Heyho! Greetings from Germany! Magnus here we know each other from Trackerschool 10+ years ago! I worked at the Paleon Schoeningen Spears Museum! (to be exact the spears were made by Homo Heidelbergensis the ancestor of Homo Neandertalensis the excavation is still ongoing)

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

I read that and the research I found mentioned likely built by both, but heavily used by Neanderthals. It’s hard with limited access to get all the facts, but it’s still fun to build them.

@jzjzjzj

16 күн бұрын

@@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks heidelbergensis is just the ancestor of neanderthals, it's not that important of a distinction, they're just even more archaic neanderthals, lacking the human like male lineage that later neanderthals acquired being even more apelike, where neanderthals were roughly 50% more human like thanks to a y chromosomal lineage replacement.

@prepperstate9505

16 күн бұрын

Magnus, have any animal remains been found around the location these spears were found? Curious to know what type of animals these ancient dudes were using the 'Schoeningen" spears on?

@user-io6pj8bz8h

16 күн бұрын

​@@jzjzjzjWhat, hahahaha, what nonsense

@jzjzjzj

16 күн бұрын

@@user-io6pj8bz8h tell 90% of science journals that, "Y-chromosomal replacement" means human like males showed up where the neanderthals were, and well replaced them, meaning only the female neanderthals survived and had kids from that certain point around 300KYA.

I remember a german documentation, where a german athlet as part of an experiment threw reconstrutions of these spears. With some practise he soon reached the same distances as with modern olympic javelins. While stone age people might not have thrown for maximum distance, it showed that they already knew how to optimize their tools even with the primitive technologies they had at hand. I work in a open air museum in Germany (Oerlinghausen) where we cover the time from stone ages to early medieval period. The spear thrower is another fascinating stone age technology that showcase what a keen eye for applied physics these people had and how to use it to their advantage long before the formulas behind it were discovered.

The hard part is finding 400,000 yr old elk to throw it at.

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

@@keithwhittington1322 hahaha. No doubt. Maybe some hogs in Texas on a future video.

@CharlesHuse

17 күн бұрын

I'm waiting for that life-size 3D foam mammoth. I can just imagine the neighbors when I set up a 12 foot tall fuzzy elephant in the back yard....not to mention the UPS driver that gets to deliver it.

@thewalruswasjason101

15 күн бұрын

lol, you’re never getting penetration throwing that heavy spear. You need an atlatl

@miquelescribanoivars5049

14 күн бұрын

I mean, looking at what we know of Schöningen, it seems that it was horses what got targeted the most.

Best youtube survivalist. No macho garbage, no annoying background music, least worst beard.

This is a project ive been planning myself for a while! The schöningen spears are my favourite of the neanderthal finds. Amazing work!

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Awesome! Thank you! It was a fun build and with some practice a very effective hunting tool. 🤙

Neanderthals were badass.

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Absolutely no doubt!

@willcool713

17 күн бұрын

Autistic developmental pathways appear to be from Neanderthal heritage. We know they had bigger, differently proportioned brains from ours, less folds in the cortex (grey matter), but probably more cross connections (white matter) throughout. It appears they invented religion, art, and language, too. They may have been an entire race of savants -- very different from us, likely less social, possibly less consceince, but far smarter.

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

@@willcool713 that’s a fair assessment and very likely true in some ways!! Thanks!

@RachDarastric2

16 күн бұрын

I am 45% Neanderthal.

@bonanzaking1527

15 күн бұрын

@@RachDarastric2 Judging by the hair on my ass, I'm 65% Neanderthal, no kidding🤣

The shape of those spears were pretty neat, keeps the correct orientation when in flight and the fact that the weight is more towards the tip means the tip gets driven in harder than if the weight was more middle third

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Absolutely. It was a pretty amazing marvel of ingenuity and adaptation. Try masters of their craft. Thanks for watching 🤙

Loved the shots of Finn watching the spear fly and the one of him running after it 😂

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Haha. He’s always there!!!

Thank You Donny for bringing history to life, Excellent as always.

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

My pleasure. Appreciate you watching!

In my opinion stone knives are better than metal because with a metal blade you would need a whetstone to sharpen it but with a stone blade you just have to flake it and also the satisfaction I get from making a good strong stone blade just makes the experience 1000 times better

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Absolutely. I couldn’t agree more. Stone is the way to go!

