So sad today. That ATC tried everything for him. Leave your condolences here.

@patricksmith2553

Жыл бұрын

Sad when you know the outcome ahead of time, but even more sad and shocking when you hear it and didn't know. I didn't see fatal until the end! Sad, sad, sad. Praying for the deceased loved ones' and I hope the pilot felt okay in the end, knowing he died doing what he loved. You never know when your time is up, none of us is promised a tomorrow let alone next 5 minutes with the billion ways to die. I almost died the other night when I was hit by an elderly man on my e-bike and the driver didn't even help me up out of the roadway or exit his SUV to check on me, he didn't even crack his window to ask me if I was okay, I had forgotten my cell phone and nobody would call 911 and nobody helped me, so the man whose about 85 years old tries to flee the scene and I got more injured blocking his escape route and yelling at the top of my lungs for anyone to help and or call 911, call the Police he hit me on my bicycle and he's fleeing, but long story short he hit me off my bike and I and said bike got trapped between the ground and his car/underneath of the front of his car. So his hood made contact with my right shoulder and I landed on my left side and was trapped between the e-bike that weighs 170lbs and the 4000lbs vehicle in the middle of Ortega Highway/Del Obispo where cars do 50-60mph all day long, and that is the roadway where I landed and could've been ran over a secondary time due to traffic. Thankfully I am alive, the old man hopefully will never drive again and hopefully in the end I get what I deserve for missing work, missing family events and all of the pain and suffering I am going through now. Dr's say I have a few months of physical therapy and tests/scans, etc.,,etc.! So pray for me if you are a believer, as I also have another health problem unrelated and it's fatal and won't get better, but I am okay with my fate. I just hope I get to die in peace or at least not suffering for too long. You never know though, when your time has come is or is about to come, it always comes like a thief in the night. Expect the unexpected and always maintain you spiritual and emotional fitness, so if you do end up in a spot like this pilot or many other's like myself, you better be right with God and family, don't wait until it's too late to patch up broken relationships, forgiveness, etc., etc.! Do it now~ so you'll be good if this ever comes your way...remember this video or what I've said. Nobody wants to die with regrets or unfinished business! So always tell those you love that they matter to you!

@pomerau

Жыл бұрын

Heartily sad for them. My Deepest Condolences to all.

@quentin_godec

Жыл бұрын

RIP

@haraldlorentzen40

Жыл бұрын

So sad. Fly high captain. Thoughts are with family and friends.

@atomic4650

Жыл бұрын

RIP, ATC tried his best.

ATC did a great job. Sad the pilot did not make it. ATC went above and beyond early on, giving the pilot options and suggestions. Whoever the controller was, deserves recognition for doing so much to help that pilot.

@caygill2

Жыл бұрын

This would be a great learning clip for future ATC. What you should do, and a question about what else one could do.

@evanmatthews1599

Жыл бұрын

NY center 132.750

@glennbaz2

Жыл бұрын

Could only hope I had that controller in an emergency. Condolences to pilot and family. Hands out to the ATC'ers

@apa182

Жыл бұрын

Such a great job by the Atc...

@elcheapo5302

Жыл бұрын

He's been a controller for a long time. I hear his voice all the time on NY. And yes, he is very good.

KCGF controller here- 19MT is based out of our airport and I talked to it almost on the daily. Never thought I’d see the day where a plane so close to home would be featured on VAS like this. Breaks my heart to absolute pieces hearing a familiar voice on the radio. RIP to those two men and many thoughts and prayers to the families that they may find peace. 😔

@user-el2fd2ll1i

Жыл бұрын

What was the weather like at his point of departure?

@RichManSCTV0

Жыл бұрын

@@user-el2fd2ll1i it was rainy and foggy that day

@jmaxwell767

Жыл бұрын

I flew this plane regularly from there, hits different when it’s close to home. Thanks for your great work up @cgf tower, always enjoy working with you guys.

@RichManSCTV0

Жыл бұрын

One of my guys was working on 684 when this happened. The Hasidic community once they learned it was one of them on sent so many resources

@CodeBlue_EMT-P

Жыл бұрын

Such a kind and good man who gave so much to our Cleveland area.

Man thats tough for ATC hope he gets the support he needs , RIP to both airborne forever. Pilot sounded to be aviating till the end🙏

@pootthatbak2578

Жыл бұрын

Its making me teary eyed. ATC your vectors and comms were 5x5

@chester8420

Жыл бұрын

@@pootthatbak2578 I agree. Sad outcome, but good job controller. Definately 5X5.

@tingzhong8243

Жыл бұрын

Utterly professional ATC. Thank you for all you do for GA pilots. ❤

@Jmjbs

Жыл бұрын

ATC here. After an event like this in the US we are able to take up to about 5 weeks off to receive mental health counseling with no loss of pay.

