I wish all Bretonnia simps a very death by Karl Franz

@qrangejuice8225

2 жыл бұрын

Another point: Empire nobles and captains ride Griffons: Half Eagle, Half *Lion.* Bretonnians ride Hippogriffs: Half Eagle, Half... Horse. Lion vs. Horse. Who wins? Not rainbow dash that's for goddamn sure

@y1751

2 жыл бұрын

@@qrangejuice8225>runs away >attacks you when you are unprepared

@jakepel3117

2 жыл бұрын

Even as a Bretonnia fan I have to agree with most of your points. Except to the cuck part. Bretonnia are clearly simps not cucks, two different things. Despite Bretonnia knights simping for Ze Lady and drinking her bathwater I still like them.

@Ahrone1586

2 жыл бұрын

@@jakepel3117 buy they are cucks, not all the fucking kingdom have access to the lady, and if they will they are cucks nodaways

@ianlachey1726

2 жыл бұрын

You should do a do or don’t of ogre maw tribes and just constantly have images of them with backgrounds of them in Walmart as just average customers

“ ladies in lakes, distributing swords does not form a basis of government” some diabetic probably

@sovietunion7643

Жыл бұрын

if i had a nickel for everytime that joke was made on the vermintide subbreddit i swear

@soccerandtrack10

Жыл бұрын

@@sovietunion7643 swear what?

@soccerandtrack10

Жыл бұрын

It's the logic racism is based on. Racism is based on emotion,not logic.

@Meme-Weeb-Dweeb

Жыл бұрын

@@soccerandtrack10 What the hell happened here?

@primary2630

Жыл бұрын

@@soccerandtrack10 he'd swear that elven ladies in ponds distributing swords is no basis of governance. I'd argue the opposite. If a thick thighed elven goddess gave me a sword from a lake and said I was king, I'd let no one tell me otherwise.

"I'm an elf simp" well that's it. That's a grudgin! And it's going in the book!

@pancreasnowork9939

2 жыл бұрын

Whatever bud, you can’t unshave the beard.

@infinity8564

2 жыл бұрын

@@pancreasnowork9939 YOU FOOKIN DONE IT NOW KNIFE EAR

@spitandfire

2 жыл бұрын

@@pancreasnowork9939 "Right donkey. Now you've earned a smacked bottom!" Quote attributed to Shrek. Of the lesser known green ogre tribe. 2522, after the infamous "Can't unshave that beard" comment in the same year by some bloody self confessed elf simp.

@DylanJo123

2 жыл бұрын

@@pancreasnowork9939 Thats it, im getting me mallet, wazzok

@sarahhillary7698

2 жыл бұрын

NEVER TRUST AN ELF!

Bretonnian fan here. I'd like to say that you are in fact wrong about the horse sodomization, I have only sodomized 1 horse in my lifetime who happens to be my legally married life partner. Thank you very much.

@ivanmatijevic862

2 жыл бұрын

Your name says it all, that is completely normal and well adjusted behaviour

@runningcommentary2125

2 жыл бұрын

Ancient Indo-European tribes on what is now the Russian steppe believed a man who had sexual relations with an animal must die... unless said animal was a horse, in which case they believed no sin had been committed.

@presidentofthegalaxy3642

2 жыл бұрын

@@runningcommentary2125 true?

@runningcommentary2125

2 жыл бұрын

@@presidentofthegalaxy3642 I would look for a source to be sure, but I'm not sure I want to Google it.

@zeromaster1997

2 жыл бұрын

@@runningcommentary2125 oh common man, you have already typed it, how worse could possibly get?

Bretonnia would be so much cooler if the foil with the Empire wasn't "Flanderized serfdom" but instead an Elf-influenced nation of former horse-going and agrarian tribes advancing via magic as opposed to the Empire's gunpowder and Dwarfen allies.

@spamquisition4046

2 жыл бұрын

That would be so cool actually. It's already sort of there if you really look into it and tilt your head a bit but they could go all out with the Elf influence really.

@12halo3

2 жыл бұрын

@@spamquisition4046 than you would lose out on the super soldier blessed magic knights.

@spamquisition4046

2 жыл бұрын

@@12halo3 I mean, they're already very heavily Elf influenced in the lore. But even disregarding that, super soldier holy magic knights can be seen as lowly human attempt to emulate the glorious Silver Helms and Dragon Princes of the High Elves. No reason why more elf influence can't mix with the Arthurian/Medieval influences.

@Frantichairguy

2 жыл бұрын

Weird way to say Tilea.

@Rhonerin

2 жыл бұрын

That would be cool and have some basis in history because as a general rule water unites and land (especially mountains) divides. That means it would make some sense that bretonnia evolved closer to the elves rather than the humans of the empire.

The bretonnians are good because the industrial society is cringe

@pancreasnowork9939

2 жыл бұрын

Only acceptable counterargument

@buivantuanlam5316

2 жыл бұрын

While industrial society is indeed cringe, without it you wouldn't be here to write this comment rn.

@Connordaboss45

2 жыл бұрын

@@buivantuanlam5316 case and point

@juwebles4352

2 жыл бұрын

@@buivantuanlam5316 Not true, i'd put my dumb thoughts on the town bulletin board and be hung for heresy

@aprinnyonbreak1290

2 жыл бұрын

Valid point. However, in that realm, Brettonia is just bad Lizardmen. Lizardmen are rocking that pre-industrial technology better than anyone. You want labor organization without industry? BAM, communist utopia caste system where everyone is born happy to do what they were born to do, and even the ones that actually don't are accepted as being unique enough to be allowed to. Even the Kroxigors. And then Lizardmen turn around and are like "Wait. You guys don't even have levitating boats, power fists, or rocket ships? Plebs." Lizardmen keep the Beastmen up at night. They have no technology, and yet have all the technology, and no gor wants anything to do with a Saurus. Lizardmen are really just better Brettonia, when you think about it. Their cavalry is also entirely comprised of mating pairs, so you can still live out that "My Little Pony, Friendship with Benefits" dream that draws people to Brettonia in the first place.

>Is an elf simp >is bad against cavalry despite having a GLORIOUS LINE OF SPEARS Bruh

@robertcapestany6019

2 жыл бұрын

That's a grudgin'.

@JIMT412

2 жыл бұрын

This reaffirms the point of Elves being shitty against melee

@soccerandtrack10

Жыл бұрын

@@JIMT412 this explains everything, why he hates Korn too. Not the food,the Korn God of murder.

@RealMothman98

Жыл бұрын

​@@soccerandtrack10Khorne*

@brainfreezzzze6900

Жыл бұрын

Yah meam khorne? Or khaine?

Reason: "I can't kill Cavalry. At all, and they have mostly Cavalry." Me: ah the truth.

@Bluecho4

2 жыл бұрын

Allow a fool to keep talking, and they'll hoist themselves by their own petard.

@aprinnyonbreak1290

2 жыл бұрын

Cavalry is super easy to kill. Just like, hit them.

@guywholikesmemes4993

2 жыл бұрын

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 massive brain confirmed

@attemptedunkindness3632

2 жыл бұрын

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 This is why he dislikes Khorne: their strategies are just too complicated for PancreasNoWork to understand.

