Me on my way to the pizza place to talk about minecraft (there are 151 people there and i’m going to be arrested by microsoft)

@clarfonthey

10 ай бұрын

You're not even safe if a group of zero people go to that pizza place, since it still could be approximately 150

@cowking2870

10 ай бұрын

Oh God theres no hope for you left

@awesomebot8674

10 ай бұрын

rip

@Creep-queen

10 ай бұрын

lol

@antigoni1250

10 ай бұрын

They said *approximately*. It’ll *probably* be fine.

It seems they confused "commercial use" with public use. Even then, it's a bit weird.

@DaTimmeh

10 ай бұрын

Definitely should’ve called it public use. I think they just wanted to leave no wiggle room, for better or for worse. I truly don’t know how to feel about that specific part, as I do like clear lines (too much wishy washy stuff with things like youtube guidelines and others). But this is just such a weird place to do so. It’s not like there’s a huge gray area between commercial and non commercial use.

@als_pals

10 ай бұрын

It's always about the money.

@zampoloo

10 ай бұрын

Nobody can use Minecraft to sell a product. That's all it's saying Alot of people are misreading all this and immediately getting fired up about it, it's not that severe guys chill!

@Reineerus_The_Rat

10 ай бұрын

​@@zampolooBad take. It directly talks about servers and videos, not just products.

@ToyKeeper

10 ай бұрын

Minecraft - A Game Managed By Wankers. This comment violates 5 clauses of the official Minecraft usage policies. It's pretty messed up. Even just saying the word "Minecraft" near other people constitutes "commercial use" and requires adding an approved disclaimer.

To me, nothing "harms the brand" more than these new guidelines.

@happythedino9436

10 ай бұрын

Oml so true

@introvertednerd968

10 ай бұрын

never before have truer words been spoken

@Muhahahahaz

10 ай бұрын

The guidelines hurt themselves in confusion!

@olixx1213

10 ай бұрын

People really need to stop overreacting Most of these were in the previous EULA , just in a different form

This trend of not companies nor allowing adult spaces to exist is so annoying. Even when I was a kid I understood that adults needed kid-free zones just as much as kids needed adult-free zones. They’re doing this mostly cause kids are easy to profit from and because parents complain about their kids finding adult content and blame the company instead of them not monitoring their children.

@PotatoOnASpork

10 ай бұрын

TV parenting is back

@key1526

10 ай бұрын

Yeah and they literally could have an option to make your server 18+, and have parental controls on the accounts of minors. What the hell even is this for? Who?????

@samtheepic9433

10 ай бұрын

I hope they add age restricting servers. What age would 2b2t be?

@No-longer1

10 ай бұрын

Or just honest to god, teach your child to talk to you about any upsetting or questionable material they find on the internet, or teach them what to do once they encounter it. I'm not a particular fan of parental controls because let's face it, it’s going to be severly misused for abuse or to limit the child's worldviews under the guise of protecting them.

@sunwukongtive

10 ай бұрын

@@No-longer1 Or h*cked through by the kid. I was one of the kids who knew how to surpass parental controls. 😂 But honestly, I'm in agreement with OP. There should be adult-free zones for kids and teens. All of this that's going on is... Woof. A yikes.

The only thing that's "harming the Minecraft brand" are these guidelines

@sir_slimestone3797

10 ай бұрын

Mojang: "We don't need you to harm our brand, we're perfectly capable of doing that ourselves"

@Definitly-not-Omegon

10 ай бұрын

that, and the tonnes of microtransactions

@Irish_Enderman

10 ай бұрын

So true

@randomperson8375

10 ай бұрын

gotta love it when big companies are all like "if we don't like you then we can take away your rights"

@Kilzer_OG

10 ай бұрын

@@randomperson8375 I mean when it all comes down to it it’s their game and even though it’s a stupid decision they probably aren’t going to change it

this is crazy. i hope there’s a loud enough backlash for them to pay attention and to prevent this from becoming the norm.

@charlix3

10 ай бұрын

This is literally the norm.

@dampseeker

10 ай бұрын

crazy? i agree

@Grimnoire

10 ай бұрын

Crazy? Rats.... We're the rats! We stalk at night we hunt at night... We're the rats!!!!

@NicoTheCinderace

10 ай бұрын

@@charlix3 And given the fact that Mojang saw the pushback for the chat report and ignored it, I suspect that this may just be the beginning of the end for Minecraft.

@gaygator6069

10 ай бұрын

they 100% wont care like how they forced everyone into having a chat filter even tho no one wanted it and everyone hated/hates it :p

“Here’s a couple of examples to help you: *Complimenting the staff (we’re okay with this) *Being mean to the staff (we will sue you)”

@zixvirzjghamn737

10 ай бұрын

Well that sounds good to me.

@ARM0RP0WER

10 ай бұрын

the staff of mojang are good the staff of microsoft are just micro and soft

Not sure why Microsoft isn't just going ahead and making 13 the maximum age a Minecraft player is allowed to be before having their account deleted.

@Thesakuraharona

10 ай бұрын

Ah yes! Go the way of chucky cheese! If you are not X age or have a child directly related to you at X age (with you), then you are outright banned from even entering the building. Sounds like something Microsoft would do. I think that is B.S., if they want to protect children so badly, then maybe they should force accounts below age 18 to only see and participate in specific child friendly servers (i.e., microsoft/mojang pony up and host child only servers and only make them only accessible to those accounts. Period.). Then, once they are 18 they are legally adults and done. Fair game for the rest of us. I know they won't ever do this and it is not hard for children to just lie and say they are adults (I used to do it too), so clearly there would be issues with that too.

@techpriest2854

10 ай бұрын

money, its easy to exploit children for profit

Something similar to this happened to d&d a while ago and they were promptly criticized, threatened to be sued and the TTRPG community came out much better from that while it was silently reworked to a much better set of rules

@edmundthearchwizard

10 ай бұрын

Yeah I was gonna say this as well

@TheMrAmras

10 ай бұрын

That's exactly the same. Also the same with blizzard with warcraft 3, where every mod you make are legally blizzard's property, not your.

@jacknguyen5220

10 ай бұрын

wow that's insane, good on the TTRPG community.

@stacklysm

10 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, no individual or group has the power to do that to Microsoft/Mojang

@jacobesterson

10 ай бұрын

@@stacklysm You're wrong. Is there a single person who could and would influence Microsoft/Mojang? Probably not. But companies only care about money, so consumers have ultimate power as a group. If there's massive backlash, a company will almost always back down. The issue comes with generating enough backlash.

Hey, did you know what also could be considered “not suitable for all ages”? Minecraft. It’s E 10+ after all.

@RadiantSharaShaymin

10 ай бұрын

Well, it's "at their discretion", and they want paychecks, so they couldn't possibly ban the game from... itself. (Although I wouldn't be surprised if they found a way-)

@shibadawn

10 ай бұрын

Also, you know. KZread is 13+. Most social media is.

@samtheepic9433

10 ай бұрын

Minecraft Java Edition has more mature, creative and funny communities.

@Kittencop20

10 ай бұрын

in europe its a little different, minecraft is pegi 7, meaning minecraft is for 7+

@RemedieX

10 ай бұрын

​@@Kittencop20 That's cool, didn't know that. Still not suitable for all ages with that rating though. I played video games at 4 and up

I really appreciate you talking about how adult spaces should have the ability to explore adult topics and content. When the global chat moderation was announced, a ton of people seemed to treat the provisions against adult content as reasonable, and that really frustrated me. I am an adult. I play games and spend time with other adults. I shouldn't have to pretend that there's a random child hanging around and censor myself accordingly.

