No wonder Ezio had beef with this family.

@theshenpartei

Жыл бұрын

Other than killing his uncle, his father and brothers.

@FidesAla

Жыл бұрын

That’s fiction, and it’s slander. Rodrigo died of malaria, and people go around throwing murder accusations at him. The Borgias were no more corrupt than anyone else at the time, and they actually did a lot of good. Please read Sarah Bradford’s biographies of them. All the salacious legends have no historical evidence behind them.

@vampiregamingyt8754

Жыл бұрын

​@@theshenpartei his father and brothers were killed by the Pazzi family

@theshenpartei

Жыл бұрын

@@vampiregamingyt8754 yep and his uncle Mario was killed by Cesare but they were killed by the hand of Rodrigo

@thebandit0256

Жыл бұрын

Ezio Auditore da Firenze

The Borgia family reminds of a song from a man from Florence this is what sang Young Cesare, I heard him say Could not be killed by man So I tossed him through the air To see where he might land. Cesare, oh Cesare, A man of great depravity Believed himself immortal 'til He had a date with gravity.

@Ennio444

Жыл бұрын

Too bad the Ubisoft people didn't know that gravity hadn't been discovered and named by Newton in the 1500's.

@PrinzDerNarren

Жыл бұрын

Do you have the original Titel? Thank you for your comment ;)

@theshenpartei

Жыл бұрын

@@PrinzDerNarren you are welcome and the song speaks for itself and it was featured in ac revelations

@Ennio444

Жыл бұрын

@@PrinzDerNarren isn't the song from Assassin's Creed?

@theshenpartei

Жыл бұрын

@@Ennio444 yes and more specifically ac revelations

Interesting fact: Cesare Borgia, "The Prince", was actually an ancestor to Alexis de Tocqueville, the author of "The Democracy in America".

@simonegallo323

Жыл бұрын

Wow ahah that's cool. Could you share some tree or source that shows the connection? I'm really intrugued

@LBF522

Жыл бұрын

That is interesting. Thanks for the information.

@chef-kiss

Жыл бұрын

Source?

@ruyfernandez

Жыл бұрын

Wikidata. (*Geneanet) "The Prince" (Macchiavelli) is Cesare Borgia, Duke of Valentinois (1475-1507). His only child was Louise Borgia, Duchess of Valentinois (1500-1553). Her eldest child was Claude de Boubon, Count of Busset (1531-1588). His eldest child was César de Bourbon, Count of Busset (1565-1630). His eldest child was Anne de Bourbon (1595-1641). Her only child was Louise de Pracomtal (Baroness of Soussey?) (?-?). Her only child was Antoine Louis de Damas, Count of Crux (?-1701*). His only child was Etienne de Damas, Count of Crux (1674->1721). His only child was Louis Alexandre de Damas, Marquess of Menou (?-1763). His eldest child was Catherine Antoinette de Damas (1749-1785). Her only child was Hervé Clérel de Tocqueville (1772-1856). His second child (and second son) was Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859), author of the "Democracy in America".

@xavisanchez7522

5 ай бұрын

Borja family, from the Valencian Country, catalan speakers, for them spanish was a strange language like it is still today in catalan speaking regions

i was pleased to see the acknowledgement of Ezio ending Cesare's life but i was over the moon with the inclusion of his song composed on the go while in Istambul. clearly a man of knowledge

Couldn't help but giggle when you had to clarify Giulia Farnese was on the left when the only other subject in the painting is a unicorn. 😂

@huairen-mq9ld

Жыл бұрын

I was wondering what that "left" mean, I though the left of the chart😅 then I spot the unicorn😂😂

"To which Margaret Thatcher PEACEFULLY protested" 😮😶

Really cool! After this video and the previous one about the Medici, I hope we will also see one about the Sforza family.

I can't believe the timing of this video! I was watching 'horrible histories' on TV with my grandchildren, and there was a song about them on it! I did some research myself and then saw that this video was posted just one hour ago! Thank you 🥳 😊

@kate_cooper

Жыл бұрын

The Addams Family spoof?

@lucillebluth2616

Жыл бұрын

@@kate_cooper Yes! That's the one

I watched this for the AC reference. I was not disappointed. That game is what introduced me to this crazy family.

