SHOULD VALTTERI HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH THIS DESPITE THE PRECEDENTS CITED? Skip to 4:25 for the analysis section. Subscribe for more F1 Analysis: bit.ly/CYF1Sub . Time Stamps: Masi Forgets His Lines: 0:33 The 2 Precedents: 1:24 The Letter Of The Law: 2:24 Valtteri's Excuse: 2:49 Skip here to get on with it: 4:26 WHAT EVERYONE MISSED: 5:15

@sbinnala14

3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant video. Absolutely great

@rolmops883

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think Bottas deserved a penalty because of the precedents, and because he clearly didn't gain an unfair advantage (unlike he previous jump start). Either way, great video. As a life-long F1 fan, and at the risk of coming across as condescending, it's really good to see someone from across the pond who loves F1 as much as you do. It's no secret that F1 is, and has always been, more of a European thing. I'd be interested to watch a video where you explain how you got into F1. What you love about it and what you don't care for too much (let's be honest, we all have or criticisms of the sport). It's kind of hard to explain to people what it's like for us Europeans/Brits who grew up hearing their parents discuss/reminisce drivers like Jackie Stewart and how tragic the death of Cevert was. The week after Ayrton Senna and Ronald Ratzenberger died, these crashes were extensively discussed at school, during classes. Keep in mind that I'm from the same generation as Hamilton and Vettel. That's how big F1 was for me growing up. I probably didn't even know that something called NASCAR existed. Your analysis of why there are fewer American drivers kind of points at the difference in racing traditions/cultures already, which definitely is part of the reason why F1, by and large, isn't as popular in the US. However, I'd really be keen to get a more in depth perspective, your analysis based on what kind of feedback you get talking to people in the US, what you think F1, and perhaps European series in general, could learn from NASCAR and vice-versa. Why is it that NASCAR just doesn't work outside the US? When Juan Pablo Montoya, and Jaques Villeneuve made the swtich from F1 to NASCAR, I found out there's a bit more to NASCAR than a bunch of hicks driving around an oval (I was surprised to learn that not all tracks were ovals in fact). It would appear that both sports have an image problem, and are doing a rather poor job at converting "the other side". Is it that fans of NASCAR don't understand that F1 is really a constructors championship, with a driver title as a secondary thing? Is it because NASCAR's apparent lack of technology, and its rough and ready racing style just comes across as gladiatorial and imprecise (F1 crash contact is very likely to compromise your own car, vs "trading paint" in NASCAR)? Is it because F1, to me at least, seems to prioritise driver safety a lot more than NASCAR does (despite the fact that F1 races in the wet, and NASCAR doesn't)? TL;DR: Interested to get your thoughts on any or all of the above

@grannieannie1371

3 жыл бұрын

This is going to come back and bite the FIA on the bum. There will be more and more jump starts within the tolerance until they actually have to change the rules. This is just rediculous. Other sports don't need a tolerance, why does F1.

@rolmops883

3 жыл бұрын

@@grannieannie1371 other sports do have a tolerance, though. The WRC rules state that "the jump start photocell should be 40cm after the start line". There's always a slight inaccuracy in measurement, exactly where the cars are lined up on the grid, etc... Rolling starts are different, but when starting from stationary, there's always a tolerance.

@grannieannie1371

3 жыл бұрын

@@rolmops883 I guess I was thinking of swimming and running where a jump start of any amount is dsq.

You’ve taken the editing to another level bro wow

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

My teeth hurt from perpetual clenching on this edit marathon haha tested a few things, eager to hear feedback. Plus have to get creative or KZread/ f1 will SMOKE me haha

@abdurrahmanmohamoud8901

3 жыл бұрын

CrankyYankeeF1 I can only imagine. But we really appreciate the time and effort that goes into your videos 💪🏾🔥

@Mastertexter

3 жыл бұрын

@@CYMotorsport hahah awesome graphics mate. I love your videos... and they're getting even better with each video. Keep it up mate! Good job! Great vids!

@ALIGHTFORTHEWORLD

3 жыл бұрын

@@CYMotorsport Idk if you'll see this, but I always think I'll skip through with the arrow keys to the important parts; then I end up watching it through the whole way. Very engaging and uniquely done.

Btw what Bottas is doing with his left hand is releasing the clutch, pressing it again after the jump start and re-releasing it again after lights out. There is a button and a dial on the steering wheel to adjust the clutch but it's actual operation is done in 2 stages using paddles behind the steering wheel. To launch most drivers pull the left paddle right to to the wheel and the right one about halfway.

@ricrodrigh1

3 жыл бұрын

Yes !! that is actually him releasing the clutch, not "Widget A"

@filipecardozo

3 жыл бұрын

Actually this is not true anymore. Since 2016 the clutch has been controlled by one single paddle.