@chester8420

Жыл бұрын

@@Jmjbs 5 weeks off work because somebody died in an auto accident? That's rediculous! I am a firefighter and I've seen just about every kind of death. Get done, go back to work. I'm in a very rural area, I can't even imagine what some of those big city fire-EMS-police-hospitals-coroners deal with! People are so out of touch with reality these days. They can't even deal with the most basic part of life. Death.

So close. If ATC asks you if you want to land and check it out, always say yes. And if they ask if you are declaring an emergency they are telling you it is an emergency whether you think so or not. Trust the experts. The passenger called home as they were trying to get in for the landing and told his family what was happening. Extremely tough for both families.

@Bopkasen

Жыл бұрын

That make a whole lot of sense since the pilot can get tunnel vision from the adrenaline. Some can take it. Sometimes, the person can tolerate, but, other time, it just him/her and only him/her. While listening to the pilot, I sense that he was having tunnel vision. a. he reported the serious malfunction b. he used emergency too sparingly c. he delayed communication. But, still, he is a brave pilot and should earn his wing among the sky.

@juliemanarin4127

Жыл бұрын

What a horrible call to get! I don't know what I would do if I got a call like that! 😢💜🙏

@MrTruckerf

Жыл бұрын

@@juliemanarin4127 Talking to a loved one while they crash and die. Oh My God

@pulaski1

Жыл бұрын

If your plane can't climb, can't accelerate, and/or isn't responding properly to throttle inputs, it _IS_ an emergency! How soon you _recognize_ that may well determine whether you survive.

@andrewtaylor940

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, one of the sad lessons from this is engine troubleshooting is best done on the ground. The time he wasted wondering why his plane was unable to climb was time he desperately needed to get it on the ground.

RIP. The ATC is a genuine hero. Nothing more saddening than the phrase “radar contact lost”. Breaks my heart every time I hear it. Peace be with them all.

@jgottula

Жыл бұрын

Tbf I think they often lose radar contact simply when altitude goes too low (somewhere under 1000 ft or thereabouts) and not necessarily as a direct consequence of ground impact. Presumably it depends on the range to the aircraft and the terrain and so forth. But anyway, all my nitpicking aside, it’s often one of the last chilling things you hear in these crash situations, so I totally get you. Feels bad man.

I really like how the other pilots kept communication as short as possible and how the tower kept giving information; know the pilot might have only been able to aviate. Sad for the loss of pilot and passenger.

thats a nearly impossible scenario, engine failure in hard IMC conditions. the passenger was texting his goodbyes. I feel for that tracon controller as well. you could hear the emotion in his voice trying to talk that guy down. we all have had our moments with atc st some point. You cannot doubt, even with the outcome, that controller is a bona fide hero

@killadocg23

Жыл бұрын

Where you got the info that the passenger was texting good byes ?

@floatinflyinandfishing

Жыл бұрын

@@killadocg23 multiple news stories

@jamiecloud1897

Жыл бұрын

@@killadocg23 They had a big article about just that in the Daily Mail about a week ago.

@alexc5449

Жыл бұрын

Not impossible. But definitely not easy. Pilot was clearly disoriented and probably very tense due to the nature of the emergency in IMC. This is why it’s best to practice these situations in a realistic way, flying ILS to unfamiliar airports. Now had he been out in the middle of nowhere with no precision approaches in 20 mile radius, 300 ft bases, say only a nearby NDB, that would beyond difficult and stressful, and I would say beyond the average GA pilot’s proficiency level.

This really has me rethinking flying a single in IFR with low bases. Time to reset personal mins. Thanks for the video. Praying for the families and the controller.

@crazy4gta1

Жыл бұрын

With you on that. I’ve only been in hard imc once and I kept thinking “if my engine fails, we’re gone”. Luckily that didn’t happen……

@kevingreen7644

Жыл бұрын

One month out from IR ride and the more time I get in the clouds the more respect I have for how quickly unforgiving a situation can get. Horrific to listen to the audio, RIP to all aboard.

@gaflyer7329

Жыл бұрын

@@crazy4gta1 I am about to go on my IR CR and I don't think I ever want to be in that position. I'm sticking to day time VFR only.

@seanmurphy9632

Жыл бұрын

Studying for the IR written now. Doubt I'll ever choose to fly in hard IFR. Just want to get through for VFR on top to break out of overcast skies on long trips and get back to VFR.