@CrystalLily1302

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, the death of adult spaces online is horrible, there needs to be places where adults can exist and freely discuss adult topics. But companies want kids and adults together in every space because it makes it easier to profit

@niicespiice

10 ай бұрын

even as a teenager it's fustrating - most of my friends swear and/or say things that are generally inappropriate for kids, and as someone who wants to own a server, i don't want to ban the discussion of mildly controversial topics because Microsoft Says It's Bad For 9-Year-Olds. glad we still have the ability to not require chat reporting on servers, but i wonder if that right will ever be revoked someday.

@bugsmith9751

10 ай бұрын

@@CrystalLily1302 EXCUSE ME! talking about adult spaces is an adult topic! you cant talk about adult topics here, this is the internet!

@imveryangryitsnotbutter

10 ай бұрын

@@bugsmith9751 Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room!

@wakomikro

10 ай бұрын

It's the death of adulthood. Many act like kids and never grow up. They think they have a right to not get their feelings hurt or their beliefs challenged. So, the entire world is expected to sanitize, shut up and fall in line or they are labeled racist, homophobic, and treated like a criminal. This is why they treat us all like children because emotional children are running the company. They can't handle dissent, challenges to their bullying that you must confirm and comform the "newest ideology" as your own.

The audacity they have to tell us not to hurt the Minecraft brand while literally doing so with these guidelines is insane

Microsoft trying not to destroy minecraft challenge:

@justcallmenych7275

10 ай бұрын

difficulty impossible

@yigao9637

10 ай бұрын

impossible 100% fail not clickbait

@YourLocalNobody420

10 ай бұрын

(Impossible)

@azhei_4332

10 ай бұрын

Ditto for the Halo franchise

@Eurasian_

10 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure this is mojang with a screw loose, Microsoft isn't able to do shit this draconic and especially not with that "hip" style of writing and catering for this absolute garbage fire of guidelines.

they can literally revoke your right to create content about minecraft if you disagree with a decision mojang made and criticise it, also I love that you just copied and pasted the example disclaimer without changing it in your description, great way to subtly stick it to them

@ayaanrashedin3315

10 ай бұрын

Yeah but they’re not gonna do that. If they did everyone would be mad. The line is in there so they can take down stupid things like nfts not to take down criticism

@fireb0rn

10 ай бұрын

@@ayaanrashedin3315 This is an irrational level of trust in a corporation lol

@ayaanrashedin3315

10 ай бұрын

I also think it’s non enforceable. Fair use is a thing they can’t just say “We don’t like this we’re taking it down” because of general copyright laws

@fireb0rn

10 ай бұрын

@@ayaanrashedin3315 I mean, Nintendo takes things down and it's probably not legal

@NarestWhal

10 ай бұрын

​@@fireb0rnthis is just the 1.19.84 update part 2 (1.19.2 added the chat reporting and censorship and has started to gain that nickname which is perfect)

You literally are restricted on how many handcrafted items you can make down to an exact amount even if it’s your own original design. Not to mention that they basically said all of this is arbitrary if they decide they don’t like something. This is like WOTC with D&D all over again.

@ASpaceOstrich

10 ай бұрын

I mean, that makes sense. its never been legal to make merch for someone elses IP. People are so used to leniency in this regard that they've mistaken it for legality. You can't legally sell minecraft themed products. Hell, you can't even legally make them for free. Copyright doesn't care about whether you're making money off of something or not.

@bestaround3323

10 ай бұрын

​@@ASpaceOstrichCopyright is BS

@ch3rryp0ptart89

10 ай бұрын

@@ASpaceOstrich how then do companies like redbubble then sell stickers and other products with different video games and other fandoms? It’s not illegal, especially if its not being sold as “official merchandise “

@ch3rryp0ptart89

10 ай бұрын

@@ASpaceOstrich copyright has a ton of grey area when it comes to originality (edit: undoing autocorrection)

@chri-k

10 ай бұрын

@@ASpaceOstrich The idea of “intellectual property” as it is currently understood can go F itself

I remember when the Minecraft Trailer said the lines "There are no rules, you can do wathever you want"... Damn, times have changed.

@bugsmith9751

10 ай бұрын

that old trailer was pretty good, but damn if only mojang took their own advice

@LunaTulpa

10 ай бұрын

i don't think that's what it literally meant, if that was the case, miencraft for free wouldn't have been taken down

@bugsmith9751

10 ай бұрын

@@LunaTulpa by no rules, they clearly meant nothing to restrict how you play... but now they have rules that can bar a mute player from just enjoying the game on twitch if they are monetized

@LunaTulpa

10 ай бұрын

@@bugsmith9751 they've restricted NFTs/crypto in the past, and almost certainly put limits on how people play or what kinda of servers can be run before my point is that it was almost certainly just a marketing blurb about it being a sandbox game, not meant to be taken literally

@bugsmith9751

10 ай бұрын

@@LunaTulpa just because they have, doesnt mean they should continue to restrict how people are allowed to have fun

12:36 "Renting a convention center, charging admission and inviting vendors to sell products with a Minecraft theme (we're not cool with this)" ...did they just say they weren't cool with Minecon?

@delta3244

10 ай бұрын

I don't think so, I think MineCon is fine in consideration of everything Microsoft listed, but I'd need to know more about it than I do to say for sure. That said, as I'm sure you would say, it doesn't really matter whether MineCon itself is fine or not. The point is that these guidelines condem things that are good for the community at no cost to Microsoft (including things similar to MineCon), which is dumb.

@randomperson8375

10 ай бұрын

they're only cool with that kinda stuff if they're the ones who get to profit

@ksdragona_5583

10 ай бұрын

I think there was a section like "if you want to do that, ask how to become a Minecraft Partner," so I'm assuming if they ever do a MineCon again it'd be "Official, Sponsored, Sanctioned, and Brand Safe." But they've shifted toward alternatives like Minecraft Live over the last few years

@lomiification

10 ай бұрын

They're not cool with you running a minecon competitor

@introvertednerd968

10 ай бұрын

yeah, these are the kind of people you see in movies, ya know, steriotpyical bosses, only here it's real.

The thing is this would never hold up in court with how it's written, but they've so much money that suing them wouldn't be feasible for most content creator. And they know that!

@WalkThrough_101

10 ай бұрын

They can make it a class action lawsuit if enough creators get behind it, that might be more feasible.

@RRRR-jr1gp

10 ай бұрын

I mean many minecraft youtubers have a diamond play button and are probably multi-millionaires. Mojang (and microsoft wouldn't spend all its resources on their funny haha game) may be a multi-billion dollar company, but unless they hire every lawyer there's diminish returns to that

@AnnieN99

10 ай бұрын

@@RRRR-jr1gp KZreadrs don't make as much as you think 🤔

@ETXAlienRobot201

10 ай бұрын

@@WalkThrough_101 there's also a certain organization that especially loves handing the asses of corporations and governments alike back to them on a silver platter, the EFF... ofc, they're a bit pre-occupied atm dealing with governments. but yeh, this outrageous enough to be legally challenged, especially as a class-action...

