't what we think it is. We have let pseudo spiritualists who quote Yoda more than Christ Jesus define for us what "hate" is!!!!! God is sovereign! He can hate whom ever he wishes for his own reasons and be perfectly holy for it! What right do you, a created being, have to try and counsel God!? " before they had done anything good or bad Jacob He loved and Essa He hated!" Cartmen, if you believe acknowledging that I believe God hated Essa lures me into a trap where "logically it stands to reason" God must be evil, it doesn't! Instead it reveals your misunderstanding of simple words like "hated" and scripture. You have trapped yourself into having to deny God is sovereign! We are to hate all that is worthy of hatred from what knowledge God grants us. God urges us to be slow to anger and to love our enemies but sometimes He says this or that is to be hated. "Hate injustice, love mercy..." God in His omnipotent sovereignty can hate whom He wishes as we are all worthy of it unless He calls us from among the dead! Do you not realize that we were DEAD before? There was nothing worth loving unless He decided to love us "yet while we were sinners" knowing He was about to call us to life from among the dead! But why didn't he call my friend Andy who died a buddist from a drug over dose? I can't answer that because I'm not God. It's a petty complaint anyway because I deserved Hell just as much as Andy. Instead of focusing on the apparent unfairness of God I should be eternally greateful! Who am I, who are you Cartman avatar, to try and give God counsel and question why He chooses love over here and to condemn over there? Vast swathes of Scripture state the ways of God are God's. Stop trying to drag God down to the human level of being accountable to God.HE IS GOD! We don't hold Him accountable! He is not like a president! Stop making God a president!

If the enthusiasm and money spent on this was put into spreading to Gospel... Hell would be a much less crowded place.

@majesticmelvin

6 жыл бұрын

nathanael brown If these guys are consistent with their reformed beliefs, the gospel will be at the center of this film.

@YTTraveler777

6 жыл бұрын

Disingenuous comment! How I know? Be honest, if this movie represented your particular church body and favorite religious heritage you would be saying how great it was.

2017? where can I watch this????

This is going to be great!

Praise God for the work he has done in you. This movie opened my eyes and my heart to the truth of the Bible.

@robertholley2195

Жыл бұрын

😂both sides believe they are right.

Remember, folks! Just because Calvinists are right about prosperity gospel preachers, doesn’t make the Calvinist’s theology correct in all other aspects.

@jameschappell-ih4cw

5 ай бұрын

Amen. Calvinism as a theological system is prideful yet wears a mask of humility. Satan has his Trojan horse.

@humbledservant9693

4 ай бұрын

They are though

@jameschappell-ih4cw

4 ай бұрын

@@humbledservant9693 They are what? Correct in all respects? Again, a small minority of the faith thinks that they and only they are correct. Why? Because if they are right, they are surely going to heaven. For that reason alone, their interpretation of scripture is right

@TheHomy19

2 ай бұрын

​@@jameschappell-ih4cwdon't throw the baby with the bathwater friend. I am not a calvinist, but what unite us is the gospel of Jesus Christ, please if you are born again, point towards Christ, let that be what unite us and acknowledge how many have watered down the gospel, that is what we fight for. May God bless you!

@anonymousmouse505

2 ай бұрын

​@@jameschappell-ih4cw could you express to me how it is prideful?

Where can I watch this? Please like anyone reply

So...did this movie ever come out?

So basically this film says the same thing many other cults have said about their leader. Take Joseph Smith for example. Many religions. None of them are correct. There has to be one correct way. He created Mormonism. Here people picked a Reformer to be their leader and got behind him so they could all speak on the same platform across multiple denominations. And don't worry no matter how much the Bible has to be tortured, stretched and explained away to fit what Calvin taught that's our leader and nothing else matters. There are times I truly believe people worship Calvin more than they do Jesus Christ himself.

@Faithful247

2 жыл бұрын

No, actually. not at all. This comment doesn’t even have anything to do with the movie nor the trailer. This was so ignorant I burped and farted at the same time.

@TheBluegoatman

2 жыл бұрын

@@Faithful247 wow! It's hard to hide class. Nothing like a good fart comment to prove your thinking never made it past high school. You should try beano I hear it works well for people with your condition.

"Calvinism can be attractive" yeah, but only if you ignore all of the ugly parts.

@anonymousmouse505

2 ай бұрын

Like?

Great work!

Can't wait

Yo this looks dope.

Lord, I pray that this movie is an absolute failure, and that you somehow use it for good. Lead people away from this wicked heresy, and to your TRUE gospel. In Jesus name amen. 1 Timothy 2:4

@YTTraveler777

6 жыл бұрын

I pray you will one day realize how foolish your desires are.

@dianaaugustine5438

4 жыл бұрын

Yes! Yes! Amen! It breaks my heart to see this movement growing. I used to listen to Paul Washer and John Piper. I thought they were great, I disagreed with their Calvinism, but I thought calvinism was not an important issue. But it is. The Calvinist God is a different God than the God of the Bible. Calvinists use the same language, but what they mean by it is completely different. They worship a God who doesn’t love everyone, who doesn’t want to see all men come to repentance. His followers are filled with pride and condemning of others. I had to go through some really tough personal experiences to learn that, but I’m so grateful I did. I will never listen to these people again. All praise to the one true God who’s blood was spilt for all man kind, who’s grace is offered freely to anyone who believes!

Picture the pain of Servetus as he was burning alive. Picture john calvin celebrating and rejoicing afterward knowing he was the cause of Servetus death. All the deaths and chaos caused in Geneva at the hands of john calvin.

@anonymousmouse505

3 ай бұрын

you know as much about that proceeding as you do calvin himself if thats your position

Excellent!

Two years ago, as a member of the GEC (greater evangelical church) I rolled my eyes hard at this. Today, I praise God for this.