@davidmangold1838

Жыл бұрын

@@seanmurphy9632 Understanding weather is paramount, and that it can change quickly. Always give yourself an option, on getting back to better weather. I know what you mean about on top, then through clouds to a high ceiling and good visibility. BUT, that doesn’t always work out, so you need to be ready and proficient to break out at 300 and 1/2-on localizer and on glide path. This especially, if the shit hits the fan; ie engine troubles. If you can’t do the above, set your personal minimums to special VFR or above. Dave, 28,000 accident free hours😉

If I ever get into trouble, I want this ATC on the radio

@blpetry

Жыл бұрын

That's what this controller needs to hear right now! Me too!

@VictoryAviation

Жыл бұрын

Same. The pilot would have made it if he wasn’t so far behind in the cockpit. My guess is auditory exclusion was occurring. The pilot had plenty of altitude to reprogram his gps and set up an emergency approach but just didn’t know how to do it fast enough. By then it was too late and he was flying blind while also disregarding the instructions.

Reasons you should land for safety reasons checklist: -Something doesn't feel right -You don't know why your airplane is not performing properly - You are not comfortable changing routes This flight definitely ticks all of those boxes

@rocketcab

Жыл бұрын

.... BEST COMMENT....

@patrickmccoy1531

Жыл бұрын

Even so it went downhill fast. I wonder if ils for 34 was available and if it was worth a try vs going around without oil pressure

@Bartaaron04

Жыл бұрын

Either that or not being vectored above the airport, but trying the approach joining in from the west, maybe that could’ve saved them enough time to reach the airport. We will never know sadly

@EricOrange99

Жыл бұрын

Good point, but it's also a good idea to level off and do a quick check and try to figure things out which is what he did, maybe could have do it sooner.

@101jtag

Жыл бұрын

This works best when you hv many hours on type. Not sure this was the case. It could take a bit longer to realize. Did i see the engine monitor hidden away far from the pilot ? That could be a factor. Also, i really feel the FAA is doing a disservice by keeping things antiquated. We are 2023 this airplane should hv a 'follow the boxes' avionics available at no more cost. Same issue killed Kobe.

Pilot was Close friend of mine he was a really special person a good hearted caring individual with a beautiful family he was also an experienced and cautious pilot unfortunately goes to show that it can even happen to the best of us when the real controller of this world wants us back.

@flywithhan

Жыл бұрын

I am so sorry for your loss.

@lrh411

Жыл бұрын

I am so sorry.

@nikpalagaming8610

Жыл бұрын

My condolences

@prezidenttrump5171

Жыл бұрын

Considering he was convicted of pedo activity, not sure he's such a nice guy.

@TangoDelta8111

Жыл бұрын

Dang it Man, sounds like the world loss some good people, so sorry😢

RIP to Pilot and Passenger. Great work by ATC. Even trying to give him a semi-ASR type approach to get him to the runway as quick as possible. As a CFI-I in the NJ/NY area this video is one to send to all my students

@dzgeek1078

Жыл бұрын

I'm an aviation enthusiast who wants to get a PPL one day, what lessons could be learned from this, I couldn't see what the pilot did wrong here ? Didn't estimate if he couldn't make it to the runway or not ? If anyone can offer any insight that would be great, thanks.

@benjaminwilliams2359

Жыл бұрын

@@dzgeek1078 following

@Gruner1994

Жыл бұрын

@@dzgeek1078 divert earlier. Not when it's already too late. Don't have the normal climb power? Get that airplane to the ground as quickly as possible

@TheJerseyAviator

Жыл бұрын

@@dzgeek1078 single engine Piston, at night, low IFR, low visibility, close to minimums for every approach in the New York area for a Cat B aircraft. The decision starts on the ground. I always say ‘If my engine fails climbing to cruise, can I easily get back into the airport with these IFR Conditions?’ Risk management decision making played a key role in this flight. Also the decision to not declare an emergency immediately and divert played a factor. There is so much to digest here and it’s not anyone’s place to Monday morning QB it. That’s what the NTSB is there for.

@dzgeek1078

Жыл бұрын

@@Gruner1994 thanks for your reply

Truly heartbreaking to hear the airline pilots wishing the controller good luck...they knew how bad the conditions were and you could tell they knew how difficult that was going to be for both pilot and ATC. Tragic =(

You could hear the compassion and absolute anguish in the controller's voice. He did everything he could to get the pilot and his passenger down safely. He should be hailed as a hero. And condolences to the families of those who were lost. May they rest in peace!

@SuperPhunThyme9

Жыл бұрын

That guy was really on top of things. People like him are freaking awesome. Laser-focused when problems come up, and really looking out for the people around them. While I've never had anyone's lives possibly depending on me like this, I know what it feels like to take that specific kind of ownership over a situation to help someone, and it's genuine empathy that drives it. And what guides it-with this level of competence is almost always a commitment to strong values and high personal standards. This ATC guy is one of the people who makes the civilized world what it is-one if the real builders of society.

