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@comentnine1574

3 жыл бұрын

You know Spacedock made a video about ship types in interstellar use have you considered his views?

@Thought_Processing_

3 жыл бұрын

I promise that if I get the chance I shall dub a RSN corvette type the HMSS Templin. RSN - (Royal Space Navy) HMSS - (Her/His Majesty Space Ship)

@draconisthewyvern3664

3 жыл бұрын

actually it spurred the UK into conflict with the USA. in fact the two were virtually on the brink of war. than the assassination happened that started WW1. the usa saw an opportunity to expand unhindered by the UK by being a nuisance to germany and encouraging class (an partly race) division of the german blooded elite in their colonies and in countries where german companies had large scale operations as well as monoplies. this caused germany to try and convince mexico into invading the usa, than the rest is history. a better name for battle cruisers would be cruiser killers. they were cruisers that went after other cruisers. secondly the reason why battle cruisers are treated as mini battleships might have to do with the WW1 germans. prior to calling the three ships they created dreadnought cruisers, they were known as battle cruisers. an the term dreadnought cruiser and battle cruiser was used interchangeably while referring to them in the book: Dreadnought, The Ship That Changed The World speaking of dreadnought’s defining characteristic was gun uniformity of the primary, secondary, and if any, territary guns. for example, the german navy after seeing the HMS dreadnought built 3 ships and called them dreadnought cruisers. these dreadnought cruisers had about 80% of the total protection a battleship would have and were all armed with twelve 8 inch guns and six 6 inch guns. gun calibre uniformity.

@draconisthewyvern3664

3 жыл бұрын

also, wolf pack doctrine was used in WW1 by germany it wasn’t a WW2 thing exactly, it was more else ironed out by germany after WW1 and the first two very disastrous wolf attacks that occurred during the war.

@cortezpaige9175

3 жыл бұрын

When are the Solaris videos coming out

Ahhh yes, the frigate: the ship classification for when you spend way too long trying to puzzle out a fitting term for your odd warship, but then just go "ah, frig it."

@raidermaxx2324

3 жыл бұрын

hahahahah but on the other hand, it seems like there may have been one exception to that friggin rule... For the life of me.. i can seem to recall the name of that one ship... you know, the one that is really long, black, hard, and full of seamen? ? Ah a submarine thats the one! A friggin submarine!! kinda hard to fit that one in a box without a little bit of work

@Naofumi-Iwatani

3 жыл бұрын

@@raidermaxx2324 dont forget that it likes to shoot its load into the afts of u suspecting targets

@JustElijahRS

3 жыл бұрын

The fuc-

@diantebaileu9163

2 жыл бұрын

The greatest military dad joke

@AFMR0420

2 жыл бұрын

I once said very similar, just like Oreo is I don’t know with your mouth full.

22:10 "tanks aren't useful in space battles" * Laughs in Anakin Skywalker *

@23AlexandreJ

3 жыл бұрын

Grevious had COVID before it was cool

@shaysilverlocke6228

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure if anyone knows this, but the Imperium of Man is known to use Taurox APCs/IFVs in boarding action given how large warships can be in 40k

@Dori-Ma

3 жыл бұрын

_Laughs in Henry Gloval_

@josephahner3031

3 жыл бұрын

Those were artillery pieces though, not tanks.

@Delgen1951

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know I have read a few BOLO stories were a Bolo (Cybernetic super heavy tank) was in space and because its main gun is the same caliber as the main guns on a Confederation battleship it shot up every alien ship in range.

While i find the UNSCNs naming conventions pretty cool (with results like Forward Unto Dawn, Pillar of Autumn, Point of No Return, Purgatory's Key, The Space Between, Midsummer Night, In Amber Clad, ...), the Covenant ship names are even more so: Enduring Conviction, Shadow of Intent, Seeker of Truth, Breath of Annihilation, Long Night of Solace, Splendid Intention.

@christopherfleetwood5252

2 жыл бұрын

So true, so very Extra!

@omanyte2791

Жыл бұрын

UNSC Infinity in yo a

@shadxw_hunter

Жыл бұрын

It felt very Shakespearean

@alexbedel6320

Жыл бұрын

My Favorite is the UNSC Say My Name

@shadxw_hunter

Жыл бұрын

@@alexbedel6320 Alex Bedel

I love that you used the Yamato as both the maritime and interstellar example of a Battleship.

@cmelton6796

Жыл бұрын

Even better - it's meant to be THE SAME SHIP 😁

@Ryvaken

10 ай бұрын

Wouldn't a better example of a battleship be something that's not pretending to be a reef?

@jacksonborrello6848

10 ай бұрын

@@Ryvakenyea there’s way too many fish in something that’s supposed to be floating ABOVE the water

@keiyakins

9 ай бұрын

​@@Ryvaken That's just cover for it being refit as a spacefaring vessel!

@juanmanuelpenaloza9264

7 ай бұрын

It's the same damned ship!

I'm a safety inspector at a nuclear power plant. But this is much more important.

@jimmyseaver3647

3 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure that's something Homer Simpson would say.

@andrewgaiennie2002

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, to be fair, things arnt supposed to be broken anyway.

@julonkrutor4649

3 жыл бұрын

i hope you are not close to me ^^

@TheSenorAwesome

3 жыл бұрын

Completely normal phenomenon

@23AlexandreJ

3 жыл бұрын

I... Will be checking the news in the next days...

"Politics of naming ship types" Starfleet: That is not a warship, it is a heavy escort!

@richieThach

3 жыл бұрын

This right here. When Starfleet started making anti-borg ships, they called them "escorts" or "tactical cruisers" rather than battleships or warships.

@Heegaherger

3 жыл бұрын

Star Trek is an odd collection of contradictions. In TNG, Starfleet desperately clings to unrealistic visions of moral high-ground. With both the Romulans and Klingons have warships that happen to be able to fulfill other uses, but they are first-most warships. Starfleet uses Naval culture, but seems to forget what it is for. Review Reiker's protestations about the Enterprise not being a warship for war-game episode or that exchange that started so incredibly arrogantly between Pichard and Q in the first encounter with the Borg about loosing people or Scottie's comment about being on a cruise ship/liner in the Dyson Sphere episode. Also note how they left the killing to their allies and went after the Automated orbital defenses during the Battle of Cardasscia. Heaven forbid humans actually kill anything in battle. And I *LIKE* TNG. At one point, I could identify (but not name) every episode by half way through the teaser (sometimes by the end of the first shot.)

@nikujaga_oishii

3 жыл бұрын

Trek is full of inconsistencies anyway

@Eiskralle1

3 жыл бұрын

Jackie Fisher's "Large Light Cruisers"

@podemosurss8316

3 жыл бұрын

New Republic: Star Defender (Legends) and Star Hawk (canon) for their Star Destroyer counterparts.

Your analogy of a cloaked ship being a sub is actually pretty good. In star wars for example, there was a ship (fairly small) in the clone wars series in the cat and mouse episode that used cloaking tech and torpedoes. It was basically a space sub. To launch its torps it had to uncloak and recloak

@nil981

Жыл бұрын

Except...that there is absolutely no stealth in space. It's physically impossible unless you had some way of violating the laws of thermodynamics.

@dragonbornexpress5650

Жыл бұрын

@@nil981. There is still a way of stealth, though: Combine cloaking tech with sensor jamming and the enemy can't see you on any front even if they were to use the naked eye. You could also find a way to disrupt heat scanning to combat infrared sensors.

@nicolasheredia956

Жыл бұрын

In Legends they take it further, for example the TIE/ph Phantom used cloaking tech, and even a fucking Executor class, the Terror, was equipped with one

@wwrainbowbeastrainbowbeast9687

Жыл бұрын

@@nicolasheredia956 I find it really stupid how are you supposed to hide a ship that is more than 5 miles long never mind actually the The galactic empire’s military is more of a show of force than a shock force

@nicolasheredia956

Жыл бұрын

@@wwrainbowbeastrainbowbeast9687 In short: Stigium crystals are incredibly good at hiding things

The Imperial Japanese Navy also had a great naming guidelines. -Aircraft Carriers were named after mythological creatures (Taihou = Great Phoenix, Souryu= Blue Dragon) -Battleships were named after ancient provinces (Yamato, Musashi, Nagato) -Battlecruisers and Heavy Cruisers were named after mountains/mounts (Amagi, Takao, Atago) -Light Cruisers were named after Rivers (Mogami, Suzuya) -Destroyers, and lesser vessels were named after poetic names Only thing to notice, is that ships ordered as one class, but completed as another (Akagi, Kaga, Shinano) kept their original names.

@RokkitGrrl

Жыл бұрын

That reminds me of SSI's Buck Rogers CRPG. Earth's battleships were named after deserts, which I thought was pretty clever at the time.

@dottietyre9062

Жыл бұрын

So similar to what the U.S. did? USS Arizona USS Washington I don't know how true it is but there's an Aircraft Carrier in Black Ops 2 called the USS Obama so maybe we also named our ships after Presidents?

@thomaszinser8714

Жыл бұрын

@@dottietyre9062 To your first point, kind of. The Japanese provinces which gave names to their battleships were historical ones which, iirc, weren't necessarily used anymore. To the second, modern US carriers have a number of examples named after presidents or other politicians. So for example, there's a USS Gerald Ford, a USS Abraham Lincoln, or a USS Carl Vinson (named after a notable US Representative). This sin't necessarily consistent, though. For example, while the most recent class has both Gerald Ford and John F. Kennedy, it also has Enterprise and Doris Miller (the first Black man to win the Navy Cross, did so for shooting down multiple Japanese planes at Pearl Harbor despite not being trained for the AA guns)

@dottietyre9062

Жыл бұрын

@@thomaszinser8714 Ya learn something new every day. Now for my historical rant there was a WW2 U.S. battleship I forgot it's name but it survived the entire war even Pearl Harbor,was nuked twice,then destroyed by the navy after a full week of shooting it.

@thomaszinser8714

Жыл бұрын

@@dottietyre9062 Oh, that'd be USS Nevada, I believe. Veteran of WW1 as well, and yeah, extremely durable, all things considered. They found the wreck fairly recently as well iirc.

"Any navy with an Advanced Ultra Heavy Tactical Assault Dreadnought has gone too far" *Proceed to cancel plans for Advanced Ultra Heavy Tactical Assault Dreadnought building*

@thewanderer7307

3 жыл бұрын

"I may have gone too far in a few places." - George Lucas

@auxencefromont1989

3 жыл бұрын

Instead start plans for the templin class Strategic tactical ultra heavy assault mega Juggernaut

@malcanthetduffy3613

3 жыл бұрын

But I just wanted to have my tiny four man laser boat to sound intimidating ...

@Tiyev

3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps rebranding the ship as a 'Tactical Heavy Interdictor Class Cruiser/Carrier'?

@eboranshard6220

3 жыл бұрын

Ou so I also cant make a High Imperial Tactical Support Command Aggressive Reconnaissance Heavy Assault Cruiser ?

"Oh, this isn't a Death Star. It's a missile carrying assault starfighter supplying strategic defence Death Star."

@wilfchapman-gandy8120

3 жыл бұрын

"No no, this is a Hyperspace Capable Support Weapon Carrying Super-Station"

@jamham69

3 жыл бұрын

@@wilfchapman-gandy8120 long range laser support mobile supply depot

@raidermaxx2324

3 жыл бұрын

*Birth Star

@KamiRecca

3 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, the MCASSSDDS, an important part in every spacenavy.

@MDP1702

3 жыл бұрын

You still called it a death star, just a special one

Your notes on Titans/Juggernauts point to Stellaris handling them very well! The titans are really just an oversized battleship, built to cary a massive gun and be a fleet's heavy hitter while being just another ship. Juggernauts are absolutely massive and are basically flying cities. But, that use is put into being a massive aircraft carrier, with a ridiculous amount of hangar bays, and even two shipyards, capable of building and repairing everything up to and including a battleship, instead of being just a ridiculous gun platform

@therealspeedwagon1451

Жыл бұрын

And then the Colossus is basically the Stellaris Death Star. It is completely unarmed and only meant to come in when the battle has settled down just like a transport ship would to blow up the planet or neutron sweep it if the empire decides the planet has economic value and they just need to purge it of xenos quickly.

@legostarwarsfan1662

Жыл бұрын

Plus you can set your juggernaut as home base for your main battle fleets if you are operating well outside your own territory, cutting down on mia and repair time if you keep it just behind the front line. Its ridiculous size means that it is able to be both a warship and a starbase.