@wildblack1

10 ай бұрын

It isn't a legal document though. It is ment to inform you of when they are or are not ok with what you are doing. They have a lot of jusisdiction over what people do with their copyright, so a lot of stuff people do in minecraft is violating their copyright and they are telling you when they will or wont enforce it.

Even the examples that they give for things that are suitable for all ages are vague. Does a minigame focused on shooting people count as "violent"? If so, even Hypixel falls under this category which is completely stupid.

@Kitsune_Chara_CG

10 ай бұрын

Pls not minecraft its a game Millions upon Millions hold very close to their heart I rlly hope they dont go down the nintendo road and fight their fans for no real reason

@LynnLyns

10 ай бұрын

So, SkyWars is an illegal game for Mojang cuz the Kids are on fights and the game has War on it's name?

@randomperson8375

10 ай бұрын

I guess every server is just gonna have to be skyblock and farming simulator now

@dragonslayer3552

10 ай бұрын

Well you are already not allowed to make a mod or map with guns in it so you know....

@Nikola_M

10 ай бұрын

Also, you shoot bows and crossbows. Minecraft itself would be violating it

Every single Minecraft world is randomly generated, and every single thing you do is unique to you and can't be replicated perfectly. Therefore, every Minecraft video with footage of Minecraft is completely unique.

@9nikolai

10 ай бұрын

To me, that part seemed like just a really stupid way of saying "don't just steal other people's gameplay videos"

@CoronileZr

10 ай бұрын

​@@9nikolaiexactly what I thinking

@leego2474

10 ай бұрын

you can copy a seed and play on the 'same world', like set seed speedruns do. they'd still be unique, tho microsoft might have stuff to complain about (shade at microsoft not you sorry)

@Marius-J

10 ай бұрын

Minecraft speedrunners on the same seed: Am I a joke to you?

@crookycumbles

10 ай бұрын

That's because they aren't saying you can't record video without commentary. They are saying you can't take other people's video and add nothing to it and upload it, specifically they are probably protecting their own game play in this regard.

Something amazing about the servers and hosting guidelines is that I’m pretty sure there was a crucial grammar mistake. I quote: “All servers, entitlements, and advertising are suitable for all ages (for example gambling, pornography, violence, terrorism, explicit lyrics, or other unsafe/mature content) The list of naughty things are all examples of what is “suitable for all ages”.

@RadiantSharaShaymin

10 ай бұрын

That's how I read it too, but I misinterpret stuff all the time and thought I was being dumb. Now we know that Microsoft is "cool with" running lottery and terrorist servers for kids!

@zixvirzjghamn737

10 ай бұрын

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@JamesMadisonsSpiritAnimal

10 ай бұрын

​@@zixvirzjghamn737either spam or political lol

@Muhahahahaz

10 ай бұрын

That’s hilarious, I didn’t notice 😂

@LilacMonarch

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the clarification micro$oft, time to add porn to my all ages server

I totally get wanting videos of games to be transformative for fair use, but Minecraft, down to its bare essentials, is going to be a unique experience every time. It isn't like God of War or Persona where the game is extremely story driven or cinematic where every video made from it will have the exact same cutscenes and very similar gameplay. Minecraft is built upon its procedural world generation and lack of direct story. You have to go out of your way to make an experience that is the same as someone elses in Minecraft. And even if you gave a hundred people the same seed to play on, they'd all do different things in the game because Minecraft has no singular play experience. It is a sandbox that allows people to have something new everytime they come back to it. How the hell do you try to define what is a "transformative" work with a sandbox game? Because in my mind that's either going to include everything or nothing, and I'd rather it be everything.

@kveller555

10 ай бұрын

With the exception of walking sims or other games seriously lacking in the gameplay department, even footage of linear experiences should be considered fair use, at least in my eyes. Most of the fun you get from games is from the interactive aspect, something you obviously won't get through a video.

@bogger3k

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, no... Just playing the game is generally not considered fair use at all.

It's crazy that this EULA for Minecraft comes out so close to when Guinness World Records starts copyrighting creators for using their logo in the thumbnail of the video. I know big corporations were always bad but when did everyone running them become idiots.

@introvertednerd968

10 ай бұрын

yeah, guys these are the kind of people you see in movies, ya know, steriotpyical bosses, only here it's real.

@delta3244

10 ай бұрын

And both these things aren't far off from when Hasbro went insane and created controversy after controversy for themselves! (said controversies being generally making investors upset, followed by MtG 30, followed by OGL 1.1).

@xeroprotagonist

10 ай бұрын

When did Microsoft executives become idiots who'd do something like this? Only about 40 years ago

@persiancarpet5535

10 ай бұрын

@@delta3244 they also called the pinkertons on someone because of a packaging error on their part.

@delta3244

10 ай бұрын

@@persiancarpet5535 Oh yeah right, that too. How have they made so many bad PR moves in a row that I _forgot_ one of them?! Thank you for remembering.

Can't wait to watch Philza CraftMine compete in Championship for Miners and Crafters 🙃

@darthmauve

10 ай бұрын

championship for cave game fans

@smoxthybweh

10 ай бұрын

It would be hilarious if all the big minecraft KZreadrs started playing knock off games instead 💀💀

@Sassaparilla

10 ай бұрын

@@smoxthybweh THE TOTAL MINER UPRISING IS HERE

The "not having servers harm the brand" thing sticks out to me, since most big servers are already doing a very good job of harming the Minecraft brand by haveing pay-to-win gambling lootboxes aimed at _children._ I feel like everyone who isn't in power of rating these things claims that that stuff should not be exposed to kids because they don't understand how much money they're wasting. Has MC done anything at all to prevent these from happening? Well, if they are, they're doing a darn terrible job at it. While I do like minecraft, I do have a negative opinion on the online aspect of the game for this express purpose, if they want a positive image of the brand they aren't doing a good job at it and these guidelines only make things worse.

@bobertastic6541

10 ай бұрын

Notice how nothing about loot boxes was mentioned :/

@HumanoidDerpling

10 ай бұрын

Compare this to how well Re-Logic is handling their game. They have more love and passion for the game now than even Notch had during those times.

@bobertastic6541

10 ай бұрын

@@HumanoidDerpling probably cause they are an indie company not owned by a billion dollar corporate that only cares about what the stockholders want

@kveller555

10 ай бұрын

@@HumanoidDerpling That's in big part due to the fact that, while Re-Logic as a team has grown substantially since the early days, it's still an indie studio that even has the devs themselves play together to playtest. On the other hand, Minecraft has grown to such an unfathomable size that it's now owned by fucking Microsoft of all things. It was just a matter of time.

@blakksheep736

10 ай бұрын

Well that can't be their intention, or they would have just said so.

Microsoft saw Hasbro make a fool of themselves and wanted to jump headlong into the same fire, I guess. For what it's worth on the (paraphrased) "so long as it's reasonable for you to make money on it" point, you having copyright in your builds but not the individual blocks has been a central part of this game's ToS/EULA for a long time, so sharing builds falls into that category of things one can make money on assuming Microsoft is reasonable.¹ ¹note that everything has the "assuming Microsoft is reasonable" caveat now that they say they can revoke anything they grant on the basis of (paraphrased, but literally correct) "not liking you," assuming they've done the legal work required.

