Reminding yall to please be civil in the comments. I haven't seen anything vile enough to delete yet, but its getting close. 🤏

@thatniggakay

Жыл бұрын

This was the WORST take I’ve ever had the displeasure of having to listen to.

@meltymilo

Жыл бұрын

oh I've read that pretty religeously LOL! its really cute and I think the enviromental messaging is cool. the visual storytelling is super good too. I don't have much to say about it, but ricky is my favorite character

@kramooo9666

Жыл бұрын

@@meltymilo same also love Neet and the trashdad

@kramooo9666

Жыл бұрын

@@meltymilo but would love for more people to check it out you could introduse people to it just by talking about it

@laobok

Жыл бұрын

@@thatniggakay There should be a law in that naturally congested people should not engage in public speaking.

So basically if you set aside the creators past. Its generally just a pretty boring romcom comic that webtoons constantly promotes, so its partially hated because "hating popular thing is cool" and partially hated because its just, a bit cringe and not very good.

@Andyatl2002

Жыл бұрын

It also has to do with the marketing for it, I don’t know if it would get this much attention if it wasn’t even being promoted with like voice overs

@boowompthecat

Жыл бұрын

@@Andyatl2002 like I said "hate because it's popular"

@nerdynekoma

Жыл бұрын

@@boowompthecat Sounds pretty much like it. Besides the boring and slight cringe aspects, I was thrilled to see a comic where polygamy was treated as something normal so why do LGBTQIA people (only a small portion I assume) hate on it in particular?

@Joemama-nm4mi

Жыл бұрын

Also the dialogue. Like the blond guy once literally says "uwu! chocco!" in the webcomic like hes three years old

@nerdynekoma

Жыл бұрын

@@Joemama-nm4mi Yeah, it's cringe occasionally but does that make the whole comic problematic?

For those who complain about they’re not being enough drama, boyfriend seems to be like those comics you would read from the newspaper. It’s all about the interaction and the humor.

@khimjardin6482

Жыл бұрын

Yes, the main genre is "slice of life" not "drama", they rly can't find it in the webtoon XD

@lunarla123

Жыл бұрын

@@khimjardin6482 Exactly! But for some reason, there are people who can't differentiate the two.

@-Yep000-

Жыл бұрын

Sometimes ya just dont wanna read drama ya'know? Sooo i like slice of life

@RedPilotl02

Жыл бұрын

Though it has no joke, it's just bad.

Why can’t we have drama-free, slow-paced and cute/funny lgbt stories? Not every lgbtq+ story has to be a tragedy

@iopuir

11 ай бұрын

Aint to way this kid say funny/cute lgbt stories💀

@uluc0

10 ай бұрын

Because its attractive that way refer to creative writing even the most fun and easy going comics has something to be anxious of.

@ceton1843

10 ай бұрын

idk make one if thats what you want

@poison69506

10 ай бұрын

wdym???comic is literally about 4 teenagers cheating at each other

@belynda1224

9 ай бұрын

@@poison69506 you have clearly never heard of polyamorous relationships. Poly relationships are relationships between three or more people. All of them are aware of each other and love each other equally. They exist in real life too, believe it or not. The problem with the comic is how stereotypical it is.

I think part of the reason everyone hates this comic for having "simple" characters is because everyone this generation seems to be obsessed with story-driven things. Which isn't a bad thing, I am myself too. It just seems like most people hate it whenever something doesn't have some underlying meta plot they can make theories about or some angst stuff. Overall, I don't get why they don't just find something else to read.

@ExtremeWreck

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, definitely that. Explains why Uncle Grandpa got hated back then.

@vexywexypoo

25 күн бұрын

I can't read a story just for the romance. I can if it's really short like a fanfic one-shot, but the romance being the sole plot just isn't for me.

@Unknown-Alice

25 күн бұрын

​@@vexywexypoo Thats totally valid! Only problem is if your opinion makes you blind to the fact that it may not cater to you and that thats ok, otherwise its definitly mot everyone's cup of tea ^^

One of the most annoying takes people have for this series is the "Goth is a Transgender Stereotype." complaint, its dumb. It stems from the fact that he has "transgender qualities." ie. talking about his binder and having the trans flag. That is not a stereotype, he's just trans. And the only time he's ever talked about being trans (as far as i remember) is in the pride month chapters let me repeat, that the PRIDE MONTH chapters. edit: also this is the first time ive actually seen the ads for it, and holy shit those lines were supposed to be satirical wtf, *especially* the chocky milk one. i swear webtoon is the one sexualizing these characters, not the author.

@NexusAkayuki

Жыл бұрын

Right. Because if there's something irl trans people literally NEVER EVER do, is talk about being trans, discuss their binders & own/wear trans flags. /s Much stereotype. Such unrealistic

@queenj8886

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY💯👏 THANK YOU

@sodaglum9963

Жыл бұрын

@@TheBuggiestKing A transmasc person can be stereotyped in ways such as how they act sort of like a caricature to what they actually are, for example Drag Queens. Most of the time they're not trans and Drag is simply just an art form but I've seen some transphobic people make memes by using drag as a way to stereotype trans people even tho they're not the same thing. But yeah I get your point, Goth is a stereotype for your typical goth streamer bf however he isn't a trans stereotype.

@jsjsjsjsjsuxhwns1527

Жыл бұрын

Bruh you dont how much the author is sexualizing them its just fan service for those straight teen girls istg

@felinefiend3961

Жыл бұрын

@@jsjsjsjsjsuxhwns1527 it’s really not WEBTOON does the ads not the author

Really glad to see a more nuanced and neutral take on this. Sure Boyfriends doesn’t have any depth to it and it’s extremely (often painfully) campy, but the amount of hate it gets is ridiculous. There’s nothing really problematic about it. Really feels like a lot of people in the lgbtq community don’t know what they want in terms of rep these days. Healthy romance? Trivializing and stereotypical apparently. Romance with some unhealthy aspects/personal baggage? Romanticization of abuse apparently. It feels like there’s just no winning for big lgbtq+ creators. If even fluff is considered problematic now, what are you supposed to make? :/

@meltymilo

Жыл бұрын

genuinely, this ^^ lol

@juliaithinal4835

Жыл бұрын

its cute, its funny, and the charcaters are adorable each in there own way, (like goth being a cat every so often.) just enjoy there cuteness and move on!

@nerdynekoma

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I don't get the hate either. Taking anything the author (I'm not really familiar with him other than he created "boyfriends") has done before aside, I don't understand the controversy. Sure you can criticize the writing and lack of drama at times but it's not like those are reasons to "hate" something. I don't consider the comic offensive in any way, it honestly seems to be a bit of a stretch to see it that way, so it comes down to if you don't like it don't read it. From everything I heard (which aside from this video and reading the entire first season of the comic itself, isn't much) it doesn't harm anyone. I was just happy to find a comic about a healthy polyamorous relationship.

@juliaithinal4835

Жыл бұрын

@@nerdynekoma and there all adorable dorks. And the colors are awesome.

@k.7312

Жыл бұрын

facts

when i went into boyfriends, i went in purely because of the polyamorous rep (i myself am polyam, as well as non-binary and sapphic), which essentially doesn’t exist anywhere, so i was excited to see something like a webtoon centered around a polyamorous relationship. after the first three or so episodes, it became very clear that the webtoon was based on stereotypes, but as far as i was aware and felt, not LGBTQ ones. i assumed from that point that the entire schtick of boyfriends is stereotypes, except they’re your typical highschool clique stereotypes: jock, nerd, prep, goth, etc, and im fine with that. they’re in every high school coming of age movie, so i was more or less like “hey! high school groups personified that’s kinda neat” and i went on enjoying it more or less and then i went online and. bruh (the ads are fucking shit tho lmfao)

@ExtremeWreck

Жыл бұрын

They probably have only seen stuff like Gravity Falls or Avatar: The Last Airbender or The Owl House.

@bruh8646

Жыл бұрын

HEY REL LOL I didnt really see much adds but yeh comic is super cute And damn I never sort of ket any other poly enby sapphic like... idk wanna talk somewhere or smth?? 🕵🕵✨✨✨

@commandercorl1544

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the comic is pretty cute and nice looking, but the ads are hellspawns.

@thrownstair

Жыл бұрын

It's just marshmallow diabetes level of fluffy, not many thoughts, head mostly empty. I think it's just that ads are annoying and being a hater is fun.

@table2.0

7 ай бұрын

@@thrownstairbut people get so bent out of shape and serious about it though- it’s not just fun hatedom or hate-reading it, people are genuinely upset at it for no reason..

I've seen folks complain that Prep is a gay stereotype when funnily enough he isn't. He's a Prep stereotype which just happens to fall in alot of similar slots as the effeminate gay man. The characters are all stereotypes of their social group and title But even if this wasn't the case, why is it so bad for him to be effeminate? It's not like he's the only gay character in the comic, he's literally with three other guys who don't act like a flamboyant diva boy. Yes folks shouldn't use only gay stereotype characters to represent us but if they aren't the only gay character I really don't see an issue. Effeminate gay men exist in real life, just look at all the celebrities you see who are openly gay and using super femme slang

@khimjardin6482

Жыл бұрын

Just like how masc lesbians are more accepted and are the "real" lesbians than the feminine ones. Femme gay men aren't accepted and prejudiced by masc gay men. Btw for those "not all" defenders out there, reading comprehension, if the shoe fits, wear it.