@adriannahowell2359

2 ай бұрын

i spent a good minute thinking about why animal crossing mentioned renaissance families LOL

0:56 Alfonso de Borja/Pope Calixtus III 4:42 *Rodrigo Borgia/Pope Alexander VI* 14:18 Cesare Borgia 18:02 Francis Borgia

12:18 When the Sforza family eventually bores ya, We'll just annull the marriage if he refuses to divorce ya.

@heathergarnham9555

Жыл бұрын

Don't worry, another man I'll get for you

I'm playing AC brotherhood again right now. So this video comes at he perfect time

@theshenpartei

Жыл бұрын

Everyone knows about that family through that game or the Netflix series

@theshenpartei

Жыл бұрын

Useful charts needs to a video on the pazzi

@FidesAla

Жыл бұрын

It’s all slander! They were no worse than anyone else. Rodrigo died of malaria, and to this day, disgusting people like the ones who made those games continue to slander him and his children with accusations. It’s a horrible historical injustice. Please read Sarah Bradford’s books about them.

@Chadius_Thundercock

17 күн бұрын

@@theshenparteiwhat’s the netflix series called I never heard of it

Awesome video. I liked the part where you referenced Ezio Auditore at 17:24

10:33 thanks for pointing out Giulia Farnese was the woman on the left and not the unicorn in her arms!

@paulinalevina9690

2 ай бұрын

Lol

There is a Game of Thrones link here, Gioffre and Sancha are directly implanted into the story as Joffrey and Sansa

Thank you, will you be doing the Colonna, d'Este, Sforza and Gonzaga families?

@IzzyRain

Жыл бұрын

Would love a Sforza one

I recently got very interested in the Borgias and started hoping you'd make a video! Can't believe it happened so quickly after I happened to think of it, thank you. Compared to other dynasties/periods (like the Tudors for example) there's not as much KZread content about them to enjoy. I would love to see videos on all the other families of the period in Italy that people are suggesting, especially the Estes

@Ennio444

Жыл бұрын

There are good books on the history of the Borgias. But be careful, there are also very sensacionalist books about them.

@ivylasangrienta6093

Жыл бұрын

There are also semi-true tv series about them.

@Ennio444

Жыл бұрын

@@ivylasangrienta6093 Not really. The French show is better than the Jeremy Irons show, but both take ample liberties with the sources and often will take as true only the most morbid versions of events, even when they're based on nothing but rumours, hearsay and slander, and that goes for everyone. For instance, having King Ferrante of Naples dining with his taxidermised political enemies is basically Jacob Burckhardt (the only source I know for this story, a 19th Century historian) trying to show that Renaissance culture could also be depraved by showing various examples of decadent behaviour among humanist kings and rulers. A result of the tug of war between his admiration of Renaissance Italy and his Calvinist tencencies to modesty and sobriety. The "museum of mummies" trope, the ruler who dines with his dead enemies, is as old as Herodotus, so maybe he didn't invent it, but it sure was convenient for him. By the way, King Ferrante was considered, at his time, by people like Machiavelli, as one of the most prime political minds in Europe of his age, at least until his cousin Ferdinand became King of Aragon, his court was one of the most splendid in Italy, and he fathered 19 confirmed children (!!), with his wives and lovers, and probably more with unnamed mistresses. These shows also go down the route of always showing the clergy as corrupt (they were, but corruption as such was not the same as today; being a little corrupt was expected, but it was fine as long as it was meant to maintain a retinue of clients, followers and agents, because it was seen as generous, not greedy, to give to your own people, to share the spoils) but also stupid and ignorant. It's hard for us to fathom how scholarly most of these high clergymen were, we're talking about people whose main job was to rule, to debate the finest points of theology and Church doctrine, and to direct part of European politics, society, philosophy... Instead, shows like Da Vinci's Demons show us a Pope laughably bathing naked in a cross-shaped baptismal pool (???) and saying "Fuck" all the time. They didn't even say "fuck" back then... and in the Borgias American show, the Papal election, which should be a thrilling moment of poltical intrigue, is basically a display of how much the writers aren't as intelligent as the people they're trying to write, and instead had them behave like Italoamerican mobsters, beating some cardinals down and openly bribing others. Besides being bad history, they're also pretty bad shows, the Jeremy Irons show consistently at Late Seasons Game of Thrones levels of awful contrivance, dialgoue, and characters with jetpacks.

