Agree, it's a Freshman Trainer. I flew one around 1960 maybe and it was heavy as well. I had a McCoy .29 on it. Thanks for the memory.

@sonex413

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! If you check some of the other comments you'll see that this motor is going into a Goldberg Shoestring Stunter, and why that's happening...

My pa saved my old McCoy red head for me for over 40 years , so glad to still have it . Never fired it up .

Holy Crap... I still have one of these floating around with my old RC stuff!

What a beauty ! Can't wait to see her flying. I learned to fly CL 30 years ago. A plywood model with cox 049 that i still have with me

@sonex413

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Pedro! I hope you'll show us that model someday!

I saved and saved, bought a 19, tried flying CL with that, then a 29 that I got for Christmas. I called them, (Testor's versions) "The Red Headed Knuckle Busters", didn't have starters, didn't think to use a padded screwdriver, just bruised fingers.

@sonex413

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear this video brought back some memories! Richie and I just ran that motor a couple days ago after letting it sit since this video. I mixed up some correct fuel...straight methanol with 20+ percent castor oil, and we got the right glow plug installed. She started right up for us and we ran a few tankfuls through it. Now we're thinking we don't want to fly it in that overweight brick of a trainer so I'm going to build a brand new Goldberg Shoestring Stunter from an unbuilt original kit. They even recommend a McCoy 29 on the plans! We'll keep you posted! -Mike

@jamesberwick2210

2 жыл бұрын

@@sonex413 Between a few of my friends and myself, trying to learn to fly Control line, our high school exercise field should be declared a local grave yard for model airplanes. We left plenty of crosses, (Back ends of airplanes sticking up) learning to fly. Gave up Control Line for RC, flew that for nearly fifty years, then fields closed and one of the guys, who happened to live near me, went back to CL, I went and watched, then on a trip together to the hobby shop, he handed me a Sig Acromaster and I put a 15 on it and wound my self into the ground. 17 years later, still flying CL, now flying in Intermediate at contests, still having fun.

@KozmykJ

2 жыл бұрын

@@sonex413 I was thinking it sounded more like glow-plug trouble more than just break-in stiffness. My thought was caked castor oil residue around the element. Once off the battery those coils have still got a job to do retaining heat for the next cycle. Glad you got it running smoothly. Takes me back ... 👍🧙‍♂

A Freshman 29. I flew one when I was 8 in 1974 with a McCoy 29. 58 now. I remember It was a slick epoxied natural finish with rubber wheels. The guy had done a fabulous job and had helped me in the circle when we flew. Finishing up a Carl Goldberg Shoestring Stunter, that will get a NIB McCoy 35, that I just finished breaking-in. The 35 was pulled down all the way before any fuel went thru. Glad I did. I found some scabs of dissimilar metal corrosion in places it shouldn't have been from sitting all that time.

I have been flying Control line and R/C aircraft for over 50 years Too :)

I love seeing folks have some fun with these classic controlline engines. Great video! It looks like a sig buster style of speed plane. Love the sound of the red head McCoy's, they really do thunder through the air. These bad boys like to run a wet 2cycle at launch and the she leans out for stunts to give a little power boost. Woohoo loved seeing that engine come alive :)

@sonex413

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!! We are putting some break-in time on that motor...it's going to go in a Goldberg Shoestring Stunter which I'm building from an original complete kit. The airplane in this video is (was) a "Freshman". The motor flew out of the plane a few days ago as Richie was running it. The wooden motor mounts failed and the motor flew off on the remaining fuel in the line but not before delivering a deep cut to Richie's forearm! So, it's going into the new Shoestring...we'll keep you posted...Richie is OK, he's healing up....

That really brings back memories from the 1970's when I was a teenager and used to fly control line, usually little 20" wingspan stunters with an .049 motor. I still have a DC Wasp and McCoy. I then moved up to bigger models and bought a Fox 15, which I still have. There are very few control line flyers about these days, some guys not too far from me are now using electric motors, and they seem to go really well. Look forward to the next instalment.

@sonex413

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much Neil! I used to have a Fox 15 r/c back around 1970. Great runner, had it in a Goldberg Ranger 42 r/c foamie. Never could get that Galloping Ghost radio rig to work right, so it was basically a free-flight which I would watch zooming around the sky out of control while I did the "I ain't got it!" dance down on the ground. Ah, memories! Thanks for watching and dropping a comment!

Really early magician sure looks like one great video.

Nice smooth running engine. No surging, steady RPM

Very cool. It looks like an old Testors Freshman control line trainer. Btw, was the plane fuel proofed?

Thanks for that video. More than 40 years ago I built and flew such planes myself. Also had some of the cox plastic models, which I really loved because of realistic shape. Today I still have some of these small Cox and McCoy motors but fly them with simple built, light weight RC - stunt planes. Electro isn´t bad. But this is the "real McCoy".😁 Can´t wait to see that little beauty fly!

