Yo, that china sounds insane 😮 Shoutout to everyone who has joined my Patreon! You can find my full drum mixes and unmixed stems if you are interested in joining! www.patreon.com/rdavidr

@adriansmith3825

Жыл бұрын

@rdavidr I am from South Africa and I do play the drums but I cannot find any drum kit that’s affordable other than a mint condition Mapex Prodigy for 4500 rand, could you review the Mapex prodigy? (Original owner has 20/22” inch Zildjan ride)

@Chillidog650

Жыл бұрын

that china is the heaviest of the hev yo

@alanduncan1980

Жыл бұрын

@1:27 that's what I'm talkin'bout

@l337drums9

Жыл бұрын

I have that baby, love it.

@annasophiarobb69

Жыл бұрын

That china does actually sound pretty legit. But over $200 for Wuhan quality? If it was like half that price it would make more sense.

You can't play a spiral without looking like you're fighting off a snake 🤣

@TainoMoya

Жыл бұрын

Facts its hilarious 😆

@tyraal1

Жыл бұрын

Bahahahahahahahahahaha 🤣

@Spezifestos

Жыл бұрын

I can‘t see one without thinking of chris dave. i think they were even meant to put them on top of regular cymbal and chris made it popular as a standalone one

@Spezifestos

Жыл бұрын

I can‘t see one without thinking of chris dave. i think they were even meant to put them on top of regular cymbal and chris made it popular as a standalone one

@mikepalmer2219

Жыл бұрын

It did look like that. Now it’s all I can see lol.

I enjoy the imagery that the spiral gives of the drummer having to actively fight his set to make music.

@pippat73

Жыл бұрын

thats a good concept for a sci fi world

My dad had a band saw in his shop. Every cracked cymbal I ever had eventually got turned into a Rocktagon.

That China sounds phenomenal… as a sample probably, I sure as hell don’t want to mix it in a live kit with that kind of volume 😂

@rarecrom

Жыл бұрын

FR LOL

@mh13mini

Жыл бұрын

i own a Wuhan china. You have to hit then hard for them to open up and they are so freaking LOUD

@ifgwelf

Жыл бұрын

It'd be good for beatdown

@MadCritter

Жыл бұрын

Try mixing the 27 incher they have… own one myself

I was just randomly wondering what happened to the Sabian Rocktagon crash the other day. I always remembered seeing them at drum shops in the 90s never saw anyone actually using one.

@devinvenne

Жыл бұрын

A guy I sold a set of hi hats to actually had one on his kit. First time I'd ever seen it, confused me a lot lol

@highergrounds8018

Жыл бұрын

I have one! Very loud and heavy crash!

@McCormickfarrier

Жыл бұрын

I worked in a music store in the early 90´s, of course we had one in stock and EVERYBODY wanted to check it out.... and THAT is why nobody wanted it, I can tell you 🤣

@brutesquadbbq2268

Жыл бұрын

Every music store I remember from the 90’s had a Clocktagon. Just a Rocktagon with clock hands mounted in the hole 😂

@IrishStoner

Жыл бұрын

last i saw they were coming back into stores

I'm sad to admit that as a kid, when I went to buy my first real cymbals new from the music store I was taken in by the gimmicks and bought both a 16" Roctagon AND a 16" black Paste Colorsound crash. If they had that spiral thing I probably would have bought that too.

@fleatactical7390

Жыл бұрын

Nothing gimmicky about either of those, son. Both are amazing!

@coreyw5981

Жыл бұрын

Ew i hate colored cymbals. Some people care so much about look over sound that they'll but a whole damn set of those

@user-fx4hp2em8s

Жыл бұрын

@@coreyw5981 i think they look cool but i don't like the sound of those sets enough to buy one (from the ones i've heard at least). plus it'd be weird to have just ONE cymbal thats colored if you got it just for the sound

@jbro2780

9 ай бұрын

@@fleatactical7390tbh i think they sound amazing but i do think that if u were a kid and bought that and u grew up it may not be the sound that u like

That was fun. I would have loved to see if the spiral cymbal could walk down the stairs.

@johncollins5552

Жыл бұрын

It made me laugh everything you went to crash it although it looks like a piece of scrap it sounds ok ish... Looks like it would shred sticks in short order! I forget what the springy slinky cymbal is called....

@seatspud

Жыл бұрын

Alone or in pairs?

