im honestly watching ALL his videos, enjoying wine and crying in the good way of all this gorgeous stuff!

The sound from games was amazing.

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

So true!

Scenario with this PC: Visitor: "Can I borrow your computer?" Phil: "Sure" *A few minutes pass* Visitor: "I cant connect to the internet."

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

That's it :D

@internetranger4702

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for responding!

My memories of MS DOS gaming were being on the phone to Packard Bell for 2-4 hours editing autoexec batch files to enable EMS Extended memory so games would run. Ah the days before internet... was SO MUCH FUN :) lol

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Haha, good old days :)

@tyonorshapzc7tjfvb7-caz

7 жыл бұрын

PhilsComputerLab *dayz;)

@user-pi5xz5je4y

7 жыл бұрын

*config.sys

@Invertlooking

3 жыл бұрын

Probably spent half my youth editing config.sys and autoexec.bat files, good times! :p :D

This may be the the most tech geeky thing I've ever seen. I LOVE IT! I have my old Pentium 100 kickin' around. I may need to open it up and see if I can upgrade the ram and cpu to MMX.

Wow, I really love that machine. Great build Phild, thank you for sharing.

my high school rig in the 90s was a 48gdx 2 with a diamond stealth 64bit- I made payments to the shop for the parts for 6 months at the age of 16, great video it sure brought back a flood of wonderful memories for me.

I LOVE IT! This project is amazing in so many levels!

This is fantastic, Awesome video. I'm so happy to see this!

Man, I remember all those benchmarks from my dad's DOS folder. A lazy spring day, rays of sunlight lifting the dust in the room, reruns are on TV, dial-up is expensive, I'm bored, so let's run all the .EXEs and see what they do!

@davidfranklinv2860

4 жыл бұрын

This was so colorful. Felt like I was actually there in the room.

@tomyyoung2624

Жыл бұрын

yes ike, im confused, i logged in and the website isnt just yes working, is visually broken

Great work with the DOS startups and benches!

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Wow, Been years since I played with a 486 DX2 66, Sweet setup Phil. You rock!

Excellent film. One from my favourite. I adore 486, but DX4 100 is my special processor. It is my first processor in my first own PC.

The 486 66mhz is where it all began for me, it was a compaq desktop machine and had windows95, damn I loved that computer it was built like a tank. I also owned a Fujitsu ICL PCTV, that was a 486 too, had a built in television and ran windows 3.11 for workgroups, they were both excellent machines Phil.

Pretty cool build , good job Phil i used to play DOS games in a win 95 pentium pc when i little , your videos make me feel bad that i threw off all the pentium 4-3-2-1 486 pcs that we had around

Here in 2020! I still have at least one 80486 system. It is originally a VTech Laser system with an Intel 486SX 25 mhz cpu in a slimline desktop case, bought around 1992. However, a few years later, the integrated cpu was switched out to an Evergreen 586-133 cpu upgrade kit in the overdrive slot running at 100 mhz. The system also came WITHOUT any motherboard cache, so I added 128 kB of cache ram onboard, per the instructions on how to do it in the manual & it made the system a little bit faster overall. Also added a no-name sound card, faster video card, an additional harddrive, external cd-rom & increased system simm memory from original 4 mb to 48 mb (max). Also still has a tape backup that I put in there 25 years ago. Original O/S was Windows 3.1, then to 95 a few years later & then updated to 98SE only 10 years ago. I have a ram card that I might add in a free isa slot that would increase that to a total of 64 mb onboard, if I wished to do so later. How ironic that i said "later", because 64 mb of [slow] memory & the technology of the 486 is already passe & vintage by today's standards. I benchmarked the updated computer with Speedsys 4.78 back then almost a decade ago (about 5-6 years before you made this video). I will have to check what I got to compare it with yours above. And I hope everyone is safe & healthy during these uncertain times with the global pandemic.

