From an amateur, high handicapper’s perspective, Wilson golf ball is a winner all the way. We are not talking about the tour players here; we are talking about the amateur golfers, mostly high handicappers who are not interested in 6-8 yards extra range, at less than half the price of Pro V1s. For me, it’s Wilson Duo Soft every time. Happy golfing!

The Duo Soft are for golfers under 90MHP swing speed. A golfer at 85-90 verses the PV-1 using the Wilson Duo are almost head to head. PV-1 are the best out there without a doubt. But for the lower swing speed the Duo is a great ball

As a Senior (66) I find the Wilson Duo Soft to be a great ball around the whole course

@2ndswing

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your feedback! And the ball is a reasonable price - Thomas

The Wilson balls are $19.99/dozen vs ProV $49.00/dozen. ProV more than twice the price with the only advantage is distance off the driver. Not very impressive for a "premium" ball. Love these comparison videos. Great content.

@2ndswing

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback!

@kswan2234

9 ай бұрын

exactly!

Silly comparison.... you would of been better comparing the ProV1x with the Wilson Staff Duo Professional which is half the price of the Titleist

@BobThebuilder-my9zh

Жыл бұрын

He did compare the pro V1x 😭

Nice review, but I think you had your mind made up before you did the test by the way you were comparing the two. Reviews of golf balls can only matter if a hitting machine is used, human nature will always play a part in judgement. For me the Pro V golf balls I have played tend to end up off the fairway quite a bit, don't know about the Wilson. Would love to see a machine test of these two and say Maxfli and Srixon sometime.

This was a good comparison, Thomas. Sure, the Wilson is half the price of the Pro V1X, but it's still interesting to see how significant the results can perhaps be when paying less. I am a senior golfer with a 75MPH driver speed, and hit drives around 185. I have alternated between a budget ball (TruFeel, Duo) and premium (Pro V1X). In reality, I cannot tell any difference in my drives, despite the ball. Re the oft-mentioned aspect of stopping power, I have done many tests. For my pitches and chips, the minor amount of extra rollout with the cheaper ball is only a couple of yards' difference. My takeaway is that all of these balls perform very similarly. And for we higher handicappers, is it that big of a deal if a wedge shot goes a couple more yards with a cheaper ball? We're usually not good enough to hit stop-and-drops anyway.

The Wilson Duo Soft is designed for players with slow swing speed. It would be interesting to see a matchup of the two balls with a golfer who's swing speed is below 80 mph.

Cool to see you guys getting in to golf ball comparisons! As a side point, you guys may want to invest in a higher quality mic :)

@2ndswing

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Craig. We are working on the mic/audio trying a few different options stay tuned for better audio once we get through content already filmed.

I'd like to see the top 3 best selling balls in three price ranges compared. Maybe under 25, 35 and 45 dollars? No one's choosing between a Duo Soft and a Pro V1. Try Duo Soft against Srixon Soft Feel or something like that.

Looking forward to it!

This is my favorite KZread channel for golf product info! Great job!!!

@2ndswing

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

110mph + swing speed are the only people that should be using a prov 1 or a pro vx. Period. Period. Do your homework chaps. Google has an array of knowledge on what ball to use under 95 mph swing speed. Compression and feel is key for this mph range. Plus the low spin rate is unmatched. If spin is key to ur game place ball alittle up in stance hit higher trajectory on short irons wedges the ball will stop on spot iam a 4 handicap been playing for 35 years with a 85-95 mph swing speed the wilson duo plus has gained me 15 yds on my drives and keeps me in fairway 90% fairway percentage. The cover gets dinged up bad only only disadvantage . prov 1 and x r rocks rocks chaps.

So, off the irons the Wilson was better because they traveled farther. Knowing that I could switch to an 8 iron and get the same distance the Titleist. That would increase the spin and give me a softer feel off the irons. Should I pay more money to pick up 8 yards on my Driver? If I have 100 yards in with a ProV1 and 108 with the Wilson what am I doing? Both distances are the same wedge which the Duo was better off wedge shots right?

Hey Thomas...miss dead center much? Try hitting a Pro V1x ball out of center, closer to the toe. It’s a brutal feel. Yardage lost is huge compared to new Duo Soft+. I use both in my home sim and the only real distance loss with the Duo is the driver at ~125-130 MPH ball speed. Spin is actually too low with driver BUT I’m in the fairway or just off compared to the ProV, which can end up wet or in the woods. Thanks for the video!

