Brexit voters fleeing Tories after mass migration failure | Matthew Goodwin interview
After winning a significant majority in 2019 the Conservatives look to be heading to a catastrophic defeat in the next election. To discuss the grand realignment in British politics and how the Tories squandered it, Steven Edginton is joined by the academic Matthew Goodwin. Watch the full interview above or listen on your podcast app by searching "Off Script". The two discuss Matthew Goodwin's new book, Values, Voice and Virtue.
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Both Tory and Labour are dancing to an entirely different tune to `majority thinking` in this country.
@mnomadvfx
Жыл бұрын
Yes but the confidence in Lib Dem's evaporated when the last time they had any significant power they promptly handed it to the Tories back in 2010. Because of this there is effectively only a 2 party system in the UK for most people that are not living in Scotland.
@salemalnuaimi602
Жыл бұрын
How do we measure this so called majority/solent majority????? Unless of course elections don't count 🙄
@powerboon2k
Жыл бұрын
The tories have just destroyed everything through austerity and then caused brexit.
@MrXaphus
Жыл бұрын
They may well be, but until the public is pissed off enough to take a gamble on fringe parties (e.g. the SDP, Reform, Greens etc) instead of the LibLabCon triumvirate absolutely nothing will change. People really do need to be a bit braver with their voting choices in this country and risk a term of "the other side" getting in to make some headway.
@johnwade1095
Жыл бұрын
Yougov is manufactured consent
Never underrate the ability of the British Conservative Party to throw away its opportunities and let down those who should be their natural supporters.
@normanchristie4524
Жыл бұрын
And who may they be?
@lookatmyroflcopter
Жыл бұрын
the only "natural supporters" are sociopaths and the super rich.
@anonUK
Жыл бұрын
Same goes for the Labour Party, to be fair.
@simonclare100
Жыл бұрын
I see no parties with any honesty or common sense, the incompetency is enormous, nobody to vote for
@happinesstan
Жыл бұрын
@@simonclare100 Exactly. Starmer's recent attempts to avoid questions about Sue Gray, was Michael Gove level squirming
Everyone should flee the Tories
@ajs41
Жыл бұрын
Problem is Labour would be even worse on immigration than the Tories.
@manuelromero8007
Жыл бұрын
@@ajs41 UK out of Europe
@malcolmcoram2857
Жыл бұрын
Actually no! The Labour party winning the next election would be an unmitigated disaster for the country: there are divisions enough already in the country without those which will be introduced and hugely intensified by the wholesale and unthinking adoption of identity politics as a route to progress.
@joycegibbs5267
Жыл бұрын
because they ain't Tories !!
@ozzie2612
Жыл бұрын
@@ajs41 well they never were
IMHO, neither the Tories nor Labour reflect the views and values of a great many people now. Those parties reflect the narrow Westminster-north London politicos only
@andreeas.2362
Жыл бұрын
Well, do another party
@joycegibbs5267
Жыл бұрын
they represent left wing extremists. I'm really frightened of what's going on. Decent people are in peril.
@richardbannister-jz8so
Жыл бұрын
What about South of the River
Interesting point that Goodwin makes: that the EU was in one respect more democratic than the UK in that it’s proportional representation voting system gave Nigel Farage and others a voice denied to them at Westminster by the first pas the post system.
@James_36
Жыл бұрын
Proportional representation will just mean a constant left wing coalition. It staggers and baffles me that people can’t see that
@anydroid
Жыл бұрын
@@James_36 PR does a far better job of translating the preferences of voters into seats (hence “proportional”). By contrast, FPTP can grant a governing majority to the largest minority. The Tories presently govern with an 80 seat majority obtained from 44% of votes cast. Meaning… more people voted against them than for them. If your reason for opposing PR is that could lead to non Tory governments, that doesn’t sound awfully democratic.
@thomasalexand
Жыл бұрын
We need proportional representation as never before. Too many voters feel disenfranchised.
@somethingintheair5373
Жыл бұрын
@@James_36 How exactly does PR mean a constant left wing coalition? What’s your evidence? What it would mean is that people who voted for Brexit (a real Brexit), people who believe in controlled immigration, small state, low taxes and the conservation of our culture and heritage, would have a voice. They are in fact the majority, and I don’t think by any stretch of the imagination they could be called left wing!
@James_36
Жыл бұрын
@@somethingintheair5373 They are not the majority, 60% of the voters voted for left wing parties, look at Canada for evidence etc... go look at any PR system currently in place. PR is not an answer it is a way to lock out Right Wing ideas for good
Certainly my own MP, Damian Green reflects what has been discussed here. In the way he dealt with my own issues with the County Court system and his performance nationally he has been a dismal failure. The last nail was his failure to be in attendance during Andrew Bridgen's presentation in the House the other day; I found it sinister at the way in which everyone left before he gave his highly important speech! Green will not be getting my vote!
