I know my voice sounds like I was sick or getting baked but I wasn't. My throat just sort of closes up sometimes and this time it happened while I was recording. Ah well. Discount info and other stuff in the video description as always. Wash your hands.

@nextechprojects3774

4 жыл бұрын

Haha 🤘 noticed it !! & I'm Esk8 tapas.

@BurtonJackson3

4 жыл бұрын

Hey Daniel! Love your vids, have been super helpful to me and loved the exploring Western China doc. Random question, are you in Shanghai? Thought I recognized some of the streets you were riding. I just ordered (arrives tomorrow) the Backfire G3 and have lived here (SH) for 5ish years. Would love to hang out or skate sometime if youre ever interested. Anyway, thanks for the great content and reviews. Cheers!

@DanielKwan

4 жыл бұрын

Jackson Burton Yes shanghai. Contact me via info in description, I’ll invite you to our esk8 group.

@BurtonJackson3

4 жыл бұрын

@@DanielKwan Awesome! I was hoping there was a group I could connect with other eskaters in SH

@tzdkb

4 жыл бұрын

Jackson Burton wooo more Shanghai based riders

I LOVE drop decks, they lock you in great. I have a downhill dropped board on risers to help it grip more

@TheFrogination

4 жыл бұрын

That helps? More downforce due to bigger lever? Or do i miss something here?

@colinmcguigan4630

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheFrogination they have a lower center of gravity, therefore feel more stable. The drops also let you wedge your feet into them, so you're more attached to the board

You should honestly reconsider the double kingpin trucks! The curve radius is ridiculously small on them, so you wouldn’t have to kick your board around like in the beginning of the video. And getting around standing cars in traffic becomes so easy. Seriously, double kingpin trucks are very underrated.

Okay now we are gathering some good information. I want to like this company and their products. Great review Daniel!

Hey Dan wanted to bring something up. I been scowering the internet and there are so many videos that state how to build an electric skateboard from scratch but usually they are half way finished, not super clear on how they got there etc. Would be a great video if you took 10-20 hours to document a 5 part series where you actually show you purchasing the pieces and building it piece by piece for your viewers to see and follow. Someone who isn't efficient with putting these things together I feel could help alot and be a top tier video for all who are looking to get into this hobby. Then you can sell the board when your done to a viewer. Idk, just a thought cause your great at explaining things. It also doesn't have to be a Trampa setup, more or less a basic dual motor, gear or belt setup with trucks, battery and a deck. Would be great if you ordered different pieces from different people as well so you can show people how to find the proper dimensions to make it all come together with every part cause I want to put something together with different parts but I get lost on would this piece work with that piece etc. Really stops me from buying anything . Could be very helpful

This board looks right up my alley! I'm totally cool with buying new sleeves all the time if it makes the ride that perfect

Your videos helped me purchase my first board i am highly appreciative of your expertise the Wow-board x3 is on its way to my address and i am pumped

2020 is an awesome year for eskate! So much new models, the dead of boosted, seems pretty motivating for the competitors lol

Thanks Daniel!! Great content as always.

Thank you for the review, would have been very cool to have a direct driven board tested though.

These kind of wheels are basically exactly what I'm looking for. When I moved to a different part of the city my route to school became riddled with tram tracks, crap roads, and poorly maintained sidewalks. My feet go numb now when I ride my Ownboard W1S because of the hubs and hard duro.

@Doppleganger1016

3 жыл бұрын

They work great on the Carbon too.

Cool video as always, you can't judge acceleration when you didn't mess with the settings. You can easily go 60 battery amps with these cells. set the motors amps to max, adjust positive ramping time to 0.1 (important, you can have insane power and with high ramping time it will feel like it has half) and then let's see. You don't need reverse switch and this solves the low speed brake problem, newer VESC fw has smart reverse, that way you come to a complete stop and then can set how fast it's supposed to start backing up, up to what max speed.

@tzdkb

4 жыл бұрын

Esk8 Spirit sadly this isn't like a normal vesc, it's been both hardware and software limited by alot of things so I'm not sure what he can and can't do within the settings (I'm pretty sure fw update is a no no though) Also I've got a lil bit of experience with those Tesla 21700 cells and they are only really useful up to 10-15a 20a if you're willing to sacrifice overall range due to the voltage drop when you use the throttle, so 20a in the vesc settings is about right (20*2).

