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@hysein19881

10 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/lqacycyxg62tZrA.html good afternoon

They only just finished clearing up all the mines and unexploded cluster munitions used in the Falklands conflict, and that was 30 years ago and a _much_ smaller scale conflict.

@tinybatmanname9476

11 ай бұрын

exactly. idk what the goal is with this decision

@ramsoup-ramazan5186

11 ай бұрын

Cluster munitions won’t be a problem much as the huge amounts of mined fields in Ukraine. I don’t think people comprehend how bad the situation with mines is in Ukraine

As a former artilleryman, for clarity I wanted to mention that DPICM is available for 155mm systems and are used with M777's, the system I worked with. I suspect that Ukraine would be receiving the 155mm variants, as they both shoot farther and hold more submunitions.

@FUNKER530

11 ай бұрын

That was described in the video immediately following the 105. Appreciate the extra insight!

@charlesrichardson8635

11 ай бұрын

Was the munition you handled the older, non-self-destruct variant?

@bazilbatlledragon

11 ай бұрын

Ukraine needs Ariel bombs dropped from bomber jets. Along with a hundred or so F16:and F18 jets. The perfect combination..

@LordDrakkon1

11 ай бұрын

@TheRolvaag your artillery service made your hearing capacity bad ill suggest you have a check up on it my guy.

@MrCedimaan

11 ай бұрын

​@@LordDrakkon1 I mean we all know what the VA is gonna say... "we have determand that your hearing loss is not service related"

What an absolutely fantastic video. Facts, plain and simple. I really appreciate this kind of content and coverage.

@FlukeTog

11 ай бұрын

Yea these are great videos. A++

@hysein19881

10 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/lqacycyxg62tZrA.html ❤❤❤

In literally ten minutes I've learnt enough about these munitions to present myself as an authority on the subject in the pub tonight. Nice one Funker 👍 🇺🇦

I'm really appreciating the stream VODS and informational videos. You guys dont BS and help someone who doesnt know military things understand some of the factors of war

@hysein19881

10 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/lqacycyxg62tZrA.html really!

The MLRS is impressive and devastating. Saw them fired at Fort Sill. Insane.

I appreciate videos like this. I would like more of them.

What a fantastic and informative thing you did. Very professional. Thank you.

Artillery rounds that disperse mines would be in the same family of munitions, methinks. These are already being used.

I mean, I back cluster munitions being given to Ukraine, they need to clear the Russian trench lines quickly and this tool (I'm assuming) would do great at that. (Apparently my opinion started its own war down there lmao)

@devingerdes8239

11 ай бұрын

You would be very very correct…. Like a giant claymore cloud floating overhead

@BarsMonster

11 ай бұрын

It is pretty clear there will be no escalation of any kind caused by that. No need to worry or think about it.

@Havox-

11 ай бұрын

@@devingerdes8239 Ya I would think it would cause minor cave ins inside the trenches, some casualties, many injuries.

@devingerdes8239

11 ай бұрын

@@BarsMonster your sarcasm is palpable

@devingerdes8239

11 ай бұрын

@@Havox- well, that is war. It’s not fair or pretty. They could always call the number to surrender so they’re not targeted… otherwise it’s just the cost of war

Japan has Gundams but that's their ace in the sleeve

Wow! Thanks for the info!

Thanks for a clear explanation. I am going to send this to a couple of friends who are interested in accurate information.

"The U.S. Army has announced that it plans to replace all ATACMS missiles with their Long Range Precision Fires (LRPF) missiles beginning in 2018.” Perhaps they plan on sending everything over.

@aposematic8063

11 ай бұрын

to eliminate the evil, why not? Freedom will win. Slava Ukraini!

@mortalz9940

11 ай бұрын

@@aposematic8063 neo nazi ukraine

@Doochos

11 ай бұрын

Sending everything over sounds like a good idea

@billytheweasel

11 ай бұрын

@@Doochos Yesterday already!

@Nizmo718

11 ай бұрын

Until you need the ammunition for a war with China ? US has already depleted its stockpile of 155 rounds

So great of you to take time to do this video on your birthday

@billytheweasel

11 ай бұрын

sooooo THIS is his birthday!

@Victor_Victory

11 ай бұрын

@@billytheweasel no it’s tomorrow

Thanks for the update.

Excellent. Now what about those ATACMS?

The whole battle area is going to have to be de-mined anyway so .... 🤷‍♂

@tobiasc4559

11 ай бұрын

Oh child, try to think for more than half a second before commenting.

@peteparker7396

11 ай бұрын

@@tobiasc4559 heed your own words.

@newone-gd9sk

9 ай бұрын

im sure you would say the same if it was your back yard... why are people so brainwashed?

