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@sissicoabin7006

Жыл бұрын

BTS + ARMY = FAMILY

@sissicoabin7006

Жыл бұрын

Jungkook was doing a Live today, and we were 15M and maybe more

@_moimoii_95

Жыл бұрын

I don't think I'll know how to explain BTS and ARMY relationship but it's just like we know what eachother are thinking (for me). From beginning, all we got are eachother. I think they are breaking the stereotype of how fans think of their idols to be perfect in every aspect.. they let us see their worst and now

@monkat3759

Жыл бұрын

Also speaks to their dedication to positivity & crisis management I spoke of in my comment. Ignore the melodrama of the music, but here are the clips. Allegedly, there were negative comments to Jimins appearance kzread.info/dash/bejne/na121Jqep6qvcZs.html

@Kodamakitty

Жыл бұрын

Oooh - I'm very tempted to watch the full uncut reaction. There's a moment in this live where Jimin clearly sees something sobering on screen and it takes a few minutes for him to recover. There's a ripple of body language that goes from him to SUGA and then RM. Ultimately, what things like that mean to me is that these lives are unscripted and genuine and that we all need to remember to be kind, regardless of who might be watching/reading. ^_^

Personally, it does feel like we accomplished something alongside BTS. Not only because they make us feel a part of it and because of their connection with us, but also because Army itself is pretty connected. We work together, it’s a team effort. BTS 🤝🏻ARMY

@maxpbeaumont

Жыл бұрын

Love that :)

@radhialatif6593

Жыл бұрын

Perfectly worded! We are a team and a family, this fandom and BTS are so unique in creating this environment amongst millions.

@classical7

Жыл бұрын

@@maxpbeaumont Yes, BTS x BigHit x ARMY global family for sure! *"Teamwork makes the dream work"* We definitely work as a team so the connection and bond is super special. There was literally a global project called "Connect" a few years back where BTS wanted to connect us with the World of Art from various Artists and their works from around the world. It was simply amazing and just ONE of the many projects BTS shared. 😭💜💜💜💜💜💜

@addadonna3636

Жыл бұрын

tbh i've been in a few fandoms but army is the only one that has felt like i'm a part of a real community

@mchlllynn1

Жыл бұрын

I agree with this, Army comes together to do what we can to get our boys what they deserve. We love the guys, they give us so much through their music and themselves so we want to work hard and give back. I see the relationship the way one should be. its a give and take on BOTH sides. They give us something that helps us get through our hard times in life and we give back support in our own way from streaming to voting to whatever else there is. It is real nice to hear they read our messages and hearing congratulations, it shows we are a team. Yes its mostly them because if it werent for them being here, who knows what would happen to many armies.

when bts get an award, jimin usually posts something he wants to say or show about it with a hashtag #OurARMYGotAnAward 🥺 he always includes it just like yoongi adds #itsSugahyung to his every happy bday post

@aishwaryaahirrao

Жыл бұрын

Ikr! It's adorable!!

Even though there are millions of us that are joining the lives, it really does feel like you're hanging out with a friend. I've never felt so much love and so much involvement in a fandom before. They talk to us with so much respect and I love how honest they are with us. It feels like we're one huge family. Would love to see more videos on this

@cupcakenfetti

Жыл бұрын

Maybe it's odd to say but it feels like they are now family. Not like family, but family. And I'm not a very young person that just says whatever but they truly mean a lot to me. It's unexplainable but I'm sure ARMYs will get it.

@Joonsplumtree

Жыл бұрын

People take this mentality way too far

@violetastoykova-jakobson9278

Жыл бұрын

​@@Joonsplumtree Which mentality? That people consider BTS to be their family? Family doesn't require blood relation(or even constant physical presence/connection). The members demonstrate (in their work; with how they treat one another and ARMY) all that family is about - honesty, trust, realness, respect, passion, communication, bonding over shared goals and interests, love. LOVE! LOVE! LOVE! And to add a (what is commonly called) "spiritual" perspective - a soul group or family can, and indeed does, contain millions of souls. They will experience each other as "family". Namjoon himself said he wants to find a better word than "love" to describe what he feels on stage during concerts, what he feels towards ARMY, the essence of that bond.

@H3artsforTae

Жыл бұрын

@@Joonsplumtree what?

For me, as an older ARMY, it's like watching my boys succeed. The mom in me is happy I can support from behind to help propel them forward. I also feel like it's how I can give back, they work hard to give us something beautiful.

@dysmissme7343

Жыл бұрын

Giving back is the only way I’ve ever thought of streaming, there’s so few avenues to thank them for all that they’ve given me The only real way to do so is by streaming the fuck out of their music, getting them awards etc is really one of the only avenues we have to acknowledge and thank them for what they do. And outside of Weverse it’s the only way to get a message to them y’know- it’s like Army coming together as some hive minded unit to say “I appreciate you” to Bts

@mamawinterborahae7629

Жыл бұрын

Omg I’m older too, and it feels so great seeing other older ARMYS, it’s because of them I started my own channel, it’s a work in progress,but they inspire me so much . 💜

@elizabeth3230

Жыл бұрын

I’m older too and I do feel like I’m watching out for the guys. I seriously have that Mother’s pride when I see them perform or when they reach a milestone. JK has a special place in my heart because he’s the youngest. And I just love the great influence they have on the young people worldwide. They show that you can be humble, generous, and kind while still being cool to your peers.

15 million people watched Jungkook take a nap on live today so yeah...the parasocial relationship is very real and MOST ARMYs are extremely respectful and don't pry into anything beyond what the members choose to share with us.

@Sunset553

Жыл бұрын

there was also a candle, so it’s not like there was nothing at all happening lol

@sugaholic9431

Жыл бұрын

we are so comfy with each other we took a nap with jk and all the army😂 only happens on a BTS live😂💜💜💜

@dysmissme7343

Жыл бұрын

@@Sunset553 lol true It’s funny actually bc I almost bought a candle like that one earlier this week 🙂 A candle with that special sort of wick so that it sounds like a fireplace as it burns, but the store I was in didn’t have any scents I really liked 🥲

@besmoothlikebutter6454

Жыл бұрын

trueee I've grown a habit of putting the mikrokosmos lamp and candles at his vlive too. I finished three painting at the end of the liveXD the vibe is comforting and I'm always alone at my apartment so it's always nice to have some company💜✨

@faustinaokafor5292

Жыл бұрын

I actually agree with everything you said except the part that army don't pry into anything. Coz they do, they try to peep into everything and always want to decide what they should do, which I don't like

I think what strikes me with BTS in particular is the way they interact with their fans. As a whole, Kpop has a certain focus on fan service, so it's a given that most idols will be sufficient in that department. But BTS are just on another level in that aspect and I can never quite put my finger on the exact reason. I do think that their genuine way with fans is a reason that they've grown so successful (besides the fact that their music is great too). Btw, we appreciate your videos Max!

