Hope you guys enjoy this one ;) Sorry if its a little on the lengthier side. I originally had the idea for it all the way back in 2017, but put it on the backburner to work on other projects for a while. I'm just happy it's finally out! I promise I'll post my next video in a shorter amount of time. It's going to document my adventures meeting an alligatorman...

@alexzidaru2241

2 жыл бұрын

Let's go

@nautilusnotasquid

2 жыл бұрын

An alligatorman? Sounds fascinating

@jeremysmith4620

2 жыл бұрын

Don't apologize for longer videos, I'm sure most of us WANT all the extra and/or lengthier content from you we can get. I just hate that it takes longer to make, but as long as you are happy making it we are happy watching it!

@Irobert1115HD

2 жыл бұрын

HE HAS RETURNED!

@shakabletax2103

2 жыл бұрын

Trust me not a SINGLE person is upset about longer videos frankly I was hoping it would be as long as humanly possible

I learned the fragility of writing when I wrote two books in elementary school, "Commando Cats" and "Pirate Dogs". I had them bound with staples and was planning on taking them to my school library to try and publish them. But I lost them after leaving them in the laundry room. I looked everywhere, even the trash but despite my efforts they were lost. It was devastating to me.

@multipleSpiders

2 жыл бұрын

very tragic. just imagine what society could be like today if those important manuscripts hadn’t been lost.

@DM-mi4je

2 жыл бұрын

@@multipleSpiders they would've stopped that gorilla from dying.

@JcoleMc

2 жыл бұрын

@@multipleSpiders We'd have flying cars by now

@wnrr2696

2 жыл бұрын

@@JcoleMc multiple spiders in flying cars sounds terrifying lol

@TelPhi_

2 жыл бұрын

I had a similar experience to that, sadly. When I was around 8 years old, I made action-filled Plants vs. Zombies comics, following the worlds of the game. They are lost to this day and I only remember a few details. I'm still bummed about it

The Ancient Greeks writing homoerotic fanfiction about epic heroes is simultaneously shockingly modern and completely in-character for the Ancient Greeks.

@worldcomicsreview354

Жыл бұрын

The original yaoi doujinshi

@TheGuindo

Жыл бұрын

the ancient greeks had _heated_ scholarly debates about whether Achilles or Patroclus bottomed in the relationship. i wonder which side that work came down on?

@prkp7248

Жыл бұрын

No, it would not be "completely in-character with Ancient Greece" homosexuality and homoeroticism between men was widely hated and thought as degenerate in Ancient Greece. Modern notion of some kind of wide homosexual acceptation or even tolerance in Ancient Greece is completely not true and ahistorical. Even worse, most of the examples where relations like that were tolerated were examples of exploitation of children by adults.

@whathell6t

Жыл бұрын

@@worldcomicsreview354 However, the modern update of that is Masami Kurumada’s Knight of the Zodiac-Saint Seiya which was also responsible for the creation of CLAMP Production which was originally formed by yaoi/shonen-ai fangirls who wanted a space to share their Saint Seiya and Captain Tsubasa fanfics and “Rule 34” art.

@papahairy5315

Жыл бұрын

@@TheGuindo Just because you read something on the internet, doesn't make it true. Homosexuality was mostly frowned upon in ancient Greece .

As a Sikh, the most tragic case of lost books to me is when the Sikh Reference Library, which contained tens of thousands of single-copy manuscripts, novels, newspaper archives, paintings, letters, and other historical literature, was burnt to a crisp in 1984 when Indian forces attacked the Golden Temple shrine in Amritsar.

@Pupcat

Жыл бұрын

Thats so tragic ** edit: sorry for adding the tone indicator '/gen', i'm autistic and have intense anxiety, and people have asked me whether i was being sarcastic at other points of time when I expressed sincerity, so I felt like I had to add a tone indicator just in case it could be misunderstood this time, too. But I ended up making others uncomfortable in another way instead. I'm sorry.

@thijsmallekote1977

Жыл бұрын

@@Pupcat what?

@Pupcat

Жыл бұрын

@@thijsmallekote1977 gen means 'geniune' in internet indicator speech- I was saying it was beyond sad, what happened

@JAY-zf6jw

Жыл бұрын

@@Pupcatit was fairly obvious you were being genuine, and the only thing that caused confusion was the tone indicator

@Pupcat

Жыл бұрын

@@JAY-zf6jw Ohhhhhh

Imagine being granted with an unlimited memory and the time to read 170,000,000 books, and the lost ones. God, if I could, I would.

@treyshaffer

Жыл бұрын

imagine how much sappy romantic/erotica books for middle aged women you'd have to read. seems like that's about half of all literature output by humanity in the past century. oh god and you'd have to read the twilight series

@Slam_24

Жыл бұрын

@@treyshaffer F... delete wish, delete!

@higgsbonbon

Жыл бұрын

That's a monkey's paw wish if I've ever seen one. Sturgeon's Law.

@Slam_24

Жыл бұрын

@@higgsbonbon Hahaha that's true

@robtaylor1444

Жыл бұрын

Life goals - effective immortality and a social system that enables me to do whatever I want for a few thousand years ;)

Does this count as Trey going into Lost Media

@Zyenith

2 жыл бұрын

big fan AHH!

@Detah_

Жыл бұрын

The best crossover I’ve seen

@takenname8053

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@worldcomicsreview354

Жыл бұрын

He's ancient history's Kenny Lauderdale.

@ChrissieBear

Жыл бұрын

Yes xD

The loss of all those Mesoamerican books infuriates me-think of all their discoveries and stories that were lost. They would have given us great insight into not just their cultures, but on humanity as a whole, seeing as they would have developed everything in almost complete isolation from the Eastern Hemisphere.

@canofsouls282

Жыл бұрын

European cities expanded regardless of resources available to them, sort of like a tumor, new world cities offered cities that expanded in a much more complex way in accordance to their resource and they managed it pretty well. What I’m trying to say is that we could learn alot about pre contact cities who have alot of our answers to food problems and even climate change, chinampas for example is one of the most sustainable way to farm in the world, sadly we lost a lot of Information on how their cities were built and the knowledge we do have about them is archeological or accounts of those there. We could learn a lot from them considering climate change and all that.

@BenitoChisselini

Жыл бұрын

@@canofsouls282 none of those books would have any use in todays industrialized world.

@canofsouls282

Жыл бұрын

@@BenitoChisselini except they would, were beyond industrialization and countries have already used chinampa systems

@raziphaz2219

Жыл бұрын

@@BenitoChisselini since we lost them, we have people claiming out of their asses that nothing an entire continent of people wrote was useful.

@Okiwano

Жыл бұрын

The Aztecs destroyed all the works of their predecessors to try and protect themselves while oddly just weakening themselves enough to be made vulnerable to invasion by a small force.

I remember when I was around the age of 7, my mom bought me a mini composition book and I thought it was so cool that I wrote my own graphic novel, “The Good Pirates”. I remember it follows a band of 4 pirates crashing into an island and gaining wacky powers, but thats it. One of the only reasons I remember it is because on another book I wrote in 2nd grade, “The cheeseburger fish”, which I have recovered and I still own an intact copy, offers a small written reference to The Good Pirates on the back in the form of a reading suggestion.

@Mix_009

Жыл бұрын

A young writer, you were. Im curious, did you continued writing after growing up? Or did your passion change?

@isabellind1292

Жыл бұрын

How graphic a novel can a 7 yr old write, lol!

@BlackSeranna

11 ай бұрын

That’s awesome!

@jessh4016

5 ай бұрын

@@isabellind1292 ?

@anab6398

2 ай бұрын

the original one piece

24:24 As a mathematics student, this book seems incredibly important to me. The mathematical study of probability was born out of people trying to win at gambling in the 16th century. Depending on the sophistication of Cladius' knowledge, the survival of this book could've meant much more rapid and early progress in discrete mathematics

@tomfeng5645

11 ай бұрын

It's also a great example of non-experts not recognizing the significace of a work, which has surely happened to many an important lost book.

@Gavolak

9 ай бұрын

-probably* born out of 16th century gamblers. I’ve also seen sources suggest that the original p value was developed to predict grain output in ancient Sumer.

