CORRECTION: This script was written & animated before the changes in the Labour party, so we incorrectly said Anneliese Dodds was the Shadow Chancellor. She no longer is, being replaced by Rachel Reeves on May 9th

@armadillito

3 жыл бұрын

Pin your own damn comment chaps

@stopmotionpanda4434

3 жыл бұрын

@@armadillito lol

@aidangarner1181

3 жыл бұрын

You also said that Co-op Party members are only allowed to also be members of Labour and not any other party. This is not true! They can also be members of the SDLP in NI.

@thest3alth

3 жыл бұрын

Also Croydon South has a Conservative MP. I think it's either Croydon North or Central which has a co-op MP

@anomolyreport

3 жыл бұрын

Ok, but you need to buy a good quality mic first. Audio is very muffled

Is this why I sometimes see "Labour and Co-operative party" on the ballot? I've always wondered!

@okok72277

3 жыл бұрын

Yes that's exactly it :)

@paulwilson2651

3 жыл бұрын

@@okok72277 Yes so not a distinct party but part or indeed the Labour party!

@molybdomancer195

3 жыл бұрын

Also many labour members are members of both parties

@bamalam5762

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulwilson2651 separate parties with similar ideas who have an electoral pact

@paulwilson2651

3 жыл бұрын

@@bamalam5762 Can't obviously stand on their own mind you having anything to do with the Labour party is getting dodgy.

The logos are so perfect, considering the alliance, like how bees and flowers rely on one another for survival!

@SetSenet

5 күн бұрын

omg you genius

@danguee1

3 күн бұрын

Except the co op logo is not of a normal honey bee, is it? That is some sort of other bee - or it's _almost_ a honey bee drone (which is pretty much useless - apposite!). I'd be interested to know what species of bee it is.

I was going to make a joke about the co-op having a school, funeral service, supermarket and political party but it turns out they sort of do

"What are cooperative MPs?" "They actually help instead of sitting in the back and saying 'I'm not doing that'" - Chris Joel, from the Technical Difficulties

@cameroff

3 жыл бұрын

Finding a Citation Needed reference in KZread comments is like finding a diamond in a rubbish dump

@isaaccisa

3 жыл бұрын

Which episode is this from?

@anttibjorklund1869

3 жыл бұрын

@@isaaccisa The John Stonehouse "Citation Needed" one, IIRC.

@BilboBaggins332

3 жыл бұрын

A C.N. reference in the comments? A surprise to be sure. But a welcome one.

@MattieSheldonTheYoutuber

3 жыл бұрын

Literally was about to comment this 😂

It's interesting that so few on the left of the Labour party are part of the co-op party when they advocate for co-operativism more than any other group in Labour. McDonnell and Corbyn wrote a policy which would allow workers of a company or factory which was going to be outsourced, sold-off, or shut-down to vote on turning the company/factory into a worker co-op with access to low-interest loans to get them started.

@dreamer2260

3 жыл бұрын

Great policy.

@highpath4776

3 жыл бұрын

@@dreamer2260 Possibly as the Co-op movement itself came out more of Liberal principles. And part of the reduction in retail influence of the Co-op compared with Supermarkets (its now basically competing at the Waitrose level rather than the cheap discounters, the Co-op bank ended up with dodgy directors so that basically leaves just the Funeral Business (though wholesale has increased when Nurdin and Peacock ? went bust, so the two wholesale suppliers to independent shops now appear to be Co-op and Tesco. Co-op does have its own farms (as does morrisons !).

@Ellipsis115

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't know about this policy but it sounds amazing, could you pass the source?

@highpath4776

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ellipsis115 Is it not loosely based on that great capitalist successful economy - Germany - the one with the likes of workers boards representatives on the main directors board and so on.

@tajs476

2 жыл бұрын

It's called marcoras law

I think New York has a party system that’s kind of like this, with “secondary” parties.

@jacklewis3803

3 жыл бұрын

Hi J.J. 😀

@arjunamin9399

3 жыл бұрын

JJ strikes again

@evanallen2347

3 жыл бұрын

J.J!!!