Another amazing and educational video from the most entertaining and authentic survival channel on KZread. Thanks again Donny!

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

16 күн бұрын

Appreciate you watching!

Appreciate the hell out of it, Donny. That was pretty damned cool.

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

@@RyanMclain thanks so very much for watching! Appreciate it greatly!

A good job..thanks for the how to's!! Now..off to find a good candidate, for a spear!! 👍🐺🧙‍♂️🦊👌

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

16 күн бұрын

Absolutely. Thanks for watching

Thanks for the video. I show my students your vids when we talk about experimental archeology and neolithic culture.

Awsome video as always, thank you for your content 😊

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoy it! Thanks so much for your time!!!🤙

im so glad this wasnt silliness. i loved this, i felt like i was in an outdoor classroom.

This was awesome to warch! Thank you! I just learned more about spears in 11 minutes than I have in my entire life. Back in the 90's, I had a farm... My nephew and I were burning a bunch of scrub trees and tried fire hardening, smoking venison, and figuring out how to bend wood with heat. It evolved into two days of messing around and learning a ton. We built atlatls that weekend and have gotten fairly decent at lobbing pointed sticks. I cannot wait to show him this video! Thanks again!

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

16 күн бұрын

My absolute pleasure. Thanks so be much for watching. Lots of lessons come from messing around. 🤙

absolutely love the content ! always inspired me to start making these tools too

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Get on it!!! Enjoy the process. Thanks for watching!

Ah, good to see you again. thanks for the virtual visit here. Am thinkin of goin out and finding some nice atlatl type dart branches, and maybe look for some quartz or chirt or agate at a muddy dam. But at least their is a rather friendly beaver out there. Polte fella too, hehe, slapped his tail and dove when I came near and startled, hung out and plinked with bow and kinda waved and let him know was no threat, he hung out on surface nice and calm watchin. When I waved goodby on way out, he slapped gently back kinda like a wave back i figure. Hehe, maybe a good day for it. Anywho.. A belated happy 4th, and Canada day all rolled up in one there bud. Thanks for the great lessons. All kids and parents should do and learn how. Besides, is great fun time to talk. Folks just seldom get that kinda time it seems. Cheers.

I've never heard about that. Awesome! Keep in mind that neanderthals were probably much stronger (muscular) than us too when throwing that javelin!

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

I have no doubt they had some raw strength that I and we don’t have. Appreciate you watching!

@Jayman2800

17 күн бұрын

From my own research _(I'm just a guy with access to the Internet and no formal education regarding archeology)_ neanderthals being super strong actually is somewhat of a myth- on average, they were slightly stronger than the average Sapien, but not by much. Pretty much, someone who does strongman competitions has about the same strength as neanderthals

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

@@Jayman2800 interesting for sure. I have one archeology class at a community college…that’s about it, but 20 plus years of trying to take something read in academic papers and make it real. For this I focused more on “could they fly” and “could they be thrown”. I think it worked out.

@chucklearnslithics3751

17 күн бұрын

@@Jayman2800 Soo... You're saying Donny could take em! 😂 There's certainly plenty we don't know about them. I have read papers estimating their muscle mass, but I have no idea if they've held up or what the current consensus is. I have no compelling reason to doubt you or take a side.

@anonymousthesneaky220

17 күн бұрын

They definitely did have thicker, denser bones than sapiens though. I still think the average (decently fit) modern sapien could take on the average Neanderthal because we are taller. We don’t have brow ridges though.

Superb video dude, loved that! flew well too.

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it. Appreciate you watching! Thanks

Fantastic content. Thanks for a little longer sit.

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

My absolute pleasure. Appreciate you watching!

Blessed Love ❤️‍🔥 Thanks for sharing!

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Thanks for listening and watching!

Fascinating. As you were working I thought to myself that every action and process you went through, Neanderthals, over tens of thousands of years, did countless times. Nice, simple demo, and in a landscape they would have lived in. Liked and subscribed!

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

15 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks so very much for that. I appreciate it greatly!!!

Great channel, thanks. Love the content.

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoy it! Appreciate you watching!