@2ndswing

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting feedback, thank you! One thing we've been toying with is testing how clubs and balls perform specifically when contact is made on the heel or on the toe.

Great video Thomas, I currently play the ad3333 Srixon, after seeing this video I am going to try the Srixon distance which is cheaper , simply because there is not enough of a difference between the 2 balls you just tried to justify the difference in price. Maybe you could try the Srixon distance in another video. Love the content. 👍

@2ndswing

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching!! We'll add the Srixon distance to the list as well

Dry ball testing is great and I thank you for doing this test. What I would really like to see is that same 7 iron approach to a green on a real world test with Trackman or GC Quad data as well. We know the numbers but what I think we would all love to see is what happens to that wedge or 7 iron approach shot on the course. Is there enough spin on the wedge with the Wilson ball for it to hop and stop w/in a yard or two? How far does that 7 iron roll out on an approach shot with both balls etc? I know it's a lot more work and more complicated but it would fantastic content and real world data.

@2ndswing

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment and for watching Johnny! This is the type of test we would love to do and will definitely try to put together come spring time when the golf courses open back up in Minnesota!

I game the Snell MTB Black ball and use Wilson Duo Spin during the shoulder of the season and the numbers you've shown are on or about what I would have expected based on what I see in the field. What surprised me though was the spin consistency of the Wilson with 7 iron and driver. I didn't expect that. I just figured the theme from the 50 degree would continue.

@2ndswing

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Thomas may have been extra consistent on those 5 shots, we can see how the dispersion was good with the duo soft but significantly less ball speed with driver, and significantly less spin with 7 iron.

Pretty amazing that the Wilson spin consistency is better than the Titleist with driver and irons. I was surprised by that. I agree that it would be interesting to see the same comparison with a slower swinger. 👍🏼

@2ndswing

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. Future content we can bring in a slower swing speed player or Thomas can swing 10mph swing speed to see differences. Spin consistency is important but consistently spinning significantly low was a concern for Thomas's swing.

What would happen in comparison with a low swin speed?.Surely the differences would be smaller ..and at half the price. Or to be faur compare to the urethane cover "professional". It feels soft with the putter and with good stop with wedge and medium irons.

Predictable results for someone with your CHS. It would have been interesting if you had also had someone with slower (more typical) swing speeds (e.g. the young lady who has featured in some of your videos) do the same.

@2ndswing

3 жыл бұрын

Mike, thanks for watching! We have future content planned with the young lady, she is the perfect candidate as her swing is quite repatable, stay tuned.

Very informative, great content

@2ndswing

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

I hate prov1x - like hitting rocks. I much prefer Pro V1s - they feel awesome off the club face.

@chrissilkwood5439

2 жыл бұрын

I concur. I took 5 different balls to the chipping green, and the worst was the pro v1x, felt dead, like a rock... like the 1 or 2 iron, it deserves the bottom of the lake

Nice, but question...if you had a target 200 yards out you could use 7 iron with the wilson and a 6 iron with the titleist. What would-be drop the spin? Isnt golf playing to a target?

@2ndswing

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Harry its player dependent. If I used a 6iron with the Titleist ball the spin would be about 700 rpm less, still not as low as the 7 iron with the Duo Soft. Golf is playing to a yardage but keep in mind the Prov1x will stop faster so if you have a bunker at the front of the green and pin on front of the green its going to be very hard to get the ball closer with a lower spinning ball

Looking at the dispersion chart, at my high-handicap level, I'll take the Wilson, ultimate landing of the balls was almost identical.

Nothing beats a Pro V1 in my opinion but DuoSoft for less than half the price is a good ball for most golfers.

@Anthonille

Жыл бұрын

Its half the price

Can you compare ProV1x against Kirkland golf ball ? Also big difference in price. Thanks, great video.

@darrell3118

3 жыл бұрын

Save your money on the Kirkland, I bought a few dozen and they are 10-20 yards shorter than other balls!!! I played them last year at my local course that I have played for 35 years and has lots of shots that carry water and have come up short every time I play these balls , I hit any other ball form the same distance and I carry the water like I have for 35 years!! If you buy them plan on going up 1-2 clubs as they suck!!