@zartoon7534

3 жыл бұрын

Go away

@Hexagonal_Goblin

3 жыл бұрын

@@zartoon7534 Rude

I've always wondered why my MP ran under "Labour and cooperative", but always thought it was just the full name for the Labour party. Thank you for the insight TLDR!

Me before clicking: it's the greens isn't it? Later: Ok, now you have my attention...

@jamesoakley4570

3 жыл бұрын

Same here 😂

There is an error in the graphic around 1:09. Croydon South is a Conservative seat, he meant Croydon North. The constituencies are listed by the MP's surname, as on Wikipedia

@gartut200

3 жыл бұрын

These guys just throw up constituencies graphs all the time and 70% they are wrong

@josephbrennan370

3 жыл бұрын

Finally Croydon has been mentioned online. Even if it is just for a politics video.

@alexpotts6520

3 жыл бұрын

Also, there is no constituency called "Birmingham" (way too big to have just one MP), and Batley and Spen doesn't have an MP at all at the moment, as of a couple of weeks ago Tracey Brabin was elected Mayor of West Yorkshire and had to give up her Westminster seat.

@thedarkwolf2525

3 жыл бұрын

@@josephbrennan370 A fellow Croydonian?

@josephbrennan370

3 жыл бұрын

@@thedarkwolf2525 yes. Although I have never been called a Croydonian before.

When you said "7 in Scotland" my mind went to the Greens

@elliotwatson3754

3 жыл бұрын

Probably them and Labour

@diabl2master

3 жыл бұрын

But it would have been very unreasonable to assume that this channel's audience wouldn't have heard of the Green Party. And not worthy of a video 🤭

@scotandiamapping4549

3 жыл бұрын

@@diabl2master Oh cmon the thought lasted about 12 seconds there wasn't enough time for that to go through my head

I'm from Rochdale, I talk about the Co-Op party literally every day. Rochdale, the home of Cooperation!

@seanshameless0

3 жыл бұрын

Keep up the good work

@Haris1

3 жыл бұрын

From ROCHDALE TOOOOOO

@madmanjoe1002

3 жыл бұрын

I've been many places in the world and all over the uk. Rochdale is one of the scrattiest places I've ever found, along with Birmingham and scunthorpe.

@SKARTLEAD

3 жыл бұрын

@@madmanjoe1002 Hey Rochdale is bad but it's nowhere near as scruffy as Birmingham

@owenthompson5214

3 жыл бұрын

Enjoy radical Islam

The biggest supermarket chain in Finland is also a co-op. Almost half of Finns are members.

@josephbrennan370

3 жыл бұрын

Well Finland is quite left wing so it makes sense.

@felixhaokip

3 жыл бұрын

How does a co-op supermarket works tho? Can someone explain?

@szymonsokolinski9907

3 жыл бұрын

@@felixhaokip It depends on the kind of co-op, but the basic is that it does not concentrate on profit, but on providing cheap services of good quality to customers and paying high wages to their workers

@felixhaokip

3 жыл бұрын

@@szymonsokolinski9907 ohhh that does sound really nice. Definitely getting behind that.

@illegitimateotaku794

3 жыл бұрын

@@szymonsokolinski9907 is there any evidence that co operatives produce cheaper products than their private counterparts and produce less inflation?

Me: can't see the thumbnail Is it the cooperative party? Reads description: Sometimes my genius is almost frightening.

I live in one of those constituencies so noticed their existence a while back, but this is far more than any research I bothered to do on them

It’s a like a secret club nobody knows, but knows from the outside.

When you were describing what the party stood for (before the big reveal) I thought "yrrrr, this sounds like Labour".

@colindelabie9734

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe labour scaled up to 100

@coolio2000

3 жыл бұрын

Not anymore

@romanbukins6527

3 жыл бұрын

The old, pre-Tony Blair Labour, that is. More about the working class, less about the filler...