@ramilcacaos4357

Жыл бұрын

Yeah i wear prep style cause it does match me but why are strangers thinking im gay im bi this also happened to my boy bf(bestfriend) he got harassed by a karen saying stop being gay but hes straight

@Homodemon

Жыл бұрын

Is just so weird that people desperately fight to disintegrate reductive social roles and unlabel actions as inherently "masculine" and "feminine" yet, when a gay character acts a bit feisty, everyone reacts like the end of the world is near cuz this gay MAN speaks on a high voice and or uses make up or is emotional and a drama queen... Cuz you know That is such a womanly way to act 🙄

@muddashucka9743

Жыл бұрын

​@@ramilcacaos4357 gay stereotypes.

@this_Kwazicat

Жыл бұрын

I laugh so hard when people criticise just having a flamboyant sassy gay in a media as " unrealistic" when my deskmate from high school was literally that. He liked fashion, liked musicals, he was a huge diva, knew his wine ( I DO NOT SUPPORT UNDERAGE DRINKING BUT WE ALL WERE YOUNG AND STUPID ONCE), had dominantly girl friends ( his best friend was a girl who was supper into fashion too and she was a huge ball of sunshine and TV star energy) and generally was a nice guy. We were not very close, but I know that girls in his friend group did not see him as 'a token gay'. He was just a friend. We lost contact, sadly, but from all of my guy friends he was one of the funniest to be around, cause we shared an interest in fashion and our musical tastes were similar so we often discussed high end fashion shows and music albums.

As bisexual person, I was honestly surprised by people’s hatred towards this WEBTOON. I thought it was pointlessly cute, I don’t LOVE it but I certainly wouldn’t waste my time criticizing it. My first reaction to it was, “Wait, you’re taking this sugary, without substance, short comic seriously??” Idk why people talk about it likes it’s a big thematic LGBT story when it’s obviously not trying to be that.

@bumblebeeproductions1673

Жыл бұрын

Well, when the creator is racist and stereotypical- yeah-

@chloesantos8637

Жыл бұрын

@@bumblebeeproductions1673 Wasn’t that 10 years ago? When they said the n-word/other stuff at 14, right? At any rate, idk and idc what the creator did, I’m just stating my opinion on the WEBTOON. Also the stereotypes (jock, prep, goth, nerd) are the point, who looks at it and thinks their getting something else??

@bumblebeeproductions1673

Жыл бұрын

@@chloesantos8637 the gay stereotypes, not the school ones

@slightlyexpiredyoghurt

Жыл бұрын

@@bumblebeeproductions1673 jk rowling is problematic as fuck but ppl still love harry potter so?

@brittanypaulette6533

Жыл бұрын

@@bumblebeeproductions1673 again, the stereotypes are the whole point. Also why everyone says that about the boyfriends but not the girlfriends?

I think a lot of the Cringe comes from the poorly directed voice acting. Me and my friends say that kind of shit all the time. the change is that the actors didnt put any irony into the slang

@NameName-yj7lp

Жыл бұрын

Hear me out the voice acting sucks I’m sorry I just I hate it- they made prep moan when it’s not supposed to sexual it was just him complaing about work. And goths voice is so DRY LIKE PLEASE HAVE SOME WATER

@sunflowersgacha4081

Жыл бұрын

@@NameName-yj7lp not to mention “MeE WaNT MoRe HOwT ChOcKkKJyHuG !1!1!1!1!1!!1!1!1!1!1!1”

@Mintii000

Жыл бұрын

@@NameName-yj7lp Agreed. Goth's voice sounds like the Sahara desert 🥲

@hanarielgodlike9283

Жыл бұрын

Don't worry, just be yourself and dont mind what random people you never met wil think, Everything is cringe for somebody in the world, I for instance find this whole video kinda cringy. So if you can't please everyone. please yourself.

@grimai3257

Жыл бұрын

Lmao me and my friends constantly scream-moan "a maaAAAAn!!!" at eachother

The worst thing I’ve heard from bfs hater is that the “gfs” are better.. atp it’s just internal gayphobia and pandering to lesbians more bc they are more usually shown or even sexualized in American media. They are quite literally the same characters with a genderswap 😭😭

@Dante_yo_son_of_sparda_yo77

Жыл бұрын

Wtf is gfs I've never heard of it

@radsiick

Жыл бұрын

@@Dante_yo_son_of_sparda_yo77 she mentioned it in the video, it’s just the side girl characters

@dedevilman

Жыл бұрын

literally people saying "THE GFS ARE BETTER SAVE THEMMM" and the gfs are literally the same characters but girls lmaooo its just lesbians hating gay men for no reason and i say this as a lesbian lol

@radsiick

Жыл бұрын

@@dedevilman thank you for being actually sane unlike those people

@radsiick

Жыл бұрын

@MR Hamster yes this too

I just read it when I feel "I am braindead and want to see two-dimensional characters muck about" and I kind of like the artstyle. When my brain is too tired to handle story it is a good place to turn to.

@mayayamato7351

Жыл бұрын

yeah not everything has to have depth or be someones cup of tea, sometimes shit can just be chill and goofy and dumb. and its okay to be that!

@camilascatonebedin3002

Жыл бұрын

Literally me lol, just want some fluff

@daychild_

Жыл бұрын

Oo I kinda wanna read it now :o

@muddashucka9743

Жыл бұрын

based

@Thefishisthefish

2 ай бұрын

Where do you read it?

EDIT: editing this just to specify that im mlm (transmasc bisexual) i dont want anyone to assume things im glad someone actually took the time to research this. as much as the creator may be deemed as problematic, calling it homophobic, fetishizing gay people is just too much for me ngl. as basic as it can be, the creator is transmasc and gay so its sad how something can just be hated on only because its deemed "cringe". i agree the ads arent the best and kind of embarrassing sometimes, but i think its not the first time i see something like that from webtoons lmao. before i got somewhat bored of it i really didnt think of it as offensive.

@chokoooreto

Жыл бұрын

but yeah, when it all started i remember that everyone loved it? its just weird and about refrainbow, when he said the n word he was 14? wtf? its just stupid to me that people would jump on a hate bandwagon only because they dont like someone (not justifying what he did in general i didnt follow all drama that involve them at all so i cant really speak about that, but im very against people that bring up shit that happened more than 5 years ago)

@nerdynekoma

Жыл бұрын

I agree, I actually happen to really like the comic even though slice of life is usually not my thing because of the lack of drama. But I'm in a polyamorous relationship myself and it was pretty nice to see what I thought was a good representation of that. Of course, this is a very specific type of polyclu but the relationship is not toxic or anything and I don't get the thing about fetishizing same-sex relationships in regards to that comic at all. Then again I have never seen the ads

@klemots

Жыл бұрын

All webtoons suck

@hazzahannah

Жыл бұрын

He made nerd a pro shipper 💀

@eli-mh5dp

Жыл бұрын

It’s fine but then the nerd gets a little too 13 year old girl bait lmao I liked the comic but then the nerd ruined it all for me also he’s a proshipper

One thing that's not talked about is how the author is from SEA, a fairly LGBT-hostile environment. I live in Asia, so I can see why the author is clumsy at handling gay/trans/poly people despite being a gay transmasc, there isn't a lot of material you can go over. A lot of Korean BL webtoons I saw, although there are some gems out there, are pretty fetishy. I never saw a Korean slice of life BL webtoon since most of them are sexual and/or dark. If anything, the whole webtoon feels like an escapist work so the author can be loved without being judged for his gender or sexuality. I've seen so much comments of the author is 'a fujoshi who's faking to be trans and gay' which is... violently anti-LGBTQ. It's ironic to see people fall back on their own rhetoric of the author being transphobic and homophobic. This backlash may be pushing the author to not research more because he'll associate valid criticism to the cancel group. The mob anger is understandable, a lot of people are disappointed the most popular gay comic is Boyfriends when there is other literature or comics with better writing, but I think flat out slander crosses the line. Personally Boyfriends is not my taste, the writing is flat compared to other slice of life I've seen. But I think the hate is overblown and callous, to not take in account of how different SEA is compared to more progressive countries.