1st time i see a Black 486 :)

@dallesamllhals9161

4 ай бұрын

Yeah they should be Yellow these days 😛

Love the old retro computers, I miss my old Vic 20, C64 and A500. I got an old Dell Poweredge 2400 (Dual P3 733MHz) I'm thinking of turning into some kind of retro computer.

Old skool is awesome. Fantastic video.

Thanks forr the tip about the ribbon cables, I didn't know that before!

that's not a sleeper, it's a reverse-sleeper!

@user-pi5xz5je4y

7 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing.

@64bit72

6 жыл бұрын

Darth Howl that's a ricer

@theothergtgeek9407

6 жыл бұрын

That's what you call a ricer

@Caleb-fv5fp

2 жыл бұрын

But the case looks like a lame school pc and it’s actually an awesome retro pc

@JohnSmith-xq1pz

Жыл бұрын

I wonder which apply to my "all in one" Retro gaming pc 🤔 Ryzen 3 1300x built in a Antec Sonata II case Host OS win 7 with emulators for XP,98se, and DosBox for Dos and win3x games. It's using the onboard sound but I hope to find a XP era creative labs card with good software/hardware backwards compatibility (I'd even take a Audigy SE like the one in another machine if I had to)

You should use the cases power button as the reset switch since your not using it.

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, good idea!

@LBXComputers

7 жыл бұрын

Annabella Williams was going to say the same thing :)

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

***** Nice. I wish I got another one when this one was available.

@KennethScharf

7 жыл бұрын

That won't work. The ATX supply needs a SPST type switch, but the case button is a momentary push button which is compatible with the ATX motherboard's power circuitry (The mother board latches the signal).

@techmon88

7 жыл бұрын

OP said reset button which is a momentary button, not for switching power.

Considering the number of builds Phil did with the SB 64 Awe Gold, no wonder you virtually cannot find it anymore. The whole stock is in Australia! :)

Nice build

super cool just to watch you play these games

I really love stuff like this

another excelent video! thank you for this

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks

One word: AMAZING!!!

again another beautiful video.

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks :)

Nice, I used to have that exact motherboard!

I like how that Awun case became a Gigabyte one. Joking aside, I really love that power button and turbo button you rigged there.

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Ha, thanks :)

Loving those switches for power and turbo

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks :D

had one of these. still my favorite memories are the 286DX2. that's where I first saw Doom, and played Doom online multi-player and saw another gamer in a different remote location on my screen walking around. was extremely profound. was a very powerful PC.

@Up8Y

7 жыл бұрын

Joelbell As far as I'm aware, there never was a 286DX2. But hey, I'm sure someone could get doom to start up on a 286 somehow.

@Audfile

7 жыл бұрын

Up8Y I'm sorry, 286SX, and yes it ran flawlessly. I was there, I didn't learn it from Wikipedia and KZread lmao. 286 was the mainstay for many years and was a minimum spec for games even when Pentium came out.

@Up8Y

7 жыл бұрын

Audfile If it was a 386 instead, that would make sense- the 286 is a 16 bit CPU, and Doom itself takes advantage of DOS/4GW to be able to use 32 bit code making it impossible for Doom to even start on anything below a 386. Of course, somebody could take the source code and port it to entirely 16 bit code. It doesn't take being there to understand well-documented hardware requirements and the technical details of that.

@Audfile

7 жыл бұрын

Up8Y blah blah blah blah blah. that's what I read.

Hint: Connect the +5V and GND wires of the case's front USB connectors to +5V and GND of the power supply. That way you can use them to e.g. charge your phone. Also quite a lot of SB compatible cards, e.g with ESS chip, have pin headers for speaker and microphone. If your case has individual connectors for each wire, you could plug them there and put the front audio connectors to use! Also, although a 500W power supply may sound overkill, every modern PC draws power mostly via the 12V lines. On an old AT-style motherboard nearly everything uses the 5V rail. And on most modern ATX power supplies, the 5V rail is extremely weak. You really have to check the values noted on the sticker.

