I hope I have to build a gate one day just so I can remember this short.

@shadowX50

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@Znew07

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, it’s preschool logic… so I hope you can build a simple “gate”. Just hope you never have to build a house…

@mradamc4455

2 жыл бұрын

Not just for a gate, u use this in anything. A building, o other structures

@starfighter1043

2 жыл бұрын

You will!

@Comfy_Bed

2 жыл бұрын

@@Znew07 preschool? i know you mean common sense but you can't use common sense alone to do this.

Today I learned why my gate has been sagging for the last 15 years

@zachmoyer1849

7 ай бұрын

did ya fix it?

@TrashPanda5150

6 ай бұрын

​@zachmoyer1849 We need answers!

@manuhonkanen2111

6 ай бұрын

How is it hanging?

@melbournestacker

6 ай бұрын

Lies if you put it the wrong way it wouldn’t work and just drag on the ground.

@calopsita4465

6 ай бұрын

@@melbournestacker he prob just lifts it up every time he moves it

I wish more instructional videos were this clear and quick. Good bit of advise, with no faffing about. Excellent!

@kingduck3192

6 ай бұрын

Now add screws so the cross member is actually in tension and will stay in tension as it dries. Also don’t build a gate so sloppy to try and prove a point that misses

@MrXango2000

6 ай бұрын

no, this guy is right. Consider how the cross member would be attached in tension and how that would affect the build over time, either the wood or the nails/screws would fail quicker than if the cross member was in compression.@@kingduck3192

@Eduardo_Espinoza

6 ай бұрын

also so glad he didn't make it into a 2 part short

@thegoatlark

6 ай бұрын

Classic youtube was like that

@madmax82988

5 ай бұрын

Advice

Good god, I'm a dentist and this just solved a lot of questions regarding the jaw joints for me! Excellent video

This is probably the most practical and useful short I have ever seen.

@palipali4264

2 жыл бұрын

Same!!

@time_lightsout_1186

2 жыл бұрын

Right something I might use 😆

@user-bl4oq7fd8d

2 жыл бұрын

because we are all building so many gates here 😅 but seriously it was a good one ;)

@fishfire_2999

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-bl4oq7fd8d Now that I have a confident design gonna build only gates all the way around my house to showoff my new found technique.

@magnumdoniker1490

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah no doubt it's deceiving when you think about it not knowing

Awesome information!

@KingsFineWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Matt. I've been following your Facebook posts on KZread Shorts. So I decided to give it a try. Thanks for your efforts, and sharing!

@keithbryan6073

2 жыл бұрын

I love both of your channels. Having said that, as I have a different Gmail than I used to I need to make sure I'm subscribed with this Gmail to both of you guys channel's! You both create content that is enjoyable to watch while being a wonderful learning experience at the same time. Kudos to both of you!

@stevefisher1807

2 жыл бұрын

Yes if the brace is inside the frame. But if the brace is simply screwed to the corners on the outside of the frame (like many do) does it matter?

@ke6gwf

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevefisher1807 it's actually better to put the brace in tension if it's a wide gate, because thin boards will bow in compression. This is great for small gates though.

@SteveRogers461

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video!!! I've subscribed!!!

Thank you! I am getting ready to build my gate for my back yard. I wasn't even looking but stumbled on your short.

Evidently I made a comment on this video 2 years ago. 😂. I was prompted to comment again. I just wanted to say that this was the clearest explanation and illustration that I have seen on this question. Super easy to understand and will stick in your head when you need it someday.

I’m still astonished that on very rare occasions, I actually learn something useful from KZread shorts.

@leeroymlg4692

2 жыл бұрын

By "useful" you're saying you'll put this knowledge to use?

@Mike-kh9gj

2 жыл бұрын

@@leeroymlg4692 ikr

@jellomarchello2000

2 жыл бұрын

@@leeroymlg4692 yes, someday

@Dr_Ender

2 жыл бұрын

@@leeroymlg4692 Yes because this can also apply to more than just gates.

@Matityahu-the-God

2 жыл бұрын

@@leeroymlg4692 as if people don't build things. It's crazy how quickly someone will play stupid just to make a point.