@jedaye47

3 жыл бұрын

Labour stopped standing for that 20 odd years ago

@coolio2000

3 жыл бұрын

@@jedaye47 I think corbyn and to a certain extent miliband could've matched the description

Great video! I'm a member of the Co-op party, and there were things you explained which I didn't know. Thanks!

@rdevil5330

3 жыл бұрын

I'd support the coop party if I were British

So every time I buy milk from the local shop I'm indirectly funding a party I've never heard of. UK Politics is weird.

@elliotwilliams7421

3 жыл бұрын

Everytime you use fuel your funding big corporations and dodgy MPs.

@humeragondal2135

3 жыл бұрын

yeah with everything we do, the banks/building societies or co-ops we but our money in we are funding domestic and international governments and corporations/business currently there is a campaign for HSBC to stop funding deforestation

@isnitjustkit

3 жыл бұрын

@@elliotwilliams7421 They arent dodgy, they just advocate for something the main labour party doesnt

@Theorimlig

3 жыл бұрын

@@isnitjustkit He wasn't talking about the co-operative party.

@craig8399

3 жыл бұрын

@@elliotwilliams7421 Fuck. I didn't think of that. I can't win, can I?

i was literally about to make a joke about the co-op party owning the supermarket and then i was told they actually do

"Batley and Spen has a Co-Op MP" *laughs in by-election*

@highpath4776

3 жыл бұрын

Might do better if stood as Co-op on own. Would prefer that Co-op signed up with Libs or Greens.

@kets4443

3 жыл бұрын

@@highpath4776 if brabin ran as co op by itself she would've split the leftist vote and lose supporters to labour

@highpath4776

3 жыл бұрын

@@kets4443 Not if Labour stood down (not policy, but I wonder if its time for change following Hartlepool and the red wall?)

@gamriii

3 жыл бұрын

@@highpath4776 I'm a member of the Co-operative Party, honestly the greens seem too left wing for most Co-operative members, and with the Lib Dems, well they appeal to more Co-op members but they are on the more centrist side. With all of that considered, Labour seems to be the best fit.

Quick Correction: Co-op MP can also be from the SDLP, though there hasn’t ever been a SDLP Co-op member

@digitalwilds1866

3 жыл бұрын

Claire Hanna, the SDLP MP for Belfast South, is a Co-operative Party member but does not stand as a joint Co-op candidate

@rebuntile

3 жыл бұрын

@@digitalwilds1866 oh! Thank you for the correction, your right

@samwilkinson2534

3 жыл бұрын

Is the co op party a supporter of Irish unification then if it allows SDLP in the party? Or do they just share similar enough views and republicanism isn't really a concern for them?

@rebuntile

3 жыл бұрын

@@samwilkinson2534 I believe the latter, being co op is about believe co op beliefs, being Labour/SDLP is about their beliefs, they are separated from eachother, but have shared principles

@highpath4776

3 жыл бұрын

@@samwilkinson2534 I dont think the SDLP are particulary pro unification, they are not against it eiether.

Love how you can have a logo for the Monster Raving Loony Party in the video but you still can’t put one for the Scottish Greens

INACCURACY at 6:37 "rules bar them from being members of any other party" Co-op Party members can also be members of the SDLP.

@minui8758

5 күн бұрын

And obviously the Labour Party. I’m in both

Been feeling pretty politically homeless under Starmer's leadership of the Labour Party. Think I just found my new political party

@theblackswordsman9951

3 жыл бұрын

They're a part of Labour. Did you watch the video?

@robertwinslade3104

3 жыл бұрын

@@theblackswordsman9951 yes; they are very closely connected with Labour but the policies this particular Labour sub-party advocate for are more aligned with my politics than what the current central Labour leadership is offering

@MattyRlufc

3 жыл бұрын

So... Supporting Labour without saying you're supporting Labour?