@mrsthatcher9815
Жыл бұрын
they are all on pharma payroll according to bridgen
@stephenpotts832
Жыл бұрын
We have all seen this. Clearly the issue with attending Andrew Bridgen’s speech on Covid was the Vaccine issue. He spoke on economic issues on the 20th March with good attendance. We have never seen anything like this, MP’s from all parties walking out??? Clearly coordinated and agreed upfront. If they disagreed with Andrew Bridgen’s interpretation of the government data then they should have done that, that is what we pay them for. For me there is no clearer demonstration that our political system has failed, our democracy is an illusion, I can’t vote for any of them or even bother listening to any of them. We are living in strange times.
@noeyes6151
Жыл бұрын
We live in a third world country now, get used to it
@jacquelinekingdom2040
Жыл бұрын
They are lazy and disgraceful tbh
@normanchristie4524
Жыл бұрын
Where, where(?) are my rubber gloves! The adoration by Theresa May was a bit sickening.....
In recent years I've travelled up and down the country and have spoken to many working-class people and I believe this is a massive underestimation of public feeling.
@normanchristie4524
Жыл бұрын
What is your classification of 'working class'?
@manuelromero8007
Жыл бұрын
@@normanchristie4524 UK out of Europe
@robmc3338
Жыл бұрын
@@manuelromero8007 Brexit caused this increase in migration from the rest of the world. The Tories knew this and lied to the voters. The unfortunate thing is wage rates in Poland have been increasing dramatically so the ultra rich wanted an even cheaper source of labour, Brexit has delivered that 🙁
@aristocraticrebel
Жыл бұрын
@@robmc3338 Brexit didn't cause it? The UK government caused it.
@manuelromero8007
Жыл бұрын
@@aristocraticrebel David Cameron
Respect to Mr Goodwin for distinguishing himself from his colleagues by actually showing interest in why things are happening, rather than obfuscating. The Tories will not reorient themselves towards the voters he details in his book though - they love nothing more than money & finance, even power itself.
@jascu4251
Жыл бұрын
True, but do they need to? The UK isn't like the US where either the Republicans or Democrats can win, and its been roughly 50-50 over the last 80 years. In the UK the Conservatives win the vast majority of the time. We can all have different reasonings as to why that is but at the end of the day their strategists will turn around and say "the polls dont matter, when it comes to election day, there is one thing the public can be relied on to do, and that is to vote Conservative, why should we change anything?", and to some degree they would be correct
@stevenhoward3358
Жыл бұрын
He's certainly an outlier amongst his peers, but that is not a good thing, he's obsessed with woke but fails to define it beyond some nebulous concept
@jascu4251
Жыл бұрын
@@stevenhoward3358 I think thats mostly why this is staying in the cultural realm rather than manifesting too much into any kind of policy proposals. I think the other thing here is that woke has become shorthand for "people I don't like", which is also somewhat nebulous. Its difficult to see any of this going away any time soon, but its also difficult to see it go much beyond this impasse with pro and anti voices, but the arguments going over the heads of the majority of the public Its absolutely fantastic for column inches, KZread clicks, and newspaper articles though, both pro and anti - because while people in both camps are somewhat niche and fewer in number than might appear, they have a voracious appetite for this type of content
@CCDR07
Жыл бұрын
@@stevenhoward3358 And that's a key strategy for anyone deliberately trying to manipulate people, and obscure where and how wealth/power accumulates and is used to dominate modern "democracy" at the expense of the majority of people. The dysfunctions in society that actually affect people's lives (e.g., equitable access to healthcare, justice/the courts, education, healthy food and enviroments, etc) are largely class based and have nothing to do with the identity politic BS that this guy trades in.
It's sickening that £billions will be spent on foreign nationals living for free in hotels and having houses built for them, while many British people have crap jobs for low pay. It's infuriating!!!!!!!
@chelloandra
Жыл бұрын
one is not the cause of the other …… it started with lack of housing since Thatcher oh and what - yup a TORY - England never learns !!!!!!!
@papamurrth1
Жыл бұрын
It isn't Billions
@secretarchitect288
Жыл бұрын
Pappamurrth - Migration Watch suggest a cost of £35k per illegal immigrant is the annual cost. What's your figure?