What's up Ronnie. Hope you had a great 4th 🍻🍻

Thank you for your follow up info

3:58 DPICM stands for Dual-purpose *improved* conventional munition not Dual-purpose *improvised* conventional munition

@FUNKER530

11 ай бұрын

Good catch! Appreciate you.

Ukrainian Drone Army wants to use the cluster munitions for drone use also

IIRC the US invented cluster munitions for use in Artillery during the Korean war to dislodge dug in Chinese soldiers and they worked extremely well.

Excellent report. As always.

The French OGR has a backup time fuse for their artillery submunition also. So tell the French to kick in.

@reubensandwich9249

11 ай бұрын

They signed the treaty, so they can't.

@jamiesachtleben2946

11 ай бұрын

Their cities are getting slapped by protestors and rioters rn, prolly not in any mood to be signing arms deals.

So many red lines have been crossed already so why not?!

@dookiepost

11 ай бұрын

Russia has stepped over every line, including using chemical weapons.

@highphysics3617

11 ай бұрын

Yeah! Why not indeed. Call Putin's idiotic fantasy land bluff regarding red lines. If he can blow up a critical dam,and,not get so much as a wrap over the knuckles,red lines become invalid. Give it to'em,and,give it HARD! No mercy for what they have done,and,ARE CONTINUING TO DO. Go Ukraine🟨🟨🟦🟦

@newone-gd9sk

9 ай бұрын

im sure you would say the same if it was your back yard... why are people so brainwashed?

Good video! Very informative bro!

Appreciate the education. Was wondering what cluster munitions were in conversation with some coworkers.

To be fair the amount of mines that the russians have pumped out, using these munitions at 80/20 split explosive being the higher , I still think the extra clean up time is worth the risk. Great way to hit trenches and build ups quickly and make note of where all clusters were used so the clean up is guided to the square mile.

@surferofthesynthwaves4710

10 ай бұрын

It's because your not paying the risk it's the locals that have to live there after the war. Goof ball

@andriesquast2028

10 ай бұрын

​@@surferofthesynthwaves4710 He is ok with other people dying. Especially citizens.

Good stuff, thanks for the rundown, Ronnie!

Thank you for this information helps me understand better 👍👍

Great video 👍👍 Funker530👊

This is a fantastic deep dive! Would this include the cluster-type munition from the Bradley units already in their units?

@AramisRuRumZ

11 ай бұрын

I don’t think the Bradley is going to be used on the front for a while. Way too many lost over last 3 weeks

@Mortablunt

11 ай бұрын

Другой кушает пил! Один ещё один еще один другой кушает пыл!

@dontcarejustwatchvid

11 ай бұрын

@@AramisRuRumZ I would disagree. Even prigozhin, said the increased Ukrainian losses (Bradleys and leopards) are NORMAL and expected for an offensive and did not indicate anything about the success of the recent offensive.

If you are dropping cluster munitions in an area that is already mined, you're not increasing the post-war burden much.

@dookiepost

11 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, you are right.

@jaybelle1909

11 ай бұрын

Ukr supporters minds can't comprehend your infinite wisdom

@carsonhunt4642

11 ай бұрын

Lol tell that to the civis that died in ukr cities from friendly leftover cluster munitions.

@struvrim7637

9 ай бұрын

but these munitions are used not in minefields, but also in cities, including very large ones, there are already many cases, many civilians have already died because of this

Hey Ronnie, thank you for providing this information. I appreciate it , even though because you’re one of first to announce this ammunition, and description. Thanks buddy GREAT JOB!

Great content. Thanks

The block 1 and 1a would be extremely useful in destroying the Berdyansk and Saki airfields. The Ka-52s are parked in the open in the Berdyansk airfield and the Saki Airbase in Crimea is where their Sukhoi bombers are. Before the Kherson counter offensive, remember when that very airbase exploded?

Very informative. great work.

outstanding educational piece !

I worked on MRLS related work back in the day. They showed us the video on the effectiveness of the M77 submunition and the M26 rocket.... It was terrifying. The M77 can penetrate up to four inches of armor. " The M26 tactical rocket warhead contains 644 M77 dual purpose improved conventional munition submunitions which can be deployed to cover a 0.23 square km area. The average ground pattern of a 12-round ripple, with some overlapping of warhead patterns, varies from about 120,000 to 200,000 square meters, depending upon the range." 644 bomblets from hell.

@billytheweasel

11 ай бұрын

Thanks, and thank you.

@crinklecut3790

11 ай бұрын

Sounds nice but nothing else we sent has worked either so I wouldn’t get my hopes up. If anything, sending these munitions is a sign of desperation.