Always happy to see an Assassin's Creed reference here. Well played, UsefulCharts, well played. :) As for the pronunciation of Borja, pronouncing the j as an h here is correct if you take the (modern) Castillian approach. However, as pointed out they were Catalan and in Catalan the letter J is pronounced like in French as a zh sound (a voiced sh) and in Valencia it's actually pronounced as the English J so just going for Borja (English J as in John) would have been fine.

@theshenpartei

Жыл бұрын

Sooner or later useful charts needs to do a ezio family tree

@weepingscorpion8739

Жыл бұрын

@@theshenpartei I believe I have seen some fan made family trees of Desmond Miles' and Subject 16's ancestry and these have included Altaïr, the Auditori, and the three Kenways (Edward, Haytham and Connor/Ratohnhnaké:ton). But seeing these trees getting the UsefulCharts treatment would indeed be very nice.

@theshenpartei

Жыл бұрын

@@weepingscorpion8739 useful charts needs to make that happen along with the Ben Franklin gates family tree that is family from national treasure and each gate family member has its own story that is equally interesting since the ancestors to Ben were wild

@eduardomarques91

Жыл бұрын

I was just going to comment about the pronunciation of Borja. Castillan is not the only language in the Iberian peninsula. In Portuguese, we (as a Brazilian) pronounce the same as Catalans.

@keithharper32

Жыл бұрын

were they actually Catalans? IIRC, they originated from the town of Borjia, which was in a Spanish speaking part of Aragon

Concise yet exhaustive, really well put together Keep them coming!🔥

10:34 Julia Farnese (LEFT) Bitch do you want me to think you're talking about a UNICORN?!?!?!??!?!

Nice presentation, Syawish. Thanks!

@HS-qn4hq

Жыл бұрын

Agreed.

Fascinating!

I know most of you guys know them from Assassins Creed but if you've got some time then I would highly recommend both The Borgias and Borgia TV series. The Borgias has the better Pope and Cesare's Assassin while Borgia has the better Cesare and also an actual ending.

@Armandoch54

Жыл бұрын

How can you say that The Borgias ‘had a better Pope’. That skeletal, gaunt guy was a poor casting decision for fat, horny Rodrigo Borgia lol

@sofiekaterina

Жыл бұрын

I second this! I still haven't gotten to see the end of Borgia. And while I agree Borgia's Cesare was much more realistic and dark I actually love The Borgia's Cesare and just more overall - despite all the inaccuracies and reliance on rumour and dramatisation.

Literally one of the most based families in history

Another thing that Calixtus iii did as pope was that he foresaw the retrial of Joan of Arc, even though she was dead for over a decade at that point. Eventually she was vindicated, and I read somewhere that aparently the city of Orleans celebrated the the vindication, alongside Joan's mother

Had Alexander VI not died Cesare might had been able to unify the Italian peninsula under Papal rule (more likely he would've declare himself King of Italy and branch of from the Papacy) and history as we know it would've been much different. If a fractured Italy was able to be the economic center of the western world spawning movements such as the renaissance imagine what a unified peninsula since the 1500s could've accomplished.

Thank you.

Wow!!! As a World History teacher, I cannot but be proud of this video.... I can now add another reason to my bitter reasons why the Showtime series upon this family was crap. Thanks!

I just had the Horrible Histories song in my head the whole time I listened to this.

Hello. I love your videos and your charts. I was wondering when the Timeline of World History book would be restocked?

Terrible narration due to annotator’s personal comments, like “horrible people”.

The Borgias, despite being called like that and originally stemming from a family of knights from Borja, became prominent in Valencia. This is why they were often called Catalani or maligned as Catalanus as well as Hispani by the other Italian cardinals and clergymen in Rome. The French popes had mostly been Avignon popes at that point, so that didn't count, and the Roman Curia had true allergy to non-Italian Popes. Their fears (that they would make of the Papacy a Spanish affair, like they turned into an Italian, sometimes even just Roman, affair) came true mostly because of their very disobediance. You say the leading candidate to replace Nicholas V was Bessarion (who had quite the life and deserves his own video) but then say that the Cardinals wouldn't elect him because of his past as an Orthodox. Why, then, was he the leading candidate? Was it because of his attempts to unite the Catholic and Orthodox churches?