What confuses me when people dislike Boyfriends is, have they never heard of romcoms? Or newspaper comics? Media that's just meant to be simple and fun? The characters are simple because you're supposed to be able to jump in and understand the general cast right away. It reminds me of monster high or shows like that, which isn't a bad thing. I also don't understand when other LGBTQ people are actively seeking out chapters to dislike as if it's bad. IDK man I'm from a small very anti-LGBTQ village so growing up I would've loved Boyfriends and content like it, it's good escapism and just lighthearted. If it was more heavy and went into depth on the trauma queer people face it wouldn't be the same story and wouldn't do what it does best. A lot of the dislike people vocalize for it feels like trying to change the story into a different genre of story they would like better. When in reality there is value in the story just as it is right now, it's cute and sweet and something I can recommend to LGBTQ youths in my community alongside stuff like Owl House and other friendly media, its important

@khimjardin6482

Жыл бұрын

I agree with this. It's an escapism work meant to lighten up the mood. If it were to deep dive into the reality of coming out or being a queer person, it would mostly have a painful, traumatic, and unbearable storyline. Most, if not all, live in a society where homophobia is prominent. Much more inside a household. It's rly to escape from reality. The more it is shown in works like this that being a queer person isn't even a "bad" because of how healthy it is being presented, it will be normalized soon as more and more ppl get exposed to healthy stories

@gachacows6432

Жыл бұрын

I dunno I'm pretty sure I've never seen a newspaper comic with 4 uwu boys wanting to have a 4some all day

@hildamistwater8206

Жыл бұрын

@@gachacows6432 Ok but if you read newspaper comics you probably have seen how there's like an infinite amount of ones where the premise is a dude who wants to get with several different women. It probably isn't intentional but it's good to self reflect on why you only notice and critique cheesy writing if it's LGBTQ but don't react if it isn't

@khimjardin6482

Жыл бұрын

@@gachacows6432 r u shaming those who have high libido? Even I, as someone who has low libido, don’t judge others who likes to engage in a healthy sex life. You are clearly short sighted

@seventeenseventythirteen7465

Жыл бұрын

It's always so odd that whenever bad romcoms exist, not much real attention at all, sure they get called bad because they usually are but nothing special... Now make it about two dudes then suddenly it's super important to talk about how much you hate it and how bad it is.

Honestly, I've never really seen a problem with Boyfriends, it's always kind of been just a lighthearted comic with really no weight. Being in the community, and talking to others in the community, I've never heard a bad thing about it, unless it was these little straight "ally" girls talking to me about how wrong the comic is. It's just a meh-type controversy in my opinion, not a gay in my life has said anything bad about it, only straights, it's weird.

@emo_freak_

Жыл бұрын

Yess

@alexandraicaza7064

Жыл бұрын

Just like my giant nerd boyfriend, a light read

@emotheratt

4 ай бұрын

Yepp

Am I the only one to think it's not a bad thing to have a "boring" "cringe" or just a simple lgbt story ? Like it's def not a bad thing, I'd even say it's great ! Let queer artists do cringe things ! I'm bi and nb and honestly I like this comic ! The huge harassment received is insane and tbh quite undeserved ! Anyways, amazing video, thank you very much !

@nerdynekoma

Жыл бұрын

Right?! I usually don't read "boring" or "pure fluff" to put it a bit more nicely but that doesn't mean the work is bad. Just that it isn't for me. As long as it's not harming anyone why hate on something. We (LGBTQIA+ community) should understand that best. Of course, harmful behavior needs to be called out but I just don't see what is supposed to be offensive about this comic and I'm polyamorous myself (thats also why I read it even though its "just slice of life" and I really liked it. Had to take a pause in the middle form season on though because it got a bit "too boring" for me person)

@kyungsoon4616

Жыл бұрын

I mean I like baggage stories and fluff and smut, and is too boring, but I don't see anything really wrong with this comic, from what I have seen, the characters are all adults, and polyamory relationships exist. So I don't understand all the hate, I mean is there anything offensive about this comic or the series??

@nerdynekoma

Жыл бұрын

@@kyungsoon4616 Not that I know of. This is what confuses me so much. I was thrilled to see what I think of as a very healthy relationship, they always ask for consent and attempt to communicate openly, and as you said they are all adults so yeah I don't get it.

@Renge_Vtuber

Жыл бұрын

@@nerdynekoma yeah exactly ! There's nothing harmful and it's just a boring little slice of life and tbh I'm quite satisfied with this ! I feel like having cringe, boring stories is a good thing honestly, because it's also a way for LGBTQ authors to just put something out there, just like the thousands of cringe, boring straight stories there are !

@Renge_Vtuber

Жыл бұрын

@@kyungsoon4616 No there's nothing wrong, just people being overly critical and mean about this. It's a big cringe, but I wouldn't say it's a "bad" thing !

I honestly quite enjoyed this webtoon. I think people blindly follow hate trends without thinking much for themselves. You only head 'it's bad' or 'it's cringe' and you can guess most haven't even read it. They'll eventually grow up and realise how silly this is

Honestly I like boyfriends. As a gay guy, I think everyone's a little overdramatic? Sure, the ads are horrible, but the webtoon is not bad. Nerd IS hella annoying sometimes though so I get why people hate them, but the hate for the webtoon is really not that justified.

@cajunking5987

Жыл бұрын

Say, are you FtM?

@beepboop2842

Жыл бұрын

@@cajunking5987 you don't ask people this question you weirdo

@cajunking5987

Жыл бұрын

@@beepboop2842 yes I do 🥱

@beepboop2842

Жыл бұрын

@@cajunking5987 ur creepy. most of the ppl that asked this mean it in bad faith

@cajunking5987

Жыл бұрын

@@beepboop2842 cool

"trivializing lgbt relationships" wh...why is it a bad thing for them to be "trivialized"? doesn't that basically mean "nomalize"?

@paigemosher8697

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it seems like the people jumping on the hate bandwagon don't actually understand the half-witted "points" they're trying to make to justify shallow, stupid hatred of an unproblematic story just because it's popular and, like the nine-year-olds like to say, "cringe".

@makotonaegi4419

Жыл бұрын

Trivalize & normazlize I’m much different things lol

@ExeErdna

Жыл бұрын

@@makotonaegi4419 They're not to become "normal" you have to become trival. Look at all the bottom of the trash bin hetero content that's out there. The LGBT gonna have to deal with TLC/Lifetime/Hallmark channel brand level of content sooner or later. To be normal is to be cringe, to be cringe is to be trival.

@thepinkestpigglet7529

Жыл бұрын

Normalize: It ain't a big deal to be gay Trivialize: Homophobia aint a big deal

@makotonaegi4419

Жыл бұрын

@@ExeErdna trivialize is to make something less of a big deal than what it actually is something doesn’t mean to be normalized like yiu can trivialize how the Canadian government discriminates against native Americans that doesn’t make it any less of a big deal.

i dont know if i misunderstood some off what u said, but ace people don't feel sexual attraction (can still fell plenty of other types) but they can still have libido, it just kinda varies like how it does for allo people. basically attraction don't equal libido :)

@sg9099

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@crypt-dweller

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!! ^^^

@caspergotlost

Жыл бұрын

yep! Ace = no sexual attraction, but may or may not have sex drive

@klltsun_2576

Жыл бұрын

So like, they can have the body feelings because hormones (libido), but they dont look at a person and immediately want to have sex with them (sexual attraction) like non-ace people seem to sometimes do?

@autisticatlas2223

Жыл бұрын

@@klltsun_2576 yea something like that, like how a heterosexual woman would feel about other women, just with all genders. They can still experience romantic attraction tho.

Thank you! As an lqbt person, the boyfriends webtoon isn't problematic, I actually like reading it, especially if I don't want to read anything with drama, it's like a filler webcomic for me- and not a mainstream thing

@coconut8800

Жыл бұрын

I’m not lgbt so I can’t speak on that part but I have seen many lgbt people who disagree find it cringe etc or would agree with my opinion but I respect urs and I’m obviously gonna listen to the others person pov especially since ur lgbt yourself but now it’s my turn to speak specifically abt the n word drama I don’t think that’s ok at all theirs no justification to it despite his young age I’m young too but I know better and it’s a hurtful word it’s a choice if a blk person wan to forgive them or not and personally as a black person I do not not yet atleast being young or in the past doesn’t mean it’s ok & also the minor p#rn art is disgusting too

@gray629

Жыл бұрын

I personally don't like to talk about the creator, I'm not black person, so I can't speak on that behalf the n word controversy, and as for the minor p-rn art, because it's real people, I'm not okay with it, maybe if it was like a fictional character maybe I could have looked past it or something because it's a real person I find it gross

@cajunking5987

Жыл бұрын

As a gay man it is problematic. It’s not representative of us, and it fetishizes us. Made by a fujoshi, for fujoshis 🥱

@dedevilman

Жыл бұрын

@@cajunking5987 the creator is literally a gay trans man tf are u talking about??? just say you're transphobic and go dude

@LilyNightMoon

Жыл бұрын

yeah. agree with you Leaf. I never understood why it was so hated. the stereotypes? on purpose. the fetishes? probably on purpose too. however everyone has a different opinion so I can't have a whole say in it.

i think what gets me the most is when people either purposefully call or spread misinfo on the author being a white straight woman when theyre a southeast asian gay trans man

@sunnyv7745

Жыл бұрын

Ohh I didn't know they were South East Asian but yeah people might be assuming that due to the way this comic is written like most other BL stories on webtoon and other platforms, which I'm sure the author was inspired by.

@ExtremeWreck

Жыл бұрын

They're from Indonesia specifically & Indonesia is well... kind of not a very friendly place for LGBT+ folk.