@ystrw

Жыл бұрын

'Came for the music, stayed for the boys' is how I tend to sum up my experience. You're right that K-pop focuses very closely on the fan-idol interaction, and it is hard to put a name to what it is that BTS does. I think it's a lot of 'little' things, starting with such relatable and affectionate lyrics/songs, proceeding on to teasing and having in-jokes with us; sharing their worries and down moments with us (something most idols aren't allowed to do) and sharing the projects and behind-scenes. They let us see the silly, the, casual, the play/leisure times along with the intense work and dedication. They don't like to worry or upset us, but they do make a point of being as honest and open as NDAs will permit and they make a point to show us the behind-scenes so we know what really goes into each project. (I can't forget how disappointed they were at Busan when security vetoed their plan to leave the stage and circulate among the fans there.) And the first thing out of their mouths at award shows is always, 'ARMY!' It's like BTS themselves: it's not one single thing that makes them the most successful musical group, but many things collectively contributing.

@h.vgavriel5838

Жыл бұрын

@@ystrw totally agree !

the fact that max uploads this just after jungkook FELL ASLEEP ON WEVERSE with 15 mio armies watching him. we sat looking at a candle burning, listening to the crackle of the flame and his snores for like 20 minutes before weverse cut the feed. armies most pressing concern were that he fell asleep with a candle lit and hoped a manager would come and blow it out for safety reasons.

@samrafferty0803

Жыл бұрын

Yep ngl I was pretty worried about that candle

@vijayaarakeri6519

Жыл бұрын

This is just so adorable 😭💗

@dysmissme7343

Жыл бұрын

@@samrafferty0803 Meh it’s probably fine I’ve slept for hours with candles burning - and the candle he had is a big one so it would’ve gone on for HOURS - no risk of it burning all the way down

@samrafferty0803

Жыл бұрын

@@dysmissme7343 @dysmissme7343 it's not about it burning all the way down though, you shouldn't leave candles unattended in case they fall over or in case they set alight flammable items that could be next to it. I know it's extremely unlikely that this would happen, but better safe than sorry right?

@melaniehunter7159

Жыл бұрын

I was watching JK live that day ( in and out because I was working) . At the end I was like did JK fall asleep and he did. I was thinking in my head only ARMY would watch BTS sleeping. Over 15 millions is amazing. That show me that how much ARMY love and support BTS. There is one and only ARMY💜💜💜💜💜💜💜

"Remember that there is a person here in Korea, in the city of Seoul, who understands you." - Park Jimin This sentence from Jimin still makes me feel so comforted :')

@donnamartinez6201

Жыл бұрын

I just replied something like that in one of my comments, but got the wording wrong....so glad I saw. yours to remind me.

@jiminsexposedshoulder6126

Жыл бұрын

@@donnamartinez6201 Just checked and I got the wording wrong too lol. I fixed it!

@donnamartinez6201

Жыл бұрын

@@jiminsexposedshoulder6126 I'm going to see if I can find it. I still think your wording is closer than mine was. Regardless, it just shows how Jimin cares about us Army, right?

This is the live where Jimin saw negative comments and shut down; he lost his smile & stopped engaging. Both Suga & RM saw it; RM looked ticked off & Suga lost his smile too; looked bothered. I think this is why RM told Jimin to make the ending comments. He's so supportive. I LOVE how they LOVE & support each other. Their relationship with ARMY appears to be more authentic than with other KPop idols. (I could be wrong; it's just how I feel.) Yes, other idols may engage with their fans, but I feel BTS really, truly feels that ARMY are special to them and misses them (us) when they don't get to perform live; get to "see" them.

@libbyharper9293

Жыл бұрын

@maxbeaumont1261 This made me so angry towards the person who posted whatever it was. That was such a raw and honest reaction by Jimin, Suga, and RM. You know when you see RM clench his jaw it has to be pretty bad. I don't understand why people have to be so hateful especially when the guys were just having a good time.

@christinesmith379

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I felt so bad for Jimin. He does nothing but give ARMY love and praise for our support and we have these ignorant individuals who go after him with their language. I love Jimin so much and it breaks my heart. He gets so many negative comments and actual death threats. I’m so glad his solo album takes on these haters. You, Max, a d your uncle are so much fun to listen to because for such a short time being ARMY, you have nailed the guys. Thank you.

Saw a funny tweet today "if your idol posts silly things for you at 2am, it's not fanservice anymore, he's in a parasocial relationship as well",,, course, its more than that, but I was thinking about JK falling asleep on live late last night, so that someone had to turn it off remotely... I think a key factor for me is consistency. In the 5 years I've been army, they've always been themselves, they've maintained this relationship in such a way that it feels authentic... if it was an act, or forced, they wouldn't be able to maintain it so well for so long, you know? That's too much acting

@dysmissme7343

Жыл бұрын

And they’re not particularly great actors…. 😂 I love the thought behind that tweet. And I do think it’s true with Bts, it actually makes a lot of sense, them being in a parasocial relationship with us

@dysmissme7343

Жыл бұрын

A few weeks ago Jungkook was live (while drinking) from his living room from like 2-6 am!! Against everyone’s advice! 😅 That’s just not the sort of thing you do because you have to- you can’t script that. Can’t schedule it. No manager would even sign off on it. He did it bc he wanted to. And that means a lot.

@loribarnes6289

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I just don't see how they could be acting that they truly like their fans. We have seen too many situations and videos with their sincerity shining thru.

@loribarnes6289

Жыл бұрын

@@dysmissme7343 It is interesting that you mention parasocial relationships because I was just reading about that. I never thought about them being in one with Army. It makes perfect sense. JK and V especially I think look to Army to bring up their own personal spirits when feeling low. V talked about this on In the Soop. The article I read about parasocial relationships did say that most people get positive things out of these relationships as long as it doesn't lean towards stalking/sasaengs.