Thomas not sure that many of us swing a driver at your speed, although very informative I would of loved if you could try swinging the driver at about 95mph and do the same again, I'm sure this would to really useful to z wide range of players, thanks great work

@2ndswing

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Keith. For future content I can defienlty swing slower to show differences. For less speed you will see the numbers get closer together but with my swing tendancy I already need spin so I need a high spinning ball with my irons and wedges.

I suspect on an average swing speed player Thomas these two balls would be much closer together. I like a soft feel ball and game the titleist true feel, tour soft or srixon soft feel and get better results from these than the pro v or top end tour balls. Just don't think the high end balls are worth the money unless your a very low / scratch golfer

@2ndswing

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Darren this is Thomas. Yes with less speed these numbers will be closer together. Golf ball is player dependent and how a player compresses the ball.

It's nice to see some data collected that correlates to my thoughts. I have played with some players who can get the most out of a ProV1. However, for my game...less distance off the tee could be a good thing because if you don't have as much control then shortened distance off the tee can be a benefit. I like Wilson balls and unless you have lots of control in your game then they tend to be the sweet spot of distance vs control...imho. Perhaps this is not correct thinking about golfing, but I don't have much more time to put into the game than I already do. Anyway good content.

Would a comparison with a Pro V1 not Pro v1X been a better test/ comparison.

@2ndswing

3 жыл бұрын

Could be, given the construction of the ball. Perhaps we'll shoot another in the future with the Pro V1!

Please note this is an expensive 3 pc PV 1x versus a cheaper 2 pc Duo Soft. I play both plus the Spalding Tour SD X which is a PV 1x clone. My driver swing speed is about 90 mph. The one biggie for PV 1 and 1x is usually lower dispersion though your data does not show it except on scatter plot of 5 shots with the driver. The irons were very close. Really too small a sampling though. The PV1x with high compression (harder) feels better when pounding with the driver. Off the irons it feels hard while Wilson is nice and soft to me. The PV1x seems slightly longer off my driver. Stopping power on the greens gives the edge to PV 1x. The Wilson is half the price and for most players it works fine. The biggie in your data is the driver dispersion (straight or staying online). This is where Titliest shines. I find fairways slightly more with PV1x versus the Wilson. However the difference is usually pretty small. As far as around the greens including putting; slight edge to PV1x. For a cheaper 2 pc ball - the Wilson is pretty darn close to the PV 1x

You tested two very different balls. I'd like to see a comparison with a more similar budget ball.

@2ndswing

3 жыл бұрын

Noted, thanks for the feedback! What model did you have in mind?

@CraftBrewBen

3 жыл бұрын

@@2ndswing the Cut Golf balls are great. Vice, Snell, Wilson makes a more comparable ball along with a bunch of others. Top Flight even stepped it up with their gamer ball.

So looking at accuracy and distance the marginal difference of 3-8 yards vs the Price per Dozen difference of $25-35 in my opinion only means something if you're playing for Money Every Outing to the Course with Very Good Players...If you're not skilled enough to beat a Kid playing on Good High School Golf Team is the Premier Ball Worth It??

Great to see 😅comparison with 80 mph and even consider Wilson 50 Elite

You should test the Pro V1 X against an inexpensive ball with a little more compression, like a Top Flite Bomb or Hammer.

@2ndswing

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Mike thanks for watching. We actually completed a similar test earlier this year. Here is the link: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dn9sucuKpc3XoLA.html

Hi...comparing Wilson's duo soft and a Titleist pro v1 x, is not actually and apple to apple comparison...but maybe a Wilson's FG tour model or the new Wilson Staff model balls would suffice a comparable. Anyway, great content though👍

Basically what I got is there isn't that much of a difference between these two except spin and 5mph

Wilson duo golf balls are pretty good an a GREAT price point I am a believer keep in the fairway distance is not always good

@2ndswing

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your feedback! - Thomas

Just came upon this video. The Wilson ball is not meant for you! If you had a senior golfer with say a 10 handicap doing the test I would suggest that both ball would be fairly equal. The difference would be seen in putting, which ball would be preferable.