@tOM-po1gg

10 ай бұрын

Oh no what happened to my boy Chris cocks CEO of hasbro

@DaTimmeh

10 ай бұрын

Your last sentence made me think of mojang deciding whether they (legally) like you or not. Just a room full of lawyers arguing whether the legally better choice is liking you, or disliking you.

@broreallysad

10 ай бұрын

Microsoft pulled a nintendo

@HumanoidDerpling

10 ай бұрын

*Mojang.

For several years, there was a streamer named ImGosu that streamed league of legends with 0 commentary, no facecam, no anything. It was all about raw gameplay and skill. If something like this was allowed to be a precedent for gaming companies, then content creators like him would be shut down instantly. I really hope our content creators take a stand against what Mojang is doing, so we don't ever see a world where this is a reality.

@thnecromaniac

7 ай бұрын

More likely this is Microsoft forcing these rules on mojang

14:00 This is a game where you can shoot arrows into people and they stay there stuck in them, and they’re prohibiting violence now lol. I know they mean gore/graphic violence, but where the line is drawn between cartoon/not and what is too far is entirely up to interpretation.

@samtheepic9433

10 ай бұрын

They probably want more medieval violence with swords, bows, shields, crossbows and armor.

The phrase "Why is Minecraft deciding to be the next Nintendo" really hit hard

@IschmarVI

10 ай бұрын

nah, nintendo is still far worse. Their guidelines are funny though, as they basically come down to "we may allow you to use our copyrighted material if we believe that it does make us money. Otherwise, we will feel free to randomly DMCA-strike you without prior warning" - because they don't actually allow you to use your content AT ALL. They just make it SOUND like they do, but they don't. They are literally "all rights reserved". That said, I do like the Nintendo analogy because it certainly feels a bit like that, for sure.

@zixvirzjghamn737

10 ай бұрын

following that same Nintendo analogy, Nintendo has a history of growing and shrinking, with strictness increasing or decreasing accordingly. Source: I heard it somewhere.

@commenterthatcomments835

7 ай бұрын

@@IschmarVI you do realise that the guidelines a company adopts cannot increase the scope of their IP rights. And yes, as long as the use of their IP doesn't make them money or bothers them in some way they have the right to strike/take down the content or pursue legal action. That is just how big the scope of IP rights is.

its so funny to me that Minecraft was the 1st video game to set the precedent of- "you can use our game to create content" and other games just followed , but now Mincraft is setting the exact oposite precedent.

every corporation on the planet must be competing to see which one can destroy itself first. I swear that's the only explanation I have at this point

@JamesMadisonsSpiritAnimal

10 ай бұрын

Google ESG and Blackrock, the 4th secret branch of the US gov. Blackrock and vanguard are to blame. They have acted as a loophole to monopolies via the stock market and have begun a process of unified economic colonization of all meaningful corporate entities utilizing The World economic Forum as it's guidelines. Once you understand globalization and it's economics literally all this stuff makes sense.

@iceblaster1252

10 ай бұрын

Capitalism brain hitting hars

*I like how Microsoft is writing this as though they're your hip freshman year RA trying to relate and fit in with the kids while also laying down "rules" that are the lamest, most corporate, anti-fun BS they could come up with. Like, if you're going to screw us like adults, at least talk to us like adults*

The best part is that he actually put the disclaimer in the description.

@RadiantSharaShaymin

10 ай бұрын

Just hoping his video title doesn't offend the guidelines writers, "Minecraft" seems pretty primary in this one

You would think, after what happened to DnD's creator contract revisions last year these companies would know better...

@Shalakor

10 ай бұрын

Actually, that was this year. I know, so much garbage has happened that it feels like a longer scale of time, but it isn't. WotC/Hasbro did have other controversies already going on prior to this year, though, so that may have also added to your misconception.

if i had a nickel for every gaming company that gave a middle finger to their fanbase this week i'd have three nickels, which isn't weird but it's sad it happened thrice.

@TsukuyomiMizuki

10 ай бұрын

What was the other one? I live under a rock, sorry

@apkhbmbgamlkbh1531

10 ай бұрын

@@TsukuyomiMizuki Rockstar Games being lazy as ever and releasing a port of Red Dead Redemption for $50 for Ps4 and Switch.

@wrath7756

10 ай бұрын

@@apkhbmbgamlkbh1531 that makes 3 then because i was talking about bungie lol

"We're cool with this" gives off "how do you do fellow kids" vibes

@RadiantSharaShaymin

10 ай бұрын

It also sounds very unofficial, which doesn't quite make much sense for a... *legal terms document*

@Halberds8122

10 ай бұрын

@@RadiantSharaShaymin sounds like the minecraft devs created it while being held at gunpoint

Microsoft has been asking for a reality check for a while now. Let's give them one.

Hearing firrb0rn talk about something other than hollow knight is trippy

Microsoft should just sue themselves at this point for *harming the brand* with these absolutely ridiculous guidelines

Someone at Microsoft saw the whole Wizards of the Coast desaster and was like "that looks great, we need to try this too!"

I like the video and think most of it is accurate, but I think there's a slight misunderstanding during the naming guidelines. What I personally interpret it as is that the Primary title can't be solely the word "Minecraft", but it can still include it somewhere in the title.

@fireb0rn

10 ай бұрын

Gotcha, I appreciate the correction. Yeah, that makes a little more sense.

@fireb0rn

10 ай бұрын

Althoooough I will say that I commonly use that title format for Hollow Knight, i.e. Hollow Knight - Speedrunner vs. Hunters or whatever. So it's still a little unfortunate.

@najawin8348

10 ай бұрын

Minecraft - how I learned to stop worrying and love the b*mb.

@finlay9260

10 ай бұрын

My understanding is that if you want to include "Minecraft" in your title or name, it can only be in the second part (following a colon, dash, etc), not in the first "main" part.

@starman2995

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for that explanation. I was thinking that it would be impossible to title videos "Minecraft Let's Play Episode X" now, your interpretation does allow it (and seems more accurate).

Hoo boy, this one came straight outta left field. Why would they bother changing them now of all times? Why would they purposefully choose to self-destruct like this? It barely even makes sense.

@AnAverageGamer18

10 ай бұрын

They probably plan on doing some legal work in the future (they reinforcing the deletion of all the firearm/harmful mods is a example) so they are covering their bases. The reality is that a big demographic of the game is kids so they really don't care about the guidelines so maybe they think that it's not that big of a hit to the demographic? Idk just trying to reason it.

@Gandalf_the_White

10 ай бұрын

@@AnAverageGamer18 If they seriously don't understand just how big of a demographic ISN'T kids, then they haven't been paying attention at all during all of these years

@AnAverageGamer18

10 ай бұрын

@@Gandalf_the_White I mean you're right but, realistically speaking, how much of the people who play Minecraft idk everyday will actually boycott/ do something about Microsoft being abusive?

@Gandalf_the_White

10 ай бұрын

@AnAverageGamer18 Guess it just depends on how publicly shamed the new rules are. People in real life may not be able to ever agree on anything, but I've seen the internet band together on a few occasions. Not that it ever usually has any effect.

@introvertednerd968

10 ай бұрын

...and the winner of the dumbest decisons by a company goes to, mojang/microsoft!

Its not written like a TOS agreement. Its essentially just a mouth piece talking. Wizards tried this first. It seems like history will repeat until there will be none left to repeat it.

