Its not just AFL. Its the elite class of society, they run with a different set of rules to most of society.

@andrewkerr5296

Ай бұрын

lol why do you follow 'ThE rUlEz'?

@reubs91

Ай бұрын

100% true.

@metal.head.

Ай бұрын

100% elites and corporates can do as they please

@mendocinobeano

Ай бұрын

"they run with a different set of rules" So what else is new? It's been that way since time immemorial. It’s funny that people think there is some secret group of rich people that control everything instead of the widely known group of rich people who openly control everything.

@danielradd111

Ай бұрын

Yeah just ask Julian assange

Clayton oliver must have been on a massive bender over summer.

@jonniezodiac

Ай бұрын

LMAO that's what I was thinking with that big gap for a "hamstring injury" last year

@binks7988

Ай бұрын

😂

To hear the AFL mouthpiece try and defend a secret drug testing system unknown to at least one club CEO is laughable

If i get tested at work with drugs in my system id be fired.

@Jazzanaught

Ай бұрын

Caffeine is a drug and a scary amount of people rely on it for the bare minimum.

I've been working at a nightclub in Melb for 7 years now and I've lost count the amount of AFL players i have seen getting on it during the season lol surprisped this just came up now.

LMFAO! How is this a 'Bombshell', fans have known about this for years how dumb does the Media think we are?

@jaci_mac23

Ай бұрын

Thank you!! I was yelling this...

bombers lost everything without a positive test

@azzajames7661

Ай бұрын

They were busted, and there were positive samples, which was proven. ergo, they got suspended, so move on, mate😒

@joshuasadler9243

Ай бұрын

The AFL and the bombers also got caught colluding and shredding all their documents when investigators where paying a visit.

@Killa-Kawalski

Ай бұрын

Good call. Bombers where crucified for absolutely nothing. Now players like Oliver can cover up a fabricated injury with his Methstring..

@andrewkerr5296

Ай бұрын

@@Killa-Kawalski Who cares about Illicit drugs

@ProudNewDad2023

Ай бұрын

Jobe admitted to taking a banned substance

It's all just crushed anti inflammatories! Case closed.

@jaredburgess8381

Ай бұрын

😂

@SuedeBoy69

Ай бұрын

What a laugh that was. Cover up at its most obvious. Just legalise it and save us all the bullshit.

@antonalbo

Ай бұрын

right - legalize drugs that kill kids at Raves and Festivals... great insight and advice there pal..@@SuedeBoy69

I think people are missing the point on this. It isnt about preventing someone doing drugs on the weekend. Thats clearly under the medical model. The issue people have is, that a player who would tests positive for a performance enhancing drug (cocaine) is flagged by the AFL prior to going on the field under the banner of "patient privacy" to avoid the player being banned under the PED code. If a player breaches the anti doping code, punt them out of the comp. The AFL shouldnt be endorsing avoiding the drug code if they had any integrity.

Let's have everybody in the entertainment industry, every copper, politician,everybody undergo drug tests before they clock on. That won't happen.

Australia needs to come to grips with the fact that a huge proportion of society wants recreational drugs to be legal. It’s slowly happening in the rest of the world, why are we not discussing it here!?

@timmcgrath8030

Ай бұрын

cos we only do what the US tells us too

@andrewkerr5296

Ай бұрын

Because Boomers Also the usual Tall Poppy BS. 'I don't like/can't do Illicit Drugs, so you can't'

@patale1676

Ай бұрын

I agree however, a majority pro footballers don’t even drink during the season let alone doing drugs. I think they are different matters, holidays sure but not when they are meant to be operating at elite levels.

@Magooch86

Ай бұрын

@@patale1676 I highly doubt the majority of players abstain from drinking, would love to see your source for that one

@chris4824

Ай бұрын

If you need recreational drugs to get through life you need to figure it out that's fucking pathetic.

As long as they are not using performance enhancers who cares

@andrewkerr5296

Ай бұрын

The Boomers care though because they are 'iLlEgAlZ'

@user-pk1sw2mi6q

Ай бұрын

100%

@andrewkerr5296

Ай бұрын

Boomers care lol

@joshuasadler9243

Ай бұрын

Maybe because the AFL pretend to be moral arbitures of society. They are constantly sitting on their self righteous moral high horse while behind the scenes they encourage ridiculous poor culture. How can players sue the AFL for brain damage when they are constantly on heavy drugs that definitely won't stop after they finish their careers.

