Bruckner: Locus iste (UniversitätsChor München)
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Anton Bruckner (1824-1896)
Locus iste
UniversitätsChor München
Leitung: Johannes Kleinjung
Live-Aufzeichnung vom 6. Februar 2011, Große Aula der LMU München
Videoproduktion: Daniel Wolf
Tonaufzeichnung: Klaus Krause
Bildregie: Katharina Binner
Kamera: Hanka Steidle, Max Tafelmayer, Simon Daum
www.unichor.de
Пікірлер: 127
I loved singing this, I had the tenor part. Great performance by the way!
This is absolutely beautiful. The voices, the direction, the basses,,, wow. I have done this many times during 50 years in choir and this one is my real keeper. Thanks.
Ah ,it is a so wonderful ,so soul-soothing work...
Schaue ich gerade im Neuhahrekonzert aus Wien 2024. So schön. Lg Ellen 🎼🎶🎤
Le plus beau chœur, mené par le meilleur chef de chœur. Magnifique
przepiękne wykonanie i brzmienie, przenika do głębi serca
I played this in my school's saxophone quartet last year. Such a beautiful song!
Beautiful job. One of my favorites!
Gorgeous! Bravissimi! This is the best version on YT. I think college-age singers bring more earnest and spiritual energy to great choral music. I've heard also the Yale glee club in person-fabulous! Thanks for this uplifting performance. How special to hear this in Atlanta. I love Germany, too, and Munich too, of course. I think of the Frauenkirche with fond memories. And of Schwarzwaelder's Restaurant.
Danke dafür, wunderschön relaxte Version zum Abschalten .....................................
Meu Deus que lindo ..amei 👏👏👏
Although my religion is muslima, I never forget this beautiful song, which I used to sing in my college chor long time ago. Till today the beautiful Latin words in my ears, alhamdollah.
@MeanMachineNZL
6 жыл бұрын
hadia felauer Me too..I still remember the words and notes. We won gold singing this back in the days at the 1998 NZ choir nats . It's amazing how music can create a life time of memories..😁
@garywait3231
5 жыл бұрын
Such sublime music unites all people of good will . Thanks for your comment
Sehr schön, Danke! Text: Locus iste a Deo factus est, inaestimabile sacramentum, irreprehensibilis est. Dieser Ort ist von Gott geschaffen, ein unschätzbares Geheimnis, kein Fehl ist an ihm.
muuy bueno, se nota la grandeza de la comprensión de las cosas divinas por parte de Bruckner
Lovely sound!
So toll gesungen!
Reminds me of the Mr. Bean opening song.
@maestrodanielepasini
7 жыл бұрын
l'inizio somiglia molto
@fastidioussloth6013
5 жыл бұрын
Choral music, with different words & trivial organ introduction by Howard Goodall, stolen from uncredited Anton Bruckner but BBC credited to Goodall. BBC and other TV channel continuity announcements are fond of interrupting & compressing credits anyway.
@WonderlandofMinecraft
4 жыл бұрын
@@maestrodanielepasini infatti Howard Goodall adattò questo pezzo per creare la sigla "ecce homo qui est faba" di mr bean
Me encanta, me recuerda cuando la cantabamos enel Coro de Cámraa de la UPB entre 1996 y 2000.
THANK YOU!!!...
Tenors are very imprecise when starting the verse "irreprehensibilis". By the way, for me this is absolutely the best performance on youtube
@nikolaossotiriou908
7 жыл бұрын
οντως υπεροχο!!!!!!
I’m here because of today’s answer in Wordle. I used to sing this in my choir at school and it will always be my all-time favourite.
@sabinebabetzky3891
Жыл бұрын
Exactly why I‘m here today 😂👍🤩🎶
@debschen72
Жыл бұрын
@@sabinebabetzky3891 🙌
Bravo wunderful gesungen!! My compliments Ton
exelente director a mano!!!
Magnifici
Dankeschön..♥♥♥
An den Universitäten Chor ich werde bald diese Werk in der Kantorei in Schallstadt -Wolfenweiler singen und aufführen.Ich wünsche Ihnen einen schönen Abend . JoachimEhlers aus Schallstadt südlich von Freiburg
Molto bravi!
So schön
München, ich komme! Ui, bei dem Chor will ich sowas von mitsingen. :D
In der Ruhe liegt die Kraft!
