A few notes: 0:22 : Thanks to Tyson Davis for the deep-fried Boulez image. 11:32 : _Structures_ was a suite of pieces (I & II), with _Structures 1A_ as the first (and most well-known) example of total serialism as described. 19:47 : There's an apostrophe there that shouldn't be.

@zackebrorsson9374

4 жыл бұрын

Plz make a video about busoni

@ClassicalNerd

4 жыл бұрын

Duly noted: lentovivace.com/classicalnerd.html

@sneddypie

3 жыл бұрын

i love eating deep fried boulez

@robertridley9279

3 жыл бұрын

I thought it was pronounced boo-lay

@ClassicalNerd

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertridley9279 It is most assuredly not.

You just won the Pulitzer price for best thumbnail ever.

@MMMM-qg7ln

4 жыл бұрын

Whyyyy hahahaha 😂😂😂

@norbicsek

3 жыл бұрын

I particularly enjoy the fact that this is his only video where the thumbnail looks like this.

@mitodrumisra8972

3 жыл бұрын

You mean, the 🅱️est thumbnail ever?

@solarean

2 жыл бұрын

@@mitodrumisra8972 :B:

@segmentsAndCurves

2 жыл бұрын

@@solarean :Bruh:

1:47 someone: what do you do in life? Messiaen: big fan of birds

@segmentsAndCurves

3 жыл бұрын

*cough* Scriabin *cough*

"Absolutely hated Sibelius" lol -- Thanks for the great video! I studied with Boulez and knew him quite well. :)

@user-jb5sk7pc2m

4 жыл бұрын

Oh man I envy you

@edwardgivenscomposer

3 жыл бұрын

I am so sorry

@pianomanhere

2 жыл бұрын

😂🤣😅

@DavidA-ps1qr

2 жыл бұрын

How well?

@pr-xy1dw

2 жыл бұрын

@@edwardgivenscomposerhaha，"im so sorry"

I was a student of Boulez at Harvard in 1963 and we remained friends until his death so I can appreciate the fine job you did of putting this biography together. There is much about the man and his music that remain a mystery but I can assert that he devoted his entire life to the service of music. He had no personal life to speak of but he was a dedicated and loyal friend.

@Gregorypeckory

2 жыл бұрын

It sounds like you were lucky none of your opinions offended him to the point of cutting off the friendship as he did according to the bio, with several important contemporaries.

@Manx123

Жыл бұрын

And despite all that, he was ultimately just another (rightfully) neglected modernist like Stockhausen, Legeti, etc., that are completely unknown to the public, know only to a small subset of connoisseurs, and who’s name won’t outlast his century.

@stephenjablonsky1941

Жыл бұрын

@@Manx123 Fifty years from now it will be interesting to see how he fares in popularity. Sadly, I won't be here but you can let me know through seance.

@Manx123

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenjablonsky1941 You can add to that list Berio, Xenakis, Schnittke, Hammersmith; literally nobody knows these Boulez people, and somehow even fewer people will know them in the future. Any lasting pure classical music died with Shostakovich, since composers with talent went to compose for other genres since those can provide more money and fame.

@stephenjablonsky1941

Жыл бұрын

@@Manx123 Berio was more talented than the others you mention. The problem is that mid-century modernism seemed to reinvent what we mean by music and ignored the average audience members ability to tolerate confusion and dissonance.

Superb talk on a controversial but remarkably gifted musician. Whether as composer or conductor, I find Boulez's work both fascinating and rewarding.

After struggling with attempting comprehending Boulez's writings (both musical and verbal) I am msot impressed with this video. Where were you when I was in grad school? lol I attempted to read Boulez's book, "Boulez on music today". I got to page 3. That book was really about HIS music today (1970's). It was like trying to read "Finnegan's Wake". I never met anyone that got any further into it than I did. Anyway, hats off to you, sir, for a magnificent (and difficult) job!

You may say that Webern's death was due to a trigger happy soldier but I would say that his death proves that smoking is hazardous to your health

Boulez was not a total snob. He took Frank Zappa seriously enough to be willing to conduct his own orchestra through a program of more or less serial compositions Zappa had written and already recorded with either the Mothers of Invention or the London Symphonic Orchestra, on Zappa's request. This resulted in The Perfect Stranger, an LP issued in 1984. I love it.

@ClassicalNerd

3 жыл бұрын

Boulez certainly calmed down later in life; I can't imagine the polemic-writing Boulez of the 50s and 60s acknowledging Zappa's genius since he wasn't a serial composer.