@delta3244

10 ай бұрын

This isn't an agreement, so it makes sense it isn't in legalese.

I usually don’t like to jump the gun on things like this, but this is outrageous for a game like Minecraft.

This reminds me of the D&D OGL "update" that tried to retroactively steal independent creators' projects

If I'm not wrong, under EU law you are legally required to inform people of EULA and other terms of condition changes (in other words Mojang must tell people if the EULA has changed, which they failed to do appropriately). Mojang may very well be breaking EU law with their new EULA changes.

@Damian-cilr2

10 ай бұрын

And this isn't the first time they're breaking eu law,and this won't be the last,unless minecraft dies before they break anymore eu laws.

@LilacMonarch

10 ай бұрын

The EU has some actually reasonable consumer protection laws. If you want anything done to really crack down on a company that's the place to do it

@hallwaerd

10 ай бұрын

This isn’t a EULA though. These are just casual guidelines stating what Mojang will let you get away with when it comes to making and sharing content relating to Minecraft.

I already jumped ship as soon as I saw the chat reporting update, and the guys at Mojang and Microsoft are doing a terrible job at making me regret my decision - in fact, they're making me proud of it because I knew things were only going downhill from there.

@CrystalLily1302

10 ай бұрын

Yeah I’m not giving them any more money, I’ll play Java and I’ll use my mods and Mojang won’t be able to tell the difference in revenue from that and me never playing again

@twotruckslyrics

9 ай бұрын

@@CrystalLily1302 mods 🔥

“We want you to share and create!” they say after they make guidelines with every possible rule that’ll make people not want to share and create

Minecraft could have been THE game, the one game, that survives for the century. Once it returned after Fortnite took the spotlight for a while, I was re-convinced it could actually be game of the century. And Microsoft is killing it. I would NEVER have expected that the company that owns Minecraft would be the thing to kill it, I had expected that if it did die it would go like any other game, by the game running its course. But everything Microsoft touches dies. God please help us…

There’s so many issues with these sorts of things to the point that I don’t think mojang or Microsoft realy care anymore…wither it’s this or the server issues or the whol chat reporting issue….it feels like mojang and Microsoft just arnt listening to the community….it’s honestly sad and depressing at this point there’s never any clear communication and this looks like it can be extremely harmful to the community as a whole.

@Nixolas_Zinn

10 ай бұрын

Microsoft especially, they've been like that for years now

@limpfall13

10 ай бұрын

@@Nixolas_Zinn true true

Just wait until you see the official guidelines for legal fair use. They’re even less precise that the ones Minecraft provided here haha.

@wildblack1

10 ай бұрын

The actual law is vague, but there is quite a bit of precedent that clarifies what is and is not fair use.

@delta3244

10 ай бұрын

​@@wildblack1Although it's up to debate how much that precident matters (in the US), because iirc a recent SCOTUS decision overturned what used to be a strong stance towards "if a work is (sufficiently) transformative, it doesn't violate copyright. End of analysis."

I can't imagine they're dumb enough to try and enforce most of this, seems more like a scenario where these guidelines give them the free reign to pick out any content they don't like and always be able to point towards some insane broad guideline to back it up, like a cop pulling someone over that they don't like and ticketing them for things like driving 2 miles over the limit or "turning recklessly". Still very scummy and hopefully it receives enough attention to get hit with massive backlash

The second I saw that they’d get to revoke any permission they want simply because they don’t like what it’s being used for, I knew what I was in for ☠️

Wait, so because events with more than 150 people *tend* to be backed by companies, even if mine isn't I can't do that?

Mojang is really trying hard to get people to stop playing their game at this point

Them assuming they even have the right to impose half of these restrictions in the first place… the sheer arrogance is goddamn astounding.

This EULA change is harming the brand lol.

So titles like Minecraft (Modpack name) episode 12- specific name, are just straight up not allowed because Minecraft is featured in the title up front And youtubers like hat films who release extended versions of there videos (edited along with the original recordings being publicly accessible on twitch) are they suddenly in violation of to because they release a longer version for those who want it behind a tiny pay wall(KZread members)

@darthplagueis13

10 ай бұрын

They would be allowed. They don't really do a great job with the examples, but it isn't about whether or not Minecraft is the first word of the title, it's about whether Minecraft is just the title. In essence they just don't want it to look like something you made could actually be an official Minecraft thing. Minecraft (Modpack name) would be fine. Minecraft: (Modpack name) on the other hand would not be, because legally speaking,a person could be misled into thinking that Minecraft: (Modpack name) was like a new update or DLC and think that Microsoft is responsible for the contents of (Modpack). It takes a fair bit of mental gymnastics, but 90% of the time, developers and publishers don't actually want to make life more difficult for creators, it's more so a matter of getting the legalese right.

This reminds me so much of the WOTC D&D drama from earlier this year. That has been (so far) been resolved in a player positive way, but I get the feeling this won't go so well...

@RadiantSharaShaymin

10 ай бұрын

It's Microsoft. There's only 1 way for this to end...

@zixvirzjghamn737

10 ай бұрын

@@RadiantSharaShaymin We could boycott Microsoft.

@RadiantSharaShaymin

10 ай бұрын

@@zixvirzjghamn737 Already on it, I'm never using Windows again. All it took was one bad laptop. (Though to be fair, it did have a few really nice things. But between Windows and McAfee, it's a solid NEVER.)

@Shalakor

10 ай бұрын

@@zixvirzjghamn737 Basically every single sector of society uses Microsoft technology in some way, even their direct competitors. You'd have to move to woods (manually walking their yourself) and build your own cabin with tools you fashioned from raw materials yourself to avoid benefiting Microsoft. Calling them out to give them bad PR is possible, but a true boycott of Microsoft as a whole is beyond the scope of what most people of capable of.

@zixvirzjghamn737

10 ай бұрын

@@Shalakor darn

All the time he was reading I was thinking about speedruns, like, are they enough of an "original content" for the team??

@Random1785YT

10 ай бұрын

a lot of speed runners don’t even post for popularity, some literally title their video 9:14 and use whatever thumbnail is auto generated some do edit tho and make thumbnails for the runs but that’s about it so suing them or taking down their videos would be the most out of left field waste of time ever…

I feel like this was written up quickly in a poor attempt to combat both the gradual increase of minecraft-themed porn, but also to take out those boatloads of servers that exploit kids via exorbitant 'donation' tiers that offer pay-to-win benefits and lootboxes, especially since they often attempt to subtly hint to kids that they should outright steal their parents' payment information to do so. Everything else is going to suffer as a result (whether temporarily or permanently) because they're clearly laser-focused on *some* specific issue and not even remotely considering the actual wide impact of it, but this is what I would put down to both an inability and an unwillingness to do their job properly rather than intentional malice. For the same reason, I also expect these rules to be enforced sporadically and randomly, not to mention unfairly as and when something picks their interest to wipe out rather than actually making anything safer for kids.

@Random1785YT

10 ай бұрын

I mean pay to win servers are already against EULA, they didn’t need a whole article of weirdly worded bs to go after them, the main issue probably was that they didn’t care or smthn

@AlfieSR

10 ай бұрын

@@Random1785YT The wording was ambiguous enough that you could shirk off third-party legal persecution by simply creating a definition for 'winning' and ensuring whatever pay2win nonsense packets don't contribute to that. Microsoft could shut them down even prior, sure, because of the "if we don't like what you're doing" wording existed in the previous usage agreement too- the exact examples I gave weren't my point, merely that there's some kind of issue they've decided they want to focus on and are shoving everything else under the bus to get to it.

