I would rather see a reproduction than nothing at all.

Imagine rebuilding a frikin Tiger tank from literal scrapyards across the continent, just to get insulted and bullied by a bunch of nerds

@leodcc4727

Жыл бұрын

Welcome to XXI century, where is no such thing as respect or basic ethics

@johnelliott7375

Жыл бұрын

History is history and that is that , to make money from it is ludicrous and wrong. It is a great thing to learn and not repeat the bad and improve on the good. If they don't like it and want to make money and rewrite it, that is not history that is capitalizing off it for profit and that is wrong.

@thatguyguy1741

Жыл бұрын

@@johnelliott7375 some museums neex to make money to stay open.

@duckhunt1058

Жыл бұрын

Usually people like that do not own a tank. The same goes for the WWII jeep community. Some of the worst critics are those who do not own one.

@PanzerPicture

Жыл бұрын

@alessiobubbles5345 I think the owner of the Hoebig collection could not care less, it's pretty much the reason he doesn't share his collection on the internet, he is so private that we don't know if he even finished his second Tiger.

A repro that's sufficiently accurate enhances interest in history. Those that condemn repros detract from the interest in history.

If any one moans, drive over their cars and say 'Whats up? Its not a real one'

Didn't know the Stug III C/D Tp was sold. People really had the audacity to criticize it because of the engine?! As if those things were so easy to restore to running order.

@gamingsentry6000

Жыл бұрын

Yeah we were sold it and when we got it was in need of a rebuild anyways, that motor system had overheating issues so there was no reason to keep it in it

I don't understand why anyone would be upset about either Repro or a newer engine in a tank. So dumb.

A functioning panzer of any kind is exceedingly rare regardless of how it was restored and it's back breaking work to get these things in presentable condition. To complain about it is just foolish and short sighted. If they think they can do better then they should do so.

So I worked at drive tanks when we received the stug III the motor setup was very flawed it had a horrible exhaust leak and massive overheating issues we wanted to put a Hl 120 but we couldn't find one avaliable in the states at that time. I sadly don't work there anymore but I can give what info I have on it.

@PanzerPicture

Жыл бұрын

I think it had a British engine that came from a time the British made almost all garbage engines.

Big items (tanks,planes,vehicles) are harder to find so replicas are fine. Small arms are still plentiful, so real ones will still be in museums for a while.

I think that if people truly knew the amount of reproductions there are in Art Museums they would be shocked. Seriously, why hang a million dollar picture that any loon could damage with paint or a sharp object when instead you can hang a reproduction of said painting with no stress? Heck, if I owned a museum with expensive stock, I would use repros.

@PanzerPicture

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it's seems like people are really gullible 😂

This is why I love this channel, it's not handled like the normal history channel but just like a normal KZread channel with in the background history.

@PanzerPicture

Жыл бұрын

Thank you 👍

Great Video brother, !! Anyone who knows anything about Military vehicle restoration (especially Armour) knows that getting parts for 80 plus year old vehicles is extremely difficult, that is why we need to repair or more commonly replace components with remanufactured items, important thing is at the end of the day we are preserving military history for future generations

@PanzerPicture

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, people in the car community get this, but in tge history community people are obviously stupid 😂

The Tiger 1 of Vimoutiers (Normandy, France) has been expertised. The tiger of Vimoutiers has been appraised for a complete restoration (it is empty since 70's) We need 1 million euros to restore it in a cosmetic way. It would take 10 millions to put it back in working order. So yes it is always a question of money !

Also just to add, how about the "training" Tiger I and Panther, at Fort Benning? Both of those have massive cutouts, in the armor. Do people complain about that?

@PanzerPicture

Жыл бұрын

They actually do, seen it many times.

@jimmylight4866

Жыл бұрын

I do not care for the cut-outs, but apparently without the cut-outs they would have been scrapped.

hey panzer picture. previous plane restorer here! if people have a problem with repro then scrap every since WW2 fighter that has been restored there is generally less that 10% of original parts left. most places just build a new plane and salvage simple things like gauges. people are a joke anything from ww2 is incredibly rare and expensive so finding original parts is basically impossible. repro is needed nd repowering in tanks cases makes a tonne of sense. why would i own a stug or tiger or whatever if a maybach costs 100k if i can find one when i can use a detroit or cummins making same power and sound yet run more efficiently and be cheaper!