I will now spend my entire life looking at gates to see if they've been made right. Great.

@dereklyons6885

2 жыл бұрын

Very underrated comment.

@mortenhartvigkristiansen7760

2 жыл бұрын

I know I do.... And I see too many which are made wrong, and sag as a result

@oleomania

2 жыл бұрын

True.

@ce461

2 жыл бұрын

Well they’d be on the ground if they weren’t

@17Scumdog

7 ай бұрын

Welcome to the club 😅

That's right ..just another quick tip , the bottom hinge should be located at the end of the diagonal brace to prevent the weight from warping the end upright and pinching together... top also could spread. Hinge location is important.

I’ve also seen gates with cables that go in the opposite direction in tension, good video!

@bigbossimmotal

6 ай бұрын

Exactly, he never discusses what TYPE of brace you are using. The specific brace he is talking about goes the way he shows, but if it is a cable stay brace, or turnbuckle brace, it goes the opposite.

@fabr5747

6 ай бұрын

The compression vs tension debate is absurd. Having a brace in tension works perfectly, BUT at one specific condition, that the connection between the frame and the brace enables to put the brace in tension. For a wooden fence, you don't need anything specific to put the brace in compression. To put in tension, you need for machining. The brace should be physically connected at the angle to retain it in order to make it work. When a cable is used, this is what happens. There is a connection to induce tension in the cable.

@jmackinjersey1

6 ай бұрын

It doesn't matter, compression is superior to tension. Even those gates with wire tension sag.

@jmackinjersey1

6 ай бұрын

Except the laws of physics completely obliterates your thought process. Compression is always superior to tension in this instance, wire or wood.

@bigbossimmotal

6 ай бұрын

@@jmackinjersey1 Are you trying to say that a wire in compression is superior to a wire in tension? You may want to recheck those laws of physics you are referring to. There is a reason things hang from vertical wires, and are not mounted to the top of them. How much compression weight do you think a wire can handle?

This guys just explained tension and compression forces acting within a structure, better than any engineering mechanics course I have taken. I wish professors just use demos like this, which show the forces in a practical application, instead of resorting to a diagram and saying, yeah this is under compression/ tension. Good job mate.

@KingsFineWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, that’s very kind.

@josephowens7486

2 жыл бұрын

So true... his explanation made me subscribe

@m3talh3ad18

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. I'm an engineering student too. Wish we had such a demonstration as well during our days.

@BlueSkyde

2 жыл бұрын

Fr!! I understood what he was doing but the explanation was so much better than my ME courses😩

@shanel104

2 жыл бұрын

Can i ask where you went to do your course?

It is amazing that once someone points out a simple fact that your brain chose to ignore it becomes obvious. THANK!!

@privategramcracker01

2 жыл бұрын

I get that feeling like my life was a lie when that happens

@jeffreyking2375

2 жыл бұрын

If your brain ignored the fact that brace goes a certain way you should not be doing any diy. Thats like saying I don't understand why they don't just stack bricks directly on top of each other. The brace is not foelr design. And brick lines are not for design. It is to structural sound something your brain should never ignore when it comes to constructing anything.

@Murphskipper

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffreyking2375 Do consider that most people do not analyse the structural integrity and mechanics behind everything they see in their everyday life. Poeple don't just think "Hey I wonder why the brace goes that way", unless actively seeking out the information. I'm sure 90% of people would be able to understand this intuitively once actually faced with the problem, instead of just seeing it passively.

@jrmillerfilms

6 ай бұрын

Hold up, the floating side.

Already watched and liked this video, but every time it comes up again I’ll rewatch and catch myself smiling at how simply the explanation is, and the demonstration articulates why you should build things in certain ways. Phenomenal mate!

As a boilermaker who fabricates farm gates amongst a number of other things, I actually build my gates the other way, as the steel tube I use is much stronger under tension and the welds are more than strong enough. Great little demo of this principle. Pythagarus would have had a real hard on for this short.

@gallagher68

6 ай бұрын

When makeing a welded frame, I X brace to embrace compression and tension support. It also looks nice. Tension support works with metal due to mechanical and material properties, wood however will generally have higher compressive resistance than tension.