@sonex413

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Martin! We're happy to count you as one of our flying friends!

Good to see chaps back on the field. Its a great looking aircraft and that engine sounds sweet. Look forward to seeing some flights.

@sonex413

3 жыл бұрын

You and me both! Soon, I hope!

I remember building something similar by PDQ. Solid wing and wooden wheels. From AHC catalog. Great to see you posting again.

@sonex413

3 жыл бұрын

Cool, thanks! I remember the smiling postman from the old AHC advert! I loved poring over those three densely-packed pages at the front of the old model mags! I got my first RC model from them, a TopFlite "Schoolmaster" by Ken Willard.

needle set too lean

Wow! Richie put a lot of work in to getting that motor running! Now I remember why I fly Electric ;-) I'll be watching the flight video of that little Plane. See you in the Air!

@sonex413

3 жыл бұрын

The hard work only makes it sweeter when you finally succeed! Hope you're well and staying safe...take care and thanks for the note

@planker

3 жыл бұрын

electric makes for nice peaceful flight. not so in controlline. with a maximum of 60' from the deck, overkill for airspeed with elevator control only. spin circles in place while controlling your model. smelling like fuel and nursing a finger on the way home is typical Sunday flying.

Glued together with good old Ambroid cement & no doubt painted with Top Flight clear dope & a Perfect fuel tank. All this stuff was only a bike ride away @ the local hobby shop, back in the day 50 yrs. ago. Wasn’t priced out of reach for the average kid with a paper route or mowing the neighbors lawns, either! Next step up was Estes rockets, high tech, big time + whatever toy car you could strap a “C” class rocket engine on to! Look out!!!!!

Awesome !

@sonex413

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Hopefully it will fly next time!

you just said something that happened to me 50 year ago i had cox 0.49 cc and the motor came off the plane and chased me around the park ...nice one

Have a Shoestring too. Built it in ,65. Just rebuilt it a few years back. Use epoxy on the plywood doublers. In fact, toss the kit plywood and use new ply from Tower or another modern ply.

I still have a McCoy .35 Red Head I got in the 50's (I believe) go it for either $4.95 or $5.95. Those were not only a bargain even back then, they were a good engine. In the 70's U control got popular around here again, but grown up to fly .35 planes on steel lines. Always hand propped, I built a Goldberg Shoestring, no mufflers of course. That 35 flew that Shoestring great, flew it a lot till I gut into RC 2-3 years later. DO NOT TRUST those nylon props, they had a tendency to throw a blade even when they were new, NO WAY I would ever run an engine with an old Testors nylon prop. That was why the Master Airscrew and other fiber reinforced props got so popular.

Did not read all the comments. Beleive that kit is named Champ. They made a 1/2A size. Saw a thread today on th" Tube - guy did some assembly work.on the control line system. Bought my 35 RedHwad at a Sears store in "59. Put it on a Veco Tomahawk. Then a Flite Streak. It still runs and I rebuilt the Streak a few years back. Trae the McCoy with care-some didn;t last long...

@sonex413

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!!

the plane is a mccoy freshman 29 plane you could buy the kit for 2.99 at the hobby shop the eng needs all castor oil fuel at least 25% oil

@sonex413

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the ID on the model! After we made this video we hooked up with the local hobby store where the owner knows a lot about the old engines. He set us up with the correct all-castor fuel and now we're waiting for spring flying season to try again. I don't think we did much if any damage with the couple of short lean runs we had, the compression still fells snappy and I think we can get it properly broken in when the time comes.

BTW drive a nail in the clubhouse wall and hang that Top Flite prop on it. Those ancient props are a disaster waiting to happen. Get an APC 10-6 on that McCoy.. Enoyed your vid!

you need to richen the mix you'll burn it up needs to 4 cycle for 30 minutes

@theflyer4916

2 жыл бұрын

You are precisely correct.

I Love old time Music. That’s a lot of work to get that old thing going. I know nothing about these fuel engines. Cool, guys!

@sonex413

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I thought for sure I'd get a copyright hit for using that music but I guess it's old enough that it didn't trigger the YT algorithm. Fuel engines? Back in the old days, that's all there was! You can't beat that sound and smell!! They sure are messy, though!

@Prowlerook

3 жыл бұрын

I agree that 1940's intro on video just stole me away a few seconds, Mom and Dad both Lt in WWII I heard this music growing up they played 78's :) with that style and level so nice......

"MCCOY REDHEADS" When men were men....lol She's a beauty! Just stumbled onto your channel.

@sonex413

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks and welcome to our flying family! We subbed your channel too, you have interesting hobbies! Nice work on the T, it looked pretty rough in what I assume are the original condition pics at the top of your page! Stay safe, see you at the field!