@gilliantoh4658

Жыл бұрын

@@ExtremeWreck that's shown when ray drew his characters in traditional muslim garb as part of an AU to celebrate eid and many muslim indonesians flamed him for being blasphemous.

@ExtremeWreck

Жыл бұрын

@@gilliantoh4658 Then again, a gay person having a very Islamic family would probably want to LEAVE said family if they're a bit *too* much into that religion.

@gilliantoh4658

Жыл бұрын

@@ExtremeWreck that really depends bc depending on how radical your environment is (esp given indonesia's strict laws), they probably won't be safe if outed or suspected. There's also a lot of complication. Ive seen some of these antis threaten to notify local authorities so thats legit concerning

My 2 cents, and I suppose I'm suppose to intro that I'm bi- For me, simple things have enough nuance that this is what got me to believe poly relationships can be functional. Because so far the media I've consumed, from terribly shallow harems to angsty love triangles don't terribly feel sustainably. Not to mention how saturated media tries to normalize power dynamics over HEALTHY communication. I understand thanks to this series, not to mention, CONSENT.

@nerdynekoma

Жыл бұрын

Yes! The comic is great in showing a healthy poly relationship and the importance of consent, I love that about it! When I read it I was starting to figure out that I might like more than one person and I loved reading about polygamy as if it was already normal and accepted in society, which is what the comic displayed.

@NameName-yj7lp

Жыл бұрын

@@nerdynekoma N me too! The characters have their issues but talk and walk through it

@cakefrosting6451

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! They at least understand the concept of consent and healthy communication.

I read the Webtoon long before people started hated on it and while I dropped it eventually, I was shocked at how angry people were being because of it. I'm so glad this video was the first Boyfriends video essay I chose to watch and not any of the more vicious ones. I appreciate the level of nuance this video had.

I watched every ep, loved every ep, had 0 complaints, and I'm shocked that ppl hated this

@CoeGr

Жыл бұрын

Same here! I was just looking at the ratings of webtoons I read and I was so confused why it was so low.

@narutolikestoes9028

Жыл бұрын

@@CoeGr same lol, just ppl who wanna be offended by everything and not know how to enjoy life

@soldier_CAT

11 ай бұрын

i never read boyfriends but looking at the dubs on youtube they are good and im also suprised people hate it

@Duskxdawnx

Күн бұрын

Dang natsuki

@narutolikestoes9028

22 сағат бұрын

@@Duskxdawnx NATSUKI APROVES OF IT HMPH!

I honestly like the cringe lovey dovey stuff every once in a while, it's like a good break from slow burns, drama stuff and such Plus this was the first good, healthy representation of a poly relationship that I have seen on media So you could imagine how happy I was when people were reading it because, being polyamorous myself, a lot of people think badly of it from other media sources thinking that's it's an excuse people use to cheat

its whatever dawg, as someones whos NB and Bi, i could literally care less, let people like what they want, for me it only becomes my problem if it starts to affect me

@gummy_fruit7635

Жыл бұрын

Fr, I dont like the comic at all, I just think it's cringe and the characters are insufferable, but like what you like as long as you dont bother me. The only real dislike I've had with some boyfriends fans were ones I met personally, who just happened to be very annoying and problematic people. I honestly don't like the creator and don't think that it's really a good story, but I won't hate anyone who likes it.

@otakunation7625

Жыл бұрын

@@gummy_fruit7635 honestly thank you, i really appriate that as someone who enjoys the comic form time to time

@khimjardin6482

Жыл бұрын

@@gummy_fruit7635 true true sometimes a lighthearted story isnt my cup of tea from time to time. I'm the type to like more complicated plots and deeper lores but I do need to take a break from those and just enjoy a lil comfort and restful read from time to time!

As an ace, yeah I do have sex drives and have sex but it is simply not in my mind all the time, sometimes I do feel it but can't have sex. People are different and not everyone is the same, people are all spectrums we can't just expect for people to feel all the same😊😊

@nikkiralaniakea9527

Жыл бұрын

Non-asexual people don’t have it in their minds all the time either. If you’re ace and have sex, then what determines you wanting to do it with someone if you’re not attracted to them?

@wirelessmotion

Жыл бұрын

@@nikkiralaniakea9527 hey, aroace here. Some asexual people have sex for the intimacy or emotional and physical connection with their partner/s. Other aces can just have sex for fun and the pleasure.

@sherumayu

Жыл бұрын

@@nikkiralaniakea9527 I’m not quite on the libido spectrum of asexuality but I had someone who is have it explained to me once: basically sex is done for the pure pleasure of sex itself from an asexual who experiences libido, not from doing it with a certain person who you find sexually attractive. Sexual _attraction_ to a person doesn’t happen to any asexual, as far as I’m aware, but the desire to have sex for sex itself can happen. I’m sure if I got this wrong (which I apologize heavily for if that’s the case), someone else who is on the libido side can explain it for me because I’m aromantic too lol

@nikkiralaniakea9527

Жыл бұрын

@@sherumayu oh ok I guess that makes sense. Then again I guess there also has to be some kind of aesthetic aspect to asexual people. I doubt they do it with any person just for the sake of having sex.

@applesource8261

Жыл бұрын

@@nikkiralaniakea9527 When talking about Asexuality its important to not mix attraction with desire (libido). Its possible to want to have sex because someone simply enjoys the act or to make their partner happy or plenty of other reasons. There just isnt a sexual attraction that makes an asexual person need this in a relationship. Plus, the asexual spectrum is a apectrum so some people that identify with terms under the asexual umbrella someitmes still feel sexual attraction.

Straight romances that are simple, slice of life with no big plot with characters entirely based on stereotypes (*cough* Komi san): *internet sleeps* Gay romance doing the same thing: THIS IS PROBLEMATIC

@wilgirlbuot2393

Жыл бұрын

This is so true! As a member of the LGBT community myself... I am highly disappointed at this community... they really love sabotaging our own community ... They love to sabotage representation of people in our community... I thought we fought for our rights because we don't want to be put in a small box by straight cis people... but it seems like we have become our own enemies and oppressors... lgbt people have now felt so entitled as to decide what's acceptable and what's not acceptable... At this rate, they are no longer different from homophobes... Instead of actually fighting and combating the people who oppressed us for who we are, discriminated us for our lifestyles, and are strongly against our existence (ie homophobes, Transphobes, anti-LGBT)... it seems like the people of the lgbt community is more busy attacking their own fellow lgbt and wreaking havoc on medias representing the different people of the community (just because it didn't meet their standards).. truly disappointing... The LGBT community have truly become wayy too toxic... We shouldn't expect respect and acceptance from others especially when we cannot even provide it towards people within our community... We really need to figure our shit up... This is the reason why instead of gaining respect and acceptance from people we are just getting more blatant hate... because we tend to put more hate on each other instead of having each other's back because we are fellow lgbts. majority of people from the LGBT community just loves to over complicate things, make everything an issue, are too perfectionist and demanding, are against of even the tiniest little flaws even tho all of us have those, wants everything to be pleasant and doesn't want to see a little bad side... All of this makes the community so toxic Nowadays... we all can't gain acceptance and respect from people if we cannot fix these very immature and toxic things majority of members from our community have always keep on doing... This is why we never get good things ..

Also i think the creator of the comic lives in a place where they cant be openly gay or trans. i think the comic was supposed to just be what it is yk? bland cute fluff that you don't read into. like no shit its unrealistic, its meant to be something you don't stress over

I think the advertising hurt the comic. Granted I got burnt out with yaoi because of how weird it's become and it was nice to enjoy. Back then. Now it's like Marvel pushing out show and movie consistently. The product becomes devoid of story and lack of interest. But even if I personally feel that way, nobody should take the enjoyment away from others. Just let people enjoy the product if they want and don't harass the creator. There's no need for harassment. Not all content is for everyone and that's completely fine. ^^

I like the boyfriends webcomic despite what people say the art is cute, I don't really find the characters stereotypical and the story doesn't have to be something great it's good for what it is

@nerdynekoma

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it would be more stereotypical if Jock was a total jerk, nerd even shyer, and incapable of flirting, goth "depressed" and prep arrogant 😆 I thought it was pretty obvious that the "names" were more or less a joke.

@queenj8886

Жыл бұрын

I so mad at the ads 💢 I personally really like it, I don't get the extreme hate, yes it's divided into specific boyfriend stereotypes. Buts it's super wholesome & they still have their own character & it's super cute as simple cheesy slice of life. I think they actually go over some healthy stuff. Compared to shit BL's out there.

@nerdynekoma

Жыл бұрын

@@queenj8886 Exactly! I one hundred percent agree! It's such a healthy relationship! The way they communicate and always ask for consent is perfect! We need more of that. I also don't really like the ads (I watched them the first time after this video) though honestly, I would love to see the whole series animated like that just with a bit more budget for the voice acting 😅

@queenj8886

Жыл бұрын

@@nerdynekoma I'm glad I have someone that understands & can agree with me about the comic. And right the ads, the script & voice acting did the comic so dirty, however if it was done right as an animated show it would've of been cute✨ The comic should be demonized as much as it, people are so rude & disrespectful about it for the fun of it

@jasperjazzie

Жыл бұрын

i do think the characters are a bit stereotypical, but that's also kind of the point, i mean their names are literally those of college clique stereotypes

everyday going to school there is a webtoon ad in the train station that has some photos of the boyfriend comic and it says "we believe 2d crushes are still crushes" help

@basilbat273

Жыл бұрын

Oh ew

@dejus_e

Ай бұрын

y’all take the train to school??