@teddytavernier7522

6 ай бұрын

@@gallagher68i think its more a function of the joining methods. Welds don’t get loose, nails and screws do

@justinbewley179

6 ай бұрын

I've noticed pipe fences that are big and robust but due to the style and location of hinge point made them sag in no time , plus if u got sag and wobble and where it's pinned to a wood post that hole will open

@gallagher68

6 ай бұрын

@@teddytavernier7522 Agreed, that is what I meant about mechanical (screws, fasteners, welds) and materials (what mechanical options are available due to material properties and how they react). you can weld steel and still have a weak structure due to improper design/material choices. If a perfect solution is improperly executed, or an imperfect solution is properly executed it will fail. My mechanical/structural engineering background gets in the way of my communications, I have half a conversation in my head and fail to communicate.

@gordbaker896

6 ай бұрын

The pipe is stronger under compression and allows for corrosion of welds.

Literally one of the best shorts I’ve seen. Informative, relative, and concise. Bravo, my man!

@michaelbiniakewitz2329

2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree and wish a blonde that looks like my ex in just panties walked in to give him tools or whatever

@homelessman2257

6 ай бұрын

only useful if you don't know how to use a nail. you are really taking what he said at face value, and not thinking about it.

This might be one of my favorite shorts ever. Clear, concise explanation with a very nice demonstration.

@ChristophFretter

7 ай бұрын

Except that it's all wrong

@Goibniu001

7 ай бұрын

@@ChristophFretterI'll bite; do elaborate.

@ChristophFretter

7 ай бұрын

@Goibniu001 well obviously it can't take tensile force if you don't screw or nail it in. If you do you'll find that you can get away with way less material or a larger gate in the tensile configuration. That's because of buckling happening under compression way before material failure.

@Goibniu001

7 ай бұрын

@@ChristophFretter Thank you for your explanation.

@karlkoehler341

7 ай бұрын

@@ChristophFretterIf it's your garden gate, the buckling will be held in check by the slats. Nails or screws will work loose in changing weather and tension will be lost. So unless you specifically design for tension, he's right.

You've worked out the most valid demonstration of gate bracing I've ever seen. Most just tell. You show.

Simple. Short. And an entertaining demonstration of topic. I hope shorts like these are what all this generation of KZread raised children see.

Me, a student living in a dorm in the middle of a city: hmmm, yes, that is the information worth remembering

@billaros1000

2 жыл бұрын

Consider it an opportunity to learn something about how materials work, if you couldn't answer the question and explain why

@mrminks214

2 жыл бұрын

Accurate

@InfiniteDarkMass

2 жыл бұрын

So, did you remember it?

FYI, if the "brace" is a tension cord it goes the other way. Instead of the top of the gate sitting on the block style "brace," the bottom of the gate is held up by the tension cord style of "brace".

@Ry_Guy

2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad someone mentioned it

@Kcrunchymunch

2 жыл бұрын

I'm so confused now

@AnonymousMycologist

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kcrunchymunch Gravity means that one diagonal is under compression and the other is under tension, because if the end of the gate were to fall, one set of corners would come closer together (under compression) and one set would move further apart (under tension). You want to resist those forces in order to support the gate. The wooden brace supports the gate because it resists compression. If the wooden brace is in tension, the only thing supporting it is the nail (or whatever) you use to install the brace. It's hard to compress a wooden brace, so you install it such that you use that to support the compression direction. A tension cord is different. It's loose, and if you compress it, it will just go slack. However in tension, they're very strong. So if you want to use it to support the gate, you place it along the diagonal that would be stretched if the end of the gate were to fall down in order to resist that stretching. Hopefully this makes some sense :)

@NitroNinja324

2 жыл бұрын

@Dave DDM Chill, my boy.

@MrJFoster1984

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnonymousMycologist doesn't really make sense, you mention gravity which is somewhat confusing as it doesn't exist 🤣

Exactly what I needed! Thanks for the clear demonstration with the model😊

Excellent!!! So THIS is why my catio door hangs wrong. Thanks!!