SAME WAY MY McCOYS STARTED. 72 STILL PLAYING WITH AIRPLANES. R.C.

@sonex413

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Cap'n!! Glad to have you on board!

That looks close to a RING MASTER. As an early teen,these were very popular Saturday morning outings with my dad and brothers at the school ground. People were very different then. Today at 74, there is no way in hell I can do this control line plane today. I had a junior flight streak with a .19 on it. Too much, too fast for my slow hand. For me, vomiting came easy for the slightest reason. Still does.

@sonex413

2 жыл бұрын

I expect we're going to get pretty dizzy when we fly it. Maybe we'll do some "spin training". I remember both the planes you mentioned. I had the baby flite streak with a Cox 049 from a busted up plastic job in it. I learned to do consecutive loops with it, 4 inside then 4 outside, you could keep the plane in one spot for a while if getting dizzy!

You can actually hear that bad boy loosening up. Sounded great at the end.

@sonex413

3 жыл бұрын

Wait until the weather warms up, we'll see what she can do!

Hey just found your channel (new member )nice video. I’m not sure why I never had one of them when I was young I think it’s a north thing lmbo just kidding.i guess any engine your not sure of you need to break in .i seen on a Chanel earlier I think they said to run like 30/1 is tht right to break in and regular run is like 20/1 .i do have a Couple of Goldberg’s stuntman’s 23 haven’t flown one yet.thats a great looking plane.i May be wrong but that plane looks like a Nobler.

@sonex413

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! A commenter mentioned what the model is, I;m pretty sure he said it was a McCoy Freshman 29. We got some castor based fuel and some good advice for break-in, now we're waiting for decent weather and a dry field! We'll get video!

Whoa I would have had a fingerstall on to try starting that fella.

@sonex413

3 жыл бұрын

It's hard to teach an old Richie new tricks! Thanks for watching, hope you're well and staying safe!

Well... I did a search for a while and found some very similar planes, but no cigar. It’s Cool, though! You don’t see control line planes these days, though the boys n I sometimes talk about em down at the flying field. Anyway guys... remember the dizzy and be prepared to sit down and recover. Ha ha Fun stuff... Edit: I just remembered to say that Richie has done this before, cuz he’s very quick to get his hand out of there, even though he’s doing fast and repeated spins on that prop! It’s actually kind of impressive, how well he reacts when it starts... and gets his hand outa there. You could trim the bushes with that old nylon prop, that’s for sure.

@sonex413

3 жыл бұрын

Richie and I laughed reading the bit about how he gets his hand out of there pretty quickly!! Thanks for doing some research on that old ukie. I browsed the entire u-control section on outerzone dot com and, like you, found a few to be close but no cigar either.... I told Richie to go home and practice spinning around for two minutes at a time to get ready for flying that plane...he said he could do better than that....says he is going to go home and drink heavily until the room starts to spin and then just sit there....

My McCoy .29, Fox .35, McCoy .20 and McCoy .10 were never hard to start. 6v Batt, and Testors fuel. No problem Wish i could go back.

A McCoy .29 Red Head motor was NOT cheap back in the 1950s and 60s. There were bigger scale airplane motors too. If I remember correctly, I think they went up .75 which was a Duesy! Some guys were putting small chain saw engines into big-scale model aircraft. My brother was into this when he was a kid and I watched.

@toralfcross3819

3 жыл бұрын

I'm happy to see people are keeping track of all the old model aviation iron i have a Mccoy. 35 myself i would like to mount on a model

that's a cool AF plane from the 50s?? 60s?? its gotta be from that era.. I've seen wen mac planes from the 50s 60s and they were aluminum or a light light sheet metal?? I saw a P 51 lightning with twin 0.49 motors..I said to myself "wow what a handful to start and flyy!!!! I've also seen McCoy's that were outboard CL boat motors. they made a twin cylinder outboard motor for CL boats and those are super rare..I loved that they looked just like a old Johnson or Evenrude outboard motor from back then. either of u guys have any of those CL boats or CL cars from back then??? very cool stuff man. s I'm glad to see u2 fellers back in the saddle and out in ur flying field of dreams.. Ohh and btw Mike I added that Steven Stills "" tree top flyer song to my Utube music play list.... whatta great tune u know..great vidddd to..Well guys u take care and post more viddzz.. and Ritchie keep those fly away's to a minimum if u can.. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.. later dudes.......Ray from CO

@sonex413

3 жыл бұрын

Good to hear from you, Ray! I think the aluminum wing ukie you mentioned was a Cox model, maybe called a TD-1 (?). They are super rare and worth a lot to collectors...Yeah, starting two glo motors at a time is a good trick. I had Goldberg Jr. Skylark back around 1968 with 2 Cox .020 PeeWee motors. (they cost $2.95 at the time!!). I managed to get them both running on many occasions but never managed an actual controlled flight!

