I know I’m weird but I dig this. Made several 2x4 bodies. And made a guitar completely from pine, neck, neck, fretboard and all. Can’t wait to see how this one turns out.

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I don’t know Matt, Home Depot wood already has relief built in.

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😂🤣

IP Guitars made a 100% pine guitar 3 or 4 years back. Neck was laminated to try and use the different grain orientations to increase stability - plus a few other tricks all through the build to try and make it a playable guitar that would not warp into a banana under string tension. He did an update a little while back and it is still a playable guitar with no issues to speak of. So it can be done.

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Yes...so long as the 2x4 is quarter sawn maple. 😁

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Or Mahogany.

My first attempt at a neck was from a mahogany blank i got from a local store for basically nothing...by the time i routed the truss rod channel and prepped it for the fretboard glue up the neck was warped like a pretzel....from that day on i just bought wood that was air dried properly and from stores that specialise in that....never had a single issue ever again....for the body you can pretty much use anything and it ll work but for the neck get decent stable wood or else you enter some...mission impossible situations for...no real reason whatsoever......

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Really looking forward to part 2! I know how much work this video takes to produce and your time could have been spent other places, but it is appreciated. I’ve listened to your advice on stewmac tools vs cheap tools and the time saving I’ve had on using the right tool for the job has been worth the price of admission. Can’t buy them all, but picked up a few on the recent sale they had. Thanks for all your insights and knowledge!

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My last 2x4 body I made did well for the 1-2nd year but warped after that. It was a 3 piece body glue up of clear pine, I used a 2x6 for the middle section, altered the growth rings but still warped! The neck would benefit from some carbon fiber rods. Love this project! Love from NW Colorado. Thanxz

2x4s, or "two-by-fours", are a type of dimensional lumber, which is a wood product made from softwood trees. Softwoods include cedar, pine, spruce, and fir. In the United States, southern yellow pine (SYP) is the most common type of softwood used for dimensional lumber, while in Canada, spruce-pine-fir (SPF) is more common.

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If the SG sounds great when finished, everyone will think you are a true innovator. If not, everyone will agree it is a worthwhile exercise to build wood working skills. It is a win-win either way. Thanks for doing this project!

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i like it. i'm about to try my first build. i'm looking to do my best. but i'm happy to build something like this. it's a learning piece. if it works fantastic. if it doesn't... eh... next one will be better. and i'm learning a lot from you building this. what do i look for. you hate this. i'm learning why. so this is actually really useful. plus i think it looks cool. body has some nice grain.

Made a few bodies out of Douglas Fir and they work great! I have been planning to make a neck out of it too. Thanks for the vid!

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Great educational video. I was thinking about doing exactly this. Finding some cheap wood and start learning and messing around. Here in my country there's a big price gap between cheap wood and some decent guitar worth wood.

Your discomfort with the material and your reluctance to make this project happen is very entertaining and slightly compelling. Your inner monologue makes sense and I appreciate everything you are saying. Probably gonna try to duplicate this (sans pin router)

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Don't do it until we get this one strung up

Hey Matt, watched the live and just wanted to let you know I really enjoyed this video, looking forward to part 2 - Cheers from Canada

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Matt, Bill Kirchen "Hot Rod Lincoln" plays a Telecaster that was built out of "old NYC reclaimed pine" without a truss rod! There are a few old Stew Mac channel videos where they talk about it. I've built with pine, although I like maple for necks and fretboards with a pine body.

I built my first guitar with wood from Home Depot, but I used oak for a thru-neck and poplar for the body wings. I'm planning a build using 2x framing lumber, but it's just to check the ergos of a shape I drew up a while ago, plus it'll give me an opportunity to trial run the build process.

I wouldn't make a complete guitar from pine but I used woood reclaimed from a pine bookcase to make a guitar body a few years ago and it's still going strong. I've also laminated pine neck blanks to successfully practice neck carving and test out a new router.