@FooNation

3 жыл бұрын

@@filipecardozo tbh idk i am sure you're right but that doesn't change the fact that what he releases there is the clutch

@musculusiv4172

3 жыл бұрын

@Richard Porter I'm pretty sure I heard somewhere reliable that different drivers use slightly different clutch paddle configurations these days so you're probably both correct

@murraydmark

3 жыл бұрын

Musculus IV both Merc and RP drivers use double clutch paddles. There’s footage of all four drivers this year using double clutch paddles (one on either side)

I think you got the concept of tolerance wrong? I think FIA was referring to a distance tolerance, and you are talking about a time tolerance. The car probably didn’t move enough distance for the sensor to trigger.

@flexygoo1295

3 жыл бұрын

No, the ENTIRE idea of tolerance is wrong. If you move, you've jumped. There shouldn't be an arbitrary "tolerance" that nobody knows what it is. Dumb

@egj1975

3 жыл бұрын

@@flexygoo1295 If its the same for everyone I dont see the problem...

@flexygoo1295

3 жыл бұрын

@@egj1975 By that logic it's totally cool if you're allowed to knock others off the track. As long as it's the same rules for everyone, right? False start is a false start. If it were any other series, it would go without saying. But F1 is....special.

@erjonsejdijaj7868

3 жыл бұрын

@@flexygoo1295 The tolerance is there because the car moves quite a lot before the start, be it by driver imput, or the driver himself moving, or whatnot. The tolerance is there so that those movements don't cause a jump start.

@worldstar7241

3 жыл бұрын

@@erjonsejdijaj7868 I normally never write comments on youtube and I have to apologize in advance, but this is the most stupid sentence I've ever read anywhere in the last month.

5:01 Actually if you look very very closely to the bottom of the screen of the steering wheel, there is a white square that appears. We barely see on your video, but if you look on the official onboard on F1 youtube channel, we do see it. The reflection doesnt help, but we do see a square pop up. I think that the three light shows the optimal rev. We can see those three light fade away lightly. It takes a good second to go completely off, so I don't believe he was talking about those lights. My position is, Valtteri was deviating of the optimal rev, so much that the three light fade away, and a sensor in the car showed a white square ont he bottom of the steering wheel telling him he wasnt anymore, and he reacted to that instead. We can see a split second between Bottas reaction and that white square, being a more convinient reaction time for a f1 driver.

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

just wait like 25 seconds mate haha that's one of the main things I tackle :)

@coling1258

3 жыл бұрын

@@CYMotorsport Watched the video again, and you missed what he's talking about. A white bar appears on his screen, at 5:02/5:03. Clearly the shift lights are going to be related to the clutch that he's holding with his left hand. The random white bar flashing on his screen is almost certainly the light in question, as Alexander was saying, and it precludes the car launching (at least by ear).

@coling1258

3 жыл бұрын

To extrapolate further, because I was pondering it again and wanted to triple check that we were not accusing you of not stating something that you had, I believe you are referring in the video to where the grey stitching/pad on his glove becomes visible. That is NOT what Alexander and I are referring to, and as it DOES appear as though there is a visual change on what's being displayed on his wheel (other than the shift lights that Bottas would have been expecting anyway), the video comes off as overly harsh on the guy, especially since all involved were satisfied with the official response and explanation.

@mgln7818

3 жыл бұрын

@@CYMotorsport I feel like you assume too much on the stearing wheel analysis, not the explanation I expect judging by the effort you put in. you act like its a curtain on what bottas in mind at the moment yet it probably far from the truth. its basically a made up theory. you said it yourself youre not steering wheel expert yet you act like one and present it like a conspiracy videos. this video basically just a baseless accusation. its doesnt even matter whether bottas lied or not, if he indeed lied the fia could just expose him, show the data and yet that doesnt happen, insteed they said it within the sensor tolerance, thats it, why bother making this video esspecially when this a quite frequent event. and dont even started on your assumption on the season going forward, on an event that lasted less then a second on one race start. unbeliveble

Clearly James pressed a button to make it flash, couldn't allow a repeat of Austria with Bottas winning

@Euclides287

3 жыл бұрын

You're *Dutch.* Of course you had to come up with the most absurd conspiracy theory. 😂 🤣

@aboredperson4202

3 жыл бұрын

Of course it is all part of the Great James Master Plan™

@d.b.cooper1

3 жыл бұрын

Lol James (the other 1) just said on Merc KZread channel that he accidentally reacted to the dashes...which is what Bottas uses in practice starts, so he just screwed up really but within limits.