@johngodsey5327

4 жыл бұрын

As a member of GES, (grace evangelical society) i roll my eyes at this, where i didnt before. The one, according to Calvinism CANNOT waste his life if he is saved and the one not elect cannot give his life if he even wanted to. The whole argument falls apart as Calvinism under biblical scrutiny falls apart. Im currently working on a book that will re-image tulip to fit the biblical text. Calvinism is more a philosophy than a theology.

@madjack821

4 жыл бұрын

John Godsey where your argument falls apart according to scripture is that you’re assuming that one who is not elect can choose to give his life; this can’t be done according to Romans 1 and going back further to Genesis it states that once man ate from the tree, he died spiritually, therefore man has to be shown his sin and be drawn to Christ (John 6:44) also, those who are elect (His sheep) hear His voice and nothing can take them from His or the Father’s hands (John 10) As far as wasting lives, no, you can’t waste your life if you’re a believer because you’re a new creature, which we see from 2 Corinthians 5:17.

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long suffering toward us, NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH, but that ALL should come to repentance." 2Peter 3:9

@bradhamilton8542

6 жыл бұрын

And if God chooses who will have faith in Him and who will not, then this scripture means he is NOT ABLE to save everyone. That's why this is just one of many scriptures that flies in the face of Calvinist heresy/doctrine.

@datchet11

6 жыл бұрын

Brad Hamilton you are reading it wrong though, God is not willing that none should perish but all should come to repentance Gods talking about the elect those that will believe.

@bradhamilton8542

6 жыл бұрын

datchet11 3For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires ALL men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 2:3-4 I guess all means only the elect? Try to read the scripture without impressing your presuppositions onto it.

@YTTraveler777

6 жыл бұрын

Brad Hamilton Christ desired that " this cup passes from me" yet later "went to the cross for the joy set before him!" 2 conflicting wills. Sacrifice the lesser desire for the greater. What if God wishing to make His mercies known bore vessels of wrath so that the richness of His mercy would be known? Hmmmm?

@natesprunger7183

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, but not all will. God does enjoy the death of the wicked (Ezk 18:23), but the wicked will surely die. There is still hell and judgment for sinners.

Looks awesome!

Beautiful trailer. I don't know if i can call myself a Calvinist yet, haven't fully studied all of it. I do believe in predestination though, and my point is any movement that makes us go back to the Bible and dig deeper is definitely a good thing! Praise God and to Him be all the glory in Christ Jesus!!

@wtom04

6 жыл бұрын

+Sarah David Your comment - "Beautiful trailer. I don't know if i can call myself a Calvinist yet, haven't fully studied all of it. I do believe in predestination though, and my point is any movement that makes us go back to the Bible and dig deeper is definitely a good thing! Praise God and to Him be all the glory in Christ Jesus!!" My comment - If you believe in predestination then the following critical questions must be taken into consideration. If man has been predestined to perish wherefore is God's legal right to punish? Wherefore is sin? For if a man has been predestined to fulfill God's plan and he does so because he has no choice, then therefore whatever sins he does is because God predestined him to do, where is his sin? God therefore becomes the author of sin. So man was created to be what God predestined him to be, he has fulfilled God's plan, then he has obeyed God's will. Where then is man's sin? How can God proclaim a righteous wrath against those who do not obey His commands if He has predestined them not to obey His commands? How can God proclaim to be just when He creates a person to disobey Him, and then punishes that person for doing what he was predestined to do? So why would God predestine a person to love Him which is in essence God loving Himself through that person because that person has no choice? This doctrine of Calvin takes accountability and blame out of man's hands and throws it right into God's lap. If man creates a weapon and uses it to fulfill his plan to kill someone; who is guilty? the man who created the weapon or the weapon itself? In Genesis God says, "Behold, the man has become like one of us, to know good and evil" Does this mean we don't know how to choose between good and evil?

@DavidWarrior360

6 жыл бұрын

Wow that's a lot of questions and I don't hv all the answers for sure. But I don't think we need to hv them all in order to believe in predestination. God has foreknowledge because He is the beginning and end, eternal and timeless. Does that necessarily mean he actually predestines sin and evil? No I don't believe so. We are still responsible for our actions. The question remains why did He create us if we knew we were going to sin and fall and cause all this chaos and destruction. And why He is allowing satan to have his way in the world until the time of His choosing. I don't know and I don't think we will be able to understand why in this life, maybe not even in the next. If we say we trust God we need to trust Him fully. When it comes to predestination for salvation and eternal security (the two common objections to Calvinism that I know of) the Bible is pretty clear, and I think it helps when we make it personal. My brother and I both grew up together, went to church together, and went to the same Christian camp where I first heard about being born again (unfortunately didn't hear that in my church!) But although I accepted Christ and he did too (if we go just by the altar call) his conversion wasn't real as it showed soon after in his life. Till today he remains a rebel. So what was special in me that I was indeed saved? I can plainly see from God's word that it was because He chose me and no other reason. Similarly, if you ask me if I can lose my salvation, I will emphatically say NO. Again, not because I'm special or anywhere close to perfect but because it is His grace that sustains me and His power that keeps me. This obviously does not mean that I can just keep on sinning but I'm not living in fear of failure each day, and I believe the assurance of salvation is an essential part of His free gift to us. I don't quite understand the meaning of your last question. There is more than enough evidence to suggest that we don't know to choose rightly. As in we would tend to choose evil even though we know what is good, as a result of the fall. Hope I made some sense!

