I have a 2005 Toyota Prius. It has had 2 problems in 18+ years that were fixed for less than $500 each episode. Runs perfectly.

@momoneyinvesting

4 ай бұрын

Japan and China have a wildly different philosophy towards quality and building customer trust

@jasonkid2298

Ай бұрын

Haha, the reliability is no longer an issue for China-made cars as they have even better quality compared to Toyota. Obviously the Japanse are better at building customer trust as they are always telling lie. Even worse, they cheat themselves. A car with no transmission, what kind of problem can occur? So the same thing to BYD Dmi system and other single-tap DHT system in China. One funny thing, a Prius similar system Toyota hybrid car was sold at CNY200K, but now CNY97K, what happened?

@estelalopez6929

Ай бұрын

My dad’s Toyota truck is from 1999 and it has problems…a lot of

@FellTheSky

Ай бұрын

@@jasonkid2298 better than toyota? LMAO If you want to lie, at least make it believable.

@ComsiCaterpillar

16 күн бұрын

Yea ... but a Prius is about as ugly and boring as life gets ... owning one is like being half dead already

The complaint numbers do not look like they are normalized for number of cars sold, and as BYD is now the biggest selling car brand in China would it not be expected to have the most complaints? Interesting that the complaints are predominantly about hybrid mode switching (i.e. PHEVs not BEVs) and pricing (which is not a reliability issue!) - no break out of hybrid mode switching and pricing complaints so we don't know which is greater. Interesting on the SEAL, maybe thats why its not selling so well although it scored 5 on NCAP so interesting.

@JoePolaris

9 ай бұрын

Very good points!

@StephenChadwick-qd1wu

9 ай бұрын

Exactly

@StephenGillie

9 ай бұрын

Biggest selling car brand in North China (PRC) - how big is BYD in South China (ROC)?

@thedualtransition6070

9 ай бұрын

@@StephenGillie There is no such thing as north and south China, there is the island province that the nationalists retreated to after being defeated by the CPC which the US stopped the Chinese from reintegrating into China properly. The island of Taiwan (23.5 million population) does not allow auto exports from the China mainland (1.4 billion population), even Tesla has to export from non-mainland locations to Taiwan. Therefore, your question is deeply misleading and manipulative.

@raidene1800

9 ай бұрын

​@@thedualtransition6070he seems to be living in a parallel universe😂

Number doesn't mean much without knowing how many were sold and in use. All the top complaints seem to be the popular cars too.

@santjojo1

10 ай бұрын

Yes, it's more accurate to know the % of complaints.

@haroldong4616

9 ай бұрын

Absolutely. Need to know the ratio. Compare using ratios is more meaningful.

@norme1850

9 ай бұрын

Regardless of the numbers. I saw a video interviewing Chinese EV car owners who were complaining that auto insurance companies won't insure their vehicles because of a possible battery fire.

@lawrencecoleman6998

9 ай бұрын

Re: Shanghai Tesla. Our new Shanghai built Mod Y arrived in perfect condition internally and externally. Absolutely no issues at all. Had it now 4 months and 0 problems.😊

@haroldong4616

9 ай бұрын

@@lawrencecoleman6998 Nice to know. I intend to 1 soon. However, once it had been widely accepted, a worry is simultaneous combustion of many EVs in an enclosed carpark. After 9-11, , tis scenerio is not impossible

Well...I live in China and i've never heard of BYD EVs catching fire...only some incidents with NIO and Tesla...

@chillfluencer

10 ай бұрын

Not even with the unsafest old ternary batteries were there ever as many fires as with ICEs.

@dxelson

10 ай бұрын

That's impossible 😂 I'm Chinese and I've seen "black" posts about Tesla and BYD

@davidbeppler3032

10 ай бұрын

Did you know, if you pour gasoline in the cabin of a Tesla and throw a lighter through the window the MEDIA will call it a battery fire?! It is true!

@cwdjdsd-36321cs

10 ай бұрын

@@davidbeppler3032 well then anyone can do it to BYD too

@Metapharsical

10 ай бұрын

"I live in China" ... I'm curious, what VPN are you using to access KZread 🤔 -10 social credit points for you 🇨🇳 comrade. please report to your local Police station for mandatory tea. Did Chinese State Media also tell you only 2 people died during the recent floods in Beijing, and the previous Zhuhai tunnel flood?!?

"Atmospheric tanks" are most likely the carbon canisters filters that capture fumes from the fuel tank and send those fumes to the engine to be burned... rather than allowing them to escape and pollute the atmosphere. Without the gas engine firing up from time to time these carbon canister filters become saturated and will allow leakage of the fumes into the air. By turning on the engine, a vacuum line that runs from the engine to the canisters purges those fumes. This is the crazy world we live in of regulations to control pollution from ICE engines. The manufacturer has to turn on the engine and create more particulate pollution and CO2 in order to purge carbon canisters of fumes so that they won't leak into the atmosphere. Go Figure!!

@andrewsaint6581

9 ай бұрын

And use precious metals in catalytic-converters and "pig pyss" in diesels.

@Studio89Graphic

9 ай бұрын

@@andrewsaint6581 Drive less buy less Cars more Bicycles not E-bikes In the 1960-1970's One Head of Household worked fed a whole family of 3 or 4 (1 or 2 kids and mostly Men working) Then came the 1980 and 2000 where more women work than men; and everyone Drives; so, even to speak of better fuel mileage cars/vehicles we = the world as a whole create daily Pollutants C02/and or Methane to the upper Air = Trapping Heat and more (causing Climate Extremes) End of Elon-gates story. "BEV save the World" 😂 😆...

@chefineer

4 ай бұрын

​@@andrewsaint6581no not all Euro 6 diesels need exhaust fluid. Mine is dry

@chefineer

4 ай бұрын

​@@Studio89GraphicIf you cared about CO2 you would stop using the internet. The electricity to po wer it is greater all CO2 from global aviation. It is going to double in 2 years, and could be 15% of all global CO2 by 2030. If you cared wouldnt you stop

As BYD make and sell more cars than any other manufacturer other than Tesla there are bound to be more complaints pro rata. Would be interesting to see the math based on percentages of the cars in the road.