Those descriptions are amazing. Especially love the James Joyce one.

Just love this channel so much

Thanks for the Boulez reveal..Such a mind !! Thanks for those glorious musical examples..challenging to perform I’m sure but to listen to uplift the sensibilities and to open one’s mind. Thank you for your hard work and in-depth knowledge that you so easily relay !!

What an amazing find you are, Classical Nerd! I've been fascinated by Boulez for a long time. I feel like there is a heart to his music, something maybe in the realm of spirituality, that comes through at the end of his rigorous procedures. But I didn't know a lot about his life. Thank you. Also you do this really well! Here's hoping you get 100k subscribers.

@apointofinterest8574

3 жыл бұрын

@Michael Mossey: Yes there is heart in Boulez's music. A heart that beats in precise multiples of 12, no more or less.

I just discovered this channel and added about 30 Videos to my "watch later" playlist. Good stuff!

I got a bolt out of the blue when I heard that Boulez despised Xenakis. Somehow I felt they had a lot in common that would have gotten them together. Imagine if they had actually got along and put their brilliant mathematical minds together. Alas, all I can do is but dream of it.

@myprivatestash9210

11 ай бұрын

Xenakis leaves all these serial composers in the dust. He found their dedication to base-12 mathematics as amateurish.

@almuel

11 ай бұрын

@@myprivatestash9210 Yes, I read his book on formalized music a few months after this comment and came to discovered this. He had a very unique approach towards music compared to the serialist. I don't think that either of them were necessarily right but I do stylistically prefer Xenakis' music. I also like that he had a sense of intuitiveness in his work while also imposing micro and macro structural restrictions on them.

@myprivatestash9210

11 ай бұрын

@@almuel Great book.

This is marvelous. Thank you!

What an interesting and educational video--and very well delivered. Thank you.

Thanks so much for the video I’ll be seeing ...explosante-fixe... live this winter

Rest assured, the life of someone as brilliant and talented as Boulez is never easy. Combine that with the challenges of being a composer and conductor, two occupations that seem to feature emotionally dysfunctional individuals. Pierre had no meaningful emotional attachments to man or woman, but he was a very loyal and cordial friend. I was his student at Harvard in 1963 and maintained a friendship wit him through the early years of this century. I came to love the hidden soul that few every saw on the podium or the screen. He always did his best to connect to those he trusted with what little he had to offer. He was married to music and that was his one true love. Much of what you recounted here was the machinations of a revolutionary who was always unsure of himself as composer and conductor. That's why he was always revising his music. He could never leave well-enough alone. I will say that his performances were always gifts to the many composers he promoted. His tuxedo had a crimson lining that one occasionally caught glimpses of in moments of conductorial passion. That is the perfect metaphor for who he was.

@edwardgivenscomposer

3 жыл бұрын

"two occupations that seem to feature emotionally dysfunctional individuals" What an obnoxious stereotype. Wash your mouth out, will you?

@stephenjablonsky1941

3 жыл бұрын

@@edwardgivenscomposer Are you a composer or a conductor?

@edwardgivenscomposer

3 жыл бұрын

@@stephenjablonsky1941 Retired astronaut. Why perpetuate the notion that great artists must be crazy or depressed?

@stephenjablonsky1941

3 жыл бұрын

@@edwardgivenscomposer I know of very few great composers who lived happy, fulfilled lives. How about you?

@edwardgivenscomposer

3 жыл бұрын

​@@stephenjablonsky1941 Wrong. They mostly lived happy fulfilling lives. Once I visited the home of Richard Strauss - spoke to one of his grandkids. Definitely happy. Thing is - "great" composers were generally "popular". Or at least professionally successful. JS Bach did not father 26 children out of a deep feeling of depression. Terry Riley seems like fun. Duke Ellington had many friends, and so on. The myth of the misunderstood genius is just that - a myth.

What a great video, thank you

Such a great talk. Classical Nerd has the great and paradoxical gift of making 'inaccessible' music somehow accessible. I've tiptoed in an out of Boulez's music for years. Fascinated but still not quite able to figure out how to approach it. This talk really helped.

Wonderful and Informative. well articulated

absolutely LOVE each one of your well-presented& knowledgeable videos..great sharing of informative insights giving each composer a much needed " human " dimension...greatly appreciated..PLESE do MORE. !! a very happy subscriber. !! AWESOMW. !!

Thank you! Very helpful.

Brilliant presentation, reading Boulez "Music Lessons" at present.