I can't speak for all ARMYs but I personally do feel like we accomplished something with BTS as a extended part of the BTS eco-system. Everyone has a part to play from BTS themselves to their producers, writers, composers, sound engineers, directors, editors, managers, etc. I see ARMY as just another piece of that puzzle to what makes BTS work. It takes a lot of effort to do what ARMY does. It is a global project to mobilize millions of people to help BTS hit the milestones that they hit. They make incredible music and we want them to get the recognition that we believe they deserve. So we strategize, research, share information about how to stream their music in a way that gets results. We find out what how award shows work, what criteria is need to break records, what you need for a stream to count or not count on a platform, etc. We create goals for each project and share it with fans, track songs that are close to new milestones to give them extra love, set up streaming parties, create special playlists to enjoy at work and school or to have friendly competition. We have voting brigades to work round the clock from around the world. General audiences are going to engage in the content when they feel like it which is totally fine and the norm. That doesn't get results though. ARMY knows that record breaking numbers only happen with team effort and planning. So we have to do our jobs as fans and support in a way that works. BTS is fully aware of all that we do and they know it's not as simple and easy and throwing on a song or music video. So when they thank us, it isn't empty words for just having fun with their music. It's acknowledgement that they know what it takes to get those kinds of numbers and them being genuinely happy to have us as a part of their team. It's not empty appreciation. We don't get much more out of it than to see them happy and excited and thriving. That's all we want and need. Them smiling and happy in a live or at an award show makes it all worth it.

@sugaholic9431

Жыл бұрын

Yeah🤣we work so hard to make it happen but it’s worth it🥳💜hugs💜

@ZariDV

Жыл бұрын

@@sugaholic9431 So so true. They work so hard to bring us lots of amazing content. It's only makes sense that we'd want to return their love and effort too. Lol how else would we get to see Yoongi staring at a trophy lovingly? Hahhaa

@dysmissme7343

Жыл бұрын

I’m glad you took the time to explain this so clearly It’s got these reasons that I do feel accomplished when they congratulate us 💜 I also want to remind them that they’ve worked hard too, it’s not only our award But yeah 🙂

@ZariDV

Жыл бұрын

@dysmissme Exactly. They work hard and should be rewarded.

@anmelle9000

Жыл бұрын

So well said💜

yeah jimin really talks to us in his lives often. there was this one live in covid times and he told us not to get sick and be really careful and more. he often tells us not to catch a cold when its winter time and more and now its like a thing with him and army.he really makes us feel loved and worthy if that makes sense.

@donnamartinez6201

Жыл бұрын

He has also said....(not verbatim, bec I can't remember), always remember that there is someone in Seoul that is thinking about you... (something like that.).

I attended the Busan concert last October and on the train home, with other ARMY concert go-ers, we watched their live together. It was a packed train and everyone shared their phone screens w each other. I don’t speak Korean but the k-army standing beside me shared her phone and we watched the live together, laughing and just hanging out. Their individual lives are pretty intimate. They take time to read comments and answer questions. Jimin goes live building legos and other stuff too. He made me buy them and I replay his live while building them. I’ve never been more productive 😂

jungkook lives feel so intimate, he usually goes live for hours and shares so much with us. today for example he did it until 5am (in korea). he was singing, drinking, talking about his days and worries, and he felt so comfortable around army that he ended up falling asleep on the couch cause he was tired 😭 like snoring and everything! someone had to end his live for him. their lives are always very comforting and it feels like we're facetiming a long distance best friend.

@kisi9121

Жыл бұрын

I really love to watch them now when they are what they are. I mean in the beginning it has different. Company told what to do , i remember that Jin talked about that, how his character is so different than he really is. So now they are so natural. Suga for example is so different in real life than how you can think if you are watching older stuff. And how Jk share his feelings and life with us. Like they all do. I really enjoy that. I think that is the thing witch make me love them more.

@MagickSprite

Жыл бұрын

Also when JK ended his Instagram account 52 million followers because he would rather communicate with us through a live stream. With other stars this could come across as fake, but especially with Jungkook it feels genuine. Plus, like you said, especially lately he is livestreaming more, and is more relaxed and comfortable. Who falls asleep with almost 16 million people watching?! Jungkook does, and we love hm for that.

@shinemuziya

Жыл бұрын

Of course, jk stans have to take the attention away from the group. This is about them as a group not them doing individual lives

@miIIie.

Жыл бұрын

@@shinemuziya i'm an ot7. this was an example because he went live the day i commented this lmao i literally said THEIR lives were all comforting at the end

@MagickSprite

Жыл бұрын

@@shinemuziya I’m an JK Stan? That’s news to me. I better cancel my Suga concert ticket, cancel my orders for Jimin’s Face album and singles. Since they have been opened, I guess I’m stuck with J-Hope’s Jack in the Box, RM’s Indigo and both of Jin’s The Astronaut cds. Huh. Thank you for letting me know I only like one member of BTS. I finally found out after 8 years.

Oh no it definitely feels like a collective effort when we achieve something. Even for things that don’t involve us whatsoever, like speaking at the White House in the United States. They thanked us, for being so supportive and rooting for them. It’s the way they speak to us with so much empathy, respect and kindness that’s makes the parasocial relationship grow stronger 😂 Begins to feel like one massive family! They speak intimately and feels like they’re speaking to us in the other end of the screen and go into detail why they said what they said. For example if Taehyung is going to have a speech during a concert instead of saying he had a good time and was happy to be with ARMY, he would add that he’s grateful that after such a long time he’s happy to reunite with the variety of ARMYs he sees in the crowd and how much energy he gained from the excitement and happiness he saw tonight and hopes to improve and perform better for their future concerts. That’s exactly what he would say. Even the way army speaks to each other, their positivity is influential to the fanbase. I just can’t get over the way they speak to us, there’s lots of differences, like you said RM takes a more intellectual approach when he speaks to everyone, I remember he said during one of their concerts in 2021, “we charge each others batteries, BTS charges ARMYs batteries and ARMY charges BTS batteries, that’s why we’re here” and for example Jimin is very particular and careful with his words. He’s very emotionally intelligent and has a way of validating the viewers feelings and being supportive without even knowing us individually. I can’t explain it! Each member stands out so much but they also feel like one entity at the same time. I really enjoyed this, thank you for making this video, please continue to do more BTS reaction videos!

