You couldn't have both ring gears cornected with a pin because they spin the opposite direction

@arduinoversusevil2025

5 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah. What possible reason then? Damping?

@gregorybilby4360

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's gotta be damping or a literal spare. Odd choice for adding weight unless they expect a failure mode to be common enough to merit one of those. Edit: seems like preventing the pinion from disengaging and stripping makes the most sense from what I've seen posted. Cheers all!

@MichaelSteeves

5 жыл бұрын

@@arduinoversusevil2025 I'm thinking that it evens out the load on the pinion gear so there is less unidirectional load on the bearing. Don't trust me though, I'm electrical.

@radradR0bot

5 жыл бұрын

@@arduinoversusevil2025 my guess is just back pressure to hold the shaft in place like you said. to reduce radial load on the pinion gear

@jamescuddihy5084

5 жыл бұрын

@@arduinoversusevil2025 Less gyroscopic effect?

The second ring gear is to take the side load of the pinion, without needing to get a pinion support in the center. It's a non precision answer to a problem that's usually solved with precision. :-) Those molded gears are probably DIIIIRTY cheap.

@erat91

5 жыл бұрын

Pinion gear in your rear diff doesn't need a second ring gear. On this, there is a massive bearing just behind the pinion that is housed in the aluminum casing and then held in on the back side by that metal plate. I cant imagine the pinion is going to move, nor the ring gear. If it moves enough to jump teeth i'd imagine it would just break.

@nerobro

5 жыл бұрын

@@erat91 They're a lot shorter, with much stouter castings. By doing the double driven pinion, the only load you're really left worrying about is torque, and that's easy to handle with that plastic motor housing. Trying to get the bearings loaded, and inline, and "right" is less easy than one would like...

@bvs1q

5 жыл бұрын

and or otherwise saving strain on motor and motor bearings to save it overall electronicly. aswell as balance/ better loading response

@josephdragojevich7041

5 жыл бұрын

you saved me the time of typing up the same thing thanks lol

@TdrSld

5 жыл бұрын

@@erat91 The Ford 9" uses a pinion pilot bearing and so do some of the Toyota axles to help with pinion deflection, also the pinion is held in place by two large tapered bearing that are preloaded in a fixed metal housing. The saw has two small roller bearings with no preload on them, the two ring gears spine in opposite directions and act as both countering mass and pinon control.

I just bought this tool, lol. Thanks AvE. I used it all day, cutting out drywall for a bathroom remodel. About 4 years ago, going from a truck full of brushed to brushless (remodeling tools of all kinds), I saw an immediate increase in torque and battery life over my previous tools. I gave my son my old tools so he could experiment to see if he liked that kind of stuff and I upgraded (so I was hoping) to brushless. In the process, I noticed the batts that came with brushless tools were better, having gauges and higher capacity and runtime than the cheaper brushed and multi-tool kits. As a result of all this, I now buy mostly the best option available, getting the best batts, another charger and a more efficient tool. I noticed over the last couple years which batteries lasted the longest, survived the cold and hot extremes (-35 to 125F) in my travels. The brushless run smoother, are quieter, cooler, and last longer (4 years into this observation). So, I'm sold on brushless, all major professional brands seam to be improving and outperforming former versions/technologies that I can see.

6x longer tool life wow I’ll be waiting for the 42 year review

Two counter-rotating eccentric weights cancelling each others forces in one plane and doubling in the other. Used to deliver balancing counter force for the recoil of moving mass of piston-blade -assembly.

@fsherman898

5 жыл бұрын

Panu Brodkin Thank you, I didn’t gather any other suggestions that proved this theory!

@matthewsmith8168

5 жыл бұрын

This was going to be my thought. Counterweight to reduce vibration.

@jamesf9610

5 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure why or what but I can tell you the older brushed model will shake your teeth loose just holding it and running it not cutting anything just letting it run where the newer brushless has barely any vibration at all.

@hermanni1989

4 жыл бұрын

Good luck getting that back together the way it balances tho.

Your videos like this help us ordinary blokes (and ladies , if they are so inclined) to make an informed choice of tool to buy .... Keep them coming Sir

He opened the box un-normally.... or normally?... this just doesn't feel right

@thevogonpoet6306

5 жыл бұрын

I thought the same until he said the bit about shipping her off to a viewer for a hard life of hot suppers and failure analysis.

@recklessroges

5 жыл бұрын

He used a French knife, (does that count as kinky enough?)

@buillioncubes

5 жыл бұрын

French knife with a tree carcass handle. And a left-hand assist.