Never heard of these people. Very interesting family. I’ll be watching this again.

A slight correction: Borja is pronounced just like Borgia, not as pronounced here. The Borja were an aragonese family. In aragonese, like in catalan, j is pronounced as it is in english, not spanish

@santaklaus11

Жыл бұрын

En Aragón se hablaba, y se habla, español. Además, Borja en fabla es Borcha.

@RoderickVI

Жыл бұрын

@@santaklaus11 la gràfia ch és una invenció moderna, els textos antics aragonesos fan servir la j com tota la resta de llengues romàniques. Borja en aragonès era Borja. Sí, hi ha llocs a l'Aragó on s'ha parlat castellà tostemps, com Calatayud (que està molt a prop de Borja, sí). Però els Borja que van arribar al papat parlaven català (específicament la variant valenciana) i pronunciaven el seu nom: "Borja" com es fa en català. Aleshores si anem a parlar d'ells seria millor dir-lis Borja que no pas Borkha

Ah! Here it is!

Can't believe I missed this video when it first came out.

Ezio is the reason I became interested in this part of history!!

Fantastic video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍

The Borgias by G. J. Meyer actually casts some doubt that Cesare and lucrezia were actually the children of Alexander. At very least its an open question

@MrAllmightyCornholioz

Жыл бұрын

Assassin's Creed lore told me they were siblings.

@FidesAla

Жыл бұрын

That is an interesting book, and anything that says that the Borgias were good is a positive for me… … but there’s no reason to cast doubt on Alexander being their father. If you’re a mature adult in the 21st century, you shouldn’t have a problem with his having children, and even if he’s not their birth father, he was their adoptive father, so it’s the same thing. They were his children and they were still no worse than anyone else. I don’t understand why Meyer chose that hill to die on.

@delwynjones6408

Жыл бұрын

@@FidesAla I don't think its a matter of maturity. Its merely a historical quibble. I personally do think he was the father but also agree that the sources on the Borgias are often biased or scarce. Its good to question our historical assumptions.

I´m a Spaniard from Catalonia, but there was not such a thing as a "Catalan" at that time, it was the Crown of Aragón, Borja is a village in the now region fo Aragon, and Alfonso was born in Canals, Valencia, a different region than Catalonia.

For me connection to Popes and Kings is more interesting than to some president

Could you make of video on the Della Rovere family, Montefeltro family or the ruling families of Milan?

Awesome video

then at one point ezio was so mad he killed most of them the end 17:20 that came out of nowhere tho :D

Many thanks for this video! The narrative reminded me so much of the game Crusader Kings. The descriptions of members of the family tree was what was constantly running through my head as the game evolved. All those juicy shenanigans my line of rulers and their misbegotten relatives were up to were amazing and blurred the lines between history and fiction. I loved it! Maybe one day you guys can do a fictional chart and video of a CK2 game, I bet it will get pretty entertaining provided you have the time. The game can get really slow at times.

@FidesAla

Жыл бұрын

I can’t believe someone would use the word “misbegotten” in this day and age.

@CheeWaiLee1972

Жыл бұрын

@@FidesAla LOL 🤣. And for the Hapsburgs, I would add "malformed" to the mix.

In this city of Erie, Pa. lives a Borgia family. When I asked if he was related, he was embarrassed and looked down at the ground in shame. And said yes, but my family never speaks of it. He commented that he wasn't responsible. what his ancestors did in the past. True, but once you get that kind of notoriety, you can't shake it off.😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨 his name was Jose (Joseph) Borgia., has 4 children still living here in America.

Just chiming in about Borja's pronunciation. In catalan-valencian that j is pronounced the same as english Jacob or the G in George, not as the modern spanish "J" which resembles the H in ham more. This is important because a part from being the pronunciation the family actually used (along with the other surnames on the chart also being for the most part catalan-valencian, like Escrivà (Clerk/writer)) it's the one that gave the italianisation Borgia. Notice that italian retains the j/g sounds instead of rendering it like the spanish "j", which would probably been rendered as Borga with a hard g or Boria, since italian lacks the spanish j sound.