@wtom04

6 жыл бұрын

+Sarah David The God of the Bible never chose people in eternity past for heaven and hell. That is the "God" of Calvinism. There is a world of difference between true Biblical predestination and Calvinistic "predestination". Calvinistic "predestination" is identical to Islam's concept of FATALISM. True Biblical predestination takes place AFTER a person comes to faith in Christ. The Christian is predestinated for 3 things which takes place in the future. True Biblical predestination ONLY applies to those that are saved. 1) They are predestinated to be CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF CHRIST - Romans 8:29-30. All saved people will be like Christ. We shall be like Him - 1 John 3:2. This is a future aspect at the Rapture. 2) They are predestinated to have an INHERITANCE in heaven - Ephesians 1:11, John 14:2-4. Again, this is a future aspect. 3) They are predestinated to have GLORIFIED ETERNAL BODIES OF FLESH AND BONE, the REDEMPTION OF OUR PHYSICAL BODIES just like Jesus resurrected body described in Luke 24:39, Ephesians 1:4-5, Romans 8:23, Christ's newly resurrected glorified body is the prototype of what is to come for all saved Christians at the RAPTURE - 1 Corinthians 15:51-54, 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17. Calvinism will use the terms "predestination" and "election" interchangeably to mean the same thing, that is, salvation or damnation which is predetermined in eternity past by God. Calvinism has hijacked the words, "chose", "chosen", "elect", "election" and "predestinate" and perverted the true definition. The true definition is NOT "chose", "chosen", "elect", "election" for salvation.

@wtom04

6 жыл бұрын

+Sarah David The true Biblical definition of ELECTION is that God elects/chooses those that are saved who have willingly believed in the simple gospel of John 3:16 for SERVICE/MINISTRY/EVANGELISM. Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Mark 16:15-16 - 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. John 15:16 - Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. The below are examples of God CHOOSING/ELECTING saved people for SERVICE/MINISTRY/EVANGELISM: 1) God CHOSE the Israelites, the Jewish nation to be His chosen people. The Jews are God's ELECT - Deut 7:6, 14:2, 1 Kings 3:8, Psalms 33:12, 106:5, Isaiah 43:10, 45:4, 65:9, 22 Matthew 24:22, 31 Mark 13:20, Luke 18:7, Romans 9:11, 11:28, 2 Tim 2:10, 1 Peter 2:4. 2) God CHOSE Jesus to be the chief cornerstone - 1 Peter 2:4, 6. God chose Jesus to be the Messiah - Isaiah 42:1-4, 49:7, Matt 12:18, Luke 9:35, 23:35, John 1:34, and was chosen to die on the cross for ALL mankind - Matt 12:18, 1 Peter 2:4. 3) Jesus CHOSE 12 men to be His disciples - Luke 6:13, John 6:70, John 13:18, John 15:16, 19, Acts 1:2. God CHOSE Matthias to replace Judas Iscariot - Acts 1:24-26. 4) Saul of Tarsus who became Paul was CHOSEN by Jesus to be the apostle to the Gentiles - Acts 9:15, 13:2, 22:14-15. 5) Simon Peter was CHOSEN by God to bring the gospel message to Cornelius and his family - Acts 10:1-48, Acts 15:7. Simon Peter was CHOSEN also to be the apostle to the Jews. 6) God CHOSE Moses to lead the Israelites out of Egypt and to the Promised Land - Numbers 16:5-6. 7) God CHOSE Aaron and the tribe of Levi to be the priestly line - Numbers 17:5, 1 Sam 2:28, 2 Chronicles 29:1. God chose priests from the tribe of Levi to minister before Him in the temple and would be paid by the tithes of the people - Deut 18:5-8, 21:5, 1 Chronicles 15:2 8) God CHOSE Abraham - Nehemiah 9:7, God CHOSE Isaac and Jacob - Psalms 135:4, Isaiah 41:8, Ezekiel 20:5, and CHOSE Judah - 1 Chronicles 28:4, Psalms 78:67, to be in the line of Messiah. 9) God CHOSE David to replace King Saul and to be in the line of Messiah - 2 Samuel 6:21, 1 Kings 8:16, 1 Chronicles 28:4, 2 Chron 6:6, Psalms 89:3. 10) God CHOSE Solomon to be king after his father David - 1 Chronicles 29:1. 11) God CHOSE Mary and Joseph. Mary, the mother of Jesus - Luke 1:30, 42-45, 48. Joseph, the husband of Mary - Matthew 1:20. 12) God CHOSE Jerusalem to be His forever chosen city - Deut 15:20, Deut 16:2, 15, 1 Kings 8:44, 11:13, 14:21, 2 Kings 21:7, 23:27, 2 Chron 6:6, 34, 12:13, 33:7, Nehemiah 1:9, Psalms 132:13, Zechariah 3:2. 13) The Jewish Christians scattered in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, were the CHOSEN sojourners whom Peter wrote to and addressed them as the "ELECT" - 1 Peter 1:2.

