Wow! Tim and Beth. Bikes@Vienna is my LBS. I love these folks. Thanks for this video. This was very informative. Planning a trip to France and desperately want to have a bicycle with me. This might help me decide.

@RideandShineBicycling

5 ай бұрын

Thank you! We have worked with them for some time now. They will be pleased to hear this comment. Bicycling in France...oooo...luck you. Good luck and Bon Voyage.

Great video Thanks to all who contributed in the interview.

@RideandShineBicycling

2 ай бұрын

Awesome, thanks for tuning in and showing your support!

Thanks for the video and commentary. I love both bike makes and respect the wicked engineering of the Brompton and the robust decency of the Dahon. Let's compare them to the Apple and Samsung markets. I'll chip in here for Dahon, thinking of the "Speed 8" which I own and love. It goes like stink, handles well on Schwalbe apple tyres and soaks up the bumps. One day when I grow up I'll buy that carbon framed Brompton I saw in the Covent garden shop😊

@RideandShineBicycling

4 ай бұрын

Ah, the eternal bike debate! It’s great to hear you appreciate the engineering of both Brompton and Dahon bikes. They each have their unique qualities that make them special. Maybe one day they will release a foldable bike with a touchscreen display? Keep pedaling towards your dream and thanks for your comment!

Almost bought a Brompton in 2009. Got a Dahon instead, to save money. After ten years, the frame cracked almost all the way through. I got a Brompton as a replacement and am glad I did. I commute with it, taking it on and off transit multiple times a day. Sometimes even a Brompton can be ungainly in the narrow bus aisles, but it's so much better than a Dahon or similar.

@RideandShineBicycling

9 ай бұрын

I do like that the Brompton has a 7 year warranty on the bike. But the cost! You got 10 years out of your Dahon and how much money did you spend on it? It might have been a good deal?

@geriannroth449

8 ай бұрын

@@RideandShineBicycling What do you think about the ride of the Moulton in comparison to that of the Brompton? Do you sell Moultons?

@RideandShineBicycling

8 ай бұрын

We are not that familiar with the Moulton. @@geriannroth449

@geriannroth449

8 ай бұрын

@@RideandShineBicycling ok that's one of the best designed & manufactured bike in the UK quite expensive too. You should check them out.

@RideandShineBicycling

8 ай бұрын

We asked Tim from Bikes@Vienna. His response is interesting. ' The Moulton is not a true folding bike. Rather, it is a “take apart” bike that you can break down fairly easily and pack. The original design in the 60s was seen as revolutionary and went a long way toward legitimizing small wheels in the bike world. We were a dealer for a few years ago, but found demand was pretty much zero, so we stopped. Great bikes, just a really tiny market.'

I have both. I prefer the Brompton for trains and buses (I don't fly) but the Dahon for general rides. You can get an adaptor for the Dahon to take Brompton bags.

@RideandShineBicycling

9 ай бұрын

That is interesting. I didn't know about the adaptor.

@ohhi5237

5 ай бұрын

agreed

I agree with your last comments. While I've always admired the Bromptons, their prices have always been more than I've been willing to spend. I bought a barely used Dahon Mariner D7 last year for $350 that looks and rides brand-new, and I think I got a great deal seeing how the Mariner D8's price tag is up near $900 to $1,000 now. I'm easy on my bikes so I anticipate it being around for a very long time.

@RideandShineBicycling

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your experience and thoughts, it's great to hear about your bike find! It sounds like you got a "mariner" deal with your Dahon! Ride on!

Have a Bike Friday New World Tourist set up with drop bars (more like a pocket rocket but for touring) that I ordered thru Tim. Great bike, tours well. Not a fast or small fold (it folds under and doesn’t have a frame break). But it is more of a disassemble for packing for flight into a large suitcase. Technically not airline legal but I’ve never been challenged on it. Also got a 700c bike with s&s couplers but haven’t had it apart yet.

@RideandShineBicycling

3 ай бұрын

That sounds like a versatile setup for your touring needs! Thanks for sharing.

I'm heavy so Bromton is most likely for me.Nice video Thankyou

@RideandShineBicycling

Ай бұрын

Hey, thanks for your support and for checking out the video! Brompton bikes are sturdy enough to handle riders 110 kg or 242 lbs. Happy cycling!

Love my Dahon D8 Mariner. Has a factory set of panniers and the 20" wheels are confidence inspiring

@RideandShineBicycling

3 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing your positive experience with the Dahon D8 Mariner. It's always great to hear happy customers!

@user-zx2ip8lp9y

Ай бұрын

love my dahon D8 launch...with jaw connection and tension rod ... so rigid and vital on rough road...analytically and engineering wise find it more ok than any other dahon model .....I live in tropical country...Asia.