@JubioHDX

7 ай бұрын

@@Gavolak it mightve been, but just like Cladius' works, if the people living in ancient Sumer had written down all of their findings somewhere its also been practically all lost. Which kinda just goes along with OP's point, imagine if either one of those discoveries were able to stick around instead of needing to be "re-discovered" thousands of years later, and just how much technology couldve advanced by someone hearing about them or reading the book/tablet that contained it so much earlier. Its no small secret that the fact technology advances so fast nowadays is because all the knowledge we gather nowadays is so readily accessible for anyone who wants to read it. We can access more knowledge with the phone in our pocket in a week than the most powerful emperors of the ancient world could gather in a lifetime with all their resources and connections. Things that seem common sense to us were only unknown to so many back then because even though they were just as intelligent there was just so much less access to gathered knowledge, so many things needed to be re-invented before they finally stuck in the gathered consciousness

@blue-pi2kt

2 ай бұрын

​@@Gavolakwhen he says the mathematical study of probability what he means is a study which is set out within a rigorous logical framework sometimes known as a systematic treatment of the subject.

@Gavolak

2 ай бұрын

@@blue-pi2kt there’s no reason to believe that ancient Sumerians didn’t approach their study of optimal grain output predictions with rigorous logical systems. A lot of Sumerian texts and relics have been lost to time, and whether they actually did or didn’t study statistics is entirely a guess. But if they did, they would’ve approached it with as much rigor as they did their other maths.

I remember being somewhat shocked when my English teacher in school taught us about how Beowulf, one of the most famous works of English literature and a huge inspiration to J.R.R. Tolkien and consequently almost the entire fantasy genre, almost became a lost work. At one point, there were only two copies in the world. One was destroyed in a fire. Nobody was too concerned about preserving the other one for a long time. It sat in a monastery and was used as a cutting board at one point. Imagine how different media and literature would be if the last remaining copy disappeared!

@eekee6034

Жыл бұрын

I find it strange how the fantasy genre got bottlenecked through Tolkein. It's not too strange; he was very good, but when I was a kid, I read a lot of fairy stories which were outside his influence and many of them had this really alien vibe. I suppose they should as they posited faerie as another world. :)

@aspektx

Жыл бұрын

I could have swore that last copy of Beowulf was hidden in a private collection.

@unselliecontinents3338

Жыл бұрын

@@eekee6034 I agree, as amazing as Tolkien lore is, there are tons of myths and legends outside of his works. It’s unfortunate only so many were recorded as people have been telling each other stories since we could speak, and entire millennia old mythologies have been lost in the span of mere generations or less.

@uncletiggermclaren7592

Жыл бұрын

@@eekee6034 You should read "Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell" it has some very good references to the older fairy myths. If you do, PLEASE go on to read the exceptionally cool "sequel" to it, "The ladies of Grace Adieu"

@arte0021

Жыл бұрын

@@ynraider cringe leftist garbage

I can’t even imagine how it must’ve felt to just be the only person carrying the knowledge of the solar system or evolution around with you in ancient Greece

@Urlocallordandsavior

Жыл бұрын

Would probably be a lot like being an academic in any field (virtually).

@treyshaffer

Жыл бұрын

@@Urlocallordandsavior Exactly, just as many people scoff at modern academic, back then like 99% of people would've just been like "who cares about the earth, stars, blah blah blah, I'm gonna eat a goat and get hammered on some Ionian wine tonight!"

@trollfacemafiagaming6036

Жыл бұрын

@@treyshaffer you have a really arrogant view of the past you know that that's literally what half of philosophy was about since science doesn't seperate from philosophy till the modren period and treys evolutionary view on Anaxagoras is wrong and is like a common misrepresentation by non philosophers his evolution was more like a cosmic one than biological which is because his view was a response to Empedocles view

@adrianaslund8605

Жыл бұрын

There were philosophers that had similar ideas to evolution back then. No way to really prove it though.

@RaeSan_Art

Жыл бұрын

honestly, i feel like there mightve been a lot of doubt about it. Without the works of others to validate your reasoning within, who would have been able to tell if it was complete, or missing something

I think the Dead Sea Scrolls are another interesting case of lost and found, they were missing for so long that they were regarded as mythical works that never even existed. Crazy to think that after nearly two thousand years they were rediscovered and have become invaluable pieces of Hebrew literature and history.

@lemonyz420

5 ай бұрын

Pretty crazy that they were discovered in a random cave by random shepherds

@ansarizinnoor6249

Ай бұрын

But they were written 1400 years after Moses

The fact that we grieve intensely over lost literature and knowledge is something that makes me feel connected to all of humantity. Even when I am feeling lonely, the fact that through the ages we covet art, literature, and music and feel intense loss whenever it is destroyed; makes me feel a little less lonely. Its tragic, but beautiful.

“When the prehistorical and historical world needed him most, he returned.”

@Ronaldo-eu1nz

Жыл бұрын

Yo 🔥kzread.info/dash/bejne/pJh-m8Ssfpqwcdo.html.. .

@magnumtrooper17

Жыл бұрын

true, with all the bullshit in the present, i like like to escape to the past! Glad my favorite dinosaur is back

@matheussanthiago9685

9 ай бұрын

@@magnumtrooper17 this comment just gets more and more poignant with every passing year :(

You joke about Claudius "the art of playing dice", but when you mentioned the title, I sat bolt upright. Analysing dice is one of the most natural ways to start inventing probability theory, which is absolutely huge from a technological point of view. Basic probability theory is also just a few cognitive stone throws away from accidentally stumbling into algebra, calculus and statistical mechanics. Playing around with dice, you could awfully quickly run into problems that require an understanding of standard distributions, for example.

@julianguastadisegno

Жыл бұрын

You are totally right, I haven't think of this. Even if it is "only" a books on strategies and tactics on dice and betting (Like when to fold or pull out of one for example) it could very well be probability and statistics in diapers.

@MyPalJimbo

Жыл бұрын

But that made you sit bolt upright? What are you, some sort of meganerd created in a lab by supernerds?

@singularityraptor4022

Жыл бұрын

@@MyPalJimbo People with functioning brain cells and curiousity experience that. Something you can never experience

@MyPalJimbo

Жыл бұрын

@@singularityraptor4022 then why are you bullying me for being mentally incapable?

@joluoto

Жыл бұрын

So what you are saying is Claudius played D&D.

40:09 "It would be arrogant of us to believe our systems are completely flawless." Dude, I am constantly afraid that my external harddrive suddenly stops working. It's where I keep everything digital I've ever read and going to read. Fear of technical issues is the reason why I keep some of my ebooks in 3 or 4 different places at all times. Animorphs and Goosebumps will not become Lost Works as long as I'm around.

@matheussanthiago9685

9 ай бұрын

and we salute you for your service

@toyotatacoma1616

5 ай бұрын

I too have every animorphs book on pdf stored on multiple thumb drives. There might be tens of us!

@Angel-Otk

3 ай бұрын

Me with my drawing iPad😭💀

I have worked at a library for four years now and have gotten an appreciation of how impressive the systems that we have put in place to acquire books. We are able to share books with over 300 different libraries that get sent to us in a matter of days. Even still, there are constantly books that we are finding are not in our collection and try to hunt down.

Pytheas: "I sailed north of Britain and found a place that was freezing cold where strange lights danced across the sky and it was as bright as noon all day!" His friends: "Dude, come on, stop making up ridiculous nonsense. I'm trying to read this historically accurate explanation about how Milo of Croton was turned into a werewolf as a sacrifice to Zeus Lycaeus."

@SeanMahoneyfitnessandart

9 ай бұрын

Accurate. Insightful. And funny. 🫡

@Sword2024

4 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

"On Nature" being lost almost made me drop out of a class. I had a class that basically mapped the history of scientific progress through astronomy; the major project, and grade, was doing the same for another topic. At the beginning of the semester, I picked something fun - study of mushrooms/mycelium. It was going well, with the science as we know it today really forming in the 1800s with gentleman scientists. But going back, every damn reference in ancient times went to "On Nature" and I literally begged another teacher, an ancient Greek reader (biblical scholar) to help me find it, only to find out it was lost about a day before the paper was due. One of the coolest classes I've ever taken, but damn, was that final paper killer.

@posteniuzgajivacovaca8048

Жыл бұрын

How convenient that it just disappeared. Myceliums are the past the present and the future of this planet and have the answer on almost if not every disease, but somebody doesn't want us to know too much.

@Nono-hk3is

Жыл бұрын

You must be a Highlander if "On Nature" was lost the day before your paper was due.

@uncletiggermclaren7592

Жыл бұрын

@@Nono-hk3is I see what thy doest there. His major was biology, and he was failing English.

@trustytrest

Жыл бұрын

@@uncletiggermclaren7592 Sounds like you failed English several times, bucko.