You're spot on. When BTS would win an award Jimin would always say, "Army you've won an award today" not we he gave credit to Army.

I find it interesting how you jumped over the situation where Jimin’s behavior changed to being a little emotional which was due to a comment that had been made. The members reacted to him and his emotions in different ways. It would have been interesting to hear your insight on that situation. It’s one of the reasons why this one has do many views.

Thanks for this insightful reaction. I never considered how BTS was thinking of ARMY in the terms you mentioned. It made me appreciate their honesty and openness so much more. I can’t begin to relate to how they must feel when doing these lives and knowing millions (!) are watching 😮. I feel you have truly tapped into each member and it’s a delight to observe your excitement and appreciation for them.

@maxpbeaumont

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Sonja! And yes, incredible what they do and how they do it :)

I love how they come on Live after a performance, even the Grammy’s. Or after their Busan concert, 3J and V went live.

This is really cool! It’s also really different the way they are in their solo lives - they all have a specific kind of connection with ARMY that’s harder to spot in a group live. As for achieving things, a lot of things do require effort from ARMY; voting and streaming takes time, so when they do win things, you feel that sense of accomplishment that we did this for them. Always so worth it 💜 Thank you for this video! ☺️

We all did it together. Without Army BTS wouldn’t be who they are and without BTS Army wouldn’t exist. The perfect relationship. 💜🎶🤗

1:13 they were asked once who they picture and i dont remember who said it but they said that the faces they see at their concerts are sometimes imprinted in their memories and they can then see army so vividly. so i guess the person they picture are the people who left a lasting impression from one of their concerts. also no two vlives are alike. thats probably why most army watch them all because u always get something different. jk might be very quiet in one and very talkative in the next. they might go a whole vlive without reading comments and spend the next chatting back and forth with army, they might talk about something very serious in one vlive, but then be complete goofballs in the next etc etc. this is just to say that u cant really get an impression of what their vlives are like based off one video. 13:55 i think army are aware of their part in bts's achievements so yes it does feel nice when bts acknowledges that. i find it so endearing when they write #armyreceivedanaward everytime bts receives an award. i'm not sure but i think jimin is the one that started the hashtag (correct me if i'm wrong). army is also very good at encouraging and complimenting each other for a job well done so it's just good vibes all around, both between bts and army and amongst army themselves.

@dysmissme7343

Жыл бұрын

I personally am endlessly amused by the Yoongi’s trademark dead eyed stare in his vlives 💀 When Yoongi -unmoving- just silently stares at the comments, with this blank face for a full minute 😂 It’s genuine and it’s hilarious and frankly it demonstrates that he’s at a level of “not putting it on for the cameras”, not feeling a need to entertain that I can hardly comprehend 😆

I was nodding along so much to alot of what u said in this video. As an ARMY I feel so heard by ur description of BTS and ARMY's relationship. Yes they really bring us into the equation, that we're an entity is that's a big part of the whole ecosystem. Many of the BTS members have said things like "BTS is ARMY. ARMY is BTS", that we're the 8th member, etc. Jimin always writes "Our ARMY won an award" whenever they tweet about awards won after any award ceremony, even for awards that ARMYs cannot vote or influence the result -- it just shows how humble they are. I think times like these is when we especially feel that THEY did it -- it's their hard work, their talent, their genuineness. Sometimes we think they are toooo humble and should give themselves more credit. Even if it's ARMYs' voting that's the mechanism (but we're just reflecting back their amazingness!). But at other times, especially when it's 100% voting based awards, we do feel that we've achieved something. But the key is -- we achieved it FOR THEM 🥰 For them to be rightfully recognised, rightfully celebrated. So there's definitely a sense of accomplishment (it's not easy!) but the spirit of that sense of accomplishment is always getting THEIR HAPPINESS as a reward Btw, Billy Korean just started uploading a series where he analyzes the ways each BTS members' speaks in korean, including dialects/satoori, their speaking style etc (since he has a good proficiency of korean over the years)! It's VERY insightful and enlightening! Especially as the way they speak reflects their personality, thought process, how they use the korean language, reflects their hometown, and other quirks! i feel like this would add a whole 'nother dimension to ur understanding of them and how they communicate! Would u consider reacting to those videos? I really am curious for u to see it and share ur thoughts!! So far, Billy Korean has uploaded RM's and Jin's -- perhaps u can start with those! RM: kzread.info/dash/bejne/X42Du7SPl9Wfn8o.html Jin: kzread.info/dash/bejne/poqGsLWBadXFmrg.html

Jungkook's vlive got 16.8 million views, far more than the Grammys.

I find it interesting about Jungkook, he usually a quiet one when they do live together but so talkative when he does live alone. And yes... RM, Suga and Hobi always leading the conversation when they do a group interview or something like this. Suga may be so quiet when he choose to but in a group conversation especially when they do an important talk he always talk a lot. He likes to point out his opinion, I really appreciate him because of it, that really opposite of mine and thats make me proud of him and envy him at the same time.

I can't speak for others obviously, but the way they engage with ARMYs is not why I like watching their content. A lot of kpop idols engage with their fans. It's the fact that BTS are so genuine with the other members that makes it a joy for me to watch their content. They don't try too hard to be funny. Their interactions are so natural. They have fun with each other. They like each other on a professional and personal level. Their bond, teamwork and friendship is the best. So, watching them do even the most mundane things makes me feel happy. It also makes me feel jealous that I don't have a group of friends like that in my life lol. Add to this their amazing discography and you have got yourself a winning combo.

@Imme_begin

9 ай бұрын

I’m not sure how much other Kpop idols interacted with their fans in the way BTS does BEFORE BTS. My understanding is that other groups followed BTS’s lead because they saw their success. (I could understand I correctly).

we are usually happy for bts and they are happy for us, thos is how this engine works haha

@maxpbeaumont

Жыл бұрын

for sure!

TEAMWORK MAKES THE DREAM WORK. Personally, I feel like we achieve all these things together. They sing and perform for us and in turn, we vote and stream for them. Mutual appreciation and love, I feel.

Please note: when you see the guys on their phones during vlives, they are monitoring the comments. They don’t usually scroll through socials but like to keep track of comments.