@MattyRlufc

3 жыл бұрын

@Lewis Coyne same could be said of any party - if everyone voted for the Lib Dems they would have more influence. But they don't, primarily because the voting system makes voting for anyone except the two main parties pointless. And as those parties are (1) monoliths representing only a single very narrow slice of possible opinions and (2) are part of an adversarial system where they are fundamentally opposed, change either from within or without is essentially impossible. FPTP is designed for a small electorate l, not universal suffrage.

@hunting4honeys

3 жыл бұрын

Me too!

My jaw dropped when I found about this party. Thanks TLDR for another great video.

@thalesvondasos

3 жыл бұрын

out

I literally had the idea for multiple years that co-operatives should exist, and everything about them, but I never knew they existed, and there was already a party vouching for more of them.

@user-xb9yv2ci4c

3 жыл бұрын

Not all coops are owned by the employees. Many are owned by their customers.

@ipadair7345

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-xb9yv2ci4c So is there a different name for such a establishment?

@user-xb9yv2ci4c

3 жыл бұрын

@@ipadair7345 Worker cooperative

@ipadair7345

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-xb9yv2ci4c Thank You :)

@asillypiggy

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-xb9yv2ci4c A business owned by the community for the community, doesn’t that sound way better than a business owned by a multi-billionaire that hide his money in the British Virgin Island?

Never heard of them before this. But they've got my vote. I might even shop in coop from now on.

A note: The Co-operative Group's members, successfully renewed that agreement and formal partnership, with the announcement being made on the weekend following a recent vote! As The Co-op Party's Co Vice-Chair for my local branch (South Staffordshire, Walsall and Wolverhampton), I feel excited for the party's future and growth; which saw more Co-op candidates at the ballot box on May 6th and a big increase in Labour-Coop victories!

@gothicgolem2947

Жыл бұрын

Do you know when it will be renewed?

@gothicgolem2947

Жыл бұрын

Again?

If the cooperative party broke off from Labour I'm sure they'd do well

@minhyukjang

3 жыл бұрын

I would be so excited to see this happen

@stuartsummers1303

3 жыл бұрын

I doubt it.

@venusianblivet9518

2 жыл бұрын

I think sticking within labour is actually very smart for a small party in first past the post system.

@liamsweeney4754

2 жыл бұрын

With ranked choice voting they'd do alright, but with this system they would be lucky to get a single candidate elected

Thank you for making this video. I was lucky enough to be friends with Chris Herries, former chair of the party. She was a truly inspiring person who devoted her life to making the world better for others in real, measurable ways. She unexpectedly passed away last year. There isn't a day that goes by where I don't think of her and am grateful for having known her.

@dreamer2260

3 жыл бұрын

@Luís Andrade Go and be vile and obnoxious somewhere else (actually, preferably nowhere).

@dreamer2260

3 жыл бұрын

@Luís Andrade I don't like people being disrespectful, dogmatic and selfish.

@curtgavin7845

3 жыл бұрын

@Luís Andrade Shitting on a dead person just makes you an asshole, especially if that person never did anything to you & your doing it on a post made by somone remembering them.

@tyranneous

3 жыл бұрын

@Luís Andrade Regardless of whether being a clown is your job or not, you're clearly a gifted amateur. Casually flipping the term socialism/socialist around as if you know enough about it to actually criticise it is clearly disingenuous, and quite obviously there for one purpose only. By the way, how is that socialist market economy produced device you're trolling through working out for you? :)

@prometheus7387

3 жыл бұрын

@Luís Andrade The statement wasn't made on an ideological basis, they said that the person was a genuinely good person to hang around and legitimately did some impactful work on society. Try to be even 1% as impactful on society. Tough challenge, yeah I know.

Your audio is quiet compared to other channels by some margin

Very informative, thank you

I thought the coop party was a coalition party, but this is still fascinating!

This was really cool and informative. I love how slick the production is.

My local MP (Ealing North) is essentially a Labour MP that just uses the name 'co-OP' with no meaning. All his campaigning in the past was based on Labour policy and I suspect 99% of locals have never heard of the Coop party. However if they choose to stick with Labour, good luck to them as they will need it!!