@adityasez

3 жыл бұрын

Wut? 😁

I always feels like there's so much of F1 that drivers never fully talk about. Like they race each other for years & know a lot about each others tricks/styles etc but you never hear it e.g. Even from Nico Rosbergs videos he's very defensive on details, like the Dannny Ric podcast where they cut out a huge section on setups. Deffo think Vettell is on to something, he even highlighted the jump start last week. Great vid btw clearly lots of effort put in, love your stuff!

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

This. Very very very true. So many things like this. Radio rules are the ones that drive me the most insane haha

@colinf3963

3 жыл бұрын

All the time when they're asked questions, it seems like they're thinking about it more than how they respond, a perfect example is the vettle clip in this video.

@tjroelsma

3 жыл бұрын

Vettel should know: he got away with a jump-start in the Japanese GP himself. But what's getting more and more obvious is that the FIA more often plays fast and loose with the rules: they are tolerant when it suits them and very strict when THAT suits them. It also matters to the FIA which driver from which team is involved.

@9jatrader

3 жыл бұрын

Aye!... LH uses both hands to cover that section of the steering wheel during light outs.... I used to wonder what he is covering .... now we know a bit .... not all tho ...

@d.b.cooper1

3 жыл бұрын

B.C. Iykx lol that always stands out, I think he changed his preference after a few shaky starts last year, seems to work for him. Merc says Bottas practises his starts using his steering wheel dashes so he reacted to that accidentally (from their KZread channel).

Love the editing in this, moving from your video to Masi. It was so smooth and looked great. Another great video, Cranky!

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

Got a lot of feedback on cuts and trying to work them in. 4k Multicam is shredding my software and testing my patience but I'm grateful for the input. Let's keep improving! thanks for the feedback and support Rob

The In-ears' cables are meant to go above your ears, you'll damage the cables. It'll also be more comfortable this way.

The graphics are top notch CrankyYank! Watching you for a while now and evry Vid gets better and better! Thank you for providing us with great F1 content!

You videos are always so well produced, you are charismatic and professionnal, you are passionate about your subjects and we can feel it in your videos! Keep up the good work man, you're awesome

Fantastic video. Great to see your channel growing from the hard work your putting in 👏

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

Slowly but surely! Thanks Dave

As always, great video, well scripted and edited. Few people know how many hours it takes to make these videos. In the end, posting and seeing those likes and subscribers make your day. F1 these days: as Ron Dennis would have said in his famous ronspeak, "we don't foresee enough elements to confirm we have a level playing field". Thanks Cranky Yankee!

Your videos are really professional man! Taking it to another level! 👌👌

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you like them Wyatt! Working on it man

Love your show man!! Your analysis are super informative and well researched! Keep it up As a side note, I definitely prefer the colours and looks of the second camera 🙌🙌

My man your content has really been top notch for a while now but the recent editing?? Next level bro 💯 More power to you and looking forward to more stuff 🙏

Top quality, your channel is amazing! Again justs keep up the good work, got my like Cheers from Brasil!

Cracking stuff man. You're video quality it second to none

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

I’ll try to keep it up!

This new editing style is incredible man! Keep up the good work!

Keep doing what you do my guy. I can watch your content all day. Quality stuff.

Just something to consider: in my completely normal car I find the friction point of the clutch before setting off. Could it be that he was getting the clutch to slip while holding the brakes? Mercedes (not exactly a impartial party) confirmed Bottas's story. In any case, his start was so terrible that I just can't be mad at it not causing a penalty.

@robertj5758

3 жыл бұрын

The clutch in a f1 car is only used when setting off, therefore it s really small and lightweight (compared to a normal car), because of this you don t get any feedback whatsoever, you can t feel it bite.

@elliottgould5114

3 жыл бұрын

There’s no bite u just hold it in and release as soon as the lights go out

@rafaelmontagner9845

3 жыл бұрын

@@elliottgould5114 That's not true at all. If that was the case, every start from every driver would be exactly the same given they kept the engine at its ideal revs, and that's not what we see in races. In fact there are rules that disallow teams to artificially modulate the clutch to cover up driver errors. The clutch response must be within a very small time frame from driver operation of the clutch pad cause if they could, the teams would release the clutch at a very specific rate via software to get the best start possible.

Very well presented and fair analysis, sub from me. Keep up the good work my friend

Honestly this is top quality. probably one of my favorite F1 Analysis youtube channels. Great work as always Nick

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

thanks Isaac I wanna go back and forth from onboard to history to stats to longform again and give you variety. In season it's a LOT easier so expect more!

Hey I wanted to thank you for your response yesterday, I truly appreciated that, enjoying your content and keep up the awesome work

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

I do my very best to talk to everyone. You all after all are the reason behind the channel sustaining consistent growth

Absolutely spot on analysts on this subject, as well as, others in the past. Great work!!! Waiting for more...