@Enshadowed

Жыл бұрын

I don't understand how the text was lost a day before your paper was due

Have you heard about the Vesuvius Challenge? They're trying to use machine learning to read text from 3D X-rays of burned scrolls from Herculaneum - it should more than double the total collection of Roman literature we have

@quitpayload

10 ай бұрын

Imagine if they werer all just copies of the Illiad😆

@82jp

8 ай бұрын

​@@quitpayloadomg 😂

@82jp

8 ай бұрын

I'm super excited about the results of deciphering those scrolls. They recently awarded a sizable prize to the person who decoded the first word: "purple."

@merrittanimation7721

5 ай бұрын

And now they've gotten a method to reliably decode the texts! We have entire sentences now!

@guerreiro943

2 ай бұрын

And now we discovered Plato's burial site! And a story about how he in his death bed had a slave girl play music for him, only for him to tell her the rhythm was all wrong lol

As a direct descendant of nahuatl speakers (same language as Aztecs), it makes me so sad to think of all the irreplaceable knowledge that was lost in Mesoamérica when the Spanish came to colonize. I carry the genes and have lost most of the culture of my ancestors. It’s an anthropological nightmare.

@edwhite7078

10 ай бұрын

Have you considered writing things down

@edwhite7078

10 ай бұрын

Seems you're focused on written history. That's kind of a European thing. Don't pretend that Christians wiped all your stuff out but couldn't wipe their own stuff out. There is plenty of surviving heretical texts from Europe where's yours. Maybe writing wasn't you thing. Then take care of the oral history... did you

@Doomer_Optimist

10 ай бұрын

​@@edwhite7078 Mayans had writing.

@edwhite7078

10 ай бұрын

@@Doomer_Optimistwhere are the books

@Doomer_Optimist

10 ай бұрын

@@edwhite7078 most were destroyed by clergy, which is explicitly discussed in the video. the few remaining ones are in museums.

I wanted to make a comment laughing about how much of early writings were fanfiction, but the story of Couoh's library has me in tears. Someone who worked so hard to preserve his culture having it all taken away from him, as well as the memories of his people, really hurts to think about.

@thetoaster6938

Жыл бұрын

the longest piece of fiction is a sonic fanfic if i am correct 😭

@therealCamoron

Жыл бұрын

Like that Twilight Zone episode where the guy preserves his library through the apocalypse but then breaks his glasses

@simonhandy962

Жыл бұрын

@@therealCamoron I guess he had enough cans of baked beans for the next 50 years? There's always a downside to surviving the apocalypse....

@molochsorcery4357

Жыл бұрын

@@therealCamoron That was the late, great Burgess Meredith who played The Penguin on the 60's Batman TV series.

@molochsorcery4357

Жыл бұрын

Imagine the loss of MOntezuma's library? Or the Aztec's library those idiotic monks & Conquistadors destroyed. What a shame on Spain and the christian religion.

I think I have a new favorite instance of "finding the context of the wacky historical bits Trey posted on Twitter for actual research purposes."

@jonasholzer4422

2 жыл бұрын

Yeeess. When I still had Twitter, one of my favorite things about it was reading Treys posts and wondering how all of this would come together into a new video

@DragoniteSpam

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonasholzer4422 One might even to as go as to say, taking Trey's context-free meme tweets and trying to figure out how they might assemble into a video is like taking the vague references from ancient authors and trying to figure out how they might assemble into a lost book.

@Ronaldo-eu1nz

Жыл бұрын

Yo 🔥kzread.info/dash/bejne/pJh-m8Ssfpqwcdo.html.. .

@liyre4189

Жыл бұрын

When it got up to the ancient Aztec erotica part it felt like the pointing Spider-man meme

As someone who does collaborative story-writing. I find this topic interesting because there's so many stories which are almost like book that I've participated in writing and fleshing out while knowing they'll probably never be shared beyond two or three people total.

A fictional novel you might enjoy if you found this topic interesting is 'Cloud Cuckoo Land' by Anthony Doerr. It spans centuries and jumps between the perspectives of multiple people, from a girl and a boy living in 15th century Constantinople to a girl on an interstellar spaceship in the near future, all centered around a lost ancient Greek comedy. It's a beautiful book and quite funny too, and the themes of lost ancient texts and the power of stories to link us humans works its way throughout the entire novel. There's also a bit of gay romance and sci-fi horror sprinkled in just for fun. One big reason why a lot of these were lost (particularly the scientific works) especially situations like the Archimedes Palimpsest: is because during Antiquity and the early Medieval (ESPECIALLY early Medieval) times, there was a general approach to scientific works that went like: "oh, these formulas? Yeah, we know that, so we don't need the book anymore. Like, everyone knows how it works" (it's literally 10 people in the entire country, and 3 of them are about to die of some ludicrous disease that will literally never appear again once it spawns in a village in 2 weeks). This is what led to sudden technical inferiority in the medieval times: a lot of works of advanced concepts were preserved, but the Romans themselves didn't bother writing down the basics. So you had a situation akin to having an entire book on something like trigonometry, but not a word of what is necessary to actually know the basics to even do anything regarding trigonometry. The monks would say "welp, it can't be helped" and just overwrite it.

@lulumoon6942

4 ай бұрын

Super suggestion, thank you.

One of the most interesting lost books is "On the Ocean" by Pytheas of Massalia he was a Greek explorer from the 4th century BC who explored Britain and possibly went as far north as Iceland and the frozen arctic ocean. Only fragments of his work survived, being quoted in works of other classical writers from which we can partly reconstruct his journey. It was centuries before any other first-hand accounts of the British Isles and Northern Europe were written. Just imagine how much more we would know of the iron age people of these regions had it survived.

@KobeanHistory

2 жыл бұрын

Just got to the part where you talk about him, glad Pytheas made it in the video :)

@paulrobinson6935

2 жыл бұрын

Blasphemous but yes

@REALsnstruthers

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulrobinson6935 wtf do you mean by “blasphemous”

@jvitiumig3259

Жыл бұрын

Yes blasphemous but in accords

@petrus9067

Жыл бұрын

Is that about the hyperboreans

Here's one interesting book that is probably lost forever: The "Indiculus superstitionum et paganiarum", a guidebook for christian missionaries written in the 9th century. As the name suggests, it contains explanations about the rituals of the pagan Saxons. The book had thirty chapters dealing with all aspects of the pagan Saxon religion and would probably have solved every question about continental germanic mythology maybe ever.

@viktorberzinsky4781

Жыл бұрын

I hope that a few copies exist somewhere for it could shed light on all the European pagan religions by giving us something to further compare with others.

@canko15

Жыл бұрын

@@viktorberzinsky4781 they tend to find manuscripts once in a while hidden in monasteries, let's not lose hope

@sahar3820

Жыл бұрын

How did it become a "Lost Book"? Destroyed?

@sallylauper8222

Жыл бұрын

@@viktorberzinsky4781 Who knows what the Vatican has got in their basement...

@abcdefghij8128

Жыл бұрын

@@sahar3820 It's a 1200-years-old manuscript (the cover still exists), it just needed a brief period of neglect to perish.

Coming back to re watch some of your videos and the new videos you have made. I'm so happy to see the quality of them has not only been mantained, but also Improved. Very interesting and sometimes touching subjects, as always. I love this channel.

I've grown up reading books. The fact that there are some books that can never be read is mind-boggling to me. Maybe they contain graphic content or there could be secrets in there that are never meant to be passed on to the next generation.

@futuramayeah

8 ай бұрын

i read a fiction book in elemantary school, Lizard Music , ? , i think that is the name, some kid fell asleep in front of his tv and woke up in the middle of the night and saw lizard (men?) playing musical instruments , i forget what happened in the rest of the book, but i remember that part, but i didn't know about the reptillians conspiracy theory until recently, where the theory is that there are lizard people secretly living in our planet and maybe in human society. i think in that book, the author was either trying to alert me and others about that, or they were just saying that the kid somehow picked up transmission from another dimension on his television late at night.

It's quite sad thinking about how much literature has been lost over the centuries. Think about how many cultures had their entire written language wiped from existence as time forgot their existence

@johntaranto29

Жыл бұрын

All will be one day most likely, its just a matter of time.

@Kable_TV

Жыл бұрын

Language written in code so that Latin could not ruin its message the language never decoded There was purposes to this

@RandyOrlok

Жыл бұрын

who cares

@ReddoFreddo

Жыл бұрын

@@RandyOrlok You care enough to write a mocking reply, which indicates care in an opposite direction. Perhaps you believe certain languages should go extinct.