Britain’s biggest group is currently non-voters - bigger than any single party. Register to vote!

@humeragondal2135

3 жыл бұрын

think there are many registered voters who are not going to the polls; need a non of the above box

@Xentillus

3 жыл бұрын

@@humeragondal2135 It's called spoiling the ballot, where you deliberately make it obvious you're voting for no-one. You can do anything from voting for everyone to an obscene picture on the ballot, but it'll get recorded as spoilt. It's something more people should know about and do, infinitely better than not voting at all.

@gibospartan6185

3 жыл бұрын

@@Xentillus Actually it’s better than that. In the UK you can write ‘Protest vote’ on the ballot and it will be officially counted as a protest vote instead of a spoiled vote.

@Phelena

3 жыл бұрын

Voted for the first time this year! Its really not that hard to fake your identity and to vote as a 5 year old!!! :)))

@pontifexcellence6648

3 жыл бұрын

@@humeragondal2135 This is a very good point - there is a mechanism for this. You can spoil your ballot by writing on it ‘none of the above’, drawing a new box and putting a cross in it. It’s counted along with other spoilt ballots and can show dissatisfaction amongst voters in a particular constituency.

Ah! Sean Kippin was my lecturer at uni - Great guy and glad to see his work is doing well!

Known about them a while back. It really pays to read. Informative video as always!

Considering that I'm a Market Socialist and consider myself pretty tuned in to British politics, I am pretty shocked I hadn't really heard of these guys. Glad that you've just changed that for me

@Bushflare

3 жыл бұрын

Well you're a Market Socialist so being ignorant shouldn't come as a surprise to you by this point. *dab*

@-Malvez-

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bushflare alpha

@robertwinslade3104

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bushflare oh wow, I would feel so burned if you'd made any actual arguments against Market Socialism

@Bushflare

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertwinslade3104 Firstly, you don't burn people by making actual arguments against their beliefs you burn them by attacking their character. Secondly, whilst I'm glad you're the type to respond with something intelligible I gotta say I thought the dab at the end gave enough indication that I'm only commenting to you for the meme value so I don't really know what you're expecting back from me here. Finally, I don't need to argue against something that defeats itself. *dab*

@liberalmatt

3 жыл бұрын

I'm shocked you've never heard of them too. Any election night coverage will mention them as 'Labour & Cooperative'. It's all standard stuff.

I'd heard of them 💅

@ipadair7345

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't, and isn't that what matters. ~By a fellow narcissist.

@TheYopogo

3 жыл бұрын

@@ipadair7345 Ha. Just wanted to show off

@hoi4noob765

3 жыл бұрын

@@ipadair7345 cope

@JackTheSlayer-ok5eq

3 жыл бұрын

@@hoi4noob765 man he literally called himself a narcissist, i don’t think he’s coping

1:05 CORRECTION: Croydon South’s MP is Chris Philp from the Conservative Party. I think you mean Croydon North’s Steve Reed.

I wish co-operativism was more well-known

@koalasquare2145

3 жыл бұрын

@@Michael-mh2tw what was your reason?

@sharktamer

3 жыл бұрын

@@Michael-mh2tw thanks for that reply, it was really informative

@ipadair7345

3 жыл бұрын

@@Michael-mh2tw thanks for the reply, I understand your reasoning. Though I do say that the monopoly aspect is also shown in Private buisnesses, in order for a Co-Op to exist equally, new developments, and models would be needed for making it worthwhile, and most importantly new policies on education,etc in order to remove some of the bad.While I think the good outways the bad, I understand your viewpoint.

@noahlibra

3 жыл бұрын

Co-operativism would basically be a disaster as it would make British equity markets effectively redundant. Much of new capital generation relies on financial investors from banks to ordinary consumers. These people wouldn’t be able to trade equity in a completely co-operative system as there would be none to trade and issue as only workers would hold the shares. So although this would mean workers would receive greater dividends off of the shares giving them higher pay, it would also mean that raising funds for the company (especially for any new, smaller business) would be virtually impossible. This would massively slow down innovation for only a very marginal benefit to workers.