They wouldn’t be where they are if it weren’t for us, army. But we wouldn’t be here if it weren’t for them, their talent and simply who they are. It’s a circle, a beautiful and fulfilling one.

@dysmissme7343

Жыл бұрын

💜

When BTS acknowledges ARMY, I feel seen and appreciated, because they recognize and bring attention to the fact that without fans, all their efforts would not be rewarded and they would not have the awards & achievements they have. The Billboard charts reflect their popularity, and that popularity comes from fans supporting and listening to their music. No matter how good their music is, if no one listens to it, they don't get acknowledged. So they are grateful and cognizant of the role we play in their success. Also, the relationship between BTS and ARMY is a love affair. It is a mutual admiration society. We adore them, and they in turn adore us. We admire, stan, swoon and melt, and they reciprocate by complementing, exalting and extolling us. The loved and the beloved relish in praising one another, and every complement or show of appreciation on one side encourages reciprocation from the other, which creates a positive feedback loop that just keeps growing. 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜

I found it interesting that this video was chosen. Made me sad during observations of Jimin @ 4:16 as if you see when Jimin's mood changed after looking at his phone then putting it down and looking almost tearful. Allegedly, there was a negative comment towards Jimin and his appearance. Both Suga and RM appear to see and are affected. RM looks ticked off& and Suga just kept looking at and after Jimin. V seems to notice Jimin and keeps his attention, then Jimin shakes it off and reengages. Speaks to how they handle crisis management and turn it to a positive by reminding that you are not unseen and anonymous. We see your messages. Every time I see the smile disappear and the look in Jimins eyes I just want to both give a hug & hope the poster experienced some karma to just stop.

@Jane-tx7el

Жыл бұрын

Yea I was saying this on patreon too. Always breaks my heart when I see that moment. But also kudos to Jimin to shake it off and give his utmost focus towards armies and the members. He is truly an angel

@damianBTSot7

Жыл бұрын

Yes I'm surprisedthat Max didn't pick up on it. The body language was VERY obvious. I noticed it when it originally aired & then ARMY figured it out and posted about it on Weverseright away. It's really upsetting that some randome hater could hurt any of them that easily. After all each one of them has done to bring joy to millions. The hard work & suffering. It's really lame & disgustingthat people resort to such petty actions out of jealousy. Jimin is a frigging ANGEL & deserves nothing but everlasting love & support. The haters should just say "Thank you" and be on their way.

@user-em7wt7zt8w

11 ай бұрын

​@@damianBTSot7 Because he was analyzing their communication skills, not their psychological state I guess that's why he didn't talk about what happened with Jimin

often notice this about jimin, he sometimes just looks intensely in the camera when they are live together, keeping this eye contact. other guys might look away naturally distracted by something, but jimin LOOKS at you through the camera 😅 though by himself he is shy to interact with the audience haha I wonder how it is to translate your true emotions when there's only a camera lense in front of you and they still make it feel genuine and lovely

Yes I genuinely feel that we are part of the succes. Don't forget: it's our buying and streaming that gets them to nr 1. And they never forget that too, and we love them for it. As RM said it so eloquently: 50% army, 35% bts (5% each🤯), 15% bighit. He was being too modest of course, if they weren't so great, there would be 0% succes.

You should watch the “S in BTS stands for Spoilers” video as they are always blurting our spoilers or giving secrets away in VLive to ARMYs, mostly it’s Namjoon spoiling stuff & Jimin trying to stop him or telling him to shut up.

If you want a better look at how they interact with ARMY I think you'll find more material by looking at their solo vlives or lives with just a couple members. When it's the whole group they spend a lot of time talking amongst themselves (which we love) but still make sure to loop us in and communicate directly a little less

they have a hashtag whenever they win awards that translates roughly to "our army won an award" and to answer ur question on how it feels when they say stuff like that: i wouldnt say that it feels like i internalize the credit or anything. instead, it feels like theyre so humble that they share the credit. like rationally u know that without a supportive fanbase they wouldnt have their numbers, but as a fan im not motivated to reach any random number goal, i just invest in their art bc it speaks to me. so when they pawn off credit like that, it just makes u think "like no it was all you guys (bts)" and it goes in circles like that honestly lol. it feels like a constant mutual gratitude and appreciation. im sure on their end they really Are grateful for the support of army as an entity but the fact is that army is made up of individuals who just want to enjoy their music and see them get what they deserve, it means its weird to get the success of the group attributed to me. like i dont accept it and just send it (the love n credit) back to them and i would guess most other army feel the same

@maxpbeaumont

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that makes sense. Appreciate the comment!

You may want to watch their MMA 2016 end Vlive. They all cried in that one and kept assuring ARMYs that in both ends, each other was all we truly had and that moving forward, every other award and accomplishment they get will still be and always be ours and not just them. They were extremely thankful and shared their thoughts in their goals, which were once light-hearted, and they kept reminding each other than they should always take one step at a time but aim high.

I love your reaction, just out of curiosity there's a press conference at the PTD-LA concert which they were asked how they keep themselves grounded and RM answered that if that is 100% of success 50% are from army, 15% are from hybe/bighit and each one of them only had 5% and I think this pretty much explains how can they be so conscious and grateful towards us. I guess that is clear that we mean a lot to each other, even if it's in different ways, but this feeling keep us walking together.

just a few hours ago jungkook was talking on weverse live about a recent stalking incident and how in his eyes army and bts have an understanding about not doing certain things and respecting each other, and how he had been very surprised that people were waiting outside where he was working out.

@dysmissme7343

Жыл бұрын

So fucking upsetting….. Because the truth is we do have that understanding But goddamn it’s hard for millions of people in a growing group to stay on the same page.