This was uploaded on my birthday epically!

Thanx, Maestro 🌹🌹🌹

love it!!

This lecture is excellent.

Nice video!!

Earned my subscription.

Thank you so very much for the best study of Boulez I have ever seen. If I had been a young music major at this time I would follow you to any college to hear you teach Pierre Boulez. I have studied him all my life, having been a music composition major for a good long period before I became a novelist. I learned things, one after another, I have never known all these years, from you. The thing that is uncanny is that Boulez adds up as music. But still, how anemic is the fundamental concept of serialism? Come on, it was just a Procrustean bed. Mahler is bad enough. I never got that our Pierre freed himself on 'sets' not 'full rows'--thank you for telling me that! Believe me, I could go on. Thank you so much. I will watch it again. Dwight Brooks

Nice content!

yeeeess! one of my favorite composers

Excellent!👍👍👍

Boulez is the musical equivalent of a painter using a calculator to paint and idk how I feel about it tbh

@edwardgivenscomposer

3 жыл бұрын

"paint by numbers" you mean?

@RaysonWilliams

3 жыл бұрын

@@edwardgivenscomposer I think it’s more like Paint with the numbers

@edwardgivenscomposer

3 жыл бұрын

@@RaysonWilliams that's a shame since he was like all "ultra-serialists" abysmal at math. (or he would have found a solution that worked)

@punksterbass

2 жыл бұрын

@@edwardgivenscomposer Babbitt was abysmal at math? hahahahaaha

@edwardgivenscomposer

2 жыл бұрын

@@punksterbass probably - at least when it came to music theory. Try dividing the octave into an uneven number of parts instead of 12 - voila! Actual, not imaginary lack of tonal center. because of math. if that flips your wig. And we were discussing Boulez, not Babbitt.

In the library i found a book with the sheet music of his 3rd sonata. The book was bigger than two normal pieces of sheet music, the funny thing was that it said “please don’t add your fingerings to this book”. As if anyone could play that.

Thank you talking about him. Long live Boulez, the most powerful musician of the XX Century!

Hello man very nice content you have on this channel. I can't believe I didn't discover you earlier but I'm glad a friend of mine shared with me this incredible channel. I have a request about a french composer from the 19th Century named Amédée Méreaux. It would be truly great if you could make a video about him on this channel and thanks for you efforts!

@ClassicalNerd

4 жыл бұрын

Duly noted: lentovivace.com/classicalnerd.html

My fav composer. Thanks

As an iconic conductor, I have utter respect for him. As a composer, I'm afraid that your excellent video fails to change my mind on his output.............Dreadful. Thank God, since his death, nobody ever performs it and is now thankfully forgotten.

I am not a big Boulez fan, though he is a great conductor. I think I might have to give him another chance...

@SuperUrton

3 жыл бұрын

His music is certainly interesting with his further development past the traditional 12 tone row

@FeonaLeeJones

3 жыл бұрын

@@SuperUrton Ok I gave his music another chance and yes it is very innovative in many ways especially how he pushed the envelop of serializing more aspects of the music besides the pitches...so bravo, I am a fan

@Cleekschrey

2 жыл бұрын

He’s my favorite

he's one of my favorite conductors of all time, his music i need to listen to more of to make a full judgement on though

Thankyou ! Im so jealous of his book shelf . I have the ives memos -many of these books wont be found in softcover .He says more in 35 minutes than I'm able to really get or remember from 2 large books on Boulez . The early frenchwoman's book is personal she rarely delves into the music even though she has examples of it in the book . The new autobio is expensive and impressive almost encyclopedic will be the goto for quite some time .

Excellent video, full of fascinating insights and essential biographical information. More of a footnote: Boulez was chief pianist at the famous ‘Foiles Beigeres Club’ playing things like the Warsaw Concerto. All while he was writing the 2nd Piano Sonata according to the conductor Diego Masson.

@docm27

Жыл бұрын

Hilarious!

Terrifically written essay...thanks so much for posting. I'm always surprised to hear that Boulez despised Xenakis. To me they are musical 'cousins' so to speak. The 'dazzling color' of SUR INCISES along with the irresistible rhythmic energy are what make it my favorite of his works. "Genuinely expressive" as you say. At his best, to me, Boulez found a balance between a complexity that most us can't fully follow and beauty of sound that makes it so attractive.

@ClassicalNerd

8 ай бұрын

According to Julio Estrada, Xenakis did use some serial techniques-he was just very subtle and hush-hush about it. (I don't think I buy his contention that Xenakis was some kind of secret serialist, but it makes sense that he incorporated some of its precepts into his own language.)