@andrewb9940

5 жыл бұрын

Couldn't find a charged Bosch battery I suppose

@Tachy-yi9re

5 жыл бұрын

He did slice through the cardboard and not just tape.

l love the loving words the camera gets when it needs to be reminded to focus!!! Thank you!!

A pro tip: Put your stroopwafel on the hot coffee for extra softness.

@ZulkSOD

5 жыл бұрын

That's tea homie

@AaronCiuffo

5 жыл бұрын

It really is the only way to properly enjoy a stroopwafel

@remcovanvliet3018

5 жыл бұрын

@@AaronCiuffo popping it in the microwave for about ten seconds also works. That way you get to enjoy a hot stroopwafel before your coffee gets cold.

@bertjetolberg103

5 жыл бұрын

Eat them fresh from factory instead of first shipping them to the other side of the world lol

@olik136

5 жыл бұрын

I am pretty sure stroopwafels are the densest material known to humankind

I just appreciate the honesty. It's nice to get the full, real story.

Had mine 2 years ish and heating engineer so use it everyday, mainly stripping out old stuff but not used 18v dewalt one since having the m12 , perfect for me !

Having been involved in RC car racing for 30 years now I can tell you that brushless motors do a lot more work for the energy put in... They are so much better all around. Only maintenance is keeping them clean. The advancement from brushed motors with NiCad/NiMh to brushless with LiPo was a huge leap in performance. Also more fires, but that is mostly due to user error.

@xanthopoulos1825

5 жыл бұрын

User error fires, almost seen one of these when a green coworker melted down a 1/4 Milwaukee impact while drilling concrete

@GigAnonymous

5 жыл бұрын

Trouble is with LiPo, is that the errors from the previous users can end up in a fire when YOU'RE using them. And man do those little brushless rotors for drones get a lot done. Brushed motors can't even begin to compare.

@frodehau

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, too much power almost. Transmission parts hasn't kept up.

@killingtimeitself

5 жыл бұрын

@@GigAnonymous thats why you hoard your own stash of lipos

@nikkivix5640

5 жыл бұрын

i agree, and they can produce much much more low speed torque with a sensored setup like in rock crawlers.

The two halves not only spin in opposite directions but if you look closely as the shells come apart at the 12:30 mark, you will see that they are weighted oppositely as well. Reduces vibration by being counter balanced.

My guess is the 2nd opinion is there to help hold the gear in mesh and remove the side load similiar to a herringbone gear, just less expensive to make. It probably also provides a counter balnace to reduce vibrations if the are installed in opposite orientation. You could not pin them together because they rotate opposite directions.

Love the audiosetup, having you talk so close to me send shivers down me neck.

I just switched up to the brushless! Quite a nice difference! Thanks for comparing them!

One nice thing about having so many viewers. Even though you're sometimes wrong, you're never wrong for very long.

The second gearwheel will add mass for flywheel effect but you can't use both to drive as they'll be rotating in opposite directions

So, a quick review of the service parts list seems to answer all of the questions. The pinion does engage both spinamathings. There is a carefull clucking required to properly assemble this thing to achieve proper chooch. The left hand gear does indeed rotate opposite the right, but its purpose is to sling its counter balance weight opposite of the right side. This'll give the tird hoarders much less carple tunnel syndrome action. Just like a sewing machine, smooooth. Makes up for that xtra weight

@shaners256

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly. The gears are just used as counterbalances.

@kennethhicks2113

5 жыл бұрын

Sorry but as a counter weight for balancing is concerned, it does not and can not counter the other at all angular positions, actually only 1 position of tangential moment is canceled.

@Scott9181970

5 жыл бұрын

@@kennethhicks2113 You sure it's not two? Pretty sure just as even a broken clock is right twice a day, two counter rotating offset weights will be perfectly (or near as makes no difference at least) out of phase twice per revolution

@skibob6

5 жыл бұрын

How was this comment posted 4 days ago if the video was posted yesterday?

@padraicmcguire108

5 жыл бұрын

@@skibob6Patron's can post when they are given access to the Video. Often as much as a week earlier than public release

I missed the classic AvE. This is a nice change of pace.

Love the camera quality and the 60FPS.

once I learned your lingo you have taught me a ton. Thank you very much sir.

Got the M18 version of it. It made quick work of 2” PVC pipe for an Eagle Scout project. It’s alright.

I've had the Fuel for nearly 2 years, loving it, but I'm also an elechicken, so we try to keep the water away from our work. The power difference makes up for the weight in my mind. it's the perfect compromise.

The new size kills me. My custom tool box that fits all my cordless tools perfectly...and now I have to redo everything because it's SOOOOO Much bigger. Also, I've run into many places the new brushless doesn't fit, where the old one would.