I clicked on the video because I thought you were evaluating their relationships with each other, but their relationship and address towards Army? That’s a thinker 🤔 I’m not a ‘fangirl’ per se, at least until I met BTS a year ago and became Army. You asked if we feel like we achieved anything- something that is different in this industry compared to the Western music world is when the boys plan to release something, Army sets streaming goals and it gets quite heated in the first 24hrs, first week etc. Itself’Hidden from Artists’ but they know that it happens which is why apps like YT try to delete our views or change the algorithm because of us. But when our boys are releasing their art… we will go to the ends of the world to support it. Boracity Magazine YT channel recently did a video and at the end she spoke about Army’s personal daily goals- that we should aim to stream a song, mv, album etc every day in order to add to the neverending numbers. And accounts like Twitter BTS Charts exist so that we can monitor what records we are nearing. So to answer the question, yes, I think many of us do feel that we play a role in helping them. Because that’s what a relationship is : give and take.

it depends on what we achieved. something may happen to bts that in a biggggg picture is due to army, for that we are just happy they get opportunities and recognition but there are some events that we selebrate in a "we did it!" way too, those involve our direct effort. for example fan votings for an award with a tough competition or beating some number record in sertain amount of time that requires a lot of contribution from each army or debuting bts song on the top of hot100 which is basically can only be achieved by a coordinated work from us for a whole week... we have inside systems to manage all of these goals, so when it happens we do feel accomplished 😊

@camilesouzaa

Жыл бұрын

exactly like, when they won artist of the year on 2021 AMA's for example, I cried out of pure joy that day because I knew I voted for them so hard therefore I felt direct part of their victory, and when they chart and break a record is our hard work in there alongside theirs so it definetely feel like teamwork. We armys and bts have a partnership really, and the boys see it like that too. But also the fact that the tannies share how they feel about things with us, then we get to know what's important for them and that makes it easier for us to empathize. Like Hobi being able to work with J-Cole. Even if an army doesn't listen to j-cole's music, they can still overjoyed that hobi gets to work with his muse.

Suga said the achievements of the songs don't matter any more for them. Because armys always do their best and support for it (streaming, voting, buying...) So the most important thing which they can do is that they find out how they make army happy.😭😭😭 How can I don't love them💜💜💜

The way I describe the relationship between BTS & ARMY is just that: a relationship. I've been a part of fandoms before but I can honestly say being ARMY is so completely different. I think you only get part of it on the OT7 vlives because those are usually more "structured" (they have a specific topic/ reason they went live) but you really get it when it's the solo lives. For example, Hobi did a vlive where he was dancing in a practice room late at night & he had to go wash his hands. He took all however many millions of us with him because the building was empty & he was scared of the dark. Or there's the time JK went live to sing in his house & someone in the comments mentioned seeing his dirty dishes in the background. JK stopped singing, got up, & washed his dishes...muttering about did ARMY think he couldn't do dishes? Or Tae leaving the camera on while he took a nap (JK just did this the other day, ARMY was frantic because he was sound asleep & snoring but left a candle burning). They treat ARMY collectively as a friend. And we feel it.

I am a 49 year old longtime ARMY with an 8 year old who is also ARMY! BTS is unlike any group I have loved! They make you feel like family! And other ARMY support each other! Best fandom and group in the world💜

Thank you for this. I have wondered myself how they pictured us (Army). I became a huge fan during covid. Their music, vlives, and various shows have been such a comfort to me during a time when there was so much uncertainty in the world. My daughter and I have been to Las Vegas PTD concert and we were blown away by other Army! I have never met a kinder or more inclusive group of people. We had other Army walking up to us on the streets of Las Vegas giving us little Army goodie bags! Talk about feeling loved by people you didn't even know. We had the most amazing experience and met Army from all over the world at the concert. We felt even more connected to other Army and BTS through other fans. Now we are sure to listen to BTS's songs while going about our lives, including them in our daily lives knowing that streaming their music helps them. We are going to Suga's concert in May...not just to see Suga but to be with Our Army family too. We are already planning and ordering our little goody bags to spread a little love amongst Army! BTS is just such a special and amazing group. We will continue to support them as they each serve Korea....and meet up with other Army to support them and be a part of something bigger. Thank you for the analysis.... it was really heartwarming to listen to your interpretation of them.

Some armies may feel like they have achieved something too as they have tried hard with streaming and supporting them online and through purchasing albums but at the end of the day I think think we all know its also their achievement so i think its both our achievements were a team💓

@maxpbeaumont

Жыл бұрын

I think that’s a solid point

Well when 'they achieve' something I actually feel part of that as if we were family , so I might say 'guys, we made it!!' 😆like a whole family-teamwork 💟

Yesterday Jungkook fell asleep in a live and left 15M watching a candle

Max, BTS is so comfortable with ARMY some of them can even take a short nap while live with us. And one time, when Hobi was practicing late in the company, he took all millions of us to the rest room with him because he was scared 😅😅😅 I love that about them and it's so rare with celebs at their caliber

Everytime BTS achieves something they make us feel like we did all the hardwork and that we achieved it instead of just the members. As an Army i feel extremely proud of myself for stanning BTS coz of not only their achievements but also bcoz they r the most humble down-to-earth nice artists

In Jin’s and Hobi’s farewell MV (Astronaut and On The Street) a young innocent child been use to represent army. Whilst, in an interview with Pharrell, RM said he views Army as a mass and there’s another live/on concert (I’m not sure) he said Army are so diverse, come from many backgrounds and is everywhere.

RM is good at being the leader of BTS, was good from the start but he now have 10 years experience in knowing is BTS brothers so it became a second nature at this point and he can be more relaxed in his role considering the other members have also matured and they all know each others very well. 💜Army is just happy to support BTS

It always felt like we are walking/climbing with them.. As Suga said to us instead of us pushing them from behind he would rather want us CLIMBING with them hand and hand💜💜💜

It's a bit of both. They see how hard army works to make sure their at the top and we know they are at the top because they deserve to be there because the music is so good. We know they put their all into their craft.