@Dionysos640
Жыл бұрын
@@secretarchitect288 There are hardly any 'illegal' immigrants, there are many refugees who under international law cannot be described as illegal. Additionally if our governement processed them and either accepted or rejected them, as this country used to, the cost would be massively reduced. This is an entirtely manufactured, fake crisis designed to appeal to racists, biggots and anyone who is easily frightened by bullshit. It's all that this excuse for a governemnt have left, the only cards they can play. It's pathetic but more importantly it's tragic
@MoniiChanTheUnicorn
Жыл бұрын
We 100% should help people in their home countries by providing education and family planning since their own corrupt governments are too useless to do so for their own populations but in UK the people of the UK should come first!
As a very regular conservative voter, i have had no faith in this or the last 4 conservative governments immigration policy. Basically, they have no policy. The fact they cannot just ship Albanian illegal immigrants back to Albania beggars belief. Albania is not at war, it is a poor country, but is neither Syria or Afghanistan. To be putting up young men in hotels is a total waste of money. Money that coild be spent on providing nursery school places free of charge and childcare. The list could go on regarding what to spend on. The conservative party does not reflect the vast majority of the population, but then neither does the Labour or Liberal party.
@kevincoshner310
Жыл бұрын
Oh, they have a policy! It is simply that they dare not make it public.
@Pierrick2009
Жыл бұрын
It is definitely a waste of money to be putting them up in hotels. Given that the economy is dramatically short of fit and motivated workers they should be issued with an NI number and put to work!
@layaboutlout
Жыл бұрын
The largest expenditure by far is Tories giving each other backhanders at every single opportunity. Scandalous.
@GreenZerg
Жыл бұрын
Well we were able to whilst in the EU. Sadly those agreements have not been replicated.
@old_toucs6283
Жыл бұрын
It lasts until we stop voting for it. There is no god given right for any party to stay in power.
Boris Johnson was a brilliant campaigner, but completely hopeless at governing.
@jim-es8qk
Жыл бұрын
I agree. But he was arguably what was needed at that specific point in time. Boris won a majority, broke 3 years of Brexit deadlock, set up AUKUS, started negotiations with India and the trans pacific partnership. He also lead the charge against Russia. Sunak hasn't won anything, he inherited a safe Tory seat and a Boris Johnson 80 seat majority. It is not a surprise they are so far behind in the polls.
Increasingly people are asking themselves: Where was I some 13 years ago, when the Tories got into government, and where am I now? I know that I am acutely aware that my life, and the lives of the people around me, have gotten significantly worse and worse over the curse of the last 13 years of having the Tories in charge of the country, and no amount of trying to blame foreigners, migrants, refugees, and minorities is going to cut it.
@kalebdaark100
Жыл бұрын
I can't decide if the use of the word "curse" is a typo or deliberate, as it works either way. But that about sums it up for me. Sadly people do like to kick down instead of punching up.
@euroman3726
Жыл бұрын
They are responsible for the biggest mess in my lifetime and I’m 66.
@adagio333
Жыл бұрын
'Gotten' is American; 'got' is British. The greater the use of Americanisms, the greater erosion of British English.
@thomasalexand
Жыл бұрын
The fundamental problem is that they are posing as conservatives. They are in fact U.N. and World Economic Forum stooges as is our soon-to-be king Charles.
@simonclare100
Жыл бұрын
I agree, immigration is not yet the problem but will be if uncontrolled, racism has nothing to do with it, the liberal progressive revolution is at the heart of the problems across the west, it's a distorted view of people and institutions, if it achieves its ambitions it will destroy much more than it will fix, the educated classes will have to face the fact their views aren't as superior as they believe, reality will hit us all hard again, history shows much of the 'educated ' have been at the heart of stupid ideas for generations
I have family in Wales who immigrated legally from Norway a century ago. And even after just 25 years of Blairism, they don’t recognize their country anymore. They are not ethnically British or ethnically Welsh, but they bleed the union jack and are fierce UK nationalists who feel as though they have been silenced - especially by their own Conservative party. And they’re right.
Politicians of whatever party are following the instructions from the WHO , the WEF and the UN while the British people are ignored.
@byrnemeister2008
Жыл бұрын
Nonsense. It’s just the Rich getting Richer. Same old game. No need for some vast conspiracy.
@zoltan-zq3xe
Жыл бұрын
Agree totally they have abandoned there brethren.
@zoltan-zq3xe
Жыл бұрын
@@byrnemeister2008Were importing more poor not looking after our own it's morally wrong.
they are begging for the over 50's to go back to work.. because younger people have a brain and wont work for a pittance for greedy corporates.. who give no benefits to the workforce. (btw im 56) got f all after 40 years of work..
Impressive interview. Absolutely nailed the state of British politics in a sensible, evidence based manner.
@manuelromeroarcos1639
Жыл бұрын
El reino unido o united kingdon jamás debe volver a la UE o EU
@manuelromero8007
Жыл бұрын
UK out
@Geo65582
Жыл бұрын
@@manuelromero8007 why?
