I am one of the people on ADVrider who posted about this problem. A couple guys did email ApriliaUSA and got no where. Basically, the corporate response is to ignore the issue because most people will never open their forks because most won't go off-road and won't realize they have a problem. I switched my progressive springs to linear, increased the spring rate (I weigh 80kg), and had the bent shims replaced and the shop added a taller space to prevent the cupping problem.

@PatchedBandit

Ай бұрын

Im the same weight. Would be interested to hear what parts you went with 😊. .. and how the bike feels? I pinned the comment as this needs to be seen by everyone.

@more3852

Ай бұрын

I contacted Aprilia us and have an email chain with a rep that "seemed" to say they will cover it under warranty at only an Aprilia dealer. They hate to admit it but they know all about it. I do not trust any Aprilia dealer to make this fix.

@briangc1972

Ай бұрын

@@PatchedBandit My suspension guy install K-Tech springs. Part # 38-425-60 These are for a Yamaha and are a few mm shorter than the OEM springs. He fabricated an adapter/spacer to fill in the gap. The bikes rides higher in the stroke and does not dive half as much as the progressives allowed on hard braking. I have never bottomed out, so I do not miss the few mm I sacrificed. Both on road and off road handling are greatly improved.

@PatchedBandit

22 күн бұрын

UPDATE 10/07/2024: Fist 2024 bikes are getting opened and they have the same issue according to advrider forum. Unfortunately it looks like even though the issue is known by Aprilia nothing is being done about this. Every single owner on that forum thread that has opened the forks find the same assembly mistake in there all the way through years 2022, 2023, 2024.

@chriscleland7008

18 күн бұрын

@@PatchedBanditWow. I can’t believe they still have not fixed this, mine is a 2023. I would be interested in the cost of having yours repaired. Can you give us an idea? I am thinking about having mine looked at. Thanks again for this video!

My Tuareg was a '22 Martian Red. I noticed the suspension not feeling right on washboard surface. Dealer in Denver Colorado said the piston was installed upside down on left fork leg, compression side. Warranty repair was approved.

Hi! First of all, very good and informative video, best i have seen about Tuareg forks. I have 23 Tuareg and had the same issue, valve was upside down, shims were bent and all blue, burnt oil had clogged oil passages and oil itself was totally black. Here in Estonia dealer didnt know anything about it, at least thats what they said.

Good informative video. At least it’s not eating camshafts like a KTM 790/890.

Watching that dude work slowly and precise was a true pleasure 👍 and again Aprillia have a big problem on their hands, which is a shame because they do build great bikes but there is allways just that little thing to concern people

Pleasure watching that dude work! Awesome video

@PatchedBandit

Ай бұрын

He is a true master of his craft 🤌

Great video. I did my own repairs and upgraded the stock base valve (check valve) with a high speed base valve from EVO Oregon in the compression leg. I also installed 0.6 linear springs. The bike is so much better now. My shims were completely cracked. I had a crash on the ORBDR last year where I went through the front screen and broke the stock dash tower. My gut tells me that this was partly due to the messed up front suspension. So if you're listening @Piaggio: This is a safety issue and people could get hurt! Sounds expensive!

Kiitos ! loistava video

Tnx for this video 🤘🏻 good information and I hope at this moment after changes work better

@PatchedBandit

Ай бұрын

Its much better 😊 still might swap stiffer springs at some point

My Aprilia rear shock had metal thread's in the blades. After 800km I just had spring function. Got a new on warrenty. And a workshop opened it up and said it was poor machining by kyb. New shock and it worked much better for 10.000km. Gonna get my front checked this winter. Have not noticed on normal riding. But poor damping in hard bumps. Awsome video. Best Regards viewer from Norway

Wow, that is a nice suspension shop - think I even saw a shock dyno in the back corner. I took the forks apart on my '22 per the ADVrider forum and found the piston was installed backwards and allow the shim deformation in the compression side. I got lucky - the rebound side shims were ok - wish I had the shorter bypass sleeve, but just reassembled being careful to keep the shims off of the threads when tightening. On the compression side, I flipped the piston so the bypass sleeve now fit into its groove and replaced the bent shims and installed the custom compression base valve from EVO Oregon. Fork feel is very plush now, but I'm thinking that a non-progressive front spring might be better as the initial suspension feels a little soft.