@ianduarte1992

2 жыл бұрын

@@attemptedunkindness3632 thats going too far man... i mean, Khorne is the defacto unga bunga faction, so failing to understanding their tactics is a feat worthy of only the smotthest brains to ever exist.

My favorite story of bretonnians is when a grailknight picked up a black orc and broke him over his knee.

@thepopulargirl1784

2 жыл бұрын

Bretane vs Orc-man

@pancreasnowork9939

2 жыл бұрын

Even Neanderthals can be badass every now and then.

@adamhadamcik385

2 жыл бұрын

@@pancreasnowork9939 you mean norscans ?

@discountplaguedoctor88

Жыл бұрын

@@adamhadamcik385 Nah, he means Bretonnians. Norsca at least has mammoths and demonic werewolves.

@brainfreezzzze6900

Жыл бұрын

Hmm that looks like A woosh to me Get fucked

People often misunderstand the Lilieth being the Lady of the Lake thing as an Elves are superior thing. In reality, the reveal in the End Times was that Lilieth became the Bretonnians' goddess because she was disappointed by how shitty and lame Elves are so she chose the chad Bretonnian humans as her new champions. The actual reveal wasn't that Elves cucked Bretonnia, but that Bretonnia cucked the Elves.

@Icebergeification

2 жыл бұрын

Stop deluding yourself, it would be cool if that where true but we all know its not

@Yotamb9

2 жыл бұрын

@@Icebergeification That is what actualy happened, Lilieth was disappointed in the Elves but was impressed by the Bretonnians high morals and chivelry so she chose them as her champions instead of the Elves.

@9051team

2 жыл бұрын

@@Icebergeification from what 8 can tell its actual lore, what you on about?

@azorat1976

2 жыл бұрын

@@9051team he's delusional

@Salted_Fysh

2 жыл бұрын

@@Yotamb9 what are you talking about? Lilieath specifically mentions that the only reason she raised up the Bretonnians is to serve as a bulwark for the Elves and that having forseen the End Times she needed Warriors to serve as Guardians for the Haven she had created to safeguard the Elves - that being the Grail Knights that were resurrected and brought to Haven after their death. She used the Bretonnians as tools to protect what was dear to her - the Elves and her Daughter who was to rule over them in the New World. And the only reason she uplifted the Bretonni at all was because she hadn't been allowed to make her own race. Hell, she doesn't give a damn about the Bretonnian peasants and only really interacts with her Grail Knights. I'm not sure where you're getting the disappointment angle from. Do you have a source?

Sounds like someone got flanked by some knights again lol

@pancreasnowork9939

2 жыл бұрын

NO

@Ilprimariogaming

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@SeraphimRoad

Жыл бұрын

"Counter this you filthy casual!" - Dwarven Helicopter Door Gunner

Funny that the Green Knight of Arthurian Legend was actually cooler than in the Warhammer Fantasy being a dude that can survive decapitations and teaching valuable lessons of chivalry rather than a souped-up Grail Knight. Though that might be my bias towards axes rather than swords, they just feel more satisfying to cleave and throw with.

@Connordaboss45

2 жыл бұрын

There are bretonnian lords with axes

@jakepel3117

2 жыл бұрын

Bretonnia Green Knight also survives decapitations and teaches valuable lessons. GW aren't very original...

@vicentetemes5793

2 жыл бұрын

Arthurian Green Knight was a motherfucking fae hitman. A hitfae.

@alexrexaros9837

2 жыл бұрын

If anything, Arthurian legends are better than all of Warhammer lore, on top of being precious patrimony to both England and France. People still analyse the tales of the Knights of the round table still to this very day.

@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah swords are overrated i recently became fond of machetes

I liked the old Bretonnia lore better. Seemed like an actually cool place back then instead of just a Flanderisation of medieval serfdom. Even made a dnd character inspired by the old lore.

@Reaper99kf

2 жыл бұрын

Could you give a tldr on what they were like in the old lore?

@jayusmaximus2322

2 жыл бұрын

@@Reaper99kf From what I remember (could be blurred from 1d4chan so take with grain of salt and laugh if I'm wrong) Pretty sure it was like a Meritocracy where if you could walk the walk and talk the talk for your village , you could be semi decent in life. Example : you a farmer convince your village to forge you armor / weapon and you go slay the big mean thing over the hill. You return with its head and boom , you're a knight cause you walked the walk. So anyone could rise up basically and be a badass along everyone else

@Reaper99kf

2 жыл бұрын

@@jayusmaximus2322 wow that actually sounds infinitely better than the inbred cosplaying simps we got in the updated fantasy lore.

@pancreasnowork9939

2 жыл бұрын

It was certainly better before but unfortunately I would still hate it regardless because I cannot counter cavalry.

@plaidpvcpipe3792

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's way cooler.

Funnily enough, Bretonnia's navy outside of Total War did invest in modern tech like guns and is supposedly the strongest human navy in the Warhammer Fantasy world because they were somehow exempt or found loopholes around the intensive medieval and elf larping of the knights on land.

@MK_ULTRA420

2 жыл бұрын

"No guns on land." "Are ships land?" "No" "Thanks, I'll keep that in mind."

@alejandronieto4212

8 ай бұрын

So, like in actual medieval times, got it.

@alejandronieto4212

8 ай бұрын

@windrose5988 did they made ship cannons before ground cannons? I know big ground cannons were generally unreliable in battle (which btw, would kinda apply to ship battles too), more generally intended to sieges, but if they were still used in naval warfare before sieges, the point would stand... If they were used in sieges, I still intended this as a joke, but will gladly accept my mistake.

@Gorbz

8 ай бұрын

If the Man O War game is anything to go by, Brettonians mounted catapaults and trebuchets on their ships.

@nationalsocialism3504

7 ай бұрын

​@windrose5988 actually the Ottomans had one of the most powerful navies in the Mediterranean & therefore the world at the time... it was widely considered the height of folly for Russia who has always had a very weak Naval history in comparison to Western Europe, to have constructed a large fleet from basically scratch then fill it with untrained sailors way up at St Petersburg in the Baltic. They sailed that fleet all the way around to refit in Naples before taking on the Ottoman navy around Greece... it was a shock to literally everyone when Russia actually won the Naval engagement

I think GW desire for grimmdark and, similar to the space marines, having the empire as one of the main faces of the fantasy genre, Bretonnia was fucked over by 6th edition, where they went from noble warriors relaying in faith and magic over gunpowder and praying to a elven goddess that preferred humans for their selfelness and humility than elves, and that strive fro the best possible values, thus, making them the knight of the Round Table, but agins eldritch abominations, to what they now are. Even in their own books the guys of the empire are seeing as kinder people and value life a lot more. The empire, known for their political infighting, civil wars and witch burning. They literally took everything bad with the empire and gave it to to bretonnia. Hell, when I write bretonnian stories, I always go back to that old lore where they stand as paragons and great guys, being the definition of a Chad. But hey, each one to his likings. We all know you hate them beacause you cannot counter cavalry. And that is OK.