@DanielKwan

4 жыл бұрын

Tilo Zhu Yeah their website says don’t update the firmware.

@esk8spirit362

4 жыл бұрын

@@DanielKwan Regular VESC fw is ackmaniac fw version, has been here for years and years, has smart reverse that only triggers at predefined speed so you don't get back wheel slip. Cruise mode can be used too. The only reason not to use newer fw is that it is all preset for FOC mode but If you skip the wizard and set it up for BLDC it will work. BLDC has not changed for years.

I have similar (Skullboard) 105mm rubber wheels and I have had no problem with wear. However on Skullboard wheels there can be issues with how true they spin. I would certainly put this board on the shopping list, 12s and Vesc is the way to go and I like large rubber wheels like these.

I just wish company’s would make these wheels for boards like the meepo v3 then it would be the ultimate board..

I'm looking to purchase a board in the near future. Other than power and range... I want IT as quiet as possible and smooth as possible. I don't care if the wheels wear out faster. That's for a better ride. So whichever board you recommend is the most quiet and smooth ride. Also FUN as a factor!!! A whining motor and bumpy ride is not fun.

When is the Backfire ZEALOT review coming?

@dalefelix4485

4 жыл бұрын

This is also a must needed review of and wiv the cloudwheels

@DanielKwan

4 жыл бұрын

I am targeting end of next week. But I might make it a simpler video to get it done faster.

@C63

4 жыл бұрын

@@DanielKwan I think you should spend the time you need to make a video that would help someone looking to buy out. We're in quarantine, nothin' but time!

@qjtvaddict

4 жыл бұрын

HunterHawk Gaming do those work on direct drive

@thedisneywaltz

4 жыл бұрын

Still wondering when you expect to release the Zealot review.

Another great video Daniel, love your channel bro🤙

I so miss riding my board, your video is a real blast of fresh air ! 🙏More videos coming, now that the containment is complete in your country ?

@DanielKwan

4 жыл бұрын

Road and Trip I have a ton of videos lined up. I’m so backlogged

The risers look like they have two soft layers. Might be helping with the vibration.

@DanielKwan

4 жыл бұрын

shane0yourgod You’re right. I’m not really a fan of thick shock pads though. I feel like that part ought to remain rigid for stability and ride accuracy. I could be wrong about that though.

Glad to see your healthy, great review. 😎

will there be also a review about the Bound D3 with direct drive?

Just looking at the specs on Boundmotors Mini Kooper. Looks nice for the dollars. Now to watch the vid and see if the brand is ant good

Time to write about VESC :D.... How do you like it compared to Hobbywing? - This battery is a bit unknown, there isn't any info about it, so modify the max battery limit at your own risk :p. - If you have a 12s2p, you can bump battery current max 6:30 to 30A, if you have the 12s3p version you could bump it to 45A. This should make it a lot more powerful. - For better acceleration/braking, you will need to mess around with the throttle curve. - For reverse braking, there is a feature called "smart reverse" which is quite nice. Its function is like Exway's freemode but it won't go backwards until you fully brake. Then if you fully brake at a stop, it will only go back at around a 10% speed, which is nice to stay on your board if you ever need to stop on a hill.

@xSynatiiC

4 жыл бұрын

waddup stan. What i want to add is the battery cutoff voltage. Daniel should check how low/high it is set. Lowering the value can get you more possible range.

@atlmember4045

4 жыл бұрын

The throttle curve is only going to adjust the mapping between throttle actuation and acceleration. It won't actually affect max acceleration at all (though time ramping parameters could adjust its time derivative). You'll have to tweak the motor current limits for more acceleration, which obviously could lead to thermal issues.

@DanielKwan

4 жыл бұрын

Stan you’ll be one of the ppl I talk to when I get into vescs :) Probably won’t be with this board tho. This seems to be a watered down vesc and I don’t have time to figure out what exactly I can and can’t do with it. Plus the lack of battery info.

@xSynatiiC

4 жыл бұрын

@@DanielKwan Stan is a good pick. What you also could do is join us over at forum.esk8.news. We would be glad to have you over there. Skatemetric, Lee, Trampa, the guys behind cloudwheels and many more are also on board. If you need answers to anything esk8 related basically, you ask us :)

I have a Seekerboard, that has the same parts. Mine came with the motors config to output 100A... that impacts the range a bit for me. Maybe when you play with the vesc, try using 60A to get better range!