I came to this comic late, but I literally read every episode available as of August of 2023 twice in two days. It's not deep, it's not complex, it's not profound...but it doesn't pretend it is. It's cute guys doing cute things, it's there to make you happy. Not every piece of LGBT+ media needs to be layered and deep and blah blah whatever. This it a cute comic about young men who love each other. And "pandering to fujoshi..." okay... I'm a cis gay man. I read a lot of MM romance novels. There would not be a market for those novels without cishet women who like to read them. Sorry, it's true. I acknowledge that there is a weird type of fujoshi that needs to insert herself into a weird fantasy space where men hook up specifically for her enjoyment, but that's definitely the minority. Most fujoshi are just horny ladies who want to consume content where boys kiss each other, and there's not a goddamn thing wrong with that.

@gilliantoh4658

9 ай бұрын

Additionally the author is a trans man and is definitely playing around with his fantasies and what they would envision themselves to be, so definitely not a fujoshi. Wish people would give him a break already.

My main gripe with Boyfriends is that the plot and humor are the same quality as one-shots despite being moved to webtoon. The conflicts are currently way too simple to justify the length of a full webtoon chapter (or multiple) because everyone gets along way too well, and the humor also does not make use of the longer format (e.g. “choccy milk” and “no we just had sex for stress-relief” are not jokes that require any setup beyond maybe one additional sentence). There’s also no room to develop their romance further because they speedran that in the first 30 chapters or so.

@nerdynekoma

Жыл бұрын

True. I took a pause reading in the middle of it because of the lack of drama but that is merely a flaw in writing so I still don't understand what people are so outraged by. If you don't like it, which is simply your personal opinion, don't read it. It's not like we're discussing the question of whether it's the best webtoon ever made. Aside from that being completely subjective I also probably wouldn't nominate "boyfriends" for that title even though I do like it.

@goombah8771

Жыл бұрын

Think the creator is from a pretty homophobic country. So its probably something of a wish fulfilment thing

@aqui0

Жыл бұрын

Same tbh. Other than that its just the cringe promo ads

@lore8984

Жыл бұрын

do you...not know what slice of life comics are???? the whole point is that the webtoon ISNT supposed to even have a deep story or conflicts, it's quite literally just fluff and light hearted comic strips. there's actually quite a lot of webtoons like that, under the slice of life category. it's SUPPOSED to be one-shots, not a story.

@nna_

Жыл бұрын

@@goombah8771 True. When I heard that he's a transmasc gay Indonesian, as a fellow queer Indonesian, my first response is "that's rough buddy". And yes, I will happily take that daily dose of wish fulfilment if that means I can cope for longer.

Before seeing the ads, I moderately enjoyed the webtoon, the slice-of-life style of the webcomic was a good way to fill space in my day. The ads felt very off, the voices were weird (nerd's voice just felt so strange and not right), and the animation rubbed me the wrong way. I still read the webcomic, but I don't like the ads.

Honestly, my biggest problem with the Boyfriends webtoon isn't the gay stereotypes or the fetishization (although that's not to say I'm a fan of those things) my biggest problem is the writing of the characters. Ofc, its a slice-of-life comic so the characters aren't going to have tons of layers and a unique backstory, character arc, ect,(and don't have to) but there are times in the comic where they just seem shallow and uninteresting. Most of them are honestly pretty annoying at times too ngl. Boyfriends isnt a terrible webtoon, its just not fantastic

@ethan-dgy

Жыл бұрын

what do you mean fetishization?

@khimjardin6482

Жыл бұрын

@@ethan-dgy I honestly dont know too. Ppl claim it is fetishization but dont elaborate as to why. The way I see it, it's cuz some of the characters are femme gay men and ppl dont like femme attributes. There's an interesting article of the similar treatment between masc gay men to femme gay men and straight men to women.

@ethan-dgy

Жыл бұрын

@@khimjardin6482 Also cause they probably assume the creator is a cis-het women, even though its the opposite.

@Homodemon

Жыл бұрын

You're reading a webcomic where the characters are called Nerd, Jock and Goth and yet you still have the balls to say they're one dimensional and flat.... Is like I think there's a joke in there. But I might've missed it.

tbh it just became "trendy" to hate on Ray and the comic, so everyone want to fit and be super woke. It's annoying and the type of thing that makes me hate fandoms. The webtoon is what it is, it's cheesy and extremely focused on being cute but why would that be such a big issue? not your cup of tea? cool. Close the tab, open a new one and search something else to read. I honestly feel bad for the author the amount of hate they received is uncalled for, totally unnecessary if people only had the ability to mind their own business. Anyways I'll keep reading manga and ignoring everyone's opinions online, I'm happier this way lol

@gilliantoh4658

Жыл бұрын

The misgendering and mocking the author is so counterproductive when i know many ppl want diverse stories, but how will that happen when they are eating their own?

Fun fact: Boyfriends pulled me out of the angst circle I've been for years now. Read angst, write angst, repeat. This cute and easy comic gave me hope in myself.

Yeah there, I can tell you're a pretty small youtuber but I just wanted to let you know that you're doing a great job. Usually people who don't have a large following and do these sorts of videos lack engagement in their content but I really enjoyed yours. It had nice pacing and was relevant and gave a different perspective that showed you research this individually and didn't just take opinions from other internet creators. Overall I really like your stuff and you were very entertaining to watch. Keep up the good work :)

Yeah, I used to read Boyfriends., and the plot isn't that interesting. And true, it's cringe at times, but Ray is self-aware and at times it makes it kind of funny. So yeah, I stopped reading it because it's not for me, honestly there are much worse WEBTOONs with muuuuch worse rep on the platform that just aren't as well-known so that's the reason people decide to dump on Boyfriends. the most, I think- Anyway, just because it's not MY cup of tea, doesn't mean that I should force it down my throat just so I could have a reason to complain about it. Also! Your voice is nice, great video

I don't have a problem with it misrepresenting LGBT poly relationship, I just think it's a poorly written comic with basic self insert characters.

it’s so commendable that you took the time to do research; i was definitely in the group that had no idea why this webcomic was so vehemently hated so this video was super informative! amazing job :)

Honestly, the only reason that I see it's hated so much is that it's popular and cringey. People are so very often not this opposing or even resentful of such stories that aren't (as) popular. While the story/characters are boring, simple, shallow and the representation is questionable to say the least, those traits have been HEAVILY observed and experienced throughout other stories, but due to their small fanbase and lack of prominence, the problematic traits are never the focus of the readers, even when it's about characters of marginalized groups or minorities. The criticisms about this webtoon comic are very fair, but the hate is being blown out of proportion simply because it stood out and is continuously being advertised as well, and more on, the cringey parts are further emphasized and shown while everyone just blatantly ignores the rather neutral or even nice bits it possesses, as scarce and untimely they may appear. And on the other hand, it's seen as something that is "it looked good, but it let us (lgbtq+ folks) down" and that's what the community keep making it as. Apart from other stories that are factually and irrefutably offensive, insulting, fetishizing, trivializing, stereotyping and gross, in which people just ignore it because "it's problematic so I won't even bother with it, because obviously, this story is a problem already and I'll just move on to consuming media that are actually good". I get that Boyfriends is a well known thing and lgbtq identities are being portrayed in something that so many people can see within media and it can open up a possibility to making such people with said identities be compared and equated to it. But it remains a fictional story, with childish characterization that people need to stop acting like one person or a few defines others as a whole, like some extreme collective categorization and observation (same goes for most things in media tbh). Hating it is really a bit much, when it's just some goofy ass plain slice of life, with added rainbows and bits of immaturity, literally not some book of the damned or a sociopathic bigot's diary regarding how society should be shaped in the image of their perspective TL;DR - people hate this story because it's popular, lame and embarrassing most of the time (not to mention, the internet grows more and more critical from/about/towards queer discourse), but so what? it's not decent, yes, but it ain't some horrible shitshow. Boyfriends is stupid, not awful (but that's mostly my opinion from what I've experienced anyway)

@khimjardin6482

Жыл бұрын

Fr. It's a lighthearted read, you're meant to lay back and not deeply think about it. It doesnt have any heavy plots cuz it's made to not make the readers overthink and feel strong emotions. As someone who loves heavy plots and drama, I do need a rest from time to time and slice of life comics are calming

honestly my main 2 issues with Boyfriends is "Goth" was never shown to be goth they nevee showed him listenting to the music or looking goth (yes ik you can be goth without looking like it but qithin a comic i feel it better shows he's goth) and that the poly rep is just very stereotypical which can get annoying but i can ignore it.

As a trans gay guy, boyfriends just feels like it was MADE for fujoshi girls

@lixxiin777

Жыл бұрын

yeah, like have you seen the comments on webtoon?