@piotrekb586

Жыл бұрын

as far as i know juggernaut is able to repair titan altho it is not able to bulid one

@thedischarger12

11 ай бұрын

oh and dont forget about aura components as well target acquisition array is best juggernaut aura imo because of first strike though that has been reduced in recent patches you can easily change it due to the shipyards titan auras like shield damper or quantum destabilizer provide bad debuffs to enemies and inspiring presence, targeting grid, or nanobot cloud are really good as well with their buffs

@time391

11 ай бұрын

Eve Online's Titans used to be overpowered with deadly weapons and area effective destruction that were basically the death stars of their day.

28:10 My naming scheme would be to call *everything* a frigate: Patrol boat: Nano frigate Corvette: Mini frigate Destroyer: Slightly larger frigate Cruiser: Big frigate Battlecruiser: Fast, decently armed, big frigate. Battleship: Very heavily armed, very big frigate Dreadnought: Very heavily armed, very big, slightly different frigate Carrier: Fighter delivery frigate Titan: Gihugic frigate

@Eggmayor

4 ай бұрын

Soldier: very tiny, very different, intelligent, very mini frigate

@itswindyyy

4 ай бұрын

Tank: somewhat tiny, very different, light single cannon frigate@@Eggmayor

@mattstorm360

4 ай бұрын

Fighter: Micro frigate.

"The Imperium of Man doesn't care though." Understatement of the year.

@Dianasaurthemelonlord7777

3 жыл бұрын

Millennium actually

@hyperion8382

2 жыл бұрын

Boarding torpedoes away lol

@MrMarinus18

2 жыл бұрын

Warhammer 40K is all about that though. "Realism or even sense be damned, rule of cool above all!" I don't mean that as a negative though. I love that about Warhammer 40K. They can have the coolest, most interesting, most badass concepts, governments and vehicles of any Sci-Fi setting. I think more Sci-Fi should do that. It's never totally realistic so why not throw realism out of the window entirely?

@manggkee3161

2 жыл бұрын

Melee fighting ships? "For The Empraaahhh!!

@victornoel36

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrMarinus18 I'm not against your statement, but I think it must be applied carefully. My rule of any fiction is that there must be the right balance of realism and "fantasy/cool factor". Too much realism and your story becomes dull and doesn't stand out. Too much fiction and your story is not relatable and looses all credibility. So, what's the correct balance? It depends on who's your target audience.

Everyone likes the name "Dreadnought" It literally means "fear nothing" It's the perfect term for a type of vessel that is a complete game-changer and can't be fought fairly without devastating loss.

@gilson9702

3 жыл бұрын

or plot

@gwest3644

3 жыл бұрын

“Fairly” being the key word. Hence why they generally aren’t made anymore.

@Nostripe361

3 жыл бұрын

I liked space docks idea for dreadnaught being a name that’s used as a sort of taunt to scare your foes or for propaganda use on your side to play up the ship rather than a specific type of ship.

@MarionetteDuAuguste

3 жыл бұрын

@@gwest3644 you’re right, fairly is the operative term here, but if you succeed in creating a notable enough vessel it becomes a sort of challenge to the enemy, who have three options. 1) Fight it fairly (in which case they take excessive losses) 2) Fight unfairly (in which case you know where their attention will be, leaving the rest of the fleet to maneuver relatively unimpeded. So long as you don’t fall to hubris you’ll be fine) 3) ignore it (in which case you can use it to steamroll anything in its way)

@Clonetrooperz48

3 жыл бұрын

I Agree with that. But With one of my Personal Space Baring Dreadnoughts, 'Cyclops' Has Defined the Term for me to a Single Sentance. "Fuck You Battleships! I'm Better!"

I think it'd be pretty neat for a space carrier to carry larger slower ships like a battleship or destroyer across large distances quickly. The USS infinity had the ability to store 10 frigates for example

@RealGracefulGoose

9 ай бұрын

*MCRN Donnager has entered the chat*

39:22 The Lost Fleet has a running joke about ships called Invincible being anything but. The name's such a problem for morale that Captain Geary renames a captured ship (one that's much more valuable for scientific purposes than in combat) Invincible to take the name out of circulation. I always loved that sort of detail, as silly as it is.

Doctrine: *Railguns* Backup doctrine: *M o r e r a i l g u n s*

@aethertech

3 жыл бұрын

Backup Backup doctrine: Asteroids and thrusters.

@koltentaylor221

3 жыл бұрын

@@aethertech Backup Backup Backup doctrine: War moon

@aiosquadron

3 жыл бұрын

That sounds like something Klingons would do.

@SkitariiAlpha

3 жыл бұрын

@@aiosquadron *The necrontyr would like to know your location*

@alexhobbs2209

3 жыл бұрын

you just explained UNSC's war fucking doctrine, their ships are basically flying railguns

"Don't name a ship after something that could be seen as a challenge to the sea, that's bad luck." HMS Invincible (from the bottom of the North Sea): Yeah, I can see that now.

@lukxki1623

2 жыл бұрын

Has destroyed

@alexeyvlasenko6622

2 жыл бұрын

HMS What Could Possibly Go Wrong?

@mclatchyt

2 жыл бұрын

RMS Titanic: First time?

@murkywateradminssions5219

2 жыл бұрын

HMS Hood: never again... KMS Bismarck: can totally agree on that statement... IJN Yamato: *I'M NOT A HOTEL!! BAAAKAA!!*

@shanedoesyoutube8001

2 жыл бұрын

@@murkywateradminssions5219 me to Yamato: of course not, you just happened to be a maximum security hotel

Regarding naming conventions: In David Weber's Harrington series, Weber introduced the idea of an 'honors list', when a ship accomplished something extraordinary, it was added to the honors list, and was thus 'immortal' in that there would always be a ship in service with that name in that general class. I really like the idea of this tradition, and I think you see shades of it in real life, like the number of ships named 'Enterprise' in the US Navy. It would also add some nice depth to the feel of a fictional feet's history if mixed in with their usual ship names, there's a few that don't fit, but which are particularly prestigious postings.

@TheHalcyonAnon

Жыл бұрын

I loved it when they gave her the Nike. Also glad when she took Pavel to the field of honor.

@blackjac5000

Жыл бұрын

That's already in play in Star Trek, with Starfleet naming everything with no real rhyme or reason for warships, exploration vessels, scientists, aerospace pioneers, and so forth. Case in point: there's a USS Phoenix, which could either be for the bird, the city, or humanity's first FTL-capable ship. Voyager's most likely named for the space probe, but her class is named for the carrier Intrepid. There's the irony of the Battle of Midway with how one of the Enterprise-D's sister ships is the Yamato and how the Akagi and Hornet were part of a blockade. Enterprise NX-01 is named for the space shuttle, not any of the carriers.

@kharilane1340

Жыл бұрын

​@@blackjac5000 The shuttle Enterprise was named after the Star Trek vessel. Full Circle irony!!!

@blackjac5000

Жыл бұрын

@@kharilane1340 And on top of that, the shuttle was originally going to be named Constitution, the Enterprise NCC-1701's class...

@hanzzel6086

9 ай бұрын

​@@blackjac5000And said shuttles name was only charged because of pressure from Star Trek fans. It was originally going to the second shuttle that would be called Enterprise. Because the first shuttle was a none space going test bed, and NASA, who obviously had a few Trekkies in their midst, wanted the first spacefaring shuttle to bear the name.

I like my doctrine in modded Stellaris: Strap a big gun to one side of a moon, strap a bunch of rockets to another. When that doesn’t work, do the same to a planet. When that doesn’t work, get three planets and 6 moons, do that to them, then strap ‘em to a Dyson sphere. It’s so stupid nothing can counter it.

@svenneumann2816

Жыл бұрын

May I introduce you to the concept of making a star go supernova?

@dottietyre9062

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@olafgurke4699

Жыл бұрын

It's so powerful, not even the game's dated engine can handle it. But the devs paradoxically refuse to upgrade it.

@goose_dove

Жыл бұрын

@@olafgurke4699 paradox likes to live up to its' namesake

@olafgurke4699

Жыл бұрын

@@goose_dove They definitely do.

In my Stellaris game I was playing as a Neo-Roman Empire. I named my two Titans Romulus and Remus. I was so proud of myself hahaha.

@dogefromtheblacklagoon3358

3 жыл бұрын

What exactly is Neo-Roman ? Cause it sounds cool

@thattotalwarguy7911

3 жыл бұрын

@@dogefromtheblacklagoon3358 New Roman. In essence, a restored Roman Empire.

@moonwolf8470

3 жыл бұрын

@@thattotalwarguy7911 so neo-classical is restored classical? /s

@farizbjorn

3 жыл бұрын

@@dogefromtheblacklagoon3358 Roman empire, except in space

@dogefromtheblacklagoon3358

3 жыл бұрын

@@farizbjorn dark caesar

" Having soldiers onboard your ships is kind of useless in space battle. " - Right. Well, you say that, I say *LAUNCH THE BOARDING TORPEDOS! IN KHORNE'S NAME, WE COMMIT SPACE MELEE!*

@arcdecibel9986

2 жыл бұрын

But that's HERESY! You are a Heretek! Dispatching Kataphron Breachers!

@Khornecussion

2 жыл бұрын

@@arcdecibel9986 Release the chainsword roombas.

@MrMarinus18

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed if they relied on boarding. Ships in the age of sail relied in large part on boarding until fairly late because in truth destroying a well build ship with cannon fire is very difficult. They were made of wood so were natively bouyand and so shooting a lot of holes in the side really wouldn't make it sink. There was of course the black powder but that was often stored below the waterline and since it were solid balls even a direct hit wouldn't neccecarily cause detination. Black powder is not very shock sensitive so as long as you didn't have a metal on metal strike it wouldn't detonate. On top of that if a ship was losing it could very easily just sail away from the battle. To actually take out the enemy navy there was no other real option than to capture it. The broadside fire was more so to injure and demoralize the enemy. I wouldn't think in a Sci-Fi setting that would be the case. That ships can't actually do much damage to each other or that you can shoot a ship full of holes and that being considered minor damage.

@numnutz457

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrMarinus18 What! The solid balls are metal cannonballs, the gunpowder was stored as powder in barrels down below and young men (powder monkeys)would bring it up in bags to the gun decks. And this bit about "sailing away from the battle" is absolute bovine doodoo, the masts, rigging and sails were one of the first targets to be destroyed robbing the enemies manoeuvrability and speed using bar shot cannon balls, look it up.

@MrMarinus18

2 жыл бұрын

@@numnutz457 Bar shot cannonballs are indeed a thing. The chain served to greatly increase the surface area making the mast easier to hit. Even so it wasn't an easy target. You word your argument about the powder monkeys as if it's contradicting what I said. Of course they have to bring it up. They can't teleport it. But you only bring up what you need and send for more when the current load is running out. You don't have dozens of barrels of powder all sitting there ready to go off. I did look it up and a sail won't really rip and it will still function even if there are a few holes in it. The entire reason why there was so much focus on the mast rigging and other such elements was exactly for the reason I stated. You want to prevent your enemy from sailing away and you also want to prevent them from chasing you if you want to retreat. Just because forcing a decisive naval engagement is very hard does not mean people didn't try and at times didn't succeed. But it was very difficult. Mostly because once a ship manage to get past the horizon in open waters it was pretty much home free. I do know that Nelson's battle of Trafalger was highly unusual in actually being decisive and dealing an inrepperable blow to an enemy sea navy. But it was tricky as you had to surround them and keep them from running before you have manage to cripple their propulsion.

I'm working on a Sci-fi fantasy for years now. I have around 600-page notes about the setting right now and I just found your channel days ago. It helped me to alternate some things in my notes for better understanding. In the Martian Republic's Fleet, I can't use it, but the name 'Templin' is fitting for the language of one of the Major races of "my world". So if you let me, I would use the name "Templin-class Battlecruiser". The class will be operating with hardened frontal shielding capabilities, Strong side armors, and large broadside capabilities.

@Marcharound

Жыл бұрын

I think you’re okay to name it after the channel. 40:29 “Name a ship after me. One of the smaller ones, though.”

@grahamradcliffe

8 ай бұрын

Would love to see it if/when it gets done if that’s ok

In the case of the autumn, you pretty much hit the nail on the head, everything about the ships loadout was assembled for a multi-role single ship campaign deep behind enemy lines to try and destabilize the Covenant hierarchy in a desperation attack

"Having soldiers onboard your ships is kindof useless in a space battle" *laughs in 40K*

@TheRezro

3 жыл бұрын

40k is straight fantasy. Like they FTL through hell.

@501ststormtrooper9

3 жыл бұрын

*Laughs in Heavy Gravity Stormtroopers literally tipping apart frigates*

@doorknockerpingu6932

3 жыл бұрын

Its for when your commanders love to use "boarding rams" laughs in fenrisian....