@PanzerPicture

Жыл бұрын

I find it funny that nobody in the plane community seems to complain about planes being restored, it's always the military community that look for a problem with everything.

Appreciate every single thing you do. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to a more positive video. Thank you for sharing light on that.

I've been to some museums in America that had mannequins wearing uniforms that were worn by soldiers who fought in the American Civil War. None of the uniforms were original but were reproductions of those worn by those who fought for the Union Army as well as those who fought for the Confederate Army. I wasn't disappointed because they showed what soldiers of both sides wore as well as how they were equipped. In my city of Evansville, Indiana during WW2 there was a factory here that built the P-47 Thunderbolt fighter. The city had bought the remains of a P-47 that had crash landed in a lake in Florida. It needed a lot of work to restore it to be a display only plane at a museum and volunteers worked at making new parts and control surfaces and pieces from scratch. Were people disappointed that almost half the plane would be made from new handmade parts for display? Not in the slightest because it would have been something for people to see up close what kind of plane was built in our city during WW2. So until the purists come up with a complete original tank or plane or whatever on their own then they can go and piss up a rope.

@acedogboy8421

Жыл бұрын

i used to restore planes. iff ppl knew how much of the plane was original then theyd cry hahaha. basically nothing is original

The issue here is anger. Not righteous anger, such as the man had who gathered parts and rebuilt the Tiger known as the FrankenTiger. Germany decided to outlaw private ownership of military relics which in my opinion makes for a morally poorer nation. Hence, the man sold it to a private collector in the United States. But we in the the West are losing our minds to anger, which is really bad because whatever politics or hobby, or interest we have, is only about 1% of who we are as humans and anger turns it into at least 80% of who we become and NOBODY likes running into a person like that. So, if we can all be civil and more importantly, polite in discussions then we can hope for more than just telling someone to get screwed because of his opinion or position. Sadly it take so much effort to change things. What would a person have to do to get the German law about confiscating something like a Tiger tank you have worked for ages to repair? And those who think FrankenTiger is a one off that never happened, think again. Lots of German tanks that we destroyed had their useful parts removed in order to repair other tanks and have one that runs properly and functions like it should. So the FrankenTiger is nothing more than a repaired Tiger that was repaired long after the others were. By the way, the oldest surviving Tiger is the one in the Fort Benning Army museum. It was captured before in North Africa that is in Bovington. And what had been discovered by people who had hands on experience in studying and preserving that Tiger discovered early on is that this Tiger has a turret that did not come from the factory attached to the hull it is riding on. hmm. FrankenTiger?

@PanzerPicture

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment, I think that a lot of these grazies are also jealous, but the Frankentiger was actually not sold because of some law, which I don't even think is true, the Hoebig collection restored many tanks and sold many tanks, the Frankentiger was sold to fund the restoration of a second Tiger which is a drivable one.

As 3 D printers capable of working with metals get more and more advanced the ability to cost effectively reproduce parts to get old tanks and airplanes in running condition will greatly decrease. This is a good thing and it beats hunting around the world for 80+ year old parts that weren't part of the original vehicle anyway.

I love these people who complain about repros. Do they actually believe you can get the real thing at some kind of corner store. Somebody is smoking some really funky stuff!

You always have great and truthful videos, I have enjoyed for many years, greeting from UK

It's history it should be flicking remembered rather than been made fun of

Fun to see my comment in this and I think you should have outed those people that targeted you.

The only problem i found with this video is that i could only hit the like button just the once

Hey Panzer Picture Wat is je favoriete museum waar je bent geweest

@PanzerPicture

Жыл бұрын

Dat is een goede vraag. Ik heb er best wel veel. Musee des Blindes Munster Panzer Museum Airborne Museum Sainte-Mère-Église. Sinsheim Museum MM Park Batogne Barracks

I have no problem with repros as long as they state that.