Yo someday, I’m gonna pull this out of my back pocket and look like a badass

It’s also important to note that with wooden gates that are going to be considerably heavy they will still sag a little with time, weather and water and will cause the wood to expand and contract loosening up some of your fasteners which may cause the gate to sag a little more. So you don’t want to build the gate to be flush up to the fence when building it, I normally leave a 3/4 inch gap just so that the gate latch can reach but still has enough room for the gate to not rub up against the post

@Jacob-zv7xw

2 жыл бұрын

thanks sherlock

@meerkat8090

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jacob-zv7xw hey, some people just don’t know 🤷‍♂️ So you should tell them. Like this whole video is pretty a commonly well known technique but they made it anyways right?

@niketuck9687

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jacob-zv7xw asa

@N00B283

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jacob-zv7xw nice please don’t teach anybody anything

@oleomania

2 жыл бұрын

Also, for the frame to be square during most of it's lifetime, you don't build it exactly square in the first place. You let it tend to be a little more upright, so when it settles down a bit, it will be just right.

Love when people explain things simple and clearly

This only applies to wood gates with wood reinforcements, using screws/nails for securement. Steel gate with welded steel brace would work better in tension (the opposite of this wood brace). Wood gate with steel cable brace would only work in tension. This video was great.

The orientation of the brace depends on the material used. In this illustration timber is better in compression. When steel is used it should be in tension to prevent buckling.

@GabrielMarques001

2 жыл бұрын

True, but timber will buckle even more. Only in this small sample gate the compression seems stiffer. The big problem is water, when the wood absorbs the rain it stretches and the gate touches the ground when in tensile mode.

@1234Guitarman1234

2 жыл бұрын

This is also true for wood, wood is much stronger in tension than it is in compression. 2 to 3 times stronger. So you can use half the wood in tension and have the same effect. You just need to make sure your end connections can make use of (support) the applied loads. If it were clamped or glued it would be better in tension. If you are just jamming it in the gap like this chap then you need to put the brace in compression as it isn't fixed.

@djmintyfreshful

2 жыл бұрын

@@1234Guitarman1234 that’s not strictly true no, I just looked up the compressive and tensile strengths for woods. Hickory for example has a higher compressive strength than tensile strength.

@moynihanigan

2 жыл бұрын

@@djmintyfreshful The compression strength value doesn't account for buckling. A slender piece of wood attached at two ends will fail in buckling at much lower loads than it would fail in tension.

@pascal590

2 жыл бұрын

@@1234Guitarman1234 ok that’s what I was thinking like the brace isn’t even connected to the frame so how could it even be under tension??

The diagonal brace orientation depends on the material of the brace and or the material of the gate itself. For instance if you were to make this same gate out of steel and weld it together it would actually be stronger in the other direction as steel is stronger under tension than it is under compression. If you were building a wooden gate that had joints that did not use fasteners such as you might find in traditional Japanese building techniques. The brace may be more ideal in the opposite direction. Typically wood is stronger under compression than it is under tension but there are mounting techniques to increase woods strength under tension. Also if you were to run this same wooden gate we see in the video but use a steel cable and come along mechanism you would want the orientation opposite the direction he suggested. In short the direction of your brace should reflect whether or not the gate was built under tension or compression.

Great info! Bought a house with a big Double gate and a single gate that are giving me trouble, they were ALL built incorrectly. Now I see what I have to do to repair, Thanks for the info. Have a great day!

@AJPemberton

7 ай бұрын

It is amazing how many gates are installed upside down. And a little amusing to see one incorrect installation get copied on new gates along the road. Don't know if it would be easier, but a cable could be an alternative to rehanging the gates.

Oh dang, first time i actually learned something useful scrolling through shorts in a while

The same concept applies when "heel and toeing" Packers around the glass in a side opening door or window. You are looking to give the same diagonal bracing effect in order to hold the frame square.

@M.Godfrey

2 жыл бұрын

And then fill it’s guts with expanding foam

@Lambzalot

2 жыл бұрын

Bro I thought you were talking about the shifting technique and I was do confused for a sec

@jacobdesailles6135

2 жыл бұрын

Bruh was litterally about to cpmment this

@steverossen2816

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lambzalot me too. Like, I don’t think there’s that much physics involved in a shifting technique.