@wtom04

6 жыл бұрын

+Sarah David One last thing, Calvinism is divided on the subject of whether or not God is the author of sin and evil. There is DOUBLE TALK and contradiction. Check this out: 1) "The sovereignty of God also teaches THAT GOD IS NOT THE RESPONSIBLE AUTHOR OF EVIL, that man is a free moral agent who is not forced to sin and who is responsible for what he does." - Grover E. Gunn, in his book, "The Doctrines of Grace", 1987, page 14. 2) "GOD IS NEITHER THE AUTHOR OF SIN, NOR SANCTIONS IT (APPROVES IF IT). HE IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR SIN, THOUGH HE DECREED IT. Those guilty of sinning are responsible." - Jay Adams, in his book, "The Grand Demonstration", page 61, 1991. 3) "God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass; yet so, as thereby NEITHER IS GOD THE AUTHOR OF SIN...." - Westminster Confession of Faith, III "Of God's Eternal Decree", item #1 4) Westminster Confession of Faith, V. "Of Providence", Item# 4 bottom paragraph it states...."as the sinfulness thereof proceedeth only from the creature, and NOT FROM GOD, WHO, BEING MOST HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS, NEITHER IS NOR CAN BE THE AUTHOR OR APPROVER OF SIN." 5) The London Confession of Faith, Chapter 5, Of Divine Providence, #4 - The almighty power, unsearchable wisdom, and infinite goodness of God, so far manifest themselves in his providence, that his determinate counsel extendeth itself even to the first fall, and all other sinful actions both of angels and men; and that not by a bare permission, which also he most wisely and powerfully boundeth, and otherwise ordereth and governeth, in a manifold dispensation to his most holy ends; yet so, as the sinfulness of their acts proceedeth only from the creatures, and NOT FROM GOD, WHO, BEING MOST HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS, NEITHER IS NOR CAN BE THE AUTHOR OR APPROVER OF SIN." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BUT HOWEVER, you have the below following eminent Calvinist apologists and John Calvin himself making totally contradictory statements that is not in line with what is asserted by Grover E. Gunn and Jay Adams who are both Calvinists as well and the Westminster Confession of Faith, and the London Confession of Faith. 1) Loraine Boettner - "Even the fall of Adam, and through him the fall of the race, was not by chance or accident, but was so ordained in the secret counsels of God" - In his book, "The Reformed doctrine of Predestination, page 234 2) Jerom Sanchius - "Surely, if God had not willed the fall, He could, and no doubt would, have prevented it; but He did not prevent it: ergo, He willed it. And if He willed it, He certainly decreed it." - In his book, "The Doctrine of Absolute Predestination" page 88. 3) A.W. Pink - "Plainly it was God's will that sin should enter this world, otherwise it would not have entered, for nothing happens save as God has eternally decreed. Moreover, there was more than a bare permission, for God only permits that which He has purposed." In his book, "The Sovereignty of God" page 147, (1961). 4) A.W. Pink - "Not only did His omniscient eye see Adam eating of the forbidden fruit, but He decreed beforehand that he should do so." In his book, "The Sovereignty of God" page 249 5) Edwin Palmer - "IT IS EVEN BIBLICAL TO SAY THAT GOD HAS FOREORDAINED SIN. If sin was outside the plan of God, then not a single important affair of life would be ruled by God." In his book, "The 5 Points of Calvinism" page 82 6) Edwin Palmer - "All things that happen in all the world at any time and in all history-whether with inorganic matter, vegetation, animals, man, or angels (both the good and evil ones)-come to pass because God ordained them. EVEN SIN -- THE FALL OF THE DEVIL FROM HEAVEN, THE FALL OF ADAM, AND EVERY EVIL THOUGHT, WORD, AND DEED IN ALL OF HISTORY, INCLUDING THE WORST SIN OF ALL, Judas’ betrayal of Christ-is included in the eternal decree of our holy God." - page 120, Edwin Palmer - in his book, "The 5 Points of Calvinism". 7) Edwin Palmer - "SIN IS NOT ONLY FOREKNOWN BY GOD, IT IS ALSO FOREORDAINED BY GOD" - On page 122, 1980 in his book, ""The 5 Points of Calvinism". 8) William Shedd - "Nothing comes to pass contrary to his desire. Nothing happens by chance. Even moral evil, which He abhors and forbids, occurs "by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God." In his book, "Calvinism: Pure and Mixed, page 37, 1986. 9) J. Gresham Machen - "All things including even the wicked actions of wicked men and devils -- are brought to pass in accordance with God's eternal purpose." In his book, "Christian View of Man, page 46, 1965. 10) William Shedd - "Sin is one of the "whatsoevers" that have "come to pass", all of which are "ordained". In his book, "Calvinism" Pure and Mixed, page 31, 1986 Finally we have JOHN CALVIN: John Calvin falsely taught that God is the author of sin and evil. 1) "Thieves and murderers, and other evildoers, are instruments of divine providence, being employed by the Lord himself to execute judgments which he has resolved to inflict." From Calvin's "Institutes of the Christian Religion" - Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 5. 2) "The devil, and the whole train of the ungodly, are in all directions, held in by the hand of God as with a bridle, so that they can neither conceive any mischief, nor plan what they have conceived, nor how muchsoever they may have planned, move a single finger to perpetrate, unless in so far as he permits, NAY UNLESS IN SO FAR AS HE COMMANDS, THAT THEY ARE NOT ONLY BOUND BY HIS FETTERS BUT ARE EVEN FORCED TO DO HIM SERVICE." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 11. 3) "I admit that in this miserable condition wherein men are now bound, all of Adam's children have FALLEN BY GOD'S WILL." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 4. 4) "The first man fell because the Lord deemed it meet that he should." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter, 23, Paragraph 8. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY COMMENT -The above is what I call DOUBLE TALK where Calvinists say 2 different things out of their mouths contradicting themselves.

Wow a movie about Calvinism, I though it was about Jesus not Calvin

@majesticmelvin

6 жыл бұрын

Redimido42 Bendiciones, The movie is actually more about the reformation and the teachings of reformed theology. Completely centered on Jesus Christ. 😁 and using ONLY The HOLY BIBLE. 😇

@steenystuff1075

4 жыл бұрын

@@majesticmelvin As twisted by Augustine in the 4th century and reiterated by Zwingli and Calvin in the 19th century. All as lost as each other. But that's what happens when men seek glory from one another instead of from the One True God.

@ih8lies339

4 жыл бұрын

@@majesticmelvin Acts 16:31 “And they said, Believe the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Calvanist are all hell bound because they refuse to believe on the true Jesus Christ who paid every single Sin that has existed and will exist. John 3:19 is their judgment. Stay away from these Calvanists.

It's easy to criticize the poorest examples of "evangelicalism" (prosperity teachers), and then present Calvinism as the answer. Answer for what? The straw man you've set up.

@aztec0112

7 жыл бұрын

It's easy to criticize the Calvinist when you have no answers of your own.