@jensenms

11 ай бұрын

I recall that our launchers had a bomblet dud rate in the low single digit percentage. At 5%, each rocket would have about 30 dud bomblets. When we fired the full twelve pack then, we'd leave 360 dud bomblets. Recall that the battlefield of Verdun is still finding duds from WWI. I believe those munitions should be used sparingly and only in extremis.

@Salker64

11 ай бұрын

​@@jensenmsI guess the Ukrainians rather have duds bomblets to deal with than live ork terrorists.

@princeosars3298

11 ай бұрын

@crinklecut3790 you funny. Think this an MCU avengers movie where war won in a day.

I honestly thought the use of any kind of cluster munition was banned as theres no guarantee all the munition would explode, meaning 1000's unexploaded bomblets could be scattered everywhere in Ukraine, im sure they dont need that headache after this war is over!

@peteparker7396

11 ай бұрын

Us, (US) Russia, Britain, Germany and France as well as China and a few other are not signatories on the agreement. Besides, Russia has been using them the entire conflict. It’s about time they get to experience how much better ours work. 😎

@PutinIsGay

11 ай бұрын

Let's let them decide shall we

Excellent video ! Thanks 👍!

All I can assume is that the benefits must out way the negatives

This is madness

@carsonhunt4642

11 ай бұрын

War machine rages on🤑

imagine if Ukraine used cluster atrillary when the russian armor was piled up in columns ontthe roads at the start of the war

@dimaprimkulov4570

11 ай бұрын

They’d be on the receiving end of the same thing. I don’t understand how people don’t realize that the Russians literally have an equivalent to any western weapon. If you escalate, I escalate. That’s how this is going and unfortunately for Ukraine there won’t be much left of it after this is done.

@struvrim7637

9 ай бұрын

and it was, but there is a difference - at the beginning, Russia used a very small number of troops with a very large number of armored vehicles, because there were so many personnel Now everything is not so, now the group has become much larger and there is a front, respectively, there are simply no columns that can be ambushed, they are all behind the front Well, Russia has even more cluster ammunition than the United States has (Russia has more artillery and different types of shells, but fewer aircraft, different doctrines). If such ammunition starts to be used, then Russia will simply do the same thing only in much larger quantities. That is why these munitions were not allocated, it would have made the vast territories of Ukraine sown with tens of millions of unexploded submunitions. Now it looks like it will become a reality.

Great video lots of info 👍 👌 😀

But Ruzzo use it in Ukraine...so Ukraine use it again Ruzzo..for fair war.

Learned a lot here. The problem with clusters as it is mentioned is that some stay in the ground for years and is not cleaned up or blows an innocent person's leg off. That's where the banning came from. I guess that more with older cluster bombs, not sure. Can clusters set off mines?

@kani6855

11 ай бұрын

I would think so with all the impacts going off around it that’s what i thought they would use them for

@peteparker7396

11 ай бұрын

You do what you have to to win. These aren’t going to be used for just clearing mines. They are going to be used to clear Russian soldiers. As they are intended for.

@kani6855

11 ай бұрын

@@peteparker7396 mines are more a problem then the soldiers they give up pretty easy mines stop them from pushing hard 😭😭

Cluster would be devastating to Russians they love to stay within 10 meters of each other. This is definitely gonna be interesting. Morale is low definitely gonna be lower when they see a missle burst into a million bombs that explode shotgun slugs in all directions that can kill within 15meters. I mean wow.

@Box545x39

11 ай бұрын

?? The death toll for Ukraine far exceeds Russia, Ukraine is getting very desperate, hence the cluster munitions.

@njswampfox474

11 ай бұрын

​@@Box545x39Great way to clear the mines planted by the terrorist state known as Russia. Great way to eliminate fascist orcs, too. Enjoy your long sleep.

@ericmaclaurin8525

11 ай бұрын

@@Box545x39 🤣 I feel your pain. What's it like watching Ukraine plow through your defensive lines like no one is there? It almost like Mr. Piggy's drive to Moscow. Did you ever read that book? Is it as embarrassing as having to hire mercs to shoot your own troops if they try to run away?

@Box545x39

11 ай бұрын

@@ericmaclaurin8525 Why isn't the front line changing color from all this plowing?

@dgsams

11 ай бұрын

@@Box545x39Where are you getting the numbers? I can't seem to find that or the numbers confirmed anywhere. Can you link me or have the info. for the source i can look up? Id greatly appreciate it!

Thanks Ronnie!

Bomblets *DONT ALWAYS EXPLODE ON IMPACT.* So the cleanup of the bomblets after the war will take a tremendous amount of time.