@Michael-mh2tw

3 жыл бұрын

@@sharktamer Well, it wouldn't have been very consistent to say I wanted more criticism, and then not criticize. Glad you got something from it.

Me who has no idea on British politics "I've not heard about remaining 3 bigger ones either before this video"

Mic level could be upped a bit to match intro music level which is higher. :)

Technically Batley and Spen doesn’t have a Cooperative MP because they don’t have an MP, Tracey Brabin resigned when she became Mayor of West Yorkshire after the recent election.

Another great video! I think the real question to ask here, are they really the 4th largest party? If their candidates stood on their own solely under the banner of the Co-Op party, would they retain their seats? Loose those seats or even gain more seats?

This party speaks most to my political values and I didn't even know it existed.... they need to do a bit more advertising!

The thumbnail is misleading as it separates cooperative party mps from labour rather than combining them to reach 198.

Yeah I knew of this party but knew nothing about them. Interesting video.

Really informative video. My mp is in here Steve Reed for Croydon North and I never even knew he was

@josephbrennan370

3 жыл бұрын

I live in Croydon North too and I only remember Steve reed as he came to my school and is still in power lol.

This is actually really interesting, I really like this!

Damn, I can't believe I didn't know about them. They sound pretty cool.

@eugenelubbock5478

3 жыл бұрын

I agree

@dalfkssafetillity5570

3 жыл бұрын

Now they are not . Typical leftists

@eugenelubbock5478

3 жыл бұрын

@@dalfkssafetillity5570 as you can see, as with the co-op, cooperative businesses can be just as successful as their non cooperative counterparts. And give them better working conditions, better hours, better pay, and a democratic say in how the business is run. I think we should turn most businesses cooperative.

@dalfkssafetillity5570

3 жыл бұрын

@@eugenelubbock5478 So... Socialism ?

@eugenelubbock5478

3 жыл бұрын

@@dalfkssafetillity5570 yup

Is TLDR a cooperative or does it seek to concentrate wealth to its owners? Ironically, the video ended with an ad for developing my shares portfolio...

@TLDR news could you do an interview with the head of the cooperative party?

Thank you so much for this guys 😊

Huh thank you so much. 100% I will look into the cooperative party now and vote for their MPs if one ends up standing in my area. In a time when the Labour Party keep kicking their left down, its great to see that it seems like we have our own portion of the party. Also for real, in the US, Bernie should 10000% do something like this with the Democrats; form his own party where you can be a representative of it and the Dems at the same time.

@Nukeguy909

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure Bernie already does this, he's an independent that votes with the democrats and also part of the Vermont Progressive Party

@sashasscribbles

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nukeguy909 Hmm, Independant isn't the same thing since while it does show he's something other than a democrat, it doesn't group him with other lefties. The vermont progressive party seems interesting but that would be vermont only right?

@nomoremrniceguy8106

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, like the proper little weasel turncoats they truly are :)

@TheCinamanic

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nukeguy909 no. That's pretty need. But the underline distinction of policy my each member with 1 vote is the key distinction. Not what they stand for.. but how (the methodology) they stand for whatever.

This is weird, I literally just found out about the cooperative party the other day in my A-Level politics lesson

We all know the real reason many people don't know about some things is that the media systematically refuses to mention those particular things. If the media would regularly state: "oh, this Labour MP has this opinion because they're a member of the Co-op party", then people would know about the Co-op party. But that doesn't happen, so nobody knows. This is not accidental.

Never knew my local supermarket was the 4th biggest political party in the UK

so the cooperative cooperated to get seats? seems legit

Please increase the volume of your videos. Most of the time they are lower than other channels. But this one borderline unhearable without Volume Master.

I already knew this because my MP is one of them! When I saw the thumbnail I guessed it would be about them.

Could you increase the volume of your uploads? I have to max out my speakers on my crappy laptop to be able to hear you speak whereas with other KZread videos I have to actually turn it down or it's too loud... Thank you!

before watching the video let me guess: is it the Co-operative Party?