@CT--ko8js

2 жыл бұрын

A similarly story happened to the tau, because people couldn’t handle the idea that you can have a morally good faction act as a foil to the morally ambiguous empire

@TheLostPrimarch2nd

2 жыл бұрын

@@CT--ko8js True, but I alway thought that the Tau retcon was quite nice, mainly because it shows how the cast system keeps control and obedience by any means, and it makes Farsight a lot more of a badass. Had the tau been a democracy, then it would have been quite out of place. Also, I'm a Humanity FUCK YEAH kind of guy, so the tau sterilizing humans gives another excuse to purge xenos.

@Bluecho4

2 жыл бұрын

@@CT--ko8js It's not even so much that original Tau were good. It's that they were "merely" an expantionist military power that projected both hard and soft power, as a means of creating a hegemony. That the hegemony would be done in the interests of "the Greater Good" is at least partially, if not wholly, an honest aspiration in the empire's proponents. (Fun fact: one of the creators of the Tau likened them more to NATO than to any comparisons to states like China.)

@CT--ko8js

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheLostPrimarch2nd perhaps it was that the Brctonnain retcon went too far in making them douchebaggy that it forgot the ultimate purpose Bretonnia was supposed to serve in setting.

@CT--ko8js

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheLostPrimarch2nd which sucks because bretonnia is a great foil for the empire and could even be better with some more emphasis on magic than the empire

Bretonnia is the best when you use the old lore. Imagine if you had all of its issues, but then they were all super heroic and good guys. Like, then they'd actually be way cooler. And their knights would be even bigger chads. Like, holy shit these people are fuckin insane. Grail Knights are all God damn WWE champions. Oh, and the idea that the Lady chose the Bretonnians over Elves for their humility and kindness is just super cool.

@Salted_Fysh

2 жыл бұрын

Bretonnians. Humility and kindness... We're talking about the same oppressive regime of nobles with near unlimited power where peasants are treated like shit, right? Besides, in the End Times it's made very clear that Lileath only used the Bretonnians to create a bulwark for the Elves and to create Guardians for her Haven (for the Elves) that she left her daughter (an elf). And she only used them at all because she wasn't allowed to make her own race. Lileath doesn't give an iota of a damn about any Bretonnians other than those suitable to become Grail Knights. Long story short, they're tools.

@plaidpvcpipe3792

2 жыл бұрын

@@Salted_Fysh I explicitly said that I’m talking about the older lore where they weren’t like that.

@Salted_Fysh

2 жыл бұрын

@@plaidpvcpipe3792 hasn't the treatment and lot of peasants always been the same in Bretonnia lore? Admittedly, I'm not an expert. I mean they _are_ modelled after french nobility so...

@plaidpvcpipe3792

2 жыл бұрын

@@Salted_Fysh no it hasn’t. And the extent of the cruelty of the Bretonnian nobles in “modern” lore isn’t even accurate to the Middle Ages. If that place were real, either the peasants would all starve to death and the knights would die with their systems soon after or the peasants would all rebel and kill the knights. And no, Bretonnia hasn’t always been this way. The society used to be more meritocratic and the people more heroic. That was changed in an effort to make it “grimdark.”

@Salted_Fysh

2 жыл бұрын

@@plaidpvcpipe3792 well, purely from the inspirational standpoint, Bretonnia would likely be placed between 9th and 12th century france/britain which is also time of the establishment of most European formalized royal court systems and literature as well as the beginning of Feudalism and the heavy presence of serfdom. It depends on the region of where they lived of course but as far as we can tell (hard to do because not a popular topic with contemporary writers) serfs were generally a little better off than slaves but not by much. Most commonly the protection they enjoyed was that they couldn't be sold individually and that technically their bondage could be paid off through their own work. Technically. The lord was also 'obligated' to provide protection against banditry. Realistically speaking they had no legal representation because their lord _was_ their legal representation. In other words, they had about as many rights as they were allowed to have by their lord so long as he did not grossly overstep his bounds by massacring them. As for revolts - didn't really happen. Peasants didn't have the training or equipment necessary to launch successful revolts. Trying to flee the land towards the cities and holding out until you had lived there long enough to become a legal citizen was safer than trying to fight your lord - in which case even if you suceeded you would have just been killed anyway and your family would have received punishment too. Yes, we've had peasant uprisings in history but with very few exceptions most either ended before they started or were brutally crushed.

Bretonnia uses cannons, they're actually common in naval warfare and are a naval power.

@dark7element

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, because gunpowder weapons are banned "in the lands of Bretonnia"... and, well, ships aren't in the *LANDS* of Bretonnia, are they?

@giacomoromano8842

2 жыл бұрын

-Tomb kings ships have mounted in heat lasers. -Your argument is invalid. *leave*.

@Connordaboss45

2 жыл бұрын

@@giacomoromano8842 Tomb Kings also smell bad, and have bad teeth.

@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593

2 жыл бұрын

@@giacomoromano8842 skaven have nukes your argument is invalid

@someirishguy1662

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah Manowar lore claimed the Bretonnian navy to be extremely powerful

Bretonnia was the perfect setting for a Napoleon like guy to arrive, but no age of ligma need to exist.

@semorebutts2584

6 ай бұрын

Keep your short French king out of my Ancient Wales.

“This not only proves the elves are the best..” I’mma stop you right there, Warmblood. Yeah, the prissy knife-ears might’ve made the Vortex to siphon Chaos, but only thanks to the Geomantic Web and the Lizardmen doing all the heavy lifting. Also they aren’t a race composed of dinosaurs, pterosaurs, crocodilians, and toads that can twist Hydras into knots with their minds. Also Sigmar has nothing on Sotek. [ This post is part of the Great Plan. ]

@pancreasnowork9939

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting argument with valid points. But have you considered cope seethe mald dilate?

@DeusExAngelo

2 жыл бұрын

@@pancreasnowork9939 I must admit, I cannot find such a consideration on my plaques. There is many passages regarding Rampage though.

@gudboah4688

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like the elves and lizardmen are the chads of warhammer.

@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593

2 жыл бұрын

Please lizardmen-thing your god-deity is nothing but a snake-thing ya found-discovered slithering-crawling in a swamp-lake in a forgotten-unremembered region of your accursed jungle-forest and your frog-toad-things are all busy blabbing-bragging about constellations-firmaments and sleeping-dreaming at the same time [ this post was made-created by clan esshin ]

@aprinnyonbreak1290

2 жыл бұрын

@@gudboah4688 Lizardmen are the chads. In the true Chad sense, where while being overall very positive, there are some very clear issues with carelessness. Did Lizardmen make almost everything the thing Elves use to prove their moral superiority? Yes. Are the Daemons everyone else fights usually just the leftovers from Lizardmen kicking ass? Yes. Is Lord Kroak LITERALLY SAVING THE WORLD EVERY SECOND OF EVERY DAY? Yes. Did some Slann also genocide the Dwarfs on a level that would make Grimgor, Skarsnik, and Queek cream themselves on a whim because some rocks were in the wrong place. and then get away with it because the one guy that blamed fat frog men from the other side of the world was ignored? Also yes. Are some Saurus coming to eat you because The Plan decided Saurus needed absolutely zero chill? Definitely. That's just Lizardmen things. High Elves are actually the textbook virgins. They are overly concerned with their own status, take massive credit for things they have marginal roles in, yet constantly undermine their own image by being incredibly insecure and easy to pivot into extreme emotional outbursts, like that tine Malekith threw a tantrum because nobody else agreed he was as special as his mommy told him (remember, he was still a High Elf then.) High Elves are that person with a resume so caked in bullshit that it's sticky. And the Empire, of course, are Sigmas, because that's the closest to Sigmar.