I enjoyed the video! It was clear you don’t view 2x4 wood favorably throughout the video and have low expectations for the outcome. I build 2-string Chugger cigar box guitars and 2x4s have become my go to for bolt on necks: the price is right, the wood is light, it cuts and routes well, looks good stained, and is easy for me to process. Some knots add interest to the necks when they don’t compromise strength, and others become scrap wood. That’s the cool thing about cigar box guitars there is freedom to use whatever wood we want which is often whatever is on hand or readily available. We like to color outside the lines. I used to laminate yardsticks from Lowe’s and Home Depot until the price doubled in short order, so I got creative and tried 2x4 cut offs I had on hand. It’s fun to try different materials and approaches with an open mind to getting unique looking and sounding guitars. I hope the 2x4 guitar looks great and has it’s own unique tone!

It's fun to laminate strips of reclaimed wood or glue together end grain blocks etc. for a body. Personally I wouldn't want to go through the effort and expense for a pine neck.

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That's actually a nice headstock design!

Thanks Matt. I have plenty of wood working experience but before I made my first guitar neck, I made a test piece out of 2x4 scrap. I wouldn't say I learned a lot but it helped me sort out some of my templates.

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It is an interesting process to practice on the pine. Later you can get 1x4 maple at home depot. cut one of those up and laminate the blank to size.

Looking forward to part 2 🎸

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Taylor Guitars made a guitar out of a pallet. The first guitar I made used wood from Home Depot. I glued three 3/4”boards longways. I did that about 30 years ago and the neck is still in good shape. I agree that the prices of guitar-worthy wood aren’t all that high. You can find neck wood for less than $20 for. 1X3 board. Some companies offer second-grade lumber and have sales. StewMac’s prices tend to high, but they sell only high-quality stuff and have great service. I’ve bought wood from Hibdon Hardwood and have been satisfied.

I recently used a 2x4 to build a proof of concept, mounting some headless hardware, and working out dimensions. Strung up and tested with pickups taped in place. Turns out you _can_ build a bass with a 20" scale and regular steel strings. But I didn't bother to machine a neck or install frets, and I didn't expect it to be playable. Just wanted to test an idea quickly and cheaply. Given appropriate expectations, I think a 2x4 is completely reasonable in that case.

Im making a body right now out of pine 2x8's, using all handheld tools. Gonna buy a pre-made neck though,

Did a practice neck with a 2x4 when just starting, good idea. It sucked, but I learned.

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i will start with a practice run as well soon, before ruining the maple ;)

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I don't like ads. But I have made guitars out of pine. A couple out of 2X4s, LOL! Fender made a Tele out Pine neck and body. Stew Mac has a video on it. My first neck I eve made I made from oak I got from Home Depot. I would up using that neck on a cigar box guitar. The thing is still around. I never owned all the cool tools you have. I still make all my necks with a Spoke shave and a lot of sand paper. I do use a router to rout the truss rod channel. But everything else is shaped by hand. For me, its the part of guitar making I find the most relaxing. I understand you are making necks in a production since of things, so you can't afford to make them the way that I do. I tell people to buy some cheap woods like a 2X4 if you have no idea in how to start making necks. When I first started out, people had me so afraid to even try to make a neck. Heck, when I first started out, I didn't even know how to use a router. I am suer there are many out there that are in the same boat but would like to learn how to do things like in the video. The other thing I went through was back then there were no YT videos to help me out. I wound up buying a book, from Stew Mac, the showed me how to make a guitar. Of course, that was after I made my first guitar. HA! But as far as “tone woods?” a lot of hype in that! Made too many guitars now to say, most of the tone is the electronics and the player. Oh, and of course the amp, pedals and so on. I have made guitars out of pine that will sustain forever. Even better than some high-end hard woods I have made guitars out of.

A dumb idea is always worth exploring... to the point of not walking off the edge of a cliff. 😂

Softwood bodies have been used a lot and by some big companies like Fender, but working with softwoods, especially hand tools, is a lot different. Run a rasp over pine verses maple and the amount you'll take off is significantly different so yes I think its good for practise but also be aware you may start dropping into some bad habits

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still probably better than the neck on my first guitar. a mid 70s japanese sg bolt laminate neck with gold foils. it was awful, yet i wish i still had it.

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Really like this. From what I've seen at a couple local stores in my area, really maple is about the least expensive wood for a neck.