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

On it! Thanks for the support Zenas

Well done video once again. I totally agree with your analysis. Excellent work!!

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback Sean

your channel quality has increased so much dude I'm so happy for you

Your videos never cease to amaze me. Brilliant analysis and thoroughly researched as always.

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

glad you enjoy it partner - the twitter chats always find their way into content one way or another so thankful for that haha

@BMPHF1

3 жыл бұрын

CrankyYankeeF1 I love how you analysed everything frame by frame and actually proved that it was down to Bottas and not just a malfunction. And with the nice, clear graphics as well. Too good 👏.

@colinf3963

3 жыл бұрын

Amazing editing, too

Great Video mate! Lot's of love from Canada!

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

back at ya Felix!

Superb work! Thank you for this.👊🏾

THANK YOU SOOO MUCH!!! You are the ONLY person to have actually cleared this up to a point where it is understandable, AND, you can see that there is some 'fiddling' going on prior to the race starting!! KEEN eyes Cranky!! LOVE YOUR WORK!!!

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy it my friend!

youre the first youtuber where i dont need to turn the volume down to 2%. love the vids

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

Haha I take my cues from Cr1tikal. Everyone calm down and take less adderal so people can actually enjoy the videos haha dead pan helps me stay objective and focus on the story

I like this style of “watching a video inside a video” when you show us Masi‘s excuses better than the cockpit style in F1 Wars and onboards to be honest. This feels much more clean and less gimmicky, I love the vid by the way!

damn bro, you were on point with the left hand/finger analysis. I look forward to continue to learn a lot more about racing via your channel. good stuff Fam!!!

Great content sir! Thank you as always.

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed Aldo!

This analysis is absolutely amazing. Great video, loved it!

Holy cow, 40 seconds, and the quality and editing of the video is top-notch. Keep it up @CrankyYankeeF1

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy it partner!

first time to see your channel. great job on this one.

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it and appreciate the feedback. Welcome!

Love your videos!

Another beautiful, interesting video, grazie ragazzi! This is some top-notch coverage of F1 stuff. However, I cannot resist to point out The Mustache :D

Love your video and so happy to see an American into the sport and how this is promoting the sport in America! So we can all be F1 fans and be sharing in loving the Sport! Keep up the great vids!

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

Will do! Good to have ya :)

Love your VLOGS. Wonderful and thorough research. My question is, why was the radio instruction on the preformation lap to Verstapen to go to the GRID not illegal

You make very valid, very bold, very challenging statements. I agree 100%. There should be no tolerance, it does create a precedence, and Bottas did move his finger, we can see that in the frame by frame. I wonder what that button is, although I'm willing to bet its not there anymore since you discovered it. Great find. *walks over and pics the mic up for you and softly places it back in the stand*

My greatest fear is that you would stop making content. I love it so much man.

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

I’ll be here until they pry my fingers from the camera mate haha

@danielbrazil4683

3 жыл бұрын

@@CYMotorsport ❤❤ do you have a patreon/ thinking of starting one? I would pay for this content sir it's of such a high level

I love your work keep it up your amazing.

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

Glad I can keep ya entertained Brett!

Well, here's fhe thing. Jump starts of course happen. Most of the time the drivers actually react, stop and sacrifice their start consequencially. That is a pretty bad punishment in of itself. So that tollerance is actually a real blessing, because we have an area for once, that is actually not over regulated at the green table.

Top notch work!! Really insightful. You gotta respect someone confident enough to claim not to be an expert and suggests input. 👍👍

Enjoyed your vid. Enuf to subscribe. Look forward to more F1

Gonna be great watching this, your videos never disappoint 👌 Also, what are your thoughts on the Nurburgring rumored to join the 2020 calendar?

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

I won't be able to contain myself haha

@chris-ml4rx

3 жыл бұрын

CrankyYankeeF1 haha I wouldn’t either, this season is really interesting

The first one Bottas did a few years ago, they said it was fine to move before lights went out because of two reasons: The lights don't actually signal the start of the race, they signal that the race started about 0.003 of a second ago, the other reason was he didn't trigger the sensor. I don't remember who said it, maybe Whiting, they have no problem with drivers trying to anticipate the lights.

Excellent thorough break down of this event. Presented much clearer and with great detail than the FIA ever does for fans.

Brilliant video 👏

Your explanation makes sense. I noticed the books behind you, I’ve read The Adrian “ How to make a car “ What other would you suggest? I’m more interested in F1 technology, similar to the Adrian one . Love your work.

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

I’m not the biggest fan but it’s interesting nonetheless. If you can get your hands on Ross Browns book or Byrnes book

Such a good video dude :)

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy Walter!

@Kai-yd4oe

3 жыл бұрын

CrankyYankeeF1 HE REPLYS?!