@Lambzalot

2 жыл бұрын

@@steverossen2816 still don't know what he's talking about, just what he's not. You got any idea?

I need to repair my mom's gate and this is extremely helpful. Thank you.

great demonstration and explanation of this subject

Finally. Straight forward, simple and use of nomenclature. Thank you.

You could have a tension piece if you wanted with the correct connection piece…or using a wire. I would agree that a compression piece would works the best.

@theupscriber65

2 жыл бұрын

That's what I did. Used a cable with a turnbuckle to lift the bottom outside edge. A month later the wooden gate bowed like a C shape.

@TheLtVoss

2 жыл бұрын

Well I can say that it is depending on the material and how it all is attached together If it is wood compression is a bit better but with steel it is way better too to go with tention that saves alot of material and therefore weight

An actually useful short. Thank you for this. I like feeling like I’m really learning

Thats probably the most educational thing ill see on KZread this week

Simple demonstration is so helpful! TY!🤗🤗🤗

"It turns out putting the brace in the right position gives you considerable structure strength"

@HiVizCamo

2 жыл бұрын

See, you're not an idiot after all!

Good point & works well with a solid brace. Whenever I'm trying to fix an existing sagging gate, I use metal strapping in tension for a quick fix. :)

This. This is why shorts are good. Excellent work sir.

Thanks for pointing that out. I took that information and had two double security gates repaired under warranty because the truss bars were installed wrong, from a supposedly professional fencing company.

This is a great explanation. Love the scale model to show why as well. Thanks for the video

@nikip9161

2 жыл бұрын

I second your comment, I love stuff like this 😊👍🌻

The way I remember is I imagine I’m building a bracket, as if for a shelf.

Wow. I've never seen a better demonstration for this.

I Love this. Short, Sweet and shows everything you need with no BS. More videos need to be like this!!!

The properties in action are so well explained here that I actually want to build a gate. Great video!

The tension member doesn’t work as it needs to be connected to develop the tension (the compression member works by bearing at both ends). Depending on the type of material, cross sectional properties and length, a tension member may be preferable to avoid other issues like compressive buckling.

@hazelhill1678

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, it's a bit unrealistic to expect a wooden tension member to function if it's not connected at both ends. Wood is far stronger in tension than compression!

@polystyrene_gangster

2 жыл бұрын

Had to scroll a bit for the correct answer. The advantage of the proposed orientation though is that you don't need a very solid connection for it to work. All the other connections have to be tight though so it's a moot point.

@brandsthatcreatelitter1648

2 жыл бұрын

exactly, not a fair demonstration

@mattkilsby947

2 жыл бұрын

Weird that I had to scroll so far before seeing someone point this out. You could stick a steel rod in there in tension and would fail the exact same way (there are no fixings - of course it’s going to fall out!)

@joshua.merrill

2 жыл бұрын

I think for tension, having adjustability is important. Even metal will stretch over time and use, so having a threaded rod or cable that you can tighten over years is better. I’ve always heard tension is better than compression.

When my nephew was moaning about physics being boring and pointless, I demonstrated using this principle on a shelf. He didn't think it would make any difference, and was genuinely shocked that it did. I wasn't able to explain the forces involved, I'm not that smart, but having some fundamental understanding of physics, and being logical about what you're doing can make life a lot easier.

Fantastic video. Short, concise, educational, high-value, and good prop.

A real gate would have the diagonal piece nailed or screwed at the ends, so you could have it in tension if you trust your attachments. Tension would also be better if you have a long, slender diagonal beam that has a chance to buckle if it was in compression. Also, in some cases like with a very wide gate, it is advantageous (lighter weight) to use a diagonal cable instead, which naturally must be oriented to be in tension.

@benrivenbark

Жыл бұрын

John thank you for being the voice of reason here. So many people acting like this is amazing without fully considering things.