@antonalbo

Ай бұрын

Coke and MDMA and most illcitit drugs are considered performance enhancing mate.. whats the difference?

BOMBSHELL! 😆 The AFL media insults the intelligence of the common person on a minute by minute basis.

Swans have been doing it with Buddy for years

@jaredburgess8381

Ай бұрын

Source?

@lukenoble8613

Ай бұрын

It's a well known thing with him. The afl covered his ass. It wasn't coke either. The information is out there. It leaks.

@azzajames7661

Ай бұрын

​@jaredburgess8381 from his drug dealers 😂🤣

@mendocinobeano

Ай бұрын

Careful, that's a pretty serious allegation to make without providing anything to back it up.

@antonalbo

Ай бұрын

Are you F'ing kidding me?? Franklin was the biggest coke fiend even when playing at the Hawks - you obviously arent from Melbourne - everyone knew...@@mendocinobeano

Disband the afl and start a new competition. Back to the old rules of the 1980s

@TheAlmightyClipse

Ай бұрын

Yeah just call it the VFL

Gee, no one knew! Australia's most open secret

simple solution - any injured player must have a compulsory drug test

if an average bloke gets tested at work after a long weekend that turns back a positive result then they lose their job on the spot. rules for thee but nor for meeeee. double standards for days.

@nklin6

Ай бұрын

I work in a job where i can get fired for a failed drug test but i couldn't give a SHIT if a footballer does illicit drugs

Sponsors are the main issue here, they rely on positive exposure, it's all about the money and appearance of integrity, not genuine integrity... that many guys who live in the fast lane in front of the cameras and of that age, this isn't a bombshell... the bombshell is the extent in which the AFL went to hide it, subvert genuine legal testing processes, and betting is an interesting consideration, that's where the law resides in this anyway, but how do you explain this to the young audience...

I'm not sure how they do it any other way at the moment as cocaine usage is so incredibly prevalent in Australia now. I think they're making too much out of this (drug culture) being specifically an AFL problem, it's everywhere and has been for a long time. If you're going to prevent people from playing because of recreational cocaine use, then half the league will be out on the reg. It's realistically just the players that are doing a bump on game-day that we should be punishing.

Overblown no doubt but 'rested' now takes on a whole new meaning 😅

Makes me (lower class) proud that I don' t need drugs to have fun. Shows that money just isnt the answer.

@Alby911

Ай бұрын

It is the most overrated thing to do, especially cocaine given how expensive it is in Australia

@Jack-gn4gl

Ай бұрын

So you do know alcohol is a drug

@and__lam1152

Ай бұрын

As is work-aholicism

Sounds like a win-win solution.

Legalise recreational drugs. The end.

Mine sites offer 'off the books' opportunities to test oneself before entering a site and losing a days pay if they so choose. Getting caught on site with illicit substances in urine where there are harsher penalties is much worse.

@and__lam1152

Ай бұрын

Speaking from 15+ years of resource sector experience ... the whole industry runs on uppers and downers. I've never failed a pisser

Sam Edmund doing a good job on behalf of AFL.

Mate, young man with lots of money, itvwont change, this is the right way its none of our business if its not performance enhancing. Wonder if Tim would want his kid outed instead of helped

@mattr1563

Ай бұрын

The point is potentially taking government money under false pretences and covering up/hiding results. Drugs especially coke are fairly common these days that’s absolutely true but that’s not the problem or issue here or why this is a story.

@andrewkerr5296

Ай бұрын

@@mattr1563 The Government shouldn't be getting involved

@zatgeye7320

Ай бұрын

i have a drug policy with my employer.

@andrewkerr5296

Ай бұрын

@@Stannas95 You should be sacked for that opinion.

@andrewkerr5296

Ай бұрын

@@zatgeye7320 And? I don't have one with my employer & it's none of his Business if I do coke Go find another Employer if you don't like it

it was commonly known when buddy missed the finals due to personal reasons back in like 2018, it was to deal with his coke addiction.