@billytheweasel

11 ай бұрын

The transfer agreement avoids the 1% limit on unexploded ordinance but still wont be anything close to what Ruzzia has done.

@molotov9

11 ай бұрын

The cleanup from the mines laid by Russia along the defensive lines and the mines laid along the Ukrainian border with Belarus and Russia will likely take longer than anything from these DPICMs. I mean, Russia even booby trapped occupied homes with hand grenades...

At 70, I can say this, if this was Viet Nam we were talking about, I'd say 'No friggin' way!', but this ain't then and with the appalling beast that Ukraine is fighting, I say have at it, give 'em all they need to rid the world of that scourge. Long Live Ukraine

@highphysics3617

11 ай бұрын

Hallelujah! To that.

@jaybelle1909

11 ай бұрын

Rus has been using fire for effect artillery thus multiple guns hitting the same point not cluster munitions... rus isn't using them per its a war crime and would be laying a minefield fir rus troops thus shooting themselves in the foot... all vids of "rus cluster use" all clearly show artillery... 100% no side should use them especially corrupt ukr who we should be bombing ot supporting... I get you never studied the history of this conflict and what's really going on and that's OK but in reality ukr and nato is the bad guys here... this war should be the last straw of us being part of nato

@mattfransen1551

11 ай бұрын

Average CNN viewer. Keep dreaming.

@Mortablunt

11 ай бұрын

Your dad probably battle against fascism, so what did he say to see his son cheering on a genocidal Nazis?

@carsonhunt4642

11 ай бұрын

So napalm and poisoning was cool but u drew the line at cluster munitions back then😂

legend for putting the ad at the end, respect 👍

Thanks that was very well explained

@FUNKER530

11 ай бұрын

You're welcome!

Easiest way to clear mines. Ukraine should already have been provided with cluster munitions, ATACMS, and F-16s.

@jaybelle1909

11 ай бұрын

Also easy way to lay them down so nice thinking

In war rules do not exist.

@LprogressivesANDliberals

11 ай бұрын

All is fair in love and war 💯

@NVDuster

11 ай бұрын

Both sides have broken them already and the ones who will "face justice" for it will be the losers

@artrogue4150

11 ай бұрын

Assuming that means nuclear weapons as well?

@glaxko2

11 ай бұрын

Sure, I mean if you want a forced vacation in the Hague.

@dookiepost

11 ай бұрын

Russia doesn't follow the rules anyways, so why should Ukraine?

Oh Hell yeah. About time. Get some.

Great news!

Is there a possibility way Ukraine could drop cluster munitions on the border, specifically on major supply routes to further hobble and restrict the Russians ability to supply troops at the front?

@rcheezy7501

11 ай бұрын

I don’t think they really have a lot of long range missle systems that can reach that. Maybe they do but I’d think they woulda already been hitting those routes long ago

@captainwin6333

11 ай бұрын

Drop them on your head and miss intelligence by several yards.

@SabbaticusRex

11 ай бұрын

Without artillery I can't see them throwing any munitions very far over-hand baseball style tbh . Maybe once the MIC sends those F-16s they promised for months to never send they can use those for a few days .

@aetius9

11 ай бұрын

It would be largely ineffective. DPICM is designed for temporary interdiction fires, not long-term area denial (hence the self-destruct on newer systems). You might knock out some trucks in one convoy, but the Russians would just clear any UXO and continue unimpeded.

@MattParra15

11 ай бұрын

​@@captainwin6333dang😂

no one gonna talk about how you can lob these over minefields and they'll take out quite a bit of volume making clearing a lane easier since there'll be less active mines per lane? launching a DPICM over minefields drastically reduces the density. also, UXO really isn't gonna be a top priority if they happen to be in a minefield.

@josephpa05

11 ай бұрын

Mines look like a huge problem right now. Have you seen the video of the Ukraines stuck in a minefield?

@tetispinkman9135

11 ай бұрын

​@@josephpa05I mean it is. Any nato army wouldn't do offensive like this without aviation. But a lot of guys expect Ukraine to do it. Ukraine needs either great aircrafts, or a lot a lot of shells, so Ukraine can just do the same trick russia used to capture Severodonetsk-wall of artillery fire

@Box545x39

11 ай бұрын

@@tetispinkman9135 Ukraine lost most their elite military units, hence why they're resorting to borderline illegal munitions now to do much of anything.

@notmyself2533

11 ай бұрын

@@Box545x39Russians are using too . Not because they lost their elite units they been asking for for while . Ukraine needs f16 and or fucking cluster bombs. They expect them to make a hole in enemy lines without enough of the right tools . Who the fuck is deciding what goes to Ukraine needs to be replaced to someone who isn’t so cautious .

