I was a LEO in Florida in the 90's, body armor was thicker and heavier than today. I used to carry instant ice packs with me. In heat that was 90+ degrees with 90+ humidity, I pop an ice pack, drop it between the front pad and my chest and the ice pack would last 15 to 20 minutes. It wasn't comfortable but I believe it saved me from heat stroke several times.

@ThatNightShiftNinja

Жыл бұрын

Body armor didn’t really get comfortable until probably the last 10 years. And even at that rate, comfort is subjective. On the job, I don’t care I’m wearing it. In a SHTF scenario I can be a little more selective. And yeah, it’s still hot.

My plate carrier runs lvl 3+ plates 10*12, 3 mags, a admin pouch, backpack made for the carrier and a Cold Steel recon tanto. 15lbs total. Still heavy but doable. 6' 200lbs and 16% bf.

Fair and to the point video. Thanks brother. Greetings from the Czech republic.

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir

I have a carrier, but it’s coming in at about 27 pounds, so I’ve been looking at a rig. Trying to get the best of both worlds. Also, thank you for your service, sir!

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

Good luck at this point. Everything is scarce. I can get lighter plates through department buy, but I'd rather spend my money on food and ammo.

I have two main Battle Rattle setups. I have a 1950s H suspenders attached to a Condor gun belt with a mix of MOLLE and ALICE pouches attached to it. And a small chest rig that will accept my level 3 dynema 3.5 Lb Front plate and will carry a minimum of either two 33 round Carbine Glock mags or two 30 rd AR mags and two Glock Pistol mags and IFAK kit and essential tools as a Medic that I sewed up. I’m a Cold War Vet and was military Medic and registered EMT before I became a respiratory therapist for 40 years. A few surgeries and herniated disks have slowed me up but I’m not out of the fight just yet. My DIY chest rig allows me to carry a back pack with Bump Helmet and supplies to keep other guys in the fight and to treat the wounded. It also carries my water and a nylon rain jacket. So depending on my circumstances or role either setup will work. Unless pinned down or assaulting a position, two mags at the ready and one in the gun is plenty. More can be carried by my butt pack or back pack. Either setup allows me to scale up. In the medic role or in and out of vehicle for self protection my folding Keltec Carbine has a one point sling attachment at the butt of the stock to a D ring on the right shoulder strap and can be carried folded to allow me access to caring for my patients or Getting in or out of a vehicle, or it can be unfolded and ready for use. I have a similar one point attachment to the right shoulder on my 1950s LCE Suspenders for the AR. The benefits being less crap around my neck, quick disconnect or reconnect, and no getting smacked in the nuts with a traditional one point sling. The suspenders and belt setup is for a full combat load out. The DIY light chest rig for medic support role. I liked your video. Going lighter is better, or at the very least repositioning the kit into first, second, or third line carry . There are no complete solutions in life, just trade offs. We can’t carry everything for every situation or at all times. We go to fight with what we have, not what we wished we had.

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

Well, you're hired. Where'd you find the dynema plates and what was the cost. They could definitely change my mind on the use of armor all of the time. At least I'm not the only one that isn't single point sling friendly. My nuts say no to them as well.

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

This is a thinking man's game

Thank you for explaining.

@ThatNightShiftNinja

3 жыл бұрын

You're very welcome

I have that same condor chest rig but in black, I got it just for a weekend training deal ,not excepting it to hold up and 5yrs later it is still going. As my body armor goes mine is almost the same set up. I also have a recon set up. Your thinking is on point with the use of that gear. Good to see you back.

@ThatNightShiftNinja

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. That condor rig has held up great for me. Not a big fan of the steel plates though.

@mountainghost556

4 жыл бұрын

@@ThatNightShiftNinja I don't care for them either but you don't have to handle them with kid gloves like C-rams, they are the best option for people that don't get resupplied, and the only way to tell if the C-rams have compromising cracks or fissures is actually getting them x-rayed. With that said steel plates are unforgiving task masters lol.

@ThatNightShiftNinja

4 жыл бұрын

And don't forget that ceramic plates are super expensive.

@mountainghost556

4 жыл бұрын

@@ThatNightShiftNinja They are expensive.

The instagram crowd tends to group think on what is "needed". Ill keep my PC for static defense. Always looking out for lighter level 3 or 4 plates as technology and finances improve tho. The chest rig Ive owned for a decade is still around and it looks just like yours. Its light and hell yes I can move real fast with it. Thanks for sharing. Subbed yo

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the sub. I've been a busy at work and shallow on content.