Loved the pace, tone and variation in the piece. How many performances are sung in one gear, all desperate to get to the end. V well done, and of course, the German influence so helps.
Umwerfend ,ihr Künstler, alle !
Parents, soyez fiers !
Well done!
Nice and helpful :-) Will hopefully sing this tomorrow.
This should be a TMEA ALL STATE SONG!!!
Wondermooi.
Sangat indah...🤗🤗
Muy bueno
I prefer "Deh-Oh" But, I'm American ..
@tylerscruggs2241
9 жыл бұрын
I agree. Everything was beautiful except that every time I heard "Dee-o" something inside of me cringed. Are they taught differently in different countries?
@mlshatto
9 жыл бұрын
Tyler Scruggs Yes, this is German Latin, and very helpful because our choir is using the German pronunciation tomorrow. You can also notice the schwa instead of "eh" at the end of "iste" and the zee in irreprehensibilis. A well-trained chorus will use this pronunciation in Carl Orff's "Carmina Burana." And since Bruchner was Austrian, it's probably much closer to what he heard than is our liturgical Latin.
@johnholmes912
4 жыл бұрын
it is Dee-oh in English
wow
Fantastic conductor! :D Wow. Rarely see a conductor with actual technique. :) And then what a surprise, the choir is amazing. Tenor entry on irreprehen sibilis est was quite shit tho :/ That was the only place I saw where the conductor wasn't very clear on entry- waved around a bit too much, so some came in early, and most if not all started on the wrong note. They should have been a bit more excited singing it too- a quiet, excited accent on every syllable. That is my only criticism. :) Well done though! -Ed
There exist four different church latins. In the early 20C the pope tried to make everyone use Dantean; He failed. In French and italian Day-oh in english and german dee-oh
klanglich super. bei 1:05 hörts sich so an, als ob der sopran noch mal kurz in die pause hinein sein letztes h anstimmt, damit der tenor sein c bekommt :)
Eccellente esecuzione.
That was the first piece I sung part of my school but I must admit it was rushed
Boa musica
The tenor entry at 1:04 is not only uneven, it is false as well!
Do you know many ancient Romans? Since Latin is considered a "dead" language, you can never be sure about it's correct pronunciation. Native English speakers tend to pronounce it different than, for instance, native German speakers etc. It doesn't necessarily mean one is right and the other is wrong.
0:44 der Typ oben links😂
@nnymus-kq8tj
4 жыл бұрын
er fühlt sich
One wonderful thing about Bruckner's Locus Iste is that there are singing groups that pronounce the Latin term for God as DIO while other groups pronounce IT as DEO. Both are correct, though. They refer to the same Almighty God.
@johnholmes912
4 жыл бұрын
Both are NOT correct; leaving aside Ciceronian (classical), one chooses from dantean, chaucerean or shakesperian according to the language of the composer. Italian pronunciation is inappropriate here.
@Vocalist904 Naja, wie schon geschrieben...ich mag den Tempowechsel nicht so sehr...aber das Ende holt da ordentlich was raus...mir gefällt die Verzögerung am Ende echt gut. Aber ich bin kein Experte auf dem Gebiet...
Oh sing joyfully
is it bad romance of those times?
Too fast - in my humble opinion. I also do not understand why the choir should have the score available for a relative uncomplicated motet in C-major that takes no longer than three minutes to perform. The tenor entry at 1:04 with the "irreprehen sibilis est" section is shockingly uneven. One would expect a German University choir to perform at a higher standard before posting on You-tube.
ein Tick zu hektisch... Aber super Job, das ist klar 💜
pronunciation - interesting comment, Ecclesiastical Latin is a little different in pronunciation from the Latin spoken at the height of the Roman Empire, funny you mention it to be a dead language too since a lot of schools are now teaching it again - but the difference in how it is pronounced between and English and a German choir singing this music, it makes no difference - if we want our Latin to be the best i guess we should all head off to the Vatican :-)
Tolles Stück. Fand ich sehr übereilt und teilweise gehetzt. Ein bisl mehr Dynamik würde das Stück um Längen aufwerten. Tenöre und Dirigent mal den Solo-Einsatz üben.. Fürn durchschnittlichen Uni-Chor ganz ok.