@felsinferguson1125

Жыл бұрын

@@seatspud Who knows, but I bet it makes a slinkety sound... :)

Honestly I actually really like the trash hi-hat. It's a sort of hi-hat/snare/shaker blend in terms of sound and it works well on the backbeats.

@user-vt9xz7vo6x

7 ай бұрын

Same. I think it would sound great in funk or hiphop music.

With the junk hats, you can get a pretty cool reverse sound by spinning the bottom part (trash can lid) and then closing the top part down on it.

The Wuhan Conical had a great sound. That would be a great MIDI sound for an electronic drum set.

Next project: Make the Rocktagon round, and see how much the sound changes.

@jimjordan4345

Жыл бұрын

What a novel idea!!!

@niekesselbrugge1132

Жыл бұрын

Pretty much would be a regular 16” crash i guess. Or a smaller ride. I dont expect it would have a sound that is different from regular rides or crashes

@alee0426

Жыл бұрын

@@niekesselbrugge1132 that's crazy

@RobertWrightOneManCovers

Жыл бұрын

He missed the boat on that rocktagon. I've got several thousands of dollars in Paiste, Zildjian, Sabian, and Meinl cymbals, and my 18" Rocktagon is easily in my top 3 for any studio project.

@CommanderNewton

Жыл бұрын

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

Seeing you fight that spiral splash is the best thing I've seen all morning. 🤣 Another great video nonetheless! 👏

It’s really neat how on the flat gong-ride, the “bell” is technically the bend at the edge. I just think that’s so neat to me.

@joeday4293

Жыл бұрын

It's actually got a great glassy ride sound, too.

@Aeduo

Жыл бұрын

If I had to guess I imagine that's where it has the most rigidity? I wouldn't know the physics for why that produces the different sound though. I don't really know anything about drums, either, haha.

I've owned (and used) my Rocktagon since 1984. I LOVE it, loud, brash and super versatile. Crash - check, China when inverted - check, Secondary ride - check, Symphonic for swells - check. Gil Moore of Triumph use to use these exclusively in his live set-up.

The first one is brutal, and this doomy sludgy part is insane !

I just started to play the drums because you are so good at it thank you

@rdavidr

Жыл бұрын

thats awesome to hear!

That spiral cymbal actually sounds good, it's sort of a hybrid of a splash and a china mixed. Crisp with a fast decay. I like it but it seems like it would be kind of hard to always get a clean hit on it though?

@lapin-rouge

Жыл бұрын

YES, I use the Zildjian K 17 Special Dry Trash Crash on my electric kit and listening to that I was like, "wow that sounds really familiar..."

@Wumbo_the_Mumbo

Жыл бұрын

You can kinda see in the video he tries to hit it and it's swinging away from him.

@malthuswasright

Жыл бұрын

I remember seeing one in use (possibly Nubya Garcia's band at the Proms last year) - looked like it needed some practice to get used to. Sounded great though.

@teejay1646

Жыл бұрын

Maybe springs on top and bottom at low tension?

@jbro2780

9 ай бұрын

what ive mainly seen them used for was for stacks which give the stack a crispy and jingly tone

The wooden chain hit hat had such a unique sound. Love it!

Great cymbal video. But what I liked the best was the way that kit sounded. Its great!

The spiral cymbals make amazing stacks by the way, I think that may be their intended purpose

@JohnD72277

Жыл бұрын

I remember Zildjian offering the spiral like that, and then years later the stacker came out. I always wondered if it was exactly the same thing or if some changes were made.

If anyone is auditioning for a rock band and play like David just did, you will get the gig. Solid time and perfect for moving the music.

My high school marching band back in the late 90’s used the rocktagon as ride/crash for the snare line. I think was more for visual effect than anything

More breakdowns please! I wanna see everyone pick up change, windmill and stage dive!

The spiral crash sounds insanely good.

@modellking

Жыл бұрын

But it looks so shitty to play

@eusevis

Жыл бұрын

@@modellking yeah this is true 🤣

@samueljacob5399

Жыл бұрын

@@modellking i have one and i mount it on top of a trash crash whenever i use it, makes a very good dry sound

Is it weird that i like how almost everything he uses sounds…? Like the only time any of the items he says sounds off in any video, i almost always enjoy the sound. Maybe im just used to literal garbage😂

@presterjack9764

Жыл бұрын

The magic of recording and mixing means it's not going to hurt your ears like it would in real life

@fleatactical7390

Жыл бұрын

@@presterjack9764 Yeah, I'm thinking these sounds have been... attenuated a bit for our ears.