Pierre's only relationship was a pet turtle he had way back when. He was very close to his sister but was incapable of having a loving, mutually satisfying liaison with a man or women. His marriage was to music. Conducting turned out to be his only way of relating passionately with others. I was a student of his at Harvard when he used to smoke Gauloise cigarettes at lunch which he later gave up. Hans Messner his valet, was almost like an adopted son.

The DG complete works box is one of my treasured possessions. He's very French, like Carter, so there's lots of beautiful music for all the maths, but each jewel is intricately set. You said that Carter and Elliott were two sides of the same coin and both films are fantastic.

Like many composers, Boulez seems to have had a narcissistic streak, and his ideology as portrayed sounds a little crazy; but he did devise amazingly colorful sound combinations, and he had amazing ability as a conductor. I can attest personally to the efficacy of his rehearsal technique.

@DavidA-ps1qr

2 жыл бұрын

You are right. Boulez composed music that he wanted listeners to hear rather than music listeners wanted to listen to.

@jesusislordsavior6343

2 жыл бұрын

@@DavidA-ps1qr Very amusingly put. I guess the whole purpose of Art is at issue. Evidently artists like Bach and Haydn meant to glorify God, which would be the highest purpose of all. In times when artists were mostly regarded as servants, pleasing the patron was essential. Pleasing oneself as an artist had to be part of the mix if one was to do good work. But when nothing else matters, the audience may be small, or not show up at all.

@psijicassassin7166

Жыл бұрын

The sterility of Boulez is stunning. Well-made in acoustical terms, but who cares if nothing musical is communicated? It is 'objective' music, i.e. consisting entirely of the material level of music, which is sound. PB is good at aesthetically arranging the sonic surface, spicing it with 'unexpected' sforzati (to wake-up the audience, and in this style entirely predictable again).... but the whole exercise is pretentious, patronizing, and merely reflecting the time capsule of postwar utopianism. It all sounds very outdated... without some really interesting artistic qualities which could redeem it, and offer something of interest to later generations. It is a museum piece, bound to that short period of postwar depression called modernism. How much more interesting - to name an example - Schoenberg''s Pierrot Lunaire is nowadays - which has survived a century.

Boulez was sych a paradox ....he made so many fine recordings of mainly approachable works and did many approachable works live including much mainstrean repetoire. He spent years from 1966 conducting Parsifal. Much of his own music is too difficult to be repetoire and exists as live music only in the elite world of contemporary music ensembles. Repons and Pli selon Pli are fine works. My opinion is the same as 2 months ago.

its a shame that as he aged he became exactly what he hated. still absolutely love his compositors and philosophy as he was younger

The rules that he's using don't sound very different from Baroque contrapointal rules in terms of voice leading, despite him wanting to "destroy" the ladder.

@stephenweigel

11 ай бұрын

There’s a certain delicious irony in inventing rules in order to become unbound from previous rules

My niece asked me what kind of music robots, machines and automatons would make. I told her to listen to Boulez. She did and she said it was like elevator music for a crash dummy factory.

The amount of judgement and gatekeeping from people like Boulez is infuriating and exhausting.

Yes i love boulez

Please do Michael Finnissy some day!

@ClassicalNerd

4 жыл бұрын

I don't cover living composers because you can't really do proper retrospectives on ongoing careers. Sorry!

The body of his work may be small, but it can't be small enough for me.

@pianomanhere

3 жыл бұрын

His oeuvre is like golf. The fewer pieces you've heard, the greater likelihood you have of winning.

@mm-dn6oe

2 жыл бұрын

What a terrible thing, to want other people to not be creative. If you dont like it you dont have to listen.

Something has gone wrong with my tablet so Boulez conducting Schoenberg is playing in the background as you are speaking on this video. Awesome. Also, I just wanted to say, other than Varése, I find the composers also labeled as "futurist" to be very underwhelming. Try as they might to destroy the past, many of them seemed to forget they also needed to replace it with something worth listening to.

It's weird as I am not fan of Boulez's music and musical philosophy, but I have so much respect for him. Probably because of his experience, his absolutely insanely ear. I do really love his disciplined and straightforward conducting style though.

A really excellent presentation. He was a wonderful conductor of certain works such as music of the 1st half of the 20c and also Bruckner. He conducted too many post 1950s modernistic works and some later works of his were far too complex e g Sur Incises. Pli selon Pli and Respons are good.