You need an old school CRT for that rig.

@mattd5719

5 жыл бұрын

That would defeat the "sleeper" aspect though.

@mattd5719

4 жыл бұрын

@JOHN LEWIS It would be a red flag to me that something is going down lol as in something is out of place. But to truly appreciate the dos gaming a crt is mostly the best case actually.

@JasperJanssen

4 жыл бұрын

Let’s not go overboard.

I'd look for the AMD 486-DX3 (100mhz). You could have marked where the missing holes should have been, drilled and tapped them, and then inserted the threaded standoffs in the right locations. For the atx shield you could take an old one, use a nibbling tool to remove all of the metal except for a small rim, and then solder a thin piece of brass to it, and drill that out for the one hole that you needed.

Nice build! I'll be producing some ATX-to-AT I/O shields soon and should be able to sell them for about $10 each. I can't find them anywhere and they're trivial to make.

I'm of the opinion that a retro pc should look retro. If you use old parts, use an old case. But it's still an awesome build, I would kill to get me some 386/486 parts to build a DOS machine for the older stuff! But because I live where I do, I'll probably never own one, unless I pay about what a brand new PC would cost :'(

Great vid as always PhilsComputerLab :) What ATX.-AT cables did you use? I have a couple different ones, but those that you used seems better in all ways :) I liked the way it uses the on-off switching a lot.

So Phil you know what I said about Ultima Underworld in that previous vid? Well you just went and done the same with System Shock. :D Seriously, great taste in games, sir. And a fun build video.

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Aww, that's awesome :)

I've got one of those aywun cases, but a USB 2.0 only version. Currently houses my old main PC hardware.

As you used the ghetto hard power switch, wouldn't it be possible to use the soft power switch on the case to act as a reset button? Edit: didn't read all the comments, someone already suggested it

Hahaaa, I still got this AWE64 Gold with drivers on original CD. I just built a couple days ago Windows XP machine based on Athlon64 only to use it with Yamaha SW1000XG Midi Synthesizer (PCI)

I love the floppy emulator and IDE/SD adapter to emulate a hard disk. Is there such a thing as a CD ROM emulator that, like the floppy emulator, can read flash memory and adapt to IDE, letting you choose which chunk of memory (perhaps an ISO file) to mount as a CD? Something with both an IDE and audio output (just like a regular CD drive) would be amazing for maintaining a library of game and boot discs.

Hello Phil, Thank you for the amazing and informative videos. :) Recently, I have inherited a 486 Motherboard along with a 486-DX4 CPU (the pins on the outer edge are bent but I will try to straighten them) plus some ISA cards... I am going to source a used ATX case and PSU from one of my friends... But... can you please tell us where can we find the ATX to AT convertor and the switches panel? I think my build will be only missing those!

0:30 Prvivateer ! I like this game!

#Nice job dude it's a brand modern DX2 66, you vive this rig a second life :)

The lack of a key on the old VLB controller is the reason I would have modded the card to remove the requisite pin. Desoldering? Heavens no, I'd just take a small flush cutter you'd have with your soldering station and very carefully snip the pin out. My Hakko snips were about US $7 and were made for cutting this kind of pin. I've often considered trying to get some switches in a drive bay to control jumper settings on these older machines where CPU speeds are set that way rather than via BIOS setting, all the better to have a faster machine that can be dialed back for e.g. Wing Commander. Haven't found a solution I like yet.

That adapter with the switches at 9:00, where did you get those and where can I buy one? I have a 486 motherboard but the case I found it in is both rusty as all ... you get my point and it's also missing the case cover so I'm thinking about moving it to an ATX case, hence my question.

i just got a intel an430tx socket 7 atx with a s3 virge dx bundle for only 74.99 dollars with free shipping. can't wait to make a retro pentium 1 dos build with it

Excellent video! What brand of CPU fan did you use? If you find out what model of Gigabyte case that is, please let us know.