I'm actually playing a Bretonnia playthrough on total war rn lmao

@pancreasnowork9939

2 жыл бұрын

I wish you a very wiped by Norsca

@Termanater97

2 жыл бұрын

@@pancreasnowork9939 sheeesssh lol but yeah 100%

@tacky4237

2 жыл бұрын

@@pancreasnowork9939 no wall

@thepopulargirl1784

2 жыл бұрын

With how strong the order tide is now, it's more likely that you'll be scrambling for opponents so you can get enough chivalry to finish the campaign.

@War_is_cool

2 жыл бұрын

I played brettonia once. Boring as fuck

In a great case of rules lawyering, the Navy of Bretonnia does in fact use cannons and other gunpowder weapons. Because technically, they don't use them on the lands of Bretonnia.

While I understand you being happy with Bretonnia being deleted, I'm still sad that they also deleted the Tomb Kings along with them.

@rivereclipse2186

2 жыл бұрын

Tomb kings deserve better

@pancreasnowork9939

2 жыл бұрын

The Tomb Kings were done a horrible disservice to a really cool faction

@commandercostas

2 жыл бұрын

I miss them

@DeusExAngelo

2 жыл бұрын

True enough, but at the same time Settra went out in the most Settra way possible. Spitting in face of the Chaos Gods for daring to think they could order him around, then deciding to wage war on all them solo, conquer their realms, and then come back for Nagash when he was done. He also beat Kholek Suneater in single combat. Also, for all we know, Settra is still in the Realms of Chaos, and may yet return to usurp Nagash from his throne.

@nerdyvids1

2 жыл бұрын

@@DeusExAngelo Imagine if Settra pulled a Gotrek and just *showed up* in AOS. Not a reborn or altered version, literally just him. He'd been faffing around in the realms of chaos the whole time, and randomly found a portal to the mortal realms. He then becomes enraged at the complete lack of Nehekaran influence on the world and sets out to make a NEW kingdom, even grander than before, with an immortal king with eons of experience.

In the older Warhammer Fantasy RPG books (2nd edition) they actually had one of the Bretonnian cities involve itself in some innovation. The merchants were arming their ships with cannons from the Empire, to protect their trade, and were even gaining political control over the city. Really wish they had kept that in the setting, instead of doubling-down on the feudalism.

Can't fight Cav? Form a square Can't from a square? Get 4 spearman units and make a square

@aprinnyonbreak1290

2 жыл бұрын

Can't fight Cavalry? *laughs in Temple Guard*

@InquisitorShepard

Жыл бұрын

My solution to cavalry was skavenslaves and globadiers. My new solution (yet untested) is a vermintide summon or menace from below, a globadiers and now a ratling that replaced this skavenslave. All weapons team is fun.

The one good thing about bretonnia was that it was possible to build an entire army using non-GW models... Making it a so much cheaper option if that's your thing....

@someirishguy1662

2 жыл бұрын

Im doing this currently

How do you have a bad time against CAVALRY in total war Warhammer? It got nerded into the ground

@pancreasnowork9939

2 жыл бұрын

I’m bad

@TheAchilles26

2 жыл бұрын

@@pancreasnowork9939, then you should avoid every other Total War ever, cuz cav is better in the rest of the series

@bullettime1116

9 күн бұрын

I'm the reverse, I hate bretonnia because I suck with cavalry and hate using them

I've always found it very odd in settings like these that technology stays stagnent for so very long or progresses at a glacier pace. Like I remember somebody once said that progress technologically is driven by limitation and need; load too heavy so make wheel, prey too fast so make bow and arrow, cold so make fire and shelter etc. etc. So if these nations are constantly fighting against a plethera of horrible monstrosities that outnumber and outmuscle them , with near total destruction on several occasions, why is there no serious attempt to kick up the war industry a notch or five? The Empire is described as brutally effecient on a military and religious level and hopefully magical, alchemic, and scientific R&D are well funded yet it seems like a military doctrine and technology stay the same for hundreds of years! Real world humans, who never had as threatening or terrifying of challenges, still progressed industrialy and militarily way faster than these dunces.

@tcideh4929

2 жыл бұрын

Then 40k exists… where the space marines the main people just are stagnant…

@viktorvh5511

2 жыл бұрын

Well, still faster progress than in 40k, also skaven climbed the tech tree real fast like from dirt to rocket science, nuke and laser rifles/cannons. Also they blew up the moon, so rats are smarter somehow than humans which is weird and dumb but hey it's GWs and the end times was a complete failures

@DeusExAngelo

2 жыл бұрын

In fairness for Bretonnia, they went stagnate because many of their values of chivalry (of which many are in fact positive) have also been hampered by an ultra-traditionalism. It’s served them well enough that they haven’t needed to change it much. This is besides the fact that many of their enchanted arms and armor are uniquely powerful. So they’ve sorta plateau’d but at the same time the enchantments are their strong cavalry do allow them to hold their own against the other factions for the most part. Additionally, other factions would probably have to chew through the Empire, Athel Loren, The Dwarves, The Southern Realms, etc. before getting to them. So Bretonnia is fairly isolated as well. It’s also not uncommon in history for various civilizations in humans history to be “behind the curve” in terms of technological progress…yet still be quite formidable in their own right.

@patrickthemeek4797

2 жыл бұрын

@@DeusExAngelo Yeah, I guess if God literally made you into a holy super soldier for killing in his name and upholding his values, you wouldn't put much value in alternative means of succuss in life whether it be in art, culture, technology, or economics because those involve dealing with unknowns and playing the long game. Plus have you guys played brettonia on SFO? Four words: REGENERATING FLYING UBER CAVALRY!

@vurrunna

2 жыл бұрын

The simple answer: Because writing technological advancement into a fantasy setting is hard, and if nations advanced too much they'd end up progressing past their initial stereotype/theme. I'm sure folks have devised some in-universe explanation to justify it, but it really does just come down to that. Which isn't necessarily all that bad, considering what happened the last time GW advanced the technology in Warhammer, and we got... *Sigmarines.*

all I got from this is chad sigmar vs virgin emperor. and honestly I can fully get behind that

I can honestly at least respect King Louen in end times, the dude was pure af that he literally bled GOLD while fighting AND killing Ku'Gath, which is fuckin insane, he ascended to god-hood as well, or at least close to that. Literally became a "golden paldin" and standing next to Lilieath after end times or sth. But then again...fuq End TImes.

@someirishguy1662

2 жыл бұрын

Not only, but Vlad Von Carstein helped him in his battle, the two literally had a bro moment

@joshjonson2368

Жыл бұрын

That has to be the shittiest fate ever dying as a king just to reincarnate as an elf's servant

@sivel7493

Жыл бұрын

@@joshjonson2368 their whole schtick was simping unknowingly (I presume) to an elf the whole entire time so not that much different xD

Yeah, but have you considered this: "Goddess-girl bathwater"?

I do gotta say tho the brettonian drip does make up for most of the downsides

Fun fact: Bretonnia had cannons in the naval game.