@DimitarBerberu

10 ай бұрын

They sell increasingly more than Tesla as well.

@davidbeppler3032

10 ай бұрын

Toyota builds more than 10.6 million cars a year. How many cars do you think BYD builds?

@DimitarBerberu

10 ай бұрын

​@@davidbeppler3032 2022 Byd2.17m Tesla1.37m Toyota10.7m Same pattern as Android, iOS, Nokia. BYD >+100%/y, Tesla ~+50%/y & Toyota stagnant. In few years, BYD & Chinese brands will be dominant by any measure.

@joshuarosen465

10 ай бұрын

​@@davidbeppler3032This was a complaint list in China, it wasn't worldwide. BYD far outsells Toyota in China. However Toyota was on this list.

@Metapharsical

10 ай бұрын

+10 social credits for you 🇨🇳Comrade

These kind of news are 'non-news'. BYD has various factories and e.g. Europe receives cars from factories that have a spotless track record. I was in a BYD car just yesterday. The only thing that is an 'issue' here in Europe is the pricing. Also thanks for the constant news coverage.

@protagonist9716

10 ай бұрын

Your right and considering Tesla has been facing Quality issues for over a decade u can crystal clearly see Viking bias here

@chillfluencer

10 ай бұрын

That will change. Why? Unlike Tesla BYD doesn't gain attention through a person like Musk. Therefore selling online doesn't work for now. That's why BYD uses resellers to get known. After that it will switch to selling online and thus prices will turn out low.

@toms5996

10 ай бұрын

@@protagonist9716 I have to say I'm only a person who follows news - in my case news specifically in the Northern Europe. I am fully aware of Tesla's quality issues. However the issues I know of are mainly about cosmetics or how the car has been put together. Please tell me if there has been serious issues. (Using 'self driving' is not a quality issue in my book but stupidity😉 I'm also not a 'fanboy' on any brand - I'm a bit of a bore in the sense that I only follow news and want what is best for us, the consumers.) Also, I'm not saying cosmetic issues or similar issues are not serious. Here in Europe you get a new car, though, if the car is not to your liking.

@dxelson

10 ай бұрын

​@@chillfluencerfirst step is having people buying your car Brom a broker price😢

@toms5996

10 ай бұрын

@@chillfluencer In Europe BYD is like all other car brands. You have BMWs, Volvos and BYDs in the same spaces. BYD for some reason has high prices comparative to that of the most expensive cars - I have no idea why they would do that here. Does BYD think it will make them more attractive to European customers? European customers are like any other - we look at the price, quality and follow news. Edit: I think I made a mistake in all of my comments what comes to BYD. Here in Europe we have only BYD EVs - I have no idea how BYDs other cars are performing.

I'm very disappointed in the Philippine EV landscape so far.... You can get a BYD Dolphin, but they want way too much for it... You can't get the BYD Seal.... Not interested in the other choices... Still no Teslas yet...

The only major problem with my 2011 Volt (a plug in hybrid) has been the failur of the battery after 12 years.

@DishNetworkDealerNEO

9 ай бұрын

Seek out Gruber Motors, in Arizona. There is a likelihood that only one cell in the pack is shorted down and that will significantly reduce the engineered range. Older Tesla cars suffer in the same manner. Gruber is also on KZread.

@ComsiCaterpillar

16 күн бұрын

not to mention it's ugly and boring.

Hybrid cars are already known in the USA to be the number one type to catch fire (3475:100,000 sales)gasoline ice is second at (1530:100,000 sales) and a very distant third is Battery EV with a paltry (25.1:100,000 sales) catching fire. So the trend is no different in China than anywhere else in the world. Same problem, too much dissimilar technology shoved into an aerodynamic shell!

@donaldfit7753

9 ай бұрын

Exactly, all statistics need to have context. Without it, very difficult to interpret the numbers.

@andyl200

7 ай бұрын

where did you get the data?

I have just moved to China and wanted to do long road trips so I was so determined to buy a plug in hybrid but now Ive watch this video 😢

Reuters reported in January 2024 that BYD sold about 1.4 million plug-in hybrid EVs in 2023. Assuming an average of 117K hybrid EVs sold per month, that's a 2% customer complaint rate for July for the five hybrid EVs listed in the China Auto Customer Complaint chart (at minute 3:54). Not sure what constitutes a recall in China or if they do them, but comparing US auto manufacturers to foreign ones might suggest a roughly equivalent defect rate.[1] As the Electric Viking has suggested, ICE and hybrid vehicles are unnecessarily complicated and polluting. Best to avoid them. [1] "One study by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) found that foreign vehicles had a higher rate of recall than US made ones. The study found that foreign vehicles had a recall rate of 1.9%, while US made vehicles had a recall rate of 1.4%." (Jun 27, 2023)

Sam, you are exaggerating the complexity of plugin hybrids. There is no question they have a lot more parts than a BEV but id argue that they should be more reliable than an ICEV. A plugin done right, like the late lamented Chevy Volt, eliminates the transmission which is a major point of failure in an ICEV. Instead of the eight or ten speed transmission thats common in modern cars the Volt had a single ring gear. The two motors and the engine all engaged with that single gear. In hybrid mode the engine used one of the motors as a generator and the other to propel the car. Because electric motors don't need multiple gears they didn't have to provide a transmission. At highway speeds the ICE coukd drive the ring gear directly which eliminated the conversion losses. Because direct drive was only used in a narrow speed band only one gear was required.

@richard--s

10 ай бұрын

Are they done right when they catch fire? Maybe no.