@tangomantactical

Жыл бұрын

@EventHorizon my son is a MARINE stationed at Camp Pendelton. He is in electronics. I'm proud of him. He crushed the crucibel. Boot had dark days in Paris Island. 1yr and he's a E3. Thank you for your service. I have 2 rigs myself. Static and mobile. Check into SRT plates from Tacticon Armament. Us made and 5yr warranty. It will take up to 6 green tips, 4 AKrds and will.also take a .308(but not NIJ rated for that, 3lbs)

@ThatNightShiftNinja

Жыл бұрын

Semper Fi to your son! Damn I didn’t realize how old this video was.

I have a plate carrier that has 3a soft armor in it, I can take my level 4 plates out as needed for mission specific but still have 3a armor. My wife has a chest rig. Just my set up. And when my wife is not doing anything or homesteading I can use the chest rig.

Wow, common sense. Glad to see it’s still available, good job!

Best advice! Train in what gear you have and wear! Here in Texas! Its bloody hot! With that being said! I wear the full battle rattle! We're ready for what comes our way! TMD! OLS! Come and take it!

I love my condor chest rig and it goes over my soft armor nicely.

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

I wear soft armor daily. It's not exactly combat capable. But it does have it's merits.

@JohnDoe-ud2cc

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThatNightShiftNinja yes soft armor does nothing against rifle threats, but it will stop all pistol and shotgun rounds. Everything is a gamble and there are trade offs for everything. It is lighter, more comfortable, and generally covers more surface area than hard armor. It’s conceal ability is also a huge plus. For instance, economic collapse leaving civil unrest and you need to go out for supplies. Throw on a concealable vest and a concealed handgun, and you would be fairly adequate

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

I'm well aware of the capabilities of soft armor. Cruise around the channel and you'll understand. Each has its merit, figure out what works best for you and train train train.

I run ceramic level 3 plates that are curved. They weigh 3.3 lbs a piece. I run three mags on a placard, and one in each front side of the cummerbund. I have an admin pouch in front of the mags on the placard, an IFAK in front of a mag in the front of one side of my cummerbund, and a radio pouch in front of the mag in the other front side of my cummerbund. I run a small dangler in the front, and a Camelbak system clipped to the back for 3 liters. My radio is a small, multi band, digital data packet setup, that is cabled to a foldable antenna located on the back of the rig. It is also cabled to an FCS V20 PTT, and a set of FCS AMPS headset. The whole loaded setup comes in at just over 22 lbs, minus water. I wore a lot of gear for 25 years as a former police officer, so I'm kind of used to it. I just feel like an Umpa Lumpa after many hours in it. LOL Nice video. Thanks.

Each has their PRO’s and CON’s but regardless it’s better to have both or one of the 2 because better to have some form of organization instead of carrying mags in your pockets!

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

The way I see it, it's mission specific.

@jbazan11

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThatNightShiftNinja agreed! 👍

The carrier itself only weighs a pound or less. It all depends on the quality of your plates. The more protection the heavier, unless you spend more. To get lightweight level 3+ plates will cost more but to have a full carrier with 3+ protection and under 12lbs... worth every penny.

Good vid!

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Good talk!

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir.

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

I knew I recognized that name from somewhere.

Crazy heat, we should get together one day man. Long overdue.

@ThatNightShiftNinja

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely when it cools down a little. Between the heat and humidity its brutal around here.

Just spend more and plates that aren’t made of steel and all the sudden the weight drops significantly.

Good stuff think about using those steel plates for target practice and getting some light level4 composite or ceramic plates they get down to like a pound and change a pop now

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

Ceramic is on my to do list once the truck is paid off in April. Thanks for the watch and Happy New Year!

@matthillis3689

2 жыл бұрын

I know how it is brother it a constant progression ever evolving keep at man happy new years. Salute

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

Tonight I party, tomorrow back at it.

Ive bin using a PC for a long time and its great, gives me the protection that i need and is great for some uses. But! The one thing i dont like about a PC is not the weight, its that it aint easy using it with a backpack. If you have an shtf situation and you need to get out. The best way i can think is, combine a CR with a backpack... you can take the backpack off to take the stuff you need, without taken of you CR.... its easier to carry. Also if you with some people. You can move them to a save location, take the backpack of and go and scout the area and moving faster. In my opinion, the one thing that makes the PC superior is the protection it gives. It al comes to the context.... just my opinion....