@AccardiDefender

Жыл бұрын

@@lixxiin777 They scare me sm and make my blood boil

@TransTornadoooo

Жыл бұрын

No

@Toshimi1043

Жыл бұрын

I can see that, especially with the ads feeling like an on-the-nose portrayal of all those yaoi fanfics from the 2000s. Horny fans ruin everything.

@Homodemon

Жыл бұрын

And written by a transman too! Imagine that.... What you're doing is not very cute by the way.

I will say one thing is that they literally made nerd to be a proshipper sooo take that as you will…

@EMSEYEE

Жыл бұрын

Oh. Didn't know that one yet.

@Jakeee108

Жыл бұрын

What’s a proshipper?

@EMSEYEE

Жыл бұрын

@@Jakeee108 Somebody who has paired anybody under the age requirement with somebody who is as over such requirement.

@sxdisticat

Жыл бұрын

@@Jakeee108 lemme give a more detailed meaning...They are people who make abusive and illegal ships (as well as make porn of these such ships)..Could be abuser x victim, child x adult (goes even to the point of shipping a literal baby with an adult and making p0rn of em), family member x family member and so much more...These people consume illegal content and produce illegal content ( ch*ld p*rn now as known as ch*ld expl*itation material- which is really disgusting)... . They go on claiming fiction doesnt affect reality (which does and hurt a lot of people in the process of sharing such crap in public) Some use trauma as a excuse saying its a coping mechanism which is really a lie cause they arent venting, but posting it in public, making profit of it and even fetishizing and romanisizing this...which is definately what they are doing (just using coping mech as a cover up) A lot of people- like minors are unaware of this and end up getting gr00med by adult proshippers (i am living proof) they share such disgusting content with them..(including p*rn and engage in s*xual acts with them as well- which is both illegal) They may tell minros to not interact with them but they go into childrens media and spaces and post them on children media tags...And by minors dont interact they are only interacting with minor proshippers..cause they are easy to target and they can share such content in secret with them..which is also counts as gr00ming... . Refrainbow himself claimed that nerd is a proshipper...and it doesnt make it better since nerd is a self insert of himself...And he hasnt mentioned anything abt this to the fans either which i would assume he is trying to cover up...still doesnt make it better that nerd acts all child like and is infantalized but also sexualized...

@Jakeee108

Жыл бұрын

@@sxdisticat oh, jeez that’s fucked up (I feel bad bc I don’t have a lot to say even tho u wrote me like an essay lol, I appreciate it)

I have not read Boyfriends since I've been occupying myself with EiF, Winter Moon, Ugly Princess Club, and Lore Olympus although it has been circulating throughout Twitter in a bad way to the point where people would just be homophobic. Normally I thought the webcomic would produce rabid fans since it has the same aesthetic to wholesome-like media such as Animal Crossing but that was wrong. Based on a few panels of the webcomic, it seems so wholesome and harmless yet almost everyone despise it while Heartstopper also has the same vibe and everyone praises it. This can also be said about the stigma of mlm (Gay) and wlw (Lesbian) content where many would give wlw a pass but condemn mlm for the same thing. If Ray or any CC did a webcomic named Girlfriends with the four side characters, chances are it'll be more accepted than its male counterpart.

@Jakeee108

Жыл бұрын

And it’s so stupid bc there are side characters who are the “girlfriends” who are also all dating and are literally the gender bents of the boys, but the difference is the gfs get praised while all the hate is towards the bfs

@miikapm2

Жыл бұрын

boyfriends and heartstopper are not similar at all. heartstopper (especially from chapter 3 onwards) actually feels like a story about gay people. not one-dimensional archetypes.

@Jakeee108

Жыл бұрын

@@miikapm2 the whole point is they are the stereotypes, there literally named after them🧍

@miikapm2

Жыл бұрын

@@Jakeee108 yeah ik thats why its not like heartstopper

@Jakeee108

Жыл бұрын

@@miikapm2 they said “the same vibe” meaning the cute art style and “wholesomeness” not the story line or characters. Sorry if I come off as rude I don’t mean to

This has got to be one of my favorite videos on this topic, mostly because of how civil you were when talking about it. The sheer amount of death threats/dox threats and other things along that line to people who just genuinely enjoy the fluff in the comic is absolutely insane. Trying to ask these people why they are so upset about the comic will only result in me getting the same threats too. It's such a breath of fresh air to see someone take the comic at face value instead of bandwagoning on hating it.

I wanna cry at the " please.. I've been a good boy😰😭"

I like your art style, especially the thumbnail, also your voice is like a lullaby, it made me watch the whole video lol

NO, I am asexual and have a sex drive. Asexual is the lack of sexual ATTRACTION, not libido. Some asexuals have high libido, and some allosexuals (people who are not asexual) have low libidos. Sex-favorable/sex-positive asexuals exist, and they're not just the demisexuals. Asexuality is a spectrum, and people who are asexual may choose to have sex for many different reasons including enjoying the closeness with their partner, wanting to please their partner, or even just enjoying the experience. The best way that I can describe it is similar to experiencing hunger. You might not be hungry and thinking about getting food, but someone might offer you a bag of chips. You accept the bag of chips because the chips taste good. Same with with being asexual. You might not be thinking about people in a sexual sense and feel attracted to people with the desire of having sex, but you can still enjoy doing it. Yes, many asexuals are sex-repulsed, but again, asexuality is a spectrum. Thank you for coming to my TED talk, and please hear more from asexual people.

Almost anytime an LGBT media aimed at LGBT people rather than straight women gets big, it gets torn apart by that very community. Steven Universe is another example. At the same time, gay comics and books designed for straight women typically fly under the radar.

The part I don't understand is people hating it on TikTok saying the comic is over-sexualized and the relationship is toxic and only for sex and that nerd is bad or something when 1. I've never seen them even want to actually have sex, and even if they did they're in a relationship it's only normal to want to have sex with your partner/partners if you're allo. 2. They're actually really healthy they communicate when something is wrong and ask for help when needed And when I explain that to those people on TikTok they say "Well but the comic is too shallow and doesn't have any important subjects" but like it's just a comic about people loving each other not every comic needs angst to be good and if they don't say that they usually say they don't like the creator but like you don't need to pay him to read his comic unless you want to you can just read the free ones

the problem with the boyfriends is that, its extremely overrated

as a lgbtqia+ member, I don't really hate this. Like on the contrary I like it very much. I mean it's comforting thanks to the slice of life genre, it's kinda soothing and in my opinion, what makes it nice is its simplicity (characters, plot, art). there aren't 2k characters to remember with their story and everything so I just feel like it's wrong that people expect so much from something that is made to be simple. the "cringe" can also be cute and funny sometimes as it's easy to read the situation. In conclusion: I still don't get why it gets so much hate, I would just suggest that the people who want deep complex series read something else, there's no need to show hate that much, because that may also hurt Ray, when they just do something they like. If you don't like it, don't go around saying "it's bullshit" "I hope they die" etc bc that's what haters do and that really might hurt them. Thanks

As someone who is pan, genderqueer, and on the ace spectrum (grey ace), I really don't find what's wrong with this comic. Obviously Webtoon has its issues, just like Twitter, KZread, Instagram, TikTok, and basically any other social media platform. When interacting/using any of those platforms, you accept the pros and cons of them. With Boyfriends, they use Webtoon to support their comic, and I'll put it bluntly, they're thriving off of how Webtoon supports a lot of BL or "fujoshi"/"manhwa", and I'm not saying that's a bad thing. They benefit from it and that's how they support themselves, so I'm not gonna shame them for that, cause I see plenty of other people doing the same thing with their work. It sucks, but you do what you gotta do, we're all guilty of it in one way or another. With the plot itself, yeah, it is dull, but that's what I kinda like about it, it's simple, short, and sweet and gives a boost of serotonin to my day when I need it. Brain no think hard, and I get to have a break from the overstimulation of just- everything. The ace representation for Goth doesn't bother me at all really, I mean, I'm aroace, and it's easier to say I'm just ace, or use an aroace flag with the ace flag in it. Plus the sexuality ace, is an umbrella term, so it can and is used as a broad stroke for those who are on the ace spec. With the other stuff about the creator, yeah, it sucks, and it does, cause slurs are never okay, but it seems that they've done this many years ago, and haven't done it since. I'm personally not one for cancel culture in the sense that someone did something bad, like saying a slur, a long time ago and has never done it since and has changed. People change, even more rapidly now with societal advancements and technology, not saying this as an excuse, but more of pointing out what (I would hopefully assume) is the obvious. Overall, I love the comic, it gives me a break from the world, it's not doing any harm, rather than pandering to Webtoon to get awareness, and when goth was represented as trans and was able to not wear a shirt for the first time, it made me feel really seen.

it doesnt really feel like its meant to be deep or well written, just cute, funny, and predictable. Also doesnt feel like its meant to pander to fujoshis, those stories tend to have more unbalanced power dynamics :/ I feel like a lot of the people criticizing it aren't too familiar with sli/li webtoons and comics.