I remember hearing once that GW never wanted to do Bretonia but a couple of guys who worked there kept pushing for it. They didn’t even want magic just as true to realistic medieval army as they could and it took a lot of convincing for them to allow more fantasy elements hence why nearly everything they have barely scraps as having a fantastical edge. As soon as those guys left gw left the brets to rot.

@Bluecho4

2 жыл бұрын

Of course now, we have Age of Sigmar, a setting that is as magical and high fantasy as it gets. The only reason it doesn't have Bretonnians is because 1) GW killed the model range and decided not to import it to Cities of Sigmar, and 2) because human knights on horseback is almost quaint next to the Stormcast Eternals.

@utubrGaming

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bluecho4 Also, GW can't exactly copyright "Medieval Western Europe" and "Arthurian Folklore" can they? It's almost too easy to proxy, and they're a plastic company, not a lore company foremost.

@sandrothenecromancer6810

Жыл бұрын

They were right, It would combine all the strenghts of medieval europe with stronger knights, decent but irregular infantry and good magic at the cost of gunpowder and more advanced tech and means of production (IE less armies).

@samurai90x

6 ай бұрын

@@utubrGaming they're a douchebag company first and foremost

1:50 Your right actually, the Bretonnian Navy is a bastion of bourgeois mercantile pragmatism that not totally gets away with using gunpowder - but are notable for just how many guns they use, and this was never retconned. You can even see the gun-decks on their ships (or at least where the gun decks on the Man'O'War model would be) in the Total War Warhammer campaign map. It makes sense too, it's really hard to sodomise horses on a boat.

Gasp! This displeases the Lady! Plus… a knight on horseback is only bad because of guns. But if you have fucking magic that lets take bullets like a chad makes horseback warriors insanely good. Look at the Russian/Polish Hussars in the Napoleon War

@heliosjollywolf9552

2 жыл бұрын

The skaven have fucking miniguns, nehekhara and the lizardmen have lazers, the dwarfs have vietnam, and the emprie has tanks, all of the remaining factions have better magic and monsters... oh and the orks have weaponized stupidity Your argument is invalid

@y1751

2 жыл бұрын

@@heliosjollywolf9552 that’s what the men at arms are for.

@navilluscire2567

2 жыл бұрын

@@heliosjollywolf9552 Yet somehow the Empire is just objectively superior to all of them and could total b*tch slap them all with zero effort despite being the most mundane faction out there. Not to mention they have no originality and had to get what supernatural creatures they have from Chaos hilariously hypocrisy that one, and even their wizards are just copycats of real elven high magic mages except they for some stupid arbitrary reasons arbitrarily broke up the cool high magic into lame colors of some wacko death rainbow and have the gaul to claim that as some totally original take on it!

@heliosjollywolf9552

2 жыл бұрын

@@navilluscire2567 we talking about brettonia here not the empire, the empire at least had the brains to get themselves guns and those steampunky tanks, brettonia as dipshit farmers, knights who simp for an elven goddess and a shitty french accent

@heliosjollywolf9552

2 жыл бұрын

@@navilluscire2567 also in game the empire would lose to both the high elves and dwarves, in lore the lizardmen are always the hardest to get rid of for chaos, and the empire, tho actually just humans in general are the easiest to corrupt, also settra would bitchslap the shit out of karl franz

This man mocks Bretonnians for their god actually being an elf god but then turns around says that Sigmar is way better than the emperor when the only difference between them is that Sigmar is probably a skeleton in a ditch somewhere while the emperor is a skeleton in a fancy chair. This is his best joke so far

@redenginner

Жыл бұрын

The Emperor is the potato in a kids potato battery experiment.

@discountplaguedoctor88

Жыл бұрын

True, but Sigmar wasn't an insult to atheists everywhere or a shit excuse for a parent UNLIKE EMPRAH. That, and Sigmar did in fact become a god without being stuck on an overrated portapotty.

@christopherbravo1813

Жыл бұрын

@@discountplaguedoctor88 wow I didn't realize that accurately portraying Atheists was considered insulting.

@discountplaguedoctor88

Жыл бұрын

@@christopherbravo1813 I was referring to Emps' arguments against religion in The Last Church. Citing JUST the Crusades as your sole evidence against religion isn't a point in favor of atheism.

@christopherbravo1813

Жыл бұрын

@@discountplaguedoctor88 to be fair, it's what a lot of Atheists do. though you'd think that one who has existed for so much of human history would be able to pull up a better argument.

GW dev:- so what are these guys inspired by GW:- King Arthur and France GW dev:- so should we give em cavalry and longbows alongside cheap halbs GW:- just HONSE

@youraveragescotsman7119

Жыл бұрын

An army with the strengths of English Longbows and French Knights would be... horrifyingly effective. For such an army, use the Radious mods on TWWH. Have fun steamrolling.

Bretonnia would be the best faction if they were all monty python knights and skipped at the enemy with a peasant behind them clapping coconuts. That would be good

@aprinnyonbreak1290

2 жыл бұрын

What do you think Brettonian unit Muscisians are?

@42Nightsyesterday

Жыл бұрын

If you read the lore, they pretty much are that actually

How did they make King Arthur in an open fantasy setting so boring? I mean come on you could have made the entire faction based on imaginative badass fantasy knights. Sub factions based on each of the knights of the round table and chivalrous virtues. It writes itself! You know what screw it GW won't.. I will.

@NagandEmerald

2 жыл бұрын

Because Arthurian legend itself is cliche and full of contrivances and has no actual canonicity.

@poyloos4834

2 жыл бұрын

@@NagandEmerald i think you mean it created those cliches

@matthiuskoenig3378

2 жыл бұрын

1- nothing wrong with clichés, people use it as complaint but forget they are cliche becuase they are enjoyable and the alternatives tend to be lame and cringe. 2- Arthurian legends created those clichés, so it's not cliche 3- it lacks continuity because it was created pre-Internet and pre-printing press. How the fuck where they supposed to keep continuity?

@NagandEmerald

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthiuskoenig3378 1. There is nothing wrong with a cliche until it loses its original meaning. Arthurian legends have abundantly lost their original meanings due to contrivance and overbloat of what amounts to fanfiction. 2. In regard to your comment regarding the internet and printing press, the Bible had its established canon long before that. Your point is moot. It was never codified for Arthurian legend. For what reason is unknown.

@NagandEmerald

2 жыл бұрын

@@poyloos4834 No. It really didn't. Most of the fantasy cliches came about as a result of Tolkien, or as a result of other legends.

In the oldest lore, Bretonnia was similar to Empire, with gunpowder weapons, and was similar to the France of King Louis XIV.

Pancreas: I can't beat horses Me: Just use pikes lol (I've only played Rome and Medieval 2)

@yarus5889

2 жыл бұрын

Spear ashigaru mawhahah

@kamikazoo6599

2 жыл бұрын

@@yarus5889 Yarimazing!

>is a Karl Franz simp >Karl Franz's personal gaurd is cavalry >sucks with cavalry The Prince and Emperor is not pleased

I respectfully disagree, to each their own. Still an entertaining listen though lol. Slayers do in fact kick ass.

Chaos Warrior: Surrender mortal! Warrior Priest: DO YOU THINK THIS FLAG STANDS FOR "BRETONNIA"?!