You should make a video of a drag race with boosted and all the budget belt boards (or boosted clones) you have. While doing that, you could compare the feel and some differences of those boards. Just an idea.

Hi I red on Fabi reviews that he send his Onsra board to review. When are you planing to review it? Also, have you ever tried ONEWOW board with 12s3 battery and direct drive motors?

Thorough and informative. Thank you for sharing.

Did someone tried to fit these wheels on maxfind hub motors? 🥺

why not cover the D1? I'm so intrigued by those DD

@DanielKwan

4 жыл бұрын

ddkuo Because DKP trucks and I was more curious about this deck. D1 deck I think is the same as the current Ownboard Carbon, or at least they look very similar.

Another great review Daniel. I was thinking to buy this board with direct drive but now I'm concern about the height clearance.

Any chance you would revisit Bound Motors with a test of their Flash board? It doesn't seem to get a whole lot of coverage.

Any update on the custom settings? Apparently Boundmotor says the wheels are 80A, but they also now claim a 10% increase in performance since you created this video. A change in compound from 70A to 80A would improve efficiency and reduce rolling resistance.

Im on a DIY build. Any info's on the Battery Cell's ? Are they any good or do they hold what they promise ?

the things that looks awkwards is the battery pack , the upgrade seems to cheap to be real , the board did not do as many km as it should , the board has not much torque and they could not say what cells they were using also , hummm could they be fake ?

Cool vid Dan, You definitely know your stuff :)

Is this better than the raldey mtv3? Besides the hub-directdrive difference, what else is to look for?

OK , board... 😶😶 ( MUST READ !! ) I would not recommend this board for some very strong reasons , most people don't notice that much. 1) Even though it uses a vesc , it is configured at 20A battery MAX !! ( Which is even less than a wowgo 2s ) If you can configure it , it's still dangerous because you might end up Burning your motors. 2) Deck is WAYY to dropped 3) The wheels are not made of PU ( Polyurethane ) , Instead they are made of some cheap rubber which doesn't lasts long. 2) Trucks are really generic & Old models. 3) It's just not worth it - Pointless use of Vesc , Cheap trucks & wheels , Less range ( even with a large battery ) for 900$s !! 4) you have to bend down to turn it on ! ( THATS DISGUSTING & Daniel forgot that 🤣🤣 ) I would rather build a MUCH better DIY at this price !! But anyways Awesome vid Daniel ! Good luck to all Esk8rs !! P E. A. C. E. ! ! !

@atlmember4045

4 жыл бұрын

You only risk damaging your batteries by upping the battery limit (unless you simultaneously adjust the motor limit).

@ronchakola1805

4 жыл бұрын

Dan you gotta get your hands on the verreal RS to review!

@promilaguleria9408

4 жыл бұрын

@@ronchakola1805 It's a decent board. But verreal has the worst customer service

@nin1ten1do

4 жыл бұрын

110% agree pls make it BELT system not inbuild BS..

@TheFrogination

4 жыл бұрын

Just orderd those hubs! Target settings in my Vesc 6 are: Sensored Foc commutation with 50A per Motor and 80Amps Bat Max. I'll report how they realy perform. But yeah i guess they are worn down fast i give you that

Just received My new D3 direct drive, how in the world do I program the ECS to make this board fast!!for 1200 victim not happy

Bamboo is real cool but you're wrong about the length bcz it's a long board =speed so ..... otherwise there's the mini electric skates for city , a long board is for cool off traffic speed or now off-road !?! What do u say ?

I’m trying to figure out if I should get this one or the Backfire G3 Plus. Which one do you prefer and why?

Very good form esc the form is key

What's your knee pads and the wrist guard

Great review!

Hmm. Maybe risers + drop down is to help reduce vibration. No risers and flat deck may produce same height but more vibration. Thus this combination may have been best for this reason. Not sure. Need babysitter so I can be freeeeeeeee to go ride please !!!

@DanielKwan

4 жыл бұрын

Spiritwing7 Huh I hadn’t considered that. I’m pretty sure their actual reason is that they just want to use this deck on every motor kit setup they have and this R3 is just one combination (this deck plus these hub motors). But yeah the risers / shock pads probably contributed to the reduced vibration.