@angelosfotiadis98
Жыл бұрын
So eine Besserwisserei.. Sie finden es gehetzt aber sie finden auch, es würde an Dynamik fehlen. Sie haben keinen Sinn für das Schöne, offenbar... Hören Sie nicht, wie sanft, wie zärtlich die Mehrstimmigkeit verzaubert? Der Einsatz.. Pfff... Als ob, selbst wenn es so wäre, die Schönheit vermindert würde dadurch. Wie gütig von Ihnen, den Universitätschor grade noch überleben zu lassen. Ich bin ganz gerührt. Ob Sie taub sind? Das täte mir leid aber würde einiges erklären. LG.
Are they pronouncing "deo" correctly? It sounded like "dio" to me..
@TheGodlike300
4 жыл бұрын
they are
@johnholmes912
4 жыл бұрын
Yes....it ain't italian
DEO is pronounced with an open "E" like the word EST.
@cieslac
10 жыл бұрын
Not in the Latin that I learned at school.... so who is right? I guess no one...
@ruimoura2485
10 жыл бұрын
cieslac I am. Deo is pronounced like I said.
@cieslac
10 жыл бұрын
Rui Moura Then prove it! I am aware of scientific methods. I'm waiting! That endless discussion about latin pronounciation is so silly. What you hear is "German latin" which sounds different than (imho) ugly "American latin" which again sounds different than "french latin" and so one... So, a German choir with a German conductor (who normally decides about pronounciation) sings a song composed by a native German speaker. From that point of view it IS correct. Like it or not, no one forces you to listen, but don't claim it to be wrong, because that's just arrogant and not serious at all! If you really want to know what is meant correct, you would have to ask Bruckner himself. What a pity he can't tell us...........
@trp8155
10 жыл бұрын
cieslac Actually, Rui Moura is correct. Deo should be pronounced as "day-oh", not "dee-oh". I know there are differences in the Ecclesiastical Latin (Church Latin) sung here, and Classical Latin, but it does not affect the word Deo. The difference between the two pronunciations does, however, affect words such as "inaestimabile". Also, there really is no such a thing as German-Latin; Rome never conquered what is now modern-day Germany, and thus, never gave the German Confederations the Latin language. Modern German does not directly derive from Latin, as languages such as French and Spanish do. It's not only "American-Latin" that pronounces Deo as "day-oh"; go listen to the Monteverdi Choir, The Sixteen, or Polyphony, all British choirs and among the best in the world, sing this, and they pronounce it as "day-oh'. Do not accuse anyone of being arrogant -- especially when your reply came off as VERY pretentious and rude. I also have taken Latin in school, and have sung many pieces that contain the word "Deo". Never once have I said "dee-oh". Why do we not go ask the Vatican to see what they say? Seeing how Latin derived from there, and it is basically the only place that still speaks it constantly.
@ruimoura2485
10 жыл бұрын
cieslac German latin? American latin?? AHAHA WTH!?!? Latin is just Latin. I've studied Latin for 3 years, so I know what I'm saying. By the way, if I sing a song in german or french, do I have to sing it with my country pronunciation? ahah
This is absolutely gorgeous! Yet I can't help but feel that is seems a little bit rushed. I understand this was probably a deliberate choice by the conductor, but I think it should be a little be slower, and that the phrases shouldnt be so quickly finished. Anyway, thats just my meaning.
@johnholmes912
4 жыл бұрын
I thought it much too slow
So quiet
@naturlichich218
8 жыл бұрын
That isn't too much quiet. You could buy a better headset
The tenors starting irreprehensibilis est. ...ouch
Ich finde den Chor sehr kraftvoll, die Betonung und Aussprache sehr deutlich und sauber. ABER: Das Ganze ist mir persöhnlich ein wenig zu hektisch. Dieser Ort wird geweiht und nicht erstürmt. :-)
Ich bin ganz deiner Meinung. Auch "Denn er hat seinen engeln" ist mir persönlich fast zu schnell und hektisch. Aber das Erstürmen des Schlachtfeldes gehört bei heutigen Interpretationen scheinbar zum guten Ton. Anhören kann man es sich halt nicht mehr, aber das scheint viele nicht zu interessieren.
the more I live the more I realise the conductor's importance, in this case he failed :)
Gasteasoro
@CoasterfreakRaptor also.. Du hörst Hektik? Das Gegenteil ist der Fall, das Stück ist sogar ausgesprochen in Ruhe dargeboten. Einen Kritikpunkt hütte ich bei 1,03: Das irae bei den Männern sollte eigentlich einstimmig sein, das stört die Perfektion aber life ist life, da passiert schon mal was..
