I think Open the armory is a better option than the Stonehewer Giant, and a budget option to Steelshaper's Gift plus you can search an aura.

@nickfitzpatrick5878

3 жыл бұрын

Its also got reprinted in Commander legends

@zoltanwolfe1260

3 жыл бұрын

This is the right opinion

@michaelmaurath109

3 жыл бұрын

It comes in the deck.

@jakeelephant006

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmaurath109 Open the Armory does not come in the precon.

@Meanshadows

3 жыл бұрын

Drives me nuts they said stonehewer over open the armory.

Best upgrade guide: Step 1: take out 3 random cards Step 2: put in Helm, Sword, and Shield of Kaldra Step 3: Lose to Crim

@159RaMa159

3 жыл бұрын

Decksperado...

@AhranMaoDante

3 жыл бұрын

LMFAO. Pretty much.

@johanandersson8252

3 жыл бұрын

And Naya Panorama

@nicholasrolo886

3 жыл бұрын

You have to remove sol ring and add Hedron archive

@johanandersson8252

3 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasrolo886 Hedron Archive

I'm sure you guys are aware of this by now but these decks are confirmed to have been designed prior to the zendikar ones, so the zendikar ones being better is a good sign of progressive development, not, what some people seem to think, a decline in the quality

@TrainmasterGT

3 жыл бұрын

Well that's good to know! Thanks for sharing!

@trowawayacc

3 жыл бұрын

Did not know, where is your source?

@gypsieking3280

3 жыл бұрын

Gavin's podcast did confirm this. I just hope they dont pull a wizards and realize they can still give us less and know people will still buy.

@Tupiaz

3 жыл бұрын

@@gypsieking3280 Easy solution don't buy this deck.

@gypsieking3280

3 жыл бұрын

@@Tupiaz true, I haven't. I have most of the reprints anyway but I have long ago learned my own voting with my wallet has little effect as MTG is big business and I am but a tiny cog.

Just a reminder that the Commander legends precons were actually designed first so if it seems like they took a step backwards they really didn't.

@cashlaidbesideme

3 жыл бұрын

could i play a commander with a pre-built like this?

@ptodd5373

3 жыл бұрын

@@cashlaidbesideme yes the precon commander decks are a great place to start playing commander. And the cheap set decks they have released recently are great. I would say get either the blue/black rogue deck. Or one of the 2 that came out with Kaldheim set.

We had a guy playing this precon out of the box against our decks and it held it's own. We suck lol

@dedpoptart

2 жыл бұрын

Just bought this deck and it is pretty mean for the cost.

Flickerwisp is to move auras, still not great but yeah

@Puffuel

3 жыл бұрын

bump

@therealax6

3 жыл бұрын

But how would it do that? When the creature is flickered, the auras all go to the graveyard. Is there some interaction I'm missing?

@felipeakira9568

3 жыл бұрын

@@therealax6 You Flicker the aura, the rules then determine that the player who owns it gets to choose which creature it enchants back.

@therealax6

3 жыл бұрын

@@felipeakira9568 Oh, right, it can blink any permanent. For some reason I had it stuck in my mind that it had to blink a creature. Thanks!

@10JudgeP

3 жыл бұрын

@@therealax6 Yes it can target the aura not the creature

There's enough lands in this deck to trick you into thinking its a Green deck

@Deris76

3 жыл бұрын

But then you look at the card draw options and you're quickly realizing you play a boros deck

@mondananikoukari8928

3 жыл бұрын

@@Deris76 ha

I just bought that deck and it is incredibly fast and awesome

@lexiss1870

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it was a pretty awesome deck.

People are seriously sleeping on this guy. He’s super good, the Trample is insanely good on a Voltron commander too. I love him!

@caseywellington4761

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, but the deck isn't good

I feel like this deck would have been a great place to reprint Steelshapers Gift. Really disappointed it wasn't included.