I may have missed it, but I've looked in the comments, your site, and re-watched the video, what are you using to capture the output? I'd love to know! Thank you! :) Also love the videos!

For anyone wanting to attempt this, remember that having no cable keys means that if you plug the cable in the wrong way things will go BOOM. Specially regarding the motherboard power supply connector.

nice modern rig you have. what os inside it? Dos?

I was surprised to see the original style clock battery still on the motherboard, most retro enthusiasts I've seen replace it with a cr2032 socket

Aw man nice setup, also dat Roland is awesome. I'm stuck here with either AWE64 on a PIII that handles old DOS games rather badly, or P1 100mhz but thats a laptop with no sound card.

@ReGarage

6 жыл бұрын

which laptop is it?

Oh you have finally learned what a case is

@philscomputerlab

6 жыл бұрын

You still got to learn some manners boy.

It is not good to make HDD and CD-ROM master and slave, it will slow down the HDD. It is better to connect them to different cables

Nice work, as always. Which plastic standofs did you use? I'm looking quite a while for some, since the metal ones do cause trouble with my old boards.

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

M3 is the keyword. It's a thread standard. As for size, I got an assortment of different sized from eBay. It comes in a little plastic case, because I didn't know what size I will end up having to use :)

The "floppy molex" is called Berg connector :)

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Is that right? First time I heard that name, I think I'll stick with floppy power connector :)

@SilverGreen93

7 жыл бұрын

+PhilsComputerLab Yup, it's correct. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berg_connector

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

***** Well you taught me something today :)

@SilverGreen93

7 жыл бұрын

+PhilsComputerLab I'm glad I did. :D

@dizzym9554

7 жыл бұрын

I'd never heard of that name for it either and I've been working on computers for 20+ years. Thanks for the little tidbit of new knowledge :)

i love doom 1-2!

Great video! I always end up with "Don't forget to salt the fries." error when trying to run System Shock.

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

The GOG version has full ISO image. Just burn it and you get the proper installation CD.

how do you keep those cards so clean? they look like new.. even better than when they were new!

@ItaloRoad

6 жыл бұрын

Lol, IKR?! I was about to ask the same thing! I could use some tips to keep mines clean too.

After looking at this video again, I see you got the same issue as I on Doom. Awesomme build again. Though my experience with dx2's are that a dx2-80 is a tiny bit more suitable. Shure the 66 is a bit more sought after, though I feel the 80 is a tiny bit more useable. Doom runs butter smooth with an S3-805 and a dx2-80. Have you ever tried to set them up, side by side and see how real life experience is like? The 80 might just be a hidden gem here, and you will be surprised by it.

@philscomputerlab

6 жыл бұрын

Nah I like playing Doom on a Pentium 100 or thereabouts.

@brostenen

6 жыл бұрын

Shure it gives a bit more. I was only thinking in terms of those who really need a 486 to play with. To me, it is a sweetspot, for playing 1990 to 1993 games. Pentium is more a kind of 1994 to 1996 kind-a-thing.

What do you mean there is no reset switch? You are not using the case's momentary power switch so why not use that for reset? As for the AT IO plate, you can easily make one out of a bit of plastic cut out of an ice-cream tub lid, that is what I always do, I made a template and now can make them as needed. Just make it a bit larger than the hole (1 - 2cm on the top and sides) and double sided tape it to the inside of the case. Not critical but it tidies things up nicely. Great build :)

Hi there!! Top explantion! How do you connect computer speakers to the Sound Canvas?

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

The Sound Canvas has RCA ports at the back as well as a 3.5 mm headphone port at the front.

System Shock

Hi Phil, where did you get that drive bay adapter with the two switches? Or did you add those switches yourself?

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Yea I added them myself. It's a very simple mod :)

Nice PC :) Why the 486 DX2 66 is an iconic processor? I think that Pentium 60 is more epic ;)

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

It basically doubled the performance with a drop in chip. And it make 3D games mostly playable.