@tetispinkman9135

11 ай бұрын

@@Box545x39 yes, Ukraine did lose them, the same as russia lost their best. And what is legal? Every country has different laws. But the thing is neither Russia, neither Ukraine or US believe those rounds are illegal. And bruh, For Ukraine it's illegal, but russia ALREADY uses them. And you have no problem with it. Because it's not about legalness. You are just imperialist, who supports fascist russia

"these little bastards are tungsten balls of death" is the best description I've ever heard. 🤣

They are being used against them already the talk of contamination of their lands doesn't apply in that aspect now

@jaybelle1909

11 ай бұрын

No not the same type... rus isn't using clusters per it like laying landmines to kill/mame your own forces... of all the clips shown during a claim of rus using clusters it was clearly evident that it was fire for effect artillery not clusters thus multiple artillery firing at the same spot

@OWI___d

11 ай бұрын

@@jaybelle1909 The fact is it's still those weapons

@struvrim7637

9 ай бұрын

Russia uses negligible amounts. Russia has so many stocks of cluster ammunition that it would allow switching from conventional shells to cluster ones and firing artillery around the clock, as at the beginning of the war for at least a year. And it should be taken into account that now artillery is working in conjunction with drones, that is, you can estimate the losses of Ukraine in such a scenario. This in itself and also the consequences are not at all the same as from occasional uses. From my point of view, pandona's box was opened, it was a big mistake

@OWI___d

9 ай бұрын

@@struvrim7637 Harm is already done. Much worse antipersonnel mines are being used. If these weapons help more so be it. Pandora's box was opened long time ago

What if find interesting is that many of the same people who have pushed hard to eliminate cluster munitions from the US inventory and oppose their use pushed for the US to send them to Ukraine. While I'd rather we didn't send weapons to either side if we are going to it doesn't really make sense to limit what we send arbitrarily.

@ericmaclaurin8525

11 ай бұрын

People not wanting cluster bombs in our arsenals is very understandable when you see how they've been abused. It's equally understandable that any country defending itself from an invasion would want them. It only crosses the line when they are being dumped on another country and left for the locals to deal with. Using them to stop a zombie horde from stealing your children is like feeding your family. It shouldn't even be mentioned with leaving millions in a jungle knowing you will never clean them up. I other words - It's not that the documents are classified. It's that they were hidden, shared, probably sold to our enemies & not retuned when request & demanded.

@newone-gd9sk

9 ай бұрын

cringe

@DeplorableBitterClinger

9 ай бұрын

@@newone-gd9sk how so?

@newone-gd9sk

9 ай бұрын

How does it not make sense to limit what we send arbitrarily@@DeplorableBitterClinger

I have no issues with Ukraine using cluster munitions.

@techtical7079

11 ай бұрын

@@Combatdocumented They're not, as they don't have them.

Peace

About time, Russia has been using them since the start of the war

@marioceva7163

11 ай бұрын

No

@radiack123

11 ай бұрын

@@marioceva7163 Yes

@jaybelle1909

11 ай бұрын

​@@radiack123 fire for effect artillery thus multiple guns hitting the same point not cluster munitions... rys isn't using them per its a war crime and would be laying a minefield fir rus troops thus shooting themselves in the foot... all vids of "rus cluster use" all clearly show artillery

@newone-gd9sk

9 ай бұрын

source? Your ass?

It's a problem when I do it🇷🇺👈 But it's OK when they do it🇺🇸👈 🤦🏿

@MORE_BEANS_PLZ

11 ай бұрын

Bruh what? Both are hypocrites just say you love to suck putins 🍆 and move on 😂😂

@freeassange5667

11 ай бұрын

But... Russia bad...

@dookiepost

11 ай бұрын

@@freeassange5667 Indeed, Russia is an imperialist horde of rapists and bandits.

@sibusisotshabalala3662

11 ай бұрын

@@freeassange5667 your name is free Assange but yet you support America and it's European puppets 😅😅😂man you can't make this stuff up 🤦🏽‍♂️

@freeassange5667

11 ай бұрын

@@sibusisotshabalala3662 my comment was intended to be parody 😅 not literal. I certainly do not support the U.S. & their puppets.

I like how all of the demo videos for these weapons were filmed on betamax but they are still 30 years younger than what Russia is fielding. Thanks for taking time to cover this, Ronnie, and happy birthday.

@Jreb1865

11 ай бұрын

Ok, that's what the problem was. I thought I was going blind...

What about those glider bombs? Can they be filled with cluster munitions?

Damn that is good news, 🤞 i hope it happens. Slava Ukraini

@Mortablunt

11 ай бұрын

Better brush up on your civilized Slavic language, Nazi lover!