Dan the man !

Actually i know something about batteries....and there are NO 21700 cells available that are OVER 4500/4600mah AND higher Than 10Amp constantly.....so these battery specs (4800mah/40Amps) are impossible. You CAN get high amp draw 21700 cells...but there max Mah is about 4000mah.....everything above this Mah (no cell known than more than 5000mah btw) has a max of 10Amp if not even lower.

@ullle66

4 жыл бұрын

And another thing: Everyone who is stating that he is using the so called „panasonic Tesla“ cells.....is probably lying. These cells are NOT available on free market and more or less a rumour. Mostly all chinese skateboard/Euc/selfbalancing board producers that promote they use the „panasonic tesla“ cells, are using chinese fake cells with 4800/5000mah and a unknown Amp draw (as not more than 7,5/10Amp is possible at this chemistry, its probably about that)

4 жыл бұрын

@@ullle66 They are trying to hijack Tesla's "battery day" marketing. Tesla is indeed using Panasonic NCR's, but they aren't special; it's a low current rated, high capacity cell, and the application calls for a shitload of them, so high capacity is a no brainer. However, Tesla IS getting into the battery manufacturing scene, with a bunch of cool shit to say about why they would be relevant, graphene, yada yada, getting some of those cells would be very significant; the battery materials will go onto the factory campus, and finished Tesla vehicles will be shipped out, so no cool Tesla cells for you and I, unless somebody gets a factory worker to bring some out, if possible, or just pulling cells from wrecked Teslas in a few years, which might get you a sweet vape but screw getting a sick pack out of them xD

Great video! Can you tell me what is the model of your knee pads in this video? They look really low profile which is something I'm trying to buy.

50kmph... Holy...

how is the legal situation of electric skateboards in your country? as far as I could find out, it´s not allowed to use them in any public area in germany.

Is there any way you can update the G3 discount code you have ! It doesn’t seem to work.

@DanielKwan

4 жыл бұрын

Make sure you’re using backfireboards.com not backfireboardsusa.com. They ship from the same locations.

Where exactly did you buy the board, how long did it take to arrive and did you get shipping info??? I ordered one from boundmotor.com and two weeks later no info of any kind that its actually coming. thanks

@mikkels4396

3 жыл бұрын

bfvtx Did you get your board?

Hey Daniel, I recently started researching boards again since my Bamboo GT feels like a deathtrap. I know this review isn't for their direct drive model, but I'm curious if you know of any other manufacturers making direct drive boards besides ONSRA? Also, do you think we will see a direct drive board using a flexy deck with separate enclosures for the batteries and ESC? Basically, will any of these manufacturers make a Jed Board style board?

Hi Daniel. I used to live in Shanghai too so I'm familiar with taobao. Is there a board that you would recommend from taobao? I prefer getting one shipped from china myself rather than paying more on their American sites.

I ordered from WowGo and they’re not delivering my product. It’s been weeks and I receive are emails in broken English. Help anyone?

Great video, again!

Hi plssssssssss can u do a vid on backfire g3 vs exway flex coz im choosing a board and those too are my fav but i cant choose so im relying on u to tell me . Thx

Did you try the carbon fiber edition?

Hi Daniel, I reviewed your videos and was having trouble deciding between two boards to get. I'm stuck between the G3 Plus and X1 Pro (Hub). What do you think is the best overall between the two? I've heard the X1 Pro Hub has a lot of battery lag once you hit 50% and shorter battery life (193Wh vs 346Wh), but is much slimmer.

Exway flex or bound r3?

"Not a fan of double kingpin trucks." What happened to "I actually really like double kingpin trucks." ???