So... does this target Patreon-exclusive streams / world downloads? That's pretty common right now. Another thing that comes to mind is the popular "I paid someone on Fiver to make this build!" The showcase probably fits these guidelines, but does the Fiver transaction? Sooo much confusion

The wheel turns once more. It’s only been months since the chat filtering dropped with literally zero response to the criticism.

I think brands trying to heavily restrict what and how you do with their media content is gross and deserves all the backlash. Like I get it, you own one of the single most important gaming brands in the world, you wanna protect it. But you're actively diminishing the brand's value by eliminating good faith, particularly when the brand gained a huge portion of it's popularity off of the production and sharing of related content.

@Shalakor

10 ай бұрын

Minecraft, much like D&D, literally is fueled entirely by its community. It would have been popularly dead and replaced by new games of the same genre like most games are if the users didn't stick to the product of their own volition. No part of their marketing or development could account for its longevity. The delusion they carry that they've maintained their brand and it's in danger from being harmed from the outside is pure unfounded hubris.

This feels like a weird sponsorship contract or something that got leaked, like "don't harm our brand" is more of a warning to someone who actually is associated and represents the brand, but they're still using it here in an odd way. It's almost an outdated request, like something you'd see back in the early years of the internet, because it's not like a normal market. It's a huge ocean of humans who want to share and happily show off things to one another. I know there's people wanting to monetize it, but a lot of these are insane with them clearly having strong ties to how one person might interpret any situation. Also the last thing i thought of was that the whole bit about 'dont host an irl get together and commercialise it' is so weird because you'd have to legally get permission to sell Minecraft merch in the first place as a copyright thing, let alone have a convention for it. (Are they trying to force people to have Minecraft itself sponsor events and no other company?)

A lot of this makes no sense but the naming guidelines for putting not an official Minecraft product in the description is more for weeding out unofficial Minecraft merchandise

wow microsoft and mojang, thanks for giving me permission to PRIVATELY TALK ABOUT THE GAME WITH MY FRIENDS!!! glad i can do that without the minecraft police catching me now!!! edit: also as a trans person, omg ur so right with the whole what do we count as "child friendly" thing!! imagine if they decided the existence of trans people wasnt "kid friendly". then what would that mean for all the queer minecraft creators?

@theeclipsemaster

10 ай бұрын

"What would that mean for all the queer minecraft creators?" Yall could probably sue Microsoft into the ground. Im pretty sure thats illegal somewhere. Note: i am not a lawyer. Do not take any legal advice from this

@billcipher8645

10 ай бұрын

@@theeclipsemaster they'll just drain the queer people out of their money until they lose. Minecraft has basically unlimited money

@bugsmith9751

10 ай бұрын

@@billcipher8645 ima be real with you... im pretty sure they dont have as much money any more as they used to seeing how much they are relying on offshoot garbage and merchandise... the game has dropped past its peak in sales, and either mojang, or microsoft seem to be taking the news pretty hard seeing how focused they are on "preserving the brand"

@PicturePencil

10 ай бұрын

EXACTLY!!!! especially with the vague wording of “if we don’t like it” it feels very much like they’re teeing themselves up to be able to suppress queer folks engaging with their game

@zoesusername

10 ай бұрын

@@PicturePencil YEAH LIKE- idk if its intentional or not but its like. either way stuff like this is still concerning as like it opens the door for suppressing certain folks being possible

I feel like the minecraft "dark age" is coming back

@anarlote5658

10 ай бұрын

At least with the previous minecraft dark age, I could enjoy the games vibrant modding scene. Fat chance of that happening now.

"do not harm the brand" says the company directly harming the brand

It's Wizard of the Coast's OGL 1.1 all over again

0:39 Essential Guidelines (Disclaimers) This disclaimer exists so no one gets to sue them if they ever change any part of these guidelines. It's just a legal "hey, these aren't engraved in stone in this exact state forever". 2:06 Naming Guidelines Just don't make your video/event/channel/whatever sound like an official product and you're good. Putting "Minecraft" as a singular standalone word at the start of your title would do exactly that. Even worse if you put "Official Minecraft" or something. Account names like "Minecraft Help", "Minecraft Builds", "Minecraft Tester" or events like "Minecraft Build Day", etc. are easily assumed to be official by people who aren't as internet-savy (like for example the parents of MC's main target audience). 6:17 Videos, Streams, and Screenshots Guidelines What do you want them to do? Define in excruciating detail exactly what you can or can't do, with every variation that could ever happen? They're basically saying "anything that falls under Fair Use is okay" - which has been true even before these guidelines. 14:25 Conclusion "[...] knowing that my content might be removed just because they don't like what I'm doing." - That's how copyright works. You're using a copyrighted IP. Legally, they're well withing their right to take down absolutely everything that includes that IP. Fan content has always existed in that gray area. Not sure why people are freaking out about this. Yeah, it's worded awkwardly in places - but from what I'm getting that's mostly due to them trying to balance between being too detailed (and as a result allow loopholes) and still giving enough info. Just set your product up in a way that a child stumbling across its public-facing parts randomly won't a) think it's official, b) get scammed, or c) get them or (reasonable) parents upset.

@wildblack1

10 ай бұрын

This is absolutely correct. I wish people would stop making videos about something that they clearly don't understand at all.

Microsoft will keep pushing these corporate changes until the player base does something about it. We can whine and complain about these changes, but unless we actually do something that impacts their bottom line, they have no reason to stop. Most Java edition players haven't given Mojang a dime since they bought their account, so the only financial pull we have is to fully boycott the game and get others to do the same.

@zixvirzjghamn737

10 ай бұрын

Realms.

@noahstobbe9814

10 ай бұрын

@@zixvirzjghamn737 true i forgot about that.

@Shalakor

10 ай бұрын

If you're a Java player that was already actively not giving them additional money, and never have to interact with the company to keep playing, how can you stop giving them money or attention in protest? That's definitionally exclusionary to the option of boycotting. Boycotting would just being maintaining the status quo, so you instead need to protest in an impactful way that grabs attention. We need to speak out.

These are some of the dumbest guidelines ever. And the annoying thing? Most game companies have similar guidelines. Which is stupid. It's like "See this gun? Well if you play my games, I get to hold it to your head. I dare you to do something I don't like"

Minecraft VS Terraria is a really good showing of how big corporations really ruin community and creativity. In the case of Terraria, the devs are always positively interacting with fans, taking feedback into consideration, and being super supportive of peoples creativity and takes on the game. The creator, Red, even retweets stuff like Calamity Mod announcements which i think is really awesome and really makes the community feel welcomed. Then you have Minecraft, where the devs at Microsoft put on fake smiles and try to seem super into the community, when in actuality 90% of changes recently have been met with a ton of backlash from fans and are super unhealthy for a game about... creating lol. It's honestly pretty sad looking back on Minecraft when it was indie and comparing it to now, sure it's *technically* better, but it really feels like a lot of the old charm and the warm feeling was lost. These companies are so over protective of their own brands and finances that they end up pissing everybody off, but sadly it'll just keep happening because they know they can get away with it. No one has quit playing Nintendo games despite their treatment of fans, people still go to the movies to watch new Disney movies, and people will still always play Minecraft regardless of what Microsoft does.