@Mikalent

3 жыл бұрын

@@doorknockerpingu6932 when the HALO Covenant would rather board your ship to plant a bomb, rather than just let the swarm of smaller craft bomb your ship into oblivion.

@AlbertoMartinez765

3 жыл бұрын

yeah going to disagree there, Soldiers aboard ships ,specifically marines are Used for Boarding, security and Defense against enemy boarding..sailors are NOT trained for that kind of Close Quarters combat.

When it comes to ship designations and politics, I remember a little ditty "She's a corvette when authorized. A frigate when laid down. A destroyer when commissioned. A cruiser when going to war. But if sunk, she's only a corvette."

@thomasjoyce7910

3 жыл бұрын

Not a Submarine?

@xveers

3 жыл бұрын

@@thomasjoyce7910 Only if she surfaces again afterwards :D

@inf3cted194

3 жыл бұрын

Where's that from?, Sounds really cool.

@Zack_Wester

3 жыл бұрын

@@inf3cted194 I would guess the Japanese/German during the pre World war 2 whit the London treaty that limited armaments and tonadge some countries tricked a bit whit all of them in different way like ship build just under but could over a weekend ups its weight class. Note Navy uses a wierd Ton that im refering to as NavyTons. then there are practical problem like some one designing a 100NavyTons destroyer Convoy escort. constriction starts the gun design is changed from 120mm to 122mm because a standard was finally set after years of argument. Convoy ships got a 10% speed boost as a result of a new engine design. miss calculations whit steal and other mishaps and now its a 105NavyTons that can´t perform as a Convoy Escort be cause its a bit to slow. then the arguments about what class a ships is because I remember a story about I think it was a Italian ship the Italian are like this is a Light Cruiser. Germany no its a Cruiser. UK: its a heavy destroyer. US: its a destroyer. Japan: its a Corvet whit no main gun. not sure what each country called it but thats more or less that story. it was a mess Pre World war, it was still a mess During World war. and almost all ship got reclisided post war again. and note it took a long time to build a ship. so have a ship design presented at the London treaty and approved as classed as something, mid construction have it re classified and as you complete it have it re classified again was not impossible. (that said going from battleship to Destroyer was not really a thing but usually around the general spectrum).

24:49 The Mega-class literally was supposed to be a mobile city, according to the novel. It was supposed to be like the mobile capital of the First Order, after the destruction of Starkiller Base.

@TheRezro

Жыл бұрын

It is. We could say it is a Mothership.

"It would be an easy propaganda victory for the Empire if they could prove that the Rebels were hiding behind the sick and wounded." Maybe so, but the counterpoint to that would be that many Imperials wouldn't hesitate to fire on a Rebel hospital ship, armed or otherwise, so the Rebels reasonably would a) arm those ships to give them a fighting chance, and b) keep them guarded within the fleet. So while I agree the Empire could use that as a propaganda boost, it's not unreasonable for the Rebels to want their hospital ships to defended.

@jeremydale4548

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. AND it can also be propaganda for the rebels who can easily say that the Empire fires on hospital ships. Plus, in space, what idiot WOULDN'T arm a hospital ship in case it needs to blow an asteroid out of it's way or something?

@colbygordon6936

Жыл бұрын

@@jeremydale4548 Except star wars has deflector shields that can do that job easily.

@jeremydale4548

Жыл бұрын

@@colbygordon6936 And if the asteroid is too large for a mere deflector shield? All I'm saying is space is dangerous and I doubt anyone would mind if a hospital ship was armed to defend itself when needed.

@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman

Жыл бұрын

Not arming everything is unwise

@paulmahoney7619

Жыл бұрын

@@jeremydale4548 I think it depends, the space equivalent of CIWS guns are probably fair game, full-on turbolaser batteries definitely not.

The Mass Effect Universe has strict restrictions on how many Dreadnoughts each race is allowed to construct. Humanity got around that by building "Carriers" that were of a comparable size. Basically the same as the New Republic. "That's not a Dreadnought. We only have 3 Dreadnoughts. Those are aircraft carriers."

@ascendedraven1934

3 жыл бұрын

If I remember correctly, there was a codex entry in one of the games that said the other council races had never really considered the idea of building a massive ship whose sole purpose was to carry as many fighters as could be stuffed into the hull.

@ladywaffle2210

3 жыл бұрын

@@ascendedraven1934 "Man has fought themselves for ten thousand years. Therefore, they have no excuse for not fighting well."

@fan9775

3 жыл бұрын

So what japan is doing..now..

@azzameentv

3 жыл бұрын

And then the Council Races started copying it. It really sold the idea that Humans may be new to the Galactic Stage but they brought fresh ideas that impressed races that have been travelling in space far longer.

@murkywateradminssions5219

3 жыл бұрын

Germany: *what battleship?*

Thank you, Japan, for allowing us to use the same ship for both interstellar and maritime examples of a battleship.

@wyrmofvt

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. _Exact same ship._

@timber_wulf5775

3 жыл бұрын

Despite this being an old comment it’s only natural to start a verse about such. UCHEN SEKAN YAAAA MAAAA TOOOOOOOOO

@aureusknighstar2195

3 жыл бұрын

Oh boy, where should I start explaining one of my most favourite Sci-Fi Franchise. Well simply, they overhauled the Yamato battleship into an intergalactic traveling battleship to find a certain planet that can save the near-extinct humans and a half-dead earth. They also duke it out with massive one-ship stand versus a grand alien fleet.

@JesseMcCullough

3 жыл бұрын

@@aureusknighstar2195 Considering that this is exactly what the Allies were terrified might happen if Yamato wasn't just a floating hotel for most of the war, nice bit of backhanded chin scratching by the creators right there.

@andrew3203

3 жыл бұрын

@@wyrmofvt Yeah. 200 meters ship is not much in space. WH40k corvettes are over 1km, destroyers at 1.6 km and real battleships at 10kms or more.

16:55 Actually, the Dreadnought was so influential that a lot of people (especially at the time) counted it as an invention of a new ship type. And for a LONG time it was viewed as its own distinct ship type.

@TheRezro

Жыл бұрын

Except it was not. Historians distinct pre-Dreadnought category. Also HMS Dreadnought was actually Battlecruiser anyway.

@gabrielho1874

3 ай бұрын

​@@TheRezro Powercreep

@TheRezro

3 ай бұрын

@@gabrielho1874 Yeh, bane of good SF.

@gabrielho1874

2 ай бұрын

@@TheRezro On the topic of HMS Dreadnought, how long that ship hold the "best battleship" title for until it got outclassed and how long until it was hopelessly powercreep by the next generation?

@TheRezro

2 ай бұрын

@@gabrielho1874 Not that long. It is quite possible that they start construction counter before it was even finished. The actual revolution were the Fishers ideas.

The reason the Executor SSD was designated as a 'Star Dreadnought' was because of the fact that one of the ships the Galactic Republic used was called the Dreadnought heavy cruiser

@kharilane1340

Жыл бұрын

Indeed

@ryanlaurie8733

8 ай бұрын

Dreadnought just means "Fear Nothing" in archaic terms so... Yeah.

@marykateharmon

8 ай бұрын

@@ryanlaurie8733 More it was a pun. There's a verse in the Bible in the KJV that says in part "Fear the Lord and dread naught." And so, the guy that named the Dreadnought class basically just said. "Fear the Lord and Dreadnought."

In Mass Effect, the Citadel Council limited the number of Dreadnoughts the Human Systems Alliance could build So they sidestepped it by building Dreadnought-sized Carriers

@501ststormtrooper9

3 жыл бұрын

I wonder how many turrets- I mean fighters that can carry..

@CBRN-115

3 жыл бұрын

"Totally not a dreadnaught"

@derpco.69420

3 жыл бұрын

Ah yes teh carrier class dreadnought

@owenyin3316

3 жыл бұрын

“It’s okay, they don’t have a spinal gun or broadsides, instead they have a few hundred smaller guns with thrusters”

@angrykid616

3 жыл бұрын

So like the Russians did with their totally not a carrier class cruiser?

Re: The Rebel Alliance and capital ships: The Rebels kept capital ships around for the same reason the Kriegsmarine did. They may be few and expensive, but they pose a threat if they sally forth towards something poorly-protected. They serve to tie down enemy resources as naval units are drawn to search for and contain or destroy them. Convoy PQ-17 is perhaps one of the finest examples of this. The German battleship _Tirpitz_ could inflict massive damage on a convoy, and when news arrived that she had sortied (even though she didn't and it was simple misinformation), convoy PQ-17 and its escorts (which included battleships) was ordered to scatter. Even if the battleships engaged, _Tirpitz_ could still sink many poorly-protected merchantmen before going down or being forced into retreat. When the convoy scattered, many merchants, alone and unprotected, were picked off by U-boats and aircraft, and less than half made it to their destination of Arkhangelsk. Capital ships typically need to be countered by other capital ships. The Royal Navy made multiple attempts to sink _Tirpitz_ before the famous Dambusters finished the job, tying down resources that could've been used elsewhere. It's a similar case to the Rebellion's flotilla of Mon Calamari cruisers. They're few in number, but they're big, heavily-armed, and can show up to beat up ill-protected Imperial positions. The Empire knew it needed to take out the Rebel capital ships if it was to maintain a tight grip on the galaxy, hence the trap at Endor that so infamously blew up in their faces. They had been tracking the positions of those ships for some time before, and decided that the time was right to remove them from the board and secure ultimate victory.

@joaomiguelmoreira6363

3 жыл бұрын

Thats one of the most concise analysis that I've ever seen on that subject, really nice dude.

@jimmyseaver3647

3 жыл бұрын

João Miguel Moreira I've had practice, and to be honest, I'm quite happy with how that post turned out as well. Naval history has been a subject that fascinated me and can be applied heavily to science fiction since so much of it draws from naval history. The US Navy even recognized this and did a number of lectures a while back showing how science fiction can be used to understand real-world naval issues and affairs.

@shaider1982

3 жыл бұрын

The problem was that they followed Rader's plan for large ships, with few submarines. A threat, yes, but was put down easily. Though, for space, no counterpart for the submarine.

@dragonmaster1500

3 жыл бұрын

@@shaider1982 Actually, there are. SW the Clone Wars season 2 episode 16 a prototype stealth ship, the prototype IPV-2C Stealth Corvette, was introduced and then never seen again. Apparently in the Star Wars universe it's pretty difficult to put a clocking device on smaller ships, this was mentioned in the Empire Strikes Back, though an exact reason is never given. My headcanon is because of how advanced Sensors are in the SW universe the power requirements needed to run a stealth generator sophisticated enough to fool all of them was immense and far greater than what most smaller ships were capable of.

@caad5258

3 жыл бұрын

Good points. Have a reply.

39:16 - 39:22 Jack Campbell's The Lost Fleet covered that. The Alliance in his series ALWAYS had an "Invincible" in the fleet, and is quick to name a new one when they lose one. IIRC the MC actually reflects on the hubris of challenging the Living Stars by doing so and while engineers within the fleet have tried, fleet personnel on other ships flat out refuse to cannibalize stricken Invincibles to fix their own ships.

@thehayguy

Жыл бұрын

I absolutely love that series. His fleet battles are very much how I picture actual space warfare to look like

my favorite example of naming conventions in sci-fi are the Laconian magnetar-class ships from the later books of The Expanse. They're called Voice of the Whirlwind, Heart of the Tempest, and Eye of the Typhoon. such an awesome and consistent scheme

@RealGracefulGoose

3 ай бұрын

The Laconian Navy is probably the single coolest space navy in all of sci-fi lol

The Imperium of Man's naming conventions: "you get an adjective, you get an adjective, EVERYONE GETS AN ADJECTIVE"

@jimskywaker4345

3 жыл бұрын

@@gravy59 star trek, you get an enterprise you get an enterprise everyone gets an enterprise

@mannofdober873

3 жыл бұрын

In BFGA 2, I once got a ship called Pride of Pride. Naming conventions indeed.

@koohikoo

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimskywaker4345 tbf the enterprise is always the flag ship of the navy

@aiosquadron

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimskywaker4345 In star trek, ships name are named to give "Positive feeling" or "Proudness" like Discovery, Enterprise, Defiant, Voayger

@noblebork7444

3 жыл бұрын

Sci-fi earth ships: You get a place, you get a place, EVERYONE gets a place

*Me, sitting in my advanced-ultraheavy-tactical-assault Dreadnought:* "Ah, now you may think this superfluous, but I am an Emperor, so checkmate you dirty commoner."

@RJALEXANDER777

3 жыл бұрын

The superfluous would be a great name for something like that.