@pauldickinson6163

7 жыл бұрын

Your saved by accepting Jesus Christ and turning from ALL sin! Not 1 or 2 but all sin and living a holy righteous life. Thats how you are saved and calvinsm and mormons and jehovah-false witnesses are all teaching that you can live a sinful life and still go to Heaven. But Im here to tell you; No you cannot! You cant be a sinner and a saint you can only serve one master and that should be God our Holy father. God bless

@pauldickinson6163

7 жыл бұрын

Calvinism teaches a Tulip doctrine which is false! There arent certain people chosen to be saved almost anyone can be saved, except for the people with a reprobate mind. Calvinism also teaches that we are "born sinners" which is also false. Calvinism also teaches unconditional election, saying that few are elected by God and you cant do anything. No You have the free will to choose God he will never never force you to serve him. Calvinism has alot more false teaching which are wrong. Wanna be saved its simple, Believe in our almighty creator, dont just live by faith but with works to, Dont just live by works but with faith too, And Dont SIN! Turn away from all sin we can give up all sin! God bless

@pauldickinson6163

7 жыл бұрын

Ok what makes you think that God picks who he wants saved. It mentions in Revelation 22:17, "And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." Take the water of life freely you know what water He is talking about? "But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life"(John 3:14) Jesus is talking about the Holy Ghost, whosoever has the Holy Ghost shall not thirst again, Hes talking about his Holy Ghost that will be in us like a well of springing water. And so in Revelation its saying "let him take the water of life freely, The water of life is Symbolic to the Holy Ghost we take the Holy Ghost freely God will never force the Holy Ghost into us. We accept it freely. Otherwise were is the beautifulness of the cross. Heres a Good analogy i like to use for free will, Ok you touch the a fire and its instinct to pull your hand back, Right? Now you have the choice to put your hand back on the fire or just dont haha. Same Goes with sinning, If you sin then its instinct for your conscience to bother you because God put it in our minds to know that, "I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:"(Hebrews 8:10) See Gods law is for us to not sin, So thats why when we commit a transgression against the Lord its instinct for our conscience to bother us because its wrong, Now if i commit a sin my conscience will bother me, but i have the choice to not do that again if i dont want my conscience to bother me. So we have the free will to choose God, God will never force us to become his servants. Now Salvation is up to both us and God, God cant make you stop sinning you have to take action to, its not just God, yes he can help you to stop sinning but he will never force you to stop sinning he gives us a clear cut choice, Heaven or Hell, sin or no sin. God will always help us, "I can do all things through Christ which strengthen me"(Philippians 4:13) That includes sin, see we cant just ask God, "make me stop sinning", No we have to take action ourselves to and figure out whats making us sin and cut it off! And when God sees that we have cut off all sin He will be helping you and guiding you when temptations come. God bless

@YTTraveler777

6 жыл бұрын

paul dickinson Yes God talks to us as if it is our effort needed and we must make all the effort we can but why you think you can even make an effort? You were DEAD! It was a miracle you were raised to life! Did you raise you to life? You are sinnless now? Really? You never sin? Wow. You must really be an angelic being! We are no longer dead in sin but rightousness is worked out in us through the rest of our life. Only in the next plain if existence shall we be completed and sinnless! You misunderstand scripture or worse, purposefully distort them! If you are a married man all we got to do is talk to your wife. She will tell us how sinnful you are... Daily. Humble yourself brother. You know not what you proclaim to believe!

looks great

Joel Osteen and ken hagin should not been used at all. Now, mr. Washer is an Arminian. This means that free-will & common grace are in the salvation equation..

Calvin earnestly pursed many who believed in things he did not, to kill them for their beliefs. I dare say many professing Calvinists today would be on Calvin's execution list. One of the many "heresies" that Calvin persecuted others for believing, was a denial of the efficacy of infant baptism.

@thinslayer8026

7 жыл бұрын

It's not John Calvin I'm following; I follow the Bible. The man was a human, like all of us, and as such committed his own batch of terrible sins. I choose the label Calvinist simply because it fits, not because I follow the guy.

@ZandarKoad

7 жыл бұрын

I suppose naming yourself a Christian would not then mean you follow that guy either...?

@repulo

7 жыл бұрын

Calvin didn't kill anybody, come on! He was not a Geneve citizen, he didn't not have the right to vote on these issues, his opinion did not matter. Worldly magistrates charged Servet to death based upon the laws of the time. Go and learn some history, pleeease!

@ZandarKoad

7 жыл бұрын

Calvin didn't kill anybody with his bare hands, but he did use all of his considerable power to see his religious opponents executed. History teaches clearly that many of these people who were executed had personally debated with Calvin publicly, and Calvin publicly and repeatedly (in writing) called for their execution if they failed to recant from their opposing religious views. Calvin's opinion DID matter. It was a major deciding factor in many of the cases. Calvin's teachings had great political power in his time. In November 1552 the Geneva Council declared Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion to be a "holy doctrine which no man might speak against." That was before some of the most famous executions took place. Calvin himself writes in his own books about 23 separate executions in which he played a role by offering religious & philosophical justification(s) for the executions. He may have contributed to as many as 38 executions (or more). It's true, Calvin was not a judge, or a jury member, or a councilman, or a governor. To my knowledge he had no official political office in the trials and executions. But he was personally present at times, because those who were in political power would call him in, essentially as an expert witness to offer testimony against the accused. Even when he wasn't personally present for the trial, he was personally present for some executions, and he wrote extensively on why it was good to kill the accused "heretics." This is recorded history, my friend.

@YTTraveler777

6 жыл бұрын

ZandarKoad Your history is skewed. Besides, how can you hold a man accountable in the past by todays standards and sensibilities? What if in the future society outlaws abortion finnaly but before your wife stupidly got one and years from now an enlightened people judged you and your wifes morality and saved status by their standards on abortion?

I'd love to see James white debate bob wilkin again. James white got destroyed. Jesus died for all

@nberrios777

6 жыл бұрын

357 Trent Then no one will go to hell.

@karldarwin1253

6 жыл бұрын

He do for Judas? Pharaoh? and other reprobate? God's plan destroyed by human's freewill?? your god doesnt exist.

@nberrios777

6 жыл бұрын

357 Trent I disagree with your conclusion. Biblical debates require Bible verses, not human logic that is influenced by emotions. The winner of the debate is the one who uses Bible Scripture alone. Doctrine that relies more on logic is a false one.

this looks promising!