@hectic1830

10 ай бұрын

I’ve been playing calamity for about a year now. Probably one of the best mods I’ve played for terraria.

@xeroprotagonist

10 ай бұрын

I don't know about that man, I've quit playing Nintendo games because of their treatment of fans, I don't watch new Disney movies, and I haven't given Microsoft a dime for over a decade, and I'm boycotting at least a few dozen other companies for similar reasons - EA, Blizzard, Bethesda, Apple, Amazon, etc. If everybody was like me these corporations would collapse. It's not that hard to just stop giving your money to the world's most anti-consumer corporations.

They could literally have this video removed if they felt like it. Kinda scary to think about.

@delta3244

10 ай бұрын

There is no legal basis on which that could ever be justified. If they can, it's because YT's systems are bad and a plainly valid appeal was denied, not because of their guidelines.

@quecksilber4976

10 ай бұрын

@@delta3244 The legal basis for all of this are intellectual property laws. So the legal basis is definitely there.

@delta3244

10 ай бұрын

@@quecksilber4976 Please give a competent legal argument (or skeleton of one) explaining how this video violates Microsoft's intellectual property rights. I can claim with certainty that no such argument exists with a >1% chance of succeeding in court.

@quecksilber4976

10 ай бұрын

​@@delta3244 I feel like this is a somewhat bad faith response. You obviously must know that I am not a lawyer (I'm not even fluent in English lol) and thus it's gonna be impossible for me formulate a legal argument that could be presented in court; as that's a lawyers job. On top of that, the concise laws governing intellectual property would also differ by jurisdiction. Fact of the matter is that Minecraft is Mojang's intellectual property and as such they can govern the terms surrounding the use of their intellectual property in any way. Imagine this discussion was about theft instead and I claimed there was a legal basis for prosecuting that thief. And you'd come along and ask: "Please give a competent legal argument that would hold up in court on why this person should be prosecuted. Oh, you can't do that because you aren't a lawyer? Checkmate then, I guess no such legal basis exists." The two scenarios aren't exactly the same (also because unlike laws governing theft I actually would disagree with a lot of intellectual property laws) but you get the point. That would be an odd argument to make.

@delta3244

10 ай бұрын

@@quecksilber4976 That's why I included "(or a skeleton)." I know it's still a lot to ask for, but I cannot argue against your claim that this video violates Microsoft's intellectual property rights, because that claim is absurd on its face. It's as if I were to talk about mathematics, and you were to come up to me and tell me "but 2 + 2 =/= 4, so that proof is wrong." How am I supposed to respond besides by asking you to explain yourself? Let me try again: show me any intellectual property law or combination of such laws, in any relevant jurisdiction or any legally similar jurisdiction, which this video violates. That's essentially what I was asking for, but I made it sound scary & wanted more than is strictly necessary - I'm sorry about that. The reason I am not giving an argument against your claim is because that law simply doesn't exist. If I'm mistaken, it's your job to demonstrate it. I will accept all the insults for my extreme, misplaced confidence if such a law exists, but I have good reason to be confident here. I've read through Canada's Copyright Act in full, and listened to lawers talk about IP topics a reasonable amount. Your claim seems completely alien to any law or precident I've encountered. I guess I can give a partial argument against your claim: you're being too clever by half. That is, if this video violates Microsoft's IP rights, what conversation about the new guidelines wouldn't? You'd be making IP law into something much more far-reaching than it could possibly be meant to be, (if I were a lawyer, this is where I'd quote legal text that demonstrates there are limitations on IP rights. Fair use/fair dealing would probably be a good thing to put here, alongside free speech (yes, this is a free speech issue - if this video violates IP rights, then it's hard to imagine detailed criticism of these guidelines which doesn't, considering that exact language should be analysed)).

Wizard of the coast just tried to impose a new ogl for dnd and we were able to make them desist. I hope the minecraft community can do the same

you know its bad when fireborn makes a video of a game other than a metroidvania

It's crazy I see almost nobody talking about this, what an insane change. I really hope they step back from this. Thank you for the video or I would have no idea.

This is basically the same problem we had with WotC and D&D during last year and early this year. Executives just don't care about the users at all again.

@jess648

10 ай бұрын

it was also good proof that bullying corporations relentlessly till they back out on their bad decisions works

I love these broader industry-focused videos. It's absolutely insane the microsoft is trying to shut down so many of the things that have kept Minecraft such a resilient and thriving game / community. The idea that everything needs to be sanitized and kid/advertiser/brand friendly kills so many communities and outlets for regular adults who just want to have fun on the weekends.

As a tiny Minecraft creator, this is a bit scary to me! Does the "no overlays" thing mean I can't use my little V-tuber anymore?

@zixvirzjghamn737

10 ай бұрын

it would also mean no face cam, and no speedrun timer. However, you could probably just shrink minecraft so that the overlay isnt covering minecraft.

@Sovereign_Toadstool

10 ай бұрын

Unless I missed a different rule, (which is possible, in which case disregard this comment), the thing about overlays was saying you can't just put your stuff on another person's video, and I think normal streaming or recording with overlays would be okay? I just assume reaction videos are now off limits

@Shalakor

10 ай бұрын

@@Sovereign_Toadstool No, that was definitely in regards to your own content. They just straight up said using footage of other people's gameplay in any context was a hard "NO" without any listed exceptions in the next bullet point. Presumably can't even use someone else's content with that person's permission as this is written.

@swilleh_

3 ай бұрын

vtuber 🤮

Boosting engagement - this deserves to be more widely shared.

These guidelines are supposed to define how the community can avoid harming the brand, rather than just saying don't harm the brand and leaving it at that. Defining harm should be their job, not ours.

@HollowKnightReference

10 ай бұрын

I fail to see your point. I’m not trying to be confrontational I’m being genuine.

@bananamotionpictures

10 ай бұрын

@@HollowKnightReference so, to phrase things differently, Microsoft wants to maintain a positive brand image (I.e. they want people to think favorably about Minecraft). As such, they provide guidelines for what they will allow you to do with their product in order to encourage people to use it in ways that maintain that image. However, these guidelines they have provided are frustratingly vague and often say "don't harm the brand". Since these guidelines are supposed to tell us specifically how they want us to not harm the brand these statements are unhelpful and leave us wondering what is and isn't considered ok and raise more questions than they answer.

@HollowKnightReference

10 ай бұрын

@@bananamotionpictures I misinterpreted your comment as you agreeing with microsoft. Thanks for elaborating I completely agree

@Leviathis_Krade

10 ай бұрын

you'll notice tech companies recently have been more brazen in that last statement from the original comment.

With how much interpretation going on in their guidelines, all that elsagate Minecraft content is still okay! Wonderous.

From what I understand the part about naming simply boils down to not making it appear like you are using Minecraft as the name. You can name it whatever you want and you are free to clarify that it refers to Minecraft, but you aren't allowed to call it Minecraft. Basically they just don't want it to look like you've got any brand rights to the name or that your project is somehow an official Minecraft thing. It's not simply about whether it is the first word or not. For example: "Minecraft redstone mechanics - a complete guide for beginners" would be fine, but "Minecraft - my beginners guide to redstone mechanics" could be problematic.