Some of the best ATC I've ever heard, it had a tragic outcome but it wasn't for lack of effort. RIP.

I’ve been in that situation twice in my career, made the airport both times, IFR at night. Kudos to the controller. Neither he nor the pilot ever gave up. Tragic. They deserved better. 9:24

@pootthatbak2578

Жыл бұрын

Lawrence..does it sound like the pilot should have declared a few minutes sooner? Not climbing seemed to indicate major issues

@MRparrman12

Жыл бұрын

@@pootthatbak2578 you can never go wrong with declaring an emergency as a precaution and turning to the airport immediately to land. But also, none of us saw what this pilot saw and experienced so it’s easy to say that after the fact. RIP.

@JohnRunyon

Жыл бұрын

@@pootthatbak2578 it could also be a "dumb" mistake, or something else that could be rectified in-flight. It sounded like he chose to go ahead and level off so he could investigate, and pretty promptly came back with it being a dead cylinder. We'll never know why he chose not to declare an emergency then, but I don't think it would've changed the outcome anyway. It does seem strange that he waited until 6000 feet to start investigating, although I don't know what his power/rate of climb was like before then of course.

@juliemanarin4127

Жыл бұрын

Yes...both excellent...so very sad

@johny5400

Жыл бұрын

I disagree. This is not being insensitive, but the pilot underestimated partial engine failure, which especially in these meteorological condition would be immediate landing for me, no hesitation. This could have been prevented if he would not ignore engine failure.

As a former Boston controller I can attest to the fantastic job this controller did, an example to all

Like others have already said, the controller did an absolutely phenomenal job of helping the pilot in every possible way. Not only did he provide great service, he also used a calm and reassuring voice indicating to the pilot that they were going to make this work together. Unfortunately the weather really complicated the situation, and as a result brought the most tragic of outcomes. Hopefully a lot of GA pilots will take this as a learning experience, and never hesitate to declare an emergency, ESPECIALLY when the weather is hard IFR. Just in case pilots think declaring an emergency creates a ton of paperwork, don’t even worry about that, ATC is there to help you get on the ground safely. Your life and your passenger’s life is more important than anything else.

@adityanair5613

Жыл бұрын

i'm still trying to find the lesson in this. Yes, declare emergency sooner, but this wasn't a case of totally neglecting to declare an emergency, and it isn't clear if declaring sooner could have made a difference. Another thing could be planning ahead and holding personal minimums for enroute airports, but this seems like one of those cases where they did almost everything they could and just got unlucky, and that makes it incredible scary.

@EricOrange99

Жыл бұрын

That's a great point about GA pilots declaring emergency. That hesitancy almost cost me dearly but I got lucky. In 2015, I was flying a Cherokee 160 west from Long Island, NY to the Hudson/Statue of Liberty. As I passed abeam JFK under Bravo (

@fulano86

Жыл бұрын

@@adityanair5613 not necessarily saying that the pilot didn’t declare an emergency early enough, more so that there are pilots that might feel hesitant to declare an emergency because they think it might not be that serious and that the situation might just work itself out. Every situation is obviously different, but combine low IFR conditions with an airplane that’s not handling the way it’s supposed to, and things can get out of hand real quick. I think everyone here did the best they could in this horrible situation, and had the clouds been only 500 ft higher, they might’ve been able to get it down on the runway.

@fulano86

Жыл бұрын

@@EricOrange99 I’m glad it worked out for you, and this is how we usually learn, from experience. ATC will always go above and beyond to make sure an emergency gets all the possible help they can get, and assist in any way possible.

@TrainerAQ

Жыл бұрын

He'll be filing that paperwork in heaven now

RIP. So close. ATC and pilot did an excellent job of communicating. Sending love to all involved.

Controller was very helpful, providing instructions at the end after pilot indicated he couldn't see much, he really tried...so sad..tragic situation :/

Knowing the outcome the minute he stated loosing oil pressure I was in tears. God this ATC is a HERO

This was so very hard to listen to. The pilot was so calm, but you could hear the tension in the ATC's voice as the plane struggled to make it out of the clouds. My condolences to the families of the deceased.

Lack of normal performance = land and figure it out. When the ATC asks if you want to declare emergency, you should have declared already.

@pootthatbak2578

Жыл бұрын

ATC Knows, i freaked when the pilot said he would work it out..im worried he overshot a bit, near final and turned too steep, lost altitude because of incorrect rudder

@arthousefilms

Жыл бұрын

That's what I thought. Is there some penalty for declaring an emergency if things turn out okay? Why did he hesitate to declare?