Oh , shock , Horror , there’s drugs in sports !

As an AFL supporter these players should be held to the same level that the rest of society is and not be given special treatment. AFL players are paid very handsomely compared to the average Australian wage and should be held to a higher standard rather than hide behind mental illness and secrecy. In most jobs for the average Australian, if you rock up to work on iIicit substances and are caught usually your contract will be terminated - that's no secret. The AFL and AFLPA need to revisit the drugs policy and really should introduce a no strike policy and no excuses. Footballers have a short period of time to be successful, if you chose to bring the game into disrepute, the club and your teammates and not be professional then your contract should be terminated simple as that. Stop using mental health and confidentiality as a cover for poor behaviour and lack of self control. Standards need to be higher that's for sure.

@MrWhitmen1981

Ай бұрын

Most jobs are not 11 years at best being injury free.

How do these supposed professional AFL comentators not know the way the elicit drugs programme works, but I do. It is fairly common knowledge (if you were paying attention when it was introduced) that a player testing positive for illicit drugs is kept private between the player and the club physicians (as it should) with a view to rectify the players behaviour and take care of their health without ruining their reputation/career due to a single possitive test. By treating the issue as one of health and welbeing until a "third strike" allows players to not be "hung" for one mistake, and also to recover/rehabilitate in the instance of an ongoing issue in private. This to me, seems like a sensible system that errs on the side of caution and player welfare (the performance enhancing drugs policy of WADA is an entirely seperate issue, to what is currently, supposedly, a "bombshell" - maybe only to the clueless media). Cheers!

This is not new

@samsmith1689

Ай бұрын

I thought this was common knowledge, they protect the players till it becomes a problem

@ThatHoodlum19

Ай бұрын

Agreed.

@PetraKann

Ай бұрын

@@samsmith1689 What ever happened to adults taking responsibility for their actions and decisions? They are protected because the game’s fake reputation, image and big $$$$$ is more important.

@jaredburgess8381

Ай бұрын

​@@PetraKann Adults take responsibility for their actions but they don't have medical issues - and illicit drug use is one of them - broadcast to the world.

Just asking ... So .. only Melbourne based club players use this medical centre?

‘Mental health’

Isn't Drug possession illegal??

If there was a random drug test at your workplace and you had an illegal drug in your system...

The amount of people getting on their moral high horse thinking elite athletes actually give a flying into what you think 😂 - Don’t like it, don’t buy a membership, don’t go to games, don’t watch on television.

@nathand4500

Ай бұрын

No one is asking whether they give a flying.

@andrewkerr5296

Ай бұрын

But the 'MuH dRuGz ArE IlLeGaLZ'

@joshuasadler9243

Ай бұрын

When the AFL are on their moral high horse for every social issues ever and they are the self proclaimed moral arbitures maybe they should do and demand better.

@andrewkerr5296

Ай бұрын

@@joshuasadler9243 They do it because Virtue Signalling sells & the plebs love it. It's a response to Australias tall poppy culture

@joshuasadler9243

Ай бұрын

@@andrewkerr5296 well you can't have it both ways and the AFL desperately want it both ways. Proper criticisms and a lack of trust and Faith in the AFL is only natural. They should lose sponsors and government funding. Pies lost sponsor's for players bad off field behaviour back in the day. This is a level above that.

surely the mental and physical health and behaviour of the player IS Club business - to have a system which means certain information on players who are under contract by Football clubs is considered hidden or classified by the Club Doctor and the AFL is bizarre... no wonder drug use is rampant within society and AFL - Doctors and the AFL are running a protection racquet on the players behalf!!!

Why is this only news now?

No wonder West Coast always have injuries. Joel Smith always injured.

What type of drugs are we talking about here

We have a social cultural addiction pandemic and the AFL is just part of the pandemic. We need to stop punishing the players and introduce consequences and disciplines not ruin a gifted players opportunity.

This hilarious!! Journos want to get their grubby hands on this information to use players for big stories ..we all know how this goes "players are role models" .." the public deserves to know !" ..bullshit ,no one needs to know except a few people at their club

C'mon man, they used to have ciggies at half time and tinnies in the rooms after the game 😆

@IpmanRAZU

Ай бұрын

Imagine the cocaine and meth speckys

No roadside test for coke either.