Love this type of experimental archaeology! I usually have my nose in the papers so it's a nice change to see things actually put into practice. It's flying really well! Neanderthals were so strong that I don't think we can really test how they thrust properly. Our biomechanics are a bit different. But very cool to try. And I'd say you come pretty close with all the muscle you developed from working hard like in this video 💪

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

@@ingwiafraujaz3126 yeah…it was one of things I had to deal with…different species. I guess my focus was on building it and do they fly as a suitable hunting weapon. I have no doubt they got it done !

@Reginaldesq

15 күн бұрын

My understanding is that Neanderthal were shorter but more muscular. To throw a javelin a long way you want strength, weight and long arms. Not sure about Neanderthal arm length but I guess they wouldn't make a bunch unless they worked. Amazing technology for the time.

Wow. That looks like it might adapt to the atlatl really well, too. The way it moves through the air once released makes it an ideal throwing shape. That's amazing. I'm going to go camping and make one this weekend, now -- but I'll use modern tools, LOL.

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Awesome! Get on it. It flies even farther when completely dried out. Have fun🤙

Hey Donnie, I've been familiar with your content since Alone and really enjoy it! We see a lot of your stonework but could we get a video breaking down some of your leather bags and pouches? Keep up the good work!

Excellent video Donny. Sure is fun watching you work brother. Old age has taken me out of the game but I can still sit on the sidelines. Thanks for sharing your knowledge Sir. Many blessings.

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Much respect and appreciation. Thanks so much for wand following the adventures 🤙

@kevinkline6835

17 күн бұрын

@@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks My pleasure

That traveled a lot farther than I thought it would!

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

16 күн бұрын

Thanks. Appreciate you watching!

SWEET THROW.... That forward weight and trailing distal taper certainly guides the flight beautifully. Right on!

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

15 күн бұрын

Yes it does! Thanks for watching!

Thank for video donny

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Thanks for watching my friend 🤙

Really fascinating to see this ancient tech in practice! I seem to remember reading years ago that there was a question whether neanderthals had shoulder joints capable of effective range of motion for throwing overhand. But it seems convincing that this was not the case. If anything, given their strength, they must have had one hell of a throw.

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Absolutely. I couldn’t agree more. I’m sure, just like people today throwing and hunting throwing likely developed and capabilities improved! Thanks for watching!

I believe they ram the spear into what they were hunting more often, seeing it barely stick the ground. I can't see it piercing a thick hide unless they were really close

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

16 күн бұрын

I’ll do some tests on some carcasses soon!!!

Awesome video again.

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

@@danholmblad9925 much respect and appreciation!!!🤙

Sir this was a very informative video thank you for sharing this six stars brother

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks so much for watching!

The original builder of that style of spear had a sound working understanding of ballistics and aerodynamics.

Great video keep up the good work:)

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Thanks, will do!🤙

When the neolithic farmer says something so grain fed you have to hit them with the hunter gatherer stare

Wow nice work❤👌

The amount of time that went in to this. So much work for something most people wiuld call a "simple" tool. Its truly fascinating

Shaped like a javelin but that flexible bouncy shaft is gonna fly and act more like an arrow.

This is the first video ive seen on how to make these in detail seems like stone tools are the way you get almost a perfect replica using them

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

10 күн бұрын

@@ambiguousman_6961 absolutely. In my opinion…what’s the point of building 400,000 year old weapons with modern tools.

I liked seeing you using the big rock like a rough material removal work bench. Maybe a sharp-broken found boulder was used 'back in the day'. Also girdling and breaking rather than trying to saw/whittle all the way through is good to show folks.

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Thanks so much. Having done a couple in the past…you learn some tricks or best practices!

Donny will survive !

Of course Neanderthal's would have made better ones as they used them and would have iterated this hundreds if not thousands of times, but this was a good demonstration of the process.

Amazing that our ancestors understood how basic physics worked and incorporated it into the design of these spears. Also Amazing that they used these kind of tools to fight megafauna to survive and here we are today, the product of their struggle.

Cool build. Some Neanderthals did use spears with stone tips as well though

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

15 күн бұрын

Later yes, not these however.