Such a pleasant thing that you have people who can be trusted to work out the kinks. Piaggio Corp needs to do better with communication and follow-up. Heck, fix it and improve the next batch.

Olipa mukava katsoa kun ammattimies tekee töitä 👍🏽 … ja videokin jälleen ammattitasoa 🙌🏻

@PatchedBandit

Ай бұрын

Tähän paloi kyllä aikaa aivan älyttömästi.

Great video. I have seen some posts on this problem. It's quite possible every bike has this issue, it just might not be felt by all riders. Aprilia should do a recall to address this issue but how do we get them to do it? It would be nearly impossible to get a dealership to tesr down a fork to ide tify a shim stack issue. I will be keeping a close on how my bike performs,,, once I get it back.

@PatchedBandit

Ай бұрын

Thanks! I don't think there is much customers can do other than ask about it from their closest dealer and make a bit of fuss to get this sorted. I wanted to make this video to raise awareness to all the owners to at least have the knowledge about the issue. I hope the video reaches a lot of riders out there and helps some of them.

@bretthawton

Ай бұрын

@@PatchedBandit Mine were ripped with only 5% riding time on gravel roads! Sent the invoice for repairs with pictures to Piaggio North American 2 weeks ago, but they haven't responded.

@scratastic1

Ай бұрын

I think it's also a problem with a lot of new riders like me (hopefully I can pick up my new Tuareg this week) that have no previous off road experience to compare how it should feel. Also it will be very hard to be in a situation where you're able to compare other Tuareg's.

Felt this a couple weeks ago on my 2023. Was going down a dirt ride with some speed and hit a lot hole and it felt like I had no suspension through it. Most of the force was transferred to my hands and wrists. Scared me for a minute, but at least now I know what the issue is!

@PatchedBandit

Ай бұрын

Thanks for commenting. Every comment helps to better understand the problem scale. Unfortunately from the information here and ADV rider forum it looks like every bike is affected and even worse nothing is being done to this from the manufacturer side. Even 2024 bikes have been reported.

@ricklee4122

Ай бұрын

@@PatchedBandit can we tag Aprilia here somehow? Maybe we should share around their contact details to make it easy for everyone to reach out. It really is a warranty issue.

@gregbradnam14

Ай бұрын

I have a 2022. I think I'm having the same issue.. from Canada

I've upgraded mine with a Tractive x-treme closed cartridge kit and rear shock. Big improvement!❤ Price is about 3000 euro for the kit

@briangc1972

Ай бұрын

Post a link for us please.

@RedRupert64

Ай бұрын

Do you know the strength of the front springs that TracTive supplied?

Ok, wow. Now this is very, very interesting information and a great video, a thousand thanks! I've read countless stories about those forks and I really have to do something about that on my bike too. Ja samaa suomeksi. Mä olen ajanut kaksipyöräisillä vuodesta 1990 lähtien mutta en ole koskaan ollut mikään jousituksen asiantuntija enkä ole kunnolla sisäistänyt säätöjen sun muiden merkitystä, olen vain sopeutunut ja sovittanut oman ajamiseni kulloisenkin vekottimen ominaisuuksille. Ja valtaosa omasta ajamisestani on kuitenkin asvalttipinnalta, tämä adventurepuoli on ollut lähinnä vuosien 1990-1992 ja 2021-present välistä harrastusta eli tavallaan ihan uutta juttua mulle. Muutama kesä takaperin Tuareg-toverillani oli eräällä reissullamme vuokralla KTM:n super adventure vai mikä olikaan, ja ajoin sillä yhden iltapäivälenkin. Ihastuin silloin sen keulaan ja hakemalla hain kaikki routapaakut ja muut kuopat ja möykyt huonokuntoisilla asvalttiteillä, joita silloin kurvailtiin, ihan vain sen takia että ne eivät tuntuneet kertakaikkiaan miltään. Ne vaan imeytyivät sinne jonnekin, pyörä vain liiteli kaiken yli. Odotin samaa kokemusta Tuaregin ostaessani kevättalvella 2022 mutta pieni pettymys olikin kun se ei ihan samalla tavalla reagoikaan töyssyihin. Kyllä ne Aprilialla tuntee ja huomaa. Voisikohan tuo sittenkin olla sieltä keulan rakenneongelmasta kiinni vai meneekö edelleen erilaisen pyörän ja jousituksen piikkiin. Saa nähdä, olen melko valmis viemään oman pyöräni TTM:lle huollettavaksi. Kiitos vielä loistavasta videosta :)