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

I do my best! Hard to keep up with but I can’t stand when people don’t even try to show people their comments matter. They do tremendously

Im liking the pans on the camera angles! Makes the whole video feel even more dynamic

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the input Bac!

They have two clutches just below the paddle shifters. The one on the right is pressed fully and the one on the left is pressed at around 50%. The one on the left is released first, followed by one on the right for the next gear. I really thought the engine would have been stalled, but it didn't happen. It should have been considered a jump start but, yeah! he lost some 5 positions at turn 1 and also the tolerance transponder didn't light up as mentioned by FIA. For Sebastian's case in Japan'19, he did loose only a single position at turn 1. I guess it seems to work out if we take the positions lost into consideration.

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

Now imagine if you’re NOT a level headed person like yourself. I can’t vouch for everyone at the FIA. Do you trust them to make this call care by case? I sure as hell don’t haha

Just discovered your channel. You are very good.

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome mate!

First of all: Great video once again! I like your deeper looks into to just technicalities but also into the teams and drivers themselves. Now on to the actual comment :) From what I’ve heard, is that tolerance is to allow drivers to find the biting point of the clutch, (which might cause very minor movement) and nobody nows what this tolerance is. Not even the teams. This is to stop teams from using this tolerance to their advantage. Personally I don’t see a bit problem with the system currently in place. In 2017 Valtteri technically didn’t jump the start, because he moved after lights out. (We all know he just guessed the moment, but that doesn’t matter.) And in both 2019 and this time around Seb and Valtteri royally screwed over their own stats because they had to stop and then go again. So they didn’t get anything out of it. If they hadn’t stopped again, 10 second stop-go penalty all day long. (Like Kimi last year(?)). But like Matty (WTF1) said in his video, if absolutely no movement was allowed before the start, haft the grid would end up with penalties before turn 1.

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

That’s the slippery slope. I’d have to check the footage I have no evidence Of half the grid moving but I certainly don’t doubt Stuart. But I’m okay with half the grid getting penalties. It’s precisely joe track and field evolved into what it is now which is peak precision . As a former division one runner who was disqualified from a 100 meter conference championship dash haha I can say I respect the firm policy on no movement

@raycodv267

3 жыл бұрын

CrankyYankeeF1 That’s a fair opinion. Btw, It was the guys from WTF1 who made that video just a few days ago, not Stuart. I mixed them up. My bad. As a former Track and Field competitor myself as well, I certainly do see a point in your train of thought.

@MrKorppila

3 жыл бұрын

If I remember correctly, it was said by finnish experts Ossi Oikarinen (former f1 engineer for toyota, ferrari and a few others) and possibly Mika Salo (is drivers steward sometimes) that the tolerance was there because the cars vibrate so much they can trigger the sensor when they are waiting for the lights to go out. Don't know if that is the case but apparently it was during the v10 era when they were still active in f1.

great content as usual

Awesome vid , taking it to the next level. 2 questions where did you get the Rich Energy drink ,did you try it? Is that a Gulf racing sign or a book ?

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

Just a sign from Etsy. And the rich is from Walmart here online in the states. Easy to get. And I can’t lie, chilled it’s delicious haha

I'm pretty sure what he's holding with his left hand is the hand clutch. The three lights are rev indicators. So when he begins to release the clutch with his left hand the revs drop slightly because he is in second gear and that's why the lights went out

Great vid 👍

Im actually 99% positive what hes holding onto is the clutch. F1 clutches tend to be located as a paddle near the gear shifts. The fact that the car moving coinciding with him releasing pressure of what ever he is pushing down kind of backs this up further... Same with the lights fading...because hes released the clutch the rev lights drop because the clutch is now engaged with the wheels and his revs, which are usually held to around 11-12000 rpm for a start, are now much lower as the power is being pushed to the rear wheels

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

You are correct! For some reason no one ever said it. And let valtteri say with a straight face he didn’t know lol I can’t stand that

So Karun Chandok is basically saying that the sky pad is running on 40HZ?

6:00 we don't know but Vettel did get on the radio during the race to say Bottas jumped the start.

@gigasigma8373

3 жыл бұрын

yes he did talk on the radio saying that he jumpstarted

Great video

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks dinesh:)

the team that reported it was ferrari, during the race vettel said over the radio "bottas jumped the start" and his engineer replied "we have reported it" so if there was only one team who reported it then we know who it was just by the radio message

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve never heard that second radio . I mean it was obviously Ferrari and of all people Vettel can’t say shit haha it’s max who would have benefitted frkm his penalty but I’m sure it was ferrari

@comeatmebro3229

3 жыл бұрын

@@CYMotorsport it was early in the race (it was on the broadcast within the first idk 10 laps) and knowing how late the radio messages on the broadcasts can be it was probably a first or second lap radio message and since the ferrari's got good starts it may have benefited them in the short term to report it

Great video C Y!!