I've always imagined homo X, Y, Z whichever group it is we're talking about at the time to kinda production lining a lot of this stuff. If you've got 10 prospective shafts that need debarking have the kids do that, save the adult labour resources for more precision based stuff like hardening, straightening, pointing etc. I reckon a lot of tools and weapons were worked intermittently in bulk on and off especially if you routinely have certain members of a group that separate to go off and hunt, fish, gather, patrol or whatever else. A lot of spears were probably worked on by different people, including women and kids.

these were most likely game carrying sticks and not spears . we see the exact same being used today by modern hunter gatherers . wood just does not work for a penetrating weapon at these ranges and thicknesses . go test its penetrating power on a real carcass with hide at the kind of ranges you are throwing and the theory that these are spears crumbles fast . yours is far more aerodynamic than the finds and a totally different design and much more like an olympic javelin . these things would just annoy a deer size animal at any range without a bone or stone point .. test it on a carcass

I use to make stuff like that all the time has a kid. Age 67.

With even a small stone point that would be an effective boar spear. The only thing that surprised me was you didn't use the antler to polish the front third, while not able to be determined in the archeological evidence, polishing would certainly be a good move to aid in strength and, potentially, in penetration. Even if it only goes a 16th of an inch deeper because of polishing, that could be the difference between clipping an artery and getting a meal or sitting by that campfire with a growling belly.

Every time i go camping ever since i was young, i always made a spear.

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

16 күн бұрын

Awesome!

Love your videos. They sparked an interest in me that I Kind of forgot I had and help bring me out of a very difficult and trying time in my life. With some help from others, determination, and (in all seriousness) videos such as yours that reminded me what I enjoyed out of life before serious addiction took control of my life, I am able to say I am not the same person I was not very long ago, far from it and I’m never going back. Thank you Donny.

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Wonderful! Life is a journey and we learn and adapt from it. Much respect and appreciation for you watching and your personal growth 🤙

@mattgoyette4965

17 күн бұрын

@@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks the appreciation is all mine. Thank you

Can u make rope out of the bark ?

Ah, the good ol pointed stick. Never leave the cave without it

Donny that was brilliant. Like many outdoorsman we all have an interest in ancient man, being in the UK for me it’s a fascination with Doggerland below the now North Sea. But seeing you build these things is like putting flesh back into old bones and bringing it to life. Really appreciate what you’re doing and admire the time and dedication it takes for you to produce each of these amazing items. You’ve already had me out there smashing rocks together wondering how does Donny do this 🤔

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it. Time…that’s how you do it. Tools not trophies are the goal. Appreciate the feedback and you following along on the adventure🤙

I can't believe you didn't do this using safety gloves and eye protection. hahahahahhahahhaha Nice throwing weapon

thx awesome!!

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Glad you like it!

Well done sir 👍🏻. 🐾🙏🏻✌🏻🤙🏻

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

@@scottmcfarland2149 thanks. 🤙🤙

I absolutely enjoy your content it's fun and informative, I live your dedication to doing things in this style where most people would have just used a modern knife

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

@@Kornyknifeguy thanks. Appreciate it. I think that’s the approach of most folks…build a Neolithic bow, flintknapp, carve, etc all with modern tools in my opinion defeats the purpose. Start to finish with something in the aspect of tools that would have been used!

@Kornyknifeguy

17 күн бұрын

@@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks 100% agree. Now I don't know if you have, but have you done a primative sheaperds sling video?

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

@@Kornyknifeguy I did a short on one awhile back, but I think it’s time to do a better one and update! Great idea.

@Kornyknifeguy

17 күн бұрын

​@@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks i will absolutely be looking for that video thak you again for all the great info.

Outstanding spear throwing.

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

15 күн бұрын

Appreciate you watching!

Excellent. Honorary PhD. work.

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

15 күн бұрын

Thank you kindly. Somebody’s got to do it!!!

I suppose with the weight of the spear, the impact would penetrate most animal hides. Just curious. When did the atlatl appear? Seems the next stage of this technology. Was it during the Neanderthal era? And did the atlatl appear before stone tips? I could look it up but would rather trust what you say over the stuff I find online. Thanks for all the content you make.

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Atlatl came much later and you considered it a pretty significant technological advancement. Based on archeological finds the first Atlatl type spear thrower was about 22,000 years ago. Stone projectiles were used in thrusting spears and short throw spears, but wood tipped was the way with the Schoningen spear.

@DonnyDust wheres the link to buy your book wild wisdom?