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Same here my friend, maple is, as you know such a terrific wood and the price is really affordable. there is no reason to use a 2x4

Sometimes I test my CNC design and tool paths on rigid foam board insulation board. Very cheap and cuts fast. Saves me time and money when there is a flaw in tool paths or to make a prototype and makes design changes/adjustments. Foam isn't really good for practice of further hand work steps but it has it's place for CNC work.

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I'm actually glad I watched them out of order. I like the process. And yes, I would much rather give you guys my money directly than to pay YT and have them give you pennies.

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Ha ha, cool video! I have in past made two guitars out of pine ("select" pine from HD which is more or less the same wood as a 2x4 but without knots. It's the more prime pieces). My main reasoning was to make a lighter weight guitar. I did know from experience (a couple of decades plus) the challenges of pine, and nothing had changed when I made the pine guitars either. Pine is an extremely soft wood -- so soft that practically touching it wrong creates scratches and indentations. It's also prone to humidity fluctuations which means a guy has to be very good at aligning the grain in his glue-ups to make the pieces expand linearly with each other rather than in right-angle directions. Ultimately, it's not my favorite. I prefer to use denser woods, but a pine guitar can work if done with a little care and patience.

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Surprisingly, this isn't particularly light weight

As far as I've heard some of the most beloved Telecaster's are all pine guitars. So it's possible with right wood choices.

Even if the neck is not usable this is still a good demonstration video.

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I don't remember who did the review, but I did see someone said that current spec Squire Tele bodies are made of pine.

After all, Leo Fender made early guitar bodies out of PINE so this is doable. Necks should be made from Maple.

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Depends what kind of 2x4 it is. You don't want a stud because it's too soft. and pressure treated is treated and could be harmful. Big box stores have a hardwood sectionand you can get a 4 ft 4x4 in hardwood. The body you can use anything you want.

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I've got several pieces of 100+ years old seasoned straight grain fir sourced from 1900 era buildings. It's very stable. Have you tried any that age?

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Great Video!!

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I gotta laugh , back in the 80's I had a friend in Ft. Laud. Who built a guitar with 1 2x4 he called it " the lumbercastor" and he giged with it. Now this guy was also a former member of Dr Hook and the medicine show. He also managed a local music store. I have to tell you it sounded really good and had a lot of punch. Just sayin

Enjoying the video. Just go for it. Electric Guitars are not as complex and sensitive to every little thing some people obsess about. Thanks

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I play classical configuration, nylon strings on a wide neck. The tension is pretty low. I keep my guitars in a controlled environment at 50% rh. My ultra cheap chinese guitar is made from something substantially softer than pine. Surprise! - it works ok. No truss rod even. So, yeah, a 2x4 would work except for one thing. Pine is too soft. You will still need a hard wood for the fretboard. I made a fretboard from mahogany which is harder than pine and the frets stayed in, but it lasted about 2 years before it became a "scalloped" neck!. Still playable with no truss rod. Tools used: hand drill, belt sander, 16" radius sanding block (from stew mac), metric rule to position frets, files to make nut and bridge assembly. The hex piezo pickup drives midi interface without additional circuitry! A neck made from soft material will have no sustain.

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Look up Florida sinker southern yellow pine...super tight straight grain

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I'm sure that would be good BUT I'm not doing this to show how cool a 2x4 or pine or other wood like that is for building guitars. I had a viewer ask me if they should practice on a 2x4 and I said no then I made this absurd video to demonstrate why

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Practice makes perfect. A Doug Fir Tele body could be cool.

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i like douglas fir as a guitar body.

That floor is exactly the floor in my local ADHD community services. Staff say it keeps them quiet for hours.

You can get the wood to look like a nice guitar, and it will work fine while it's in that condition. Getting it to that condition is harder with poor materials, keeping it in that condition long-term will be nearly impossible.

My first thoughts when I read the title was that's gonna go warp speed - literally 😂 In the end it's only wood, so why not? But I think you pointed out a lot of the pitfalls of this type of timber Matt: - it's rarely completely dry when you buy new - it's inherently got a lot of knots which is hard to eliminate - generally bad grain patterns as it's not quarter sawn Some of the things you can do to mitigate is - laminate the neck to get a straighter grain - pick pieces with less knots or try and cut around - use second hand dried pieces I don't see too many issues using pine as body blanks, but if you get a warped neck it's all for naught no matter how cool it might be.