@joshuarosen465

10 ай бұрын

@@richard--s Gas fires are so common that they aren't news, in the US there were 174,000 gasoline fires in 2021. That's actually a huge improvement, in 1990 the number was 451,000. These have nothing to do with the hybridness of the cars, from the standpoint of fires it's just a gas car. Gasoline is volatile, if it leaks and comes in contact with something hot, an engine for example, you have a fire. The difference with battery fires, which are much less likely to happen, is that a gas fire is easy to put out plus fire departments have been dealing with them for a hundred years so they know how to handle them. Fire departments don't have a lot of experience with battery fires plus they are harder to put out, they are also so rare that they are considered news.

Regardless of the frequency of BEV fires the issue to me is severity. Imagine in the future basements filled with parked BEVs, many being charged. Batteries getting old, people ignoring checks/maintenance which is not uncommon. One car goes up - the fire will spread due to the intensity. We've seen it in the recent ship incident. Controlling BEV fires is a massive issue. I think we already have issues with small consumer lithium batteries causing fires, including increasingly in garbage trucks. I do not think BEV technology is sufficiently mature, not catching fire when new is one thing, maintaining that for the lifespan of the vehicle is another thing. Considering the marginal benefits of BEV with electrical grids not fully renewable, and the extra emissions during manufacture it hardly warrants rushing into the technology. Best thing about BEV is no tail pipe health emissions - excellent. As far as I know ICE cars going up in flames is mainly when in use or due to an accident. Not during re fuelling or parked. Please scientists we need batteries that are safe.

@eugenec7130

22 күн бұрын

Mobile phones use lithium ion batteries, and there have been reports of phone batteries caught fire. If we are concerned about the safety of lithium ion batteries, then we should not use mobile phones at all. We can't expect electrical products to be absolutely safe. In fact many ICE vehicles burn too, if not more than EVs, but are played down by EV haters.

The best option would be dont buy first gen models. Look for 2nd gen versions which should solve most of the problems in first gen

If you want a hybrid buy the Honda Civic hybrid. Fantastic car, great to drive, reliable and economical. No need to plug it in, no gears no hassle.

Number 1 complains doesnt mean number 1 self combustions. It puts "completely burn to the crisp" on the same level as "AC shut down"

I was looking forward to purchasing a new hybrid when I retired last year but it looks like I'll just keep driving my Subaru for another couple years till all the fire issues get sorted out. (2013 Crosstrek with 154,000 miles. Only warranty repairs in last 10 years were Takata airbag and some part on the CVT.)

@WhatisaLee

9 ай бұрын

Toyota and Honda have been making hybrids for decades. The main reason why you should keep your Subaru is because the most climate-friendly action any consumer can take is to not buy anything if the thing you're looking to replace still works.

@miked8121

9 ай бұрын

@@WhatisaLee Based on recent CA and Federal regulations essentially banning ICE vehicles in the early 30's, if a person wants an ice vehicle, they will have to buy it sooner rather than later. Where I live in OC, there simply isn't enough electricity especially if everyone buys electric vehicles, replaces their gas stovetops with electric, and start heating their houses with electric. (These are all written into law!) We are actually discouraged from using electricity in the late afternoon and early evening. The electric rates per kwh ramp up during those hours. I also don't see any local electrical infrastructure being built to handle the increased demand load in several years.

I have £45k in BYD battery storage I bloody hope they are more reliable.

This will not stop me from buying a new version of BYD as I'm sure the company would be able to solve this kind of problem.

@ChaosAngel667

2 ай бұрын

Whats the worst that can happen if they dont solve it right?

ICE catch fire too but they are predictable only when the motor is running or somebody smokes. EVs catch fires unexpectedly like when parked in the garage for example. You'll have to stay up all night and every night to watch it in that case.

@Anomize23

4 ай бұрын

You can’t put out batteries with a fire extinguisher so why waste effort trying?🤷‍♂️

@allgoo1990

4 ай бұрын

@@Anomize23 "You can’t put out batteries with a fire extinguisher so why waste effort trying?🤷‍♂" == Are you suggesting to die instead?

Of course… Need to normalise figure based on volume. Perhaps complaints per 1000 vehicles sold. BYD are the top selling brand in China so you’d expect them to feature highly in absolute number of complaints.

Ford recalled 50,000 F-150 ICE trucks because they were prone to catching fire. FIRE. It's not only BYD.

Thanks for this much needed setting of the record straight.

Even though BYD gasoline cars (not EVs) are the ones that burn down more frequent than other cars, this is still really bad for their reputation. It tells a lot about BYDs quality.

You should check out BYD cars where the subframes are actually cracking. It seems they are made out of cheese. But, if you try and find it, all information seems to have disappeared.

In Sweden the BYD atto 3 is for sale @ 532900 Sek. It was last months most sold last month Because you could lease it for 12 months for 2995 sek per month. They were giving them away.

@StephenGillie

9 ай бұрын

Is that a lot of money? How much does a Toyota Camry cost there?

@gymsaslan6625

9 ай бұрын

@@StephenGillie That lease price was very very good so i would say 100% of all Atto 3 in Sweden are leased ones. The price of 532 900SEK if its true is not a cheap price, that is a lot of money for that car. A Camry hybrid starts at 381 000SEK over here.

@StephenGillie

9 ай бұрын

@@gymsaslan6625 That sounds more expensive than a Model 3 in the USA. BYD isn't sold here, I think, as I haven't seen any on the road. But that lease price is about half of my loan payment, and wouldn't pay off the car for almost 15 years. That's an incredible subsidy, basically paying you to rent it.

@gymsaslan6625

9 ай бұрын

@@StephenGillie Indeed, that lease price is crazy. They really want some market share :)

@momoneyinvesting

4 ай бұрын

because they are 💩

According to analysts at AutoInsuranceEZ, hybrids catch fire even more often than electric cars and cars with an internal combustion engine combined. They took data from the National Transportation Safety Board and the US National Highway Traffic Safety Association and compared it to sales data by car category. This shows that EVs in the US catch fire significantly less quickly than cars with an internal combustion engine on board. Hybrid models lead the way when it comes to fire hazards. Hybrids were involved in about 3,475 fires per 100,000 cars sold last year. Gasoline cars caught fire about 1,530 times at the same rate, but electric cars had only 25 fires per 100,000 vehicles sold.