@brendanproud

Ай бұрын

Coke is in and out of your system in 24 hours i believe. Could be wrong

@timmcgrath8030

Ай бұрын

Or ketamine

And finally we start hearing some truths. What season was it when Lance Franklin missed half the season and finals for mental health reasons? Yeah right, I'm sure John Longmire was fine with that reason.

if the afl just followed wada had no illicit drug policy this would not be an issue

@andrewkerr5296

Ай бұрын

Go one better, just do what American Sports are doing. Leave WADA all together & not testing or just do your own testing

Watson should worry about his own club.

@antonalbo

Ай бұрын

After the Supplements saga - Dons players are likely the cleanest of the bunch...

So what? Who gives a toss?

So this is why my Geelong Cats had so many injuries last year after winning the flag the year before??

Interesting the Doc gets sacked you Pert couple of days after he voiced his concern. This is all part of the Bartlett issue with Pert.

People are calling up and texting saying they dont like that people take drugs? Wtf are you on about Watson?

@andrewkerr5296

Ай бұрын

lol probably Boomers, the y the only ones who still listen to Radio

This isn’t new but for Edmond to say they take drugs who cares is an odd take to have

I understand the medical model and actually, I'm a supporter of it, but IM not a supporter of lying to fans and saying that players are injured when actually they not injured. This is not gonna go away and sponsors. Have a right to be putting money into the game and the integrity of the competition is now compromi. Don't see how the game can survive. If i'm a parent of a young thirteen or fourteen year old i'm not letting my kid play footy

@jaredburgess8381

Ай бұрын

Don't talk nonsense! You don't see how the game can survive through a handful of players having their drug abuse behaviour managed discreetly by medical professionals rather than splashed over the media?

@nevvanclarke9225

Ай бұрын

@@jaredburgess8381 handful..you’re kidding yourself ..lol

@joshuasadler9243

Ай бұрын

​@@jaredburgess8381yeah promoting a bad culture isn't going to enhance the drug problem they already have😂 the AFL can't have it both ways and pretend to be the moral arbitures sitting on their self righteous high horse and then proceed getting caught out doing conduct like this behind closed doors. There is deeper issues than even this. They are fighting to protect the brain and yet you can rattle your brain with drug use your whole career. Make it makes sense.

Why did Willie Rioli get years then? Seems awfully sus haha

@Steve-jx3mh

Ай бұрын

Caught on match day wasnt he? Same as Smith.

@Bob-Talks

Ай бұрын

Rioli publicly admitted to having smoked marijuana with other club members the night before his drug test, and attempted to swap his tainted urine with a clean sample in a Gatorade bottle.[4] He was subsequently issued with an indefinite suspension from the AFL, and ruled out from competing with the West Coast Eagles in that year's Finals series. Rioli was so stupid, he got suspended for being a moron.

@eponymous7910

Ай бұрын

Tampered with a sample. Also weed ain't performance enhancing 😴

@joshuasadler9243

Ай бұрын

​@@eponymous7910it kinda is because it helps your muscles recover quicker so you can train more.

Been doing it for years,only code that doesnt reveal drug test🤫And apparently no gay players🤔

@Bob-Talks

Ай бұрын

The AFL, the only code where players have to be straight choirboys, or they're not recruited lmao.

How come Rioli from the Eagles got suspended for pot?

@Alby911

Ай бұрын

Rioli got done for tampering urine samples

How on earth does someone play an afl game with something like amphetamines in your system??? That is just dangerous with the amount of running they do.

@andrewkerr5296

Ай бұрын

LMFAO You ever taken Pre-workout bud?

@martyngraham1025

Ай бұрын

@@andrewkerr5296 haha yeh used to have pre workout years ago. Afl players would not be having that much caffeine before a game though surely. But in any case that's still different to having something like meth in your system though mate.