Donny, have you ever heard of the antler-point spears from the early european Aurignacium? It seems that for a very short timeframe (I think only around 5000 years), straight, long trees for spear shafts were so scarce, that people did not notch the front of the shaft to insert a stone point and risk the rare shaft splitting open the entire way. Usually, as you well know, it's the spearhead that takes great effort and is most at risk of breaking. Well, since the wood was so rare, they used reindeer antlers as spear heads that were notched, accepting a spearshaft that looked much like your example here. An engineer would call this a "female" shaft adapter, rather than a "male" adapter. The point might split on impact, but reindeer was abundand, wood was not, so you could always replace the basically sacrificial spearpoint. I was wondering if you've heard of this and have any plans of demonstrating this fascinating and shortlived spear type to a more general audience

You walked through your block throughout your demo

I've read where the section that is closest to the core of the tree is the densest part because it is the oldest. And you generated all that kindling and fire starter knocking off the stubs and bark.

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

The heart wood at the base of the tree is the hardest. It was something that Neanderthals understood and built specifically to create a denser point.

...after that: the atlatl. Someone's arm started hurting

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Haha. It’s been awhile since I tossed the javelin around since high school. Atlatl is coming up next!

Neanderthals were a lot smarter than people tend to give them credit for, huh?

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

15 күн бұрын

Absolutely. Couldn’t agree more!

I'm going to have a go at this in the near future. Although being from Australia I might have to try a different type of timber. Maybe a sheoak. The indigenous Aussies used that for other weapons and I've made boomerangs out of it before that performed pretty well. Love your videos

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Thanks so much. Appreciate it. I’m sure there are woods available in Australia that would make an exceptional Schoningen spear. Love to hear what you would come up with. 🤙

@Reginaldesq

15 күн бұрын

Blackwood wattle also known as Tasmanian blackwood is one of the best Australian timbers for wood working. I have made guitars from it. Its slightly lighter weight than Black or drooping sheoak. Its extremely strong along the grain.

I think sometime in winter I requested this video. Thank you! I had a hard time finding exact specifications for Schöningen spears so this video helps a lot. Although the spears are great, in your honest opinion does spruce suck as a spear wood?

These are almost the same as the light throwing spear that Maori boys made to practice with, a hundred years ago, I don't think they hardened the tip of the practice spears, but other wise, the same. Little boys started spear practice with the stalks of the native grass Toetoe and then made themselves wooden ones.

Fascinating video. How sure are we that these were Neanderthal spears? I thought their shoulder anatomy was not so suitable for throwing. If archeologists say "modern humans weren't around then", I must counter that there are plenty of surprise discoveries that change timelines a little. Seeing you throw this thing really makes me realise the benefit of a bow and arrow is not just whatever tactical advantage it has, but that old men can shoot a bow. To get the most out of a javelin is a young mans game. That could have huge implications for the wider social pecking order in a tribe, how much wisdom gets to incubate for longer, how many capable hunters they can have in their ranks vs how many mouths to feed. The Australian Aboriginals had much thinner, lighter, wood-pointed spears, and used woomera spear thrower - I wonder how this technology fits in with the heavier javelin, what different animals they might be good for. The light spear and woomera combination seems to sit inbetween the javelin and the bow and arrow. Looking at you use the stone tools to make that spear, I can't help but think there must be/have been easier ways. You grind the spear on a larger rock, but I wonder if particular large rocks could be found that have wedges in them, V shaped or whatever, that you can drag the spear through to deburr all those branches off quicker. I also wonder if you could use fire a bit more, put the whole spear in a fire with the bark still on, control how much the fire takes hold. It might be able to burn away the twigs, parts of the bark.

I live in the finger lakes region of NYS in between Buffalo and Rochester...I keep finding a wide variety of large spearheads and finely ground damn near paper thin knives and scrapers made from limestone... I've looked at museum collections and the back room research collections.. some of the heads are the size of my hand,I find zero cultural attribution to these anywhere, when I do see similar sometimes virtually the same tool, they are all from Europe and Africa and are a million years old.. The famous anthropologist Louis Leaky visited a site by the lakes in the 50 and said that aside from the lithic differences, that the stuff was so similar to neanderthal and older..we have sites older than 13000 years close by.. the certified genuine neanderthal tools I have,I have the same thing in a local stone, but no one has an interest because they are just limestone or don't fit in the timeline...gets frustrating

Muy bien realizada 👍

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

@@malacarabushcraft1451 🤙

spears for throwing are much more prone to losing or damage thats why you need a group of them on a hunt instead of just 1

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

I’m sure more than one was carried and employed. I just made one to demonstrate the process and its flight.