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

glad you enjoyed Yusuf! I'll keep switching it up from onboard back to history for ya

@12strah

3 жыл бұрын

@@CYMotorsport keep doing what you do CY just keep it honest and unbiased.

Been waiting for this all week!

This channel is worth subscribing. Thanks.

Some of this stuff is now borderline conspiracy theories now.... In any event, he clearly didn’t gain an advantage from it....

@stpbasss3773

3 жыл бұрын

He lost an advantage because of it he got a horrible start, I really don't know why this is even a debate. He was in the tolerance so why is this guy beating a dead horse? If he meant to jump start he would have kept going on his initial movement but he didn't.

@michaelx4810

3 жыл бұрын

Pancouver venguins I really don’t understand the point of this video. Basically he’s trying to say “he’s lying”? If this is how Bottas cheats, might as well hand the title to Hamilton now.

@stpbasss3773

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelx4810 I totally agree

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelx4810 The point is the idiot stewards need to have a concrete rule on what is right and wrong. Bottas and Albon incident deserves more punishment than poor Hass who got a 10sec penalty for a pit stop.

@michaelx4810

3 жыл бұрын

Sam bayeh nah. Please see the WTF1 video on jump starts. It’s all very clear. In fact, they were consistent. Dumb rules? Blame teams like Red Bull and Renault who complain about every little thing every time they see an opportunity to get a little ahead. The teams have built their own prisons.

Finally somebody who dares to speak up against this decision. Jump start or no shouldn't be determined ONLY determined by a sensor with a unkown tolerance. He clearly moved prior to the start signal. That's a jump start.

Great editing

Great video as always, I think I remember Vettel asking the team on the radio about Botas outright but maybe I am misremembering.

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

He def did straight away in Austria 2017. I think masi meant a formal challenge after

Good Content 👍

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

thanks Nakroman!

Stellar work as always from a fellow yank!

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

David Cooper good time have you David! Hometown support always appreciated in this grinder of a sport

They could determine a jump start with a couple of other sensors called eyes.

@johncenashi5117

3 жыл бұрын

Sometimes eyes can decive you.

@saoirse4976

3 жыл бұрын

@@johncenashi5117 and sometimes sensors can fail, eyes are more reliable

@emilchandran546

3 жыл бұрын

Aventurado haha “eyes are more reliable.” Yeah whatever you say mate. All I know is if a transponder and sensors with a defined tolerance is used, it’s completely fair. There is no human judgement. If your superior eyes are used I’d like to see you justify each decision on when it’s a jump start and when it’s too close too call. Plus you’d spend the first 5 minutes as a steward watching replays of every car on the grid at lights out. Frankly, if the jump start is enough to give the driver an advantage, it will be picked up by the sensors and the transponder. If it’s minimal and actually loses the driver time and positions, then why have a penalty if it’s so small that it’s within the tolerance?

@ProTacooRS

3 жыл бұрын

@@saoirse4976 are u serious?

@xflynskywlkr27

3 жыл бұрын

@@emilchandran546 sensors are not 100% accurate. Ive watched hockey games where the net goal light didnt do off but looking at the replay its clear the pucked crossed the line. Are we supposed to ignore what our eyes are seeing, simply shrug our shoulders and say ,"well the sensors didnt go off so no goal" its called common sense. Sensors should be used as a guide not the be all and end all.

I personally don't think he should have gotten away scott free , I think he was trying to time the lights just right and failed just like you said. If it sets a trend you'll have half the grid trying to time the lights and cause chaos. Your helmet collection is badass and that hat is cool as hell.

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

irritates the shit out of me this tolerance rule. and thanks ! I'm trying to get diecast to hook it up with a referral link so I can send you guys the ones I really like. they are incredible

@braxtonb3787

3 жыл бұрын

@@CYMotorsport i definitely agree the tolerance game leaves to much wiggle room with guys looking for ever possible thing that could help gain time or position. I think a tires width would do your tire comes outside the grid marker thats a false start.

@braxtonb3787

3 жыл бұрын

@@CYMotorsport ill be all over that link lol

I think the there's good reason for a tolerance tbh. If it was so precise it caught even minimal movement than there could be some jump starts caught where the driver didn't do anything.

Thanks for the detailed review of the facts! Objective!

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

I do my absolute best to be!