@PatchedBandit

Ай бұрын

Super adventure ja iso GS ovat ihan eri vehkeitä. Ne todellakin piilottaa kraaterit allensa ja suorastaan leijuu kaiken yli. Ei näistä "keskikokoisista" adv pyöristä mikään ole mun käytössä siltä tuntunut, mutta jämäkkä ja tärisevä on silti ihan eri tuntemukset. Pyörän pitää tuntua siltä, että se pysyy tiessä vaikka tulee kuoppaa ja pattia vastaan. Alustaan pitää pystyä luottamaan 100 vauhdissa mutta myös 20 vauhdissa eikä se saa hakata käsille nimismiehenkiharassa niin että paikat irtoaa takahampaista. Tuareg on (toimiessaan) parempi, kun esim perusmallin Tenere 700. Asfaltilla tätä videolla korjattua ongelmaa ei tunne. Suosittelen tsekkaamaan keulan, kun se ei kovin kallistakaan ole. Todellakin sijoituksen arvonen homma ja samalla tulee tehtyä öljynvaihto mikä on aina hyvä juttu keulaputkille, joihin yleensä tyypit vaihtaa öljyjä ihan liian harvoin.

@TheFaitteri

Ай бұрын

@@PatchedBandit se on täysin totta, mä sen olen myös tiedostanut että keulan öljyjen vaihto olisi kannattanut tehdä jo ekan vuoden jälkeen. Mulla tulee ihan just kymppitonni täyteen eli seuraavan huollon aika. Mutta noista kilometreistä voisin äkkiä sanoa että 6-7000 on tullut sorateillä ja pienillä poluilla. Olen koittanut onnistuneesti pysyä poissa kestopäällysteeltä tuolla vehkeellä.

@PatchedBandit

Ай бұрын

@@TheFaitteri Onko Tuaregi muuten palvellut asiallisest?

@TheFaitteri

Ай бұрын

@@PatchedBandit mun Indaco Tagelmust on pelittänyt mallikelpoisesti, ei minkäänlaista ongelmaa. Toverin Martian Red nyt onkin sit kiukutellut enemmänkin. Heti kärkeen oli se perinteinen startin löysä / hapettunut liitos ja hinurilla huoltoon. TET-reissulla hukkasi keulan yläkolmiosta sen ison mutterin ihan tosta vaan. Tällä hetkellä vilkuttaa iloisesti bensamittaria eli olikos se nyt sitten se anturivika.. Penkki "suli", tai jotain sille kävi, se on siitä munien kohdalta ihan jäätävässä tahmassa, ikäänkuin siinä olisi liimaa. Mutta mä tiesin jo netin ekoista prototyyppikuvista, että tuommoinen pitää saada, ja tuolla värillä, niin olihan se heti hankittava 350:n Tuaregin kaveriksi samalla värimaailmalla. En ole katunut hankintaa :)

I notice a patch of fork roughness/instability as I side-to-side under engine decel coming into roundabouts on my '24 Tuareg. I also feel a notch when compressing the front fork while sitting stationary. Tried another bike in the shop, and it also has this notch. Wonder if either of these are related to the issue you have shown here. Thanks to you + TTM for the info.

@PatchedBandit

19 күн бұрын

I'ts possible. I've read about bikes from -24 having the same exact issue. So already from years 22, 23 and 24. I recommend getting it fixed asap.