Great stuff. How about Elliott Carter?

@ClassicalNerd

4 жыл бұрын

Duly noted: lentovivace.com/classicalnerd.html

Could you do a video about the dutch composer : Johan Wagenaar. (Because he wrote some amazing orchestral fugues and great opera’s)

@ClassicalNerd

4 жыл бұрын

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Came for the thumb, stayed for the video

1:52 “Big Fan of Birds” lmao

I had to slow down the speed of the video to 0.5 to follow what you’re saying, man😂

Please do a video on Cyril Scott!

@ClassicalNerd

4 жыл бұрын

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Can you do Carlos Chavez?

@ClassicalNerd

4 жыл бұрын

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Nice Thumbnail. It would have been appropriate to not just mention in passing Mallarmé and Joyce and actually talk a little bit about the relation between Mallarmé's Le Livre and A Throw of the Dice... to the conception of Indeterminacy in Boulez work, specially in the 3rd Sonata. Boulez was much more of a lyrical composer than a dry mathematical composer. Some of his works from the middle to the late period are quite sensuous.

Curious to hear your thoughts on Koechlin...

@ClassicalNerd

4 жыл бұрын

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@pianomanhere

3 жыл бұрын

@@ClassicalNerd oh THANK YOU THANK YOU Thomas ! PLEASE discuss all the works comprising "Le Livre de la Jungle" and his symphonic poem "Le Buisson Ardent." Koechlin's music is FINALLY garnering more and more justified attention, which it has deserved all along.

May I be so vile to request a retrospective on Iannis Xenakis?

@ClassicalNerd

3 жыл бұрын

I did a video on Xenakis some years ago-so it's not exactly the quality of today, but it's something.

Can you do a video on Eyvind Alnæs?

@ClassicalNerd

4 жыл бұрын

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Oh, no, the books have moved around!

@ClassicalNerd

4 жыл бұрын

Technically, it's a different set because I moved ... but those _are_ the same style of bookshelves.

You have also missed his recorded legacy of his own works draws different lines in the sand in the same way the scores do. Pli selon pli not only was reworked over time but his choice of singer is just as important. It is a crying shame his work on Pli selon pli with François Pollet wasn’t recorded. The differences in timbre between Łukomska, Bryn-Julson and Schäfer match those of the score. The same goes for Le Marteau sans maître, Minton, and then Elisabeth Laurence and Hilary Summers (both of whom I heard live). Thes changes re matched in the change of style generally. The approachability of later works like Dialogue de l’ombre double, Anthèmes 2 and Sur Incises I fear you passed over. I never thought I would ever hear either of the first two of those works and know them intimately enough to anticipate the next section as I would, say, Beethoven’s 6th (which is full of surprises) but I did. I still regret not speaking to him when I was in Berlin. His dedication to modern music was something I was lucky to enjoy during his time with the BBC. Yes, he was opinionated, but I can think of other composers who were, but maybe less forthright or brusque as he.

@ClassicalNerd

2 жыл бұрын

There's only so much anyone can talk about in 30 minutes.

Two questions: 1) Was this video intended to answer the question "Voulez-Vous Boulez-Bous"? 2) As he increasingly turned to conducting in his later years, could one say that Pierre found God when he performed and recorded several of the symphonies of Anton Bruckner which are permeated with octave unisons?

@ClassicalNerd

2 жыл бұрын

1) I'm afraid I don't get it. 2) Boulez always conducted music that was progressive and innovative in its time. He believed that, in his era, meant strict serial adherence-and within his framework, he wasn't okay with reinforcing something at the octave. He didn't apply that critique retroactively.

Wonderful video BUT automatic subtitles kept writing CEREAL music, Boulez is turning in his grave right now lol

I would love to see one on Milton Babbitt.

@ClassicalNerd

3 жыл бұрын

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@ElectricUnicycleCrew

3 жыл бұрын

@@ClassicalNerd Be sure to cover Babbitt's time-point system when you get round to it. Also I wrote an exhaustive essay about the Three Compositions for Piano (1947) which also covers the rhythmic procedures in the second movement which are scarcely talked about in the literature. I could send you it if I can manage to find my copy of it somewhere. Depends how deep you want to go!

Boulez had the courage of his convictions.

@psijicassassin7166

Жыл бұрын

He spent his youth forming claques that would boo the performances of Stravinsky and his old age conducting his music for money. What a hypocrite.