@PanzerPicture

Жыл бұрын

I think it should be the other way around, note when something is real.

@alericc1889

Жыл бұрын

@@PanzerPicture That would work as well.

@PanzerPicture

Жыл бұрын

I find it odd because that's what they do with Civil war era museum, nobody seems to have a problem with repro there and it's always assumed its already fake.

@alericc1889

Жыл бұрын

@@PanzerPicture It seems to be that most people dont think much survived from the CW era since it was almost 200 years ago and most people look on WWII as just happening a few years ago since its in Hollywood constantly. That would be my guess.

Look the thing is at some point these vehicles will not be able to run so putting in a modern engine helps extend the life span. One day tiger 131 won’t run at tank fest that’s a fact Repo helps tell history the sad fact is age takes its toll on the artefacts

Great video and I share your sentiments. I would rather see a put together "franken tank" that runs than just leave the scraps buried in the ground. Also, a pet peeve of mine is all the complaints directed at museums that do not make the preserved artifacts (tanks - like in the US Armor and Calvary Museum) running, because they want to carefully conserve said artifacts for future generations. It seems now days, no one can be safe from the armchair trolls in their mother's basements (likely b/c of all the WW2 tank war games).

I understand what you are stating and regarding new museums like those shown it is nearly impossible to have original parts, uniforms or whatever but equally it does exist original artifacts, I know because I personally collect here and there quite a few things but after all more than eighty years has passed away but some of them are very nice reproductions in truth. Even in the best museums there artifacts that was definitely not original! Please keep on posting and keep being objective!!

I think repro pieces in museums should be like announced, i mean like if an original piece and a repro item are displayed together on a mannequin i think it's okay if they don't lie and say it's original, for restored vehicles... I guess it's okay to put different engines in the vehicle, i myself if i would have a vehicle project and parts are hard to come by and i really have no other choice i'd take the most similar alternative, if it would be the engine i'd try to put a modern engine with the same power and a similar sound so it does not go unnoticed, if someone would ask about it i would not lie that it's a new engine and not it's original engine... Better see something or see something run than see nothing because unavaible parts...

@PanzerPicture

Жыл бұрын

I think that a lot of repro, should be represented as just a representation of what a uniform of that time looked like, they do this for mid evil period armour and uniforms, but for WW2 not. I think if they tel the history for genuine items and just leave the repro for the representation part.

@yomamabelgium4123

Жыл бұрын

In my opinion it should be mentionned, it would be like the la gleize tiger myth, shit told instead of true history, i have fallen for such stupid fables too but now i know the real history, or the most credible... Just my opinion, to prevent people believing that everything is original mint condition or repro...

@PanzerPicture

Жыл бұрын

@@yomamabelgium4123 me personally I don't mind the fake uniforms so much, it's a given that they are fake, but just like the Civil War period and the Middle ages, it would be great to see a sign saying that it's a real item, I don't get it that it's common knowledge for people to know that a Middle ages period uniforms are fake, but everybody seems to think everything from WW2 is real, it's really odd. And for the vehicles I totally agree that it would be nice to see the full history of these things and the real correct ones.

@user-mp5xk46zq1j-io5-

Жыл бұрын

@@PanzerPicture The WW2 museum of Diekirch in Luxemburg put up signs to indicate if the uniforms are reproductions. This is to be commended. The uniform reproductions are there to help create dioramas of vehicles, which are displayed around without protection. Normally we should expect to see authentic items behind the windows.

All I care about is the stuff looks call. And at the end of the day, I just want to see cool stuff and learn about it.

Awesome video.

Great job , awesome video , maybe some understanding from some folks now !!! ✔️

The Tiger 131, at Bovington, isn't using the original engine. Does anyone complain about that? /thinkaboutit

@oleriis-vestergaard6844

9 ай бұрын

You are right about the engine - thinks the engine comes from a Panther from Holland so maybe its a Maybach hl 230 instead of originelle Maybach hl 210

Bravo! Well done!