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

Start from the putting green and work your way back for fitting a golf ball. Good advice - Thomas

The balls I find mostly in rough are never Wilson or Top Flite...usually ProV

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! - Thomas

the wilson isn't fitted for your swing speed, with a much lower swing speed the wilson would react differently, with the wedge not much difference but as you move up your speed increases and the softness comes into play more, by the time you are hitting driver it's like hitting a pillow the wilson over compresses and you lose ball speed, but when you turn 60 you might give this ball a try, just saying

@2ndswing

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Ric. We agree its important to fit for your swing speed. We could see that "hitting a pillow" effect with the driver ball speed number comparison between the two balls. Future videos we plan on bringing in slower swing speed talent or I can swing significantly slower. stay tuned.

@chrissilkwood5439

2 жыл бұрын

right, there was a study by a UK golf magazine that stated just that.

@zazhou

2 жыл бұрын

Agree, slower driver swing speeds (80 to 90 mph) get more distance with soft compression balls than hard premium balls. This video comparison of soft vs hard proves only that high swing speed golfers should play harder, premium golf balls rather than very soft compression balls. Had this video been done at slow swing speeds, meaning considerably below the 94 mph average golfer, the results would show the opposite and that slow swing speed golfers should play soft balls instead of the harder premium balls.

Who uses the driver on every shot? The numbers on the Titleist on the driver were great, but Wilson did better on the midirons and fairly equal on the wedges... so if one adds up ALL the yards from each club test, they are just about even for total yardage on a given hole... and remember the drivers are left in the bag on par 3's. Also, the dispersion circle drawn on the Wilson looked bigger than it needed to be... but then again, what do I know, I don't make money selling golf equipment.

@zazhou

2 жыл бұрын

You are right. In this test, driver followed by 7 iron would be slightly longer in total distance for the Wilson ball and for driver/wedge combo slightly longer for Pro V1. That probably means that driver/8 or 9 iron combo would give same total distance. However, this can only be said for very high swing speed golfer. For lower than average swing speed golfers, the results would show longer distances for the Wilson ball.

I think you just went to pick the best values for the proV1x. For example you picked the dispersion with the 7 iron, but not with the driver. You picked the spin consistency with the wedge, but not with the 7 iron. You were basically biased and wanted to say pro V1x is better.. D’oh, it costs 3 times the price of the Wilson. I think for a lot of people the Wilson will be way more appealing than the Titleist. I myself don’t do 300yds anyway with the driver, I won’t lose 8yds for sure using the Wilson.

If you are a pro, or someone that has a hard/fast swing this will make an impact based on the spin rate. Or a very low handicapper. 4+ handicaps will not notice the difference.

When playing golf, I find more Titleist in the woods and in the water than any other ball.

@2ndswing

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! - Thomas

This video is informative but not quite in the right way. Obviously, as someone with close to tour speed swings, you’re going to be better with the harder ball. You can control the spin and ball speed better. For those who can’t, less spin both off the driver and other clubs, are going to be more beneficial. Obviously you know these things, and you talk about golf ball fittings, but you talk about the Wilson Duo soft the stats it put up as though they are negative. It’s not negative, the ball did exactly what it’s designed to do. Less spins give those higher handicap’s more likelihood to stay in bounds and gain more distance, as we saw with the 7-iron. These videos would be better off using someone who the ball is actually fitted to and then giving them a pro V1 and seeing that difference

Lower spinning Wilson driver and longer iron Wilsons too. WIlson ftw. spin in irons is grossly over rated. Flight height and distance will help most golfers all day and night.

@2ndswing

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. This is all player dependent. If a golfer doesn't hit the ball high enough spin is important. If you play a lot of links golf and don't need to drop and stop the ball as fast you can get away with less spin and obtain more distance.

Thank you definitely buying Wilson for a third of the price! I don’t see a difference for me, you keep an saying “a golfer of my skill level” and you only lost 8 yards with the driver lol! A player with my skill level won’t even tell the difference.

MGS: soft = slow, nothing to do with distance, here is a good display of the effect.

Thomas, I am enjoying the content. Just a little feedback, I think the gain on your mic might be a little too high because your voice can be distorted at times. (No, this isn’t anything to do with your New Zealand accent)

@2ndswing

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment. We are aware, we are working on the solution and trying differnt mics. Have a few videos already shot to get through but stay patient and the audio will be better!