In running the rule is if you start running within 0.1 seconds of the gun being shot, its a false start because there was a scientific study that proved it is humanly impossible to react to something within that timeframe (0.1 seconds). So the rule is there to stop people predicting when the gun will be shot and make them react to it instead. Just interesting. Probably should be the rule in f1 too

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

as a former division 1 athlete myself in sprints, i can tell you the slightest MOVEMENT and you're toast

@BestonBoss

3 жыл бұрын

CrankyYankeeF1 yup. You think it should be the rule in f1? I don’t see why it wont work, the rule at the moment is just a bit overcomplicated imo

@falcovg2

3 жыл бұрын

I don't mind them predecting the lights, but I think that any movement before the lights go out should result in a penalty. The current tolerance rules are kinda weird.

@EchoMirage72

3 жыл бұрын

@@falcovg2 The tolerance rule is there to allow drivers to make minor adjustments to the car while stationary.

As far as I know this year they also changed the rules so that the stewards can opt to not give a penalty for a jump start if there was clearly no advantage gained even if it wasn't within the tolerance. I assumed that was the reason why Bottas got no penalty so why is everyone arguing about sensors now?

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

They increased clutch inputs from drivers but kept the language the same about no movement and yes gave stewards more direction you’re correct. The decision would have been the same but their plot armor is now thicker

@1greenMitsi

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, Bottas gave himself the penalty with his crappy start. Next

If the lights that went out is his own fault or not is completly irrelevant.

@philipmeisterl

3 жыл бұрын

danillo Gonçalves i totally agree

As a Videographer myself I'm really loving the editing style and multi cam setup you have going on. PS You can add a Handheld effect in post to give the second cam a more natural look. As always great analysis

@Meine.Postma

3 жыл бұрын

Don't do that please.

Love the multi cam angle, as a video producer I may recommend you set your camera to manual focus so you doing get that focus “hunting” where it is searching the frame to find you to focus on.

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

100% good call. It’s a Panasonic haha notoriously dog shit at AF. I took it off 49 area bc I had my slider going for it so a custom spot doesn’t work but I can def do better with the auto focus for sure thanks for that feedback!

@GalliumChef

3 жыл бұрын

CrankyYankeeF1 gotcha well still great editing and love the content as always!

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Kevin!

To be honest I agree with Karuns explanations more than yours

It screwed up Perez's start too, as someone jump-starting in the next grid-square is apt to do. Jolyon Palmer said some insightful things about sensor tolerance, if you have'nt come across it yet. Yank, the production quality of your videos is really fucking good. Really, really good. Amazing, actually.

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

Palmer usually keeps it real so I’ll have to check it out! Thanks for the feedback as always mate

Wasn't Vettel saying he didnt believe the reaction was 0.2 secs was because it was actually faster than that, didnt Bottas get of the line at almost the exact same time as the lights went out in that case. Which meant he was jumping but got lucky, not reacting to lights out

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

He was joking he was laughing in the interview. He had to say that think about the situation haha also he would wind up doing this 2 years later haha

Obviously whatever it is it appears VB was slipping the clustch a little early to get the bite point. Perhaps the 3 red lights on his dash relate to the position or temperature of the clutch which is why he had to release when he did to avoid bogging down on the start, that said.. tolerance or no tolerance its a jump start.

Basically every driver should take from this that if they can guess the start they should. If they are close enough there won't be a penalty and it's a leg up from the beginning. If drivers do do this however, I could see the fia changing the rule to something more specific. Keep up the great work can't see what the season has to bring.

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

BINGO. They just put a price on guessing. And it’s extremely affordable . Thanks for the input. I think you mean the arrow and I’ve literally never done it haha I wanted to try it and will never be doing it again

@Melp1719

3 жыл бұрын

@@CYMotorsport right like a little time penalty isn't anything, when Hamilton beat Verstappen by 8 seconds. I was thinking the 4k sign in the corner, but also what do I know. I guess you gotta give the people looking at the thumbnail some sort of indication that there is video of the incident included. It's a good idea and I wonder if there was a way to test two different thumbnails for the same video simultaneously. I have seen other creators alter the thumbnail and/or title a few days later, but at that point the finding will be different either way. Well they could be boosted, continue on their steady decline, or significantly drop. Lots to play around with. Just providing some food for thought

The lights are a rev limiter for getting a good launch without spinning the tires. They used the same the Formula Renault/Formula V8 series. I think the driver has to set it to a particular rpm or they have presets that correspond to particular rpms.

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

It’s apart of their set up they’ve had it for a while but the clutch rules are new. Lewis’s onboard is so intense now at the starts haha

So complex. Why isn't it "if your car moves forward before the lights are out, that is a jump start?" I mean damn. It's clearly visible that he was moving before the lights were out. Why is this even a discussion 😂 F1 is the CEO of overcomplicating simple things.