MORE PLAYERS THAN NOT GET ON IT LOL. Do you really think all the pies players after the granny last year weren’t chewing their gums for the rest of the weekend and instead went out to a cafe to have a coffee’s and cake

@belongda6032

Ай бұрын

Just because it is rampant, it doesn't mean it is right. Does your boss let you take drugs at work? Would you lose your job ? or would your boss hide your drug activity?

@Buubbba

Ай бұрын

@@belongda6032 I agree mate if im honest. Kids look up to these guys. With the way society is heading normalising drugs and social media its only going to get worse. Players who take selfies with a bag and send selfies shouldn’t be playing footy and need to go back to vcal

@andrewkerr5296

Ай бұрын

@@Buubbba Champ you seriously bringing up, 'WhAt aBoUtZ tHe KiDz' Society don't give 2 stuffs about the Kids lol, Parents pump them full of drugs to get them through School LOL

@Buubbba

Ай бұрын

@@andrewkerr5296 Idk how your family raised you but im pretty sure thats not normal

The Bombers did not need testing as they admitted to use of a sympathomimetic agent to enhance performance. As a doctor, I can assure you all excitatory drugs permanently stress the valves in the cardiac system. The consequences of the latter may not manifest until later years. Players need to be better educated about the irrevesible damage to the heart. They will not want to get puffed out climbing stairs at age 40.

@Alby911

Ай бұрын

You're not a doctor, bro; searching Google doesn't make you any more qualified than the rest of us

@TheBinaryWolf

Ай бұрын

@@Alby911I understand you are a leftist, and immune to fact. So nothing on earth is going to enlighten you. But I am a doctor, and have as much right as you have to render an opinion. If you disagree then do so...no need to make silly statements about my profession.

@Alby911

Ай бұрын

Your profile page is a dead giveaway. You are not a doctor - so stop pretending to be something you're not. @@TheBinaryWolf

@TheBinaryWolf

Ай бұрын

@@Alby911 After retiring as a musician, I graduated from Calgrad, earning a Ph.D. and did my internship in a methadone detoxification unit. I was a state examiner for addictions professionals and ran a group an IP group in a dual Dx unit. Among my interests was NT Greek translation. My specialty remains autoimmune disorders. Let it go, bro. We are merely offering our 2 cents' worth.

@Alby911

Ай бұрын

LMAO. Did you ask GPT to write that out@@TheBinaryWolf

The AFL media are incredibly naive when it comes to drugs in footy. All the players are doing it, especially in the off season. In 2008 my room mate worked with a guy who would supply all the crows players in the off season. The ratio of players doing drugs vs those who aren’t would be 75:25. They’re human beings, stop treating them like children in a year 8 health class, stop treating the public like children in a year 8 health class.

Nothing wrong with this… clubs shouldn’t try benefit the AFL or other clubs by snitching

Buddy Franklin in Sydney was often missing in action without reason. It was widely known that he was on two strikes - infringed - was given a pass because he was too valuable a commodity. The media was complicit and still is. Stop pretending this is a bombshell🙄

@daytrader1708

Ай бұрын

Mental health was given as a reason for a short break

@joshuasadler9243

Ай бұрын

​@@daytrader1708we all knew it was drugs.

The AFL protects drug addicts, as a business it needs to be helping players with drug issues not giving them an avenue around it. Im starting to wonder now as a dockers supporter because we always have injuries thar grow from 1 week, to 4, to 8 into the season, sean darcy right nows a great example.

This is keystone cops stuff, so players are suspended from playing because they have taken drugs, so therefore why are not being suspended for it? Melbourne Footballer Joel Smith is being suspended but the players whom have taken drugs are not? What is the difference? And again it's Mr do nothing Richard Goyder. This guy pops up making blunders everywhere.

The reporter trying to blindly take the afl’s side, gets asked a legitimate question by Tim re: shouldn’t sydney know re: unwritten policy which is exactly what the reporter just said and then he gets flustered. Not sure who the ‘reporter’ is but absolutely pathetic. Your job is to report, not editorialise. If there is an agreement in place as he suggested then all clubs would know about it. So then, either Harley is lying or the AFL.

Everyone does recreational drugs, my bloody parents do it. All my mates do it.