I heard the creator canonically made one of the characters a pro shopper

@mitsuki8397

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it was Nerd

I really don’t understand why people hate the webtoon so much 😭 I feel really bad for Ray, he constantly gets death threats and people hating on both him and his comic, even though it’s just some simple fluff based on popular stereotypes. Sure, it doesn’t have much plot. It’s a slice of life. What slice of life normally has a big plot attached to it?? Also I’m ace, but I’d also have s-x with a partner to make them happy, it’s pretty common for us to do that and the people getting mad “on our behalf” are mostly people who are not ace themselves. I will admit the ads are really bad tho, but honestly webtoon ads have been getting more and more problematic recently, and creators of the actual comic unfortunately have no say in what webtoon promotes and when (I’m an assistant to an originals creator, they constantly complain about how horrible webtoon is at communicating with creators before promoting) and Ray was really frustrated with webtoon after the animated ads bc no one had asked him about it first or worked with him so that it wouldn’t have ended up so cringe

That webtoon at 6:04 called ''The Four Of Us'' is great, it's about real things and bros chilling. One thing that I felt was how the Main Character's sister stole his long time crush in 1 day and that's the LGBT content.

I don't hate boyfriends since I never read and I never will, but I do find some of the hate funny.. actually no I do hate something, I hate about boyfriends shows up on every single webtoon billboard when there are SO many other better webtoons, like "Room of swords".. but I guess that isn't the creators fault

@loturzelrestaurant

Жыл бұрын

I cant believe no one criticizes the main-concept of the thing: polyamorie, the cringey-idea that harems and concubines only needed Consent and that will solve it and make it cool. Said Concept are now modernized, which is wow.

13:13 while yes, asexual is an umbrella term for many identities, some of which do experience sexual attraction, I would like to point out that sex drive and sexual attraction are not the same thing. I’m not sure if you meant it to sound like that, but with how you used the word sex drive in the previous section, it makes it seem like you’re using the words as synonyms. The difference is very simple. Sexual attraction is exactly what it sounds like: sexual attraction to another person. Sex drive on the other hand is a simple physical reaction that has nothing to do with attraction to other people. It’s how horny you are on a general basis. You can want to have sex or feel horny without being attracted to someone. Sometimes our bodies just decide to be horny out of nowhere and that’s completely normal. Things like the menstrual cycle and hormones in general can cause this.

I am aroace and while I and many of my ace friends don’t personally experience sexual attraction, plenty of us do have sex drives (I am also sex repulsed on top of being ace, so… I am also romance repulsed as an aromantic, so that puts me in a weird situation when it comes to ships I love)

4:48 hello, just like to point out that all of those comics are R-rated so they can't be on the platform. Webtoon itself doesn't have many lgbt originals and most of them are on canvas.

FINALLY an unbiased video on this. Not everything has to be so heated.

Thanks for the catchup, I had no idea what was going on with it other than people thirsting over the goth girl which, same. People are really weird about representation on twitter in general, like esp. in the trans community where you get transfems completely ignoring shows like Pose but going nuts for some random anime character the creator isn't 100% sure is trans, and you get a lot of carcerality in general.

@YukiKoyuki

Жыл бұрын

sarah z has a GREAT video on this phenomenon. viewers really do hold certain media to impossibly high standards!

@SisterRose

Жыл бұрын

@@YukiKoyuki Not a fan of Sarah unfort fsdkpofsdopf

@evasmiljanic3529

Жыл бұрын

Yo this, the lgbt+ community would rather ignore actual lgbt+ rep made by lgbt+ people or tear it down while at the same time celebrating a random cishet character made by cishet people who was vaguely shipteased.

As a transgender homosexual man, I absolutely love everything about the comic, yes, even the "cringy" parts. I also really like this video. It actually provides all pieces of possible evidence and clears up a lot of stuff while having a neutral opinion on the entire situation, which is the best way to discuss a topic like this. So, thank you for this. I hope many, many people watch this video and gain a better understanding of the situation as a whole. And even if they still hate Ray and the webtoon afterwards, that they keep the opinion to themselves, or at least share it in a respectable manner, since I've unfortunately seen many offensive comments from these haters on the webtoon recently.

I read the comic while it was in canvas, I can confirm that the community wasn’t hostile at all, everyone just enjoyed it for what it is: a (gay) relationship slice of life. I’m not a big fan or anything i just think it’s mindless content you can consume like any other slice of life. (Another comment said it’s like a newspaper comic and I can’t agree more.)

Im really glad you made this video, i honestly have never understood why people in my community (lgbtqiap+ /P IS FOR PANSEXUAL {i always include it bc it kinda pisses me off that even though it’s a very prominent sexuality, its not represented as such) ANYWAYS- never understood why they ride media that relates to them so fucking hard, I’ve literally yet to see any genuine bad representation, of course not everyone who’s gay acts the same, but on that same note, 1 character can only be one character, not only that its not stereotyping just bc a creator chooses to make a lgbtqia+ character soft- 90% of the time if a creator is making a pronominally community based story, its characters are self-projected in some way, such as boyfriends, Ray comments ALL THE TIME on how his characters are in his words “all different sides/ personalities within me” anyways, speaking about his past, people fuck up, people make mistakes, he was an adult about his mistakes and publicly apologized. ANYWAYS i didn’t want to make this too long TwT. But thankyou for actually having an honest, adult take on this, honestly i adore Ray, and his work, i can understand why people may think it’s boring, but Jesus- im depressed enough i don’t need any drama or dark shit to make something interesting (neither should anyone tbh) its cute, heartwarming, sweet, and funny, and it emphasizes the feelings i have for my partners, not only that Ray himself is really sweet, ive had multiple chances to talk to him, and he’s very kind, but im not dick riding, i do adore him and his work, but I’m understand it might not be for everyone, im just glad someone has common sense about it. (I also thought the video promos were cringe and poorly represented the comic btw)

it's horribly stereotyped and terrible representation for polyamory and mlm people alike

@user-ajisgoofy

Жыл бұрын

FR LIKE IDK WHY PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO JUSTIFY IT??

@melanieluver4eva

Жыл бұрын

TY 😭

@basilbat273

Жыл бұрын

Also literally everyone who defends it is either a fem nonbinary or a woman and that's kinda gross because it really isn't their place to talk about mlm relationships and "love" the comic

@daikonsenpai7820

Жыл бұрын

@@basilbat273 agreed, but uh the whole point of being nonbinary is to not be a man or a woman. it's kind of forcing gender roles on a non-binary person. of coursee, you can identify as a non-binary man or woman, but most non-binary people, including me, don't want to be associated with either binary gender.. sorry for the paragraph i just wanted to say 😅

@basilbat273

Жыл бұрын

@@daikonsenpai7820 Ofcourse by fem nonbinary I meant someone who identifys as a nonbinary female or someone who takes on more feminine roles and uses she/they or even just she/her ( with the added consent of being called feminine hopefully)

i'm actually surprised that you have only 500 subscribers- you put so much effort in the videos and the quality is just amazing

here's my problem with this comic, this might seem all over the place so take this with a grain of salt, boyfriends isn't bad because of its stereotypes and how it handles mlm, its the fact that it uses language that children would use (aswell as just having infantilization in it in general) and also introduces literal children (im talking about 9-12 y/o's here, but this can be said for anyone under 18) to it, while having s-xual themes. from my angle, i would describe this as fetishizing child-like behaviour. i get that its supposed to be fluffy and cute or whatever but you can't put 'choccy milk!' in a comic that has suggestive/s-x scenes in it. and the fact that most of the characters look white but are supposed to be asian seems a lot like white-washing. take prep for example (im singaporean so i can speak about this directly) not many asian people have light skin like he does and blonde hair. alot of us have darker hair, and there is no distinguishable features that make him look asian at all, it's very westernized. i feel like alot of people are just looking at the fact that its 'bad lgbt+ representation!!' and not paying attention to the underlying issues with it.

@gilliantoh4658

Жыл бұрын

Im also singaporean, and I don't think it's white washing at all. It's Animated and stylized heavily. I can make characters with diff colour hair, unconventional eye colour, call them singaporean, and I'll believe it(ofc if they put other traits lah abuhden). Bc its just cartoon after all.