@RideandShineBicycling

Ай бұрын

Looks like your Dahon D8 is the superhero of bikes, ready to conquer any rough road! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on it.

Would love to ride a brompton but it is to precious to lock up anywhere and I dont want to lug it around all the time.

@RideandShineBicycling

Ай бұрын

I totally understand your dilemma. Bromptons are like VIPS, too precious to be left alone. It's always tough to balance convenience with keeping your bike safe.

I use a Dahon my with Sram Dual Drive (24 gears) and this is far above a 6-gear Brompton. On normal roads It runs as fast as a big, normal sized bike. The difference between lowest and highest gear is phenomenal!

@RideandShineBicycling

3 ай бұрын

Your bike is like the superhero of the cycling world with its 24 gears, ready to conquer any road! I would love more gears on my Brompton. Thanks for sharing your experience with your bike setup, it sounds really impressive!

You are right on the brake lever. The brake lever for Brampton need to face downwards which is not ergonomic. I personally had hurt my wrist riding with bike lever facing down.

@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188

5 ай бұрын

I have seen people with "Horns" on a Brompton, to both sides of the wheel. I suppose that correcting the brake levers to a more "flat position" is possible also? At least try and see how much is possible, before hitting anything?

@RideandShineBicycling

5 ай бұрын

Yes, but over time you get use to it. Thanks for the comment

So pretty and fun looking.

@RideandShineBicycling

8 ай бұрын

They are like candy...at least for me.🤩

My Dahon P-5 Archer (Asian market model) lasted well over ten years. The clamping mechanism for the folding neck broke and being as old as it was and not warrantied in the North American market it was my incentive for a new folding bike. Got the D-10 and now a happy camper. Improved mechanics. Nice. Yeah, I am a Dahon loyalist. I wish they had some luscious color options for our market though instead of just silver, white, black and an occasional muted red or blue. Maybe I will have disposable income for a good powder coating in a fun color. How about Biria? Their one non-electric folding bike seems to hit the mark although I haven’t researched people’s take on its quality/longevity.

@RideandShineBicycling

3 ай бұрын

Congrats on your new wheels! Keep us posted on your biking adventures with the D-10, and maybe the Biria will be your next folding bike conquest! We haven't reviewed the Biria yet. Maybe sometime down the line. You can bring some luxurious colors to your bike. We have never used this but have heard other bicyclists have used Markal® B® Paintstik® - Economical "Paint Crayon" Permanent marks resist water, fading, and UV rays. Writes on metal, plastic, glass, rubber - wet or dry. Maybe we should do a video on this? Thanks for the comment and for sharing your experience.

I own both along with Tern, Bike Friday, Strida...with so many Brompton clones out there; I would not buy another Brompton. Parts are too expensive and difficult to replace, touring with it is a pain, the gearing is terrible.

@RideandShineBicycling

9 ай бұрын

That is quite interesting. You have tried them all. I have only ridden the Tern, the Birch, and the Dahon. I still like my Brompton and I like the 7-year warranty on it. Thanks for sharing.

@whazzat8015

4 ай бұрын

Brommies do specific things very well, like the Strida. Shifting does feel like doing the macarena, but the trade off is ruggedness and foldability

Two questions ... does the Dahon roll when folded, or must you carry it? ... If it rolls, would it be as easy to bring into places like coffee shops and stores as the Brompton (I don't want to have to lock the bike outside).

@RideandShineBicycling

9 ай бұрын

Great question! I think you have to buy an alternative wheel ( landing gear) to put on your Dahon and then yes it can roll.

@michaeltsui3435

6 ай бұрын

Dahons tend to roll in one direction only, but at least no one need to care about teeny brompton rack wheels breaking on poor pavement.

@ohhi5237

5 ай бұрын

it def doesnt roll like a brommie, youll have to carry it, but on the other hand you can just park it like any other bike, instead of bringing it in

@whazzat8015

4 ай бұрын

I would call the Dahon style more luggable. Rolling can be achieved. Never had anyplace I couldn't bring my folded Brommie into. All foldies make compromises for a good fit to the tasks they are asked to perform.

I picked up two barely used Retrospecs (7 speed) for $200 total and could not be happier. They are a legit bike. They are light, fast and comfortable.

@RideandShineBicycling

2 ай бұрын

Awesome find! Great price! Enjoy!

Bromptons aren’t rated to handle my 280 lbs mass. lol. The only Dahon that is rated for a person of my weight is the Hit. I ended up buying a Change Bike 809. It is a full sized hybrid bike with 27.5 wheels on a mountain bike frame. And yes it still folds. (But not nearly as small as the others)

@RideandShineBicycling

8 ай бұрын

Glad you found a bike that works for you.