@adolfdyversiti6517

11 ай бұрын

I bet,you don't have any idea where is Ukraine,or find on the map. You can't write"Ukraini" Typical processed food eater,indoctrinated,lazy fat American moron....

@newone-gd9sk

9 ай бұрын

im sure you would say the same if it was your back yard... why are people so brainwashed?

@Aussie_T

9 ай бұрын

@@newone-gd9sk what are you talking about.

My Squadron was denied the use of cluster munitions mines during the Battle of Tora Bora in 2001. So UKRAINE is more important that killing Bin Laden

@DisinformationAgent

11 ай бұрын

Sorry you feel bitter about being sent on a wild goose chase by your country at the behest of Israel and Saudi Arabia. Maybe you should voice your concern at who matters instead of taking it out at a small country that was robbed of its protections by your country.

@artnull13

11 ай бұрын

Survival of an entire country vs a rag wearing Quran fetishist living in Pakistan Yes Ukraine is far more important than you. I suspect the closest you got to Tora Bora was playing Xbox

@to4316

11 ай бұрын

@@DisinformationAgent How is he "taking it out at a small country"? He wrote a youtube comment...

@bryanwiedeman3154

11 ай бұрын

@@DisinformationAgent No drama...If you don't want anyone to point out that that Major Tom Greer was denied the use of cluster type munitions mines after 3300 Americans were slaughtered and now it's cool, I will let everyone I know that you are upset.

@artnull13

11 ай бұрын

@@bryanwiedeman3154except for Greer admitted you idiots relied too much on the Afghan army - made them fight during Ramadan and you didn’t guard or monitor the Pakistan border. Sounds like you fucked up and instead of maning up to your mistake decided to blame the whole failure of not getting bin laden on not being able to use GATOR cluster mines. Better learn your 7 P’s What was the real reason the other NATO members didn’t want you to use cluster munitions? The funny thing is Greer also states that he thought he killed bin laden in a cave and calling an air strike down on it, afterwards no doubt he was whooping, patting your back and giving you the reach around whilst you tugged each other off. How many Ukrainians have died in this war > 100,000 the majority murdered civilians buddy

Great intel!

Not worth it.

@dookiepost

11 ай бұрын

Absolutely worth it. We have to help rid Ukraine of the imperialist Russian rapist-bandits somehow.

@Lockdown335

11 ай бұрын

To you.... because your family isnt in danger.....

Cluster bombs were a stupid weapon to delay. The issue with these is more about a bunch being left on enemy soil. A country using it on it's own land to survive against an enemy using everything from thermobaric weapons to torture chambers has absolutely zero moral reason to be denied. Those even help clear minefields. Suffering by an invading army isn't a bad thing.

@jaybelle1909

11 ай бұрын

It's an f'ing war crime thus why it wasn't given before... they kill/mame more civilians post war than enemy forces during war... they clearly but also lay mines so what are you on about... it's also well known nato and corrupt ukr caused the war not rus... you don't have to be pro rus to find this out.. we in US if anything should be bombing corrupt ukr not supporting it especially after all of ukr war crimes during and before this war sides from causing it in the first place

@Mortablunt

11 ай бұрын

Ukraine would be thrilled to use these weapons in Donbas. You see the Kiev regume and its supporters from central and western Ukraine don’t see their countrymen in the east as Ukrainian, they don’t even see them as human. So they were to suffer and die for decades to come from unexploded ordinance, infesting, their land and cities, that would make their Nazi loving hearts so so happy. Zero effort, lingering genocide.

I was initially very supportive of Ukraine defending its sovereignty. I became less supportive when they instituted the anti democratic policy of conscription ( just like Russia did, no surprise there) and, as much as I dislike Israel’s conscription program they apply it equally whereas Ukraine only applied it to men. That they are accepting and using/ going to use munitions like this that a big part of the world condemns puts them even more on morally questionable footing and as the support for Ukraine was already becoming an issue here in the States I would imagine that many more moves like this may result in a big effort of the American people to cut off support for Ukraine.

Crazy war. If you told me a year ago that we were giving ukraine cluster bombs and F16s, i wouldn’t have believed you. At this point, i’m very curious what we’ll be giving them 6 months from now.

🔥 content as always

Thanks to America for supporting Ukraine in the fight for freedom and independence.🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦

@Mortablunt

11 ай бұрын

What freedom? The opposition was not allowed to run last election, and then all those parties were banned and leaders jailed. And now all elections have been suspended permanently. You are not allowed to speak Russian in public under very real threat of immediate violence by state sponsored Nazi thugs. Nobody wants to take away Reichkraine’s independence. All the people of Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk want is to be able to vote on where they live, because the Kiev government has murdered them when they dare protest for being treated like shit for such a petty complaints, like being shot down in the streets for speaking their own language. They just want to hold a simple vote on whether or not to stay in Ukraine. It’s called democracy and it’s a fundamental Western value. Stop committing genocide and hold a few elections that’s it.