I was looking forward to this episode! since I bought that deck and with your help I will improve it. thanks! You are great

i stumbled on this channel, so far it is helping me knowing what i bought. i getting back into the game after over a year of not playing after i sold all my cards last janurary.

I'm glad that I had some of the same thoughts when upgrading this deck on my own (flickerwisp, odric, too many lands)

The Enthralling Victor ad was fantastic. Incredibly clever.

instead of stonehewer giant, put in "Open the Armory".

@Balooh

3 жыл бұрын

For sure. 2 mana sorcery to get an Aura or equipment makes it faster and more flexible. I use it in all my decks that rely on equipment.

@Servbot40

3 жыл бұрын

@@Balooh Had it in my Taigam Deck that only had 2 equips and 1 aura, still worked.

@Speetlebeetle

3 жыл бұрын

@@Servbot40 of course if you have 3 targets you really want then a cheap tutor to get 1/3 of great for the deck

@memelorddavid2938

3 жыл бұрын

i feel stonehewer giant is perfect actually, the deck doesn't have a lot of creatures anyways but open the armory is still great, id want at least 5 kind of tutors.

@crhisleon12

3 жыл бұрын

I was going to comment that too. They missed that one hard, its 2$.

Ardenn, Interpid Archaeologist is one that makes sense to add

Word of seizing can grab a planeswalker and ult it. You can also grab a cradle, steal a voltron commnder, blow out a combo or alpha strike, and in very desperate situations, grant haste to a creature you just played.

Just got this deck from my sister! Super excited to get into magic!

I want a Ultr-Pro ad where you shuffle your own decks on camera so we see the sweet shuffle feel in action.

@Merc89PSU

3 жыл бұрын

LOL 🤣

I picked up both decks this weekend and I think this will be the one I build. Although I already have 2 Voltron decks built in Sram and Syr Gwen.

One of the first cards I got out of a Zendikar Rising booster was a full art Nahiri Heir of the Ancients. Going to be buying this to slide her in

I put commander plate in and that's pretty awesome with wyleth

Finally! I am so happy we're getting actually good Boros Equipment cards. I've been playing since Fate Reforged and trying to find a good and fun Boros deck together ever since (It's my absolute favorite guild). If this exact pre-con had come out 2-3 years ago, it would have been bonkers. Sadly, there has been a lot of power creep. Nevertheless, I enjoy this way more than the niche strategies (Think FS&SS, Feather and even Winota) being the color combination's only highlights. They of course should exist too, but these cards all build towards Boros combat strategies being actually viable in multiplayer EDH. Which I think will be good for both Boros Fans like myself, as for the format as a whole. Combat being actually dangerous and relevant could help pull EDH back from the Ramp/Combo exclusive meta we have now. Can't combo if you're dead! Some other suggestions for aspirant Boros Equipment players: Akiri, Fearless Voyager (probably still good enough effects to include, even in a more focused Voltron build) Reyav, Master Smith (cheap uncommon from CMR, no voltron is complete without Double Strike) Puresteel Paladin (better Sram, with super equipment synergy) Tome of Legends (good in any commander-combat focused deck, cheap in mana and money cost, get it while you still can) Heavenly Blademaster (can be a good top-end, would proabably need a more upgraded equipment package though) Danitha Capashen (alternative beater, makes equipment cheaper) I feel the deck can be build in a way where Akiri and Wyren (and to a lesser extent Reyav) are fairly interchangeable. Basically just drop the aura subtheme, which I think might be a good idea anyway. Baller cards (no explanation, their power should be obvious): Stoneforge Mystic, Enlightened Tutor, Batterskull, Sword of X&Y (take your pick) Also, replace the boardwipes with ones that actually synergize with a voltron synegy like Single Combat And look at the Command Zone's video on Akiri. I put in the ZNR lands and Crucible of World on their recommendation, and it feels very smooth. I really hope they keep the Boros hot streak going in Kaldheim I have good hope, dwarves and more equipment please?

@ironocy496

3 жыл бұрын

Excellent suggestions!