It is a ridiculous comparison when I could swing faster i used a tour quality ball, as my swing has slowed down do to age and health issues I have started using lower compression balls and now use the duo. It is a very good ball for my 88mph swing. For you to disparage the duo because it doesn't fit your 100 mph+ swing is just not right. It would be the same as hitting a driver with a ladies flex driver then saying it is a terrible driver because it isn't right for your swing

Ur mic is still broken

The Wilson is supposed to be softer, and it is. It also goes further than the ProV1. Both tested with humans, as well as a robot arm.

For the overall price, value, and performance...Duo wins. For half the price of PV1 and a small performance difference, Duo easily wins for me.

These differences are completely insignificant for an average golfer. This gentleman probably doesn't lose a golf ball most rounds, so paying 5 bucks a ball is no big deal. If you lose 6 balls a round or more like many of us do, that gets expensive. Golf is already expensive enough. Give up a few yards off the tee and save some money so you can play more often. I'm not saying to play to Duo Soft. Go ahead if you like it, but there are lots of other balls with similar price points that are just fine for most of us.

The category that I look for is the lower price

@2ndswing

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. It's more important to keep the ball consistent if that's a lower price ball just make sure you play the same ball. - Thomas

5:26 the 7 iron distance can't be right he smoked on 214 yards. I sense a bit of titliest bias

@2ndswing

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. The 7iron went a total distance of 214 with the Duo Soft because when testing the spin was signifganctly lower. No bias just showing how spin influences distance.

@rosscarolan2746

3 жыл бұрын

@@2ndswing No worries I was only joking anyway about the bias now my favourite golf brand is Wilson staff so I think it's me whose showing the bias great video though keep up the good work

Well lets see. One costs 80 cents and the other aboot 4 bucks and change. SO, did the ProV1x give you 5 times the performance ? If you're not someone out there losing balls price isn't an issue anyway. I buy these to hit in a field behind my house. Got a shagbag and just do that. Cheaper than the driving range. It's a driving range ball. No more, no less. There's some courses that I play on occasion there are so many water hazards and hitting out of bounds...forget it, that ball is gone it's so wooded and rocky I'll use a cheap ball at the Tee and not even go look for a OB shot. You wouldn't want to hit out of it anyway to spare damage to your club. I just hit another. Then, on my second shot, I'll pick it up and hit a Prov1 or equivalent. Against the rules yes, but ...not a tournament. No one cares. Might even t-up a 5 iron on the fairway. Which actually you can if you've taken an ob stroke...To date, no ones come out and 'confronted me' on this. Sometimes I'll have 15 or 16 clubs in my bag. Shhhhh...don't tell anyone. So ...what have we learned ? We learned an .80 ball is not quite as good as a 4.20 ball. Over 90% of recreational golfers don't break 100. Ever. For 90% of the golfing world, the ball they are using....is irrelevant. Most golfers don't even know how to keep an accurate score. What is a penalty and what is not. Etc etc...And because they are often rushed because of the pace of the course...they just end up hacking. One reason I NEVER let the so called 'pressure' of someone waiting at a T box rush my shot. My money is just as good as theirs. Better actually....because it's mine. Remember....it's suppose to be fun.

Sorry keep it simple, it's all about compression , soft vs hard , no matter how cheap or expensive it is ...

What a pointless test. Do the same test with a genuine 85 mph swinger, which is who the duo soft will better suit, and then see if the cost of ProV1 is worth spending.

So, if you hit driver-7iron to a 475 yard par4 it doesn’t matter what golf bal you use… Titleist Pro V1: 290+185=475yards carry Wilson: 282+193=475yards carry It only matters if your wedge game benefits from extra spin… 😂😂😂

A 4:1 price difference is not "a little bit extra"!

These Numbers are Insufficient... Comparing these 2 golf balls. Why have your Prices Increased by $100 plus on your used golf club site since the Covid era?!?

Absolutely proves that paying 50-60 dollars for a dozen Pro V1 golf balls is silly, the only thing that Pro V1 is better at is spin. You tried so hard to make it look like the Titleist was a far more superior ball, They are not worth the cost.

Its the indian and not the arrow

Duo soft no spin on chip shots also marks up badly

duh!

Nice video but audio is just awful.

If you are not scoring low to high 70s on a daily basis, Pro-V1 won't be your savior. Just work on your short game.

having a dude with a 114mph swing speed test a ball that is aimed at the 80mph crowd is... not helpful.

After this video, i will buy WS rest my life.

Time to buzz your head sir

Far to many ego heads. You’ll shoot the same on the day no matter the ball you play.