@DanielKwan

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah... I should explain. The first 4 boards I tried with DKP trucks all used large all terrain wheels. They didn’t all feel the same, but they were all kind of not as fun to control as boards with RKP trucks. Then Ownboard released the GT kit with 120mm wheels. DKP with 120mm wheels felt significantly better to me than DKP with 150mm AT wheels. It was eye opening to me at the time. Relative to DKP with AT wheels, I really liked DKP with smaller wheels. BUT I like DKP like I like my Carver board (surfskate). They’re fun for that low and medium speed really tight carves. I don’t want to use it everyday. If I only use one board, sure I’ll make it work and I’ll get used to it and enjoy it. But since I have multiple boards, I definitely prefer RKP trucks for everyday use. I like to use my Carver surfskate for a surfskate session, and I like to use the Ownboard GT for that surfy type of skating as well. But when I see yet another board using DKP trucks, to me it’s kind of like seeing them put on Carver trucks on a board for everyday use. Sorry don’t know if that makes sense. I may need to clarify in a future video. Anyway, it’s not so much that I hate DKP or I’m not a fan of them. I’d just rather not use them on boards that go 40+ km/h. With RKP I keep the trucks nice and loose, and tighten up the rear in like less than a minute only when I’m gonna go fast. Then afterward I loosen it up again. With DKP it’s not that easy.

@gregholland11

4 жыл бұрын

@@DanielKwan Gotcha, that's a decent explanation. It sounds like there's a tradeoff between the deep + tight carves of DKP vs. the stability of RKP. For you, the DKP is fun for taking out every now and then, but you prefer having a more stable RKP (which can still be quite carvy) for your everyday board because then you can go faster while still feeling safe. Like, I really enjoy the DKP on my Ranger X2 and I ride them really loose, but I rarely ride above 18mph and the board essentially maxes out at 20mph with my weight, so I don't have to worry about getting wobbles going too fast. In that sense, if I was to get another board I'd want one with wide + stable RKP to go faster without feeling sketchy, so I get where you're coming from. That all being said, I'm not 100% convinced that DKP can't both feel stable and have good carveablility at the same time (if you get the bushing setup dialed in just right), but it's easier to achieve with RKP with a lot less hassle.

@DanielKwan

4 жыл бұрын

Greg Holland I have a set of Riptide bushings waiting to be installed on one of my DKP boards. Just haven’t gotten around to it. Hoping they’ll have me become inconsistent again and love DKP hahaha

@gregholland11

4 жыл бұрын

@@DanielKwan Hell yeah good to hear. Check out post #18 in the below link. It's written by the owner of Riptide Bushings regarding his ideal bushing setup on the Backfire Ranger. I copied that setup for my own board and can confirm that it's quite good. electric-skateboard.builders/t/ranger-x1-backfires-first-all-terrain-electric-skateboard/65300/17

Someday.....

I so appreciate your reviews, and was really hoping you'd do Boundmotor. It's my top choice (on specs) I am really interested in why you did not do the direct drive, what is your adversion to direct drive anyways? Just curious.

@DanielKwan

4 жыл бұрын

Like I said in the video they only have DD with DKP trucks, which I’m not a big fan of. I have two DD boards waiting to be covered tho (and one of them uses DKP but oh well).

@DanielKwan

4 жыл бұрын

Check out my previous video also. I explain why I’m only lukewarm about DD.

Can you use belt conditioner/oil to extend the life of your belts?

@DanielKwan

4 жыл бұрын

Never heard of that

@mosesnazareth3048

4 жыл бұрын

@@DanielKwan it's used on cars mainly but it's good for all belts.

additional damping thanks to spacers

Nice & Thanks :)

What knee pads and gloves do you have?

@DanielKwan

4 жыл бұрын

steelavocado Just really cheap generic pads but similar to Pro-Tec. Left glove is a cheap downhill slide glove. Right glove is a modified “drone” glove, link in description.

I feel like the drop down + the shock risers was intentional it’s drop down so it’s not too high off the ground with those thick pads

direct drive looks like it could be a large pebble nightmare.

The weight discrepancy is probably due to the bigger battery

@DanielKwan

4 жыл бұрын

Yu An Shi The one I have has the smaller battery

69kg nice

Honestly the only killer for me is how the board looks like its deformed af

Deck looks sweet. Video looks like china so as far as i can tell you work for or are paid by them

Too lowered, the hub / battery case will hit the speed bumps.

It’s rubbish in other words!

i hate direct drive.. no rubber, bumpy,, wear of qickly anmd FAKIN DONT BREAK AT ALL! you almost hit dat moto-guy... dafuq this BS

Daniel - I love your reviews but with all due respect, you're not riding this board the way it's supposed to. This is a carver more akin to snowboarding and you're riding it like a city board.

Wow.