@PanzerPicture

Жыл бұрын

Thank you 👍

As long as its quality Repro. and doesn't say made in China I'm fine with it.

👍

so its alreeady hard to see if the items are real as you need a close up loo and it o for a museum to havee some repro stuf thing is the mint items in the display at the bastange museum could perfectly be real as a collector i have seen items lie this in this condition that are original its just how where theey stored mostly i have items in my collection in leather that loo brand new but those where most of the time never used

Sorry to say that, but if you sell your Tank because of some Idiots bully you who possibly can´t even fix their own car...the blame is fully on you. Haters gonna hate, no video will ever change that. Did you build that tank for yourself, or for other people? Sad story, but i have the feeling money might have played quite the role in that story and now it is easy to point a finger in a different direction :D

-12-15 year old W.O.T's obsessed "Rivet Counters" have suddenly become "Experts" on all things AFV related due to playing a GAME!?.... -Akin to myself telling everyone Im an accomplished Dentist, due to watching hours of YooToob extractions, root-canaals & cosmetic & restorative repairs!...HA! OH BOY! this German Normandy PanzerWerkStattCo's mega-dio Ive been slaving way @ since 2008, would prob get some serious shade thrown from those types of peeps, due to most of my German armor in the PanzerWerkStattCo's in the dio not being 100% historically/time-period accurate?... -Not too mention all the crazy up-armored, ersatz non-standard field modifications Ive added here & there to vehicles. Primarily sourced @ the cost of thousands of dollars, reference materials Ive acquire'd over the years concerning WW2 German AFV's, containing rare photos. An entire bookcase bearing tons photos of such upgrades, photos of which many of the shade tossers have most likely never seen, as "It isnt on the Innertoobz/Google image search"....;) IE: "That version shoudnt have zimmerit as it was produced before 1943, or after Sept 20th 1944!".... -"That tank/assault-gun variant wasnt even present within the Normandy/Euro theater of operations until Feb 1944!" -"My GAWD?!-Your tank OBVIOUSLY doesnt have that many hit-pointz!?"...;) -"No Panzerwaffe crew members EVER stencil'd "Keine Dicken/Fetten Madchen/No Fat Girls" on the side of a Jagdpanther!" Keep up tha great werk(s) PP!

@PanzerPicture

Жыл бұрын

It's a joke, people always said 30 years ago, if people could get their hands on unlimited information they would get smarter, but looks like people are only getting stupider, because they get a interested in a subject they really have no understanding of and bully people because they feel entitled because they have spent hours infesting time into wrong information, like playing a game and thinking everything is correct, or Scale modeling and then thinking that every tank had that camouflage because it's a popular to paint a tank like that ( like that stupid bucket hanging on back of German tanks ) or over weathering a tank and they simply can't handle the fact a tank would not look that way in real-life because that tank would be only a 5 months old in WW2.

@creightonleerose582

Жыл бұрын

@@PanzerPicture Agreed 100% P.P... -We suffer from an >overload of info -Of which, anything of any importance to us usually consists of guesses, opinions, misinfo n' disinfo. All things being generally INVERTED as to its original truth(s)... -Back in the early 1900's.before William R. Hearst began buying up all the small city/town independent papers nationally @ the behest of his masters,Fed Alphabet Agencies,security services,Govt & "Think-Tanks". We had even with less access, largely consisting of print & radio devices, the common person was more likely to get TRUTH on local, regional & national goings on by REAL journalists who valued truth, who did ones level best on attaining FACTS to aid &flesh out the story(s)... -The direct opposite of what we have today, even moreso due to the National Security Secrecy State(s) where most journos have FED creds&nearly 100% of the worlds pop gets its info from millions of "Sources" problem is, is nearly ALL those sources get that info from >4 or less giants in the media industry