@Metapharsical

10 ай бұрын

1. This video was talking about shoddy Chinese brands, not US car models. So all that is irrelevant. 2. When a BEV has a battery fire, it is incalculably worse than a petrol fire. It happens in an instant, without warning (usually due to invisible internal defects in the battery), and it can't be extinguished with any amount of water. Petrol is *inflammable* - meaning their needs to be vaporized gas & air & spark to ignite. You can throw a lit match into a bucket of gas and likely nothing will happen. And if it does, you can eliminate any one of the three sources of combustion and the reaction will stop.

@BMWHP2

10 ай бұрын

@@Metapharsical What ever you wiggle, the numbers stay the same. On 100.000 ICE cars, 1530 go up in flames. For EV's, that is only 25, making it 60 times more likely an ICE car, with all that full, will burn to pieces. Most Dutch fire departments now simpely put the EV in a container and fill that with water. Fire gone. And this EV burning story is blown up out of proportions by big oil, coarse their business model is getting hit by the EV market. The lithium LFP batteries dont burn at all, BYD and Tesla have them in their latest models. The new generation sodium and silicium, batteries cant burn. So the only real dangerous vehicles are the old generation of ICE stuf.

@andyl200

7 ай бұрын

Maybe that data should be further broken down into brands/model, as well as cause (spontaneous, due to a crash, or externally ignited). Some brands/models may actually be shoddily built as well. For ex, I've never heard of a Prius catching fire. But I've seen in the news, ICE vehicles and Teslas spontaneously combusting on the freeway

@Metapharsical

7 ай бұрын

@@andyl200 we should also look at the cost to extinguish the fire. MASSIVE difference in BEV fires vs ICE fires

Plug-in hybrids are common in the USA, and probably the rest of the Earth too. Why do you say they can only be found in North China (PRC)?

Thanks Sam

Hi MG has a plug in hybrid, are there any records of that bursting into flames?

Confusion between plugin hybrid v purely electric is caused by OEMs classifying both as “electrified” without specificity

@steven4315

9 ай бұрын

Don't forget the Toyota 'self charging' EVs.

@StephenGillie

9 ай бұрын

@@steven4315 The non-plugin hybrid? Mine gets 50 MPG and only needs gasoline!

The main complaint about BYD Qin Plus is the pricing? Really?

Sandy Munroe would have a field day with this topic. Prius Primes are still available in the US however EVs are more compelling as Sam has thoroughly documented!

@andromedach

10 ай бұрын

Sandy's problem he is so concerned with the manufacturing process he fails to see if the completed vehicle is any good.

@wertigon

10 ай бұрын

@@mongo64071 I live in Sweden where we are a bit further along with roughly 37.5% EV, 22.5% PHEV and rest gas on the market, and then 3% EVs and 3% PHEVs in the fleet. We're starting to see every parking garage worth their salt install EV chargers, so you will be able to charge at home or at work with no problems within one to two years here.

@wertigon

10 ай бұрын

@@mongo64071 ​ Nah, private garages here are installing chargers left, right and center and competing for the customers that way. Think of it this way... If you are the only garage in town with EV chargers, who do you think all the EV owners will park at? Biz increase of 10-15% yes please. Otherwise, most diners will install EV chargers as well as most supermarkets.

@Studio89Graphic

9 ай бұрын

@@mongo64071 Let's not talking about extremes USA or Scandinavian Countries (where either large geography/ land size or less populations) UK and countries like France and Germany ─ Mass Public Transportations and Hydrogen Trains are the Key. BEV save no one but the Rich like Elon-gates and Xi Jinping. The Majority of Americans or Chinese if they could get their Hands to those effective small but Powerful Vehicles to commute to workplace, that already reduce more than 25% of Pollutants Emissions. Then the other initiative is to plant more Trees ─ Green Plants/Trees will naturally convert C02 to Oxygen during Daylight available; Don't need Solar Panels just return to Natural Evolution of Things with 21st Century Technologies. (We/I have seen people went to the Gyms and Peloton Machines to exercise, to manufacture and build Gyms those are sources of C02 Emissions. Get to walk or run a few miles, build more Parks not Gyms.) Regards,

i have an byd at home in the garage i don't drive it and have no complaints

What are the complaints per kms travelled for each tech? A car that does half the kms most likely has half the problems? The BYD Tang recall notice specifically states there was a problem with the battery tray that could allow water ingress resulting in high voltage discharge from the battery. Not sure how the ICE component of the hybrid system is responsible for this????????

Even though pure BEVs are safer and more reliable than PHEVs, I can understand why some people prefer the plug-in hybrids over a pure BEV. China is a VERY big country, and there might be some areas in which roadside charging infrastructure is insufficient (pretty much the same problem we have in Brazil and that keeps BEVs from getting a bigger share of the market - I see more Song Plus DM-i´s than Atto 3´s on the road - 1 Atto per 3 Songs - here, even though they cost the same). So, for users who tend to hit the road more often, if the roadside charging infrastructure on their region is insufficient or unreliable, a PHEV might be (in that specific scenario) a better choice in terms of usability. I really don´t know how is the roadside charging infrastructure all over China, I´m just assuming that, like in my country, there are regions in which it might be not as developed as near larger cities, so, for those users a PHEV might be more adequate for the time being. Still, it´s important to see how many were sold in total all over China to see if the number of complaints is really relevant on total. Regarding the "problems", this "hybrid mode switch" complaint for me it seems like a case of users not reading the manual than a defect. It´s still better than the "bumps" that, for example, the Tiggo 8 PHEV (Chery) gives when transitioning from electric to fuel. About the Seal and D9 "design flaw", it´s worth digging a little further to keep us informed. The Seal has just been announced as the next BYD release in Brazil, and although it´s out of my pocket range 🤣it´s interesting to know what the fuzz is all about. But you CAN actually buy BYD PHEVs out of China, the Song Plus DM-i is officially offered here in Brazil, for example. Maybe they aren´t sold there in Australia, but that doesn´t make them an exclusive of China mainland market.