It's nice that Boros is having a lot of good commanders that are synergistic with each other. Equipments are still a niche deck building restriction, but if you put Wyleth, Akiri, Sram and Reyav together the deck feels very coherent and one single swing gives you so much value. Also, am I the only one thinking on building Wyleth with an Aura theme?

@Iam_SHODAN

3 жыл бұрын

That's what I went with too. Being able to swing every turn and draw like 6-7 cards is awesome.

@thedanath

3 жыл бұрын

the big downside to auras is they can be super vulnerable to removal unless your running Open the Vaults, Replenish or Retether

@chriso4529

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you on the boros thing. I know that most people hate on boros for being narrowly a combat focused color combination. But I actually like that its sticking to its flavor/keeping its identity.

@Tupiaz

3 жыл бұрын

@@chriso4529 You can easily keep it boros and make other decks. Make a commander which gives other creatures myriad. That way you have a change at making a go wide strategy.

@nik700

3 жыл бұрын

@@chriso4529 Yeah, I don't care about Boros being super combat focused, but if that's the case then we need more efficiency. The thing that bothers me the most is that I can't put Feather in my Winota deck, this trend of commanders in the same vein helps, maybe Akiri isn't top tier but with all this pieces together it becomes better

I feel like the scry lands would be the perfect non basics to put in these cheaper edh precons. They just help smooth out game play.

I think Ardenn from Commander Legends is a great add to this deck. Helps re-equip and swing.

@luckytheprotoboi826

3 жыл бұрын

Just replace Wylenn with the partners Rograhh and Ardenn, add collusses hammer, and Grafted Exoskeleton.

I would say open the armory and sword of the animist would be very nice upgrades. They certainly give you lots of room for improvement out of the box...

You can use this deck for additional pieces to the Jirina commander deck from earlier this year. Lots of synergy to boost the soldiers that are gonna swing it.

ROGUE’S GLOVES and MASK OF MEMORY!! Slap those on your deck

@jacobjensen7704

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely mask of memory. Maybe not rogue's gloves.

@mondananikoukari8928

3 жыл бұрын

and infiltration lens

@jacobjensen7704

3 жыл бұрын

@@mondananikoukari8928 not a big fan of that one either.

Was 2nd in my 1st commander game using that deck.

This seems like a good purchase to me. Not to play of course, but to strip for parts. The instants and equipment might help fill out my Feather the Redeemed and Nahiri decks.

@devinparrish1691

Жыл бұрын

That what I’m doing I’ll let you know how well it works in 2022 now but seems like a good purchase love that it includes a soul ring

Don't forget the Rupture Spire and Transguild Promonade in the two color deck that is low curve 😂😂😂 Their thoughts are same as mine. Wouldn't even play them in a budget 5 color deck

@trowawayacc

3 жыл бұрын

Those are wierd inclusions given we got the good lands from previews commander product reprinted.

@leemiller6977

3 жыл бұрын

They totally could have put Battlefield Forge and Inspiring Vantage in instead......or something. WTF to that.

@HighlanderHipster

3 жыл бұрын

@@leemiller6977 Yea just the land that was already printed in the set with it would have been fine. Hell I'd be much happier if they were basics so new players don't have to play with such an insulting Mana base. Overall the balance in this deck design is pretty embarrassing. Don't get me wrong for $20 it's not an awful product in terms of contents, but in terms of a deck I wouldn't feel comfortable with telling a friend to sit down and play with this deck even if it's only against other precons.

I think the Blazing Sunsteel does go in the "stop hitting yourself deck." It goes infinite with Stuffy Doll/Brash Taunter. Deal damage, then Stuffy Doll can hit something else with its own trigger while hitting itself again with the Sunsteel. 6 mana is still a lot, but 6 mana to win the game? Maybe worth.

Nazahn's Hammer. That one thing you did that no one will ever let you get away from.