@themechanictangerine4337

Жыл бұрын

Borja were the family comes from is a town in Aragon not Catalonia or Valencia.

@Mutxarra

Жыл бұрын

@@themechanictangerine4337 as far as I know, the family can only be traced back to Xàtiva, which is in València and definitely was and still is a catalan-valencian speaking area. The fact that there's a village called Borja doesn't mean they came from there, just like most Garcias don't come from the catalan town of Garcia

@themechanictangerine4337

Жыл бұрын

@@Mutxarra the family was established in Valencia but their origin is in the town of Borja in Aragon, all the biographies and history of the Borja family say so, Borja is an Aragonese last name. Many Aragonese participated in the repopulation of the Kingdom of Valencia.

@lofdan

Жыл бұрын

El sonido de la j actual no aparece hasta el siglo XVIII. Antiguamente se pronunciaba /ʒ/ como la si del inglés 'vision'.

@themechanictangerine4337

Жыл бұрын

@@lofdan yes, Aragonese pronounced the j like Catalans not like in modern Spanish, in fact Castilians up to the mid-late fifteenth century pronounced the j similar to Catalan and Aragonese, Sephardic Jews still do.

I always found the Borgia very interesting, especially Cesare Borgia.

He convinced Luis to give up his titles, and Luis dies soon after, THAT'S not suspicious at all

Pointing out that Giulia Farnese was on the left was a stroke of genius!

12:15 Those millions of people were isolated from the rest of the world and their continent was unkown for us so yes, they were discovered. 13:52 "Do not give rise to or allow the Indians to receive any wrong in their persons and property, but rather that they be treated well and fairly, and if they have received any wrong, remedy it", Isabella the Catholic.

I was about to make a joke of "where are the Auditores?" Then you mentioned Ezio.

@theshenpartei

Жыл бұрын

I beat you to the punch

I prefer Matt’s videos where he discusses facts clearly and succinctly and avoids sweeping generalizations and/or personal commentary and judgement. These last two videos don’t make the grade and, in my opinion, shouldn’t be on this channel.

Came for the cool history lesson, stayed for Syawish's super cool accent.

I would love to see a video of the ottoman pashas

Not the same without Matt

I'm surprised you don't say much about Lucrezia. She was just as notorious a Borgia as the rest of them.

@FidesAla

Жыл бұрын

She did nothing wrong! None of of them did anything worse than anyone else! Please read Sarah Bradford’s biography of her. Get all that slander against her out of your mind.

@christopherlee627

Жыл бұрын

She really wasn't as bad as all that and most of what was attributed to her was completely false. I agree with the other comment, the book by Sarah Bradford is excellent at getting behind all the hype and looking at the real person.

Of course they weren't the most corrupt family in history, by the standards of renaissance Italy they weren't even that remarkable.

@FidesAla

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! They actually did a lot of good, and would have done more, and I’m sick of seeing all this hate. I can’t believe people are still doing this.

@mitch8072

Жыл бұрын

@@FidesAla i think the main resons the because they were not italian.

Haven't watched yet, but I'm guessing it looks more like a tumbleweed than a tree.

Well done!

Based

I think there is a lot more

And in the year 1492 the "Stiegl-Brewery" was founded in Salzburg. Just a Fun-Fact.

Who's this Savage now? I need to speak to Matt.

Wasn't it Pope Alexander (the one mentioned here) who famously said "Now that we have the papacy, let us enjoy it"?

@FidesAla

Жыл бұрын

That was Giovanni de’Medici, Pope Leo X. He was actually Cesare’s friend in school. There’s a great, extremely accurate manga about them called “Cesare: Il Creatore che ha distrutto” by Soryo Fuyumi. The TV series “Borgia: Faith and Fear” also has them as friends, but it has Alessandro Farnese with them when actually he was much older than them. Leo X was only 37 when he became pope.

Can you do Adolf Hitler's family line? I'm curious if there is any descendent from him, thank you 👍

@UsefulCharts

10 ай бұрын

Nope. Never going to do his tree. May his name be erased. But you answer your question: He has no direct descendants.