@viktorberzinsky4781

Жыл бұрын

Oh you want to know something that will really drive you wild? The species homo sapiens, modern humans has been around for about 200,000 years. Only about 5,400 years of that history has any notable measure of written records. That's well over 200,000 years of human history without any written records, probably lost save for maybe a few stray fragments that miraculously survived through oral tradition, entire cultures rising and then fading from memory without any reliable or extant records that they ever lived. Millions if not billions of lives forgotten by their descendants. The very origins of countless nations and cultures that live today known only as pieces of myth. That's the story of inventions, wars, the reigns of chieftains and monarchs, the lives of common people, religious lore, customs, laws, games they played, poems, songs, instrumental compositions, and all manner of things, legions of them, lost to us. We are ignorant of the vast majority of our own history. That thought fills me with sorrow and wonder at the mysteries those lost millennia may hold and reminds me of how little we truly know about ourselves and the origins of societies that still exist today.

Talking about archaeology, at Pompeii, strange lumps of charcoal were found, particularly in a certain villa just outside the city. When first discovered, they were not seen as interesting, and in some cases were used as a source of fuel. However, an astute excavator noticed that the charcoal was arranged in layers and after pealing one back, noticed discolouration on the inner surface. The realisation hit the whole archaeological expedition- these lumps were rolled scrolls! Since then, the lost scrolls were meticulously log and stored until recently when digital imaging technology and laser analysis finally revealed their contents. We can now read these scrolls, once they are carefully unrolled and scanned. Who knows what lost works waiting to be rediscovered lie amongst the hundreds of thousands of these once thought useless lumps of charcoal.

@MrBrendanRizzo

Жыл бұрын

Imagine how irritating it would be if they turned out to just be copies of the Iliad.

@KRDecade2009

Жыл бұрын

@@MrBrendanRizzo well to be fair it was broken up into separate books so it’s more than likely to be true

@NealBones

Жыл бұрын

@@MrBrendanRizzo 😂😂

@saberx08

Жыл бұрын

@@MrBrendanRizzo That comment made me literally laugh out loud! Yeah... that would suck though.

@jamieevans3666

Жыл бұрын

neat, some hebrew scrolls were uncovered the same way

There was a whole forum full of zombie stories written by the forum members, some of them quite good and as long as full novels, that I posted on back in the late 90's. That forum was just gone one day, along with all the stories. I've never seen them reposted anywhere. One of the best of the stories was startlingly similar to the plot of the Telltale Games' first "The Walking Dead" game, but obviously predated it (and The Walking Dead, for that matter) by well over a decade.

@jorgeskuf

11 ай бұрын

you should bring this up to a lost media KZreadr

@aiaioioi

11 ай бұрын

does the wayback machine or the internet archive help? (if you remember the URLs or have them saved anywhere of course)

@berserkasaurusrex4233

11 ай бұрын

@@aiaioioi This was a quarter century ago, I don't even remember the name of the forum and typically forum posts aren't archived by wayback machine anyway since the spider can't see the posts. You'd have had to be logged in to see anything. I don't know if I even still have the computer that would have the links, or if I threw it away a decade ago.

@zigzagintrusion

8 күн бұрын

That’s so sad! If you ever remember the forum name, there are tons of people who’d love to help you find some of the stories.

1:40 AY MAN I NEED THAT BOOK *slams wallet on table, causing an audible “money” sound as quarters and dimes fly everywhere*

@raikie

4 ай бұрын

🤝 I feel the same way

Why I am the most saddest at the lost for Emperor's Claudius "Estrucan Research"? Maybe it is probably the fact that he probably put a lot of time and effort on making this book and now everything is gone 😭

@LadyRavenhaire

Жыл бұрын

I also feel the same way.

@TheBBqMan140

Жыл бұрын

Such was life for uncle Claudius

@gabrielelorusso3335

Жыл бұрын

Also because Etruscan culture is very mysterious to us, and so that text would have answered many of our questions

@janebug2922

Жыл бұрын

yas stan loona

@randomshyte9989

Жыл бұрын

He probably knew things we don't know to this day, maybe he'd even figured out the entire history of rome up to that point and now it is lost.

Imagine writing your account of a crazy unique voyage you did to the end of a known world, for just a fragment of it surviving as a wrapping of a mummy

@liyre4189

Жыл бұрын

I bet at least one guy on that voyage was thinking "I want my mummyyy"

@Numbabu

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely metal. This makes a fantastic prompt for a fictional story.

@heidibarker9550

Жыл бұрын

I would love to be wrapped in papyrus, it wouldn't be boring.

This is one of the most amazing KZread videos I've ever seen. Fascinating, original, and well-made. Thank you.

I have never seen your channel, but I definitely enjoyed this video. Props to you and your team. You guys did a good job.

One lost book I'd want to read is the Book of Pictures, a holy text of a now-extinct religion called Manichaeism, the faith you may know as the former religion of Saint Augustine of Hippo. It was written by Mar Mani, who founded the religion, himself. The book was an illustrated guide to the cosmology of Manichaeism, made for ordinary, illiterate people to understand. Mani's art was meant to be very good, greatly influencing the development of Persian miniature art. Alas, due to Manichaeism's persecution in all countries it came to, the book doesn't survive.

@ninjaeagleart

Жыл бұрын

Woah, I’ve never even heard of Manichaeism. Sounds interesting.

@noodlesnook

Жыл бұрын

@@ninjaeagleart same here! kills me that this book is practically nonexistent now.

@bardmadsen6956

Жыл бұрын

I had a book basically like that, gave it to a used book store, it was the Bible in illustration for the illiterate. It wasn't worth much, IIRC early 20th Century.

@g.3581

Жыл бұрын

@@ninjaeagleart It’s actually an incredibly interesting religion that mixes ideas from Christianity, Zoroastrianism and Buddhism. The last practitioners were in Southern China and there’s still a temple today in Fujian where a statue of the Iranian prophet Mani is venerated as the Buddha of Infinite Light.

@petroglyph888mcgregor2

Жыл бұрын

I have my doubts that Bishop Augustine of Hippo really ever truly converted to Christianity. A lot of the biblical interpretations that he popularized sounded more like Manichaeist theology rather than first-century Christian theology.

It's pretty sad that there have been absolutely crazy events throughout history that we'll never know about

@SergioLeonardoCornejo

Жыл бұрын

Sadder even that a few might have been obscured, erased, or forgotten on purpose. Even things that are hidden in plain sight are often ignored. Did you know Rousseau shaped modern education drspite having no interaction with children and being a horrible father? His influence, harmful as it is, was rejected by his contemporaries who did know of his vices.

@bardmadsen6956

Жыл бұрын

@@SergioLeonardoCornejo Oh, you should see the push back from paradigm shifts, I get Astrophysicists and Archeologists that are downright lying to obscure the truth, muddy the water... I also get, denial and incredulousness, including ridicule and laughter.

@geligniteandlilies

Жыл бұрын

@@bardmadsen6956 What are they lying about? Like conspiratorially?

@bardmadsen6956

Жыл бұрын

@@geligniteandlilies Sure seems like it, yet at the same time ignorant of the facts. I've been working on it since the night of Halloween 1968 and figured out something important that others have missed or denial centers the blind spot over the clues. Within comparative universal mythology there is a commonality of where the destructive force that caused The Younger Dryas Impacts Theory came from and 'educated' powers that be do their best to obfuscate the truth about The Taurid Stream that appears to emanate from the Pleiades, which is right above The Golden Gates, The First Fire From Heaven, The Throne of God, and the diametric of The Milky Way among others. This past tragedy was the impetus for the sky and cosmic battles of religion and mythology. In other words there is no supernatural on-goings between good and evil, it is about life with the Sun and death of Impact Winter.

@alexrogers777

Жыл бұрын

@@Lulu_Catnaps Ah, so a tin foil hat schizo. opinion discarded

Fabulous, it makes me weep to think of the lost writings of authors. Most especially those that were lost due to purposeful destruction. 😭

Great video. Watched it all the way through. It’s great to get understanding of a new perspective outside of the “winners” of history that destroyed all other stories. Thank you. Looking forward to more content

Man, the loss of the Aztec and Maya [EDIT: and Zapotec, Mixtec, Purépecha and many other cultures] codices bums me out every time I think about it. It's representative of how the conquest of the Americas not only resulted in an apocalypse-worth of death, but also the loss of so much knowledge and culture. So much history just lost. EDIT: "Oh but the Aztecs--" go outside, think about why you feel the need to do whataboutism on this subject of all things. Examine that impulse to try and make it seem like they deserved it or something.