I despise him, now I understand why

🅱️oulez

@segmentsAndCurves

2 жыл бұрын

🅱️ruh

🎵🎶🎶 is THE PUREST SCIENCE

Can you PLEASE do Elliott Carter?

@ClassicalNerd

4 жыл бұрын

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That thumbnail tho

Ballz (Boulez)

Do Conlon Nancarrow!

@ClassicalNerd

3 жыл бұрын

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@Danielpi

3 жыл бұрын

@@ClassicalNerd Wow! You sir are amazing.

I really cannot stand Boulez...

@BenjaminGessel

3 жыл бұрын

@Dhruva Punde What would you know about who I listen to?

@segmentsAndCurves

2 жыл бұрын

@@BenjaminGessel It's hard >.

so many composers didn't even like the music they composed, but they just had to write anything to get some attention and be considered innovators.

@wanderlngdays

2 жыл бұрын

Not the case with Boulez. Can you mention any major composer who thought as you say?

Personally I'm not too keen on octave equivalence

@segmentsAndCurves

3 жыл бұрын

r/unpopularopinion

I am one of those people who would rather listen to a well played version of "Happy Birthday To You" than just about anything by Boulez.

@yagiz885

2 жыл бұрын

why?

@growskull

4 ай бұрын

aka a fascist

@kazsolan

3 ай бұрын

@@growskull Nah, loathing Boulez is the progressive position. The philosophy of young Boulez is a perfect mirror of the proto-fascism of the Italian Futurists.

Thanks for sharing. Fortunately, history has spoken very clearly: the great majority of the Classical music world continues to not give a damn about Boulez or his “music.” Let alone the rest of humanity.

@benaraujomusic

2 жыл бұрын

I care about his music.

@wanderlngdays

2 жыл бұрын

He was a very influential composer and, as a conductor, many of his recordings are highly regarded. So I don’t think the majority of the classical music doesn’t give a damn about him

What is most interesting about Boulez's compositional practice is the fact that he was never satisfied with the results and very often revised his music at a later date. Some revisions were minor but usually they resulted in entirely new pieces. His music is always very busy and even hyperactive. It would have been impossible for him to write a lullaby.

But is it music? And how many people go to Boulez recitals?

@Gwailo54

Жыл бұрын

In 2006 there was a celebration of both Boulez and Cage at the Cité de la Musique in Paris. It was well attended and there were few, if any, empty seats. It was worth the trip from London for this intensive programming. Cage came off second best for me.

@arielorthmann4061

11 ай бұрын

His music is often played in the hall named after him, La Grande Salle Pierre Boulez in the Philarmonie de Paris. Never a seat empty.

This is the reason classic music died

@growskull

4 ай бұрын

the exact opposite but ok

@Emanuel-Turhani

4 ай бұрын

@@growskull no its dying and it's because of this bs

Xenakis leaves all these serial composers in the dust. He found their dedication to base-12 mathematics as amateurish.

@stephenweigel

11 ай бұрын

Based and xen-pilled

Question: How often does one,before pandemic, ever hear Boulez at a major symphonic concert. Thank God,seldom. The public is never completely wrong.

Okay? Serialism is the most patently ridiculous notion in music, assuming the intention is actually beauty. Getting good at something nobody cares for isn’t impressive.

19:00

Well... a lot of information

Can you do Edvard Grieg?

@ClassicalNerd

4 жыл бұрын

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Serialism was yet another constriction through rules that just replaced older "rules" but to no good effect. The idea that you have to go through a set number of notes/rhythms to avoid any semblance of recognisable theme or harmony in order to be progressive and valid just establishes another just as predictable set of notes that is as imprisoning as any earlier rules, but even worse. Moreover, in order to not use octaves, or any "conventional" chords, serial music often constantly uses major sevenths and minor ninths, in an effort to avoid octaves, thereby defeating the whole point of avoiding "predictable" intervals

@edwardgivenscomposer

2 жыл бұрын

Wendy Carlos wrote a computer program to count adjacent intervals used in serial music. Tritones 9ths 7ths are chosen better than half the time in an effort to avoid a semblance of tonic-dominant relationship. Predictable indeed!

@mm-dn6oe

2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say boulez's music "avoids any semblance of a recognizable theme." Structures and the 2nd sonata do that but everything else he wrote has tons of attention to detail and lots of recognizable moments, as well as consonant intervals.

@wanderlngdays

2 жыл бұрын

Limiting your material is one of the first things you have to do as a composer when you start a new piece. Not at all imprisoning

A great composer, but a horrible man.