@hunterstephens3671

3 жыл бұрын

What's the price on this? Feels like a reasonable upgrade.

Sword of the Animist should be an auto include since you want to attack and it will get you a land.

@leemiller6977

3 жыл бұрын

Yup

I finally watched the new Mulan. Cool to see you there.

@mondananikoukari8928

3 жыл бұрын

yeah it was

I was SUPER excited about this commander. I don’t love the way they prebuilt it though, my sun forget package is only 10 instants. The way I built it is a little more expensive though, using Hammer of Nazahn, puresteel paladin, Zirda the Dawnwaker and sigardas aid for cheating equip costs, then Heavenly Baldemaster as a potential backup plan for when Wyleth has been killed four times and is not longer castable

I could be wrong, but I think flickerwisp was in there to shift around an aura from one creature to another if needed. Not a great add, but I think by that was the thought process.

I was always thinking you could go more auras than equipment, and get Sigil of the Empty Throne in the deck for added value. I'd also add All That Glitters to go with the strat and Zirda, the Dawnbreaker to make equipment cost lessened.

@jacquesdespadas

3 жыл бұрын

You could skew the deck hard into W and add a lifegain/lifelink theme, then add both the Sigil (good call, btw) and Angelic Accord. Angels for days! 👍👍

Well, I was looking for a low level commander deck, this way I can have multiple decks of varying powers for different playgroups.

Did you notice, Blazing Sunsteel is the sword that Wyleth is holding,on his card?

@faerie7dragon

3 жыл бұрын

That's really cool, doubt they noticed though, they were busy adding crappy low cost equipment.

@taurincochran3398

3 жыл бұрын

@@faerie7dragon it's the key card!

wizards could have easily put a puresteel paladin alongside sram in the precon

@jacket2848

3 жыл бұрын

Puresteel is like 4 times the price

Open the Armory should have been the FIRST thing you added. With the reprint it's now 44 cents. Puresteel Paladin is only 4.11 so that definitely needs to go in too.

Going to give the deck a shot after I adjust it. Removing 4 lands to start and putting in Nahiri, heir to the ancients. 11 creatures is just to little so adding her for some free blockers. Also maybe adding Rings of Brighthearth

Flickerwisp is in the deck to "reequip" auras to other creatures when they come back to the field. I guess it's there to be able to reattach auras to Wyleth if you've played them on something else first, but with so few targets to use this effect it is indeed a head scratcher. You can also flick your opponents stuff, but you wouldn't really run that card just for that. Tho, I'm happy they are keeping it's price low with reprints.

great video and great comments too. I really need to upgrade this deck xD

If split second is on the stack, nothing that uses the stack can go onto the stack until it resolves. So no sacrifice in response but you can morph in response!

Single combat is a pretty good wipe for voltron decks

4:05

I think flickerwisp was put in to move auras around. Granted, it's completely outclassed by the new white partner, but it targets any permanent, so that seems the most likely reason.

Well there is also the white uncommon legendary which lets u attach auras and equipments for free at the beginning of combat, he would fit!

Board the Weatherlight may only search the top five but with so many equipment you're bound to find something

@psy_p

3 жыл бұрын

Can also grab one of the legendary creatures.

Blazing Sunsteel's equip cost makes a lot more sense once you realize it goes infinite with Brash Taunter... like the Godo + Helm combo, it can't be cheap in terms of mana.

@OhNoTheFace

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah god forbid boros do something

@mistermastermind528

9 ай бұрын

Theme-wise though, Blazing Sunsteel is the weapon on Wyleth's hand in the artwork. So, making it a little difficult for him to equip without the enablers just feels uninspired. It should've had something like Nazahn and his hammer.

Find a spot for reconnaissance. It’s perfect for the commander

Bludgeon brawl is great if you are playing smothering tithe, or play a lot of mana rocks.