@k-la-k6828

2 жыл бұрын

Mesoamerican Knowledge: *Exists* Spanish Conquerors: *SHIT'S ON FIRE YOOOO*

@LaRana2315

Жыл бұрын

And as a descendant of those civilizations it pains me to know (or rather NOT know) how much of my culture, knowledge, legends, stories, epics, comedies, hell even a few of my ancestors GODS and aspects of their religion will never see the light of day. We're left with what few remnants we were able to hide, fight for, or were just able to MIRACULOUSLY dig up after being buried for centuries. As a history lover it hurts, but as a person of indigenous mexican it BREAKS my fucking heart. EDIT: wanted to clarify that I'm a person of indigenous decent, my family doesn't know what pueblo/tribe we decended from bc history of assimilation n records/stories being lost. Apologies for any confusion was not my intention

@tily5939

Жыл бұрын

I nearly cried at that section. Couoho really did what he could.

@jorgeskuf

Жыл бұрын

it makes me so mad it makes my blood boil

@hiera1917

Жыл бұрын

No. Not lost. Actively, *intentionally* destroyed so that some bastards across the waves could have chests full of gold and silver made by men, women, and children who were infected with diseases with no cure, whose land had been taken from them. Colonialism never ended. As long as settlers live on stolen lands colonialism is alive and very well. If you’re mad about it then you better find a way to help indigenous people regain their sovereignty and to advance their own rights to freedom and happiness. Support indigenous socialism!

The irony about Couoh is that by attempting to save the works, he almost certainly caused even more of them to be lost by storing them in a central location.

@egrintarg230

Жыл бұрын

Next time do the same thing he did only have it be like a decoy depot with dummy books. And put the real books in some unmarked bunker. That way they don't destroy the real shit.

@minyoungc_

7 ай бұрын

Maybe he did and we just didn’t find it

@oz_jones

7 ай бұрын

​@@minyoungc_wouldnt that Be something?

@mamasimmerplays4702

5 ай бұрын

Yeah the way to make a library is to send your scribes to make copies of everyone's books, not just take their books.

Definitely my favorite video you have ever put out. I've watched it several times over!

This became one of my favorite videos. I’ve never felt passionate about books as a medium. I read, a lot, I just never cared about the book, just the contents. I’ve been humbled today. This was a very interesting me topic that was navigated perfectly by Trey.

Bernard Shaw in his early 20th cent play, Caesar and Cleopatra has a line that haunts me. When Caesar is storming Alexandria, the great Library catches fire and the chief librarian comes to Caesar, begging him to order his soldiers to put the fire out because "the memory of mankind is perishing." Caesar replies, "Let it perish, it was a shameful memory"

@TheFlyfly

Жыл бұрын

"haunting" is the perfect way to describe that line

Imagine Archeologists 3000 years from now writing stuff like: "During the late two thousands and early two thousand tens a work of fiction, that seems to have been adapted in multiple forms of media, caused much discussion and controversy throughout western societies, especially among the youth. Seemingly hated by some it was loved by others and even inspired further works by other authors. Sadly all that survived to us to this day is the rather cryptical title of "Twilight".

@yzettasmith4194

Жыл бұрын

LOL!

@viktorberzinsky4781

Жыл бұрын

The one text aside from the turner diaries and unceasingly dull bibliography of Ayne Rand I hope does become lost...Also 50 Shades of Grey.

@princessscotchtape8931

Жыл бұрын

Imagine if 50 Shades of Grey survived. "This weird theory says that there are 50 Shades of Grey, but they state no fact or evidence. Just text on bdsm."

@GreenMonkeyToaster

Жыл бұрын

Imagine the same archaeologists coming over mentions of My Immortal but never the fic itself. And none of the periferal mentions are ever truly informative

@noirtreize2713

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, with no context whatsoever the name "Twilight" can sound quiet poetic, LOL. The future archeologist: Hmm. that name could have multiple meaning. The time between the day and night, could it mean something in the middle? or is it the transitioning period toward another state of existence? Could this book contents be about the mortality of the living?

Love how long and informative!! Always enjoy your work!!

Having seen the title, I was completely expecting a doc about occult books that are magically impossible to read. However, turns out your video is far more restraint and interesting. Good job! Absolutely enjoyed viewing it.

The first major copyright dispute occurred in Ireland between two monks where one claimed the other copied him. It was ruled: to each cow its calf and to each book its copy.

@SlapstickGenius23

Жыл бұрын

Well, Ireland also has its own public domain catalogue. Still a good video.

I literally just read Lost Libraries edited by James Raven. The essays that talk about the moments in history where books were destroyed is astonishing.

@cjthebeesknees

2 жыл бұрын

The behavior that lead to these actions is still prevalent today, controversial or political.

@ambatuBUHSURK

2 жыл бұрын

he missed Nalanda University in the indian subcontinent, one of the most oldest university/library storing thousands of books which was completely destroyed by the delhi sultanate.

@ConWolfDoubleO7

Жыл бұрын

This sounded like a good book so I went to look around to get a copy and I could find nothing below 80$. How did you get your hands on a copy? The irony of a book on lost libraries being kinda 'lost' by the absurd price of it is fitting.

@cjthebeesknees

Жыл бұрын

@@ConWolfDoubleO7 That’s an example of insufferable irony living this cruel experience we call humanity lmao. How many upper cuts must we take?

@phantasmagore7991

Жыл бұрын

@@ConWolfDoubleO7 this is why sites like zlib are absolutely crucial these days imo

I already love this channel but that Takanaka reference at the end REALLY got my heart

Glad to see you back Trey. This was a good one.

I’m so glad you’ve posted a new video! I love falling asleep to your videos…your voice is so soothing, the content is so well researched, and you’re clearly passionate about everything that you discuss.

@TREYtheExplainer

2 жыл бұрын

Aww thank so much for saying all that :') Comments like these make my day! I'm so happy to have fans that appreciate all my hard work and also enjoy/gain value from the content I produce. It makes everything feel worth something in the end

@octopusspaghetti3955

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, I also use them to fall asleep to for this exact reason!

@LoLotov

Жыл бұрын

I've been catching up on your newer stuff, you had moved down my subscription list after a while, but I was reminded how much I like these videos when you were on with Preston last month!

@MaryAnnNytowl

Жыл бұрын

Troy's content is in my playlist of things to go to sleep to, myself. I love to go to sleep to science and history (and science history!) videos, too!