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Context and intended use. What most people forget or don't realize about plates is that the badasses wearing them are getting a ride to where they're going. There's no way I'd hump a pack wearing plates for an extended period. Hell, I don't even think I'd do it for a limited run. My Marine days are long over and I just can't see myself in a situation where I'd want a pack and plates as an armed prepared citizen.

Take into account that we will most likely not have a constant resupply like the military did. They don't have issues of carrying a half a ton of gear because they can leave it in the vehicle. And they will dump off ammo when needed.

@ThatNightShiftNinja

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

Big believer in SHTF I rather travel light and far than die of exhaustion and over heat. I live in Arizona.

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

All about personal preference. As long as you understand rule number one is to not be shot, and you have a place for ammo and medical.

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

Some folks don't, which is why....well you get the picture.

@jadedclone6728

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThatNightShiftNinja yes indeed. Good to have people like you spreading the good word. There are things people just don't think about when not having been exposed to it. Believe it or not, all this information will save someone in the future. I firmly believe in that.

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

I hope so. It's all info I wish I had when I was getting started so I figured maybe I should do that service for someone else.

True for home invasion,burglar PlateCarrier is feasable as you are not running around, you only securing bedroom with wife and kids until help arrives.

Water is 8lbs/gallon.

@ThatNightShiftNinja

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I can never remember that when I have to.

Is the weight justified? I think it depends on the environment. A lot of preppers get plate carriers just because they feel cool. You can get hit in the femoral artery on your thigh and that extra weight and restricted mobility carried all for nothing. In Vietnam they didn't carry plates and killed a ton of VC. It's the tactitards that push the plates. It's not practical unless you're kicking in doors doing direct action raids. Home defender and prepper won't be raiding Bin Laden's compound. Great video my friend.

@wdglockandroll

4 жыл бұрын

I have plates and would wear them if needed.

@NYPrepper

4 жыл бұрын

@@wdglockandroll They definitely work, but depends on the mission. I think a lot of preppers get them it gives a false sense of security. You can get hit in the femoral artery or your arm or neck and bleed out just as bad as heart or lung shot.

@ThatNightShiftNinja

4 жыл бұрын

Well duh, they're not a force field. Of course you can get hit in other places. Unless you have one of those huge ballistic shields in your carrier. Then you could be a man-tank. In all seriousness, they have their place and their roll. The armor thing came up briefly in the last NFAC video i I did. You further illustrated my point as to why they have their place. Hell, you're a power lifter. Imagine having an extra 23 pounds on you before you start doing anything. Plus the extra heat. No thanks.

@ThatNightShiftNinja

4 жыл бұрын

It gives a legitimate sense of security for the areas it covers. Im just not convinced the extra weight is worth it. I think I'd rather just be a bit more mobile.

@NYPrepper

4 жыл бұрын

@@ThatNightShiftNinja great minds think alike...an extra 23 pounds doesn't sound like much but it adds up over time and distance. Weight and heat aside it reduces mobility like you said especially once you have all the gear attached.

Nothing teaches you about heat casualty like being about to pass out during an exercise at Campbell by yourself in a 200° portapotty. I refused to let myself tell the cadre what was going on and was trying to grind it out and ended up forcibly ejecting both ends while my entire body cried out in agony. Imagine the worst hangover but you can't breathe and there are ants in your veins 😆 great vid bro

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a blast

@jaganshi5444

2 жыл бұрын

In myriad ways hahahaha

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

Eh...no more than Parris Island

@jaganshi5444

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThatNightShiftNinja at least I had a portajohn, I was working as a contractor lol. Semper Fi Devil Dog, had quite a few of your guys on the team and have huge respect

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy. We're a special kind of crazy 🤪

Vest saved my life several years ago.

@ThatNightShiftNinja

4 жыл бұрын

Different type of vest though I bet. I didn't want to get into ballistic vests other than as a mention.

@wdglockandroll

4 жыл бұрын

@@ThatNightShiftNinja Soft body armor, when I was on patrol. They put steel strike plates over your heart back then. Guy tried driving a railroad spike throught my heart. I won.

@ThatNightShiftNinja

4 жыл бұрын

DAMN! My spike plate is some kind of polymer. I remember the old steel ones. I think i still have 1 somewhere.

@wdglockandroll

4 жыл бұрын

@@ThatNightShiftNinja My last vest just had an extra square of kevlar over the heart.

@ThatNightShiftNinja

4 жыл бұрын

I have one of those plates as well. Supposedly they work just as well. Hopefully I won't find out.