@vphls

8 ай бұрын

yeah not in tension at all with no pins

@kennethhumphries2930

7 ай бұрын

Gateguy: "Tension member by itself won't even hold up the gate." & drops loose parts out of his hand. Well... Duh. Be careful of his compression gate. His brace will likely just fall out on you.

@kkarllwt

7 ай бұрын

Put in tension if the length of the brace is more then 70 times the least dimension of the brace.

@MattTakesPhotos

7 ай бұрын

Wouldn't putting a cable with a turnbuckle high point at the top of the hinges give you compression integrity and adjustability with plenty of strength and less weight. Seems like over time it would be less likely to warp and buckle under weight streain too. ETA - Before I get roasted, please keep in mind I've never built an actual gate, just trying to work this out in my head. I just re-read what the original commenter said and realized I've more or less become a parrot.

This is extremely interesting. Engineering at it’s finest

I so enjoy videos explaining how to do something that's been done for centuries.

At last a correct description.

This is only accurate for a narrow gate. If the gate is wide, a thin board in compression will bow out, and putting it in tension by bolting the ends will be stronger.

@Platinum1812

2 жыл бұрын

Right and if you don't anchor the brace at all of course the tensile strength is zero. This video doesn't make fair showing of the two options.

@williamwinder5011

2 жыл бұрын

It will only bow if you use too thin a brace.

@nirodper

2 жыл бұрын

and actually a thin strip/bar of metal or a steel wire is much better than wood

@ke6gwf

2 жыл бұрын

@@williamwinder5011 how thick a brace would you use under compression for a 12 foot horse gate?

@anthonymason701

2 жыл бұрын

Cable-tensioner with a turnbuckle works well too

"You've got no integrity." "Yer, or maybe you didn't give me the correct framework." Said the gate back to its maker.

Thank you, sir!! Glad to see a basic but correct video!

I built a gate with the compression diagonal. My neighbor thought that I had constructed it wrong, but after he saw my kid swinging on it, he realize the intelligence of having a compression rather than the tension, and it stood for years!

The craftsmanship alone with his gate shouldn’t go unnoticed, very skilled 🙏🏼

@Mr1121628

Жыл бұрын

4 pieces of wood screwed together? Yeah that’s some fine craftsmanship right there…

@Ughitshuber

Жыл бұрын

@@Mr1121628 not only did I comment that 10 months ago weirdo, but you also have clearly not built a thing in your life. Takes a craftsman to notice craft.

@googgog4607

7 ай бұрын

​@@Mr1121628 It looks like nice craftsmanship to me. The bits are cut well and clean. I know a lot of gates that have been done far more sloppy. Actually your disregard seems rather uninformed to me.

@jackster2568

6 ай бұрын

​@@googgog4607No, you just don't know how to do any quality work with your hands so anything simple amazes you. Bur it's not your fault if you were never taught.

Thank you!! I'm building a project for my wood working class and this actually solved a huge problem I was having!!

Thank you sir. Straight to the point. No BS. 👍

Learned it, forgot it, tried to remember, found the video again. Thank you

This is something that I have considered and found no answer online. Thank you, because I have wanted to make a small garden with fencing around it to keep our horses away from the vegetables. Also a larger walk-in chicken coop. Door/gate structure was the only part I really wasn't sure how to brace properly.

@kevinrichard1020

2 жыл бұрын

Little tip. This is a simple truss system learned by all civil engineering students, with a quick search on how to resolve truss forces using method of joints or method of section you could design this within an hour :) hope this helps!

As an engineering student currently taking a stairs course and currently in a trusses unit, this buttered my crescent 😂

@Kaiokendrew

2 жыл бұрын

Student sparky here, good luck with your studies :)

@medicbabe2ID

2 жыл бұрын

I hope y'all are doing well!

@Kaiokendrew

2 жыл бұрын

@@medicbabe2ID ❤️

Wow!!! A useful piece of information in a KZread short. Not a hack Not a 3rd hand piece of advice Just good engineering advice. Thanks!!!

This is an answer to a question that everyone at some point has wondered, but felt stupid asking, as if it should be obvious. Now I know, I won't forget. Thanks.