@grantt1589

3 жыл бұрын

Me literally in a planet sized ship: Pathetic

@colins4050

3 жыл бұрын

_laughs in Stellaris Combat Systems_

@istvanbrooks5319

3 жыл бұрын

*Casually Warps a Marauder on your ships bridge*

@colins4050

3 жыл бұрын

@@istvanbrooks5319 *Casually releases xenomorphs and warforms on homeplanet*

One of my favorite categories of ships that I feel should be in more sci-fi is the "monitor" and its described as a small ship with the largest possible gun(s) equipped to it. An example of a monitor type in sci-fi might be the prototype B Wing. Monitors however where real ships. I think from the steam ship era.

@HBon111

2 жыл бұрын

You sir have sent me on a wiki binge. 18-inch guns on these things! xD Those wily Brits!

@thequietstag4366

Жыл бұрын

@@HBon111 The Monitor was an American Ironclad...

@HBon111

Жыл бұрын

@@thequietstag4366 it was more than just that

@doomedwit1010

Жыл бұрын

Monitors post civil war were coastal bombardment and riverine ships. In sci fi these are often warships that can't travel faster than light. Obviously utility depends a LOT on tech. Not good in star trek where ships can drop in and out of warp at will. On the other hand if there's a 24 hour cooldown or jump gates, monitors make sense. If ftl engines or gates are size limited or extremely expensive but not needed for in system movement.

@novaseer

Жыл бұрын

That's basically what battlecruisers in my setting are - ships that aren't very well armoured, but are at least 70% gun and exist solely to punch massive holes in the bigger battleships and dreadnoughts. Or, hell, if you're a smaller ship, imagine a great lance of energy the size of your ship moving towards you at the speed of light.

The "Lost Fleet" from John G. Hemry has a very details naming convention and big differentiation of ship types. Surprisingly they have not carriers like you predicted, instead they most "capital" ships have shuttles and dropships. There is also a ship type specilised to supply and logistics which is actually a mining + factory ship. The argument is that in space supply lines become unsustainable and resources are readily available through astroids and gas-giants, so why not harvest them there?

@lord6617

Жыл бұрын

The reason they don't have carriers isn't surprising - ships pass each other at meaningful fractions of the speed of light and weapons fire based on computer calculations in passing engagements. There's no room for a "fighter craft" level of of maneuver combat that carriers bring to the table. There isn't much "piloting" but rather calculations plotted for navigation.

As far as I can tell, the Venator-class star destroyers were named after the Jedi General who commanded it - Anakin's was named 'Resolute' and Obi-Wan's was named 'Negotiator'.

@minecat1839

3 жыл бұрын

Mace Windu= Endurance

@batboy555

2 жыл бұрын

I never understood that in star wars. Why are they commanding armies and navies? Better in a commando role

@count_chunkula9723

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, the negotiator

@leonielson7138

2 жыл бұрын

@@batboy555 Before the inhibitor chip reveal, I assumed that the reason that the clones turned against the Jedi was because most of them were actually piss-poor leaders. Palpatine put them in command of armies and navies knowing that they would fail and alienate those under their command. *Clone:* "We just saw a thousand of our brothers cut down because the 'General' bungled an order." *Jedi:* "You must learn to let go of attachments."

@mirceazaharia2094

2 жыл бұрын

@@leonielson7138 Well, it worked. I sort of despise the Jedi. Every time a Jedi died onscreen, I felt nothing but relief - another brainwashed puppet of the Force down, good riddance to bad rubbish. Every time a clone died, I cringed in sympathy - those boys were born just to fight and die, they never had a chance at life. The Force has caused more problems than it ever solved, IMO.

I feel that the role of Titans or Juggernauts is less a practical one and more a political one, showing the naval might of an Empire. It makes a pretty big statement when you roll up on your foe with a ship big enough to have it's own gravitational pull after all.

@TheRezro

3 жыл бұрын

In my opinion Titan isn't as much class as way to classify absurdly oversized ships. Juggernaut is straight propaganda. Also many ships of this size serve as mobile shipyards (in such case they usually are referred as motherships).

@epicninja2378

3 жыл бұрын

Could be like the historical yamato, we can't build a lot of ships so let's build a few really big ships and hope they kill a load of enemy capital ships.

@TheRezro

3 жыл бұрын

@@epicninja2378 Size and might of Yamato was overblown by Imperial propaganda. Iowa class was seven meter longer, though has 1/7 less displacement. Still I would call them comparable. British Battlecruiser Hood has similar length and 2/7 less displacement.

@epicninja2378

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRezro I meant the idea of the Yamato class was few big ships, the practical reality of it doesn't matter to what I was saying cos I was just using it as an example.

@ifyourmarriedyourasimpanda7440

3 жыл бұрын

Craftworlds would like to have a word with you.

19:08 In Starsector, there are dedicated carrier classes that can hold 2-5 fighter wings, but everything bigger than a frigate can convert their cargo holds to hold a single fighter wing, at a small penalty to fighter effectiveness. 25:35 Their equivalent to submarines are phase ships, which can phase to avoid enemy fire, but are still detectable and cannot be attacked. I think that's a great analogue.

Can I just say that this video has been one of the most useful resources on my fictional writing projects. I can't thank the guys at the Templin Institute enough

Hey, if you're curious about why the Autumn had troops onboard, its because they were about to initiate a sort of "last resort" strike on the Covenant homeworld. The ship was extra heavily armored and outfitted to enter into Covenant controlled space, and deliver every single Spartan II onto a Covenant cruiser to capture it. Fill that Covenant cruiser to the brim with ground forces, and use it to sneak up on the Covenant homeworld High Charity for invasion. Based on how much damage Master Chief was able to do to High Charity single handedly in Halo 2, this attack would have likely been a successful one. The UNSC would have captured the Forerunner key ship to "reclaim" as reclaimers, and study, and the Covenant would have lost their most important relic (the same Keyship) absolutely vital to initiate their great journey. If not for the Covenant attack on Reach occurring minutes before the Autumn was supposed to launch this mission, the UNSC and Humanity would have won the war in less than a month, and ended it in just a year or so after reverse engineering the Keyship. You would have seen a UNSC Infinity a few years earlier than expected, as that relied on reverse engineered Forerunner tech. TL;DR: That's why the Autumn was so heavily outfitted for ground warfare. It was meant for boarding action behind enemy lines followed by immediate ground invasion without the benefit of a refit and resupply.

@RJALEXANDER777

3 жыл бұрын

And the courage and balls behind such a mission was immense. Would be like North Korea planning a mission to capture the president from Washington D.C.

@Will_Forge

3 жыл бұрын

@@RJALEXANDER777 yes exactly. Although maybe more realistically it would be like Britain with the Royal Navy vs the US. The US has about 3 times the numbers, and is decades ahead of the Royal Navy in tech, which is approximately applicable to the Human Covenant war. They also have soldiers that are close enough to equal that they could theoretically dominate on the ground before factoring in air support like the Humans do against the Covenant, although it would be dependant on heroism and strategy as our troops are about equal. The main reason the Covenant dominated Humanity is that they had better ships and the ability to glass a planet should it become too difficult to beat with ground forces, like we saw on Reach. Further more The British colonies across the ocean are in a comparable state to the Human colonies in Halo in that they are spread out compared to the US states, and they need to cross distances of space to send relief from one to the other, like the british and the seas. If the US and Britain went to war without any outside interference except her colonies, it would be a similar conflict on paper. Of course the US fields strategies far more advanced than that of the Covenant, and are equal with the British military in that way, so Britain wouldn't actually have the land domination that the Humans have in Halo. But the tech, numbers, and territory spread is pretty closely comparable. TL;DR: If the US used colonial era land combat strategies against Britain and her colonies in war with no one else interfering, it would be almost exactly comparable to the Human/Covenant war due to factors like fleet power and spread of the British colonies.

@ClassMRule

3 жыл бұрын

Keep in mind how well the Spirit of Fire preformed throughout Halo Wars as well and tell me that having that sort of flexibility is a dumb idea. It makes sense that you would equip your starships with the means to launch a ground assault considering how it allows you to engage the enemy on multiple fronts simultaneously through use of drop pods, pelican support, and starship coverage you can face the enemy on land, air, and sea all while commanding them from your orbital flagship likely with some AI assistance for combat logistics.

@danielherman2509

3 жыл бұрын

seeing all these comments, I want to clear a few things up on this: 1 the UNSC usually has troops on anything bigger than a corvette, which is a bad idea considering the overall fragility of their ships. 2 the spirit of fire is a phoenix class colony ship, (specifically a phoenix class refit) and due to the type and propose of the ship it always carries tons of troops / vehicles, being a colony / invasion ship.

@Will_Forge

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielherman2509 well the reason they have troops on every ship is to prevent the Covenant from boarding, which they like to do and due to the difference in tech levels are able to do even on a defense station in orbit of Earth. Since hiding Earth's location was a top priority of the war, and since their number of ships was always kept lower than ideal, the ground forces ended up with troops to spare, this arangement became vital for the success of the war. Also the tactical advantage of ODSTs dropping out of orbit in seconds is pretty hard to argue against. Every war is different, and every engagement in a given war is unique. Yes it seems dumb to include ground forces in every ship, but given the circumstances of the world building in Halo, it was the best choice. I would say that drones would be an even better idea, but AI rampancy in Halo makes that a no go as well. Slipspace is the defining factor in the world building for most of this. Space combat rarely takes place away from the orbit of a planet where ground forces may also need to be rapidly deployed, and covenant boarding ships like the Tick are outfitted with powerful shields and sometimes slipspace capabilities. That all being said, you're right about the other stuff. I just wanted to explain why that wasn't as dumb as it seems when taking Halo worldbuilding into consideration.

"In Space, you can make your Starship as big as you want" Yeah... until moons are torn from a planets gravity well like with Warhammer 40.000's 25+ Kilometer ships...

@stephenwalsh2476

3 жыл бұрын

Holy shit what the hell happens if high charity goes near a moon?

@neooblisk0084

3 жыл бұрын

There is lots of potential strategy in that, I mean you could essentially through moons at people.

@BierBart12

3 жыл бұрын

@@neooblisk0084 The Orks kinda do that. Strapping giant engines on a celestial body(Probably by crashing a bunch of battleships into it) to build Attack Moons

@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874

3 жыл бұрын

@@neooblisk0084 Or fling a miniature sun at the enemy space station (see also: Badab War).

@politenonparticipant4859

3 жыл бұрын

Just turn the moons into a new ship type: a lunar class natural carrier.

On the UNSC putting troops on every ship: I'm sure that wasn't standard before the Covenant-Human War. However, in the lore, the Covenant won almost all the time in space, but on the ground the fights were more even - even often UNSC-favored when they weren't outnumbered. Also, the Covenant were attacking planets - there weren't many deep-space engagements since the war was a defensive posture from the UNSC. In these contexts, troops on spacecraft makes sense: they can be deployed from orbit to reinforce key defensive positions on the planet or repel boarders (which the Covenant were fond of using)

@TheRezro

Жыл бұрын

As explained in later video about this topic. This was explained in the game. But otherwise trope is overused.

As far as what you said about keeping landing forces aboard warships. While full planetary invasion forces shouldnt be kept, historically small detachments of marines are routinely assigned to large warships for a myriad of duties. I can see that being even more prevalent in space, since when you disable a spaceship it doesnt just sink into the ocean, and theres a real chance to the crew will be able to salvage the ship enough to limp home if you leave it, or even reactivate some weapons, even in circumstances you thought that would be impossible. Boarding actions will likely be the inevitable ending to space battles, unless you just want to entirely obliterate the entire ship which would take a lot of time and waste tons(litterally) of resources. Here it would likely be very beneficial to keep a relevant-sized garrison of marines aboard any ship that can fit them. As a trained force of marines would have a MUCH easier time of fighting off your boarders long enough for help to arrive than normal Navy Spacemen would. And on bigger ships like battleships I can totally see massive rooms hundreds of meters in size being used for all kinds of things, and therefor potentially space for armored defence vehicles to give you an even greater advantage there.

About the UNSC having marine battalions on most of their ships: The Covenant would often board ships in order to capture forerunner relics and/or access human star maps. They would also board stations, land on moons, asteroids, etc, for the same reasons. Thus, having a marine battalion on every ship would mean that boarding would become much less of a threat and would make enacting the cole protocol much easier as it would not always require the self destruction of an entire ship if it is at risk of capture; the marines already on board could just kick the covenant off the ship, protecting any sensitive data or forerunner relics without sacraficing the entire ship. This also allows any ship to help defend stations or even planetside locations in the same way, as we see with the defence of Earth where multiple human ships chase after Regret's carrier and deploy their troops directly to new mombasa to help defend it. I do agree that hauling around tanks and stuff seems like a waste of resources, but I imagine the insane industrial capacity that the UEG must have to make such huge warships makes most UNSCMC equipment inexpensive to the point where wasting them is not really an issue.