@stevenbeach748

Жыл бұрын

No there’s not.

@MrTruckerf

Жыл бұрын

@@stevenbeach748 Maybe some questions on the phone, forms to fill out. It is not to be taken lightly. But in cases such as this, declare an emergency. 19MT also put out a Mayday Mayday Mayday.

@stevenbeach748

Жыл бұрын

@@MrTruckerf forms and phone calls are not a penalty.

They were so close. May they rest in peace. My thoughts go out to their family and friends.

To the controller…. Thank you for doing an amazing job. It’s controllers like you that give your profession the respect it deserves.

They were working really well together. I hope ATC will get through and continue his good work as he's an asset to those in the sky. RIP to those who lost their lives. ♡

I knew of the pilot from the Automotive Industry, he owned a wonderful facility in Cleveland Heights. I didn't know him super well, but we had chatted about our love for cars and flight while I was in one day. He was a fantastic human and carried a wealth of knowledge & light with him, you could feel it radiating off of him. Condolences and love to everyone involved, Forever in Flight.

Tragic... almost made it.. Kudos to ATC for the great work. RIP for both deceased..

That’s definitely the best ATC work you’ll ever hear - he did absolutely everything possible to bring that aircraft safely in.

Just watched this a few days ago. I went to work after, and had an aircraft call me out of the blue with a "rough running engine," I cleared my pattern to runway 34, and suggested they land on the opposite direction runway, 16, because he was set up on a decent wide base already, and the wind was negligible. The pilot declared emergency, said he "lost a cylinder," but made a nice approaching landing. Thankfully, the weather was nice. I honestly might not have offered the opposite direction runway if I hadn't just listened to this. The pilot was very relieved, thanked me by name, haha. I'm not even sure who it was, but I'm glad they landed safely. Great and helpful content here.

Pilot is a friend of friends. This feels very close to home. Tearing up right now listening to this last conversation... So sad. Amazing ATC work and guidance.

ATC was spectacular. They should use this clip for training. That base to Final turn may have scored another one. RIP.

Those NYCTRACON guys are the absolute best. When I was going for my private, based out of HPN, I got lost on my first cross country. After declaring an emergency, low on fuel, and obviously anxious, ATC gave me a heading to fly right to the runway at HPN. They saved my life. God bless them, and God bless the souls from 1MT.

Sad story today. So close to safety. RIP to both and counseling for the ATC

Tough to listen too. ATC was superb. Amazed how incredibly calm the pilot appeared to be throughout. So sad he didn't make it.

@MrTruckerf

Жыл бұрын

Sometimes you do everything right and it ends in death. Others have done everything wrong and never even damaged their plane. You never know. As 19MT said, he was doing the best he could.

I live just a few miles from HPN and know that area and the approach well. It's very dark and the terrain under that approach is heavily wooded, with lakes and a reservoir. The weather was terrible, raining all day with fog and low ceilings. Under those conditions you wouldn't see anything until you were practically on top of the approach lights. The controller did all he could to help and the pilot was so close to safety. Very sad. RIP.

Breaks your heart. ATC was fantastic. God rest your soul.

@rubenvillanueva8635

Жыл бұрын

Many years since I last heard that "AirAmerica" call sign!

This one was a heartbreaker, especially when we all knew what the final outcome was going to be. Kudos to ATC for giving it all he had

A stellar performance by ATC. Godspeed to the pilot and thoughts and prayers for those who love him.

Anytime you see unusual performance in a single engine, you have to land immediately -- no troubleshooting. Even if its something simple, it's better to just get it resolved on the ground. I think these guys were a little lax as they went through the process of noticing and diagnosing. Just a few minutes wasted, and they painted themselves into a nasty corner.

@TinkSalsa

Жыл бұрын

You could tell the controller was trying to do just that, but the pilot just kept going.

@pdquestions7673

Жыл бұрын

@@TinkSalsa -- After a few critical minutes of very passive attention to the lack of engine performance, everyone went into their A-game. I'm just saying it's better to invoke the A-game as early as possible when there's any kind of performance issue in a single engine aircraft. No need to notice and think about it, or troubleshoot.. In flying, every minute is critical, and in this case way too many minutes were lost before everyone got into their A-game. No offense to the pilots or controller, but we have to learn from each accident.

@atomic4650

Жыл бұрын

Yep. Really can't take any chances with single engines. It can go bad before you can do anything about the situation.

@TinkSalsa

Жыл бұрын

@@pdquestions7673 agreed. I am more referencing how the controller offered to redirect the pilot back to the airport and was asking about him declaring an emergency at multiple points before thr pilot took those steps.