Hey guys, huge fan of the show! It's clear you guys aren't feeling the deck and perhaps that was what was making the review seem laborious. I think if the deck doesn't inspire you guys, you should try and take it in a direction that's completely different than what the pre-con suggests. Maybe you make a deck with the wackiest equipment out there, or do warrior tribal?! Just a suggestion!

Flickerwisp is in the deck so that you can flicker an aura to move it between creatures

Isnt there a 2 Mana equipment Tutor from Shadows over innistrad? „Open the Armory“ of Something like That.

I found a creature this deck needs. Champion of the flame, 1/1 trample for 1 and a red, he gets a +2/2 for each aura and equipment attached to it.

(37:40) You can also put in Stonehewer Giant, he's only $6.99. 😎👍

me and my brother say keep blazing sunsteel the same but it costs 1 and a hybrid boros have either the hammer of nezahn effect to auto equip equipment or have an effect when it deals combat damage to an opponent you gain mana of one color equiped creature’s color identity equal to the damage.

Hey I was just thinking they thought Wyleth would go into an akiri deck but I feel like it is the other way since akiri can only draw one card and Wylethcan draw you multiple card

I just played this earlier today and Flickerwisp was actually useful. My opponent had the new simic deck, so his creatures were three times the size of mine and Flickerwisp was my only flyer. Also, it allowed me to flicker Oreskos Explorer twice for extra ramp. I expect to break this one down and file it. If I were upgrading, based on how that first game went, the first thing I'd add would be Leonin Abunas.

@FlamingViCTiM

3 жыл бұрын

oreskos explorer isn't ramp. it just searches in your hand. but for 4 mana and the restriction that you have to be behind for it to do anything, it should put at least one on the field

That Blazing Sunsteel COULD possibly have a place in my Nin, the Pain Artist deck. That equip cost is still nuts though. It'd be sweet to have it on Brash Taunter etc and just nail it with Nin's ability to draw a lot of cards and deal that much damage to that target twice.

I don't know why, but this deck looks less cheap when you just read it. It has quite a handful of best equipment things

I think you all should play these upgraded pre-cons on Game Knights. Maybe have an episode where you play with the last 4 decks you have upgraded?

@ironocy496

3 жыл бұрын

They could base it off EDHRec average decks or something as a baseline. Or attach a value cap to it.

35:00 something i'd like to point out to people about this card is it'll trigger any creature with effects like Infect, Deathtouch, and Lifelink

Puresteel paladin is an auto include, get it while it is cheap after the double masters reprint I'd like something like balan or heavenly blade master as a backup in case the commander tax gets too high

i would recommend three cards: balan, whispersilk cloak and grafted exoskeletton. everything is good on its own and these three together one-shot an opponent

Can't wait for the Reap the Tides deck.

I think the reprint value is low because they're not reprints that everyone is after, like anything green. But for boros/equipment there's good stuff here that just happens to be cheaper than whats more popular. If reprints are going to drop prices anyway, I like having more strategies covered by that effect. Edit: now that I think about it, Puresteel Paladin would have been fine in here but its just missing for no reason. Ignore me

@mondananikoukari8928

3 жыл бұрын

so true... also if you want smothering tithe just buy the orzhov recon deck for one of the revnica set

Bought this commander deck for £10 on sale, I'm determined to make this work.

Can flickerwisp be used move an aura from one creature to another? That is the only thing I could possibly think would be useful if you put an aura on a different creature and wanted to move it to Wyleth.

I'm surprised you did not include Mask of Memory in your list. While you do have to land damager to your opponent, draw 3 discard 1 is pretty good.

I actually like this deck a lot and thats mainly because if I want to build a Boros equipments deck this gives me a proper base for the theme. What I mean by that is that it really doesn't have to many "second best" options. you get the swords to plowshares, the boros charm, sunforger, sigardas aid, generous gift, wear/tear etc. Any card I don't have to switch is a + in my book and this was my problem with the last naya deck because obuun plays differently from the naya style the 99 enforced. with this base I can also start building Ardenn/rograkh etc. whereas with obuun I almost felt I had to switch commanders

There is a bunch of other sorceries that cost 2 mana that search for equipment. Open the armory is an example and it finds auras too

@psy_p

3 жыл бұрын

But the Giant cheats cast AND equip costs, provides a body to be equiped and is reusable.

flickerwisp has some synergy with dualcaster mage, kor cartographer, Oreskos Explorer, unqestioned Authority, faith unbroken or Ironclad slayer where you could decide what you need at that time but it is not the deck that you will think about putting it.