@reavercity568

3 жыл бұрын

when every one is literally working toward getting not glassed from existance a few tanks on a space ship are not really a cost to worry about.

@kirk_7632

3 жыл бұрын

re industrial capacity; i haven't played halo or gone into its lore, but any nation capable of fielding a space navy can afford to equip its ships with some 300-1000 men and their equipement in such situations. all of those marines and their equipement probably add up to less than or about equal to the cost of one of its ships.

@the_corvid97

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine if the US Navy and Marine Corps had the UEGs industrial output, they would probably throw around equipment like the UNSC does.

@nicholaswalsh4462

3 жыл бұрын

Actually it was common up until only a few years ago for any US Navy warship of cruiser or larger had a platoon sized Marine Detachment.

@dylanbritt6303

3 жыл бұрын

Also don't forget that the Autumn was loaded for red flag in fall of reach or by the the game halo: Reach was one of the last evac ships off world so the extra everything is accountable given correct context and by that context the load out of the Autumn was not standardized and therefor a bad example.

"You can make it as big as you want" *Thrust to weight ratio has entered the chat*

@zpascual6869

3 жыл бұрын

Does that even matter in space with little to no gravity or water/air resistance

@elmateo77

3 жыл бұрын

@@zpascual6869 Absolutely. No gravity and resistance just means that if you don't apply any force you'll keep moving at the same speed in the same direction forever. If your ship has so much mass it takes your engine 3 days to accelerate it to 1 m/s you're not going to be getting anywhere in a hurry.

@nguyenbagiap7433

3 жыл бұрын

@@zpascual6869 If physic of mass doesn't apply, anyone would just build a fleet consist of titans.

@TheCaptainTrout

3 жыл бұрын

As an Engineer: *Square Cube Law has entered the Chat*

@zpascual6869

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the answers, was genuinely curious

Something I feel compelled to add in defense of the Pillar of Autumn is that it was actually being loaded up as a long range strike cruiser to capture a covenant Prophet at the time Reach was attacked, then pressed into service as an evacuation ship at the last minute.

22:28 You do have to take into account that many of those troops and vehicles were probably random ground troops that hitched a ride with the ship to escape Reach.

"In space combat, tanks wouldn't be useful" **remembers that one time in star wars where they put at-te's on asteroids to ambush droid ships from below**

@awolpyro6400

3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the exact same thing when that came up.

@mattmanhero2375

3 жыл бұрын

The natural spin on all (99% of) astroids + the tanks recoil increasing that spin would make that impossible irl. Tho it was cool to watch

@bluelionsage99

3 жыл бұрын

Well, if you have BattleMechs (or Gundams, etc if from Asia rather than the US with your sci fi) then just like the at-tes you can station your mechs on the skin of your ship.

@awolpyro6400

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattmanhero2375 aah I didn't think of that, but what about lasers? I know we don't have actual laser guns, we have some degree of one's built but nothing like star wars. I'm not sure on the specifics but doesn't a laser when shot only go one true direction? Instead of a bullet where you have to calculate the shot, like speed and trajectory? Or am I just stupid and over thinking right now lol.

@d3str0i3r

3 жыл бұрын

@@awolpyro6400 lasers are a good point, a friend's math says that even a laser the size of the death star's would only have about the recoil of a handgun

This is perfect for all the Space Engineers ships I'm never gonna finish

@Hades_Space_Engineer

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe try avorion. It has similar ship building qualities and most importantly. You can USE your Ships.

@PraetorPaktu

3 жыл бұрын

lol true

@matthewclark7885

3 жыл бұрын

You too? Lol, I have 2 creative works in progress, but I just can not get the stern, mostly around the engines, to look how I want it

@ZoeySolarity

3 жыл бұрын

honestly, yeah it is and that's why i watched it personally.

@CMTechnica

3 жыл бұрын

@@matthewclark7885 I spent so long in that area I called it a day and with with the Spirit bomber design. Sharp angles and black metal. Sure, the drives are exposed, but I use a speed mod so good luck shooting em out

Personally I really loved the ship names the High Guard Fleet in Andromeda. The Andromeda Ascendant, Salient Debate, Pax Magellanic and The Fires of Orion just to name a few from the one class.

@GuardianSage

Жыл бұрын

That is a good show.

I think Mothership from Homeworld is actually a sensible example of Titan ship, that has somewhat good reason for being close to the frontlines.

I'm surprised you haven't mentioned the Ork navy. I mean they have wonderfun names like Rok. And also Big Rok. Also who can forget the Mega Rok.

@colinsanders9397

3 жыл бұрын

I love Warhammer. Too bad GW is getting political. Also, they changed the Imperial Guard to the Astra Militarum because they couldn't Copyright "Imperial Guard."

@andrewhughes7181

2 жыл бұрын

Copyright isn’t political, and I don’t blame them for changing the names in their most valuable IP.

@GasMan1918

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewhughes7181 what about the elimination of Warhammer KZread content and what could be called free advertising? I'm talking about animators, not lorehammer etc. And I'm not talking about politics. GW has gotten excessively corporate.

@HalIOfFamer

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewhughes7181 true, they are not getting political, they always were, now they are getting stupid greedy. They are killing thier fanbase.

@Meshakhad

2 жыл бұрын

Do they have a ship called the ‘Ard Rock? Maybe with a cafe on board?

interstellar example: Yamato Martime example: Yamato

@tigara1290

3 жыл бұрын

That's what happens when you let the japanese gloat over and make anime about their "WW2 glory"

@pompiliosouto2480

3 жыл бұрын

@@tigara1290 I wouldn't call it gloating, more like reminiscing and trying to "make up" for their failures. I mean, it's no coincidence that "Operation M2" is used so much in anime for pivotal battles usually won by the "good guys". It's the name they gave to the Battle of Midway, which was... quite the smackdown for them, to put it lightly.

@user-do5zk6jh1k

3 жыл бұрын

It's not even a good example for a space battleship. It's one of the most agile scifi warship he brought up. It's just an all-around overpowered vessel.

@cupojoe9462

3 жыл бұрын

"An example would be the Yamato" "As space ship or sea ship?" "Yes"

@ThePCguy17

3 жыл бұрын

@@tigara1290 Did you not watch the show? It was pretty much all about how you have to be careful about propaganda and warmongering tendencies from your government, a blatant object lesson based on the memories of the second world war. Sure, the Yamato itself is stupidly powerful compared to its contemporaries, but the crew of the ship deal with some pretty major moral quandaries over the course of the show, some of which even paint humanity (who for all intents and purposes are entirely Japanese because it's a show from Japan) as pretty shady individuals with little to no honor. And one thing the show is careful to _never_ do is gloat about 'the glory of war.' War is hell, and SBS Yamato is all about convincing you of that.

Note: the resurgent class SD can out run a tie fighter, its slowness just something about the sometimes and sometimes not outrageous thing called "plot armor". And for the plot to move forward. Though that speed is offset by its low maneuverability

@FormerBunsenBurner

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, yeah, but I don't think they ever referenced that in a movie or show, so that specification will probably be retconned when someone remembers it exists in the first place.

The Imperial Japanese Navy had some pretty great naming conventions too. Their aircraft carriers were named after mythological creatures, their battleships were named after regions of Japan, their battlecruisers and later, many heavy cruisers were named after mountains, their cruisers were named after rivers and their destroyers typically followed, with exceptions, the patterns of an adjective followed by the word "wind" (kaze) or "moon" (zuki). Examples include Yukikaze (snowy wind) and Akizuki (autumn moon). As for Royal Navy, naming conventions, pretty much anything goes and patterns only emerge on a class-by-class basis.

By far and away I like that the Culture ships name them selves: "Irregular Apocalypse" "So Much For Subtlety" "Ultimate Ship The Second" "Attitude Adjuster" "Grey Area"

@DarthLenaPlant

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, I love the "Grey Area", and also its big sister, "Massive Grey Area" XDD

@Smo1k

3 жыл бұрын

Plus (of course!) the "Of Course I Still Love You" and "Just Read the Instructions". ...but my favourite name is the "Falling Outside the Normal Moral Constraints". Coming from a Culture vessel, *that* sounds a little bit intimidating ;)

@hellacoorinna9995

3 жыл бұрын

GSV _"No More Mr Nice Guy "_

@hellacoorinna9995

3 жыл бұрын

GCU _"Funny, It Worked Last Time... "_

@UnrepentantWolf

3 жыл бұрын

I often go with the "Don't make me come over there"

*Dreadnaught:* Mass Effect: Fleet anchor and powerful ship to duke it out. Star Wars: Fleet anchor and powerful ship to duke it out. Warhammer 40K: Suit of power armour...

@weldonwin

3 жыл бұрын

Not a suit of armor, Dreadnoughts are basically cyborgs, since the 'pilot' is permanently surgically implanted into them

@McCheese-xc9ig

3 жыл бұрын

@@weldonwin He could be talking about Tactical Dreadnought Armor, AKA Terminator armor.

@Sid-bd5pt

3 жыл бұрын

Actually in star wars most powerful ships are destroyer

@fadelsukoco3092

3 жыл бұрын

Siddhant Yelve Except that Star Destroyers are not actually destroyers, they are their own proper ship classification.

@weldonwin

3 жыл бұрын

@@fadelsukoco3092 In universe, Star Destroyer is more like a corporate brand, something the marketing division at Kuat Drive Yards came up with in order to make their line of big battleships sound cool. Likewise in Babylon 5, Earthforce's mainline battleship is called a Destroyer and its cruisers are much smaller vessels, because the writers thought that Destroyer sounded more badass.

I would suggest the Bismark and Tirpitz were the equivalent of a Titan-ship. Way to big and ressource intensive, to make much sense. So a titan ship probably would be more of a prestige object, than a true military asset.

I've watched this all the way through several times now as I began assembling the interstellar navy in my fanfic based on Stargate. It has been really helpful, even if I accidentally made most of the variation in classification completely redundant with an invention the group made quite early on. Yet I continue to come back to it because it's just so informative and helpful.

"A good Navy is not a provocation to war. It is the surest guarantee of peace." -Teddy Roosevelt

@yanivgalmor1747

3 жыл бұрын

“Speak softly and carry a big stick”

@d.b.4671

3 жыл бұрын

@Michael Denison - In Roosevelt's time, it was probably spelled more commonly with a 'y'. The English language is finicky like that. But in terms of present-day English, you are correct.

@savyskunk6683

3 жыл бұрын

The u.s has been to war ever since and never been in peace

@savyskunk6683

3 жыл бұрын

He saying we're lying we want war in modern times

@aiosquadron

3 жыл бұрын

@@yanivgalmor1747 A photon torpedo is sure big enough. (pa-peww)

continuing on the point of frigates, the US navy once fielded an "Ice Cream Frigate" to the Pacific theater of WW2, the only thing it did was produce and store ice cream for US servicemen during the fight against the Empire of Japan.

@zidniafifamani2378

2 жыл бұрын

"Chocolate, Vanilla, Strawberry...so much snacks, so little times"

@trplankowner3323

2 жыл бұрын

That ice cream was a reward and used as much sought after barter item during the Pacific War. It was tradition that if a submarine rescued a crashed pilot, that pilot's ship would owe the sub a 5 gallon tub of ice cream. I'm not saying that during 1944 USN subs raced around not unlike Sponge Bob with his jellyfishing net, but if someone turned up a photo or film footage of such a thing, I most certainly would not be surprised.

@zidniafifamani2378

2 жыл бұрын

@@trplankowner3323 ...Goddammit, now I can't shake that imagination out of my mind.

@trplankowner3323

Жыл бұрын

Except that the USN didn't have frigates in WW2.

@mikedangerdoes

Жыл бұрын

"How did we win the war, Grandpa?" "Well, my child, the USS Frosty Time was our secret weapon"

21:17 it built our world's equivelant of the death star, very powerfull and effective If it could sail in the first place.

This sort of incredibly specific categorization is my jaaaaaaam! I loved this video. I never knew about ship naming conventions, and I love how you ended it on a wistful, emotional touch. Thank you!

10:30 To be fair, given that we know for a fact that the Galactic Empire has no qualms about blowing up a planet with billions of civilians on it, arming the medical frigate may have been a "The Imperials are going to be shooting at it regardless, may as well let them shoot back" decision by the Alliance.