Spent many many years in the Word of Faith & Prosperity movement thinking that was Christianity. But the more I read and studied my Bible the more I saw the WoF theology was man derived not God breathed. Unfortunately, because some of their teaching are certainly biblical, it takes a lot of Bible reading to notice the flaws. I then spent a few years in a neo-evangelical church (sinner friendly, emergent) that used a lot of worldly philosophy mixed with Bible to convince their followers they are truly Christian. Fortunately, because of years spent following scripture rather than teachings of men, it was easy to identify the errors. Then I noticed a lot of solid expository Bible teaching coming from ministers featured in this video and the American Gospel. But the more I listened, the more I became aware of the then using techniques used by the WoF and Neo-Evangelical preachers - they would redefine words to change the clear teaching of certain verses. This is when I started looking into "reform theology". What I sadly discovered is that the people who follow the teachings of people like Calvin and Luther are as guilty as the others of polluting the living water of the word to promote the teaching of men rather than God. One thing I noticed in common with the false teachers from both extremes, is often their arrogance, and their pride in their knowledge. It was good to see people like Costi Hinn be "delivered" from the heresies of WoF, but sad to see them simply change their submission to one form of man made theology for another. My trust and hope is that the God of the Bible is greater than that, and moves in the hearts and minds of all who sincerely desire and seek Him and His truth.

@reformedcraftsman3373

2 жыл бұрын

This is a late comment I know, but it sounds like you think you have the truth. Do you mind sharing it with others? I've read the entire bible and the new testament multiple times, I'm curious what you have to say.

@colinnorris4156

2 жыл бұрын

@@reformedcraftsman3373 Way too much to reply to. Recommend book What Love is This by Dave Hunt. You Tube Channel Beyond the Fundamentals (this is crammed with theological terms at times, so takes some time to get used to). One main issue is that Predestination, Election, Chosen, and Grace are words Reform Theology has hijacked to have certain meanings and then go on to distort all other biblical doctrines to align with those definitions - just like Word Of Faith does with Faith and Believe. Another issue is the TULIP fundamentals and what they imply which is contrary to clear reading of scripture. For example Calvinism changes Whosoever believes, to mean whosoever is chosen, or only those who are chosen will believe. And even though the Bible says God wills that none should perish but all come to repentance, Calvinism insists that even though His grace is irresistible (if God chose you, you have no choice in whether you will love Him or come to Him - He makes you do it), His Atonement is limited. In the words of Dave Hunt - What Love is This? Finally, this clip divides Christianity into two camps Reform Theology and Extreme. If you don't agree with the extreme, you should therefore embrace Reform Theology. There is another camp - Bible Believers. The good news is that if you are genuine about knowing the truth to walk righteously, and not just about shoring up your indoctrination into Calvinism, the Holy Spirit will lead you in that journey to see the false teachings.

@reformedcraftsman3373

2 жыл бұрын

@@colinnorris4156 Do you believe that God chooses people only if they choose Him first? No one who has a basic understanding of the Bible can deny that it mentions predestination, election, and God's sovereign choice. I'm curious how you think it those things happen. Whether it's the molinist or arminian understanding since it's not the reformed understanding. I assume you would believe it's based on human action that activates God's election?

@colinnorris4156

2 жыл бұрын

@@reformedcraftsman3373 Can't you see what you just did? You went down the Reform Theology argument trail. Then you say anyone who has a basic understanding of the Bible believes reform theology teaching and claiming that the Calvinist (Augustinian) definitions of election, predestination and chosen are Biblical. You are using your presuppositions to say what scripture means. It might surprise you to discover that not everyone is either Calvinist or Arminianist - responding to God's calling is not giving Him permission to choose. You need to read Dave Hunt's book as a place to start to see the Calvinist false doctrines you have accepted without question and made part of your truth. It is so wound into scripture though that it can take years to be set fully free from it - the same with Word of Faith. I'm not going to keep replying to questions that seem to suggest you do not want to know, but rather to defend YOUR beliefs. But if you do want to know, at least start with Dave Hunt's book What Love is This.

@reformedcraftsman3373

2 жыл бұрын

@@colinnorris4156 What I just did? I just asked your beliefs on predestination, election, and how it happens. I got nowhere close to saying everyone who reads the Bible believes reformed theology. I'm dumbfounded as to how you came to that conclusion. I didn't use any presuppositions to say what scripture means, or anything for that matter because all I did was ask you questions about your beliefs. Again, I'm dumbfounded as to how you came to that conclusion as well. It's ironic you accuse me of having presuppositions. The only thing I said that wasn't a question, is anyone who has read the Bible can't deny that those terms are in there, and I asked for your thoughts about those terms. You did a classic dodge by pointing a finger at me saying I want to argue, and didn't even attempt to answer any question I asked. I have no desire to win an argument. I have intelligent, friendly discussions all the time about this topic. It's unfortunate that couldn't happen here. You claim to have this truth that calvinists and the wof don't have, I asked you about this truth you have and you've come nowhere close to demonstrating that to be true. All you've done is show that you can't have an adult conversation with someone who has a different opinion than you.

Calvinism is diametrically opposed to Christian orthodoxy. They position themselves as the sound alternative to the errors of liberalism, however it is merely providing a choice between two errors. My prayer is that all come to Christ and those in bondage to Augustinian philosophy be set free.

@GoodPersonTestWebsite

3 ай бұрын

Calvinism is not the opposite of liberalism. It's the opposite of arminianism. Believers of both can be solid conservative brothers. But Calvinism is merely reading the Word, honestly.

Calvinism: #somelivesmatter

@nphoenixcrimefighter

7 жыл бұрын

How does one rethink, comprehension?

@nphoenixcrimefighter

7 жыл бұрын

Limited (some) Atonement (matter)

@20july1944

7 жыл бұрын

Galavar, in what way do the lives of the "unelect" matter in Calvinism? That is a GREAT tag line!

@20july1944

7 жыл бұрын

No, Galavar, God can't act *selfishly* (for His glory) and *cruelly* (via others' suffering) and *unforgivingly* (eternal punishment) AND be "loving". That's the problem, His character, not His power.

@nphoenixcrimefighter

7 жыл бұрын

:) Also: "Do Calvinists learn from their mistakes?"