@pdquestions7673

Жыл бұрын

@@TinkSalsa -- this was after the pilot reported being puzzled with the engine's lack of performance. Sadly, it looks like the pilot noticed performance issues early in the climb, even before asking to stop the climb. Instead of asking to stop the climb (which shows he wasn't wiling to fully communicate his situation at first, and not being aggressive about his situation), he should already have reported engine trouble and requested vectors to the nearest runway. Critical lack of urgency. Yes, it sucks that he was flying from JFK, but he really had to ask for priority vectors right away. Without even loading an approach, the controllers could have basically vectored him down to final at JFK.

I live close to both HPN and SWF. This was a very sad story on the local news. The pilot and passenger were apparently pillars of their community.

@ranonampangom2185

Жыл бұрын

Ah yes, because the value of a human life is determined by how many people a person knows. How sad. That explains why immigrants are treated so badly in this country.

@peterfitzpatrick7032

Жыл бұрын

@@ranonampangom2185 thats a pitiful comment... to try to bring political point-scoring into a tragedy like this is beyond sick...for shame... 😒

I've declared an emergency (electrical failure in IMC). Thundersrorms, airliners all stacked up over the big NY airports. Diverted to HPN. The NY Approach controllers are awesome. Westchester was also my x-country solo destination for my initial training years before that. So sad these flyers didn't make it. Hats off to the controller who helped perfectly in every way possible. The family...imagine being on the phone with them as it happened. Peace.

The worst part is seeing how close they were to the airport when the plane went down. Outstanding work by all involved, right to the end 💔

Why don't we have a series of interviews and commemoration for these incredible air traffic controllers who do this day in and day out. I've been super-impressed by their professionalism and help throughout these videos.

@rbrianharris

Жыл бұрын

I couldn't agree more. Maybe for every talking-head blowhard on cable news we could celebrate 10 people who show up, do their job with dedication and honor, and go home to their families. I think we'd all be happier.

I’m not sure how his Bonanza is set up but situations like this make me thankful for my G1000 panels. The ability to quickly set up an approach with just a few button presses can really make a big difference in this kind of a situation. Great attempt by the controller to save this one. You did an amazing job and in this pilots opinion, everything you could possibly do with the tools you’re given. We’re lucky to have controllers like you up there with us.

@Adam20231

Жыл бұрын

Not a current pilot so forgive my ignorance. By saying your G1000 panels do you mean it takes just a few seconds to change plans and program in a new airport/route? It sure seems like if he had a few more minutes he could have made it…

@SuperTrb0

Жыл бұрын

@@Adam20231 That is exactly what I am saying. In addition to being able to get vectors to final, with the G1000s synthetic vision, the lack of visibility wouldn’t have been as much of a factor. I hate to sound like a commercial but modern avionics are a game changer. They do increase safety. I shudder to think of the work load that pilot was dealing with in his final moments. The controller was doing an amazing job trying his very best to get him lined up verbally but with the delay between radio and radar, with the poor weather and engine problems, his chance for survival was really low. With better avionics this situation might have turned out very different.

@Shadow__133

Жыл бұрын

I doubt any pilot today doesn't have access to a gps, even handheld or ipad. That plus tuning ILS frequency and turning to intercept should have taken less than 2 min.

@SuperTrb0

Жыл бұрын

@@Shadow__133 It’s not just having the ability to quickly dial up the ILS freq that is the difference maker, it’s the synthetic view systems in modern avionics like the G1000 that makes things safer. It takes the workload off the pilot so they can just fly the airplane.

@Shadow__133

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperTrb0 Sure, but you can have all that and more with many apps on an ipad or even a phone. Technically not legal, but does exactly the same. And I know very few people that fly GA without one nowadays. I never needed or used synthetic vision for anything, despite having it on G1000. The top down view would be enough in this case, he collided with the ground, not a mountain.

300 ft bases is a nightmare to try and land in no engine, when he broke out even if he could see the airport his reaction time available would be seconds.

This ATC is top notch! Every suggestion he makes is the best option

RIP. ATC was good and encouraging

This is a crying shame he was so close to landing it and maybe walking it off hard to think what would happen if he just decided he had to land it pretty much any earlier RIP both of them and sorry to those who had to be there to hear them lose that fight

@cessna177flyer3

Жыл бұрын

Agree. Engine was showing problems several minutes before oil pressure was lost.

I had to do this sort of thing with a flight of 4 A7s at San Juan airport. They were TACAN only and the TACAN failed. Bases were about 800' so I just drew an extended centerline on the old EARTS scope and since I knew they were over water I just kept 'em coming down until they had the field in sight. Nobody ever said a word to me about the unorthodox procedure. Had they crashed I'd have been in hot water!