Finally, now I have mildly some concrete answers to parrot on why I hate the Bretonnia/The French beyond "Fuck 'em, I hate the French".

@tcideh4929

2 жыл бұрын

French/English vs The empire being Italy and HRE

@thechazz3230

2 жыл бұрын

Hate modern Brettonia. Don't hate their old renditions.

@iona2225

2 жыл бұрын

@@thechazz3230 Hate modern France. Hate older French lore... slightly less.

@thechazz3230

2 жыл бұрын

@@iona2225 At least Napoleon was pretty cool. Last cool Frenchman. One dude managing to conquer almost all of Europe thanks to his cannon fetish is pretty neat.

@iona2225

2 жыл бұрын

@@thechazz3230 Oh indeed. The guy was an awkward dude who couldn't describe how he would plow his best bud from Portugal-iberia to the farthest eastern end of the silk road if he was a chick to his wife without it sounding weird, but ya gotta give props to a good, lengthy conquest of various, diverse states that are all very different and haven't been anything near unified since an idiot decided to split Rome in two. And people legit feared the french back then, they were stereotyped as being blood thirsty, fire spirited ravagers. And considering a certain period of their history not too long ago from this particular point, it isn't unfounded.

I refuse to hear Bretonnia slander.

... *Time to crusade.* While I disagree, still love the vids! Edit: What I do with my horse in the name of the Lady is my damned business, thank you very much.

Your opinions might be shit but your taste in videogame osts is impeccable. That's all I want to say.

Brettonia is funny. Mostly because when they see a Lizardman, they fall over eachother to slay the great serpent, then a 9 foot dinosaur man bonks them.

Damn, didn't know the different kinds of elf simps hated each other as much as the different kind of elves hated each other. Also, Bretonnia is an example what would eventually happen to the Tau. They were introduced as a somewhat decent society, but because they seemed better than the default good guys, they got grimdarked. Edit: Also the Red Duke is the coolest Bretonnian character and should have been added as a playable lord in Total War Warhammer already.

[Silverhelms riding towards the enemy in perfect formation] Gilles Le Breton: Write hat down write that down 📜

@Anonie324

3 ай бұрын

Bold of you to assume the Bretonii ever learned how to write.

L + Ratio + No chivalry + touch grail + get a horse

Bretonnia is my favorite faction but it is awful because GW hates them and wants you to hate them too.

@SamueL-td7fb

2 жыл бұрын

And they do a great job at it!

Hi sorry to say but this is the first video I’ll ever disagree with, Brettonia is my favorite faction not because of their Arthurian myth inspo but because I can relate to the peasantry. I myself am an inbred (in fact, I am typing with my 3rd thumb) and I love the inclusion of lowly peasants in my game, in fact, I even name them after each of my family members, (my favorite is Pierre, he’s my alcoholic uncle and he can take a beating, much like in the tabletop). The best part is that I can even add my own paints to their units to give them leprosy or crotch rashes! I doubt the empire can do that, because the empire sucks and smell bad.

@BenjiDurden1

2 жыл бұрын

💀 i laughed way 2 hard at this

Bretonnia, the only WH: TW faction to be easily countered by man's most ubiquitous weapon: the spear.

I read somewhere a long time ago that Bretonnia was forced into the setting by management just wanting to have a King Arthur-style army. And when those management types left, the designers just up and abandoned Bretonnia.

Aren't you basically the same as a bretonnian, since you have the same views on elves?

@pancreasnowork9939

2 жыл бұрын

I do it in a good way so it’s completely different

@brianwalsh1339

2 жыл бұрын

@@pancreasnowork9939 suuuuure buddy

As a ogre player I like all factions as dinner.

The Lady of the Lake is the divine equivalent of a streamer that sells her bathwater to an army of simp while Sigmar is the ultimate sugar love daddy that compensate your dedication to him with cool powers, lots of love and touching his beard. Prove me wrong.

@jonathanathor117

2 жыл бұрын

Sigmar is what the god emperor of mankind should have been.

@marseldagistani1989

Жыл бұрын

@@jonathanathor117 Sigmar is the God emperor of mankind who did nothing wrong

Virgin handgunners vs Chad Paladins.

I think it is absolutely rational to believe my Trebuche to be to modern while my neighbours over the mountains are frequently using: rifles, mortars, cannons, rocket launchers, gating guns and early tanks. Yep Bretonnian horselovers are right. Time to rid ourselves of something pathetic like artillery.

My main problem with the Brentonians, is that they do an admirable job of representing Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail. And people see it and think its based on real medieval society. Makes the faction very one dimensional.

All of those reasons you listed are why I LIKE Brettonia. Except the not having tanks part. That part is depressing. I really wish there were more options than just horse, more expensive horse, and flying horse. Also in some mythos Hippogriffs get eaten by Gryphons, or are at least sired by Gryphons who mate with their prey (horses). So there is that.

@someirishguy1662

2 жыл бұрын

I once talked to a forge world designer in person at a convention years ago that wanted Bretonnia to have living grail chapels that would act like the Tomb King Necrosphinx, and another construct of Battle Pilgrims carrying an even larger warshrine

@HrHaakon

2 жыл бұрын

Yeoman gives you the option of cheap horse.

I once read (the source was shady at best, so take it with a pinch of salt) that bretonnia as a faction was initially thought out as a sort of "human Sylvania". The nobles would be so full of themselves and mask their decadence through codes and big talks of honor while, on the field, they mass levied the peasantry and used massive war machines of all kinds, so your strategy would center around long range harassment and destruction, huge crowds of peasants cannon fodder and extremely costly but good knights ujits to swoop in and finish the job. They probably changed it because it looked too close to the Empire game strategy.

@joaomarques6109

2 жыл бұрын

I played old versions Bretonnians, they where the opposite (IRC 4th\5th edition). They where a Cav only army, you could have a unit of men-at-arms and archers, Siege engines only appeared on the last edition. In terms of lore and real game there wheren't mass peasants. I believe for most of 2 editions you could only field one unit of men-at-arms, the lore clearly stated that each lord only had 1/2men-at-arms so they would always flock together and form one unit.

@rellek4053

2 жыл бұрын

Can confirm this was never the original plan, it’s closer to what they were flanderized into

@badfoody

2 жыл бұрын

except in the Empire, they just fire all the cannons, hold the line and get paid a living wage

@MK_ULTRA420

2 жыл бұрын

Add some light artillery, snipers, and elite infantry for well-placed assaults and you have Napoleonic warfare. Cannons alone would increase the worth of any peasant who can haul a cannon, making each Bretonnian peasant as valuable as a horse with a limp instead of a well-fed pig.

@Berserker3624

Жыл бұрын

@@MK_ULTRA420 point but think of this, the Cauvery is bulletproof those cannons are too slow and saber to throat has always been an effective means of dispelling elite troops

At one point the Bretonians had some interesting knights in that they offten came from the pasantry and theoretically anyone could become a knight. villagers would work hard to train one of their own and equip them to fight evil. Meaning the Bretonian Hierarchy actually started at the village level. Yes, the nobilitiy was still a thing and they had an advantage in training, but it gave Bretonia a much more wholesome character. it made them somthing more than just asshole knights with shitsmeared peasants with a potential communist revollution waiting to happen. But that wasnt grimdark so GW canned that and made them asshole frenchman being played by elves.