@vario6492

Жыл бұрын

Imagine your content is so good (NOT BORING) it literally puts ppl to sleep 😅

I'm gonna expand a bit on books in Mesoamerica (The Aztec, Maya, etc), since I already provided Trey some images of those and there was only so much he could include in the video: Mesoamerican books, or codices, were usually made from either bark paper, known as Amate in Nahuatl (the Aztec language; in this comment I mean Aztec = Nahuas, not just the Mexica of Tenochtitlan), which was indepedently invented in Mesoamerica separate from Asia, or hides, mostly deerskin. These could be single large parchments, or more famously, very long, horizontal sheets which were folded over itself sort of like an accordion. Writing was also inscribed onto stone monuments or tablets, or painted onto ceramics, though these were more or less common depending on the specific culture, as was the exact format and conventions of records in these documents/inscriptions, since obviously the nature of the writing system would vary per culture. Writing in Mesoamerica was viewed as an extension of painting, so Mesoamerican scripts are best understood as being sort of on spectrum of being more visual or more language based. I am NOT a linguist, not even close, so i'm gonna be brief here, but in essence the Olmec script is entirely undecipherd and probably always will be, so nobody knows. The Epi-Olmec, Zapotec, and Maya scripts are more language based: Zapotec, partially deciphered has logograms (characters which denote whole words they depict, like hieroglyphs) and phonetic elements, but also some pictographic ones and lacks articles/prepositions. The Maya script, fully deciphered, has logograms, but also a full set of characters representing each syllable in the spoken language to write out spoken words in true sentences, and Epi-Olmec was probably something similar. The less language based, and more pictorial based scripts are Teotihuacano, Mixtec, and Aztec. There's actually debate over how Teotihuacan's writing worked, with some thinking it was pictographic, others logograms, or some combinations; but was probably less language based then the prior 3. The Aztec and Mixtec scripts are primarily pictographic, (So less "writing", and more pictures with a standardized format to be drawn/read) However, the Aztec script also had some phonetic elements, rebuses, and puns tying into the spoken language (A lot of city-state glyphs have teeth in them, because the word for tooth sounds like the word for a place/location!), and technically COULD be used like a full written language representing every spoken sound in Nahuatl, though it was never actually used for that. Anyways, back to the books: Mesoamerican codices (and inscriptions) generally dealt with 3 rough categories of subject matters: Dynastic/political; tax/resource documentation; and cosmological,/calendarical,astrological records, though often these would overlap and/or the same document could have different sections devoted to each: 1. Dynastic documentation recorded political histories, the movement of people, conquests, political marriages and lineages, etc. Mixtec codices like the Zouche-Nuttall record the conflicts and machinations of different Mixtec and Zapotec royal families and their kingdoms, especially focusing on with 8-Deer-Jaguar-Claw, who acted as a general for other cities, used shrewd alliances with the influential city of Cholula to sidestep the oracles which organized Mixtec affairs, and conquered nearly 100 cities in 18 years, only for it to be undone by 4-wind, the one boy he left alive from his rival dynasty's family. (Fun fact, the city-state he founded, Tututepec, was one of only a few states within the Aztec empire's reach not conquered by them). The Maya placed similar records of their kings and great deeds and conflicts onto many public monuments in stone inscriptions. Aztec codices like the Boturini record the movement of Nahua people and the founding of their city states and similar political conflicts, etc. 2. Astrological and calendrical records are pretty much what they sound like: These were divinatory documents which depicted various dates, calender's, religious festivals and their associated deities, creation myths, and the like. These would have been consulted by seers and priests for rulers, or by families after a birth of a child to ascertain their fortunes. The Aztec Magliabechiano, Borgia, and the Maya Paris and Dresden codices are some of the most famous of these, but frankly most codices contain at least SOME astrological/religious and political records. 3. Tax/resource documentation: Perhaps the most interesting. For example, the middle portion of the Mendoza codex shows a list of Aztec tributary provinces, their towns, and the various economic goods they owed Tenochtitlan: Military equipment like warsuits, shields, and helmets; luxury goods like fine feathers, gold, jade, turquoise, incense, jewelry, ceremonial masks and fine cloaks and ceramics; utilitarian goods like textile, obsidian, stone, wood, ceramics, cacao, maize, beans, chia, amaranth, salt etc. What is REALLY fascinating is the Oztoticpac Lands Map, the Códice de Santa María Asunción, the Codex Vergara etc, which are documents that aren't just lists of taxes and resources, but are maps and diagrams which show land plots, agricultural yields, and other information that are basically geographic land surveys and censuses. However, as I noted, Mesoamericans viewed writing as an extension of painting, and primarily pictographic scripts couldn't really convey much qualitative detail. Even Maya inscriptions and codices really tend to give information in a fairly dry, "On X date, Y happened" sort of format. We do not have things like narrative annals, philosophical records, compilations of poetry, or fictional works, if you're looking at Prehispanic codices, even though we know 100% know poetry, philsophy, etc existed (which i'll get back to shortly). There is likely less then 20 surviving, totally prehispanic documents, sadly. Trey mentioned that Tenochtitlan had a large royal library, but so did Texcoco, and most medium to large Mesoamerican cities likely would have had *some* collection of codices and documentation. At least hundreds, likely thousands, if not tens to hundreds of thousands of texts were burned. However, there are also POSThispanic codices! While so much was intentionally destroyed, some things were also written down or re-recorded, either by Native nobles and scribes attempting to preserve their history or to justify their status in the Spanish colonial administration. Catholic friars wrote many too, using native informants or working directly with native scribes and nobles collaboratively, to document existing histories, political and economic systems, and cultural practices, that way Spain could better govern and convert the existing population. Some of these adhere to more Prehispanic conventions, and are basically Pre-contact codices merely made after contact and with Spanish annotations (Like the Mendoza), while others are mostly European style books merely recording information on Mesoamerican society, history, and culture (The Duran, the Florentine), or are something in between. These documents DID record more qualitative information, since they were fully written out in Spanish or Nahuatl, and do include things like full narrative histories, poems, ethics and philosophy, and so on (Tax/land survey records exclusively show up in Post-contact codices, but we know from Conquistador accounts that they existed to some extent pre-contact too). Sadly, however, almost all of these are on the Aztec, since Spain's colonial infrastructure was basically inheriting the Aztec Empire's. There's some on Mayas, Zapotecs, Mixtecs, the Purepecha (the third largest empire in the Americas after the Inca and Aztec, just to the Aztec's west) and so on, but much, much less. Almost nothing on the Totonacs, Huastecs, Mixe, Chatinos, Tlapanecs, Otomis, and so many others, despite likewise being urban civilizations. An interesting additional category is botanical and herbal records. The Aztec were INSANELY skilled at sanitation, hygiene, dentistry, surgeries, herbal treatments, agriculture, horticulture, and botany. The sanitation and purely medical stuff Trey will likely cover in a future video, but as it applies here, royal Aztec gardens could cover many square kilometers and have intricate series of aqueducts, pools, and artificial waterfalls, with them having different sections to mimicked different biomes, to experiment with their growing conditions, and to test and stock them for medical properties. There was even a formal taxonomic system for them! There are botanical and herbal records in a few codices, such as parts of the Florentine Codex (a massive, multi-thousand page compendium on so many aspects of Aztec history and society), the entirety of the Badianus manuscript is a corpus of plants and herbal treatments, and there are a few surviving sections of documentation by Francisico Hernandez de Toledo, the personal royal court physician and naturalist to Philip II, who traveled to Mexico and recorded information about (and begrudgingly admitted it was superior to Europe's) Aztec sciences in those subjects, though the full reports of his are lost. It is hard to say for sure if these sorts of records would have been in codices in the prehispanic period, but I think it is quite likely. On a last note, the % of literacy in Mesoamerica is somewhat debates for some cultures, some believe the Maya had somewhat more widespread literacy then what Trey implies, for example, but I don't know the full details of the debate here. actually CONTINUED IN A REPLY BELOW!

@MajoraZ

2 жыл бұрын

Reserving a reply to add onto later!

@symmetrymilton4542

2 жыл бұрын

Godamn....that's dedication

@Sevensthecat

2 жыл бұрын

Amazing read, thank you.

@rianantony

2 жыл бұрын

It seems there's an example of the acordeon looking parchment based writings at 35:15 in this video

@Radiant-Edge

2 жыл бұрын

Just a small correction to this otherwise splendid comment. Amate is a Spanish word, in Nahuatl it's Amatl and luckily for us the method by which it is made has been preserved to the present (despite the Spanish outlawing the practice). You can watch videos of people making it here on KZread which is pretty neat. I'm not holding my breath but maybe one day we'll find a nice cache of indigenous codices someone hid away from the inquisition in Mexico. Sahagún accounts that during his creation of post conquest codices that many had survived and were able to be referenced.

I stumbled upon your channel for the first time today. I love it, keep the good work. 👍

Interesting point about the Archimedes Palimpsest- if the monks hadn’t erased and written over it, it would have been permanently lost. The monks are singlehandedly the reason it is found media.

Since you didn't mention it, a lot of books in Abbasid house of wisdom actually were lost with Mongol sack of Baghdad, famous among them is history of Arabia by a historian named Ibn Sinan (he only wrote that one book), another book is about the Qarmatid rebellion from Qarmatid perspective, called (the chronicles of Qarmatids) by a historian named abu Jafar al-qarmati There were collections of scientific books as well, one that stands out is al-farahidi's "the eye" which supposedly had studied sabaean language which we know little about now

@lainiwakura1776

Жыл бұрын

"Damn Mongorians!" City Wok guy from South Park.

@nunyabiznes33

Жыл бұрын

The rivers ran black with the ink of books, I heard.

@glorioustea7433

Жыл бұрын

@@nunyabiznes33 True, as it said for 3 days the river nonstop was painted with black and red from all of the blood and ink that was spelled

@sahar3820

Жыл бұрын

This sack and the sack of the Library of Alexandria always make me depressed. So much ancient knowledge lost.

@trollfacemafiagaming6036

Жыл бұрын

Also when mentioning literary rates he sidelined /mena/ when Abbasid ones wouldn't have been far from roman rates considering the translation movement and Chinese paper making techniques being adopted which would've made manuscripts atleast relatively cheaper and easier to produce than in rome

As a Dutch person I'm far too familiar with the concept. One of the most famous medieval Dutch books is the tale of Reynard the Fox. We know who wrote it; Willem die Madoc maakte (Willem who made Madoc). That's it! We do not know anything else about this Willem. No-thing! The only thing we know is that he made "Madoc". We think it is another medieval epic/poem that is lost to time. What Madoc is, is one of the biggest mysteries of Dutch literature history. Neerlandici (experts on Dutch language and culture) and Dutch medievalists have been plagued by the question for years.......

@doorstopper674

Жыл бұрын

Things we know about william: 1.) His name is william 2.) He made madoc

@runenorderhaug7646

Жыл бұрын

Just some interesting discussions on who people think it could be en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madoc

@sascha1493

Жыл бұрын

ik wilde hier net een comment over achterlaten, ik dacht namelijk ook meteen aan madoc!