In the first 30 seconds there is a bit of a construction error, and another later when it comes to the point. The Schöningen spears used the base of the sapling, with the more dense and hard portion near the roots used as the point. This is for durability and potentially slightly affects how the balance is sorted out. This may also play a part in flexibility, vibration, and impact resistance. The point in the originals was intentionally placed off center which assists in preventing breaking. In this recreation the point is centrally placed. Reference: Schoch, et al 2015 New insights on the wooden weapons from the Paleolithic site of Schöningen

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

16 күн бұрын

It was off set. No worries no did my homework. Thanks for watching

@Reginaldesq

15 күн бұрын

When you say off centre. Does that mean that: 1. the point was still in the centre of the javelin but the point was not in the heart wood as it was gradually off set along the entire length or 2. The entire javelin had heartwood at the centre but just the tip was off set.

@earthknight60

15 күн бұрын

@@Reginaldesq The points were not in the center of the javelin and not in the heartwood. They were offset from the central axis of the spears. The spears had heartwood all through the center. Picture a pencil sharpened so the point is on one edge instead of over the central graphite rod. Take a look at the paper I referenced, there are images in it.

@Reginaldesq

15 күн бұрын

@@earthknight60 Thank you very much for taking the time to explain that.

Gotta remember too, Neanderthals were more robust physically than us, they would've had more strength to throw a spear like that a lot farther and with more force.

@Reginaldesq

15 күн бұрын

Maybe, longer arms = higher speed. Maybe Neanderthal were short but had long arms? I dont know. I assume a javelin might have been used at close range in an ambush type situation with beaters/drivers causing the animals to run towards the ambush. Javelins travel pretty slowly so hitting an animal at long range would require the animal to be totally unaware until impact.

Me an my younger brother made these when we were 8 or 10 yrs old, now mid 60's, never knew they had a name. But we grew up in the swamps of Fla an used local hardwoods, an they were effective. Fire hardened the tips also, but what do kids know, we were copying zulu spears as thats all we knew about then. Now I would flint spearheads out of something if I had to. Thx for the vid tho.

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

16 күн бұрын

So very cool. Thanks so much for sharing. Appreciate it greatly!

Super awesome spear. You should make a stone axe

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

16 күн бұрын

Coming up next week in my long form video.

10:53 I had this same thought when you were throwing the spear. These had to be thrown in a group volley at an intended target(s). Definitely effective, also highlighting how hunting would be a group effort. I think that they probably also used used some runners to guide a herd of ungulates into a box canyon where a group of spear hurlers could maximize their harvest by casting volleys of spears into a traffic jam of meat. No reason why a hunting party couldn't carry two or three per person.

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

16 күн бұрын

This was absolutely a hunting party type weapon. I would assess most groups employed weapons together targeting specific animals of the heard.

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Couldn't stop smiling when you started throwing it. You can really tell this technology had already been in use for hundreds of thousands of years. Just out of curiosity, how old are your tattoo sleeves? They're very faded.

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Thanks. Appreciate you watching. My tattoos I started getting around 18/19…I’m 44 now…so absolutely faded!!!

I really appreciate your videos i always learn something new thank you. What is the penatration like with this spear i know lots of factors would go into it this would be fun to do some testing with carcass or ballistic gel i dont know but would be cool to find out thank you again

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

16 күн бұрын

I’ll do a future test for sure. Appreciate you watching!

The Schönigen spears cover a considerable span of time. The earlier examples were likely employed by Heidelberg rather Neanderthal. The lesson they offer is that the technology is conservative and quite slow in changing. Neanderthals are generally more clicky, but there were others before, around, and after. The Denisovans would have used identical javelins, and similar weapons were made into the 19th century. In fact, smaller examples, with feathers were used as arrows.

I would think a coarse flat or slightly rounded boulder with a notch could be a faster & easier way to rough in the shape of the shaft. This would let you grind the shaft like low grit sand paper to knock down the stubs & bark using minimal energy vs the flake sawing. Love the tree vice & shaping for sure. Super clean. The fire hardening does introduce some carbon as well as a small portion of that becoming graphite which will genuinely harden it slightly beyond that of dried wood.