As a Bretonnian simp, we can say that this is true. We all drink Horse and Lady of the Lake bath water.

Wait, "bretonnia dont have advanced tech". Except emps and dwarfs, non of the other factions have that much more advanced tech. O.o

Imagine someone tell PancreasNoWork that the Bretonnian ancestors did betray Sigmar during the preparations for the Black Fire Pass battle and did flee to the south while all the other tribes did stick together under the leadership of Heldenhammer to stop the greenskins.

@Sara3346

2 жыл бұрын

The version I heard was that they never considered sigmar to be their leader to be in with.

I luckily stumbled upon your educating video just as I was searching for an army to buy into once the Old World returns. Bretonnia basically sounds like everything I was looking for in a faction :D

@bastonneknight9478

11 ай бұрын

40k player, but for my LARP gear I went Bretonnian knight. I like knights and the Bretonnian aesthetic.

I’d actually like Bretonnia if they weren’t just an insanely over exaggerated stereotype of Medieval Knights and Serfdom, keep the King Arthur stuff, drastically tone down how much of an utter inaccurate stereotype of Medieval times they are, and have it so that they advanced via magic instead of technology.

@TwoFistsOneHalleluja

2 ай бұрын

I'd say give Bretonnia some wraiths/spectral units. The Green Knight is basically this. The concept should be extended to all Grail Knights who ever died. + Blessed artifacts + Wololo priests (who can turn enemy units) + Greek fire units, either infantry and/or some giant flamethrower on wheels that gets pushed by peasants + Mutated animals (like the bretonnian truffle hound but way bigger), maybe Sabertooths and Aurochs? + A giant aurochs with archers on top? There's so much that GW could do with Bretonnia that doesn't involve industrialization. They've just decided to shit on that faction because they couldn't copyright most of it.

Fun fact: Bretonnia used to have Cannons and Mechanical Horses back in way earlier editions.

Pictured here: an Elf simp makes fun of Elf simps

Funny enough Bretonian knights could use Empire plate during the last Storm of Chaos (so the campaign right before the end times). It was never represented in any model though. I agree with one point. Not inovaiting at all and not learning from even neighboring nations is silly and Bad writing. Even though you can created some cultural ideals with a negative outcome. Mounted units are fun though. Playing them, or ending them with spears, monsters etc. The End of the lady of the lake was really bad. Mind you, no one knew this until the end times and most hated it. Not a Bretonia player, simply some points I could make.

@krinkrin5982

2 жыл бұрын

Japan and China closed themselves off from the world for hundreds of years. It is definitely believable that an ultra-nationalistic, ultra-traditionalist group in power would think of the other nations as their lessers and corruptors of the True Path (TM), and subsequently ignore all innovation that comes their way. The fact that Bretonnia is isolated and either an ally or neutral to all its neighbors doesn't help. Plus they have really powerful magic protections that are apparently safer to use than the Imperial counterpart. There was a story I've read that posited magic in a setting stifles technological innovation, because a) why invent something if you can pay the local wizard to do it for you, and b) said wizards would be very interested in keeping their revenue stream intact.

@SMT-ks8yp

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I stumbled upon a wiki notion that bretonnians like full plate. And I wonder how ridiculously overpriced it is to their backwards econonomy, either by demand of highly skilled manual labour, or by ordering the armor and all repairs from abroad. Also, agree about factions not learning from each other. Warhammer Fantasy doesn't have it everywhere (unlike 40k), with the whole Ordertide thing and some other events (elves learned from lizards, Empire from high elves and dwarves, Nagash from dark elves, skaven steal from everyone...)

In lore a grail knight can rip the steam tank apart with his bare hands. They are ridiculous.

Kinda feels like the End Times have come all the way back around to being awesome thanks to Total War and Vermintide

As a beastmen player I can confirm that we do like to shit on Brettonian lawns.

"I'm an elf simp" - and that when I took it personally

I…. Disagree.

the opening "im sick of hiding it" made me think "im tired of pretending that its not"

We're Knights of the Round Table We dance whene'er we're able We do routines and chorus scenes With footwork impeccable We dine well here in Camelot We eat ham and jam and spam a lot We're Knights of the Round Table Our shows are formidable But many times, we're given rhymes That are quite unsingable We're Opera mad in Camelot We sing from the diaphragm a looooooot In war we're tough and able Quite indefatigable Between our quests we sequin vests And impersonate Clark Gable It's a busy life in Camelot I have to push the pram a lot

I pick khorne specifically because it makes people like you mad. Also i live blood for the blood god and skulls for the skull throne

The empire always goes on a liberation war in my games, those peasants deserve to work for guilds and burghers

Tzeentch realised pancreas would be too strong so he messed up his pancreas to contain his power

Can't wait for the Old World to drop so I can play Bretonnians.

Sounds like someone likes elves a bit too much. … so how’s Imrik’s dragon fetish going Also if we want to talk horse-fuckers, look no further than Ellyrion. And Tiranoc. And Caledor too, honestly, the pompous fucks I love the empire but even I think an 8 minute video on why the French suck while completely ignoring the elves many, many many faults is a bit much. … anyway Kislev and Empire best faction

@Kronosaurus-1924

15 күн бұрын

Counterpoint, the orcs are da biggest, da greenest, and da best.

Well they're the Flesh Eater Courts now. So there's that.

@AfflictedSkuttle

2 жыл бұрын

Grandad Nagash made them 100% cooler

@mattvoll9094

2 жыл бұрын

i think there's also some nurgle bretonnian too but i'm not sure

@makeytgreatagain6256

2 жыл бұрын

@@AfflictedSkuttle I disagree, the flesh eater units look like poop

Wait, how did ancient Bretonnians witness High Elves being awesome in Bretonnia against Chaos when their tribe didn’t move to the area until Sigmar was uniting the tribes of the Old World?

Would have been the faction I played, if I didn't get into the tabletop a year after the end times. Curious to see what the range looks like when the Old World comes back. Hope they amplify the Aurthorian theme.

Bretonnia is one of my favourite factions. Visually and gameplayvise they are great in both total war and 8th/9th edition (dont really know watcha talking about this strange AoS which came after even stranger End Times. Is this some community created mode I am yet to discover?) From the lore point of view i guess it would be really cool to see them as the only good faction. And i mean not "good" because they are part of the Order factions, but really and fully good, trying to save everybody (even scavens). With their main credo being something like "The world is dark place and there is no hope or light in here. Then lets be the light and hope for this world" A truly antinihilistic faction (or if you know some shit about nihilism as phylosophical system - a faction of true nihilists) Their interaction with the other factions in that case should glorious indeed like "Grey prophet our slaves-workers were released by strange people" "Pharaoh some weird humans returned all the treasures to our tomb" " WULFRIC South nation helped us building a W-W-W..." "I am an ELF goddess and you know that. Stop worshipping me!"

This is probably the first video of yours that I've ever completely disagreed with. Not only that, but I feel your points on the topic don't have a lot of strong backing. That being said, I'm looking forward to your next video, as usual. Keep up the good work.