Great subject & video! It is sad to think what all has been lost due to conquest & religion. But as you said, knowledge can be fragile. Glad I found your channel, just subscribed! 😌 Also thoroughly enjoying the thought provoking comments!

We need more videos like this, great research and good job. 👍🏼

Lost Astronomical Work by Aristarchus of Samos: 17:20 "On Nature" by Anaximander: 19:16 Ptolemy's History of Alexander by Ptolemy I Soter: 22:28 "The Tyrrhenica," and "The Etruscan Dictionary," "The Art of Playing Dice," all by Emperor Claudius: 23:35 "Indica" by Nearchus: 24:38 "Pytheas' Great Voyage" by Pytheas of Massalia: 25:29 "Babyloniaca" by Berossus: 27:22 "The Myrmidons" by Aeschylus: 28:00 "The Telegony" by Unknown Author: 28:20 "The History of Cardenio" by William Shakespeare and John Fletcher: 29:30 "The Book of Bai Ze" by The Yellow Emperor: 30:16 Elephantis' Sex Manual by Elephantis: 31:05

@jaojao1768

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@Alleriian

2 ай бұрын

I want ALL of these found one day

As someone who studies ancient history at university I love this video. It really hits the nail on the head when it comes to the difficulties of studying many periodes in history. We often have only 1 or 2 sources for a certain period, and even then they aren't reliable. What I especially liked is how you included a quote from 2 of my professors at around 5.12, Willy Clarysse and Katelijn Vandorpe. They're both great people and I've especially enjoyed prof. Vandorpe's classes about papyrology and Roman epigraphy.

@ElizabethJones-pv3sj

Жыл бұрын

And yet, there was a period when historians argued that we didn't need to do archaeological research on the 'Classical' world (i.e. ancient Greece and Rome) because we had written sources that told us all we needed to know.

@jamesflowers1295

Жыл бұрын

My favorite thing is when a 'source' is a journal entry about a dream his cousin had

I have not watched your videos before, I enjoyed this very much. Keep up the good work.

Very good, and very sad. If I had to choose one work to miraculously rediscover (among so many lost wonders, most of which we don't know about) would be Claudius' works on the Etruscans. The great thing about a physical book is there is no barrier to deciphering it. Convenient though it is our digital world could be wholly lost in a moment.

There's no such thing as a bad Trey the Explainer video, but this is an especially great one. 💕

The idea of a world with no printing press, no digitization, and no copyright is absolutely mind blowing to me. Books would literally be worth their weight in precious materials.

@skyjuiceification

Жыл бұрын

They actually are now, most just don't know it yet.

@MuchWhittering

Жыл бұрын

​@@skyjuiceificationBooks as a concept are valuable. Individual books are not. They're disposable.

@gs27777

Жыл бұрын

imagine if through some cataclysm the contents of the internet are lost and man is unable to re-industrialize

@midshipman8654

Жыл бұрын

@@gs27777be pretty hard given how many backups there are. hell, I have all of wikipedia on a flashdrive.

@MuchWhittering

10 ай бұрын

@accelerationquanta5816 Why? Copyright is why you can write something, and not have Disney make billions by ripping you off. Copyright protects little people a lot more than it protects companies.

Accidentally clicked this video and it did not disappoint. I remained intrigued the entire time. You've gained a new follower

I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. Keep up the good work 📙 📖 👀

even today, countless works fall in to obscurity, especially books that were never a huge success to begin with. think of all the rejects from publishers, books on niche subjects, or books from authors that no one remembers anymore. Any old book in your late grandfathers basement could be a rare or unique one, and the world may never know. I'd argue that many lost books aren't lost because we don't have them, but lost because no one reads them.

I used to fantasize about becoming a teacher when I was young, eventually giving up that dream late into highschool when it dawned on me just how much thankless work goes into the job. Your videos always rekindle that old fantasy as I like to imagine showing them to a highschool class. You always do an such a great job presenting topics that normally would be considered dull by students in such a fascinating and engaging way without sacrificing accuracy for entertainment. In particular this video and the Onfim one I feel like would do an amazing job piqueing an interest in history in a room full of teens

I just subscribed yet been doing this thing for a month I gotta tv in the kitchen and I'll play one your videos while washing up you'll say some interesting shit and I'll be there with a plate in my wet hands and be like damn this dudes one of a kind You're a one of a kind dude bro keep it up

An interesting thought on this. The ancient Greeks were known to memorize entire books from start to finish via once commonly used memory techniques that are now obscure. So it's not beyond the realm of possibility that a book would become "lost" and then someone who had it memorized would write it down again.

@Luca-si5fy

Жыл бұрын

Memory was a quite big deal in oral cultures. A quite famous example would be the Indians and the Vedas, which have been preserved for a significant part of their history almost exclusively through memorization, for which various techniques still used today by Vedic scholars were invented. Buddhism was originally an oral tradition as well, and information was passed down through techniques common at the time such as group chanting. And those are just some examples from a specific area. Human memory is truly something amazing that has been unfortunately left aside for the most part in today's world, thanks to more reliable means to externally store information.

@johnnyrings1813

Жыл бұрын

I don't believe that for a minute. I dont know what size "books" You're talkin, but if You're referring to something 100-400 pages being casually fully memorized start to finish permanently, no way no how. That's a superpower lol.

@Luca-si5fy

Жыл бұрын

@@johnnyrings1813 Apart from the two examples I made (Hindu and Buddhist traditions) there are also the ones who memorize the Qur'an: The hafiz and the hafizas. While it may seem to be difficult to envision people memorizing hundreds of pages to the letter for we modern people who rely so much on writing, we are talking about memorization processes that often took years and were very, very rigorous. When you constantly repeat something enough over time it just gets struck into the long term memory. And mind you, a lot of those texts that were memorized were considered important and such memorization was associated with professions such as priests, bards and poets. Of course, human memory can fail, but that was something that was often dealt with: Cultures either developed crosschecking techniques such as group recitation or simply accepted change. Modifying an oral text (even voluntarily) was not necessarily seen as a bad thing, especially in artistic contexts.

@johnnyrings1813

Жыл бұрын

@@Luca-si5fy there is not a single person that can verbatim learn these books. You're feeding into tall tales. And if they did, it took an INSANE amount of time, and they would VERY quickly forget it less they continually read whatever book. Thats my point. You made a comment like some lost method to superhumanly memorize books is out there; it isnt.

@Luca-si5fy

Жыл бұрын

@@johnnyrings1813 There is nothing superhuman about what I said. And yes, they did often take YEARS to memorize. I'm not talking about some instantaneous and easy processes, but very methodical ones. I didn't say that human memory was infallible either: Which is why crosschecking methods such as group chanting were developed. And again, atleast depending on the nature of the text, they weren't so adverse to change either. Things being forgotten, purposefully modified and added etc was not seen as too much of a big deal in the vast majority of cases. Repetition and the use of formulas were something common in oral texts as well, which aided memorization. We are also talking about people that needed to know such texts for their profession, made a living out of them and used them pretty much daily. Two academic books that pop into my mind at the moment are "Education in Ancient India" by Hartmut Sharfe and "How to kill a dragon" by Calvert Watkins. The latter is a comparative study of Indo-European poetics, and while not focused on oral trasmission specifically its content is still related to it as it deals with things like formulas.

I can understand why The Iliad was popular. It's a damn good piece of writing and the Trojan Horse is so deeply ingrained in our shared history it transcends time and cultures.

@ryanbraud2813

Жыл бұрын

Man fuck the Iliad I wanna read the Etruscan history book

@FourOf92000

Жыл бұрын

the Trojan horse isn't in the _Iliad_

@OVOFloyd

Жыл бұрын

the Trojan horse isn’t in the Iliad lmao, it is in the Aeneid however

@kakkakapwppwow

Жыл бұрын

Shared history?

@julius_the_python

11 ай бұрын

The Iliad and the Odyssey are what took me from failing classical Greek literature in high school, to teaching myself ancient Greek and schooling my teacher. I will forever be in debt to Homer.

This is such an interesting topic. I work as a library assistant and part of my duties is book repair, so all of this is a whole mood tbh

In my entire 5th grade year, we were tasked with writing a book in individual little journals our teacher gave to us. We'd have 20 minutes at the end of each day to work on it, and by the end of the school year I had written a 100 page book that was pure tween angst. I barely remember it except for a general plot (the plot was about a mother time and father death battling to the death in a dance, and also an entire chapter that was just the words "birth and life and death" written a ton of times), and me being the scardey cat I was thought the teacher would have us read it out on the last day, so I threw the whole thing away. I then went home with both an entire year of writing wasted and a deep regret. I know if I had it now I'd probably make fun of it for being artsy and pretentious, but at least I'd have it. It's pages are rotting away somewhere in a wasteland and now I have one less old work for me to compare to my new stuff, it's really heartbreaking for me. As a writer it taught me the importance of preservation, even if the work itself is bad or poorly written.