@azzajames7661

Ай бұрын

No, they don't! You are surrounded by muppets😉

@dragon13304

Ай бұрын

​@@azzajames7661 80% of people I know have done it or do it regularly. I'm mates with a lot of Bartenders 😂

@Alby911

Ай бұрын

You're completely missing the point in all this, AFL protecting players from getting caught by Wada is what's at play. Everyone can agree that recreational drug use is widespread, but doesn't mean that it should ever be accepted

Shades of West Coast

Must be a painfully slow news week for this to be dredged back up with a sensationalist headline attached. There's nothing that has been revealed here that wasn't publicly broadcast ten of fifteen years ago.

@Alby911

Ай бұрын

The bot farms are well and truly out in force today 🤡

Now let's see how clubs cop what essendon copped not one I bet .

@azzajames7661

Ай бұрын

No other club is that moronic🤔

The AFL Crucified Ben, and yet he never tested positive, honestly you do know its ilegal to take drugs so why aren't they getting charged.

@Magooch86

Ай бұрын

Didn't he jump in a ditch to swim from the police? 😄

@carlotatonetti392

Ай бұрын

@Magooch86 Yes, he did, but with Ben, he was hung out to dry by the AFL for all to see scapegoat. Melbourne players have been protected by the AFL drug policy and kept secret.

@NathanM-bu1pq

Ай бұрын

@@Magooch86 It was the Swan River, and it’s massive and he still managed to swim across it, he was so off his head.

Players just self report and do drugs when ever they want. Only industry to be supported this well in taking coke mid week. Wonder why everyone thinks Dee's have major issues. Also says why Oliver doesn't play for months last year

Are the AFL seriously going to, with a straight face, suggest that covering up, illicit drug use by their players, ensuring that clubs both do not find out about it, and those individuals are unable to get the help. They actually need was the right thing to do? This is so far beyond the realm of acceptable conduct by an organisation it is actually absurd. I think the state and federal governments have an obligation to immediately pull any and all funding allocated by them to the AFL.

@jaredburgess8381

Ай бұрын

Who said anything about stopping the players getting help? This entire model is about allowing the players to get help discreetly rather than splashing it all over the media. Club doctors are clued in on the players results precisely so they can be treated.

@joshuasadler9243

Ай бұрын

​@@jaredburgess8381yeah they are helping the players by promoting drug abuse and a drug culture. They cover up your mess and give you a pat on the back. Another issue is there's zero transparency. You don't have to throw players under the bus but to be caught out lying and in a conspiracy like this at least have the data to show this amount of players have done it once. This amount of players reoffended and it's helped this amount of players through their issues. But they don't. It's no wonder bomber Thompson was a drug trafficker and the AFL have been found out to be in a couple of cover ups over the years. Makes you wonder what else is going on behind closed doors.

So Mitch Duncan was a having a baby??? Likely story he was Rollin up Notes doing lines lol😅 nah but you can see what I did there....stamp out drugs zero tolerance and send a definite message to the community as a whole.

BoycotttheAFL!!!

As a Essendon supporter "This stinks beyond belief" 👟🏉 💊

AFL is rigged. But serious ban the players on drugs.

They tested positive for bullshit(ting everyone) though. Listen to the hot mic stuff and get back to me

Meh

Will the AFL: - PR spin this to a positive thing - Deny allegations - Admit fault

Everyone does illicit drugs including the 3 guys talking here. Who gives a shit

AFL can not DUCK this. Anti inflammatories are an issue

Been a coke culture for decades now lol

What substances players use, provided they are not 'performance enhancing' is nobody else's business. They all talk about having a beer after the game, training etc, alcohol being the worst drug on the planet and it's all good. The hypocricy in all of this is staggering.

@azzajames7661

Ай бұрын

All BS!

@ProudNewDad2023

Ай бұрын

The issue is less about having a beer, and more that cocaine is a banned substance if it's caught in your system when you are playing. I.e., if you test positive for cocaine on Matchday, and you weren't flagged, you'd be in breach of the drug code, so by pulling players of prior to a match, they are circumventing the drug code.

@Alby911

Ай бұрын

It's staggering that you truly don't understand what is happening. So you condone the AFL protecting players so they don't get caught by Wada? Drug use is a disease and should never ever be accepted