I know I'm late, but i just wanted to say it as well. ARMY often organize themselves when songs are released, we organize playlists for streaming according to the rules of the plataforms, we set goals, we share our streaming data, we participate projects to help engage the community and raise the numbers of the songs. We do it because we like it, we like listening to their songs, we like seeing they're at the top. We also know the american industry isn't very fond of letting other artists get rocognition, so it's often even harder to get them there. We call radios to play their songs, bc unlike other companies they don't pay to be on radio, we buy their songs on the plataforms bc we know we have to make up for the lack of radio time when it comes to the charts. We really studied the system and we know how hard it is and how to make it work. So it does feel like we worked towards it too, I think that's why we think we've also achieved this. (and of course, everybody makes only what they can without messing their lifes or schedules in any way, we do what we can)

I would absolutely love for you to look into some of the recent JK solo lives. I think you would be surprised/entertained by what he gets up to with us lately. Much love from Austria

I definitely feel like army achieved something big, but I often feel like bts gives us too much credit, and they don't give themselves enough credit. They say they couldn't have done it without us, which is true, but we couldn't have done anything without them. They are the artists, and we just enjoy their music and content. They work hard for their achievements. They deserve waaayyyy more credit than they give themselves

though I'm older then these guys I learned a lot and I have a lot of respect for them for their hard work. I remind myself of them when I have struggling times

i think you'd really like watching jungkook's solo lives, out of all the guys he goes live the most and it always feels like we're hanging out with a friend even if there's 15 million of us watching at the same time haha. just last night he came live very drunk because he just wanted to sing karaoke and talk to us and then he fell asleep while still on live 😆it was so cute, he really feels so comfortable with us

My immediate thoughts when BTS go live and say we all achieved something is a sense of pride that we all achieved it together, both BTS and ARMY. So, my answer is "Yes". I feel like myself as part of ARMY achieved it WITH BTS. Neither one alone. Without BTS the will to achieve would not be there but without ARMY there would be no award. Perfect synergy 💜

I think we all see how hard they work and how willing they are to engage with us and that makes us want to help push their success further. So I think BTS and ARMY are a symbiotic unit that together achieves these almost impossible goals. They are very special.

I love how RM pulled in Jungkook there so he was more intergrated as he could have easily have been looking more like an 'add on' at the back. Notice RM put his arm around kookie pulling him in. That's good leadership and brotherly love.

As a US/PR Army I remember when this happened - it’s a partnership. There was work put in by army for the boys - streaming and organizing and everything that comes with it. Army and BTS are a genuine partnership and it’s very hard to explain to folks who aren’t part of it how genuine it feels.

I think we as a Fandom are really aware of the Power we have and the things we can achieve. With every Comeback we are setting goals we want to reach and we are very serious about this. So yah i´d say we are proud of these things and of course our 7 Kings.

Jimin can be mischievous with ARMY too, hahaha but, as you say, when he knows that it won't harm ARMY. But yes, he can say "shiró", I don't want, after reading an ARMY request loud. And this month he'll release his solo album, and will have 70 one minute videocalls with ARMY, I applaud him for that and wish that it goes all great for him -and, of course, for the fans who get to be called-. Thank you a lot for this video! I'm curious too about how they feel ARMY. They talk about seeing ARMY's eyes during concerts, feeling our excitement as part of what they do (ARMY is a part, as you said, of "BTS", and also the musicians, dancers, directors... they believe in this and don't forget to express it), and reading messages in Weverse (some congratulating or celebrating them, but also many thanking them and telling them their stories). Suga, I think, is the most aware that the fandom is composed by lots of different people who will like different things and act in different ways, while the rest seems to talk about an abstract, but yet human, entity that is growing and aging together with them. When they acknowledge the things that ARMY do, like voting, writing, in some concerts and even in the UN they quote actual messages, also in their lives... I feel part of that. I was so logically suspicious at the beginning, I didn't believe that they managed their SNS for example. But it doesn't take long knowing them.

Not sure if someone else wrote this but I've seen an interview with Rm and he explains that BTS' accomplishments (his example was an award they won that was in his hands), as he sees it, is 15% label, 5% per member and 50% ARMY. That is a big thing to say. That he believes we deserve more credit than all members combined. He said its how he keeps himself humble and down to earth in a crazy industry. I believe this to be why BTS has a special bond with their fans that other groups will never have. They truly are special!

Army is indeed the soul of BTS 💜

Me as an ARMY feel like they can win wethever they want without me but when they say that we win I feel like I help a little to make them a little more happier, and that's a lot for me

BTS & ARMY is something hard to describe but we need each other. BTS & their staff along with ARMY supporting other ARMY around the world across so many barriers in our love of all anything BTS. Its a support group connected in so many ways its hard to explain. 💜

I would love to know what each member pictures when they think of us. This would bring me so much joy 🥹

@taespitsah2153

Жыл бұрын

I’ve been an army since 2017. I’ve watched them grow and I laugh now remembering all the people I told about them. One of my old coworkers sent me a video they just randomly saw of them. It made me smile

oh will you also do some of their lives when they are each by themselves? would love to watch that too

Bts's live streams are like hanging out with my friend especially jungkook he is doing alot of live streams recently and he I just so real he be drinking, singing and telling us about his daily life as much as he can he just did one yesterday and fell asleep in the end fr lol

I think ARMY does feel like we are a part of their success. ARMY works hard to spread awareness of BTS music and message. We also listen and buy with intention. We know BTS is not going to see radio success in the US so we make sure we join listening parties and utilize focused playlists to account for that deficit. We also are present with BTS whenever they have activities, birthdays, concerts, shows, and everything. BTS shows us love, and we show them love. It is an easy relationship to have. One of respect and appreciation that is cared for by both sides. We really are special to eachother and we know it.

They go to bathrooms, sleep, snore, drunk and what not in their vlives. This vlive is kinda professional 😂

RM once said that as soon as he met V his first thought was…this kid is never gonna listen to me!😂

Rm and Suga were dissed by other rappers when they were first starting out(for being ‘idol rappers’)so I think sometimes they feel happy when they proved the haters wrong by suceeding💜🥳I feel happy for them🥳 As an Army we want them to be happy and they work so hard and the only way we can show how much we appreciate them is by achieving a number 1 or an award and we do whatever it takes to make it happen (WILLINGLY stream,buy,promote,vote,sleep less,also communicate well with other Army to achieve our goals …we are very proactive we really work for the results)because BTS works so hard for us🥳 Best example of Beautiful Teamwork ,that’s why BTS always share their awards with Army💜In the end it’s the kind of relationship where we only wish happiness and the best for each other💜(If they want to rest we respect that too🥳…this is just my point of view😶💖)

I think ARMY forgets there are boundaries with members. The blurred boundaries can be problematic. They forget that they don’t actually know them and insert themselves into their lives in a toxic way. Or think that they can make jokes at their expense because they forget that at the end of the day they are NOT friends or family. And I see that with All ages.