I just thought of it now but you could sing "It's ain't a scene it's an arms race" of Fall Out Boy and now I'm sad you didn't Still a great job you provided us, big thanks to you guys

@actuallyentertaininggaming5950

3 жыл бұрын

song kinda looses it flow without the "GODDAMN" lyric in there tho...

Flicker wisp is in the deck in order to flicker the creature that might block and kill the commander. I know it is stupid but it is probably the reason why it is in

I was hoping the other set review vids would be up before these

holy crap, excellent commercials fellas! Great work

I kinda wanna put Kemba Kha Regent and the other "when this creature is equipped get a thing" leonin cards. That and some of the jankier red stuff like deretti, faithless looting and other red draw might make this deck go smoother. I also wanna put open the armory as an additional tutor... all in all despite its drawbacks I think im gonna try this deck out

Is there a reason that open the armory isn't mentioned? Seems like a perfect fit and cheaper than steelshaper's gift.

0:25 al yancovic: allow me to introduce myself.

Dragon Shield sleeves for the win!

I mean if u sticking with the whole instants thing from sunforger u could play feather in the deck

Hello! could do an episode where thanks to your knowledge can you see the maximum potential of these decks? something like the ultimate version of a precon deck. I comment on this because there are many people (myself included) who are new to the format buy these products but do not know how to improve them. Thank you very much for your content watching one you learn a lot xD

I think you guys missed Ardenn, Intrpid Archeaoligist. It solves a LOT of the problems.

I think the point of Flickerwisp is you can remove a creature from an opponent’s side of the field for a turn and allow Wyleth a safe swing, or that’s at least their logic in putting it in there. Unsure why they didn’t just instead print Path to Exile or some better form of removal though.

So i bought this deck ladt week and so far with a bit of swaping (theres way to much land) ive got the deck to a consent trun 7 commander damage victory in 4 man pods

I hate to say it but I would've loved to have seen a 50 dollar budget options and really give the deck some more bang for it's buck

flickerwisp can blink equipment when sigarda's aid is ourt to auto equip if u dont have the mana

Possible synergy with Blazing Sunsteel, Inquisitor's Flail. Equipped creature does double damage but takes double damage

@caseywellington4761

3 жыл бұрын

Oh snap

Jimmy - you need to use some of that sweet Mulan money to get every card that came out this year. As a fellow Disney cast member I am so happy for you, finally saw Mulan on + last night and I did the Decaprio meme point at you.

Love your content keep it up!

Silver-inlaid dagger would be really good

With Steelshapers gift you could also have mentioned Stoneforge Mystic.

@psy_p

3 жыл бұрын

No budget and everyone knows that.

I'm pretty sure flicker wisp is to flicker auras to change who they are attached too, though that seems rather useless

Gift of immortality is better except for that when your commander dies and returns all the attached auras would've been destroyed and the equipment would need to be reequipped am I wrong?

@markharris2465

3 жыл бұрын

you give him Indestructible

@avalon2962

3 жыл бұрын

It's better if you don't want to keep casting your commander. But giving indestructible keeps your equipment/auras on the target. If you have pure steel and a bunch of equipment then gift is better

@psy_p

3 жыл бұрын

Gift is worse in voltron. Indestructibility is better because , on top of what was said, you can wrath to clear the blockers and swing freely.

Flickerwisp could also flicker an aura you control to change the creature it is enchanting.. overall flickerwisp is never a bad card, but yeah, not that much on theme...there are def. COOLER choices