@maffooo2040

Жыл бұрын

@@presterjack9764 also the magic of being a good drummer

Honestly that junkhat would be a great add on just for its crash. Adds a lot to the backbeats, but not much after that.

We used one of those spiral cymbals in our WGI winning indoor percussion show (I played rack percussion for that season). It was called spring theory. Get it. It’s a spring. The show went through the seasons. From a raging blizzard, to beautiful spring, to spring storms. Ending with a bit of “here comes the sun.” It was really cool but a pain to transport from show to show

That spiral crash would make a great top cymbal on a stack of some sort!

@SaltWaterDrums

Жыл бұрын

I've definitely seen them used for that!

@01gtlimited

Жыл бұрын

I also recently saw a video of someone with one nested inside a pair of hi-hats! Unsure if the center hole was resting down with the bottom cymbal or tightened up against the top

I think all those sounded really musical and cool. Loved seeing you crack up trying to actually land a blow on the spiral thingy, and the assault segment was also rather hilarious. Great video, David! :)

I’m a string instrument player and I love watching your videos I’m really enjoy the different sounds that come from different gear and have gotten a lot of new inspiration for songs so thanks and keep up the great work

I love how you find different kinds of music that fits with the different kinds of cymbals, you make them sound great! (except the hihats, sorry for your expenses on those)

I actually like the sound of that Zildjian gong-thingy.. makes a cool secondary ride/crash

The china looks like a sombrero, I like it

Been binging your channel recently after getting served your videos in my feed. Really enjoy your content! I’ve been a drummer for 27 years now (feel old typing that) but doing it very part time these days. Kids and work take the vast majority of the priority and time these days, but I’m living vicariously through all your drum videos! Loving the content, thanks!

The way you bring about variations around the set even with new and weird things is really impressive, just want to become a drummer just like you one day

Played in high school and a little after, these videos and the rebuilding the cheap sets with good heads was my life 20 years ago. What does it sound like when... insert random material into or about a cymbal stand, was life. Happy to see this type of life exist in the world still.

My fave 2022 vid of yours yet!!!

Those spiral crashes are really good for using as the top of a stack. As they conform to mostly any cymbal shape

Really fun to hear the drums at 1.5x speed for break beats. Pretty mind-blowing sound

I've never seen your channel before, but KZread recommended it, and then you had me laughing when you played that spiral cymbal, so, I subscribed. Thanks for sharing.

3:35 many early drummers of dance orchestras, especially those of bigger bands like duke ellington's sonny greer and vic berton of the paul whiteman orchestra had very extravagant drum kits with complete with gongs, timpani, a set of many temple blocks, mallet instruments and sometimes even a set of tubular bells in the back.

Nice! Comment featured in an rdavidr video! I have seen those spiral crashes stacked onto other cymbals, could be a fun thing to play with

I love the zildjian gong I would use as a China. Very awesome and happy drumming David.

Subscribed because you spent so much for our entertainment... Cool video! Very neat use of odd cymbals, you make them sound awesome!

Mannnn this brings me back to being a teenager and getting stoked on finding some weird effects cymbal on craigslist for super cheap, meeting up in a parking lot, running home, playing it, being fucking disappointed and trying to convince myself that i'll use it, and then ultimately taking it down and throwing it on the stack of B-squad cymbals in my closet. I think every drummer can relate.

that's some super tight drumming, bass drum patterns are cool too.. i played guitar and other instruments for decades but getting more in to drums recently, it struck me that you are great basically!

Thanks so much for keeping me entertained with drummer mixology!!

Knowing that this is not a death/techical metal channel I was about to write a comment that this china should be tested in a metal breakdown, but now I hear that you just didn't dissapoint :)

I was looking for the breakdown and then came! thanks 😊

The bell of that China sounds like it would be great for rolls, the rocktagon sounds awesome when hit on its edges, the 24' gong has amazing tonal variety depending where it's hit, and the Zen sounds like if a tambourine and a high hat had an estranged love child.

That Sabian crash ride looks like a refurbished broken cymbal. And the Zildjian Gong looks like they could use it in the kitchen for Chinese Paella ;-) And that chain hi hat sounds pretty funny.