Hey Phil, could you possibly point me towards that mega drive tray adaptor w the power switches? I can’t seem to find them on eBay or amazon... much appreciated and I hope you’re safe from fires out there bruv :)

I have that same hard drive caddy in beige. do you have a part number or model number for the black one?

Awesome vid, quick note tho, instead of modifying an ATA66/100/133 cable you can just use an older UDMA/ATA33 cable. You're not going to get any benefit from the newer cable anyway when using an older IDE controller.

Great vidéo, as always ;). Too bad that you don't test Settlers2. I'm interested to see how it runs on a fast DX2. It's slow with mine...

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

I have no connection to that game I'm afraid :(

7:08 You can probably get a 3-D printed cover if you want

Is radiator and fan necessary? I am asking because I haven't one on my dx2 66

Beautiful case, clean parts just like from store. About Doom.. is it only me or 486 is hard to run it? As I remember dx2 66 was introduced in 1992. And doom in 93. Phil what about Pentium 133 with NV1 and Win95? Why you don't try win 3.11 on this 486?

I kind of want to buy blank IO plates in bulk and drill/file smooth them into AT Keyboard plug IO shields and throw them up on ebay for cheap. Not really sure how in demand they would be though.

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

5 years ago you could buy these shields cheap on eBay. I regret not getting them Haha

about that floppy emulator haha seriously so much clicking

bro I'm so jealous of all your hardware. Do you use a retro swap sub or do you find it all through eBay?

@armorgeddon

7 жыл бұрын

Sorry, but what a retro swap sub?

@toddrocks

7 жыл бұрын

Im talking about a subreddit.

@armorgeddon

7 жыл бұрын

Ah ok, thank you!

Any idea where to source that AT power and turbo 5.25 switch caddy?

Fox the Titus Prehistorik 2 Flashback Another World Prince of Persia 2 Alien Carnage Many titles I'd love to revisit on such PC

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

Great games!

Thank you very much for a very instructional and useful video. I would like to know the brand of the motherboard you installed. It would be very useful to know wehther one could find alternatives to this brand or not.

@philscomputerlab

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sure I mentioned it in the video 🙂

Is that a 4x3 LCD panel? I've been trying to find one of those... forever.

@philscomputerlab

5 жыл бұрын

Nah it's 5:4, the standard 1280x1024 monitors!

A modern PS2 keyboard!! XD

I think that P133 or P166 MMX (maybe with 3dfx) would be the best choice to play most of the DOS games. Wouldn't it be?

What is a good video card for DOS/NT351 PCI ?

This is pretty cool but you should do it again with a not-so overkill PSU, a case with two buttons (one for power and one for reset but reset will be used for turbo), put a cover for the motherboard if you ever find one or make your own (if you can), and enough room to put the floppy emulator in the floppy drive. Other than that, this was cool nonetheless.

The power/turbo switch and 5.25"-to-3.5" adapter combo -- where can I purchase one or did you make it?

@philscomputerlab

5 жыл бұрын

Yea just drill some holes and mount switches!

man what a nice case. It is very hard to find a 4 5.25 with 2 3.5 bays. F'n impossible to find one with even 2 3.5 bays today! Its a pain because I still use floppies, Zip 250, memory card reader (with bluetooth). I always use separate optical drives one for DVDRW and one for CDRW. I have never seen a CDRW with 8MB buffer and is IDE 133. now try to find a NEW IN BOX White Tower with 6 External drive bays! good luck with that. I have one, but the airflow is horrible, it only uses 80mm fans, 2x front, 2x rear. With my crossfire set up, I like to have a 120mm side fan. The case i am using, if they just used a different front bezel, it would do 2 3.5 external bay. now off to find some treaded plastic stand offs, didn't know they existed ;)

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Yes I regret not getting more of this one. Gigabyte made some really retro friendly cases for a while, now the drive bays are getting less and less. I mean in a modern PC, you just need a SSD these days, so I get that trend. Just sucks for us that want to build a fully decked out retro sleeper.