@Cesar-dt5tn

7 ай бұрын

Isso aí

If hybrids are so bad, how come we don’t hear about Toyota hybrids going up in smoke in significant numbers? Sam, I think you’ve taken Chinese-only data, and conflated all hybrids in the various markets around the world to be sh#t in comparison to BEVs. To me, good quality hybrids from reliable brands, such as Toyota, are fantastic for markets like Australia and the US, where the tech is mature, the country is big, trips can be long, but public charging infrastructure is poor. Hybrids are also only a moderate step up in price compared to their ICE-only versions. Unlike a long-range BEV, which is typically alot more expensive again than the hybrid. Hybrids have got a big role to play for quite a while yet. Long live hybrid vehicles!

@ensteffo

10 ай бұрын

Because there are no one making anti Japanese propaganda videos trying to smear Toyota.

@GerbenWulff

10 ай бұрын

This is a post about 1 month. Recently there have been problems with the fuel tanks and hybrid switching. In earlier months there were a lot more problems with their EVs, but of course he didn't make a video when they had problems with their EVs.

@205rider8

10 ай бұрын

Hybrids are a soon to be obsolete product. Why have a vehicle with two drive trains and the excessive costs? They aliso pollute much more than BEV. Don’t waste money on a hybrid.

@davidbeppler3032

10 ай бұрын

@@GerbenWulff Yes he did.

@davidbeppler3032

10 ай бұрын

You can google Toyota Prius and flames. You will get a lot of hits. Did you know Toyota spends millions a year in advertising? Amazingly if you run a few stories about how Toyota cars are unsafe, you lose money. Media seems to need advertising money to survive. Hence, no stories about Toyota cars catching fire and people dying. Funny how that works, ain't it? Tesla does not spend millions in advertisement but every Tesla story gets clicks. Media are also paid in clicks.... every negative story about Tesla gets a lot more clicks. MEDIA love money.

Considering not getting an Outlander and waiting to see the AU Song PHEV and nervous now!

On the other hand , Li auto plug in hybrids are flying off the shelf. Sam, any chance of doing a complaints report on Li auto for comparison with Byd ? Thanks

@StephenGillie

9 ай бұрын

Could add Toyota, Chevrolet, and Ford plug in hybrids too. Maybe even Mini and Smart.

@bobmorane4926

9 ай бұрын

@@StephenGillie The difference is that Li auto comes with a pretty big battery and the combustion part is more like an electricity generator instead of being a combustion engine combo.

@StephenGillie

9 ай бұрын

@@bobmorane4926 That's not a difference, as it describes all of them.

@StephenGillie

9 ай бұрын

@@collller Because they're buying for speculation and not transportation. Tesla drivers in the USA have been doing the same. Especially with Elon telling everyone that his cars would be self-driving robo-taxis that makes money for them. But that didn't actually happen.

@bobmorane4926

9 ай бұрын

@@collller Well, Li Auto is more like an EV with a range extender generator, nothing comparable to a Prius if you ask me. Li Auto just announced that it has a few pure EV models in the pipeline coming soon.

The floods in China cannot be helping. EVs still remain a high-risk purchase relative to ICE cars -- at least in perception. EVs are not prone to the same routine maintenance and warranty problems that can be annoying in an ICE car but which are unlikely to break-the-bank -- but EVs do seem to be more prone to catastrophic failure. This is one of Tesla's advantages. If you are going to buy an EV, most would rather risk it with market leader rather than with the follow-ons.

@davidbeppler3032

10 ай бұрын

Also Tesla does not care about water. Damn things drive underwater. I have seen videos of it.

@outragousbob4367

10 ай бұрын

Toyota hit piece. Fairly sure there are boat loads of Prius’s on the road and they are continually rated near the top of all vehicles for reliability regardless of type. All of you people who follow this guy need only ask one question, who pays him to do this? My money is on EV battery makers or quite possibly BYD.

Don't need to victimise BYD. Tesla has plenty of problems. Poor service at the center, lied about the range, large numbers of complaints, spontaneous combustion, and the list goes on.

Lawdy, lawdy! I knew them cheap cars came with a catch.

Upon careful examination of videos compaining BYD, it becomes evident that the majority of them do not show any clear evidence of power battery explosions. Interestingly, based on my observation, I've noticed that approximately 90% of the recorded instances where BYD cars caught fire occurred when the vehicles were stationary, and someone happened to be recording a video. This observation leads me to speculate that at least half of the complaints regarding BYD cars could be fabricated by its competitors. It's worth considering that with BYD's rapid growth in China, it may have garnered some resentment from certain individuals or companies. These parties may have resorted to creating fake news and lodging complaints against BYD to tarnish its reputation. Notably, Great Wall Motor is the biggest BYD hater.

@naturetruth5218

10 ай бұрын

SAIC has been attacking BYD vehemently after losing sales. It has falsely accused BYD of violating fuel tank to lodge official complaint trying to tarnish BYD name. Recently it has been sueing 6 pro BYD vloggers demanding unprecedented millions payment, after one anti BYD vlogger was sued for spreading falsehood on BYD like self combustion. These foreign joined venture car companies also boycott Huawei assisted driving and IOT citing they will lost their souls if use Huawei, but no issue to collabrate with GM. Its weird China gov allow such vicious toxic Chinese car company to exist.

@davidbeppler3032

10 ай бұрын

So you think it has been sabotage? Just setting BYD on fire to hurt sales? Making a fake video is easier and costs less. Just saying.