I love the sound of that rocktagon, nice and bright. Thanks for posting these videos, I’m subscribing :)

Thanks for the awesome comparison video David.

people come to hear the different drum sounds, but i keep coming back for his different groove stickings.... need to steal some of these

I know absolutely nothing about music, but I love watching these videos, and I think they all sound... pretty interesting

That snare just sounds way too delicious... It's almost completely distracting me the funky cymbals 😂

I LOVE THAT SNARE OMG

The Slinky-cut cymbal sounds way more useful than I thought possible, although it suffers horribly from not being in the same place every time you swing at it. The chain and trash lid contraption does fatten a backbeat, but it's very much a one-trick pony. The hi-hat with the jingles reminds me a bit of putting a tambourine on your hi-hat clutch, meaning it still has the usual range of expression of a hi-hat, although not a particularly captivating one. I think it might just be too thin for the job, but fundamentally not a bad idea. It might be worth homebrewing one to see if you can do it better.

I have a friend who has a special 32inch china cymbal, custom built for his drum set. My friend’s uncle works at a cymbal factory and he got this unique cymbal for his birthday.

"I'm never going to use these cymbals" *pulls out the sickest ride*

Like how you tried to make the spiral work - great job and play! :D

the wood and chain hi-hat is like nothing i’ve ever seen or heard before, very cool idea!

the decay on that spiral is beautiful!

The first china sounds awesome. The junk hats have a cool backbeat “ handclap “ sound but that’s it. I like the spiral crash because you can hit on the down and the upstroke

Yes! A new video! RDAVIDR never disappoints

I actually love the sound of that chain hi hat thing

You need to buy the pearl president drums

That trash hi-hat is surprisingly really cool. It could never replace a proper hi-hat (or, heck, the other weird hi-hat you tried with the jingles on it), for sure, but I love what you can get out of it.

Love this channel! Another great upload!

I did not expect david to absolutely beatdown on that koi china. Thats was awesome with the guitar and bass

Was waiting for new upload ...cool .. From UK, love your content ...with humour and bonkers stuff ...original ..nice,,,and bloody good drummer ..as a fellow drummer.

Great video. Lmao that plywood hi hat is killin it.

you should turn a bass drum into a snare drum...

5:41 I have a spiral crash and they definitely have more than just one sound. You can make millions of sounds with them!

Love that snare sound

A few orchestra bands and symphonies I played with used that flat zildjian gong, it was always referred to as a "tam tam" I don't know if that's a generic term for gong or if that's the name of the flat zildjian thing. Either way it sounds awesome as a gong. And side note sabian makes these two and calls them "zodiac gongs'

Tapping that gong could make for great psychadelic music. Very sparkly

junk hat would be good as an aux hat simply for the pedal sound, could be used in conjunction with the snare to thiccen it up, or just to add a little anticipation from the sound of the chains striking the bottom... thing... before it's actually fully closed.

Cool playing/sound ideas, especially with the spiral!

with that spiral cymbal, i've mainly seen that as a layer piece placed on top of another crash or ride cymbal

Mom: Where's my bank card? Me in my room: 9:21

Nice Dude. Love the bumble bee wrap too

the plywood/trashcan lid actually sounded kinda good at 8:13-8:18 with that specific combination of other stuff and the track at least

The junk hats look like something Oscar the Grouch would play if he ever decided to jam.

Love the beatdown groove with the china!

Wuhan's best line of cymbals, the 'Western Style' cymbals, are made from a B20 alloy and are a good cymbal! It's better than any of the big name cymbal manufactures budget cymbals. I have a set. The crash and the high-hats are great! The ride is acceptable.

Wasn’t expecting a sick breakdown 🤘

The rocktagon actually sounded really good to me. Definitely my favorite of this lot

Cymbals were vaguely interesting but your kick and snare tones in this vid are sublime my friend.

1. the Sabien hi hat can be used like a splash 2. the spiral can hang in a corner for an occasional splash 3. Rocktagon can be a ride that's all i can think of

That spiral crash is just begging to be stacked. Actually all of these weird cymbals are. A whole new series.

2:05 Appreciate the work 👍

i remember talking to one of the guys that make those trash hats at PASIC, one of the cooler things he did was spin the bottom hat as he played and it gives it a cool crescendo effect.

The "Slinky" cymbal honestly sounds pretty dope. Always wondered how they sounded like.

Seeing David play some metal on that China was nuts!

Great video David. I'd like to shout out Billy Martin from Medeski, Martin and Wood for using a spiral cymbal, he was the first person I saw ever use one. Peace

Dude, your drums are sounding excellent today 🤘🏼

My favorites are the Zildjian gong and the spiral. I think the gong would be especially useful for one making soundtrack effects

5:20 goofy ahhh cymbal 🤓🥸