Nice 👍

I am for sure interested in a possible custom build, if you get into that. Would be nice to have Ti nitride barrels if that's an option. I'd lean more towards a linear spring, and I was reading it's hard to find them sized for the stock barrels.

@PatchedBandit

27 күн бұрын

That would be cool! I have insufficient funds to even think about that this year though 😂

Great video, thanks!!! What year is your Tuareg? Do you think it would be only certain years/batch or all Tuaregs? Just asking because I have a 2023 model purchased Nov 23.

@briangc1972

Ай бұрын

All the bikes on ADVrider that were opened up had the deformed shims, the range was from early 2022 to 2024. It is a very good guess that this affects all bikes delivered.

How much was the fix, and do you think you can get something back from the dealer? Excellent video again 👍🏻

@PatchedBandit

Ай бұрын

I don't want to disclose pricing as it may vary over time and due to many other reasons. TTM Factory can give quotes themselves 😊 I did pay for the service though so this is not a sponsored video. I'm not after any compensation from the Aprilia dealer either for myself. I just wanted to make this video to raise awareness among owners. The service is not super expensive though as it's mostly just work and oils if no other parts are broken.

Thank you for the heads up and great vid. Im planning to buy a used 22 Tuareg in few days, it has around 10Km on it, is there a way to know if it has that problem by test driving it?

@PatchedBandit

Ай бұрын

No easy way of telling without taking it apart. But my money would be on that it has this problem if it hasn't been fixed during that 10Km.

I got a quote for around $300 for the fix at a private suspension shop. The dealership said they would have a look and try to warranty it with Aprilia. They couldn’t give a time estimate as they may have to order parts. So now I’m stuck deciding between the quicker but costly option or the most likely long and maybe cheaper option.

@PatchedBandit

Ай бұрын

I decided to go with expertise. Specialized shops like the one on this video know exactly what they are doing and they get the job done quick with parts already in the shop.

@igioz

19 күн бұрын

go to expertise forget warranty better setting, new oil and more it is not very expensive at all

Thanks for posting this very in depth video of TTMs work on your forks!!! I have been following the Adv forum posts of what people were finding when taking apart the forks. Do you know if TTM flipped the piston (compression fork) from it's installed position, or left it in the same orientation as it was installed? I was looking at the before and after in your video and couldn't tell for sure. If you read the Extravaganza post on ADV Rider that was a point of discussion (what is or was the intended design). Also what Shim stack to use. The V1 vs V2 version from Bikedude987. I have a new to me 2023 660 still below the 621 mile break in (US). Feeling similar fork response to what people are posting.

@PatchedBandit

Ай бұрын

Pretty sure the piston was also flipped but as making a step by step tutorial would have taken the whole day this wasn't the main purpose of the video unfortunately. I was allowed to film but that was pretty much it 😅 At 5:20 you can see how it was assembled in the factory. 8:07 is where you can see the piston going back in place.

@videojeff999

Ай бұрын

@@PatchedBandit I understand, thanks again for posting this.

@PatchedBandit

Ай бұрын

I checked the film again and took screenshots. You can actually see the piston flipped here. I posted pics for you to see: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bOypFrDlJMJe6I9FnK7h2RpM3THV6RkB?usp=drive_link

@PatchedBandit

Ай бұрын

Sry the link wasn't working. Now it should work.

@tosh726

6 сағат бұрын

@@PatchedBandit thank you very much for posting this important information. I am about to purchase a 2024 Tuareg 660 and I will be using it for off-road riding as much as on-road. Great work!👍

If this is a problem, it depends for the factory: how many riders? We all know that forums tend to make a lot of noise, yet it's mostly them who find out and make it public. The factories would rather prefer to sit it out. Hope that Aprilia will give you something for addressing the problem. Because they will work Kayaba for a rebound. Cheers, Günter/Nürnberg

@PatchedBandit

Ай бұрын

True that bad noises are very loud. But also I havent found a single post here or on the forums of anyone opening theirs and finding a correctly put together forks. Starting to think this might be on all bikes…. Ofcourse this is just guessing.