This is why every christian needs The Gift of distinguishing between spirits ( discernment ) ( 1st Cor 12:4 ) Ephesians 1:17

@theTavis01

Жыл бұрын

Not every Christian has every spiritual gift, and thinking you can discern spirits when you really cannot is very dangerous territory....

Waiting!!

@TheHumbuckerboy

Жыл бұрын

Still waiting ?

Calvinist explain this to me. If as you say God is control of every single action then explain Satan. Did God create Lucifer or did He create Satan? Did God force Satan to become Satan? Did God make him rebel? If so then according to the Calvinist God would become the author of sin. If God is the author and creator of sin then logically every sin you or I commit God made us do it.

@nberrios777

6 жыл бұрын

Keith God is not the author of sin. He made lucifer with a choice to obey because Lucifer was sinless and therefore in a neutral position -- unlike us.... Born in sin... Born sinners without any hope for salvation except through Christ who gave us eternal life according to the will of the Father alone.

@nova-russense

Жыл бұрын

Keit, "Yes" answer all your questions. The Bible says it. I recommend you to read _The Author of Sin,_ by Vincent Cheung. He is a theologian that makes all his works available for free on the internet.

#calvinismiscancer

@20july1944

7 жыл бұрын

I have my new favorite YT girl!

@20july1944

7 жыл бұрын

What was filthy about what fair Adrienne said?

@20july1944

7 жыл бұрын

I understand your claim but I completely disagree. JWs and Mormons (and perhaps SDAs) could reasonably be described as a cancer despite "teaching from the Bible". A cancer is a deadly perversion of healthy cells, so I would agree with Adrienne that Calvinism *is* a cancer *unless it is true* (which we can't prove either way) because God is fundamentally different if Calvinism is true or is not true. Arguing from the Bible is no guarantee the conclusions are good.

@20july1944

7 жыл бұрын

On what topic, Galavar?

@20july1944

7 жыл бұрын

I've already explained, 1. Cancer is a deadly perversion of healthy tissue, so that's a decent analogy. 2. I see a strong similarity between Calvinism and Naziism: a. both have a triumphant and superior in-group and a loathsome, inferior out-group that is evil in a way the in-group don't understand until the pure doctrine (Calvinism or Naziism) enlightens them. b. both Calvinism and Naziizm are so evil on their face that it takes time for the neophytes to become hardened to the horror of the ideology. Some Calvinist (Whitefield? Edwards?) talked about struggling before embracing the horror and cruelty. The Commandant of Auschwitz, Rudolf Hoess, had a similar passage about what a struggle it was to deal with exterminating their "unelect" but it had to be done. *3. I don't believe in fairies, that's ridiculous. I am a folklorist, however, and I do read fairy stories, inter alia.*

Just finding this trailer in 2022.

Refreshing 🙏🏼📖

@steenystuff1075

4 жыл бұрын

Refreshing is from the Lord. Not the bastardised theology of Calvin and his predecessor Augustine.

@ih8lies339

4 жыл бұрын

Acts 16:31 “And they said, Believe the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Calvanist are all hell bound because they refuse to believe on the true Jesus Christ who paid every single Sin that has existed and will exist. John 3:19 is their judgment. Stay away from these Calvanists.

All the hereticks unite in one movie🤔

@davidpallmann8046

4 жыл бұрын

Okay, Calvinism is definitely flawed but let's not go around playing the heretic card.

That's so sad that the film was made for the promotion of calvinism and not Jesus.

@koriclaypool9548

7 жыл бұрын

Катя Фомина it is about Jesus.

@shadowblade9951

7 жыл бұрын

Calvinism is a theological framework that teaches scripture, which is about Jesus.

@KatiaFomina

7 жыл бұрын

Not all Christians are calvinists, I am not a calvinist. And as well I think it's better to tell people who don't know Jesus about God, not a theological framework that some christians believe.

@koriclaypool9548

7 жыл бұрын

Катя Фомина do you think you chose Jesus?

@koriclaypool9548

7 жыл бұрын

Катя Фомина it is a theological framework Jesus said in the Bible.

Great movie

This is like offering extreme conservatism as an answer to extreme liberalism. Calvinism isn’t the answer. It’s the pendulum swinging the other way.

God created hell for Satan and his angels not for falling man otherwise Jesus would have told us. That verse alone destroys Calvinism. Calvinist teach a work based salvation. Whosoever will call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. You guys have perverted the Gospel and preach another Gospel and another Jesus. Y'all need to repent.

@godssoulja5062

7 жыл бұрын

Galavar Jorinsson I abhor a gospel that uses the same terminology as me but yet have hidden meanings behind those words and don't actually believe the simple meaning of words found. Jesus said verily verily he who believeth in me has everlasting life. Are you still sinning today yes and so am I but Jesus saves us from sin and we are justified the moment we believe in him. Calvinist believe you are already saved before you even call on his name which is false doctrine Calvinism is just God picking some and condemning the others without anyone having a choice in the matter. It's forign to scripture.

@godssoulja5062

7 жыл бұрын

Galavar Jorinsson go look up freewill offering go read Leviticus and you will see many different offerings ending with doing it in one's own freewill! read the KJV please. and so far everyone is not responding to my question if Jesus said hell was created for the devil and his angels and not falling man why then in God's sovereign knowledge not mention those who he ain't gonna choose are going to hell also in that verse?

@godssoulja5062

7 жыл бұрын

I'm the elect that is why I don't believe in Calvinism many false teachers will come trying to decive the very elect if that were even possible.

@dollagm

7 жыл бұрын

"I'm one of the elect that is why I believe in Calvinism - many false teachers will come trying to deceive the very elect if that were even possible"

@20july1944

7 жыл бұрын

Asking nicely or punishing them forever if they don't, Dollagm. Actually, God is quite brutal in most Christian theologies, if that's what you're looking for.