Condolences to the pilot and passenger. 300 ft base is a nightmare on a good day, can't even imagine in an emergency.

@cessna177flyer3

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Why takeoff and accept that risk?

@jrod_pilot_miami

Жыл бұрын

@@cessna177flyer3 I mean, I'm sure they didn't plan on an engine failure but you must REALLY need to get where you're going to consider flying with weather minimums that low.

@execatty

Жыл бұрын

I live near jfk.. cannot tell you how bad the weather was on this night.. zero visibility fog brutally low clouds.. not the night for this problem sadly.. rip.. atc was amazing

@funwithakthechannelwherean4510

5 ай бұрын

@@jrod_pilot_miami i am telling you right now as someone related to the passenger, they really did NOT need to get back home that quickly. On the way there, yes they did because they were flying to a funeral and jewish funerals happen very quickly after death so they needed to be there quickly, but on the way back there was zero reason why they couldn't have taken a commercial flight or delayed flying back. Idk their circumstances though, maybe the plane was rented and needed to be returned that day, or something else. Either way whats done is done. May their memories be a blessing.

So sad, cried a little. ATC was amazing.

Damn, such a tragic event. Massive respect to the controller for doing everything they could to save the flight. Condolences to the family of both on board

@jimpuff8409

Жыл бұрын

I live 3 miles from the airport and that night around 5:17 it was so foggy you could cut it with a knife with heavy rain I remember it clearly. Such a shame

KHPN is my home airport. So sad. ATC did a great job. My condolences to both families.

Passenger was my uncle, it will have been a year since this happened next month and its so surreal to see just how quickly people outside of my family just moved on from this event after all was said and done. The world really does just keep moving after a loss. The world may have forgotten about him, but my family hasnt, they CANT. His loss leaves a void that can never be filled, and although his family is immensely strong and has bounced back fairly quickly, his loss is still felt during holidays, where his energy used to light up the most. May your memory be a blessing Ben, you were a person who was hard to forget once met.

@davidhandyman7571

5 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing. It is not that people do not care; they are just swamped by what this world throws at them. Keep your memories strong. Blessings from Australia.

what a tragedy...that poor pilot was probably too overwhelmed to keep a closer distance to the runway on downwind. may their memory be eternal.

@jaykay6412

Жыл бұрын

ILS descent starts 5 miles out so with an engine still running and the pilot having turned too far south the controller had him on a downwind out to 5 miles to turn around, when he realized the engine was going the controller vectored him straight to the field. another 500ft or so of altitude when this all started and he'd have made it. so sad

Even compared to other fatal crash videos, this one was really hard to watch...

Man that is tragic for everyone involved. The ATC operator and obviously the pilot. It seemed as tho he was so close.

If he would have called an emergency just after a problem developed and headed to airport he might be around today! Lesson never wait to declare an EMERGENCY! Get to the nearest place to land. Rest in peace!❤

So sad. Everyone did everything they could, it just wasn't meant to be. RIP pilot and passenger and all the best to that ATC, he is amazing.

@cessna177flyer3

Жыл бұрын

“Everything they could”? Well, they decided to takeoff into 300' overcast at night. Those are two risks I'm not willing to take. I would have waited a few hours until morning and flown home in better weather and in daylight. Second, and we'll have to wait until the NTSB releases the final report, but to me the engine problem began around 3000 feet when they couldn't climb. Had he declared an emergency then (and not waited several more minutes until oil pressure was lost) and proceeded straight to the nearest airport, the outcome may have been different, but it's too early to make a definitive proclamation like "everyone did everything they could".

This was HEARTBREAKING to hear. What a FANTASTIC Job the ATC Did & also the Pilot, He was Flying to the END. 😢😢😢😢😢

Incredibly sad. Sincere condolences to all family and friends of those lost.

Damn it, he tried everything to help the pilot out but in the end it's not enough. So sad but great work from the ATC.

Awe man that’s really sad to think about and visualize with this video. I’m no pilot but I can only imagine this man didn’t even have time to get scared he did what he could . RIP he sounds like he passed doing something he loved.

Even though you let us know what was going to happen I couldn't help but cheer him on. "Come on, you're almost there!" RIP What terrible conditions to lose your engine.

@peterfitzpatrick7032

Жыл бұрын

I found myself doing the same... 😖

This one hurts. Good job ATC. Praying for the families.

What a tragedy. Watched this at the edge of my seat. Hats off to the controller for his help, guidance and support with vectors every second. The pilot maintained a calm and composure throughout and flew the plane. My sincere condolences to his family and I tip my hat of to the controller - may I have the privilege to fly with you on the other side of the mic one day. It is heartbreaking to realized the plane overflew the field almost and crashed less than 2 miles from the runway. Single pilot IFR is tough but add a serious emergency like this and it's hell.