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I covered a lot of the issues with the wood in the first video, I'm guessing you saw that too. There really isn't a good reason to do what I did but I did it so you don't have to

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@@TexasToastGuitars Yeah, in the end I think for necks at least it's important to start with a good quarter sawn blank.

I don't think the body will be much of an issue (you already made a plywood LP, this can't be any worse?). What are you planning to do for the fingerboard though? Will the frets even stay in???

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I’ve been experimenting with Spanish Cedar lately and find it a bit too soft. Spruce should be interesting.

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@@TexasToastGuitars I meant Douglas Fir. I’m in the south where spruce is 2x4 material. The Spanish Cedar just dents more easily than I’m used to. I must tame my fumble fingers.

I love this!!!!!

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@@TexasToastGuitars thank you Matt!!!I got in touch with the nephew of the man that made the lumber store guitar,he had some old 2 x6 lumber he glued up for the body and made the neck from oak,hollowed it out and glued in some rib like appendages inside the neck ,the guitar was about 6 pounds!and it sounded really good,people around here also make lap steels from cypress knees as well

I heard Phillip McKnight give you guys a shout out on one of his live streams, If i remember correctly he said you guys makes good guitars for a reasonable price

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every 2x4 at my hardware store looks like a piece of fried bacon........ nothing there is straight enough to consider making a guitar out of...... honestly, using plywood would probably be a better choice, if you are limited to only hardware store wood. but you already did the Les Ply, so i'm interested to see how this one turns out. I'm fortunate to work in a cabinet shop with my dad. My necks have always been 3 piece hard maple (opposing grain, quarter or rift sawn against the grain) glued up from face frame stock. the two out standing flatsawn necks though were red oak, and birch. They were experiments, and i won't do either again. The birch was too splintery. Not just while machining, at the time i was carving necks primarily with a spoke shave, and it kept wanting to split along the grain.

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Cool video

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Kiln dried studs are dry but like I said not a good wood for it.

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I got a buddy that's making the bodies out of them 😂 I told him they're going to twist right off the wall he uses Luan for the top and the back then uses wood dye odd thing is they look pretty good

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If you think about it all guitar necks are huin from a 2x4, types wood very that's all.

Are you sure that's Douglas Fir? Looks more like White Fir or some kind of Pine.

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i build all my prototypes from HD wood. Why would I want to mess up good wood until the design is perfected and techniques squared away. Try it. The second time around, it really is much easier.

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Home Depot wood is always so wet near me, nothing even close to your worst neck blank at Stumac

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Gosh . I'm surprised those 4 by 2's come from tiny immature trees.

Don't know how it is in the States, but here in Italy I have never, and I mean never, found a straight board in the hardware store. They're too warped to make shelves, let alone a guitar neck. It's not even questionable whether you could - you can't. You may find some cheap spruce that is decent for the task but surely not at the hardware store...better to spend some extra money in a plain maple neck blank.

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If the main complaint is that it won't be pretty....well, I don't think anyone building a 2x4 guitar cares much about pretty, quite the opposite really. (think how easy it would be to 'relic' !) Now, if the complaint is stability, then I could certainly see how a 2x4 neck could be a liability. For the body I don't think it would make much of a difference at all as long as the wood was reasonably stable.

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I don't think that Stewart Mc.Donald will ship some kind of wood to Asia. And if he could it will cost 2 or maybe 3 times more

As long as you have truss rod, there's nothing wrong with it.

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Matt Drink a ice cold beer 🍺... 👍

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I made a pallet wood guitar exactly for this reason... And to learn video editing. It's still in the workshop and plays just fine. She's called 'the shitter' and is honestly a piece of shit 😂. Would I recommend it other than an experiment, absolutely not. Cool video Matt, deffo see it through.

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BTW that is a 1x6 not a 2x4

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My thought too...at the very least it was a 2x6 planed down to 3/4"

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A 2x4 doesn't measure 2" x 4". 🤦🏽‍♂️

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Spend 5k on tools to save $15 on a neck blank.

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Maple is $6/bf, c’mon people.

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