I have to admit when Im looking at the stills if the wheel, his hand doesn't look different... I'm not sure if you confused the zoomed in pic while he was still squeezing the left handle but the finger and hand position looks exactly the same when the lights are on and off if you didn't put the wrong pics in there

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

I mean it’s def different I can actually count the pixels in post which is what I did. Put the video on mute and drag the play head a bit quicker you’ll see it. But if not you’re always entitled to your own thinking - that’s good!

Great video, only one thing.. My OCD hates the tiles behind you. Hahaha

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

Haha I hear ya. Eventually I’ll Cover the full wall and likely have other big shelves

@mrp32gtr

3 жыл бұрын

@@CYMotorsport Yeah only messing with you. But bigger shelfs and maybe your logo or something could look nice. But focus on making your great videos.

Good work Nick dude, I never bought Valtteri's "I don't know what happened" spiel but I didn't know what it could be. But, I didn't think that the mighty Mercedes, spending 400 gatrilion million dollars a year would have unknown lights blinking on and off in the cockpit. They know exactly what 'every' molecule of that car is and does. Maybe they will give a 'silent' warning on the back channels because you are right, it does set a bad precedent.

@adampetten5349

3 жыл бұрын

It's a conspiracy to fall back to 7th lol.

What Valterri said is possible, you would have to use your startle reflex if you want to react fast, pro e-sport player can get their reaction time down to the 0.1s. But that could make you react to something you’re not expecting to happen which I believe is the case here.

going to be honest. I didnt get anything of what you were trying to say. None of it made sense to me and i suspect a lot of other people as well but no one want to look like an idiot by saying so. But from experience i can say this. Valtris explanation is a perfectly valid one. I have seen it countless times at stop lights. The light is overly long and you waiting. Any slight movement and people react. I have done it. Now take a hyper aware driver , looking to get the jump on everyone else who is looking to get that advantage down to that first turn and ANY small thing at that point will get a reaction. And yeah , nothing wrong with trying to jump the start. As a former athlete the one thin that used to bug me was getting that perfect start only to have the moron starter call me for "jump starting" especially when video clearly shows that the gun went off BEFORE i moved. I hate this shit because my reaction time is so fast that it became a consistent problem.

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

I’m not sure what athlete or sport you were in but as a collegiate sprinter this is precisely opposite to the rules. Valtteri as proven was at best Ill informed. I wouldn’t assume for everyone but you’re perfectly within your rights to speculate and criticize. I’ve heard you and it doesn’t jive with feedback but I’ll certainly keep an eye on it. I won’t try to re explain bc if it didn’t make sense it’s not going to and I respect that. We just disagree on this one. I’m glad I affirmed your POV that’s good atleast

@jussayinmipeece1069

3 жыл бұрын

@@CYMotorsport what i am saying is that i hated the rule because i felt penalized for being quicker off the mark than everyone else. And no, i am not saying you are wrong. I am saying i really have no idea what you are saying because i dont see it. In any case my understanding of F1 jump start rule is that there is essentially a box that you must be stationary in at the start of the race and if at the start you have moved forward or are moving outside or inside of that box then you have jumped the start. Consequently even if you moved before the start but remained inside that box AND are stationary at go time then you have NOT jumped the start. I think that may be what you were more or less saying?

Best f1 analysis and history videos I love being a fan of your channel man, keep it up!

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

love havin ya partner

I don't have any problem regarding Valtteri not receiving penalty. My problem is because FIA assumed that he's fine without any investigation. However, I might be wrong, where the FIA might be reacting to warning sign after the limits rather than human's eye.

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

I hear what you mean. I wish I could re frame it to people if they think he violated the regulation. Bc I have noticed people keep saying he doesn’t deserve a penalty not realizing that’s subjective . That’s everything a rule shouldn’t be. I don’t want him penalized I want the FIA to remove themselves from making subjective calls about drivers.

As far as I know, to be considered a jump start, he is supposed to be out of his box (marked by the yellow line) when the lights go out. He wasn't. Vettel was in the video you showed, for example. I could be wrong, but I believe that to be the case. No need for transponders or anything, even, they can see that from the onboard cameras.

@CYMotorsport

3 жыл бұрын

Regulations specifically cite movement. I time stamped the rules bc I know the regs are boring as shit haha but I’m notoriously in favor of strict interpretation of them on this channel for better or worse

@MarcosCodas

3 жыл бұрын

@@CYMotorsport That's totally fine, dude! And your prerogative. I just don't think it sets any sort of bad precedent, and clearly, neither do other teams or drivers (only Vettel, but I think he's miffed because of his own record of jumping the starts). So, if it's OK with them, driving with Valtteri, it's OK with me, to be honest. Just like you said, it's about context. And in this context, Valtteri got f*d by his mistake. And the 10 second penalty would have probably not affected the result. I think the stewards take that kinda stuff into consideration. Perhaps I'm wrong, though.