Well sometimes this is just how it goes.... They did just about all they could do right, but it wasn't enough. May they rest well now.

@cessna177flyer3

Жыл бұрын

Well, they decided to takeoff into 300’ overcast at night. Those are two risks I’m not willing to take. I would have waited a few hours until morning and flown home in better weather and in daylight. Second, and we’ll have to wait until the NTSB releases the final report , but to me the engine problem began around 3000 feet when they couldn’t climb. Had he declared an emergency then (and not waited several more minutes until oil pressure was lost) and proceeded straight to the nearest airport, the outcome may have been different, but it’s too early to make a definitive proclamation like “they did all they could”.

@MrMegaMario64

Жыл бұрын

@@cessna177flyer3 Ok let me rephrase.... Everything the ATC could have done was given the delayed timing of things. While I agree with you, I also don't care to discuss semantics involving the death of a few unfortunate people in the air, because at the end of the day that's what matters.

@cessna177flyer3

Жыл бұрын

@@MrMegaMario64 agree re: ATC. And yes, perhaps it is too soon to be discussing nuance while we mourn our pilot brother.

Sounds like absolute worst case scenario for that poor guy, RIP and my condolences to the families.

RIP. Pilot sounded calm, despite the mechanical issues and low visibility.

Sad to see\hear... RIP...

Amazing job by the controller, such a pity. R.I.P. to the pilot.

RIP to the pIlot and pax, Fantastic job by the ATC, they did everything they could.

Wow, very heartbreaking to listen to. ATC did an outstanding job getting that pilot where he did, kudos. RIP pilot and pax.

Supreme work by ATC. A shame his efforts didn't result in a better outcome, but that fella did absolutely everything he possibly could to assist. Hats off to him.

ATC actions were commendable. RIP to those who lost their lives.

May they RIP, prayers for the ATC too 🙏

This is heartbreaking😞. My condolences.

ATC did a great job. Sad it didn't end well. He got so close , too.

Very sad. My condolences go out to their families. This video hit hard :(

GREAT job ATC, od Bless you Sir.

These two guys was on their way home from a funeral in NY. RIP to both of them!!!!

ATC was great and on point. ATC went to vectors and did everything. Pilot did all he could without being able to see the ground. So sad and hard to listen to. RIP

ATC were absolutely stellar. Nothing more they could have done, even with hindsight. Brilliant brilliant job.

Damnit. RIP. Excellent job ATC

Sending prayers for all involved 🙏

My condolences for the pilot’s family, what a tragedy. 😔

RIP :(, thank you ATC for the hard word, you guys are heroes!

damn... I grew up not far from there. Condolences to the family. Kudos to the ATC guy. Excellent job.

Rest in Peace friend. Heart breaking. But phenomenal effort by that controller.

Damn that sucks for ATC. I hope he is surrounded by good support.

Prayers for healing to all involved.🙏

So very sad. Rest in peace, sir. Prayers & condolences for his loved ones.

Fucking heartbreaking for the controller, he did absolutely everything right but unfortunately it didn't work out. Single engine IFR in bad weather remains very risky. Thanks to all the controllers keeping us pilots safe day in and day out.

@geezerhull

Жыл бұрын

oddly enough, I've been on BOTH sides of that coin. old man now despite heart attack while in atc at 45. 78 now. everyone made it though so never have had to carry that one for life.

This one hits close to home for me. I did my instrument rating at Westchester County Airport. Flying in low I FR and in a single engine plane carries inherent risk. I thought everyone involved in this incident did everything they could given the circumstances. I’m personally going to reconsider my minimums, especially when flying over areas of low IFR.

@edgars6081

Жыл бұрын

if u dont mind me asking what flight school did u use and do u recommend them?

@rmaracallo

Жыл бұрын

@@edgars6081 I did my instrument at Academy of Aviation. I did not have any issues going through the program. I had a really good instructor who has since moved on to the airline. I recommend going there and feeling the place out. I'm currently finishing my commercial at Take flight in Orange County (KMGJ). Take Flight is a great flight school with a great group of guys also.

@edgars6081

Жыл бұрын

@@rmaracallo I was thinking of doing the accelerated career program but can’t really find much detailed reviews so thank you for that. I have the option to go to Arizona for the airline programs but I also hear bad things about them and the cost would go up quite a bit as I’d have to stay out there for 3 years meanwhile here I’d save on that. Good luck

I appreciate this video.

Damn :( RIP, sirs. Thanks to the ATC for a truly professional job.

So terrifying for those involved R.I.P.

Very sad , engine out in IMC condition sucks big time