@pizzasteve9886

10 ай бұрын

@@UsefulCharts Thank you 👍

@pizzasteve9886

10 ай бұрын

@@UsefulCharts He is too important in history for having his name erased unfortunately 😢

@UsefulCharts

10 ай бұрын

His deeds should not be forgotten. But the name is not necessary to remember.

How about Medici family ?

A video on India's Political dynasty 'Nehru-Gandhi' would be awesome, (14/4/23 11:57pm)

Lucrezia, Giovanni, Gioffre & Cesare Italian barmy army, The Borgia Family

Recommend everyone watch the Tom Fontana Borgia Series from Canal+

Melons and boys... I'm almost like him, I like melons too! XD

I wonder what they really looked like

the Borgias were the villains in Assassin's Creed 2.

@theshenpartei

Жыл бұрын

Well they were just one of the villains in that game the others being the pazzi which I hope useful charts does a video on them they were the full villains in brotherhood

@FidesAla

Жыл бұрын

Terrible slander against them, they were no worse than anyone else, please read the books by Sarah Bradford about them.

What a cluster.

The Borgia Family 🫰🫰(Imagine I am clicking please)

..Columbus died believing he'd discovered a shortcut to India....pay attention..

templars all of them !

yunjin from le sserafim: *gasp* nepotism-

20 min train ride + 20 min freshly uploaded video = Happy me

Stop the slander! The Borgias didn’t do anything any worse than others at the time. Please read the books about them by Sarah Bradford. All the other cardinals had illegitimate children, too. The rumors about them were spread by specific individual enemies and was accepted by xenophobic Italians because they were Spanish. I can’t believe we’re still doing this.

@UsefulCharts

Жыл бұрын

Yup. That's why we made that point in the video and why there's a question mark in the title.

@MeldinX2

Жыл бұрын

Well the video is specifically about the Borgias also. So obviously they focus on their story and actions. Not what other people did at the time. Even if other cardinals also did similar things they are not the focus this time around.

@cloudkitt

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like something a Borgia would say

It is believed that the sacred heart picture of Jesus is actually Caesar and also the Pope made Caesar head of the Roman empire army.

swayish, no offense but focus on your own channel. you've had no new content for an insanely long time. leave narrating to matt 😊

13:36 - Margaret Tadger (Asparagus be upon her)...

@paulinalevina9690

2 ай бұрын

Are you an Argentinian?

"most corrupt family" the Bourbons have something to say there

Can you do the Carter’s family tree

@theshenpartei

Жыл бұрын

Do the pazzi first

@MrAllmightyCornholioz

Жыл бұрын

Look up the video he did on Berry Gordy. Carter and Gordy are 2nd cousins 0 removed.

I do wonder if the Castros of today relate to European royalty or Papacy, such as the Farneses.

The script and format of the storyline are a little hard to follow.

These are super cool, but with no legit DNA evidence who knows who knocked up who

And also Lorenzo de Medici died 1492

Pope fight!

I would not add a millions of people living in America as a note to Columbus’s discovery. He brought knowledge of the existence of the Americas to Europe. Much cleaner and still 100% accurate.

The craziest thing about these videos is that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Yet every video dismissed this. If you included power in these videos you might be the number one channel on KZread. People love power and this channel ignores the motivation of power.

*margaret thatcher *mostly* peacefully protested.

Funny, MechWarrior pegged the sandoval line as the ones to make it past the modern era instead of the borgias. Still hated whether 500 or 1,500 have passed. Thats gotta sting.

Pope Wars lmao

I have no context for any of this and I don't know who these people are. Not a very well presented video I'm afraid.

It would be easier to simply say "columbus arrived to the americas" 😂

@derrickstorm6976

Жыл бұрын

But then how can you criticise him? 🤔 that's the only reason why it's always mentioned in the first place

@milobem4458

Жыл бұрын

@@derrickstorm6976 the funniest part is that Columbus never claimed to have discovered a new continent. He was convinced he just found a shorter route to Asia.

Fun fact about Rodrigo Borja Cevallos, he actually played tennis with George H. W. Bush

Your description of the Americas was wrong and stereotypical, from the very beginning to the end!! 😤😤😤

Can we get a flag family tree please