@nobodyherepal3292

11 ай бұрын

@@Mortabluntstop invading another country because they don’t want to be your punching bag in an abusive relationship, Ruskie.

@johnrambo6265

11 ай бұрын

Hahaha.. they don't give a fuk about Ukraine.. just using you to fight their war

@newone-gd9sk

9 ай бұрын

cringe

It's not pronounced dee pic um. It's D P I C M Former Marine Artillery Officer...

DPICM IS NOT DEEPICKEM..... STOP, 13f retired here.

WooHoo! Now the US needs to give them ATACAMS!

@Mortablunt

11 ай бұрын

Did you ever see one of those hospital shows where the doctors spend all episode desperately, trying to save a patient who was clearly walking dead at best when they came in on the ambulance with the breathing pump and the IV? And now they’re coming up with some kind of psychotic improvised, tracheotomy and primitive cryogenic methods, to somehow put them in a coma, to basically hack the body into not dying after having exhausted all the normal tools, medicines, and every last bit of reserve blood? Yeah, that’s the US with Ukraine. Time to give it up, Doc, other patients in the hospital.

@newone-gd9sk

9 ай бұрын

im sure you would say the same if it was your back yard... why are people so brainwashed?

I get the problem with there being a danger of unexpded ordinance to Ukrainians, but I'm sure they would probably prefer unexploded ordinance on the ground, than Russian troops actively pillaging their cities, towns and villages. Regardless of how harm comes to anyone in Ukraine, all the fault lays at the feet of Putin and those who support him, or give him comfort in anyway.

@dont-want-no-wrench

11 ай бұрын

russian are already using this shit- and yes, ukraine is going to be scarred for a very long time, it will take another major effort to clear ordnance

@jaybelle1909

11 ай бұрын

How so? It's blatantly obvious corrupt ukr and nato/us officials caused this war not rus... rus tried to prevent it and tried several times for it to end but ukr turned all chances down thus deserves to get taken over side all the war crimes they committed that out numbers rus... so how is any of this rus /putin fault? Ww in the 🇺🇸 should be bombing corrupt ukr not supporting it

@Mortablunt

11 ай бұрын

Any proof of the Russians pillaging or is it just from the Talking Heads on the news media to get their shit from the Ukrainians who are only allowed to speak state approved propaganda? you know the same people who told you about the ghost of Kyiv, who never existed. Or what about Lyudmila Denisova who came up with fantastical stories of mass raped by Russians that never happened? Or what about the mayor of Mariupil who used psychic vision to see what was going on in an encircled city He was hundreds of miles away from that had no telecommunications? Or what about the guy who claimed two nights ago it was definitely the night according to so-called captured phone calls Russia was going to blow up the nuclear plant? Nazis lie.

@struvrim7637

9 ай бұрын

Well, if you blew up your capital with a thermonuclear bomb because there are hostile troops, then you cannot put all the blame on these troops. It's the same with other types of weapons, there is a limit to when this argument can be used. Cluster munitions out of scope due to catastrophic future consequences

Ask : Who has the greater supply & delivery system ?

I remember in BNCOC call for fire class asking for DPICBM instead of DPICM hihihihi. A little over kill.

Weird how we can give them to Ukraine to defend themselves from the Russia but we wouldn't use them to defend our troops in Iraq or Afghanistan.

@vivobarakat

11 ай бұрын

The difference was our troops in Iraq or Afghanistan were not defending themselves against an organized army in a battle fields. Those groups attacking the US marines were integrated within the civilians. Russia has used such clusters on many cities in Syria, the fatalities and destruction were beyond belief.

@tetispinkman9135

11 ай бұрын

Cool. Did you give apaches to Ukraine? Because it's so strange for you to say that, when US was using literally everything there

@bryanwiedeman3154

11 ай бұрын

2001 Battle of Tora Bora A Squadron was denied the use of Cluster minefield munitions even though the mission was to kill Bin Laden post America's jumping too their death rather then burn alive on 911

@ericmaclaurin8525

11 ай бұрын

Weird how you can't see the difference between dumping millions of tiny bombs in another country and dumping them in your own country.

@Lockdown335

11 ай бұрын

Thats the weirdest take hahaha just looking for a negative angle

These politicians need to be stopped. Evil.