Mais on s'en fiche, de vos histoires de prononciation du latin. La seule chose qui importe, c'est que ces gens-là font de la musique extraordinairement belle ! C'est ce qu'on appelle l'interprétation.
Tempowechsel meiner Meinung nach völlig unpassend. Der Klangaufbau wirkt langsam viel besser. Ansonsten wirklich die schönste Version auf KZread, Kompliment!
In my opinion is too much fast, mainly in the "irreprensibilis" section. Good voices, but no emotions!
@andrewroberts8139
6 жыл бұрын
It's gorgeous singing, you obviously had your ears cut off at some point
@MeanMachineNZL
6 жыл бұрын
You need to close your eyes and listen. Then you'll feel the emotions.👍
Woher kommen die Tempowechsel und das zu schnelle Tempo? Von Bruckner sicher nicht, in den Noten steht nichts dergleiches. Außerdem heißt es nicht "irre Prehensibilis". Es ist hier nichts Irres, sondern etwas Ir-reprehensibilis. Man sollte sich vielleicht etwas mehr mit dem Text auseinandersetzen, dann gelingt die Musik auch besser. Und den großen C zum Schluss im Bass hat auch nicht Bruckner geschrieben. Der Stück ist nicht dafür da, damit Bässe zeigen können, dass sie so tief singen können, oder dass man zeigen kann wie theatralisch man dirigieren kann. Die Unsicherheiten im Tenor und die schwankende Intonation sind bei solchen Massechören normal, es gibt immer welche, die zu wenig zur Probe kommen und nicht gut genug den Stück singen können.
@helyushd6943
3 жыл бұрын
w Wusste nicht, dass Sie die Interpretationsfreiheit haben. Gut zu wissen, dass Sie das absolute absolute Gehör haben. Das nächste mal wenn ich mit der Familie Wheinachtslieder singe rufe ich dich an, damit du dich darüber beschweren kannst, wie falsch wir singen.
@xabulidema9454
3 жыл бұрын
@@helyushd6943 Oh, ein beleidigter Sänger!
Finde ich leider nicht so gelungen. Zwischen "Locus" und "iste" sollte nicht drübergezogen sondern leicht abgesetzt werden. Das Tempo ist zu gehetzt und generell ist die Interpretation viel zu exaltiert für den Inhalt. Mitunter klingt es schon fast wie ein Marsch.
Sie ham halt das ire prehen versaut.... :/
@Vocalist904
10 жыл бұрын
Ja haben sie.. :-) und leider bei einer sehr wichtigen Stelle..
@racine1685
10 жыл бұрын
?
@Vocalist904
10 жыл бұрын
manche Fehler fallen nicht so gravierend auf, dieser leider schon.. das meinte ich mit "wichtigen Stelle"..
@lukasartinger
5 жыл бұрын
Man muss aber auch sagen, das ist mal wieder ne Stelle wo der Tenor gefordert ist... Beim irreprehensibilis hört man jede kleinste Unsauberheit, und der harmonische Kontext ist nicht unbedingt der trivialste...
It’s DAY-oh not DEE-oh.
@zaprina1186
5 жыл бұрын
I studied Latin in school for 8 years (in Germany) and we pronounced it the way they do. Maybe it´s incorrect, but in this case accept it as a german accent...
@johnholmes912
4 жыл бұрын
NO NO and THRICE NO........... Latin should always use the pronunciation of the host language. The Modern tendency to Italianise Latin is abhorrent and just plain wrong. In English and German it is Dee- OH
V 1:05 tenor totálně falešný nástup.... u tak harmonicky jednoduché věci 😒
Vokale klingen hier sehr breit und unkontrolliert, ingesamt auch sehr steril und der Chorleiter wirkt etwas pedantisch. Da gibt es wesentlich bessere Aufführungen, aber anscheinend nicht auf KZread
Mehrere Tempi! Schrecklich betonte Endsilben: ist'e
pronounciation!!!! plus its rushed and separated it doesnt.flow
I do not like their interpretation, I think Chinsui should sing better.