Thank you sir 🙏 I have been building since early 80's however we appreciate all your knowledge for home owners. Thank-you bruh

This is fantastic thank you so much We have high winds here and we need to build a very strong gate.

Excellent demo! Thank you!

Finally! Something useful on the internet.

My 8th grade shop teacher told us a brave always “leans into the opening” and Ive always remembered that saying.

Can anyone else just “feel” when stuff like this is in the correct position? I can just feel when something will collapse or not.

@andrejoubert3033

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I felt it too, except, ... I was wrong LOL

@pastek93

2 жыл бұрын

You should be engineer or something

@Tru3n0mad

2 жыл бұрын

@@pastek93 i should have gone to college

@nonamehi

2 жыл бұрын

Yes that feeling u get can be explained scientifically.

@cognitive-carpenter

2 жыл бұрын

You can't rely on feelings. That's why mistakes occur

This is the best demonstration that I have seen so far.

To add a some more insurance against sag, you could add a steel cable in the opposite direction. Just be sure the anchor points are very secure and it is adjustable as the cable will stretch a little over time.

@chrisjstewart72

2 жыл бұрын

Why bother wasting your time….!!!!!..

@CH67guy1

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisjstewart72 I was thinking the same! I don’t see what the cable would add.

This is a huge "duh" moment for some like myself, and a giant mystery solved for many others 🤣

@johncoops6897

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. I cannot believe that ANYONE who would be building a gate wouldn't be able to work it out. I am constantly stunned at the stupidity of the average person, but what is REALLY scary is that half the people are more stupid than that.

@jexy_marshall

2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad for this post, so I didn't have to do it. The most amazing part of this video is the amount of comments of people who are amazed at something so simple.

@maxrybold1531

2 жыл бұрын

@@jexy_marshall here here, I mean a lot of ppl assume this stuff is a given and perhaps those individuals have forgotten that they learned it at some point, where others haven't until now!

@johncoops6897

2 жыл бұрын

@@maxrybold1531 - Smart people can work things out without having to be taught. Often that learning is most effectively done by DOING, which a lot of KZread commenters have never actually done.

@casey6488

2 жыл бұрын

@@johncoops6897 yeah I agree. Intuition is very important. I guess not a lot of people have it.

Thx for that simple yet functional tip. I weld my metal gates and it helps to provide the correct orientation

Best explanation of anything, ever.

That was a really nice way of explaining it! Looking forward to more videos from you 🙂

Without attaching the brace of course it works this way. Usually corners are not not a single pivot. Also brace is usually on top bolted and not in the frame.

@vinylsp

2 жыл бұрын

I am glad you pointed that out. I have built many a vinyl fence gate. Built this way they will sag, because the brace is attached on the outside it must be attached opposite of what the video suggests. 20 years later my gates still aren’t sagging.

@toykawilliams3273

2 жыл бұрын

You two seem to know what your talking about. My DH built a gate that began falling apart rather quickly. How do I decipher what you are saying to english? 🙃😀

@garymorgan2095

2 жыл бұрын

@@vinylsp must be the picket in the gate that the brace is attached to max out at the top of gate for that to happen

@robertweekley5926

2 жыл бұрын

Do both! Compression "In" the Core, and Tension, "On the Side", join them at the Crossing Point, as well, to lock that Double Triangle together! For an even Stronger Support! (Don't save a Penny, just to lose a Pound, or a Dollar!)

@vinylsp

2 жыл бұрын

@@toykawilliams3273 The video shows a wooden gate with an internal diagonal brace. As the video demonstrated, it works brilliantly. This method would not work on a vinyl fence gate. With vinyl fencing there is some flex with the material, so the diagonal brace needs to be attached at the top of the hinged side, the brace then runs diagonally down on the outside of the gate frame as apposed to the inside. A cable and turnbuckle can be used, although I prefer not to because they tend to stretch overtime and constantly need adjustments. We never made a gate over five feet without a double post (single post is also always filled with concrete and rebar) filled with concrete and rebar. I always adjusted the striker on the gate to just rest on the latch when the gate closes, this allows the gate to not always be under tension. It all depends on the material you are building the gate with, one method that works with wood may not with vinyl etc. hope this helps in some way.