Very recent example: Ragtime composer Scott Joplin wrote an opera called “A Guest of Honor” about the time Theodore Roosevelt invited Booker T. Washington to dinner at the White House. The box office receipts were stolen and the score had been lost to time.

@TryinaD

Жыл бұрын

Honestly it’s so sad people just know him for the standard ragtime stuff, really enjoyed Treemonisha and imagining an alternate timeline where we had more operas from Joplin

This video really struck me, the fragility of thousands of authors' hard work is heartbreaking. I can't imagine how thrilling it is every time something once considered lost is found by archeologists! I hope if there's one thing humans can do to preserve our existence in the universe, it's successfully archiving the sum of our knowledge and ideas and history for whatever might come along to read it and know we were here.

You’re my new favorite KZreadr I never knew I loved archeology so much

Hey, I've been watching your videos for quite a long time and it made me research about history even more ( I've always loved history). So i decided to tell you that you are my favourite, actually only youtuber i fully respect because of the accuracy, funny elements, JOJO and many more things i see in your videos. You are doing a great work but I never managed to find any links for music you put into your videos, it really sounds like a cool music for studying. Sorry if my english is bad, it is not my primary language. ANYWAYS cool inspiring videos (I cant wait for new one)

i like being curled up in bed by candle light watching this channel. makes me feel like i’m a medieval scholar who’s just stumbled upon a vast trove of knowledge and i’m spending my free time learning as much as i can to pass down and share with my friends. thank you trey for taking the time to research and summarize topics that i would otherwise have never seeked out

This reminds me of Ursula, the first abolicionist novel written in brazil, the first novel written by a woman, for decades it was lost and completely unknown until somebody found a copy in a second hand bookstore

@worldcomicsreview354

Жыл бұрын

A similar thing happened in Malaysia with a small 4-volume comic called Chop Suey, which documented Japanese war crimes. It came out in 1947 but was soon forgotten, until much more recently when it was rediscovered and reprinted. Actually I think all original copies of volume 4 are still lost, but somebody had a photocopy.

@warlordofbritannia

Жыл бұрын

@@worldcomicsreview354 I shouldn’t giggle at Japanese war crimes, but titling your book documenting them “Chop Suey” is one helluva euphemism 🤣

@superieur11407

Жыл бұрын

@@warlordofbritannia Can you explain the euphemism?

Love this. Just discovered this channel. Keep up the great work!

yet another banger, thank you trey

It feels almost silly to say, but it does fill me with genuine and strong feelings of sadness, imagine how much useful knowledge and advancement we missed out on. How many stories, fictional or real & personal, the culture & history of thousands of cultures and cities, something that generations of scribes poured over for hundreds of hours that might've been lost in less than a day. Losing works like these is truly a loss for all mankind.

@katyungodly

Жыл бұрын

Even more infuriating is that a lot of lost knowledge is due to stupid reasons like bigotry, xenophobia/racial supremacism, and theological supremacism. "Me no understand thing! Thing bad!"

@Dap1ssmonk

Жыл бұрын

Too be blunt, a lot of it was junk. When the library of Alexandria caught fire during Caesar’s occupation, what was lost was mostly commentaries on the odyssey and the Iliad. Much of modern writing is junk too, penny novels and whatnot. That doesn’t mean that their wasn’t nuggets of gold lost in the sea of shit, but it was mostly shit.

@triplethegrowth

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, like the internet. If the internet vanished... oh god

@freyzerb.castro9124

Жыл бұрын

@@Dap1ssmonk yeah but even with that the Couoh case is sad, he was really desperate to save anything he could

@babelKONI

Жыл бұрын

In my life I have experienced three dark nights of the soul. The first was when I saw a documentary that ended with a discussion of how the Earth could completely freeze over, destroying all traces of life. The second was when I learned of the Heat Death on Wikipedia. The third was when I learned of the destruction of pre-Columbian culture and literature, especially the cruel paucity of Mayan manuscripts surviving. If Columbus's ship had sank, I would not exist, and the world may be a less prosperous place. However, these past five hundred years would likely have witnessed the blossoming of Mesoamerican culture, perhaps even the transmission of Mayan hieroglyphs throughout Mexico via the Aztecs, perhaps contact with the distant North and South, perhaps the creation of a Bronze age equivalent that would spark the development of a third pillar of humanity. While I'm grateful to live in this society, we did bleach the world of so many possibilities of language, art, and thought.

I wonder how much was lost during The Dissolution of the Monasteries here in the UK. The paperwork and books weren't immediately valuable, so they were just tossed aside or burned. There were a few people going around rescuing what they could, like Robert Cotton. Cotton built up quite a personal library from his rescues, but even that was almost lost in a fire instead of becoming the foundation of The British Library. How much knowledge and history did the Dissolution destroy? Is it why we have the "Dark Ages", because any records there were were carelessly destroyed?

@wolfen26

Жыл бұрын

Or how much was lost in the burning of the Library of Alexandria. What a tragedy.

@RandomVidsforthought

Жыл бұрын

@@wolfen26 It's greatly exaggerated of the things lost in that library

I just love Trey's vids, he can just look into any niche science and history topic and end up making an hour vid about it. Keep em coming

An awesome and very well researched video. Loved the short detour about writing and the externalization of knowledge. Oh and in the past, books were not only expensive due to the amount of work needed to produce them. In Europe they were also expensive due to the used writing material being animal skins up until the invention of paper (or the import of that idea).

The return of the king may also be a book, but it specifically describes this video quite well

Trey has *finally* awaken from his long youtube hiatus slumber and returneth to us ! (jk jk I know he is more of a twitter dweller) Trey and CoryxKenshin are rather more infamous with their awesome content but very extended absance lol

Wow, this is a great video - thanks for producing it!

Omg, I have always mourned the loss of the Alexandrian library but now I can't stop thinking of Couoh's. What a loss!! This video definitely needed the more positive upswing of the last section. Great content!

@niyandrey

8 ай бұрын

The Alexandrian library fire is a myth, look it up.

God has gifted us with more content.

@Akrafena

2 жыл бұрын

Deus vult

@christophersnedeker2065

2 жыл бұрын

Treys good but he's not that good let's not exaggerate. But yes God made Trey.

@antonholm114

2 жыл бұрын

It's a beautiful day to stay inside 🎶

@jjeshop

2 жыл бұрын

God is imaginary, this dude made the video.

@SeanNH94

2 жыл бұрын

Praise Allah 🙌

He’s back. Missed your content man

one of my favourite individuals from history was Poggio Bracciolini- the academic researcher for Cosimo de Medici. Cosimo essentially sparked the Renaissance and Poggio was his primary tool for the rediscovery of antique writings. plus he had a storied disposition... thought he might be in your rediscovery segment, but I realize the renaissance is it's own category...

It’s easy to be complacent and think lost books are an old phenomenon but it’s sometimes surprising how easy it is now for a book to become scarce. If whomever has the publishing rights doesn’t see it as valuable, it can go out of print and become difficult to find. And digital books aren’t the perfect archival method we hope it will be. Digital media is often so format dependent, all it takes is for a format change and then if a work doesn’t get switched over, it could get lost. Not to mention should we experience any kind of societal collapse and the internet be inaccessible or unusable, all those digital books can disappear in an instant.

@somethingwithbungalows

Жыл бұрын

Tbh I feel it’s very much in the possibility that we’ll all experience a huge internet crash in the coming years.. perhaps not now or the near future.. but someday..

@monsterhunter445

Жыл бұрын

Yep video games anything really

@birgbirg111

Жыл бұрын

@@somethingwithbungalows Honestly same, I was born at the start of the century and grew up with it, but I can't really rely on/get used to internet. The whole thing just looks so fragile and hard to sustain

This reminds me of that scene in Don Quixote when they decide to destroy his library, and I loved the line, "oh it's Italian, burn it!"

Just found your channel and am obsessed. You do great work on all your videos and I'm deeply interested in the subject matter.

very interesting video thank you trey, hope we can see more soon

honestly the Anaxiamander story is really fascinating to me with how much it seemingly posits theories about the origin and life history centuries before paleontology. And the fact that the descriptions of the contents of the book are only known about through offhand sources means that, unless we can actually find a copy of the original work, we'll probably never know if this guy was ahead of his time and used methods to discern this information that would not be used again for thousands of years, or simply made a lucky guess which only sounds similar to how we view life history today through the few snippets we have describing the original work.