@TheMcdrewb

5 жыл бұрын

PowerScissor My custom box also won’t take the new one....and it doesn’t fit in those tight spots...but it’s so much stronger...for me the old one was underpowered

@PowerScissor

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheMcdrewb I wish there was some middle ground. The power is nice...but at the current size I might as well just use full size sawzall sometimes.

@davidlundy9142

4 жыл бұрын

I agree..the answer for me was keep the brushed and then when more power is needed use the fuel full sawzall

Man you are my favorite person on KZread

Weight is an issue! That's why my right arm is twice as big as my left arm, not because my old lady took an oath of celibacy after we got married.

@Progan666

5 жыл бұрын

You could try becoming ambidextrous

@zachdemand4508

5 жыл бұрын

I think you mean chastity, celibacy is the state of being unmarried. Sorry to be that guy.

@chrisjones6165

5 жыл бұрын

@@slovencleta lol

@duncthomas3327

5 жыл бұрын

Oh snap you too!?

I bet company's cringe whenever a new BOLTR video comes out. They're hoping he don't tear their stuff down and rip them on their shortcomings.

@thirstbuster78

4 жыл бұрын

quadracer392 I hope they are..

I have the 18v version of the Hackzall. Came "free" with a drill and driver set. I'll tell ya what. I have used it a ton and really like it. Has come in handy more times than I would have guessed.

So, I'm fascinated by your breadth of manufacturing knowledge. At first I thought you were full of crap but the fact you receive correction form people who are more versed on a particular topic refutes that. I can only imagine the times you've gotten into it with someone who really is a nut case.

They had to make it bigger to fit a bigger logo. How you gonna read the logo from a mile away on the tiny little old one?!

Ive had both and gave my brother the brushed one to cut off exhausts and whatnot. I use the fuel daily to cut pvc and other plastic piping. It'll cut wood. But it'll need a really good blade and a battery on the charger. It's got its pluses. I have an m18 sawzall for heavier duty stuff and im happy with it.

I didnt finish the video so sorry if you covered this. If the bevel gears were connected with the crank pin the pinion wouldnt turn. So my guess is that extra gear is in there for either added mass or for vibration dampening by harmonics or magic, however the hell it works.

I'm dumbfounded at AvE and all you guys in the comments, many of you are so knowledgeable. I consider myself generally quite handy but when it comes to stuff like what AvE is doing with all the tinkering I'm completely clueless. How do all you people in the comments know so much and what is AvE's background? Are you guys mechinal engineers or just like to tinker on your spare time and are self learned? Whenever I tried to learn something from my dad regarding engines and how they work all I got to do was hold a flashlight while he was working on it.

I used one of these to cut all the installation for my foundation when I built my house it's an extremely useful tool I believe it was the brush version that I used

i really like your honest reviews on tools. gives everyone a heads-up on whats wrong with todays tools. unfortunately Im still using my 25 yr old Default sawzall, had to brush it one time. but no circuit-boards to flake out when its buried in the mud , or having some under water adventures. not sure what to say about that extra gear. grind'em if you got'em? i guess you can always use an extra when the main gear grinds away. or not if its cut the wrong way. lol

Had mine for years now. Since the brushed one was stolen. Been used extensively on timber, steel and mostly cutting out plaster board. Does well in trimming in the garden too. First thing I noticed was the extra weight but secondly was the extra punch. On the switch, I find the tool does not hard start so full current is not made nor broken. I could be well wrong though.

Turd Herder here the brushed version was my most loved tool when i got it. cheap, light, does a good job, but ultimately wears out quick was i using it to hard yes but it was the best darn drywall saw i ever owned due to the fact that it would bind up on anything i shouldn't cut. got the m18 fuel before the 12v got rid of the 12v about 2 months later as if i needed the power i would just use the m18 but the selling point from the Milwaukee rep was that they made it more water resistant

Lunch time special...the new model is great the old one struggled cutting 3/4 EMT. The fuel cuts 1” + all day and I like the low rpm for cutting threaded rod..

@ryanjohnson571

5 жыл бұрын

Buy a manual threaded rod cutter.. there not that expensive

@TheMcdrewb

5 жыл бұрын

john stone what I was saying is the fuel hacksaw cuts threaded rod great!one less tool to lug around every day I’m sure a manual threaded rod cutter is heavy and bulky

I cut raw stock with the M18 FUEL sawzall almost every day. Hot suppers are a regular occurrence. I have no problem serving up a roast fest for the M12 Hackzall if you need.