This demo is epic! Well done!

This is what I was hoping all youtube shortz was going to be like. YOUR THE MAN

You forgot to mention that wood is 4x stronger in tension than it is in compression… you do need to attach it for it to work though.

I'd love to see how a cross vs a diagonal braces to see their strength by testing the same gates with that support being different and testing how much weight they hold.

Running wood fence it took a WHILE to teach my trainees the "gate leverage principal". Thank you for the quick easy demo!

ME: Has zero land living in a big city ALSO ME: *takes notes on fence building*

The diagonal wood brace that’s described as a tension member will only act as a tension member if it’s ends are actually connected to the frame. If connected the tension member will prevent the gate from sagging just as effectively as the compression brace. If steel rods were used instead of wood members, the steel rod in tension would likely be more effective because the steel rod in compression would likely buckle if its diameter isn’t large enough.

This was short and to the point - brilliant. Thankyou!

Yessir. The diagonal should transfer load back to the post. Excellent demonstration.

This only applies if, as in his demonstration, the brace is not fixed, so it cannot act in beam effect under tension.

@WeighedWilson

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. This demonstration was certainly designed to exaggerate the point. A single pivot on each corner and the beams relieved so that they pivot freely.

@CaIicoJak

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@kameljoe21

2 жыл бұрын

The whole point is to show that the weight from the gate pulls it down. If you install the brace the wrong way the gate will sag. If you install it the correct way, The further outward top point will be supported by the brace to which then direct the load to the hinged area. These are simple and effective ways to build things. There are millions of example of people who build things wrong all the time and the one correct way is still functional after many years.

@marysstilllearning5803

2 жыл бұрын

If you don't mind I have a question. You implied it's not fixed, attached? just a tight fit? I'm making window shutters, so the center brace should not be attached. Nailed,glued, stapled?won't it come loose after multiple uses?

@brandsthatcreatelitter1648

2 жыл бұрын

@@marysstilllearning5803 No the opposite, the brace must be attached somehow, in order for the load to be transmitted. I meant his conclusions only apply, if the brace can move freely, i.e. it is strong when glued, nailed or jointed somehow.

I learned the hard way haha, thank you brother. That was a great example

@saaby8694

2 жыл бұрын

Same 😑

Not only is the info great, but his model is made so well

Teaching tension /compression diagrams is a better way to understand

A wire brace would go in the opposite detection. Place accordingly with the material you use.

@GidDree

2 жыл бұрын

That's absolutely correct, opposite of a solid structure 👍

@jamesthornton4121

2 жыл бұрын

Wire braces are almost guaranteed to warp your gate. Since they are pulling up on the bottom rail the force will bend the gate toward the side the cable is mounted on. Old school is best; just make sure your hinge post is very well supported, ideally with an overhead beam from hinge post to latch post.

@lukeskywalker7457

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesthornton4121 true. Yeah I am a fan of the over head beams. Every spring the ground sure softens up

@GidDree

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesthornton4121 that exact thing happened to me 👍

@Adrian_Nel

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, the key word would be "tension" (as per the gentleman's own comments). Thank you for pointing this out.

Thank you, good sir. I will never forget this.

@peterfranklin6021

2 жыл бұрын

Please do. Its utterly idiotic. He even explains that the other way would be in tension. How can it be in tension just sitting there? This is rediculous nonsence.

Great video! I just built mine following your explanation. Thanks and God bless.

I always thought those diagonal pieces were just an aesthetic choice. I'm going to remember this in line 10 years when I find myself building a random gate

30 plus years in the trades, I started my own business building decks and fences in the early 90s. This is one of the best " carpentry "related tips I've seen on here. He does a great job explaining how and why this is the correct way to frame a gate.

@Sigmatic850

7 ай бұрын

Notice, the fact that the support piece is cut to fit between both perpendicular pieces of the frame on each end.

@EngNerdGMN

6 ай бұрын

Except it's not "the correct" way. There's nothing wrong with running that same member in tension so long as you're not expecting to use *air* as your fasteners.

Ah yes thank you, i’ll be sure to remember this when i ever decide to build a gate in my life