@mikedurhan9941

2 жыл бұрын

A "P-51 Lightning", eh? That would be interesting..........

How many McCoy's do you think are still out there? I was lucky enough to buy a brand new one on eBay some tome back. I personally have about 40 McCoy all different size's.

RIP soft sintered iron piston

@sonex413

2 жыл бұрын

Luckily we didn't kill it and subsequent runs on methanol/ castor with zero nitro have proven very satisfactory. Thanks to several viewers who tipped us off on fuel requirements for this old stuff!

@sonex413

2 жыл бұрын

P.S. It's going to go into a brand new Goldberg Shoestring Stunter from an original kit.

The Top Flight props aren’t near as bad as the Master Airscrew props as far as slicing you open!

Fly it! i have a 29 redhead on a Riley's VooDoo. its fast on 60' lines. good luck.

@sonex413

3 жыл бұрын

Waiting on better weather. We have the proper fuel now and ready to try it when the snow melts!

@planker

3 жыл бұрын

@@sonex413 good luck. pls get some footage.

@sonex413

3 жыл бұрын

@@planker definitely!

That is a cool setup but I'm wondering if those old engines need castor oil instead of synthetic oil i don't know what fuel/oil/nitro mix you're using there maybe also the glow plug ?

@sonex413

3 жыл бұрын

You're right, we picked up some Sig castor to mix up a special batch, a new plug, and a smaller prop...

@barneybetelgeuse6273

3 жыл бұрын

Good one sonex 😃👍

Dang That Thing Is As Old As Me! LOL This Is Exactly Why I Own Nothing But Electric Planes Etc! Thanks Y'alls

@sonex413

3 жыл бұрын

We mess around with 'em so that it'll remind us of how good the electrics are!

I have been flying a lot of control line this summer after not much since I was a kid. Restored my old Goldberg Buster and tried it with a Fox .35 but then got a new OS Max .35 S for it. Took like a half gallon of fuel before it was broke in, runs perfect now. Here is video of flying before completely broke in. Also, I wear a glove when starting. kzread.info/dash/bejne/nYKZzaVukqyykbA.html

Wow Mccoy 29?..😲😲😲

@sonex413

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, it's the "Real McCoy"! Takes me way back!

@flyawayandyk2916

3 жыл бұрын

@@sonex413 === 45 years ago when im kid ...MaCoy + Ring master is my Dreme sir 😂😂😂✌🎈🎈🎈

Just noted miracle grow in trunk of car, you mix fertilizer for fuel..hey had to ask lol!!

testors freshman 29 plane

Watch my uncle fly one same plane and eng 1964 Delray FL

Are you sure you are using the right glow plug, it shouldn't die like that when you take the battery off.

@sonex413

3 жыл бұрын

We have re-evaluated our glo plug, fuel, and prop....should be better next time!

Hope your running at 25% caster they need a lot of oil,

If it dies when you remove battery, that means bad glow plug

I have a red head 35 McCoy

@sonex413

3 жыл бұрын

That was a super popular engine! It must have been nice to be able to buy US made hobby stuff back then.

This my plane,,,, also a mid 50s early 60s vintage. Mc Coy 19 engine. Estimate on value??

@sonex413

2 жыл бұрын

The greatest value is historical, not so much in cash value, I think. There are many items on Ebay under Vintage R/C and Control Line and you can get some idea of value there...or at least what people are asking for price-wise! Most in-demand are brand new items still in the original box, just like most antiques. Richie says fly it! -Mike

@hanklawton8079

2 жыл бұрын

@@sonex413 mine flys fine ,,, it's very close to the one videoed,,, very balanced,,, gets oohs and ahhs whenever I get a chance to fly it

@sonex413

2 жыл бұрын

@@hanklawton8079 Very COOL! Unfortunately we're not going to get a chance to see this particular model fly...Richie was running in our McCoy the other day to get some break-in time on it and it came right off the model...old school nylon TopFlite meat slicer gave him a really nasty gash on his arm. The wooden mounts failed, (wood broke) not the glue joints. Motor flew off still running for several yards, almost hitting his other model. Anyway I'm building a brand new model for that motor, a new in the box Goldberg Shoestring Stunter. The .29 RedHead is actually listed as recommended on the plans too!

That is not a top flite prop; the blade shape is all wrong. Ditch that plug too. It shouldn't quit like that when you disconnect the glow driver.

Similar to the Journeyman - but not exactly

@sonex413

3 жыл бұрын

We are going to try to get a message back to the friend who sent us the plane and see if he can do some research at his end, possibly even find out the name of the original builder. We'd love to give him credit for his build in a future video!