@manuelromeroarcos1639
Жыл бұрын
@@Geo65582 because? Very simple because of what hapoened on june 23 2016
@manuelromeroarcos1639
Жыл бұрын
Happened sorry
Mathew Goodwin is spot on..I look forward to reading his book. Great interview, and refreshing to hear genuine views and analysis that is realistic rather than out of touch and virtue signaling
In 2024 GE the `tough on immigration clothing` will suddenly emerge from the Tory wardrobe and be dusted down. As soon as the election is over the clothing will return to the darkest recesses of the wardrobe.
@deepblue8081
Жыл бұрын
Yes, except it won't work this time.
@Skyrose1978
Жыл бұрын
@@deepblue8081 I don't know about that never underestimate the stupidity of a staunch Tory voter.
@nat75kemp
Жыл бұрын
Rees Moog and his haunted wardrobe springs to mind ugh....
Less 'slowing change' more 'repairing damage'
@phoenixreborn6065
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. We don't want slower change and decline. We want to repair and reverse the decline and move into a better future.
@oldishandwoke-ish1181
Жыл бұрын
Most of it done by Tory austerity.
@johnwade1095
Жыл бұрын
@Oldish andWoke-ish I was thinking more getting rid of the 'supreme court' and appointed House of Lords. And taxes on pensions. And decriminalize not having a tv license
Conservative means to conserve. That applies to society , nature , education , welfare , health etc etc etc. It's now fallen further than ever since year 2003.
@MoniiChanTheUnicorn
Жыл бұрын
Conservatives have never conserved. They have always sold, they sell anything we have. Sold public transport, sold green spaces for development, trying to sell public healthcare, they are and always have been profits before people rather than people before profit.
Well I still think that the Brits, Aussies, Canadians, and New Zealanders should sit down and have a very good chat!
@timhill9189
Жыл бұрын
It's not 1950. Those countries have long since moved on and are very different demographically as well.
@patrickmccutcheon9361
Жыл бұрын
About what? How to beat France, Ireland and SA at rugby? Or who is our Donald Trump? At one point Boris Johnson looked the part and even got nicknamed ‘Britain Trump’ but then lost his way.
@robertmiller2173
Жыл бұрын
@@timhill9189 and thanks be to G Tim!
I'm not voting for a Lab/Con WEF Net Zero nightmare.
@antiwoke6888
Жыл бұрын
Reform is the only hope.... They may not have the answers BUT at least they know the real problems
@xwsftassell
Жыл бұрын
@@antiwoke6888 Maybe.
Yes! This man absolutely nails it . Very refreshing to listen to him speak . Thanyou very much .
@jumblestiltskin1365
Жыл бұрын
I'm no expert and this is second hand info, but to put it politely, I read recently he didn't always think this way and was rather more the other way.
@Purple_flower09
Жыл бұрын
He reflects your own hard right views?
@manuelromeroarcos1639
Жыл бұрын
@@Purple_flower09 uk jamás debe volver a Europa
@manuelromeroarcos1639
Жыл бұрын
@@jumblestiltskin1365 uk out of the Europe
@csharpe5787
Жыл бұрын
@@Purple_flower09 There's no good that ever comes from hard right. Just look at their contribution. Look at Truss, Trump and the state of america.
I voted Brexit and of course now I regret being taken in by all the lies.
@flitsertheo
Жыл бұрын
@@evolassunglasses4673 Moving power from the EU superstate to Westminster is not exactly a bright idea. From 27 governments who keep each other more or less in check to 1 government doing whatever it wants.
@timhill9189
Жыл бұрын
@@flitsertheo There is no superstate. The EU is run by its members.
Mass migration isn't just a British problem.
@pollyparrot8759
Жыл бұрын
No but Britain can't do anything about other countries, only about Britain and the Governement are failing miserably on that front.
@pollyparrot8759
Жыл бұрын
@@evolassunglasses4673 And socialism will never close borders to immigration as it doesn't believe in nation states .... they are all as bad as each other in different ways.
@Purple_flower09
Жыл бұрын
Europe is finished without migration. Just look at Japan.
@jazztheglass6139
Жыл бұрын
@@evolassunglasses4673 it's also fueled higher housing costs, reduced availability, forced people to move much further out to get affordable housing, increasing travel time and costs to get to work, living areas in residences reduced in size. In addition it has also stopped wages raising with inflation. Due to over supply of labour A double whammy
@jim-es8qk
Жыл бұрын
@@evolassunglasses4673Exactly!!
No he was right. It's not a feeling of confusion it is a feeling of betrayal!
I don't want lower migration, I don't even want zero migration - I want negative migration!
@raph_csg
Жыл бұрын
Leave then
@stumccabe
Жыл бұрын
@@raph_csg Why should I leave the country of my ancestors - they've been here for at least 1500 years?