@wildblack1

10 ай бұрын

Why would there be a difference between those? they both seem equaly likely to be mistaken as official.

I'm barely a minute in and we've already found something completely ridiculous. Who would put the phrase "we don't like what you are doing" into a legal document?

@kasukidw4036

10 ай бұрын

Well, people like to find holes everywhere, almost no one is going to be affected by this. And if you think you are going to be affected by it, is cuz you're doing something wrong

@bgammax5842

10 ай бұрын

its just weird to use "don't like what you are doing" as a phrase in a legal document, since the purpose is to provide clarity on what conduct is considered acceptable and its strange to use such informal language as part of a set of conditions

@wildblack1

10 ай бұрын

@@bgammax5842 It's not a legal document though. It is just ment to tell people what to do so that they wont use their legal right to prevent people from using their copyright.

Shout out to the Hoeg Law KZread channel. In quite a few of his his videos where he reviews terms of use for games, consoles, and other similar tech, he comments about how any gaming company can basically do what you read in this video at any time, and that streaming basically relies on them deciding that free advertising on KZread is worth more to them than cracking down on KZreadrs. I'm really curious what decisions led to Minecraft deciding to spell those rights out explicitly instead of leaving them implicit.

I feel like this is going to be the point where people start legitimately pirating minecraft (or doing something similar) in order to avoid these ridiculous guidelines. They fr just said we basically can't do crap, and I'm not here for a company that ignores its fanbase in favor of looking good in other corporations' eyes, or in the eyes of the few people (probably *very* strict parents or similar types of people) who believe minecraft and the creative endeavors of people on it are inappropriate and shouldn't exist. It's like putting restrictions on art in my opinion.

8:10 i think you are misinterpreting this one. That is just an example of a way to make it unique. In the next one it says you cant just put your logo on someone else's gameplay, which implies that it's okay if you just show your gameplay.

@ETXAlienRobot201

10 ай бұрын

that is one of the few reasonable ones. even then, pft... also, if they're going to police plagiarism like this, they better be compensating the original creators of that footage for doing so. and that is assuming *those* creators actually would've authorized it. there are legitimate reasons to place your logo/watermark over other footage, especially for commentary/criticism reasons. come to think of it, i basically just countered an "apparently reasonable" term. so that's also to say it's bullshit as written.

I wonder how much this would affect Animation vs Minecraft

@wildblack1

10 ай бұрын

It will not effect it. It very much follows all of the guidelines, and Likely falls under fair use.

@zixvirzjghamn737

10 ай бұрын

*movement noises*

Would be nice if more devs would comment on controversial decisions like this because it would at least help to explain the reasoning behind these incredibly weird situations like chat reporting and these guidelines

Something people seem to forget is that IP holders have always legally had the right to bar you from making anything related to their IP. People have confused leniency for legality. You cannot legally make minecraft merch, content, etc without the rightsholders say so. Theres a common belief that the rules are more lenient if you aren't making money off of it, this is a myth. Doing something for free has no effect on the legality of it. That whole section where they were defining commercial use as any use, regardless of profit is a case of that. Legally, there is no difference. Now most companies quite rightly realise that allowing this kind of stuff is basically free marketing, but make no mistake. It's always been illegal. If you design a cool minecraft themed shirt, you're breaching copyright. Doesn't matter if you sell it or not, as again, making money off of it has no effect on the legality. Thats why a company can suddenly pop up with draconian restrictions like this out of nowhere. Because the actual legal status of fan creations has always been more restricted than even the harshest of these policies.

@wildblack1

10 ай бұрын

I agree. Everyone on the internet totally misunderstands this and is way overreacting.

I had no idea there was a guidelines update. Thank you for covering this

Love how they said fuck you to Notch years ago for the things he did/said yet here they are on their way to be the exact same I love Minecraft but I see it dying soon (and I kinda hope it happens) since the devs and everyone in the team are the ones causing this I rather see the game I’ve loved for half of my life end in a “good state” than for it to keep getting worse and worse bc of bullshit like this

This looks like a community manager tried to paraphrase a document from legalese to conversational language, losing all the specificity and indirectly highlighting all the corporate bs they were trying to slip under the communitie's watch.

13:06 Question about the second point about server access, does this effectively ban modded servers since mods are out of game content? Or are they considered in-game?

@gofygobers-dy2ub

10 ай бұрын

That is a question i have now but never fear, minecraft forge just went nuclear apocalypse mode. THE OG FOUNDER OF FORGE Lexmanos has just been forcibly kicked off the project, every other founder and major contributor has been retained and it's been forked to a new dev branch. Actual positive helpful changes are already being made in less than 48hrs and within a short amount of time the current minecraft forge will officially be dead. I would put a link to this news but youtube link hate and all... The kicker is i was considering looking into playing modded minecraft again then i saw this and have now decided to promptly and permanently discard minecraft to the trash pile.

Twitch made a change in their TOS which angered their users that made them change platforms, where they now changed it back. Reddit made a stupid decision and their own community revolted around them, they revolted but they didn't budge and doubled down by threatening their moderators to replace them. Now Mojang/Microsoft made the same dumb decision and now their own community is revolting against them. Now its up to the community as to how bad they make a commotion to force Mojang/Microsoft take back or change the new usage guidelines. And were gonna need all the help they can get from other big content creators, specially Minecraft creators. Even the ones who you really hate which is Dream.

1:04 First of all. This is not a new thing it existed in the guidelines previously. Secondly, they could do this even if they didn't write it in the guidelines. It is not a legally binding document it is just a statement about what they decided to allow. They can change it for any reason and can violate it if they want to. 4:21 I think they know what commercial means. They want all content posted to follow the same guidelines regardless of whether it was commercial or not. 5:16 again, they are informing you of what you are allowed to do, of course they can change it at any time. 6:07 again they can take down anything about minecraft they want for any reason. 7:29 that is litterally basic fair use guidelines. To make an obvious example say mojang releases a video talking about a new update. You may not repost the video unedited, but you may react to it and talk about the video. If you need to just look up fair use laws. there are court cases on this that talk about how much is neccicary for it to be transformative. I very much doubt that they will take down videos of gameplay. I don't think there is any court case about how transformative playing a game is but to me it seems like there could be a legitamite legal defense. 9:35 This has already been precedent sense before video games even existed. If a person or company has copyright to something, they get to dictate what other people can do with it if it is not in fair use. 11:45 presumably they did it so they made it clear it would be fine to have an event with 151 participents. 12:51: The guidelines exist to inform people of what they are allowed to do, not to give people permission. 14:03 There are laws about what is suitable for children and what isn't. You would do well to read them. To be clear I definitely do disagree with some of the stuff said in the guidelines but you definitely got a lot of stuff about it wrong. They will almost certainly not target everyone who violates the guidelines at all, But they exist to inform you of what they think is ok and what you should not to to be safe.

@xeroprotagonist

10 ай бұрын

There are no laws delineating what's suitable for children and what isn't, in the US at least. It's completely subjective.

That sounds like f***ing Day shift at Freddy's restaurant's policies, but irl.

@_-Lx-_

10 ай бұрын

Pretty much comedic parodies of unreliable corporation talk in general. Same applies with stuff like Appeture and ValtTec too. Maybe they just don't want people to yiff the Blocks. Not after the grand canyon incident.

Once again another game dev company forgets who brings them money.