Brommies are twtichier, use my Dahon if roads are rougher, and I have to go farther Tires, not just wheels can be bigger, Brommie in the trunk , for portability, convenience, less than 5miles , further if smooth I did a 3x9 rear hub on the Dahon, but I have old guy legs and the closer gears help. esp with trailers

@RideandShineBicycling

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your experience and tips, it's always helpful to hear from seasoned riders like yourself!

Hi what's the wheelbase of these two bicycles

@RideandShineBicycling

3 ай бұрын

It depends on the individual models, but it’s pretty similar to the Brompton, somewhere around 40-42”. They don’t give those details on their website, and I don’t have one to measure here. Hope this helps. 😄

The fair comparation would be the Dahon curl i8 vs Brompton as they are similar in shape, size, technology and fold the same way.

@RideandShineBicycling

Ай бұрын

Thanks for pointing out the similarities between the Dahon Curl i8 and the Brompton! Let the folding games begin!

never drove a Dahon but had a Brompton about 15 years ago. Quality and fold was top notch but for me the ride was too unstable. I never felt safe in urban areas.

@RideandShineBicycling

9 сағат бұрын

It's interesting to hear your perspective on the Brompton. We haven't heard that one. Yes, safety in urban areas is definitely a priority, and finding the right bike for your comfort is crucial. Thanks for sharing.

Just to add, if you're tall and want fully upright then the Dahon is better. I'm 5'9 and have to lean slightly on the Brompton rather than dutch style upright.

@RideandShineBicycling

9 ай бұрын

I can see if you are a taller person that might be a slight disadvantage. I am 5'5 and I feel that I am fully upright on my Brompton. Thanks for the comments.

@napilopez

9 ай бұрын

Are you using the H bar?

@bobalinga

9 ай бұрын

@@napilopez yup

@RideandShineBicycling

9 ай бұрын

Yes, you have a good eye. @@napilopez

@ohhi5237

5 ай бұрын

yes im 6 4 and dahon has a normal upright position

yup, the bike in the window, is a 64, Raleigh RSW dahon clone is a raleigh evo clone :) raleigh are now on to the evo 2 and e v 2 350 pounds and the ev electric 1200 pounds. also raleigh was liquidated in uk last year and bought out,

@RideandShineBicycling

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing the info about the Raleigh bikes! Impressive knowledge!

It is a little like comparing potatoes with apples? They have their different uses. A Bromptons small wheels, and its hard ride, is part of it primary function: To be portable as "Super Folded" to a one wheel size!!! If in need of a larger wheel, ½ folder, try an American "Montague", which is a former Army Bike, based folder!! It is an ordinary, multi gear MTB type bike, also for rides in terrain, as the Army sometimes need to do that also. Finn. Denmark

@RideandShineBicycling

5 ай бұрын

I have never heard of a Montague. I will check it out. Thanks for the comment.

Are these worth any money? Just found one that picked up during my scrap metal runs. The Stainless is pretty mint. Some surface rust on other parts but clean overall. It looks really old that why I’m trying to look up some more info on it. It has 16” wheels & 3 speed, tag says Dagon Carson, California.

@RideandShineBicycling

Ай бұрын

It's always exciting to stumble upon hidden treasures! Researching more about it will give you a better idea of its value.

@luissonoma6255

Ай бұрын

@@RideandShineBicycling That’s what I’m trying to do. It’s an 87’ seat might not be original but fairing are & chain guard too. The tires might be original but super dry rotted. Just ordered a set of white ones with tubes. I have to wash some videos on how to wash it because I don’t want cause any more damage.

@RideandShineBicycling

Ай бұрын

That sounds like a great project! Best of luck with restoring your bike.

Can see spending money if you’re using it everyday, but, just for weekends, I’ll save some money.

@RideandShineBicycling

2 ай бұрын

Yes, it's easier to justify spending all that $ when you use it daily

Brompton every time no question quality counts

And Citizen bikes are the best budget folding bikes!

@RideandShineBicycling

23 күн бұрын

Cheers for the Citizen bikes shoutout! I don't know much about the Citizen bikes, but I have seen them on the paths.

Brompton hands down the easiest folding bike to take to travel. They really embody what a folding bike is. You should be able to take it anywhere and travel anywhere because of the compact form. I haven't seen anyone who travels with 20 inches that don't have to break apart their folding bike. Which defeats the purpose of buying a folding bike. You buy a folding bike because you can bring it with you, and no need to break it down. Just folded it, and put it in the bag. open it and ride. If I have to break down my bike, I might as well bring my road bike. Also, there are a lot of options for Brompton bags. Hardcase and softballg.