@jasonwang7901

10 ай бұрын

@@davidbeppler3032 Not I think, but there is evidence. A man was trying to burn a BYD SUV, which was recorded by camera. Whether all the videos are true or fake, I do not know. But I am pretty sure that some videos are true: making some smoking materials under or inside a BYD car and then recording that. Another fact is that almost all lithium batteries burn with explosions, but there were never such explosions in these videos.

@danielb7253

10 ай бұрын

Chinese pride is hurt. Lol. The gov tells them they are the superior race.

@Metapharsical

10 ай бұрын

@@jasonwang7901 weird you should say all this to defend BYD when the fact is they has been running negative PR campaigns against Tesla ever since they were able to start making knock-offs. This is absolutely China's Modus Operandi: Welcome new technology into Chinese markets...transfer technology to China and nationalize those factories...then kick out foreign competitors

You miss the point BEV fires are rare. But as the quantity, use abd age of these cars increases the likelihood of a catastrophic event increases. It doesn’t matter in the insurance world if you where at fault it’s the likelihood of an event generates the premium. I had two no fault claims in 2022 two people hit my parked van. My premium went up 25% because the likelihood of me being involved in ab accident increased. BEVs may not have initiated the fire but because the likelihood is increasing of a catastrophic event insurers will increase premiums or not insure BEVs on ships or in enclosed public spaces. Tunnels, car parks, ferries and cargo ships will all be to higher risk for BEVs

02:36 -- Absolutely unacceptable.

Thanks again amigo

@electricviking

10 ай бұрын

Any time!

Who wants a battery which is only covered under warranty once it has lost 30% range first. If it were a good battery it would be losing no less than 10% range

Ok, lets get this straight, the major complaint about the BYD cars is that the engine starts when it normally shouldn't. The engine starts to purge the fuel tank, probably a good thing. Inconvenient noise and unnecessary charging of the battery, poor babies.

The reason the Tesla vehicles manufactured in China are so good is two fold: 1) The Chinese workers really do well in the Tesla work environment which values team work above self grandisement. This fits well with Chinese cultural values. 2) Tesla factories have Digital Self Management AI systems constantly checking out each car's individual components and quality. Together these two factors mesh to ensure the best quality.

@All2Skitzd

10 ай бұрын

I would trust a Tesla made in China or Mexico a lot more than any legacy brands. I'm not a huge Tesla fan due to some of the things they have done but I feel like they have just about mastered the production process and are able not only to copy paste, they are able to improve with every new factory. They control what goes into the casting with their proprietary alloy

I hope this doesn't mean that another Chinese product is junk....

@petersimms4982

9 ай бұрын

Well my tv , iPhone, dvd player, light bulbs, generator,cordless hand tools,portable fridge, tent and cooker hob need to be binned 😮

@petersimms4982

9 ай бұрын

May buy a British Jaguar though at £150,000 a piece , propped up by the British tax payer to the tune of £500million for the benefit of the wealthy 😢

Looks like normal fuel cars are super safer. More lasting too. Why change?

There are reliability issues reported on the internet about the BYD Seal, almost all of them are related to electronics, airbag warning light alway on, can't start , etc. I wonder if it had something to do with BYD making some of the chips that go into its cars.

@toms5996

10 ай бұрын

Interesting. Us Nordics started receiving BYD EVs only less than half a year ago (BYD busses and other similar class vehicles have been on the road for almost 10 years.). We don't sell any products that are dangerous. I mean not one. Granted there might be a problem in the Finnish/Swedish/Norwegian/Danish QA system that is a century old. Or - there is something else.

@samwang5831

10 ай бұрын

@@toms5996 BYD started its semiconductors manufacturing not so long ago, maybe less than 5 years ago. and it claims to make a large range of chips for automobiles. No one outside of BYD knows which model uses which chips.

@chillfluencer

10 ай бұрын

Tell me how many - because it is completely normal that a percentage of cars has such issues. Show me any product where every single unit works flawlessly. As if Teslas have no issues...

@davidbeppler3032

10 ай бұрын

@@chillfluencer Tesla has no issues worth worrying about. NHTSA screams RECALL over every OTA. lmao

@bangJames-ox8kt

10 ай бұрын

@@samwang5831 汽车芯片不需要很高的算力，现在国内的很多造成新势力，用的都是高通骁龙8155芯片，和手机用的肯定比不了，但是在汽车上能流程运行，所以比亚迪自研也就是属于成熟的产业了，另外比亚迪其实造电动汽车已经是10多年前就开始的事了，所以国内出了故意抹黑的以外，基本都对比亚迪电池没什么担忧。

It is so obvious to see in all those videos about burning cars. In nearly all cases firefighters are seen trying to extinguish the fire with water. They are all gas guzzlers, I bet.

@james_l4337

10 ай бұрын

No Those are hybrid meaning they have fire from petroleum parts then obviously there's also the battery One burns the other also will be affected If it's ternary Li battery then it will not stop burning short circuited and / or petroleum fuel parts burn affecting the rest of car

The solution is a windup car. A big spring and a big key on the back.

@MegaWilderness

9 ай бұрын

Renault made a 'steam car' in the 70's that ran on compressed air using a bi-directional compressor/engine

It's the mix of minerals that are the problem, just like the fuel of the ICE car is the environmental concern. If the problem could be fixed.

BYD sold more than doubled than Tesla. By statistics, the more cars sold，the more issues it wil be registered!

@chefineer

4 ай бұрын

But still, you need to provide numbers to prove it

Build Your Dream Bonfire pro, a plugin hybrid (explosive batteries and external combustion engine)

Not surprise at all. They just produced way way too many models. They should focus on quality of models not quantity of models.