@cherwhiskey

Жыл бұрын

@@gilliantoh4658 i get that it's supposed to be stylised, but isn't it still possible to show some racial diversity? the one goth gf is the only person in the entire comic close to looking like an actual POC and it's just because of her skin tone

@gilliantoh4658

Жыл бұрын

@@cherwhiskey i mean, not all the charas are singaporean, and it's like, if you grew up chinese and everyone around you are chinese, you'll end up drawing and writing more experiences as chinese. Similarly maybe the author was like that as an indonesian? Chinese indonesian? Indonesian that happens to be surrounded by other indonesians who look like that? We don't know what influences them nor can we judge. Like even in sg there's also fairer malays, even for me as a chindian. My cousin, brother and myself range from pale to dark and we're all the same mix of chindian. So I personally feel you can't necessarily judge by skin tone alone, nor can we properly apply it to something as stylized as this. It's not really worth fighting for. Ofc we all love diversity, but what if ppl may be anxious in portraying a race not their own if they do not have that experience? Then lagi end up kena flame. There's nothing much wrong with someone creating art based on even their small familiar worldview.

oh thank god I found a nuanced look at this. during my admittedly short webtoons phase I read Boyfriends and thought it was fine, cute fluff with some quotable scenes even if it wasn't great. then like a year after I stopped using the app I couldn't escape the hate for it and since then I've felt guilty about somewhat enjoying it for a time. I'm not exactly a stranger to missing questionable undertones just because I tend to have a hard time picking up n subtext if I'm not looking for it, and... lbr Boyfriends isn't exactly the type of thing you look for subtext in. I tend to get anxious about stuff like that though and I couldn't find anything that gave me a concrete answer as to why this old guilty pleasure was so awful. so anyway, what I'm saying is thanks for not hate baiting and just telling me straight what's been going on 😅

"if everything is cringe nothing is cringe, if just accept the cringeness, you will be happier" orochinho - brazil - 2021

@thepartygoat8598

Жыл бұрын

BRAZIL MENTIONED

you have a very comforting voice to listen to, you don't let other people shape your opinions for you, you're straightforward, and you have great editing skills . . . you've just gained a sub ❤️ keep up the great work milo!

I enjoyed reading this webtoon so much sure it may not be the best and all but it’s just a light story to read to pass time or when you remember it. It’s really nice to just have something simple to read and definitely doesn’t deserve the hate it got tbh

Personally, I don't like the webtoon. The ads are cringe and some people might like that, that's on their agenda but not mine. About the race representation, as an asexual Asian, it's not the best and I can't lie about that. It could've been better. Although, I heard some people saying the characters are all Korean while others say they were all different?? Frankly, I don't care anymore, I'm too tired on the race argument. Story wise, it's just a series of a boring one shot collection that's only fluff without of the mix of angst. I like the latter more but some don't and that's fine. It below average in terms of writing but still mediocre, I've seen worse. People saying that Ace can't be asexual because he had sex??? If he consented then it's fine and that's his choice, he's not aroace, he's entitled to his own life style as an asexual person. Asexual people can be in relationships whether its platonic or romantic, it depends on the spectrum you're in and boundaries. Stop putting the stereotype where asexuals dislike sexual and romantic needs, we are human and not some cold hearted beast. I still don't like the webtoon. I mean take what you get, at least that how I like to deal with shit. People can like and don't like certain stuff, it is none of my business to judge. Whether the creator is problematic or not, don't be surprised. You can call them out on their bullshit, in the end no one is perfect, so don't idolize people if you keep getting disappointed. It's funny to see people fall for the same thing over and over again, did you not learn the first time or second??? That's on you.

I think the hate is mostly directed at the animated versions with the voice acting: I don’t agree but I think that’s what it’s mostly coming from, they didn’t look at the comics only the animations especially with ‘preps’ tendency to make ‘cutesy’ noises; people didn’t like the voice acting because of that

I genuinely enjoy the comic dawg ;-; (The ads are horrific tho)

@soggyeggos5093

17 күн бұрын

Yeah same

I'm happy that someone researched this further because i used to like this comic series until it got this much hate. I don't find it that problematic honestly, the artist/the creator who made this has a nice art style. It's just that the stereo type as each main character is what's throwing it off, but other than that. People really should calm down on saying that this is cringe or giving so much hate into this because probably the creator of it just wanted to make something fun and cute, despite the repeated storyline in the story and them being on KZread ads the comic isn't that bad it's a decently made comic

@neff6185

Жыл бұрын

i think a lot of people dislike the webtoon because of the author not the actual content, the style is really attractive to the eye and the story is easy to read/follow along with. But the creator is very problematic which sucks and it bleeds into the webtoon (like the fact that nerd is a cannon proshipper) most people who read the webtoon don't follow the artist on twitter and have no clue though. So a huge part of the fanbase is totally confused to why people hate on it lol it leaves everyone mad at eachother and really spiteful rip

@muddashucka9743

Жыл бұрын

Thing is though, *some LGBT people like the stereotypes*

I'm glad I saw this video, because for the last few months I've been feeling guilty for ever liking Boyfriends since I heard about the drama and stuff surrounding boyfriends and refrainbow. I found out about the drama shortly after pre-ordering the plushies related to the comic and I felt so bad about it that when they arrived i just hid them away. This video sort of reminded me why I liked the comic in the first place, it's a light hearted, silly comic that is meant to be stereotypical, and I don't think theres anything necessarily wrong with stereotypes because even if there are people who don't fit in those stereotypes irl there are also those who do and theres nothing wrong with that. This comic is just meant to be a lighthearted silly comic about polyamorous boys going about their lives and was basically just a nice little escape from my stressful life (the polyamorous part was actually what drew me to the comic in the first place, since I'm someone who believes i may be polyamorous myself(but I don't really know for sure since I've never been in a relationship with even just one person 😅))

I never thought it was cringe because I read it in French and I think the translator did a good job at removing the cringe from this webtoom :')

@selladore4911

6 ай бұрын

lmao im learning french, maybe i should read it in the non cringe version :)

Thank you! Because I was just reading it and searched it up and all I could see were hate videos against it. I'm bisexual and I personally do not find anything wrong with it. I mean it's not my favorite but it's pretty nice to read when you want a nice slice of life webtoon to chill and stuff. It's cute and nice. It's so ridiculous the amount of hate it literally gets.

I’m so glad I found this video. Everywhere I went I heard people just bashing and hating on it and calling it problematic without knowing anything about it, and I would have been the same way if I didn’t find this video. So thank you for making this.

The reason people hate it is because of the fetishization and stereotyping of a gay poly relationship and the constant promotion of it and its sometimes cheesey lines. Most people don't even know what the characters names are, they literally just call them Goth Jock Prep and Nerd because they're just stereotypes so their entire design and all really can't hook you. I read some of it and I couldn't read anymore because I was just too bored of it. I think Webtoon should promote better comics instead of gatekeeping boyfriends.

At the end of the day, if you don’t like it don’t read it. Personally, I adore this webtoon. It’s the first one over ever read fully and I love the updates. It’s cute, humorous and I love Polyamory! The pastel colours are also so unique and adorable x

@lealista_imperial

8 ай бұрын

This comic made me, a homosexual boy, instantly become homophobic

Sometimes I just wanna watch some gay dudes having a good time without focusing on every grimy aspect of relationships

the creator literally said the n word how r u defending them

@ayato497

Жыл бұрын

and its also literally just a sterotype of gay men and poly relationships

@YourMom_._

Жыл бұрын

While I think that they were downplaying the n word VERY much so, I don't think that they were never defending it, nor justifying it. I think with this they're on the neutral side, but I could be wrong this is all what I got from that segment of the video.

@ayato497

Жыл бұрын

@@YourMom_._ i dont think u can be neutral on racism but ok

I remember I used to kinda like it before (mainly for the artstyle) and I remember I once recommended it online, which was the time when people used to reply it "omg- I also like it!" and stuff then the hate came. I started getting death threats, getting called names and so on. This whole thing started when I didn't even know those animations everyone hated existed and I was taking a break from webtoon so- it was very confusing and hurtful to me... Cannot believe some people for telling me to kill myself just because I posted that one silly comment

So youre surprised that Line Webtoon gives preferential treatment to Korean webtoons when Line Webtoon is a Korean company🤔

@Discodelics

Жыл бұрын

ikr

@NoName-dx1no

Жыл бұрын

It’s like a no brainer, of course they will be preferential to Korean creators 💀

@kelin2017

Жыл бұрын

@@NoName-dx1no i switched off the moment she said that cos basic common sense and googling will answer that question 💀

Lets all normalize seperating the work from the artist

@liacartoonlover

7 ай бұрын

Same

honestly the boyfriends webcomic is the webcomic version of relationship comics on IG. They're shallow, not really in depth, but they're innocent and sweet. It's the equivilent of brain popcorn. Sure, it has no plot but that doesn't mean it's bad. I read plenty of plot heavy things or sometimes I'm jsut having a terrible day and I just want to watch/read something that requires no thought and it's just sacchrine with no plot twist about how the world is actually crappy.

3:33 quit downplaying anti blk racism 😭

Another good job! I wanted to research the comic myself buuut geez I was too lazy. Thank you.

This was so well thought out and imediately went to check out if you had posted other videos! Hoping for more content in the future :D :D

I read the entire comic up until the most recent update. It's definitely nothing groundbreaking. The story isn't amazing and there is basically no conflict, but that's the point. It's JUST a wholesome webtoon. Coming from a poly trans man, I don't see how it's problematic. It basically promotes a healthy poly relationship and people are mad about it? I get that the creator isn't the best person but when I first read the comic I had absolutely no clue about any of the things he had said/done. It honestly feels more like an attack on poly relationships, seeing as how there really isn't anything problematic in the story itself.

Not to be that guy, but the girlfriends do have distinguishable personalities from the boyfriends. It’s just their aesthetics or in the case of the preps - occupations they share. Granted, the girlfriends don’t get a lot of screen time, so I understand why someone might make this assumption. Other than that, as a fan of Boyfriends, I’m really glad to see a much more gentle critique of it.