I've had one of those M12 Fuel Hacksaws for about a year, and use it on a daily basis to cut copper, PVC and the like. I haven't noticed any real fatigue from the weight of the tool compared to the using a regular M12 Hacksaw in a similar way. Now, the same can't be said for the M18 Fuel Hacksaw with a 5 or 6 amp battery on it though; that MFer has some weight to it.

great as always sir ! best wishes to you and yours :)

this video was particularly good. please do more comparisons between current model year and old beat up stuff.

We use these almost daily for underground pool pipe repair, they old ones wouldn't last 2 months because of the wet conditions we used them in. The new ones haven't failed yet, other than the blade holder/release seizing up

@AVE what I have had fail on 3 these tools is the drive pins on the spindle gears for the output shaft. They break clean off and no replacements. Always a few months after the extended warranty ran out.

Ya buddy, finally here when a new vid drops.

The additional ring gear is also likely for reducing lateral thrust on the pinion gear.

I have exactly the same knife as one you use to open box... Quiet nice, blade is good and handle is really comfy even if it's not my fav type.

Yes , you are correct . Us, turd herders did have alot of issues with the first iteration. They frequently seized up and then send up the tiniest smoke offering to the Tim the tool man gods. The 20 volt varients don't don't poo the bed nearly as frequently.

I wonder if that opposing crown gear is designed to reduce gear lash to near zero, because as we all know, a sloppy fit sometimes makes things slip out of alignment, and next thing you know--you're out of the pink and into the stink.

I had the same thought as radradroadbot, that the bevel crownwheels run counter to each other, however, the greater rotating mass will give more inertia and reduce stalling in use. Also as you mention they will prevent the pinion pushing away from the crownwheel at high torque.

What a super cool idea Ave . Can't wait for someone to scoop it up testing. Testing by the community For the community ! Should send it across Canada , 1 uncle every province has a go and sends it back lol GPS the thing too if you wanted

I think the second ring gear provides that extra bit of inertia to keep the saw from bogging and coming to a stop, blowing those MOSFETs. (In addition to keeping the pinion gear solidly enmeshed). Double the rotational mass, double the kinetic energy.

I have the fuel M18 version I used it to cut down my neighbors wattle tree while they were on holidays. I left a note in their mailbox saying it was removed by council because of risk to powerlines. Like the M12 here the M18 fuel is quite a bit bigger and heavier than the non-fuel model.

I have one of these, and tore it down, just because you made it look like good fun. Couple of thing I noticed. 1. That copper spring thing, makes the safety switch clicky, but I watch your vids long enough to know you probably toss it to the art bin anyway. 2. Its interesting that Milfaukees says, that the FUEL brushless motors are " Engineered uniquely for each tool", yet this one has a bi directional fan. Guess that 6x longer life was good enough. 3. Here in Hungary, we are still paying double the price for the FUEL compared to the brushed one.

I love this channel

Rockin' the opinel, yah bud.

Of all the hot suppers I've fed my m12 brushed. The gears are getting sloppy but it still chops everything I ask of it, every day. I chose the brushed for the smaller size. As its cut countless tons of drywall and wood it'll die soon and I'll prob get the brushless version. Hopefully it's more skookem though the brushed version def didn't disappoint. Great little tool

Despite your best efforts none of the recent installments have been demoneitzed. Must be cause of all the subscribers

The second gear seems to be just functioning as an extension of the thrust bearing properties provided by the other side of the housing to maintain contact with the drive gear and prevent gear skip & pop out.

I spent WAAAAYYYYYY too fucking long playing this back frame by frame, trying to figure out if there was a rendering artifact, or if there was some sort of hidden ruler/T-shart giveaway hidden in there.

4:40 Jesus Christ...!!!😂😂😂😂Man, I knew there was something about you I liked. Was kinda hoping it wasn't that, but DAMN, you're a good, funny man...😂 Bless your wife for puttin' up with you, and giving as good as she's gettin'!

Just don't let anyone EVER dull you're sparkle bud...and all will be right and good.

love the Opinel box cutter!

I believe the second crown gear it there for your second guess, support. It protects the drive gear from hopping gears under much more torque produced by the brushless motor.

The second gear is for counter balance, you may even find that they could be timed to one another to omit vibration.

I'm sure they could've figured out a simpler way to deal with the side loading of the pinion on the crown gear. The crown gears are balanced and if I had to guess, I'd theorize that the extra gear is there to provide an equal amount of offset balancing on either side of the reciprocating shaft.