I'm one of the newer armys so I can't really feel like I achieved something for them, however I'm certain they give so huge credit to us because they just know that armys stream their songs and vote in polls tirelessly in our free time to secure all those wins for them. I (personally) see our relationship as constant giving back (love, support, kindness, appreciation) and that's why it works so wonderfully and also why there's so much respect from both sides. I mean, their message about self-love, authenticity, following your dreams and hard work are well-known and important but people don't talk enough about how they teach us to actually love - to love unconditionally, in healthy and respectful way. 💜

Jk was live early this morning for about 3 hours. He slept at the end and was cutely snoring with 15 million real-time viewers, then Weverse staff took the live down 😂

Yes, we are family 😊💜

I've always wanted to hear your opinion on this, and I hope you'll see my comment. Do you think being an Army fills a need? Sometimes I feel that they are filling a gap in my life and perhaps in the lives of others from the army as well. The friends gap, the emotional gap, or whatever. They give us unconditional devotion and love that we may not get in real life.

@maxpbeaumont

Жыл бұрын

I think it’s probably different for everyone - I’m sure BTS helps fill an emotional/connection void for some people, while for others just simply brings more joy to their life… as if they feel like they’re watching and riding along with an extended part of their family. I can’t speak for ARMY, but like I said, it varies. I’ll be diving into some more content and try to give you a clearer perspective.

@dysmissme7343

Жыл бұрын

YES! As an army who thinks far too much - yes! I think they do And I think unconditional devotion is definitely one of those gaps they fill- different people will have different gaps that need filling 💜 Unconditional devotion is a big one and one that is so necessary in life. I think another big gap is the feeling of being a part of something- Army is such an anomalous, wondrous, global community. There are so many ethos and say values and concepts around bts that army gather around. And bts/army *does* mean something, so many somethings. And then… as far as filling gaps in life.. bts >can Their music, and compilation of thoughts and philosophies form a half intentional guide through life. I could write a dissertation about this honestly- I wish I was a better essayist 😣 But yeah, so I do think that we all have some gaps in our lives that Bts could fill, or lessons that Bts could teach us. The very first lesson I usually see people learn is that they’ve been a bit prideful and judge mental. The first lesson is humility I guess 🤷🏻‍♀️ I’ve seen sooooo many people (myself included) who think of bts in a maligning way of “they just make meaningless, fluffy, soulless pop music” why would anyone care about them? And then you listen to their music and you like it, then you check out the lyrics and you sit and have an existential crisis. Boom. First lesson learned. That’s already a gap filled. I think many people are better people for stumbling across Bts.

When they’re talking to army it doesn’t feel romantic, brotherly or patently. Still like family to me since I grew up with them together but not really the type of family I have in my house. It‘s a whole different type of love. It contains much gratefulness, respect, affection, humor, comfort and soul. I used to not understand ppl that see themselves part of a fandom and always said „why do they do that? These ppl are also just normal ppl“ which is true, they see normal ppl like us. But I learned that that wasn’t even what mattered. Ppl just wanted to be there for these ppl they got something positive from. How come ppl I never met show me more affection and respect than many ppl around me do? And what they do and say is alway genuine. There is no pretend behind it and that’s because army also used to be nothing together with him. We basically grew up together and they know we know them the best. Whenever they talk to army and want to address them it’s serious a lot of times.

Hearing you talking about them reaching 10 million people on vlive, just today Jungkook did a live and slept with 15 million people watching him sleep.

I like the reaction that he gave to the BTS. It's good that he gets how the BTS communicates with the ARMY'S and how important the ARMY'S to the BTS is like a VIP.💯👍👍💜💜💜💜💜💜💜🤞🤞🫶🫶👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

It absolutely feel like we accomplished something too. They do their part and then we do our part. And we work hard at it.

For me, but I'm older than most (in my 40s), it seems like my best buddies have accomplished something. Not me personally, but my buddies, so I'm happy for them each time. I wish I could talk about them in my family, but can't, that would be weird. But it really feels like they are a part of my family or my friends. Every time they are on live, I have that feeling they are there for me (for us), it's a connection I haven't felt in my life before, and I can't explain. I'm not in love with them, I don't collect BTS stuff. But nonetheless I feel that strong bond that I can't quite qualify.

Whenever they thank army, I have to think back to recall if I did anything that actually contributed to that milestone. I think I always have, because I’ve listened to the song on the platform where some company counted, or I bought an album. So, I don’t celebrate the whole win, I just feel like I’m a tiny part.

In their individual weverse lives (ex vlive) they get way more personal with Army, crack jokes, flirt, whatever but you have them more…up close with his fans

A lot of ARMY will agree with me, we don't think it's our success, we do what we do because we love them and we want them to be successful and if that success makes them happy, to achieve everything they dream of, we will be happy. They do a lot of things for us, even with their busy life they always have a little bit of time for us, even Yoongi singing for us in his birthday or JK singing for us for hours and just eating chicken and chatting, each one of the 7 are incredible with us, that's like being with a best friend, 7 best friends. Their music is the best gift they gave us and their time is the second gift they give us. I just love these guys 💜💜💜

I love the way the guys include us and appreciate us, furthermore I love that we the army are so connected with each other even though we have never met but just knowing our love.for BTS unites us.

I think 1 thing that makes bts difference is that they acknowledge on a deeper and more personal level who we are as fans. They know the work we put in and the attention and care we have for them. Not a lot of artists are like that these days

your analysis makes me feel so validated about my love for bts fr

You just get BTS! It’s spot on. I love your reactions. I wished I could afford your Patreon.

I think it was Tae who asked Jimin to wrap it up, not Namjoon

My first and initial reaction to even the title of the video is, dude, you couldn't possibly understand.

they are just spending sometime in btwn shoots/recordings/practise with army to thank us and share this moment. THATS IT. there is nothing more or less. ONLY those who have genuinely connected with these 7 gems will understand the relationship bangtan and army share. OUTSIDERS who are attempting to decode this relationship - WILL NEVER fully GET IT.

WE ARE FAMILY

imho, I think BTS thinks of ARMY as a young girl. The way they are gentle with ARMY and careful to be appropriate in a way that would be appropriate when interacting with a young girl is what makes me think this. The way they dress, the lyrics of their songs, the content of their Lives and variety show, Run BTS on Weverse are for all ages. Of course, they know they have fans of all genders and ages but by aiming their interactions toward a young girl, they are always appropriate. When they are looking into the camera on Live, I can almost imagine them 'seeing' a young innocent girl.

@recreate21

11 ай бұрын

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