@JackTheSlayer-ok5eq

3 жыл бұрын

you got it right

@gregoryfenn1462

3 жыл бұрын

I thought they were a subset of Labour?

@wafflesingsong6715

3 жыл бұрын

@@gregoryfenn1462 They’re an independent party that’s in union with Labour, much like in Germany where CSU is in union with CDU

This really confused me when I saw it on the recent elections. I was looking for Labour and I thought "The Co-operative Labour" was some kind of con!

The fact more people didn't know this really says a lot about the state of our democracy.

I have heard of them before. Thank you QI!

co-ops are based

I knew it was Co-operative before the video, but only because I read a bit about them before the elections

@nadrini300

3 жыл бұрын

Same here.

1:07 Damn, I'm actually in one of those!

I have been a member of the Cooperative Party since 1972 and was branch secretary of Islington Borough Coop Party from 1983 until 1989 and still a member down here East Kent. If you want a different take on public ownership, think about joining the Cooperative Party.

Isn’t this just market socialism?

@theblackswordsman9951

3 жыл бұрын

Worker Cooperatives are ideologically most associated with “Market Socialism”. However, when not the dominant economic model, they can certainly be seen in Social Democracies. TLDR Both SocDem and Market Socialist.

Sounds pretty based tbh.

This should’ve been posted on April 1st, many people would then doubted this video.

I knew it would be co-operative! I became a member earlier this year

Interesting.

Guessing this is the co-op party whilst the adverts are still playing

Always wondered what was going on with the co-operatives

I have heard of them and always wondered the difference between them and Labour thanks for this video

This may genuinely be my favourite video you've ever made. :) Only tangentially related I would love to see a video explaining dual power structures in the future. They're a kind of socialist praxis that aims to undo capitalism and hierarchical power structures by building new systems and eventually infrastructure alongside capitalist ones, and recently they've been growing more significant.

@Bushflare

3 жыл бұрын

History tells us that those who fight nature generally fail.

@climbernerd5995

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bushflare Genuinely don't know if this is in support of my statement or not? Nature definitely has both heirarchical and antiheirarchical power structures

@Bushflare

3 жыл бұрын

@@climbernerd5995 The reason anti-herarchical structures very rarely exist in nature is because they are always out-competed by hierarchical ones where they are present because hierarchy is just a natural product of life.

@ipadair7345

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bushflare wait you a totalitarian man, geez. I mean I won't discuss with you, it will just weaken the left. As a person vouching for collaboration in the ranks, I shall refrain myself from creating discourse.

@Bushflare

3 жыл бұрын

@@ipadair7345 If your ideology is so fragile it cannot withstand criticism then it's not a good ideology. Also, totalitarianism is not a good ideology either and I don't know why you got the idea that's what's going on here.

For me, the Co-Op end of the Labour party would be more appealing (I speak as a Classical Liberal, swing voter, who spoiled my last national election ballot). I like that it still focuses on the individual, but how individuals can come together and co-operate. That's admirable, and feels quite centrist, appealing to the benefits of the individual and community. Too many left leaning ideologies, from Communism, Progressivism and Socialism, sacrifice the individual too much at the expense of the collective, for example with "positive discrimination"/quotas that make it difficult for me to support. I've honestly never heard of this party, but I hope they continue to do well and get more attention. Thanks for sharing!

@afgor1088

3 жыл бұрын

I hate to break it to you but if you like coop policies you're not a classical liberal you're a socialist Most of what you hear about socialists is just flat out lies most socialists generally align with the coop party

@diesel92kj1

3 жыл бұрын

Keep spoiling that ballot.

@dreamer2260

3 жыл бұрын

Co-ops are pure socialism. It's giving workers control over the means of production; empowering them. And it's a good idea. Just ignore the propaganda that's biased you against the left.

@tomfoolery2913

3 жыл бұрын

co-ops are socialist...