Thanks for this review. I was looking at this very tool and the moment you put it on the scale I decided Nope. I'm not completely sold on the big brushless movement. I had a brushed Makita cordless 1/2" drill that gave up the ghost after three years of hard use. I replaced it with the brushless model with the thinking being that brushless motors were better for my model airplanes they have to be better for tools. I was mistaken. Where the brushed motor could grunt it's way through starting a 1/2" auger bit and get up to running speed the brushless drill would just torque out and stop. Sucks when it torques out in the middle of a hole and you have to borrow a Ryobi drill to finish the hole.

Holy oh Fack long time no see. I gotta join your Patreon this waiting for vids sucks!

Like the mug AvE!!

Mines been sitting in the bottom of a bag since christmas of 2016. Thing had a hard time cutting 1/2" chip board, you know, the stuff you can break a chunk off of with your bare mitts. Mind, it was the small 12v battery but even still, I couldn't imagine what was successfully getting cut with it. Maybe something was dickered from the get go, be glad to send it up North.

Always handy to have a second ring around to take some of the load.

Sweet, another ave video.

AvE, renegade maverick of tool review justice.

I've had my m18 hackzall for 3 years as a plumber, still going strong but of all the tools a have, they wear in to a darker red.

On top of others comments, I believe that the second ring gear is also for BALANCING. With equal weight on each side of the crank instead of on a single side, it should conceivably be 'perfectly' balanced in the wibble-wobble side-to-side torque action that off-center flywheels/balance wheels/shafts can create at time. Old design vs new design held in each hand wide open - any difference in the 'hand fatigue' metric?

The bearings on the regular m12 saw definitely seize up. Thankful I was able to take it apart clean the bearings and pack them full of some new grease and its still going strong

You even have an Opinel .... (french guy ;) ) love your videos ;)

I fucking love your videos. Keep up the good work

I bought one of these because they are light, for cutting into drywall for electrical boxes, and being light makes it easier to use with one hand. I might buy a non fuel version for this reason. When I am standing on a ladder and trying to cut into a ceiling, weight is a premium. In any event I have used and abused this tool for light tree trimming and I have not had too much trouble. I bought a super sawzall for tree trimming and I have to say I think the collet that holds the blades in is the biggest point of failure. With more power, it is easier to break blades. The thicker blades are very hard to remove if you snap the retaining piece in the collet when you brake a blade. Taking apart this collet, is not too bad, but putting it back together is a pita, especially with one hand. And yes I know, I should buy a chainsaw, but again with one hand, they are a handful.

I install patient lifts in hospitals all over the US, I would love to test the tool, but we don't use sawzall's enough to get a proper result. But as for drills, impacts, or circ saws, I got you covered buddy.

"A mystery wrapped in an enigma covered in schmoo." 😂

fancy knife there AVE! i've got 2 a nº12 stainless and a nº 8 carbon! because i can lol

Your unicorn mug turned out way nicer than the one I did.

Those two gears in the saw spin opposite from each other and the second gear is designed to oppose the horizontal vibration from the primary gear and help balance the reciprocating motion witch the first gear does also.

The two gears have counterweights to ballance them and also the pistonthingy. the two counter rotating masses wold also eliminate gyroscopic efekts that would be my guess on this. Nice Video as always I enjoyed it:)

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It would be nice to see a Milwaukee M12 Bandsaw BOLTR! From an electricians apprentice, these things are great for EMT. I Know Milwaukee also makes an M18 Port-A-Band that can cut past 5" EMT i do believe!

Love those Opinel knives. Cheap as frig and theyll take a beating like no other.

Thanks for the video.

Hmmmm….. a BOLTR comparison! I like it!

From the product page: Dual-gear counter-balance mechanism significantly reduces vibration, providing faster starts in metal and reducing user fatigue.

I've been given a m12 fuel hackzall a daily hot supper as a sparky nothing gone wrong yet. The grip battery holder had to be tightened once and the tooless chuck kind of sucks too.

The idling crown gear keeps the pinion from jumping the track, lowering the lateral force on the bearing.

The extra crown gear provides more of a flywheel effect (torque), and reduces axial load on the pinion gear.

Is the Ti chip an instaspin? Or what P/N? Just curious as I am working on a BLDC controller project using that part. Thanks!

So, was just watching harmless farmer here on the tube, you should check him out mr AvE, and just jumping over to your vid i was really suprised to see hands suddenly. I was giggeling for myself and my girl asked what was so funny, and i told her i was just imagininining AvE doing a boltr with his toes 😂 anyway, nice vid, always learning something here 😀

Yes! A fuel ...let the dirty secrets out.....Thank You for your content

The vias under the chip could be for interference suppression -- having a solid ground plane makes good protection but increases capacitance. Having the vias reduces that capacitance and probably increases emc compliance.

Them gears brobably also help reduce the rattleness of the saw so it don't shake as much front and backawards