@RideandShineBicycling

6 ай бұрын

Who needs a magic carpet when you have a Brompton folding bike? It's like having your own portable ride that fits in a bag. No need to break it down, just fold it up and let the adventures begin! Great addition...Thanks

dahon: cheaper, better for bigger guys, HAS A KICKSTAND !!! brom: smaller, easier to fold

@RideandShineBicycling

5 ай бұрын

Nice quick comparison! Thank you.

@whazzat8015

4 ай бұрын

Brommie folk just fold the rear wheel under if the need it to stand up by itself. Sidestands (kickstands to some) are to be had

never found the brompton atractive, to me it just looks hideous, the frame looks odd, the handlebar looks childish and uncomfortable the way the ends go up. obviously it's a preference, but i would choose a dahon or tern every time.

@RideandShineBicycling

Ай бұрын

People have smirked at me while I am on my Brompton bike. Yes, I might look like a weirdo on my clown bike, but I still love it. The Tern and the Dahon do look more like a regular bike. Beauty is in the eye of the bike holder!

This channel makes disparaging comments about Dahon and Tern vs Brompton like “…not as much engineering…”, “…cheaper components..” , “…based in China…” which all seems to infer ‘cheap and nasty’. I have owned Dahons and Terns since 2006, commuting at least 3500 miles / year every year. My old Dahon Jetstream P8 cracked through the frame after 7 years but I had abused it. My Tern Link p24 has been flawless since 2013. To say the components are cheaper is an erroneous generalisation. You can buy some very very high end non-electrified Dahons and Terns off the shelf, much higher specced than any Brompton…which Tern and Dahon can do because Brompton has only one frame design, which is tweaked slightly occasionally, and therefore what is capable of being done with that frame is limited. Tern and Dahon innovate all the time. The politest thing I can say about Brompton engineering is that it’s lazy. Tern and Dahon have loads of models and unique patents. You called that English geezer a genius but glossed over the fact that Dr David Hon was formerly a researcher and designer at the cutting edge of solid state lasers, initially in energy weapons for Hughes Aircraft Corporation in the late 1970s, but subsequently for nuclear fission generation (the holy grail of zero emission energy) but decided to focus on non emission commuting by designing folding bikes, committing to making zero emissions his life’s work. David Hon is an ACTUAL genius, not a bloke who manages to sell a lot of overpriced bikes (Goodness knows why). My partner has a Brompton which she loves. I have ridden it and don’t see any reason to choose it over my Tern.

@RideandShineBicycling

5 ай бұрын

Sorry, you feel that way. We always try to be neutral and present the information to help the buyer. Thank you for your information.🙂

@the_black_douglas9041

5 ай бұрын

@@RideandShineBicycling No need to apologise. Just consider not misinforming buyers.

@RideandShineBicycling

5 ай бұрын

Tim of Bikes@vienna is an expert on Dahon, Tern, and Brompton bikes. He has been selling these bikes for over 8 years. This information is from a reputable source.@@the_black_douglas9041

Stick with the Brompton. Better for travelling

@RideandShineBicycling

7 ай бұрын

Love to travel with my Brompton.

@ohhi5237

5 ай бұрын

i ride a bike for riding, not travelling, the transportation benefits are just that, benefits

zizzo folding bikes here. 23 pounds and Withstand the family abuse no problem.

@RideandShineBicycling

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for highlighting the durability of the Zizzo folding bikes!

Neither are best. The Tern Verge X11 is the greatest folding bike ever made. These bikes are like toys in comparison. The Brompton will kill you to climb even a 12% grade hill.

@RideandShineBicycling

5 ай бұрын

We appreciate the comment. The Tern is a good bike.

@ohhi5237

5 ай бұрын

what doesnt kill you makes you stronger

@whazzat8015

4 ай бұрын

All foldies make compromises. You get the tool that fits the job.

@RideandShineBicycling

4 ай бұрын

Absolutely, every bike has its pros and cons!

BROMPTON ELECTRIC. "THE WORLDS MOST UNRELIABLE BIKE?”.. Both of my Electric Brompton"s continuously keep braking down. The poor quality bearings & electronics keep failing. Brompton knows about this. But just keeps replacing them with same the parts. Buy yourself several Chines copies for the same price. Or better still a Honda CBR 125cc motorcycle for the same price. Feel less disappointed & save yourself a fortune.

@RideandShineBicycling

4 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing your experience with the Brompton Electric bikes. Potential buyers need to be aware of both the positive and negative aspects of a product. This particular video is not about Brompton Electric. We do have another video about that specifically.