@afgor1088

3 жыл бұрын

@@tomfoolery2913 ok fine... so? if it works it works call it what you like

Ngl, i've known about co-op supermarkets, but i've never heard of this. Very interesting.

Very interresting. During the first minute I really thought this video is an april fools. I really had no idea they existed.

I have a feeling that the Coop Party, within a few years, could eventually leave Labour... especially with the way that Starmer and co are going!

Co ops based

I've heard of them, they were once a party in New Zealand

Can you do a video on the ycl next?

As a Labour coop member I'm happy with this video x

@matthewo5572

3 жыл бұрын

To confirm from a co-op member then, is the goal to make every business a co-op? If so then why can't you make such a structure be a popular one through free market results? My current impression of the party is state mandated private business structures.

@diesel92kj1

3 жыл бұрын

Don't admit it.

@antonyslack1

3 жыл бұрын

@Matthew O Not EVERY business but to highlight the importance of a cooperative approach to business development and that there are better models in business than a purely capitalistic one.

@timjones2329

3 жыл бұрын

@@matthewo5572 Free market results only reflect profits, not social benefits. Unfortunately, not everything van be valued in monetary terms. In a completely free market (0 regulation), it is the least socially responsible and exploitative companies that do best.

@armelfrancois7009

3 жыл бұрын

@Tim Jones well, it's not so black and white. whilst many private firms do often outperform coops, it's important to note that we're looking at successful private firms. effectively only 40% of private businesses are successful, compared to 80% of cooperatives. furthermore, coops tend to fair better during recessions. this is even more so the case with credit unions (the cooperative versions of banks) doing better than regular banks due to having more automatic stabilisers (in the macroeconomic sense)

They got Ed Balls with this on an episode of QI. At the time they were the third largest party, and Ed listed all the other minor parties before Stephen reminded him that he stood as a Cooperative MP.

The Cooperative party is part of the Labour party. There are no MP's who are just Cooperative MPs, they are all Labour MP's.

Thank you ! When I lived in Britland I used to love getting my dividend. So how do I join?

Sounds fun, where do these kids hangout?

@billylauwda9178

3 жыл бұрын

Well in parliament

@nomoremrniceguy8106

3 жыл бұрын

You can find them outside of voting stations handing out leaflets. You have to be quick though before they get chased away. Either that or they'll be getting kicked out of pubs and then shouted at by the landlord :)

You guys wanna get into co-operatives you should watch Philosophy Tubes video on shitty jobs.

@theblackswordsman9951

3 жыл бұрын

Philisophy Tube has some painfully stupid takes about economics. Watch Unlearning Economics' response video "Breadtube vs Economics". He's an actual Economics PHD so he knows what he's talking about. And im not a Econ101 type btw. He even talks about that in a different video.

@robertwinslade3104

3 жыл бұрын

@@theblackswordsman9951 love Unlearning Economics. On this issue though PT and UE come to roughly similar conclusions (via VERY different arguments); they both advocate for co-operatives

@dafuzzymonster

3 жыл бұрын

@@theblackswordsman9951 I haven't seen that video. I just like the way he broke down how some people make money from working and some people make money from ownership. Its kind of the best arguement the co-operative has.

@jacobvanstone6839

3 жыл бұрын

Mm not a great video, I haven’t seen Philosophy Tubes other work, but that video and the one on housing kind of put me off.

@dafuzzymonster

3 жыл бұрын

@@jacobvanstone6839 are you a landlord?

In America, we call this concept "employee owned," while a "co op" is owned by shareholders, who are the customers. I belong to a farm supply co op and get my electricity from a co op, but I've never worked for either. I did work for an employee owned company for a few years. It is a very different sort of company culture from the corporate jobs I've held in the same industry. People take it personally when they see other workers slacking off.

Please will you turn up your volume?

Everyday is a school day🇬🇧👍🏻

You know your in britain when everything is called a co-op

Co-op party sounds fire

4:05 that's is silly! I mean they might work shoulder to shoulder with labout but giving them their seats?