It's obvious to me Sam is not an engineer as he equates complexity with reliability. The only time complexity can be an issue is if the failure points are not taken into account by the engineering. Two of the most reliable cars out there are the Outlander PHEV and the hybrid Toyota Camry. A hybrid car is often nearly as complex as a PHEV. The quality of the engineering is everything. Design something well and it really doesn't matter how complex it is and the reverse is true - design something poorly and even if it's very simple it will quickly fail. Case in point - 12V systems in many current EVs. A very simple system with a DC - DC coverter from the traction battery to the 12V battery and they keep getting it wrong.

Hybrids have more moving parts, result in more failures which is the main reason commercial aviation adopted jet engines (one main moving part) for reliability, reduced maintenance few engine fires.

The Seal is also sold as PHEV in China.

not the battery? the fuel tank? an old and reliable component? maybe the rest is even worse.

Thanks viking for another serious video and debunking the EV fire fud, You have the knowledge to tell the difference between plugin hubrids and BEVs.

@electricviking

10 ай бұрын

Much appreciated

You’d need to be seriously daft to buy any Chinese made car. We broke down several BYD models including their EV’s. Shoddy workmanship, some of it almost deliberate or at least well known by the company. Also the cost breakdown shows the cars can’t be profitable at the present resales. They are dumping them.

Afternoon mate

Info about plug in hybrid is misleading about their reliability. The problem lies mainly with BYD plug in hybrids. Li auto hybrids in fact have the least complaints from all segments of vehicles and even lower than Tesla (EVs). Li auto reliability is amazing to be honest from the data presented on carchina and hence the reason for their skyrocketing sales although being expensive. Until there is an access just about everywhere in a country the size of China + access to charging for apartment dwellers, hybrids will be seen as a bridge solution. EVs obviously come with their superior advantages like what you mentioned in terms of lower maintenance needs and costs and less complexity leading to better overall safety records so for someone living in a house and only doing city driving it is the best option.

Comparing numbers is kind of silly here. Cracks in dashboard, softwware issues that impact fuel evonomy and cost are completely insignificant when you compare it to burning out. I think lack of charging infrastructure is a reason for the popularity of plugin hybrids and in a country like China, range can be an issue as well. Hybrid technology brings the savings of electric driving to the masses, and Toyota has proven it works as reliable as anything out there. BYD having issues is not proof that hybrids are inferior. With Sodium-Ion everything will change. No more burning cars and a lot less range needed when charging is super fast anyway.

@davidbeppler3032

10 ай бұрын

Yes, in 20-30 year everything will be better. Right now Hybrids are bad. In every way. Have been for decades.

@SolAce-nw2hf

10 ай бұрын

@@davidbeppler3032 Are you sure? please tell Toyota, Lexus, Honda and their customers. Or just google for most reliable cars to prevent some embaressment. Personally i have owned a Hybrid car. After 10 years i traded up because of space needed. Never let me down and the mileage was great all year round.

It will be interesting if insurance companies decide not to insure houses against fire if they have an ev charging point installed

@puzer1

10 ай бұрын

...a 2023 Mercedes Benz EQE350+ just burned a home to the ground in FL...unfortunately for the homeowber it wasn't even theirs but a loaner for their car being serviced...

@Metapharsical

10 ай бұрын

Surely more EV 🔥 regulations are coming. From how they are packaged during shipping, where they are allowed to park and charge, to end-of-life recycling of these massive battery packs. Insurance companies and firefighters don't F around.

@cifey

10 ай бұрын

Hybrid or ICE cars catch on fire more frequently than EVs. A charged EV is harder to put out but overall it must not be causing more insurance payouts so far.

@JohnSmith-oh9iv

10 ай бұрын

Oh man, you still don't believe that EVs have much much less fires than ICE and plug-ins per 100,000 cars sold. Get this propaganda out of your head.

@vintageexcellence

10 ай бұрын

⁠@@cifeythey catch fire more frequently because 95% of all cars are ICE, wait till there are more EVs and they start to get old. The catastrophic battery fires will be a massive problem in the future.

Sam PLEASE do some investigation into the 'Design Flaw' with the EV Seal, these are about to be sold in Australia and we need to know why the model is losing sales over in China....we don't have working models in Australia yet so we need that info before we commit here. It'll be a very popular video!

@astanil

3 ай бұрын

Yes agree.. im verry curious too.. What do you think.. Sam.. why seal sales not as good as dolohine and atooo3

@geofftosio4807

3 ай бұрын

I bought the Seal, very happy with it..

a friend of mine has ordered a byd alto, are they any good ?

@martiruda

9 ай бұрын

pretty good as i've heard in nz

One of the comment say BYD Burn Your Dream. It's true

interesting... Toyota's PHEV's seem rock solid. Japanese quality i suppose.

LFP battery. Check out the report from the International journal of electrochemical science, regarding LFP and thermal runaway. Some of these complaints are glaring though and not what you would expect to see. You can’t buy a PHEV if you don’t live in China? I’m in OZ and I can buy a PHEV right now, so don’t know where that comment comes from. I would not buy one either because I agree they are too complicated.

The issue is when a EV battery goes above 80 degrees the battery catches on fire and it cannot be put out it has to burn its self out. The fumes are Poisonous. tell the truth.

What about Mercedes setting themselves on fire. 😂

4.000 Videos!!! Viking, you MONSTER!!!

..."only the BYD hybrids are burning to the ground, their EV's are bullet proof...trust me"...as if there isn't a correlation in manufacturing and QC... lol, this guy is adorable...

What is the main issue with any car......the electrics and electronics it's no surprise ev's are breaking down and will become very unreliable secondhand

Don't put our EV fires with water. Use a suffocation blanket

Sam, tell us if the cars that took down the ship, were they hybrids?

@gordonfraser5999

9 ай бұрын

He never answers anyone.

Good to see Tesla not on that list.

The thing is that ICE cars do not have instantaneous burning but on the EV's yes and it's the fuel system of course, it's amazing........

@jimdonaldson64

10 ай бұрын

BULL SHIT ,I have seen many petrol cars explode in impact accidents.😠

@erwin734

10 ай бұрын

I see plenty of supercars self combusted after a rev.