@briangc1972

Ай бұрын

As far as "making a lot of noise", not one person on ADVrider who has looked has found their forks do not have this problem. The count is approximately 25 out of 25 inspected all have the problem. VINs from early 2022 to end of 2023. No one with a 2024 has added to that thread as of yet. This is the 3rd KZreadr who posted this issue.

@enduromotorradtouren

Ай бұрын

@@briangc1972 Good to know. A friend rides one and never mentioned a word. Will ask my Aprilia dealer, he's a good one. Happy days, Günter/Nürnberg

Hyvä täsmennys ettei ongelma ollut Aprilian puolelta tullut 👍 . Tosin asiasta vielä vähän mielenkiintoisemmaksi tekee se, että pyöräthän käy siinä ensihuollossa, ja ihmeesti siinä ei paljoa välitetä itse pyörän kokonaistoiminnasta kuitenkaan 🤔 . Josta tosiaan videon lopussa mainitsitkin 😀.

@PatchedBandit

Ай бұрын

Jälleenmyyjäthän on vähän valitettavassa välikädessä, jos valmistajalta ei tule virallista tiedotetta että tällaista ongelmaa on. KYB on todennäköisesti möhlinyt kasauksen omassa päässä ja myynyt putkia ison läjän tällä tavoin väärin kasattuna. Olis asiallista, jos asia huollossa tarkastettais ja korjattais valmistajan piikkiin. Mutta nää on hankalia keissejä varmasti. Jälleenmyyjiä tästä ei tietysti voi syyttää.

@tyhmintyomies5739

Ай бұрын

@@PatchedBandit kyllä hyvin asiaa täsmensit vielä lisää ja totesit myös videonkin lopussa näitä seikkoja, jonka huomiona vielä lisäsin itsekin omaankin kommentointiini. Asioissa on tosiaankin niin useita tekijöitä, ja kun vika on yhden komponenttivalmistajan, niin kukaan ei toki haluaisi ottaa siitä aiheutuvia kustannuksia omille harteilleen kovin helposti. Harmi vain tällaiset jutut itse tuotteen ja niiden omistajien puolesta. Tuotat muutoin laadukasta materiaalia englanniksi 👍 .

What was the issue with the Rally Raid forks on the CRF300? I feel a fair bit of 'stiction' with mine.

@PatchedBandit

Ай бұрын

Wrong oil levels and airing: kzread.info/dash/bejne/aGWBp9GphdWZo7g.html

@uralicdneprov1806

Ай бұрын

I've got quite high stiction too. I've took it apart to investigate and rework. I figured out that all that stiction comes from SKF dual compound seals. No matter how well it is lubricated or if bearing grease is used instead of fork oil, it still keeps high stiction. The cause is not related to Rally Raid cartridge. The only possible fix is to replace seals with different brand. I haven't done that yet.

@Itchybite

Ай бұрын

@@uralicdneprov1806 thank you for your information

On my 2023 Tuareg,I'm feelling insecure offroad,there are a very harsh suspension response ,unexpectable from a offroad oriented bike. I suspect the same problem.

@PatchedBandit

25 күн бұрын

As far as I know everyone who has opened theirs on ADV forum has the problem with 2022 and 2023 bikes at least.

@Kai-ze2rb

4 сағат бұрын

maybe try to open compression damping more than recommended. I did this and it felt way better, The issue described here is a minor one with a less obvious effect than you describe. Start with opening compression damping completely, then half way and after that find the right settings for you. You will feel the right amount.

How much did the service cost you? I asked a few shops and they just want to service forks not look into the shims

@PatchedBandit

Ай бұрын

I hesitate on disclosing pricing as I’m not involved in the business and dont want everyone to assume it would always be the same. I suggest asking for a quote using this video as reference to what needs doing.

@romroger

Ай бұрын

@@PatchedBandit thanks. I dont live in Finland but riding around europe with goal to go up to Talinn. So I was kinda curious to see if crossing the baltic could be worth it😅

@PatchedBandit

Ай бұрын

Timo can give a quote through their website. Links in the description. Pricing is very modest considering the superior level of knowledge they have in my opinion. But they are BUSY so book well in advance.