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

I’m sure different tools were used, however I went with the minimal approach to show that it could be done. Wood hardening…not so much. Wood drying and reducing the moisture, crystallizing the sap…absolutely. Its hard to burn something to create a hardness that is going to be harder the. Wood itself. Dry wood, forced dried by fire…cut when wet. Absolutely!

Great throws you made there.😮 I had heard the tip could be hardened by thrusting it into the coals/dirt below the fire where there was less oxygen. Then again it is just something I heard. 🤗🙄🤗

They might have employed an ankyle, a throwing strap to it to increase the power of the throw. And the back end could have been used for thrusting making it a spear-javelin hybrid.

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

15 күн бұрын

Very true. Thats a fair assessment for sure!!!

Hey Donny, I've been following you for a while and love the videos. This might be asked before, but I'd like to know, what kind of shoes do you wear or what do you recommend to wear when you hike a lot?

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

I’m a pretty simple guy. Sandals most the time when it’s warm, my old military boots when cold, moccasins when it cool/warm…but a tennis/hiking shoe with a big toe box if I am hiking. Brands…nothing particular.

Found you with shorts but im so glad i got to catch one of your long form videos 😊 Ps watching you throw do you think there was much difference between throwing exactly at the balance point or thightly fore or aft of it "inch or less"?

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Thanks for following along. In all honesty…now that my spear has had about a week to dry, my balance point has slightly shifted forward. My spear has dropped mass from dry time and thus changed my throwing point.

@bryanengland2466

17 күн бұрын

@@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks very interesting 🤔 hope to see more 👍 thanks for the update after the drying time too. My main curiosity was because I've never tried throwing anything that wasn't a ball so I didn't really know how to grasp it. Obviously close to the balance point but the point at the pinky finger the index finger or the middle finger kind of thought. No need to reply I'm definitely going to keep watching as long as youtube let's me know you posted.

You could probably remove those branches a lot more easily with a hand axe.

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

No doubt, I’m sure all sorts of tools were used. However it can be done with simple flakes!!

An easier way to get the twigs off even from the beginning would be to rub it on a rock like you did later on. Even better would be if you could find two large rocks with a wedge between them to run the spear back and forth through. That would take all the twigs off. You could use a large rock to beat on each nub so it doesn't stick out so far making scraping them off with flakes much easier.

My thoughts are they likely used this for short ranges and slow moving things and reserved stones for long distance. If a stone thrown hard can get a gorilla. 🤔

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Herds increase target size and I would assess thrown from cover, but likely close up. Slower moving game I have no doubt.

they didnt have shoulder movment we have according their skelingtons as far as i know

just saw a documentary about these spears, the point was off center where the wood is a little harder. Great respect for your work and ability. Question: were these spears thrown or were they maid for stabbing?

Just an odd question. As a qualifier, I’ve read a lot about this spear as both a throwing spear and a thrusting spear and all loads of commentary in between. Hypothetically, as a thrower and a simple spear one might make in a survival sort of scenario, would bladelets/microliths work to make it in anyway more effective or would that require a change to the overall spear? I hope that makes sense.

@StMiBll

17 күн бұрын

A mix of Neanderthal and later h.sapiens tech as it were.

@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

17 күн бұрын

Makes total sense. I think small microliths on a spear are very practical and can really cut into a hose. I like to think with the change of game, climate and geography…early hominids changed their approach with different variables…adding bone or stone cutting elements as needed. The Schoningen spears are only ten finds…these could have belonged to a small clan that hunted light skinned animals where hardened wood worked. Another clan in colder climates could need stone bladders to cut through thick hides and fur. I think the environment was a factor.

@ingwiafraujaz3126

17 күн бұрын

Valid points. ​@@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks

@Reginaldesq

15 күн бұрын

@@ingwiafraujaz3126 No pun intended :)

Definitely misread the thumbnail as "Old Neanderthal Shenanigan Spear."

Wonderful video, thank you 😊The tip seems really rather broad and blunt. Do you think that they may have had a keener point and had to replenish or replace them more often or would the tip shape in this video have enough mass behind it to puncture the game's hide?

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