@chefineer

4 ай бұрын

​@@erwin734but not many supercars in existence

@erwin734

4 ай бұрын

@@chefineer you need to look at the ratios not the existence. If 10 are sold and 5 self combust after a small accident that's 50%. Compare that to how many EVs are sold that has self combusted.

@chefineer

4 ай бұрын

@@erwin734 the resutls of your daya demonstrated what, exactly ? Share your results

The front is burning. There is no battery in the front.

@jashanvirsingh2166

9 ай бұрын

Smoke is from bottom , even u can clearly see, why u lying , are u chinese ¿

@richard--s

4 ай бұрын

@@momoneyinvesting don't be fooled by your hate.

@chefineer

4 ай бұрын

Who cares its still fire = bad news

@chefineer

4 ай бұрын

​​@@richard--s Dont be fooled by your sales figures

@chefineer

4 ай бұрын

Battery is in the floor....floor is in the middle

Just like Viking said hybrid cars are complicated just like anything hybrid is. If you want to go for electric cars then go for electric cars if you want to have electric car and gasoline cars then buy 1 electric car and 1 gasoline car. Joining the two together is just like having 2 cook's working for you and then you get poisoned and don't know which of them is guilty

@protagonist9716

10 ай бұрын

Hybrids are versatile and whether Viking likes it or not they command a growing share of vehicles sold in outside of the West

@zopEnglandzip

10 ай бұрын

Ignoring the decades of hybrid vehicles from Toyota which have been operated as taxi cabs from before musks hostile takeover of Tesla.

@DSeeKer

10 ай бұрын

I want an EV with a diesel range extender generator, not a hybrid

@vintageexcellence

10 ай бұрын

Ya Prius track record really makes your comment rather silly

@RexAlfieLee

9 ай бұрын

​@DSeeKer seriously? What's the difference? It becomes a variance but a hybrid nonetheless

I heard cases about Nio and Tesla, never with BYD though...

@NoWastedCalories

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, I read reports of highest reliability and customer satisfaction with Tesla in China.

More good work Sam, such valuable info has my appreciation

A hybrid that simply recharges the battery should be fairly reliable surely.

The complaint was that the BYD seal AC was blowing aluminum powder.

@tech5298

10 ай бұрын

Throw in some msg and a tab of gutter grease and you have a numbah fow special

Zero surprise, these are Chinese made!!!

What is mind boggling is the fact that the electrical grid is 33% efficient. You have to burn three gallons of fuel to deliver 1 gallons worth of energy on site. A gas powered car is 30+% efficient. A modern gas engine is far less polluting than a coal or oil power plant. Where is the upside? No one is proposing the tripling of the electrical grid to even make this disaster possible.

@absoleet

Ай бұрын

Where did you get the 33% figure? Its actually 5% and maybe a few percentage points more for step down transformer losses so its alot more efficient coal or oil. The EIA govt websites says its 5% - "The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates that annual electricity transmission and distribution (T&D) losses averaged about 5% of the electricity transmitted and distributed in the United States in 2018 through 2022" Sources: "Chint How Much Power Loss in Transmission Lines" "EIA How much electricity is lost in electricity transmission and distribution in the United States?"

@danielc3003

Ай бұрын

@@absoleet Look it up. The gov website states that over 60% of electrical energy is lost in transmission and conversion. Power transformers are designed to dissipate HEAT!

@absoleet

Ай бұрын

@@danielc3003 I did look it up. Google:- "Chint How Much Power Loss in Transmission Lines" "EIA How much electricity is lost in electricity transmission and distribution in the United States?" The EIA gov website states - "The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates that annual electricity transmission and distribution (T&D) losses averaged about 5% of the electricity transmitted and distributed in the United States in 2018 through 2022." See that? 5%.

The amount of complaints goes towards zero. Same as with Teslas.

The Seal is a surprise. Seems to be a nice car.. BYD must be overpricing it maybe.

@ricosu192

9 ай бұрын

In China BYD seal dmi about $30000 USdollar

@bisujin1685

6 ай бұрын

yeah "seems to be", haha.

In the Netherlands we have many busses from Byd, chauffeurs don't want the busses anymore due to very poor reliability...... catch fire, many quality issues. Hundreds of busses involved...

try and use a real microphone going forward. i find the audio difficult to hear in various videos. a lot of room noise / echo. your stuff is good; shouldn’t be distracting trying to hear you.

Automatic comment cancellation software in operation?

China is not known for reliability. What’d you expect? 🤣

@jackzhi3172

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, of course Tesla is known for “reliability”👍

@southkoreausasmaster8805

9 ай бұрын

Explain that you are poor and can only buy low-quality goods for poor people. The quality of Chinese products depends on how much you pay. China is the whole industrial chain.

Electric car companies should be coming up with qn alternate method of outing fires caused by lithium batteries 🔋. Water and lithium are incongruent.

@davidbeppler3032

10 ай бұрын

Just push it off the road and dump a couple tons of dirt on it.

Battery or not battery issues , the badge is BYD not Tesla!!

Best way to reduce customer complaints "Dont sell any cars":toyota Comparing complaints of a car that sells 40000 a month with one that sells 1000 a month is not fair. Obviously the latter car will have less complaints

@davidbeppler3032

10 ай бұрын

That is not true. Toyota sold 10.6 million cars last year. Toyota has less than half the complaints of Ford who only sold 4.2 million.

@Metapharsical

10 ай бұрын

Best way to reduce fatalities due to natural disaster and shoddy infrastructure? Simple...Censor the news! -chinese communist party

@All2Skitzd

10 ай бұрын

Toyota can barely keep them on the lot in Dallas Texas and a lot of other cities. The 4Runner, RAV4, Camry, Corolla, Prius are all super popular as well as limited production cars. I get what you are saying on the numbers game, I remember when the suv hype first started Ford Explorer was named as the worst vehicle for complaints on one website but those things was everywhere.