Grunt Proof has a video on a chest rig where he thinks that they were overloaded in Afghanistan. From what little research I have done that is a good claim.

@ThatNightShiftNinja

Жыл бұрын

Without even watching it I tend to agree. Those boys were loaded heavy. I kinda like to keep it light and minimal myself.

Semper Fi

@ThatNightShiftNinja

Жыл бұрын

Rah!

I have steel plates. I wouldn’t use them, just way too heavy. Someone could probably run up and push my ass over with all that on.

Why not get a light soft plate carrier In which provides more protection than the chest Rig?

@ThatNightShiftNinja

Жыл бұрын

I wear 3A at work all night. Doesn’t stop rifle. And not as mobile as you’d think.

You can wear both.

The Russian-Ukrainian war shows the importance of heavy protection when it comes to artillery fires from your enemy.

@ThatNightShiftNinja

Жыл бұрын

That it does. It also shows what lack of air power does for your advance.

See a MP Photo back there? 21 years K-9 Of the troops for the troops

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

Nope. I was never an MP. Just a grunt. If I had it to do over again, maybe.

Can I ask, did you buy that house from a guy named John?

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

Nope. Why?

I choose rig over plates. The rabbit wins the race in the real world.

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

True story. But this rabbit isn't planning on racing anyway. In all seriousness though, I'd consider plates in certain scenarios, just not all scenarios. Equipment is always mission sensitive.

Depends Definitely on mission

yeah id rather rock plates in shtf, first off leaving your house would be a death mission for the most part, you don’t know where one could be set up shop waiting for their next resupply. so traveling far would be stupid. also plates are a great lvl of protection ,shit a cop saved her ass a few weeks back down the street from my house because she had on her plate carrier , and these is not trained shooters aiming center mass, these is kids i use to go to school with probably high off a perk 10 lmao

@ThatNightShiftNinja

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like SHTF in your neighborhood already bro

I'm an 11b, I'm 25, I can run 5 miles in my carrier loaded with gear in 40 minutes, so my perspective is different, I have a ferro slickster + lvl 4 cramics. I also keep my personal gear on on a condor cheat rig, but I have the one without the mag pouches as I run an AK, my stuff comes in at 20lbs with 100oz of water in my hydropak. The hard armor is 100% worth it. Don't buy steel plates, please. Ceramic armor Is infinity better than steel, spalling and back face deformation

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't actually buy the steel armor. Like I said, it was a freebie. I'd still rather be mobile in the space and armored when static. While I understand your preference, that's still what it is. Maybe if I was 25 again I'd think differently, but 25 was a long time ago.

@flavortown3781

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThatNightShiftNinja no I understand that, but you can get very good ceramics now for very good prices, L210 hesco plates come to mind, they are cheaper than 1000 rounds of 9mm rn.

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

My smartass response is everything is cheaper than 1k rounds of 9mm now. My legitimate response is that it's on my radar.

@flavortown3781

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThatNightShiftNinja they will stop m193 and m855 if it's the steel core and not tungsten. They are a special threat rated plate and won't stop 7.62 black tip or x54r

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

54r is the least of my worries

7.62x39 or 7.62x51 (.308 Win [Yes, I know it is a hotter round]) rated?

@ThatNightShiftNinja

Жыл бұрын

It’s rated for 7.62x51

@Fer-De-Lance

Жыл бұрын

@@ThatNightShiftNinja Thank you sir.

Take the Steel out of your Carrier, Or Buy Safe Life Defence Soft Armour to your Carrier ....

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

Actually Safe Life makes really nice stuff. My issue soft vest is Safe Life.

Arent 3 rifle mags too little? Or you carry more on a belt?

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

It's a subjective answer. Basically it depends on what I'm doing.

@sbura_

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThatNightShiftNinja of course it's mission dependent, but could you give an example of a mission set where carrying 3 mags is ideal?

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

I did in the video. When I'm doing a static security detail or a vehicle borne.

@ThatNightShiftNinja

2 жыл бұрын

I don't mean to be snarky, but I did mention several instances in the video where the specific setup would be ideal. Honestly that video is a year plus old. But I can think of any number of instances where having 3 rifle magazines on my person is suitable. Hell maybe even 2. I guess I could address that as a separate topic in a separate video.

@sbura_

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThatNightShiftNinja but in veichle borne ops will you always be able to reach the resupply point (veichle)? For example if you dismount and get into vegetation or buildings and are in a firefight will you get out of your postions and run back to grab mags? (That's more for military operations than shtf)