@romroger

Ай бұрын

@@PatchedBandit thanks man

Hard to believe such bad quality control

@PatchedBandit

Ай бұрын

Most likely there has been a wrong assembly instruction on the assembly line itself. But this is me just guessing as I know nothing more about this than any other customer.

@briangc1972

Ай бұрын

@@PatchedBandit I do know that KYB replied to an inquiry and said that the bent shims should not affect performance of the suspension. It is later in the thread on ADVrider.

@PatchedBandit

Ай бұрын

@@briangc1972 Well thats a * answer. Cant use the right word as YT would just remove my comment. This would mean they are lying to save money. Not a good look.

@SupermotoCentral

Ай бұрын

Yamaha owned Kayaba tried to sabotage the better Tuareg 😅

How much did a repair like that cost.

@PatchedBandit

Ай бұрын

I hesitate on disclosing pricing as I’m not involved in the business and dont want everyone to assume it would always be the same. I suggest asking for a quote using this video as reference what needs doing.

I think it's an issue of the older models... 24 onwards seems to be OK... Haven't seen any people with newer models reporting it so let's hope it's ok now!

@PatchedBandit

25 күн бұрын

But I also havent seen anyone with -24 open their forks… I hope you are right. But not seeing reporting doesnt mean the issue is gone.

@Dar7635

24 күн бұрын

@@PatchedBandit true! Only time will tell!! My forks seem to be working well for the time being....I hope they stay that way!

@PatchedBandit

6 сағат бұрын

@@Dar7635 First -24 was opened on the advrider forum. Same issue.

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Curious what Aprilia had to Say here 🤔 . Normally this would be a warranty issue .

@PatchedBandit

Ай бұрын

I have not asked for any comment from Aprilia myself. I have informed my dealer about this and they see the video too. As this is not a brand new finding I don’t think there is going to be any official callback about this issue. First post on ADV rider about this was way back in ”Bikedude987, Feb 9, 2023”. But the problem is not just a couple of bikes.. clearly.

@bretthawton

Ай бұрын

@@PatchedBandit Piaggio North America knows about the problem but they aren't doing anything about it. I've talked to 3 reps about this and sent pictures of my ripped shims with invoice for the repair 2 weeks ago with no response.

I was considering buying an Aprilia Tuareg, but now I will wait until this issue is resolved. The suspension is one of the features that attracted me to the Tuareg; if it's faulty, then that's a problem.

@igioz

19 күн бұрын

is easier to solve perhaps

@PatchedBandit

19 күн бұрын

Good thing about this is that its not expensive to get fixed. A couple of model year -24 bikes have already reported the same issue so looks like nothing is gonna get done about this as its already a third model year with the same problem.

interesting, another reason not to like split fork systems, and I have always been a Kayaba man, the whole concept of one fork for compression and one for rebound damping is just totally flawed for me, and puts undue stress on both forks, not sure if or when i will get around to that video, but if i do is it ok to use some clips and show your example of the inherent problem with that approach? ill credit you of course, Ride Free my friend,

@PatchedBandit

11 күн бұрын

Using clips with credit is totally fine by me 😊

@barebonesmc

11 күн бұрын

@@PatchedBandit cheers mate, and nice work, sometimes it takes an expert eye 🙂 happy trails

miss the Tenere yet?

@PatchedBandit

Ай бұрын

Nah. I love riding the Tuareg 🙂 I will keep reporting... 😄

@more3852

Ай бұрын

are you on mushrooms?

@nemerkha

Ай бұрын

@@more3852 i do like truffle fries now that you mentioned it.

@igioz

19 күн бұрын

Tuareg is definitely a 2.0 version of T7

Good old TTM Factory, always ready to explain and help. Nice to hear that front is now working better and Tuareg starts to feel serious Tenere killer 🫡💪

@PatchedBandit

Ай бұрын

That remains to be seen but yes the bike feels much nicer 😁 I do prefer riding this Tuareg. It is better balanced overall compared to the T7. Fits me like a tailored glove.