@dookiepost

11 ай бұрын

Stop the Russian "politicians" who are waging this unjustified imperialist invasion? Yes, you are right, they need to be stopped, they are evil.

Clear facts without any bull.

Thats my concern with all these munitions. No matter who wins the war people will still be dying from it decades later with all these unexploded mines and bombs. Can you imagine being afraid to plant wheat in a field because it might explode? A lot of people wont have to imagine.

russia uses them why not Ukraine, all is fair in war . . . if the US were invaded, we sure as hell would use them. the American people would demand it.

@marioceva7163

11 ай бұрын

Russia do not use yet.

@Doochos

11 ай бұрын

​@@marioceva7163untrue. both russia ams Ukraine have used cluster bombs. there are multiple sources for this

@choctaw2sticks193

11 ай бұрын

@@marioceva7163 oh yes they have

@marioceva7163

11 ай бұрын

I do mot see any source any new about Russia using c.b.

@Doochos

11 ай бұрын

@marioceva7163 I just googled it and there are multiple news articles about Russian and Ukranian uses of cluster bombs. it takes seconds to research it.

Great news ..Onwards and upwards Ukraine..🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦💪💪👌

Get it to Ukraine. Get’er done.

@Mortablunt

11 ай бұрын

Did you ever see one of those hospital shows where the doctors spend all episode desperately, trying to save a patient who was clearly walking dead at best when they came in on the ambulance with the breathing pump and the IV? And now they’re coming up with some kind of psychotic improvised, tracheotomy and primitive cryogenic methods, to somehow put them in a coma, to basically hack the body into not dying after having exhausted all the normal tools, medicines, and every last bit of reserve blood? Yeah, that’s the US with Ukraine. Time to give it up, Doc, other patients in the hospital.

@nole8923

11 ай бұрын

@@nobodyherepal3292 I meant get the weapons to Ukraine. Give them everything they need so they can win. What did you think I meant?

@nobodyherepal3292

11 ай бұрын

@@nole8923 woops, I replied to the wrong comment

Man, this is quite a dilemma!🤔

hmmm... are we the baddies, yet?

Let Russia clear the minefields in Ukraine with their mobilized soldiers after Ukraine wins the war. On another note, anyone who knows, how effective would cluster munitions be in clearing mines. Too costly? Ineffective?

@jaybelle1909

11 ай бұрын

Mostlikely ineffective per it lays mines thus why they are labeled as a war crime and why rus hasn't used theirs

@johnrambo6265

11 ай бұрын

They win ..... hahahaha .. what drugs u on ??

How many square kilometres can clusters get ?

They have to find mines to clean up,so I guess they can clean those up also.

I heard a point someone else raised that I thinks key: Ukraine would be the one using cluster munitions with the risk they bring post war. It would be Ukraine leaving unexploded ordnance in the ground and their populous getting maimed and killed etc by it. It would be them doing it to themselves. So if they want to make that choice for themselves we can let them have the option. This is assuming they eventually win. So morally it’s a bit different to versus a country dropping cluster munitions on another country and then leaving them with decades of their children getting killed and maimed from bombs left all over the place.

@carsonhunt4642

11 ай бұрын

You thinking the ppl above you give a single shit about you is naive and sad.

@struvrim7637

9 ай бұрын

where cluster munitions are used, the least loyal population of the current government lives, I think that’s why Ukrainian politicians are not worried about the consequences These cluster munitions have already been used in major cities, there are already civilian dead who stepped on them

Bad move. Now Russ will feel justified to dump all the unused CMs stacked in Rostov just waiting for some justification. Now, no one will be outraged when this happens. We can’t do nothing but watch the idea fairies sprinkle their pixie dust over this conflict.

@Box545x39

11 ай бұрын

This is a slaughter by design, it doesn't matter who dies on either side, the puppet masters really don't care.

@nathan-ls8yw

11 ай бұрын

with your view we should just send ukraine wp shells since russia has already use incendiary munitions

@robertbrown3359

11 ай бұрын

Russ is already using cluster and thermobaric bombs.

@artnull13

11 ай бұрын

@@nathan-ls8ywhis view at the beginning was ‘bad move Ukraine in resisting’ - seems they’ve done pretty well with fairy’s pixie dust though. He’s the sort of pacifist who’d rather live like a dog than have any backbone.

@Abandon_All_Hope

11 ай бұрын

It’s war both sides already using wtv they have on hand. I don’t believe for a second Ukraine hasn’t fired any CM to date.. Most of it isn’t recorded bc the target ceased to exist.

LOL whoa i think this might be the first time ive seen that artillery/rocket truck take an air burst and then go "CALL AN AMBULANCE! BUT NOT FOR ME!" and then immediately fire a rocket back