@creightonleerose582

Жыл бұрын

LOVE your channel BTW, keep up the great werk, as its a historically important duty. I know how loooong it takes to research, create, edit 10x's, just to post a "Simple" 5 minute vid, as dozens of personal hours are invested in those ventures. Its appreciated by MANY of us! If ya get a chance, or havent seen yet? DEF get a copy, or find it. Its been HEAVILY censored/removed from the web too, which SAYS MUCH. Even "Illegal" in some countries?! -Germany/Austria in particular, but then again, I cant even wear my HEER-PanzerWaffe black waist coat/wrap when VaCa'n there! Even Certain CLOTHES are verboten! Ive gotten more compliments from that coat than any other clothing Ive worn. Seeing the looks on peeps faces when I tell them its "Just An Old COMBAT Uniform" is priceless, that, or I get asked if Im a WAITER/Server in a nice restaurant. -This documentary is the BIGGEST Red-Pill one could swallow when it comes to the hidden history of WHY WW2 was INDUCED & came to pass. So big a red pill its cut into 6 or 7 segments @ 2-3 hours per episode... Title: "EUROPA-The Final Battle" (2017-Sweden) -But in ENG language... Its been known to do one of two things: -Either quite effectively n' efficiently PISS people off immediately as it doesnt connect whatsoever with what weve been so well conditioned & taught to accept as "Historical WW2 Truth(s)"... ~OR~ -Its truly one of the most LIBERATING series one could ever give ones attention too regarding WW1 & WW2 HiddenHistory.(The two wars really consisting of ONE, -Albeit with a half-time show/interval;) Being VERY valuable to our current situation globally. Giving us HUGE, missing "Puzzle Pieces" as to WHY the world & our contemporary times ARE the way that they ARE. Its not @ all "By Accident" nor seemingly detached, unconnected global, national & regional events ballooning to life all theyre own, snowballing n' getting carried away... -The E:T.L.B production value is TOP-Notch, I couldnt even guess how much TIME, $$$, people & research went into such a large project? -A few years? Decades perhaps?... -The fact it was provided for public use FOR FREE says something in & of itself? -Never trust a smarmy, smiling, charlatan trying to $ELL you a WARNING! Considering so much of the data contained therein has been cleverly hidden from us & WELL occulted by TPTB (Soon to be WERE;) Much of the doc's research backed up with real, shown newspaper stories/clippings/1st person experience/Govt-Corporate documents/etc>>>> -Being one of the most "foot-noted" series of documentary vids Ive ever seen & Im a doc nut!.... -Take care & Be Well!

Your repro comment did sound a little negative to me when I watched that museum tour but I don't think that gives idiots the right to bully you or threaten your self or your family. That just ridiculous. It obviously says more about their respective mental health than anything else.

@PanzerPicture

Жыл бұрын

It was merely a short of quote because people don't like repro, like I said in the video I don't mind it. 👍 It seems that these anti repro crazies are in every community. At least the car community seems save of them.

@stoggafllik

Жыл бұрын

>bullied on jewtube Kys faggot

Wow... i can't believe what people are saying to you in the comments it really is shocking i feel for you man.. but i feel more pity for those poor sick people who make these comments. Don't mistake me.. such actions are inexcusable in any context let alone comment section of a educational history youtube channel.. they are absolutely disgusting and i just hope that are not successful in causing any lasting or meaningful hurt to any of their targets as that would be worst of all. Its just so sad & i feel such pitty for any person that is so unwell in there mind that they are so full of hate & bitterness etc.. that they jump to comment on your videos & certainly many others i assume.. just the amount of them & the level of attack is truly shocking. Can you just imagine how these people are in there real lives, in there personal relationships w friends & family or around the general public! But saddest of all in their own heads in their thoughts & feelings they must be so alone, so desperate overwhelmed by darkness & deeply deeply unhappy people. That makes me sad to think of & knowing there are so many is very sad. Hopefully they will get well & find a way out of whatever horrible problems they are affected by & perhaps even make amends to some of the people they have been so cruel to.. probably not though. Anyway i just wanted to say that and i wanted to say i just came to your channel today i just subscribed I'm going through watching and enjoying you content. It's excellent work really very good. Keep it going and just ignore what you can from unwell people.. the problems they have are inside themselves & honestly not with you & your good work. All the best man.

So this seems stupid as he is forced to sell his tank and other in germany drive around in ex DDR Armour numbskills/