Is there a way to know which floppy is which number or did you just write it down?

@philscomputerlab

5 жыл бұрын

Yea I have a simple A4 sheet in a sleeve with the thumb drive.

Great video! Which SD adapter was the working one? Do you have an ebay link?

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

They are all generic LOL. The working one had a single floppy molex for power, the non working one had the big one and the floppy one :)

I've done some of the tests om my dx2 machine, my IBM aptiva w/o L2 cache with only isa bus and a cirrus logic GD-5426 3dbench: 38.4fps; chris's Bench : 25,3; doom : 1606 realtics Topbench:179 sysinfo: 125 Landmark: 315.4, 498.9, 10347.80 So my system isn't that bad for a pc w/o L2 cache. ^^ Also, good video, as always ^^

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Yup that is pretty good! L2 cache should be easy enough to upgrade, especially IBM stuff is well documented.

@NintenloupWolfFR

7 жыл бұрын

Well, there are no socket and there are missing chips, so I guess it won't have any XD

@NintenloupWolfFR

7 жыл бұрын

PhilsComputerLab And I forgot to say, but it's a LPX case

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

I see. Well it performs great as it is.

couldent you wire up the ATX power button as a reset button?

Was the reason the first SD -> IDE adapter was not working the fact that it didn't have a jumper for ensuring that it is set to "master"?

@64h29

7 жыл бұрын

The reason for it not working with the optical drive that is / as in it made the CDRom not work... very interested to know, so it might be a good idea to lookout for adapters that are both bootable and have the jumper setting option?

Awesome Video.... I wanted to ask you, will windows 3.11 work on a LCD display? (let's say a 15" native 1024 x 768 for example, or a 19" 4:3) Thanks, great videos!

@philscomputerlab

6 жыл бұрын

Monitor is a monitor, it shouldn't make any difference.

@duskomarincic

6 жыл бұрын

PhilsComputerLab I think that too, just don't exactly remember where I got that from

great machine, love it but I wouldnt say a sleeper one, just old hardware in a new case

@Kerring

7 жыл бұрын

reverse sleeper :D

Where can I get old dos game like Turrican 2? can't find on GOG. I would run in dos box because I don't have anything that old. Cool Build.

@frankbjrnsen9737

4 жыл бұрын

Here you go: www.myabandonware.com/game/turrican-ii-the-final-fight-11p

you could try 95 osr 2 to have fat32 and a proper DOS/windows installation. 98 will be too slow on 8mb of ram and 66mhz, but 95 should run fine. or... just make several 2gb fat16 partitions and run 6.22. in my opinion the best partition program for DOS is partition magic 8, it fits on a floppy and you can do everything with it, resize, create, delete, merge. it's a great tool.

@philscomputerlab

6 жыл бұрын

Pure DOS is the way to go for a DX2 66 IMO :D

Found a small program that will emulate CDrom drives in real DOS. Works really good. You can mount ISO files. Can make bat files to mount much faster. Only thing you would miss is if you have a game that uses CD Audio tracks.

@philscomputerlab

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, it seems there is no solution for BIN / CUE images :(

@larsenmats

7 жыл бұрын

PhilsComputerLab can BIN / CUE support the audio tracks aswell? And even if they did, the CD audio cable which brings the CD audio sound would cause no CD music to be played I guess. Btw, with Win98SE it I cannot seem to get a Soundblaster 16 PNP or SB 32 PNP ISA cards to work in real DOS without manually copying already installed SB16 and CTCM folders from a DOS 6.22 install, then manually add all the stuff in Autoexec.bat and Config.sys. Just adding lines without the DOS drivers does not seem to work in Win98SE Dos 7.1?

If you're not using the power button, you can use it for a reset switch.