@Aaron-zh7qm
Жыл бұрын
@@stumccabe doubt they’ve been here that long pal
@stumccabe
Жыл бұрын
@@Aaron-zh7qm I'm not your pal. The scientific evidence shows that the present day English people are a mixture of the indigenous people who migrated here 3000 to 4500 years ago, and the "Anglo Saxons" who arrived about 1500 years ago. People with that ancestry make up the vast majority of English people. So I didn't just pluck the figure 1500 out of the air.
@godfriedmontana2705
Жыл бұрын
@@Aaron-zh7qm Stu McCabe is basically correct except that the wave who came here around 4000 years ago were not indigenous in the sense that they were the first people to get here after the last ice age. Those people arrived around 12000 years ago. DNA evidence suggests that there was a certain amount of ethnic cleansing along the way with the wave which arrived around 4000 years ago replacing the people who built Stonehenge. But don't expect to hear that from the BBC. It doesn't fit the woke narrative.
I live in the red wall, I hope Labour thinking silence on the subject will spare them will realise they are wrong, voters realise Tories and Labour are the same, we are flocking to Reform.
The tories know that the public want immigration to be cut and controlled and at election time they campaign on this issue and once elected they carry on as usual, importing more immigrants, legal or illegal.
@elipa3
Жыл бұрын
What? Dont they always say, they now have found a solution?
@robgusterson2821
Жыл бұрын
@@elipa3 The numbers don't lie just the politicians. Just add twenty five percent.
@pipins3616
Жыл бұрын
Spot on
Goodwin 1 - 0 Cummings
@elkpaz560
Жыл бұрын
The importance given to Cummings has been the result of the progressives needing a villain to blame for Brexit. Dominic Cumberbatch was to blame.
Matthew Goodwin spot on as usual. 💯👍🏻
Lack of affordable housing, inadequate wages, continual movement of wealth from poor to rich. Face the real issues!
There are two main elements in today's Conservative Party. Firstly people who are essentially Lib Dems, who might have been known as 'Wets' a few decades ago. Secondly, 'Libertarian' types who are mainly interested in deregulation, tax cuts and idiotic fantasies about turning the UK into Singapore. Neither of these factions are fit for purpose, and neither have any respect for traditional social conservative values. If we still had a proper Conservative Party (or even a proper Labour Party for that matter), things might not look quite as bleak as they do at present.
@godfriedmontana2705
Жыл бұрын
As someone from a working class background who made a modest career with a large multinational and concluded that some sort of comprise between socialism and capitalism represents our best chance of living in peace and prosperity I entirely agree. Unfortunately we'll never get that until we get proportional representation which may be never.
@patrickmccutcheon9361
Жыл бұрын
It is just as bad for conservatives elsewhere in Europe. Look what happened to Sarkozy’s party in France, Merkel’s in Germany and Rajoy’s in Spain.
Tories have been in power for the majority of the last few decades. Not impressed. Integrity pppfff. I am always amazed. The Tories are a party made for the rich, which most of us are not. No wonder we continually get shafted.
@jim-es8qk
Жыл бұрын
No it hasn't, labour were in power between 1997 and 2010. Labour are in control of all the regional assemblies in England and the SNP are in control in Scotland.
@clarkeorchard2304
Жыл бұрын
@@jim-es8qk thanks. That's my point. The majority of the last few decades.
@joycegibbs5267
Жыл бұрын
these Tories just followed Blairism. It's worked up to now but it's finally killed us.
What we need is more lots more imigration, illegal and legal so we actually sink. One thing is for sure imigration has definitely made housing for us an impossible dream.
I feel the country has changed its social identity
@manuelromero8007
Жыл бұрын
UK out of Europe
The only really difference between both main political parties is the parties colour's,most people I talk to wouldn't vote for either.
@endintiers
Жыл бұрын
Yeah! Lib Dems 4 EVA!
I think it is worth remembering that a good leader and politician doesn't just pander to people's prejudices, they actively seek to lead for the good of the Country even when it might cost them popularity or votes. Both May and Johnson, who I am not fans of, both tried to deal with the issues of social care, and sadly were crucified by the Telegraph for doing so, who didnt come up with solutions of their own. Furthermore ss a northern voter I get a bit tired of the phrase red wall, which conjurs up an image that we are all poorly educated reactionary refugee haters obsessed with Brexit and are somehow distinct from the rest of the Country.
@noeyes6151
Жыл бұрын
I think the red wall means it was labour land before the con conned👍 As a southerner born I don't think northerners are any of those things, just better with the cold than us most likely😃👍
@normanchristie4524
Жыл бұрын
Neither of them gave a toss for the wellbeing for the UK. As far as I am concerned, 'the red wall' made its democratic decision and must live with it. We are all suffering the Tories and brexit as a result!
Note that Matthew is Professor of Politics in the School of Politics and International Relations at the University of Kent. As of September 2022 he is a commissioner of the Social Mobility Commission. I think he's done a great job in somehow bringing up the politically sensitive issues that fundamentally matter to many like British identity, culture etc and the effect of immigration via globalization upon this.
Impressive interview, as one of the working class I utterly agree with the majority of that analysis, apathy, and utter disgust in the way both sides of the house have behaved. Neither of those parties gives me any confidence that my views are appreciated or will help me or my family in the future. Media institutions such as the BBC have become so one-sided that me and quite a few of the people I know have moved to the internet to get a more grounded and balanced overview. As for voting in the next election, why bother? it will just be more of the same, as far as I am concerned. Farage had quite a large number of people voted for him last time, and it amounted to nothing due to the winner takes all politics, ie, first past the post.
Fleeing to Liebour. Like that will make any difference.
Excellent interview. I'll definitely be vote Reform UK.
Migration can be selective. It does not imply racism . Quality of immigration is immigration, provess of integration and monitoring immigrant behaviour is important to decide howw we might allow selective migration.
By and large, what Mathew says is pertinent and free of doctrine. This is why it isn't just conservatives who are listening. Some people on the left are listening too.
This interview is a breath of fresh air. Godwin's analysis of the Tory Party's failures is spot on. The UK conservative elites have spectacularly lost the culture war.
It's not just emigration, it's dire poverty. The Tories forgot a vital part 'bread and games'. They forgot the 'bread'. Working people are hungry and cold and increasingly homeless!
Always enjoy Steven as an interviewer,please keep him on,always asks sensible questions,getting tired of mainstream media and times radio ect asking the same old stale questions.
Matthew Goodwin has hit the spot head on as far as I am concerned. He has named all the things that I have thought for the past 30 odd years. I will definitely buy his book.
@CCDR07
Жыл бұрын
No, he is spouting a load of identity politics nonsense and distraction from the very real disparities between classes regarding access to healthcare, justice/the courts, education, healthy food and environment, etc! The vast majority of MPs making up the government of the last 13 years have been Oxford "elite" graduates, including Brexiteers latterly, who all seek every opportunity to be "anit-woke" and pander to identity politic BS. Class and race disparities are very real, but inflating them into political issues that dominate politial discourse pure and simply removes focus from all the undemocratic influence of entrenched wealth/power on our governance institutions, and divides people along illusionary identity politic lines that have no material basis on their well-being.
Finally found someone who understands exactly how I feel nice one Matthew 👍
CAN WE HAVE OUR LIFES BACK PLEASE CLOSE OUR BORDERS NOW
Quite an astute gauge of the current British political landscape and the recent geology, so to speak, that shaped it. In short he made clear that the Tories are making themselves up to play Russian roulette with a Stengun of their own choice, which is to say entered into a fray that they can never hope to win and that is getting exponentially worse by whatever they are undertaking in their feeble attempts of mitigation. Not being British myself, means that I may have my own sympathies, but have no real dog in this fight, but leads me to conclude that by choosing a basically pro-Brexit stance and pushing that through and currently in political power, the Tory party has essentially hand-fed the rounds into the ammunition clip, which they then also, by their own volition and with clear intent entered into the mentioned Russian Roulette with, with themselves as the first contestant.
Oh goodness, if only we could elect this guy straight in to being PM!
"A sense of confusion in Leave voters" - but that's always been the case 🤣
@vicjones3992
8 ай бұрын
Coz the EU is so honest and trustworthy 😂
@fricozoid1
8 ай бұрын
@@vicjones3992 🤣🤣🤣 nobody is talking about that but thanks for proving my point about Leave voters being continuously confused 🤣🤣🤣
Revolution, rebellion and insurrection build slowly. Just about all the building blocks are in place in Britain PLC.
Matt Goodwin gets it. But i fear many listening do not. In a FPTP system Reform are not going to replace the Conservative Party. They will merely split it and keep a right of centre government out of office for decades. Much better for Reform minded individuals to take over the conservative party - there is after all a sizable chunk of the membership who are already supportive. De-select wet Tory MPs (Damien Green has just been deselected) and select genuinely conservative candidates. That will change the Parliamentary party.
@normanchristie4524
Жыл бұрын
Oh Goody!
@russellwhite1581
Жыл бұрын
The problem with this strategy is that many will not stomach joining the Tories and effectively having to defend their inaction on so many issues to those they wish to recruit. A better way would be to go for those Red Wall 2.0 places that Matthew mentioned (Sunderland, Barnsley, Mexbrough, Skelmersdale etc) that aren't woke but detest the Tories. The party that can do that will stop Labour from winning a majority while also building the roots of the said "left on economics/right on social" policy party to replace one of the main parties.....
@pincermovement72
Жыл бұрын
Tried it before never makes a difference
@bryangeake5826
Жыл бұрын
I think that will simply reinforce the existing binary structure. PR will shake up the Left and the Right and give the Centre a chance to express what a majority of voters actually want!
@linyarin
Жыл бұрын
Damien Green has not been deselected: his constituency no longer exists and he was unsuccessful in the first constituency he applied for.
Only issue number two? We're doomed.
My first thought with reference to the EU migrant workers was that all that will happen is they will simply get cheap labour from somewhere else and I was correct. Neither party cares too much about the indigenous population of this country and they never have .
If the people vote Labour at the next general election,they will deserve what will happen.
@seriousoldman8997
10 ай бұрын
And what will that be?
Theyre all the same team, puppets for somewhere else.
I'd say he's summed it up pretty well. God help us all.
I agree generally with interview. I will also add that I want a halt to this Americanism of politics, where who controls the media matters. I would like policies that start from the bottom and not the top.
@timseytiger9280
Жыл бұрын
Supporting the telegraph isn't a good start then is it?
@clarkeorchard2304
Жыл бұрын
@@timseytiger9280 nope, but I use it mainly for Ukraine war updates
@davidcooke8059
Жыл бұрын
@@clarkeorchard2304 - I would think it’s one of the least reliable sources for the Ukraine War
Brexit voters fleeing Tories after mass migration failure - I loved this grammar.
Fantastic interview as always Steven. The content of this interview is of the highest order. Mathew Goodwin presents real facts, the way they are, always backed up by academic research and not bogged down by political dogma or neurotic political leaning... The people in power should listen to this. Also, I wish your interviews had a separate notification from the mass of Telegraph ones, easy to miss unfortunately.
Can we please have Matthew Goodwin in politics!
Matthew Goodwin is excellent.
@manuelromero8007
Жыл бұрын
UK out of Europe
@Geo65582
Жыл бұрын
@@manuelromero8007 why??
@manuelromeroarcos1639
Жыл бұрын
@@Geo65582 june 23 2016
Brexit never arrived . Peoples vote was 'done in' . Time for the 3 main parties to be confined to history?
One of the few voices of the people. Brilliant interview with someone who had huge knowledge and articulacy, but more importantly brings evidence to the debate and thinks in an independent and critical way. So rare these days. One thing: I'm not sure the government under 'f..k bizness' BJ, who brought in under lockdown policies, the most damaging restrictions ever (especially on small businesses) was actually very much bothered about the interests of business.
@TheDccottrell
Жыл бұрын
the voices of YOUR sort of people, that does not make him a "voice of the people" who vote mainly for left of centre parts and are socially liberal.
@elipa3
Жыл бұрын
Lol. He is just doing slogans.
This is the man we OUGHT to have as PM, rather than only a political commentator. Everything he says is spot on.
Lineker was factually correct. If only a small portion of the electorate empathise with him, that is scary.
@vatsmith8759
Жыл бұрын
Rubbish, Germany didn't have an immigration problem in the thirties.
I like most scholars Great talk
Totally agree . I think we should look to what the Danish are doing. They've been challenged by the ECHR but they are committed to having a lower level of immigration. Alongside a programme to integrate. Which is really radical. Why is the view point of only 16% of the population more important than the majority. He is right about universities that's where the change has to start
The current Government is very good at one thing - Complete Failure. We desperately need REFORM and the sooner the better.
Tories just follow the American lead, whatever that is.
I can't understand why anyone has trust in either of the two big parties, and why people constantly swing between them thinking they will change anything drastically. I also do not understand why Brexit is being solely blamed for the current economic climate, and not the economic damages from Covid and now the Russo-Ukr war.
So glad I am a part of the graduate metropolitan elite. I am from the North and I know it's grim up there just like Matt says. I think everyone knew that when UK voted to exit the EU that the end was nigh. A worse decision cannot be imagined. British citizens voted for all the nonsense that followed.
We are happy about our multi party parliaments in Scandinavia. Everyone can vote for a certain fraction within the blocks or in the middle and the parties eventually building a government has to negotiate all the time. Voters are engaged in politics as it becomes a more representative democracy with around 85% going to the polls. I find it quite problematic i.e. to watch how a smaller fraction in the US can intimidate and dominate the whole Republican party.
@paulhevan322
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately all the English parliament is focusing on is money. Nothing else. More tax for less, it's been this way for many years.