@daefaron

3 жыл бұрын

Also being fair, it's much more of a "we stole a frigate and then converted all the spare rooms to medical bays" instead of "we built this ship as a medical ship and then armed it." Every Nebulon b frigate was stolen after all, at least for the first chunk of their use. Iirc in EU there was an Imperial Admiral who complained about how the ship class was Imperial built and paid for, but the rebels stole and used so many it became viewed purely as a rebel ship lol.

@dakat5131

3 жыл бұрын

@@daefaron indeed- especially if it's a "every effort must be made to stop the threat" battle, they couldn't afford to leave the ships off the battlefield simply for optics. I was under the impression that the Rebel Alliance didn't build too many, if any of their own ships but there's a point or few points in the video that assume the rebels are a conventional force comparable to the empire with shipyards and everything. (Maybe in legends they do, idk)

@screamingcactus1753

2 жыл бұрын

@@dakat5131 Pretty much all of the ships the Rebels had early in the war were either stolen or donated by sympathetic third parties. By the time of Return of the Jedi, they've started building their own ships. The MC series are a good example. They were built on Mon Cala, who had fully and openly joined the Rebellion by the time you see them. Interestingly, Mon Cala ships are literally flying cities. Mon Cala is a water world, and the Mon Calamari live on the ocean floor in what are essentially fortresses with extremely thick armor and powerful shields to keep both the extreme water pressure and the world's predators at bey. When they started building ships, they would haul these underwater cities into orbit before retrofitting them with engines and guns.

@JonatasAdoM

2 жыл бұрын

"It's a combat medical ship!" Which in hindsight wasn't a bad idea, considering the rebels sent even transport ships to the Battle of Endor. That fleet was basically a moving military camp.

@Vote4Drizzt

2 жыл бұрын

There's also little evidence the Empire felt especially bound by any rules of engagement. The senate was dissolved, the Emperor had sole power and a Death Start under construction. We don't have reason to believe a Rebel Alliance hospital ship would be spared in any case, nor that the rebellion could do without the firepower.

One thing that probably should be mentioned is that, no matter how appealing it may be, to never name any vessel after either your country or the current leadership of it. This is largely a morale-level consideration, as losing a ship named after either of these things could be interpreted as bad omens for the nation's war effort. Another thing to add is to never be tricked into naming your ships names that would give anyone a headache trying to pronounce it in the middle of a heated battle. Worst example is probably the flagship "Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli" from Legend of the Galactic Heroes, which while being in line with naming convention of the factions involved, has exactly zero consideration to practical applications.

@UGNAvalon

3 жыл бұрын

Oh great, now you have me imagining a Nightmare-class battleship, a Sparkle-class command ship, a Dash-class corvette/FAC, and a Pi(e)-class experimental ship... 😂

@josephahner3031

3 жыл бұрын

I get the feeling that the actual effect on home front morale in history is greatly exaggerated in historical narratives. HMS Hood's sinking in WW2 was not a death blow to British morale anymore than the Blitz was and while the initial shock of losing a ship hyped by the Navy and media was headline news they quickly learned not to hype individual ships or other weapon systems in Britain. The US on the other hand is doing that with the Abrams tank. Many soldiers and civilians both inside and outside the Armor branch think of the things as invulnerable except for infantry and scouts that think just because they can easily hit a tank in MILES training exercises with a laser pointer from cover that tanks are useless overall. MILES needs to be updated to account for time of flight of projectiles and likely effect on target because as it stands now it's just glorified laser tag. In a real war, it's not as simple as that. Real war is not laser tag. Nor will engagement with T-72B3s be as one sided as those in the Gulf War against Iraqi T-72Ms. In a peer/near peer conflict Abrams will take casualties. Will this shatter the American view that they can win any war against anyone? Maybe, maybe not. More likely it will result in war becoming less popular among voters overall as the lethality of modern war comes home to the public in the long run like in postwar Britain.

@gilbertosantos2806

3 жыл бұрын

Speaking of LOGH, i personally liked some of the ship names from the respective factions. The Empire naming their ships after German things, like the "Nurnburg" or "Barbarossa", and the FPA having more sci-fi ish names like "Hyperion" & "Achilles" for their ships.

@Asdayasman

3 жыл бұрын

The USS Theodore Roosevelt would like a word.

@rolandli4459

3 жыл бұрын

@@Asdayasman Given that there has been no major vessel (or any, for that matter) named after Teddy Roosevelt during his tenure as president, so I find such concerns superfluous. So, unless Mr. Theodore Roosevelt suddenly rose up from the dead and somehow becomes the president of the US again, we won't have much issue on that front. (What I meant in the original comment, is that naming ships after your "current" leadership, especially during war time, is questionable due to morale concerns.) Naming vessels after past leadership, especially ones that had significant roles in creating your modern fleet, on the other hand, is perfectly appropriate in my opinion.

With regards to the blurring of definition between Frigate and Destroyer, there is an oft-overlooked and very sensible reason for this: The class of "Destroyer" is a diminutive version of the *actual* title, "Torpedo Boat Destroyer"; this class was created and designed with the express purpose of tackling the small, fast and cheap, Battleship-threatening Torpedo Boats around the First World War. Frigate was simply carried over from the Age of Sail, and even back then was sort of not used very much, except as something not really intended to destroy Torpedo Boats, but was otherwise not dissimilar to a TBD. Eventually, the TBD designation was simply shortened to "Destroyer" as Torpedo Boats fell out of common use as their small size limited their available machinery room and they could no longer keep good pace with capital ships, as fire control systems for anti-Torpedo Boat guns on said ships advanced to encompass something a bit more effective than the Mk. I Eyeball. It did not help matters that TBDs were just as well if not more suited to equipping anti-capital ship torpedoes, and in greater numbers, and at equal or greater speeds due to their larger machinery spaces for engines. Personally, I consider anything constructed as a warship, to about the specifications of what would otherwise be called a "Destroyer" but equipped instead for a specialized, non-direct combat role such as minesweeping (But not anti-submarine warfare) to be a frigate, as a differentiator; else, a Destroyer not designed to venture overseas could be called one, although it would be preferable to simply call it a damned coastal destroyer. (Whereby the only time a 'frigate' is called a frigate, when it is armed for escort and direct combat duties, is when the constructing polity cannot afford to make a fleet of destroyers, and has to go cheaper, but not so cheap as to collapse into the much more distinct corvette class.) (The irony being in my own worldbuilding, frigates basically do not exist as anything that would be between a corvette (which would more likely be simply called a patrol ship here) and a destroyer would be a small ship dedicated for atmospheric, ground attack functions, and even these are rare as the smaller hulls are less suited to fighting gravity as a cruiser's greater surface area for mounting additional engines and still more weaponry would be. But this is also a universe where the overwhelmingly advanced polity's "Battle Carrier Vehicle" is internally described as a light cruiser, standing at over nine kilometers long, which would qualify as a supership in any lesser polity's arsenal, so take that with a grain of salt)

@krispalermo8133

2 жыл бұрын

WotC 3.5e Star Wars RPG " Starships of the Galaxy," campaign note stated it was best to keep Rebel ships for PC to 100meters to speed up game play and keep action drama high. Due to over a month of debate and ship design, my shop limited the ship to 100 to 150 meters with a cargo of 15,000 tons. That way you could stretch a 100 meter long Star Trek constitution class Enterprise to 140meter nice and sleek ship with weapon emplacements equal to a stander 100 meter ship. In play as a dice game by the rules, the mini Enterprise could have two heavy missile launchers, a couple of quad blaster cannons like the Falcon and two long range light repeating cannons. On a lucky dice roll with the heavy concussion missiles, the little ship could take a star destroyer out within the first round of combat. We really trick out cargo ships into troop transports, or carry four Xwings or eight T/E fighters. Besides if you want an armored missile rack that holds 16 missiles and an auto control defense turret anti missile/ fighter double light cannon, just look at the area mass/ weight for an imperial T/E bomber.

@TheRezro

2 жыл бұрын

"Eventually, the TBD designation was simply shortened to "Destroyer" Actually that is misconception. Torpedo Boat Destroyer (actually Torpedo Gunboat) and Modern Destroyers are separate classes. It was pure coincidence that first Destroyer was Spanish ship named Destructor (Destroyer). Development of both overlapped to point that people confuse them. But Destroyers always were meant to be larger more general escort ships, not just Boat hunters. I personally define them as combat focus Frigates (what typically are multi-purpose).

This episode has helped me greatly when it comes to building and naming fleets and ships in Stellaris.

The UNC’s doctrine of having marines on board makes a little sense when you consider that the Covenant liked to perform boarding actions.

@thecoolerrats7144

3 жыл бұрын

Granted most of their navy predates the covenant war, but before the point of their navy was power projection and subduing rebelling colonies, in which case I feel like it still makes sense to have marine compliments aboard for ground action.

@colscottoneill

3 жыл бұрын

We also have to remember that the Pillar of Autumn was evacuating equipment and personnel from a besieged planet and most did not know that the Halo was the indented destination as it was supposed to be a random jump.

@themastermason1

3 жыл бұрын

Number of personal kills is one of the major factors in Sangheili promotion in the Covenant.

@SpaceNerd117

3 жыл бұрын

@@colscottoneill It had also just been stocked up for a mission to capture a Prophet.

@LostMaster100

3 жыл бұрын

@@SpaceNerd117 the problem is , why the hell has this ship so much space to even host a half army. It suppose to be a cruiser not a transporter.

Some of my favorite naming conventions are: Predatory Birds (Eagle, Hawk, Falcon, etc.), Shark types (Mako, Hammerhead, Thresher, etc), Sword types (Sabre, Scimitar, Katana, etc.), Snake Types (Cobra, Adder, Python), Stormy names (Thunder, Lightning, Hurricane, etc.), and Gods from Ancient Mythology (Zeus, Anubis, Odin, etc.), and then for my biggest ships, the pride of Earths Fleets are named after one of the 7 seas of Earth, starting with The Atlantic and The Pacific.

@ashraarrafi5810

3 жыл бұрын

But in my scifi universe each ship class named after predator. Such as orca battle cruiser, megalodon super carier. White shark destroyer. Velociraptor frigate and so on. While the ship name taken from earth geographical feature and reflect the nationality of its captain and most of it crews according to their location in which country. For example. Solar Republic Ship (SRS) Rhein captain and most of its crews are german. SRS Merapi captain is indonesian and so most of its crew aswell. This is due to the captain right to name the ship himself. And a better feeling to work with a man with the same custom, work ethics, etc as you already understand the customs of a captain's country if you are from that country aswell.

@TheE_G_G

3 жыл бұрын

Ibis is also a good name.

@byshuma3496

3 жыл бұрын

In my Sci-Fi Universe, one of The Faction’s Flagship that started construction in 3987 and Ended Construction 4029. And its called The Morning Star due to its infamous weapon known as ‘Clarity Control’. And its designed to be an Solar System Defence Leviathan Class Citadel

@PaiSAMSEN

3 жыл бұрын

In my scifi verse, one of the faction named their sub-capital ship after stars, and capital ships after constellations. Another factions named their sub-capital after adjective, and capital ships after mythological figure.

@augustday9483

3 жыл бұрын

Mythological beasts work great for fighter craft. Phoenix, dragon, griffin, pegasus, minotaur, harpy, manticore, chimera, hydra, kraken, etc.

In Halo, a primary reason why almost every ship had a marine compliment was due to the Covanent's love of boarding craft.

Recently did a multiplayer match of stellaris with my brother who introduced me to the game, we both played hive mind (robot) civilisations, I called my first to battleship classes the warmind and the war hive classes, had a lot of fun building and controlling my fleets in that game, highly recommend but it is complex I will admit

First thought: Wow, nice idea for the video, gotta watch! Second thought: HOLY SHIT 40 MINUTES

@matthiasbecker5064

3 жыл бұрын

And i DO NOT think any single minute of that is wasted!

@aurnoradasati6896

3 жыл бұрын

wuh woh

@marrqi7wini54

3 жыл бұрын

Well time to get a drink and a snack.

@ThatJerseyBloke

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but it's a good and informative 40 minutes. (Hudson)

@ChargeUp_CampOut

3 жыл бұрын

Didn't even look at the time, I just saw the title and I was like "yes please!"

So I’m just going to disagree on exactly one point, that being the Marines / Army / whatever equivalent being stationed on ships, and that reason is ship security. Yeah, it’s true that most Navies also have a security or anti-boarding unit on each ship, but they’re usually specifically for that ship. A marine force, even just a squad or two, gives an unparalleled advantage in terms of both defensive action, offensive boarding, and it gives an excellent rapid reaction force in the event a ship goes down on a planet. They can be used as improvised police forces to supplement a space station they’re docked to, they can be used to EVA walk in order to check out derelict craft or small asteroid tunnels, etc etc. They’re not a Swiss Army knife that solves all problems, but they’re one of the tools on the Swiss Army knife, just as useful as all the others.