I remember when i was 9 i watched a horse go over backwards and basically shove the saddle horn inside a man. That horse didnt get up, to tear his guts out shot instantly. That may sound extreme, but middle of nowhere. Lot easier to drop it and stabalize rather than trying to clean the masdive damage that couldve happened

Elf-simp bullies other elf-simps for elf-simping too hard

Ahem. Old Brettonia: Chads through and through. The biggest badasses in The Old World. New Brettonia: Virgins, a pisstain on the franchise. The biggest mistake GW would ever make had The End Times not happened. Nobledark Brettonia focused around Heroes striving for a better world when the world itself is collapsing in on them is eons better than Grimdark Brettonia enslaving peasants and treating everyone like dirt. Also, even for how fun it is. Fuck Total Warhammer for continuing to dilute and shit on Brettonia's original core ideals and going full fucking tilt into the stupid peasant slavery.

@eneaceribelli8023

2 жыл бұрын

So kind like the original T'au lore?

@thechazz3230

2 жыл бұрын

@@eneaceribelli8023 no because Old Tau were nothing like Old Brettonia. Old Tau were Noblebright Happy go lucky kids in space who didn't understand how serious 40k is supposed to be. "Lets try to befriend the Orkz. Multiple times. On multiple different worlds. Nothing could go wrong." Something I'm glad later editions changed about their early expansions. They went fom being out of place Mary Sues who are given wins in wars they logically wouldn't win. Wasting all of their cool their potential as a faction. To semi intelligent, by the book, doctrine obsessive Mary Sues given wins in a lot, not all. But a lot of wars they don't really deserve due ro poor writing/authors forgetting how Imperial Ships work(cough Tau ship hiding in a sun when sun dunking is how Imp ships refuel cough.) But at least they earn a good amount of them logically nowadays. Basically becoming Old Ultrasmurfs in a Xenos paintjob. Completely written faction constantly wanked off by GW in the lore so they sell more models even at the cost of storytelling. Old Brettonia was Nobledark. Even with all their positives were still in a situation only partially more stable than the exceeding fragile Empire. Let me list yhen off so you can see how desperate they were. With all their positives and while being a major world power. They had the physically strongest living, non-corrupted Human warriors on the planet in Grail Knights. Had a massive army of regular Knights. Armies of loyal peasants who loved Brettonia, wanted it to flourish and willingly sacrificed themselves instead of being emotionally beaten cannonfodder. Were guided by one of the few truly active Gods on the planet. Had their strongest Knights join a literal Army of Ghost Demi-Gods. And Were lead by a decent government that wasn't just a bunch of inbred noble families. They were still in a far far worse scenario than the old Tau. At least The Tau are isolated from most conflict. Only engaging in war in their outer territory. The Bretts were at war with everything inside and out, and the ones they weren't at war with, besides The Empire. They couldn't really build relations with due to distance or past grievances. They had a troubled history with the dwarfs. Are at War with the Tomb Kings frequently because they thought a Tomb King was an Old Brett King and brought his body home. He then revived, saw he was covered in another culture's religious burial site and murdered his way back then raised an army to attack Brettonia. Are on shaky ground with Estalia and Tilea. Were in constant war with Wood Elves, not just strained relations that sometimes broke out into battles like nowadays. The high elves don't care about them. They had to deal with constant pirate attacks. Were surrounded by some of the largest Beastmen clans and Ork Tribes in the Old World. Were stuck in a nigh endless war with The Skaven and when they turned to their closest, most important ally and rival, The Empire for help. They said The Skaven didn't exist and refused to acknowledge that the wars they had each fought against Skaven existed. Had never properly developed firearms or incendiary weapons past simple Naval cannons(where they're now experts on navel warfare) causing them to have the worst ranged fighting capabilities of any faction meaning they suffer a lot of casualties in any battle against an empire with ranged capabilities. Have to deal with the strongest surviving Vampire Count and Vampire Clan dwelling within their borders hunting their better Knights to test themselves. Said clan also constantly steals the corpses of Grail Knights to create Super Zombies. All of that, and more and they still have to act as The Empire's buffer to the west. Much like how Kislev is their northern buffer and Dwarfs their eastern.

@navilluscire2567

2 жыл бұрын

@@thechazz3230 Warhammer 40k being a serious setting? Are you serious right now? The orks pseudo-krok is literally a play on Margaret Thatcher's name for bloody's sake! The orks themselves are utterly RIDICULOUS, literal football hooligans on steroids in the form of grumpy mushrooms!

@thechazz3230

2 жыл бұрын

@@navilluscire2567 Ghazz being basrd on Margaret Thatcher is literally a debunked myth/meme. The creators of Ghaz came out and said that wasn't their intention back on the 90s. As well, 40K has been a serious setting since 3rd edition. Stop acting like its the goofy nonsensical parody Rogue Trader was. It's disingenuous.

@navilluscire2567

2 жыл бұрын

@@thechazz3230 Even if the whole Margaret Thatcher thing is a myth that STILL doesn't make Warhammer 40k any less of a silly mess of childishly grim humor. Like I said the orcs are a prime example of this, they are literally angry mushrooms that go around fighting everyone because that's their form of entertainment, and have the most STUPID sounding names regardless if they are meant to parody someone's name or not. The way the orcs are presented is to make you laugh in silly joy over their antics. And even then the other factions are batsh*t crazy in a ridiculous way, completely ass-backwards and have committed tomfoolery that wouldn't be out of place in a loony toons show. So no, it is YOU who are being disingenuous in trying to make Warhammer 40k (or really any of the other Warhammer settings) sound any less silly than it is. (or are for the rest) Not saying that their isn't serious stuff in it or that the stories don't engage with heavier themes than (often) honestly warranted BUT to play it completely straight is missing one of the BIGGEST points about the series, it wants US to have fun with it, immature fun because we are all playing with mini figures of roided up goofballs smashing each other with oversized clubs and hammers.

...What, you just don't like Arthurian myth? Or you really DID get your ass kicked by Bretonnia in "Total War."

anything starting with ‘the french’ can’t be good

Honestly, Bretonnia got the shaft in terms of development. Like, they never even got an update past... 5th? 6th? Before AoS? The Empire got all the updates, and eventually their Cavalry just outclassed Bretonnias stuff. Thankfully, The Old World is going to be Brettonia and Kislev centric. Should be good for other BretMains like myself.

As a bretonnian I see absolutely nothing wrong with our society ^^

I've always liked the Bretonnian's just cause horse cavalry is super cool. Their Grail Knights are like super-human warriors which I think is cool especially since they get to drink from the "holy grail" and become absolute warriors. The fact that the Lady is an elf goddess is even better imo and not a bad thing. Elves are sexy as fuck and if you deny wanting an elven waifu you're lying or you're even more disgusting than any Bretonnian. I also think that Louen Leoncour is one of the coolest human characters in the lore, even if he isn't quite as renowned as Karl Franz (who is in a unique position of coolness). Louen is pretty much the strongest single human being on the earth.

Roasting aside, I have always wondered why they don't use rifles and cannons. Guess if you have magically buffed tanks on hooves and your missiles are basically your entire peasantry in their longbow clad sunday-best you don't reaaaally need black powder that bad.

100% agree. In a fantasy setting with so many interesting, unique, creative races, you choose to play as the fucking French? Why. Also very nice use of Sunless Sea OST, it's a banger