@Purple_flower09
Жыл бұрын
Be aware this is a hard right channel for racists
@ajs41
Жыл бұрын
What about the UK?
@normanchristie4524
Жыл бұрын
@@paulhevan322 The fundamental problem is that it is not an English parliament, its MPs are supposed to reflect the interests of the UK.
@paulhevan322
Жыл бұрын
@@ajs41 devolved parliament in all parts of the "UK" except England. Except for England all other corners of the "UK" have powers that do not have to pass in the "English" parliament.
Cameron was bad enough but Johnson is primarily the cause of the escalation into a bankrupt nation, both social and economic. The desire to pander to small but loud minorities has been a disaster.
Yes there is a sense of betrayal.
Matt really knows his stuff. He also knows that 'legend in his own lunchtime', Dominic Cummings is another one of these over-rated blowhards that hover over the carcass of British politics. Matthew's observation on the inability of Conservatives to see the world around them and how its changing blinds them to an avenue of potential salvation at the next GE. Their obsession with issues around wealth and position will be their undoing. I'm also not sure about Tice's ability to rally the troops, he just seems to be a guy out of his depth and with no killer instinct.
@elkpaz560
Жыл бұрын
They're all out of their depth which is why they follow the crowd - their crowd not ours.
@joycegibbs5267
Жыл бұрын
I agree regarding Tice. He's weak.
@mesolithicman164
Жыл бұрын
@@joycegibbs5267 Ben Habib is a man who seems driven to achieve. Richard looks like a guy who wears deck shows and a blazer at the weekend.
It's only a crisis for those who care about living standards, environment and public services.The writing on the wall.
Why new parties cannot emerge? Even as conservatives (real conservative party or the like) new parties should emerge and offer an alternative. Is political party law so restrictive? I ask just as curiosity. I am not British, but this might happen in my country too.
@germansnowman
Жыл бұрын
It’s the First Past the Post system. It is biased against small parties. The UK needs Proportional Representation.
I am a 2019 Tory voter who won't be voting for them ever again.
A great many of the problems discussed here arose directly from past government policies, both labour and conservative. Politics must be about improving the life of the population. A political class of individuals populate Parliament who are ill equipped by experience, or cognitive ability, to make the complex decisions required in a modern data and science driven world.
Excellent discussion.
Matt is such a good speaker. And the content is always interesting too!
@manuelromero8007
Жыл бұрын
UK 🇬🇧 out of Europe
We want no small boats not fewer
Politicians are not fit to run this Country (current crop and establishment Party's).
This is a conversation to be had after the Tories have been unceremoniously thrown out after the next election. The country is in a parlous state, and Tories have been here for 13 years, I wonder if there is a connection ? hmmm, let me think 🤔
Always supposing the vote is going to reflect electorate choice. Attention should be paid to the method of counting votes and the complete 'liberalisation' of mail votes.
At last someone talking sense 👍 absolutely hit the nail on the head especially regards immigration.
Trouble is in the 2019 election the Tories counted it as a vote of approval for Brexit whereas it was an anti Corbyn vote. Brexit was always going to be a disaster.
Oh my goodness.... this country is not the country I was once proud of. And the rot started wih Thatcher,,,closing down industry, breaking up the sense of community and in her last hurrah of the fabricated Falklands war showing how powerless we have since become on the world stage. Leaving the EU where we were respected as an important and influential member was the final strawa and further illustrated how we are now no more than a Little England doomed to play the eternal role of victim as a justification of our demise RIP. .
Correct..
Labour, Tory and Media firms have their own focus-groups that will be reporting exactly the same findings. Conservative-minded people now find themselves as just another aggrieved minority living out demographic extinction. This may be good - the pretence that today's Conservative party is conservative in any way - has been deceitful. Under Labour, the UK will become a developing country & it will have to come to terms with this diminishment of status. The image of a British leader like Boris strutting around the world's stage as if we still had an empire will be gone hopefully. Keep an eye on the Falklands, our overseas dependencies will be vulnerable like never before.
@deepblue8081
Жыл бұрын
When the decline accelerates under "Labour" maybe the ignorant will wake up. However I'm not betting on it.
@rogerwoodhouse7945
Жыл бұрын
Yes indeed .Boris was the last throw of the dice for what remained of little England.He was 50 years too late though.The British people were 'sold a pup' and boy are we still paying for it.
This always happens to culture when communits infiltrate a country.
Reform UK!
Absolutely brilliant interview. Matthew Goodwin sums the situation up perfectly.
What other political party represents the indigenous English people can we get behind.The mainstream parties are all unelectable in my opinion.
The Tories: who snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
People who vote for the Conservative party expect Conservative policies and conservative values. If the Conservative party don't deliver Conservative policies and promote Conservative values then the people won't vote for them