@keithsimonh

3 жыл бұрын

On any ship big enough, I always like to design for two dropships and a platoon of security forces as a rough minimum.

@allenson321

3 жыл бұрын

In his example of the UNSC he forgot that before the war with the covenant that the UNSC had to deal with rebels and that often entailed sending a force unto a planet or station. So by having marines on even the smallest of ships in the navy, they were useful. I can see how in the war with the covenant they would not be as useful however they still have to deal with rebels and having the capacity to drop ODST anywhere on the battlefield still gave then an edge in the war.

@codyraugh6599

3 жыл бұрын

@@allenson321 I'll be the voice of why the idea is bad, even for the UNSC, and why the Covenant ironically didn't use this very stupid idea. We're talking EVERY ship class, so your aircraft carrier now has turned space that fighters can be fit into into space for warthogs and tanks, vehicles that cannot operate effectively on over 70% of the earth's surface due to this things callwd oceans and then after that rough terrain. Likewise for smaller ships, not only are they not preferred targets for boarding actions, litterally just destroying them being far far simpler and more effective than boarding them, they don't have much space for vital details for things such as ammo and food storage at their designated ship classes, adding marines takes away from ammo or food and adds hungry mouths to feed on a ship most enemies will want to just destroy anyways....that takes marines away from the battlefront and takes away from Admirals and Generals being able to effectively plan for troop deployment on a scale that will make a real difference on a planetary scale, 20-80 dudes who have to hike 300+ kilometers aren't worth the effort, and to deploy the troops in sufficient numbers you've gone from one relatively small deployment area to landing ships across half a continent and/or dramatically lengthening the deployment time. When planning a planetary invasion you need air transports with fuel, the numbers to take and hold at least one city if not dozens, and then the armor and heavy weapons to hold said position or to break enemy armor. All things you're not fitting on a frigate, or a Cruiser serving a dedicated combat role. The Covenant even recognized this and had ships for the designated task of delivering troops, and they wrote off the very idea of ship security since they were a warrior culture so every member of the ship's crew also served as a marine, and it took special forces and authorial bias/a player on the other side of the controller for a Covenant ship to even be boarded successfully...not that the UNSC had much chance in that field since they were dumb enough to put troops on all their ships without a effective method of weaponizing those troops via boarding action, no boarding torpedoes, no designated boarding barge/transport, only a pelican which for a space boarding action is the opposite of a good design. Now if said Universe you live in follows Hollywood logic where all the badguys stop being a problem and just Phantom Menace themselves then yeah a ship with just 2 marines is going to be by far well and good enough to end a galaxy wide war, but following real world military logistics upscaled to at minimum WW2 standards thats just impractical and detrimental, and upsaling to world vs world conflicts it's infeasible to even try, unless your specifically using these marines as a offensive weapon firing them in boarding torpedoes and such, and NOT carrying tanks and land vehicles.

@yoloman3607

3 жыл бұрын

You don’t seem to understand the tactical situation makes it very obvious why every UNSC ship has a large marine contingent, instead of all fighters or bombers. If the UNSC loses the battle in space, they planet and everyone on it is effectively fucked. The war is also entirely defensive. There is no reason to build an additional specialized troop carrier if it can’t secure or assist in space battles. If every naval ship is also carries marines, they at least have a chance in a combined arms fight since their ship can fight back and can jump away when threatened. A dedicated transport would instead be even more vulnerable than a slightly less efficient warship and most likely be destroyed first. When the UNSC is barely able to stay afloat with their inferior tech base, it isn’t a stretch to see their captain sacrificing a pure troop transport to get away or gain an advantage just like their refit platforms. It also doesn’t hurt to mention how ineffective the outclassed marines are, so it is even more understandable that such little attention was given to giving UNSC marines obtaining their own dedicated transport ships. Fighters of the UNSC are also hopelessly outclassed and nearly useless in fleet battles. They simply lack the punch of a MAC or plasma cannon needed to punch through warship shields, so there is no need to have more than needed to destroy enemy recon pickets.

@codyraugh6599

3 жыл бұрын

@@yoloman3607 for the very reasons you listed there is NO reason to field GROUND forces on a ship of the line. What are they going to do shot their rifles out a airlock and suddenly stop the plasma torpedoes and energy lances that will destroy the ship? And notce it's a defensive war, the civilians are they evacuating onto the warships, who by virtue of being warships have to stay until the very end? Do the marines have to stick around pointlessly dying on ships where they per the books and games cannot do jack? Or does the UNSC navy suddenly have orders to run away at the first sign of Covenant leaving civilians to their fate? A dedicated troop transport ALWAYS opens more opportunities for combat ships than having to play a pointless duel role. The marines could have already been off workd with their supplies instead they died with captain dumbass who stayed too long to save civilians, or those civilians could have lived, maybe even hitched a ride with the marines, instead they all died because their only ticket off planet had a covvie armada behind it. Duel role ships like this only work in Star Trek where kogic and logistics are thrown out the window.

8:00 the dreaded laundry frigate...!

Shield tech would probably bring back the Battleship the reason for its lack of use these days is cause a plane can sink a Battleship NP and a carrier can field 100s at a time. If "planes" small craft cant get through large shields they would be much more valid

It'a hilarious that the Yamato is used as both the maritime example and the interstellar example. Gotta love crazy anime stories.

@Delgen1951

3 жыл бұрын

it is Also in the board game Star Fleet Battels as the USS Yamato Battleship of the Ferdation.

@absboodoo

3 жыл бұрын

@@Delgen1951 Always love the idea that there are quite a few famous non-USN oriented ship names in Starfleet.

@podemosurss8316

3 жыл бұрын

*Laughs in admiral Okita

@DiscothecaImperialis

3 жыл бұрын

15:20 In Leijiverse. the two ships are ONE and same. The spaceship iteration was the original designs by Leiji Matsumoto. the show itself however was once contested between him and his former employer, Yoshinobu Nishizaki. When asked. Leiji Matsumoto cited that the Space Yamato has a lenght of IJN Yamato + 30 meters of jet aft (still some 200 meters long). in 2199 remake the ship is 333 meters long

@ineednochannelyoutube5384

3 жыл бұрын

@@DiscothecaImperialis I mean in the show they literally use the hulk of the yamato to build the starship into, so yeah. Its the same ship.

I’m going to have to take exception to your arguments with regards to “medical frigates”, as there are clear precedents to the Rebel Alliance’s actions here on Earth right now. Take the British RFA Argus for example, an auxiliary vessel operated in support of the Royal Navy by the Royal Fleet Auxiliary. Originally acquired as an Aviation Training Ship, she has since been refitted to act as in effect a hospital ship. As she’s still armed with a couple of miniguns and 20mm Oerlikons, she doesn’t qualify for the legal protections of a hospital ship and is instead referred to as primary casualty receiving ship. I see the Nebulon-B medical frigate in a similar role, primarily equipped as a hospital ship, but still armed for self defence.

@TemplinInstitute

3 жыл бұрын

That's interesting and something I was unaware of. Thanks for pointing that out!

@moo4boy

3 жыл бұрын

The way I would do an armed "medical ship" is to only equip it with a few point defence batteries to shoot down incoming missiles. If some of those bullets hit the enemy you can just say "Oops"

@gnaskar

3 жыл бұрын

Also, the only reason we clearly mark our medical ships is that we have laws of war. The galactic empire is willing to blow up planets to make a point. Against such a foe, I'd feel safer knowing my hospital ships can do a fighting retreat if an imperial patrol happened upon the backwater system it was parked in.

@Marylandbrony

3 жыл бұрын

Is it weird that i read that in Mark Felton's voice?

@honestlordcommissarbrighte7921

3 жыл бұрын

We Mark Fealton folks gotta stick together fam.

Great video mate, I loved both your visual and non-visual comparisons of both interstellar and maritime navies. Also having some historical examples included was also amazing and really added that extra intrigue to the video. I hope to develop a figurative interstellar navy sometime very soon in the near future, with your video being my main source of inspiration for me to work with.

@TemplinInstitute

Жыл бұрын

glad you enjoyed it! thanks for the kind words

Watched all the way through and glad to say it confirmed research I had done building a space fleet for my own developing scifi years ago. But thank you for bringing it all together so concisely and for many extra tidbits including the naming conventions at the end and the 3 doctrines. That was all new and cool.

Marines have traditionally been placed on naval ships to defend those ships from enemy troops bordering. As well as to provide a small assault force for expeditionary or special operations

@user-bf2nb3tm8f

2 жыл бұрын

Space boarding would be awesome

@jedhaney3547

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-bf2nb3tm8f It's quite common in scifi...look up Warhammer 40k boarding torpedo...

@stevemartin4088

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely correct...most of the various deep water navies have carried marine contingents on their warships. Marines were used to maintain ship security, operations ashore and boarding actions, both as offensive and defensive forces. They were typically carried on ships that were rated 6 or above (small frigates to ships of the line.) In the context of the video, embarking marines on a ship should not be considered as embarking a ground force intended for extensive operations on a planet, or occupation of a planet. Such ships would be assault ships, which would have a more limited ship to ship capability, but may possess sufficient heavy weapons for planetary bombardment. These vessels, along with troop transports would require escort in order to survive in a battle area.

@ryane3703

2 жыл бұрын

A great sci-fi example of this is the MACOs aboard the Enterprise NX-01 during the conflict with the Xindi. A rare moment in Star Trek where military reasoning is used

@freedomloverusa3030

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-bf2nb3tm8f I have always waiting for a game where you develop a base, build your ship, and can fight ship to ship, or send your marines in tactical battles. Haven’t found anything like that yet, sadly.

Regarding dreadnoughts, while it's unlikely the type name could evolve in exactly the same manner as the historical term, there are other avenues by which it could come into usage. "Dreadnought" is just a fancy way of saying "fears nothing", after all. In a non-Earth setting, it's not outside the realm of possibility that a nation could choose to call their largest capital ship - something that literally has nothing to fear from any enemy vessel it might encounter - a dreadnought. In fact, this is sort of what you touched on in Politics & Ship Types.

@Dong_Harvey

2 жыл бұрын

Or the navy could respell it as 'Dreadnaut' and it becomes Fear Sailor.. Which can be confusing

@krispalermo8133

2 жыл бұрын

As I heard/ read years ago, .. Dreadnought is next generation cruisers. A frigate is last generation cruisers. Old wind & sail, frigate was anything light, fast, and cover in light cannons and anti-personal deck clearers. They were meant to collapse ship rigging and not sink the ship. . Cruisers carried heavy cannons to raid " burn "cities and sink other ships.

@ryuukeisscifiproductions1818

2 жыл бұрын

In my own setting I have designated dreadnoughts as ships that are the same tonnage as battleships, but are slower and often not quite as well armed in exchange for much heavier protection over a battleship, which generally balances firepower with protection and while not cruiser or battlecruiser fast, battleships still have a respectable speed. How they would have gotten the term dreadnought, i still haven't quite figured that out, but it is the closes term to describe such a ship.

@LumenFox777

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryuukeisscifiproductions1818 For reasoning you could simply base it off the meaning of the name "Fears nothing" that when naming/designing the ship they could have thought that nothing would be able to damage or pierce it and thus should fear nothing. Even if it isn't the case that ships still can damage/pierce it could have just been hopeful optimism that caused them to beleive that but the name stuck around because once everyone is calling something by a name it can be hard for people to change it expecially if it's just what the name of the ship is now.

@naomicoffman1315

2 жыл бұрын

​@@ryuukeisscifiproductions1818 Assuming this is a setting without Earth, I've always chalked it up to Tolkein logic - it's not *actually* called a dreadnought, because they're not *actually* speaking English. It's just a translation.

I like what you said about needing to avoid slapping too many labels onto a ship type to try to make it sound cooler or more specialized. I use terms like 'command' and 'tactical' in my setting, but not for those reasons. In my setting, major interstellar powers officially renounced the use of dedicated warships following a massively destructive conflict, but over the decades needed to maintain security using increasingly advanced and more heavily armed vessels. Terms like 'destroyer' and 'battlecruiser' were subsequently omitted in favor of more euphemistic, less overtly aggressive designations like 'frigate' and 'cruiser'. As a result (through politics like you also mentioned), fleets became jam-packed with ships that were officially classified as things like patrol corvettes, expedition frigates, escort frigates, heavy cruisers, command cruisers, assistance carriers and so on - specifically to avoid (however flimsily) classifications that implied a direct and dedicated combat role. Ships known as tactical cruisers were only recently introduced, the term basically unavoidable considering their blatant strategic role, and are of course currently viewed as highly controversial.

"Interstellar example: Yamato Class" "maritime example: Yamato Class" Well you're not wrong. But I really wish you hadn't done the we

@Charistoph

3 жыл бұрын

Especially when both were dreadnoughts...

@franciscoaraujo6624

3 жыл бұрын

wouldn’t the Yamato (not the IRL Yamato) be considered what he called a battlecarrier? Battleship and carrier hybrid

@Barri2410

3 жыл бұрын

@@franciscoaraujo6624 not really 'cuz the aircraft carried are quite low. Compare that to the _Apollo Norm,_ _Antares,_ and _Neu Balgrey_

@johnilarde8440

3 жыл бұрын

Upper Yamato: Useful Lower Yamato: Useless (Seriously, who the fuck construct a battleship but just parade it on the sea and not put it on most of the battles then have a bad idea to use it to halt carriers even though carrier planes can destroy battleships).

@Barri2410

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnilarde8440 _2199_ fix that by adding missiles (remember when _Yamato_ goes upside down on Pluto surface to destroy a reflection satellite? Those are the ventral missile launchers)

I feel like I need to help clarify what actually makes a "Dreadnought" battleship different from previous battleships. The H.M.S Dreadnought had three key design parameters: one be capable of cruising at least 20 knots for extended time periods, two possess a unified battery system, and three have armor belt resistant to shellfire equivalent to its own main gun battery. To put these points into more general terms a Dreadnought type ship needs to be slightly faster than its contemporaries and maintain that speed for long periods of time without damaging itself, have its weapons organized into batteries according to size and caliber so that they can be ranged in more efficiently, and finally its armor belt (the section of armor that is thickest and spans most of the length of the ship) has to be resistant or outright immune weapons equivalent to the ships own main battery (the biggest weapons on the ship). These parameters of what defines a "Dreadnought" made the dreadnought race inevitable. I hope this info is helpful for anyone crafting stories or just world building in general.

@MagiconIce

3 жыл бұрын

That also explains the name of the "Dreadnought"-Type, that this ship class doesn't fear anything, since it's armor belt was immune to every gun. But at some point it evolved into navies naming their Dreadnoughts "Battleships" and that stuck. Maybe, I don't know, the guns, in some designs (that never made it to reality like the Shikishima) reaching so large calibers, that you can't put that much armor on a ship so it can't be immune to enemy shells, thus it lost the name "Dreadnought" and just became a Battleship.

@MagiconIce

3 жыл бұрын

@Nathan Dundas Yeah but think about it, the HMS Dreadnought only had 305mm guns. It triggered an arms race, followingly designed battleships were designed to counter that with armor, thus the armament also increased etc. But Marc got a point in this video: On earth, because of gravity and buoyancy and stuff, you can only pack so much armor on a ship of certain size without causing it to sink. The (hypothetical) Shikishima project of the japanese was supposed to have 515mm guns. I'm not sure that you could put so much armor on a ship to make it immune vs this kind of guns, without causing the ship to drown because of the weight. Basically, only technology ended this particular arms race with the advent of aircraft carriers and later on Anti-Ship-Missiles.

@PaiSAMSEN

3 жыл бұрын

Even by interwar period, the idea of armoring your ship enough to protect against an increasingly powerful main batteries were becoming increasingly difficult, to the point American (relatively) modern battleships weren't even tried to have enough armor to protect against her own gun. Even if protecting critical area of the ship from main guns were possible, it's still possible to mission-kill a ship by shooting at combat-critical system located outside the area protected by the belt armor. Several battleships found this out the hard way. Japanese battleships Kongo and Hiei, in separated battles, were forced to withdraw from the battle after some ballsy destroyers managed to land a hit with an otherwise harmless gun at the right area.

@Mortlupo

3 жыл бұрын

And the Battleships were also faster.

@gokbay3057

3 жыл бұрын

@@MagiconIce no other battleship at the time the Dreadnought was built had guns bigger than 12inch (the ones Dreadnought had)

Space combat would be largely determined by sensors & guidance rather than firepower. It takes approximately 5 hours for light to travel from the sun to Pluto. If two ships were to engage on opposite ends of the solar system at the same distance as Pluto, assuming the sensor speed of a given ship is the speed of light, it would first take 10 hours to reach the other ship, then another 10 hours to relay that information back. Basically, that means that if two ships on opposite sides were to engage & not get any closer, each ship would know where the other was 20 hours ago. I reckon you can imagine how much of an advantage having even slightly more powerful sensors would be. If one ship has sensors that were only 5% stronger, that ship would have an entire hour to make decisions before the other ship would even receive the data.

Finally got around to watching this, and it was worth the wait! I am currently planning a SWRPG campaign set on the border of the Mid and Outer Rim regions. The sectors along this stretch of said border are valuable for resources they have, and for a pair of hyperspace rutes to the Outer Rim. Your presentation was informative & helpful, as i have been adding homebrew ships partly inspired by WWI & II ships, to supplement what the Empire has. I greatly enjoyed it! Thank you for making this!

The Pillar of Autumn is an outlier. It was purpose retrofit for Operation: Red Flag. It carried all that ground support for boarding and capturing a covenant vessel. In addition it was likely that when the spartan IIs landed on the covenant capital that a beach head might be needed or a discrattionary invasion to support the primary mission.

@spookypepper6900

Жыл бұрын

That's a good point, however it's not why in this instance it is an outlier. It always bothered my that the UNSC has Marines on every ship when it's clearly not needed as we see the UNSC Navy get pretty much slaughtered. However, the Pillar Of Autumn is an exception, not just because of the refit for Red Flag, but because it was a lifeboat. It wasn't loaded up like in CE just casually always even after the refit, it was stuffed with as much as it could carry before it got the fuck outta dodge for many obvious reasons. It's the only time I forgive the UNSC for carrying so much infantry and stuff they don't need to.

@bloodysimile4893

Жыл бұрын

@@spookypepper6900 unsc frigate seem more desgin to help in ground support role when need and protect the breach head. They may just have capable and not be carrying a small all the time but they able to switch role from warship to transport/ground support quickly so the main carrier does have to go around a planet. Amber clad was in the space battle but switch into support role for battle of new Mombasa. Forward unto Dawn was loaded with everything in preparing for everything on whatever is on the other as seen service role as seen in the Ark which is only thing the ship is capable of doing since Elites ships were onlys that stand actual chance in a fleet battle. Elites were free to fight the fleets while human fight the battle they are only capable of, on the ground. In reach they were seen given the role of artillery. See the Covenant covertte performed a support the ground and widen the battle instead of carrier going try to go everywhere. A warship like UNSC frigate were likely best chose to fight ship to ship and able close enough to deliver troops without risking too high a price. The lost would be bad, but it was a small ship, a small lost rather having the carrier being move into the range of the convent battlefleet. Since time is a major in a battle, like how fast the pelicans can be refit, fresh troop send, wounded receive, artillery support. Do you have pelicans possible fly around the world, to be likely interrupted by Covenant portal to reach the carrier or a small ship proketing to support and fight quickly?

@quindao4431

Жыл бұрын

wasnt the autumn used for evac after the events of reach that would explain the unneeded personel

@furimindusties5736

Жыл бұрын

@@bloodysimile4893 I understood what you said but, I do not intend to offend. Your grammar made me kinda laugh inside. Really good point though.

@furimindusties5736

Жыл бұрын

@@quindao4431 yee

So two possible advantages of having troops onboard your ship: If you’re in a low realism/naval themed universe you can use them as a boarding party. Also, If you have a lot unstable/rebellious colonies, a cruiser with a substantial troop capacity might be just the thing you need to keep order in your far flung frontiers.

@TheRezro

3 жыл бұрын

Agree on that.

@auggerautenrieth2317

3 жыл бұрын

Plus depending on the time of shielding or lack there of or after shields have been reduced I like the idea of having special troops whom are shot over to ships with no chance of getting anything faster than impulse power and they could either be boarding parties or just tearing through hulls and decks and finishing ships that way Or sending em over during a space battle to destroy, shields or engines and if they could feel or we told a ship was firing up their FTL drive or preparing to jump to hyperspace they could be kamikaze types and could detonate a nuke or few

@TheRezro

3 жыл бұрын

@@auggerautenrieth2317 You are aware that it would take you averagely a weak to close to target you shooting at? Impulse drive is fictional. And FTL bring tons of new problems, not to mention that any actually advanced ship would be a literal slaughterhouse. I don't have problem when setting actually establish good reason for boarding, but we talking here about kids who think that dreadnought is actual ship type, assault ships don't deliver ground forces and marines are on every ship.

@rooseveltbrentwood9654

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRezro I did specify a low realism setting. What he’s saying works in a Star Wars type setting where the ships take the nautical theme pretty far. Even as a kid I wondered why Star Wars had reciprocating energy weapons, but I still found the movies massively entertaining.

@TankHunter678

3 жыл бұрын

That is actually the reasons the USNC had marines on their ships. Before the Covenant War the UNSC had issues of colonies rebelling, havine marines with armor support on ships that could be cheaply made allowed them to quell numerous uprisings before they could spiral out of control. The Pillar of Autumn specifically was modified for a special mission to take control of an enemy Capital Ship in order to find out where the Covenant's Leadership was. The Marines were there to support the Spartans in this task, with armored units being provided because the most likely scenario where a Covenant Capital Ship could be captured would be a surprise attack while they were landed. Though they also had the option of specially modified Pelican dropships that would fly in while the Pillar of Autumn used its modified triple shot MAC to beat down the shields of the capital ship and the fighters providing cover against enemy fighters.

I'd love to see a video about outfitting your interstellar navy with complementary weapon systems. Are directed energy weapons the way to go, or would something akin to a railgun be better? Personally I think physical projectiles moving at insane velocities would be better for the most powerful weapons, like a tungsten rod propelled by a smaller version of whatever kind of FTL engine your civilization uses.

@thomaslafeuil

Жыл бұрын

depend on what you have on the other side... kinetic ammo can be deflected (magnetic field/Angled armor)/absorbed (jelly defense/micro-singularity (ie. Yuuzhan Vong)/kamikaze drones (ie. Tyranides)).

@Felix-sl2hw

9 ай бұрын

Try to diversify when possible, as different weapon types can fill different roles and help counter different vulnerabilities. For example, if you use laser weapons or some other thermal attack to melt/weaken an enemy hull, a shot from a railgun will have a much easier time passing through it afterwards. By the same token, some weapon types can be much more effective against fighters/drone swarms, while others specialize more against warships.

This is a very nice breakdown! My favorite ship is the Corvette. Small and nimble, yet can be specialized to pack a punch if needed. Well done on the video!

"Lines from poems and songs" *U.N.S.C My Name is Ozymandias* *U.N.S.C Throw a Chicken in the Air*

@roguetiefling

3 жыл бұрын

*U.N.S.C I Have Eaten The Plums*

@QuarkGamingLLC

3 жыл бұрын

U.N.S.C My Trouser Monster

@Marylandbrony

3 жыл бұрын

*U.N.S.C A Duck walked up to a lemonade stand*

@TheChivalricKnight

3 жыл бұрын

UNSC Pillar of Autumn

@fredlougee2807

3 жыл бұрын

UNSC Thiers Is But To Do And Die

Marines aren't useful in space: ADEPTUS ASTARTES WOULD LIKE A WORD WITH YOU.

@nathandavis435

3 жыл бұрын

I think Marines are (typicaly) most useful in space (on board a ship that isn't dedicated to their conveyance) as a ship boarding/security force. They can repel boarders, board ships themselves, and generally have that extra bit of "oomph" that a typical navy rating generally doesn't have. the Honorverse (love it or hate it) probably is the most accurate portrayal of this in science fiction I can find, along with our mighty Angels of Death.

@8vantor8

3 жыл бұрын

is this Heresy Brothers?^

@cupojoe9462

3 жыл бұрын

Brother Templin, you bring heinous dishonour upon the chapter and you shall face the Chapter Master for your heresy

@nahuelleandroarroyo

3 жыл бұрын

It depends on how easy is to board on the setting, or how reliable a ship inner defenses could be; you can crush invaders by luring them to pressurized compartments and the them venting them to the exterior, a similar thing could be made by justo blowing fuel (you burn them and then remove the O2) Self destruction is also an issue How easy is to board a ship?

@KhorneMarine

3 жыл бұрын

The Codex Astartes names this maneuver Steel Rain. We will descend upon the foe, we will overwhelm them ... we will leave none alive. Meanwhile, our ground forces will ensure the full defense of our headquarters.

This was oddly specific to something I'm working on, really appreciate the thorough introduction to this topic.

This has been hugely helpful with my writing, along with your tank video. Great work, and thank you!