Calvinism is heresy

@YTTraveler777

6 жыл бұрын

The Children of the Living God KJV Baptist Hey FYI, King James was a homosexual. Your church thinks one version of Bible is the only "true" one and its not even the best translation. Pastor Anderson, whom I defended against liberals and athiests, is rather a glutton for self-inflicted bad reputation....yet you have the hypocritical gull to trash Paul Washer! My, how some Christians eat their own!

@joshuam7957

6 жыл бұрын

PrefixToEpiphany King James didn't write the Bible. God did.

@FriendlyHistory

6 жыл бұрын

The Children of the Living God KJV Baptist the fact that you have a bible version in your name of your church shows that you need not start calling Calvinism a heresy

@nberrios777

6 жыл бұрын

Arminiaism (free will) is pure heresy. It was declared a heresy by the early church fathers when it was first introduced by Pelagius.

@kirilhristov9024

6 жыл бұрын

Do a study on Calvinism, Sir. You're ignorant.

coming here now..any like anyone can pls help me with watching this movie

Sweet!

@TheHumbuckerboy

Жыл бұрын

Great band !

Calvinism is not the answer just because Joel Osteen and his ilk are a problem. Calvinism you see ignores what the Bible clearly teaches, on all of its 5 points. That's not to say that Arminius got it completely right, the answer lies in looking back to Scripture. I could give references etc but I really recommend actually down to some reading and making a new and different film.

@4truthlovefaith

7 жыл бұрын

Good News This Morning I agree. Pendulum swinging from one extreme to the other. Urgh. Sad.

@20july1944

7 жыл бұрын

What is the difference between the elect and the unelect, Nick?

@TheRealCestus

7 жыл бұрын

I could back up my position, but instead I wont. Insightful stuff right there.

@20july1944

7 жыл бұрын

Mark Hannan: I don't see that you even took a position, so you weren't insightful at all, yet. What is the difference between the elect and the unelect?

@TheRealCestus

7 жыл бұрын

Talking about the original comment, not yours. The difference between the elect and the unelect is faith. Even the most staunch synergist must admit as much.

Condescending, arrogant, and conflating opposing views into easily taken down straw men... just like almost every conservative Calvinist I've ever met

@treymedley

7 жыл бұрын

Point made, again

@treymedley

7 жыл бұрын

I've had this discussion about the substance of Calvinism in many ways, and youtube comment sections is probably the worst way. My issue here is with the attitude (not the substancE) indicative of most conservative (maybe even just evangelical) calvinists. They assume that either I'm too dumb, or haven't actually studied it yet, or a full blown "liberal" who hates the bible. I can assure you 1) I'm finishing a PhD from an elite university in Philosophical Theology, so yes I have studied it quite extensively and 2) I actually believe in the inerrancy of the bible, and 3) I'm definitely not the health, wealth/ name it and claim it/ prosperity/ Osteen-ism type camp. I'm not interested in a youtube comment war about the substance of calvinism (because that won't get anywhere), I am more considered with the attitude toward those who disagree. It's just full of arrogance and condescension and a general failure to acknowledge the lens through which you read Scripture (namely a 17th century Dutch Reformed lens).

@TheSidikRam

7 жыл бұрын

Trey, that "arrogance" you speak of is definitely out there. I've experienced it 100% - but the people behind this film are not part of that.

@treymedley

7 жыл бұрын

I disagree. It's definitely not as intense as many, but it definitely conflates all non-calvinists as either dumb (with respect to their faith) or intentionally deceitful, and implies that if you *were* smart and if you *did* read the bible and believe it then you would definitely become a Calvinist. That's just not true. Good, intelligent people who are committed to the veracity of the bible and the proclamation of the word can disagree about Dortian Calvinism (which is the particular brand often just labeled "Calvinism"). The issue is that there is an ignorance of the more complex picture of history surrounding the emergence of Dortian Calvinism (and its spread) than most of this brand of Calvinism are willing to study. They prefer the single perspective, "great men" view of history (where Jean Calvin alone stood for truth and others gathered to whom; then those at Dort had to defend this truth against those bent on twisting it because the latter were willfully sinful), which is just false. I am not a Dortian Calvinist, but I do read (and very much appreciate) John Calvin. That said, I also know he was flawed (as all men are) and went to some extremes. I also know that the Synod at Dort was more of a power grab than any idea of doctrinal purity (though that was the justification). The real history is very complex, and the theological discussion is much more robust than TULIP or ROSES or whatever other pithy acronym you want. I didn't go to a watered down religious tradition; my parents did encourage me to study the bible; I never had this idea of a "loose" connection; I find John Piper's "Don't Waste your Life" simultaneously inspiring and terribly misguided by a war time mentality (speaking of arrogance, John It's-ok-for-me-to-get-a-PhD-but-no-one-else Piper epitomizes the "soft" form of Calvinist arrogance). I would find a nuanced view of this fairly recent phenomenon much more interesting than the "hero" story that the young restless and reformed represent a move "out of darkness, light." Incidentally, that guy's Latin is a little off Post Tenebras Lux is not "out of darkness, light," but "after darkness, light." Incidentally, while it was utilized heavily by Jean Calvin, it actually comes from the Latin Vulgate (translated by Jerome) where Job declares "Post tenebras spero lucem" (after darkiness, I hope for light). So yay catholicism?

@20july1944

7 жыл бұрын

I can handle a debate, Galavar. Why does the Westminster Shorter Catechism deny the unelect are human?

I think I’m gonna watch. I’m not a Calvinist and will never be. But it’s does look very well done.

@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou

2 жыл бұрын

How was it?

@tawnie9204

2 жыл бұрын

Not a Calvinist either.

@Rocku01

2 жыл бұрын

@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou have not watched it yet.

@Rocku01

2 жыл бұрын

@@tawnie9204 👍 I am open minded though. Gods ways are not our ways so instead of being Calvinist I am humble. Can I get an amen in this comment section?

PRAISE THE LORD I DIDNT KNOW THERE WAS SO MANY OF US. THANK YOU LORD GOD FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING.