BMW R1200GS Staying or Going? I reveal the TOUGH decision.
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I was in the same boat, with my 2013 Triumph Explorer. She is in immaculate condition but 61000kms. I am keeping her as well. Not worth throwing $$$ just to get the latest bike. Trying to be grateful for what I have.
At almost 71, I also have "old man syndrome" and also still appreciate the distractions when out riding. I've made my RS's mileage lessen by adding 2 BMW's and 2 RE's. All different rides, styles, and $$. They should all outlast me and will be going to new homes when I'm either too old to ride or not around. Planning ahead is a great idea. Planning on enjoying riding for as long as possible. An old guy that still thinks young. Just don't look in mirrors. LOL.
@Achilles22
2 ай бұрын
I have a R1250RS and love the shift cam engine I’m 68! Hip starting to limit my journeys! The only trouble with keeping your bike is the repair bills that mount up.Its the same with a car that you keep too long. I lease my cars now and change every 3 years, much cheaper and less hassle.
@fuglbird
2 ай бұрын
You are only 71. The RE's will be gone when you are 86. Maybe your BMW's will make it. We'll see. I bet on you!
@fuglbird
2 ай бұрын
@@Achilles22 I'm 66 and try to keep my repair bills down by having a Japanese bike.
Only 8 years old, when i bought my street triple i have a 16 year old fz1, people asked if i was trading it in, no im going to do it up as its got way too many memories attached while it took me all over europe its pretty much one of the family. Its also never put a foot wrong in its 40k miles. A good service and a clean is all she needs. Good to see you keep the old girl.
I used to be a 3 year guy, and then I grew up, back in '15 I purchased a new ZZR14, which I still have, its still immaculate (although probably worth bugger all now) and it '19 I bought a Triumph Thruxton, which I still have. Great decision Dave, absolutely no shame in not having the latest big thing. 😊
Rarely a day goes by when I am not dreaming of a different bike! However. I know my HD Low Rider is all and more than I need. Besides, I love her too much! Good ride and chat, thanks.
Had the same dilemma. Keeping my 2016 GSA LC with now 50.000 km. Do maintenance myself. Using the bike just for holiday/ camping (2 up). Only a light/ canbus failure last year. Awesome bike. Not needing the “new” stuff.
Good decision Dave, I've got a 13 plate GS the first of the water cooled. It's now done 35k and it rides like new, I've thought about upgrading myself but can't justify it at the moment. I bought the carpuride W702 good bit of kit makes the dash look alot more modern and it keeps your phone safe in your pocket. Nice update Dave 👍
Ahhh how I do enjoy your ramblings. I used to be exactly the same, but ever since getting my 2017 FJR I haven't felt that urge to change bikes in over 5 years. We've had some epic moments together now with my partner, such as riding to the Arctic circle, or down to the Adriatic Coast. Even our Wild Atlantic Way tour a few years back. I hope Black Beauty ends up being "the one". Until next time mate. Ride safe!
@WheelieGoodTV
2 ай бұрын
Thanks mate, I'd love to hook up with you man. We have an awful lot in common!
@VRFlightSimGuy
2 ай бұрын
@@WheelieGoodTVWe really need to make that happen!
Sir you made the right choice. Any bike that you own for any length of time and it STILL makes you say "AMAZING" is worthy of a cozy spot in your garage! Love the videos thank you for the uploads while I have my coffee!
Good decision Dave! I always changed my bike every 2 years until I got the GSA. Now in its 3rd year and still loving it. It’s 37c in Turkey so might stay another week as the pool is 32c and so inviting. The only downside is I don’t have my GSA🤣
Well Dave , you.ve thought long and hard about changing the GS for something shinyer ,,, But imo you have made the right choice with all the work and upgrades you’ve made on the GS . Nothing rides better than a boxer twin , and yous in pristine condition and will serve you well for many years to come 👍🙋🏻♂️👏🕺🫡
@WheelieGoodTV
2 ай бұрын
See you soon bud.
We think the same always thinking the next bike will be a keeper well I have done it again traded in my 13 month old Harley which I never felt comfortable on and brought a BMW GS1300 Trophy number 26 bike I have owned at the age of 61 it will be my last bike: I have owned a GS1250 in the past so I know how good the Gs bikes are.
Glad your keeping it Dave like the vfr enjoy it Look after it make it your own. That 20,000 you've saved will fund a life time of servicing maintenance and fuel. Till it too becomes a classic. a one owner classic. I'm sure you will find other shinny trinkets along the way for distraction. All the best 👍👍👍
Bought 2017 gsa happy with it except for excess noise coming from the front. Longer rides take my big Harley ,better wind protection and more comfortable for big trips here in Canada. 😎🏍💨💨💨💨💨👍🏻🇨🇦🍻
I’ve gone through multiple cars but still have my ‘05 1200GS. It’s awesome, relatively simple and barely cracks 500lbs. The Boxer is so balanced at very low speeds and the torque will tug you up any technical hill at 2500rpm lol. Any my old GS buddy bought a Vstrom 650 a while back. It’s been cheap and economical but the quality is really lacking of course. Enjoy the ride!
Alright, Dave, right decision, me and you have had very similar love for bikes. I originally subbed to you back in the FJR days. i had a Vfr 800 and was looking at the FJRs, i went with a 2013 Gs after, that blue me away, this year after an issue with the shocks i traded in the 2013 for a 2021 1250 gs, i have to say its an unbelievable bike but the shock factor i got from the 2013 model i just haven't had. Its a lot of money spent for a very similar bike to the 2013 models, all be it with a few more bells and whistles. Hope this helps someone else thinking of changing 👍
@WheelieGoodTV
2 ай бұрын
A very honest report there. Thanks for sharing. 👌
Brave man, with that choice. Since I returned to biking in 2018, I have had seven bikes (only ever two-at-a-time) as I tried to find a happy combination. Very sensible to stick with what you have when it does the job. Think about the money you are saving - for a future bike! Currently have a Kawasaki Z900RS for whipping about and looking cool (ish) and an R1250GS Exclusive for longer rides - like the week in Ireland I had last month. Keep up the good work.
Good on ya Dave. You love that bike, you'd miss it if you sold it. Look forward to getting out on a trip with you and the mighty GS and some point.
Hi best decision to keep it I have the same bike 2016 triple black I love it I have the same addition and thoughts but nothing is better I call mine my forever bike Wayne from New Zealand
It is easy to convince ourselves that the grass is greener when thinking of new bikes. However when you give it a lot of thought and ask yourself some probing questions about what the real benefits will be and most importantly answer honestly to yourself you will come to the conclusion most of the time that any benefit is Likely to be tiny but the cost of change very high.
Can't fault you Dave. I tend to opt for one do-it-all stalwart bike and keep it longer, and your others can be your fun, novelty bikes, and probably swap them more often. I also put the small bar risers on mine because of some slight tension in the shoulders on a long run, and now I never seems to be an issue so i guess that slight tweek must have worked.
Great choice Dave. In my experience and many past bikes very varied. I don’t think I would go past a gs even with some of the costs involved. I’d love to upgrade to a newer model but for now my older gs1200 I’m more than happy with. In my travels I spoke to a guy recently with almost 110k miles just back from a euro trip to me that says it all. Stay safe out there.
@WheelieGoodTV
2 ай бұрын
Wow, that’s a good endorsement. 👌🏍️🔥😉
Definitely the right choice. Must admit from having my heart set on a 1300GSA I'm getting the feeling for keeping my 1250GSA mainly because I'm starting to think the 1300 is too dependent on technology more so than before and we all know the potential for 'features' that are possibly still undiscovered as per previous models (thanks to the Bean Counters) plus the mind numbing jumps in the price across all the BMW range. I'm fortunate that money is not the problem as I've already got that covered but I'm just reluctant to part with it for something that does appear that it will appeal to my riding style or be a significant step change. Saying all this I still prefer to ride my 2013 last of the oil cooled 1200GSAs. Once a Luddite always a Luddite. 😉
@WheelieGoodTV
2 ай бұрын
I could have written this mate. Exactly my sentiment.
Great decision Dave, 19 Plate 1250 GSA 56,578 miles here, keeper. Saving the PX money on trips and memories. Just had my shocks done by T Tech suspension.
Nice video Dave. I’m in a similar situation as you, I have a 2014 GS and have toyed with upgrading it. But I still think it is so good, especially for longer trips. Plus, the price of newer models these days is insane 😮
I laughed so much at your musings. Apart from the accent, You sound just like the many discussions I have had with myself. I too own a 2016 Triple Black and absolutely love this bike. I had thought of upgrading to the new GS, buy in my opinion BMW have totally lost the plot with the meaning of the new model GS ( now the R1300R is about to launch , you can't tell the difference in the two bikes). I also have spent a fair chunk of money morphing my GS into exactly what I wanted , and any money I spend on it now is still a better option for me than changing to another bike and starting to shape it into exactly what I have now. I am pretty sure this will be the last bike I own.......... until I am looking for a mobility scooter !
@WheelieGoodTV
Ай бұрын
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You could get an amazing deal on a late 1250gs used if you go through the bm dealer in uk at least they all come with 2 year warranty on the used bikes
Just upgraded to the last of the GS1200 With tft screen, from an S1000XR, I've managed around 800 miles in 2 weeks already, I can already see I'll be keeping the GS for a while a good call, I've also just fitted the Carpuride w702B, great bit of kit, I've just moved on my VFR VTEC, so another second bike incoming, enjoying your videos.
@jonno94
2 ай бұрын
How are you getting on with the GS after the XR? I'm struggling to decide between the last of the GS1200's like yours or an early GS1250 with (shift cam) which i'm usnure about long term reliability. I current own a Tracer 900, which has been bomb proof reliable over 8yrs of ownership, so very skeptical, but after riding a GS i know it's the bike i want next.
@PeakMotoHiker
2 ай бұрын
@@jonno94 pretty much what you just said, my thoughts was a higher miles early 1250 or a low miles last of the 1200s and probably sorted
@jonno94
2 ай бұрын
@@PeakMotoHiker Yeah kinda how i was thinking, it also the 1200's seem to have had fewer owners than the younger 1250, which is a bit of a concern.
Just recently fitted the Carpuride to my 1200GSA great bit of kit .
@WheelieGoodTV
2 ай бұрын
Yes I’ve had it for a month now. I’ve also been testing the CHIGEE system so both reviews are coming soon. 👌🏍️
Hi Dave,Google a guy called mfm detailing he’s up the road from me here in Meath,he mainly just does ceramic coating on bikes….he does amazing work as you’ll see from the Google reviews and pictures👌🏻 You made the right decision in keeping your gs,it’s a beautiful bike and after all the work and trips you’ve made on her it would be sad seeing it go to another owner that mightn’t look after it as good as you have!
@WheelieGoodTV
2 ай бұрын
Thanks and yes it is in with MFM. Looking forward to seeing the finished product. No doubt there’ll be a video about it. 🤣👌
@Eirehunter22
2 ай бұрын
Do make a video on it Dave it would be great for anyone that also wants there bike detailing done…not that many good companies doing it in Ireland specifically for bikes 👍🏼
Well done you, I’m exactly the same, as are most of us if truth be known, always wanting and thinking I need the shiny new model bike, and have this year done the rounds, 1300GS, Triumph 900 pro, and in my old age a R1250RT, so don’t do yourself down. but I really love my now 11 year old Multistrada, so many great memories on it, so she’s also staying…oh and ps I’ve now subscribed!
I bought a 2018 1200 GSA last year, the one that already comes with the TFT screen and I love it. The TFT screen makes a BIG difference for me on how much more I like the bike. It is a big quality of life improvement. Funny thing is since I bought mine the price on the used market is going up. The only advice I have for you is to check if you want to replace yours with one that comes with the TFT as well and perhaps less milleage. The cost might not be worth it though. In Portugal the 1200GS Adventure with TFT is around €18k~21k and the non TFT can be €15k. Big difference but it will allways dependend on the local market. Maybe you can do a testride on one with the TFT screen, see how you feel about it and evaluate if it is worth it. Greetings from PT
Good decision ! I have a 2011 GS, the last of the air/oil cooled engines, 51K, which I have done all those miles, 1000 miles last week to Skye, 4000miles last winter to Spain, and the same the winter before, no problems. Had ESA problems at 35K, fixed for £600. Just keep fixing it, still cheaper than replacing the bike. And mine weighs less than a RE Super Meteor. The new one is too expensive and you cannot use all that power in the UK anymore. I will only replace mine due to emissions, it likes 98 Octane, (will run on less, but doesn’t like it so much). And 98 is getting fewer everywhere, even in France. If only BMW would bring out a GS with the engine in the R12 nine T, I would snap that up.
Now then sir here's a story I have exactly the same bike only 8 thousand miles and its prestine was in the same frame of mind took a triumph 1200 gt pro out like it did the deal both bikes side by side and I couldn't let her go cancelled the deal and fell back in love with her there is nothing better and I don't know why I'm looking so you have made the right decision what about that then !!!!! Keep up the good work love your posts ian
Hi, I'm in the same dilemma at the moment. My 2018 gsa is currently in Preston BMW having the front suspension changed, not 18 months since the rear let me down!! I really fancy down sizing or maybe that's down 'expensing' to the new 450 Himalayan. It's a lot of bike to give up and I'm hoping I'll fall back in love with her when I finally get her back. Going into limp mode on a Scottish island for a suspension fault is something I don't want to experience again. Thankfully my very good friend rode home then drove back in his van to recover me. I would recommend a fuel map 'remap' I had mine done about 15000 miles ago and it transformed the smoothness of the engine and gets rid of the flat spot at 5000 rpm. Maybe if I keep her and the suspension goes again in the future, there might be the option to convert the suspension to a non dynamic set up. It's funny you mention cheating on her' I feel the same! Good content, new sub👍
@WheelieGoodTV
2 ай бұрын
Wow, we have experienced very similar experiences there. I’m still enjoying the new found love affair but will be putting her through another test when I travel to the ABR festival on her. Thanks for subbing. 🙏
Hi Dave. I have a 2019 GS and, while it’s been a great bike, I have always considered myself to be ‘between Africa Twin’s’. Until last weekend! I was cleaning the bike and I had an epiphany. I realised that I actually love it. It easily does everything I need, looks great and is reliable, comfortable and cheap to run. I’ve decided that she’s a keeper and I’m no longer between Africa Twins.
@allanhughes7859
2 ай бұрын
HONESTLY ARE YOU BEING HONEST ??????????????? A RELIABLE 1200 G.S. REALLY ??????????????
@MrTeriyakiman
2 ай бұрын
@@allanhughes7859 it’s one of the early 1250’s. It had the fuel pump replaced at the first service, under warranty. I didn’t know there was a problem but it showed up on the diagnostic. And it’s had 3 sets of tyres and that’s it. Just coming up on 24k miles, a fair few of which were off road.
Hello Dave. I support your decision. I think it’s great. I can’t understand the constant need to change bikes especially when you have a great bike. When I say I don’t understand it I mean lots of it comes from just a marketing push by the bike companies. There are few badly made bikes these days. There may be a bike that’s not right for you but the bike itself is good. So once you find and buy a bike that’s right for you only thing left to do is ride. I recently sold and bought a new bike. The bike I sold I love and still love but it was not right for me so I replaced it with a bike more fitting for my style of riding
Nice video and chat Dave as ever 👍. When i was out on my bike recently i got chatting to another biker, who told me he was 81, had been riding all his life and had just bought a V Strom. Oh and he was heading off on a 2 week trip on his new bike !!..there's hope for us all. Cheers Steve 💚
@WheelieGoodTV
2 ай бұрын
I hope I’m doing that at 81. 😮💨🏍️
I've a 2002 ZX6R, rides like new and I'm keeping her. Nice video, think I'll pop out on the bike now for a coffee.
Hi Dave, I've a 2016 GS and it's a great bike. Due to the cam shaft issues that can affect the 1200.s I was thinking of trading mine in 2021. Long story short I fixed my bike and got a new Tiger Sport 660 as that was a cheaper option than trading up to a 2 year old 1250. I'll keep my GS till I can't ride it. I think you've made the right choice, but TBH I've previous form for keeping bikes as I've a 19 year old TDM I use the way you use the VFR. Great video, cheers Tom.
I used to have a triple black GS like that from 2016 to 2020. Sold it then to go electric with Energica. Back on a similar R1200 R now. I wouldn't sell the GS, you'll regret it. Get something cheap/old/different besides this instead. And replace the spoke wheels with lighter cast wheels and remove those useless crash bars if you keep it anyway😊
Great video Dave, I'm glad to hear that you are keeping the GS as after spending all that money on repairs, it would be a shame not to get more enjoyment from it. It could be a permanent keeper and an interesting long term project for the channel 👍. Also it was interesting to hear your local dealer is in Kells, which is where my Grandad's family, on my Mom's side) are from! I haven't been there since I was a child of eight so it must have changed so much in fifty years.
Personally I think you’ve made the right decision Dave, I’ve a 2014 1200 LC and have no desire to move it on as it does all I’ll ever want to do.
Great video. Love your honesty on bike weight. It’s a major turn off for older riders. bikes should be lighter as tech improves. 💪💪
Hi Dave. Love the videos. I have a 2018 GS1200 TE albeit with the LCD dash and would not change it for the world. It’s everything I ever need and want. I honestly think you made the correct decision 👍
@WheelieGoodTV
2 ай бұрын
Thanks William. I feel content……at the moment!🤣👌
We all get distracted by that sort of caper from time to time David!
@WheelieGoodTV
2 ай бұрын
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Great decision Dave, or the more sensible one 😁 it's a gorgeous bike and will put plenty of more smiles on your face. Met a fella on a 1300GS on the ferry and he was telling me all about his bike and about the carpureride thingy that he had installed. Will be interesting to hear what you think about it 👍
Can relate to the struggle Currently pondering the same with my 2012 gs Rallye I’ve decided If you don’t regret buying it you’re going to regret selling it! 🤷♂️
@WheelieGoodTV
2 ай бұрын
True words.👌
Yes a correct decision,the current price of some models of BMW.are simply taken the piss.
Sounds like a 1250 GSA is in order 😄😁. But I think your right about not getting the 1300. many are having issues with the new bike. Teething pains. But there are many that dont have any issues with the new 1300. I guess time will tell.
There. Subscribed just because of stelvio review!
@WheelieGoodTV
Күн бұрын
@@doctorstrangelove8587 very kind mate. Welcome aboard 👌🙏👊🏻
If you're confident in the bike and can keep on top of maintaining it, good decision. I too have spent huge money chopping and changing but there are some cracking older bikes if you can live without all the clever modern tech. Ps the Africa Twin is a fine machine but in my opinion isnt in the same class as the GS but if it was shaft drive that could bump it up quite a few notches...
@WheelieGoodTV
2 ай бұрын
I agree about the shaft drive. 👌🏍️
Good decision, too easy to get rapt up with the latest and greatest, only to find out that it not worth the extra money to replace a perfectly good bike. Save your money for more trips and projects in our viewing future.
Great decision Dave ,although your Mrs will just spend it all now if your not! ☹️🤣👍 When you'd said it was going to be 20k Euros + your R1200 to swap,I personally thought I'd just keep the GS & buy another smaller GS & you'd still be happy & betrer off I bet! 😬👍 Hopefully catch up with you if your over for the ABR! 😎✌️
Damn that is down to earth. I want a bike that maybe 32000 but this bike maybe worth 12000. Everyone knows your dilemma. This bike just doesn’t have every bell and whistle so I am thinking of upgrading. But no, this bike serves its purpose untill when? I’m glad you have enough money to entertain these ideas. But 95% of your viewers can’t do this. Missedin Flyer goes through bikes like an afterthought. Hardly understanding most of their audience who can’t indulge the resources to change bikes when the want. Bikers on YT generally don’t appeal to everyday life.
Glad you are keeping the 1200GS & I also love the looks of the triple black. Nice looking bike jacket you were wearing today! Another very good video...thank you!
@WheelieGoodTV
2 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching mate. 🙏
Always enjoy your vids...ride safe👍
You literally rode past the house I owned at the end of Port Beach just before you get to Port Oriel/Clogherhead. 😂😂
@WheelieGoodTV
2 ай бұрын
Gorgeous over there!
Great Vid Dave had I known I would have met you for coffee I do not live far away from that beach. I cycle those roads. I am with you on keeping the Gs, I have 2017 GSA and TBH like you considered a change to A 1250 but the cost not worth it. I cannot even exploit what I have so would only changing colour and reg. could you please post up who you get to do the Ceramic coating in ireland. I will think I might treat mine to a bit of Pampering, keep up the vids and I am a subby 😂
@WheelieGoodTV
2 ай бұрын
Thanks John. Yes I have it booked in with MFM detailing in County Meath. People say he’s a magician. 🙏
Got the same age gs myself. Been having the same thoughts and been considering getting a tiger 900 gt Pro.
The Rolling Stones had it right all those years ago. “You can’t always get what you want. Sometimes you get what you need.”
Good call Dave! keep her 😎👍
Good decision Dave, it probably is the most sensible decision. I know what you mean though, I am the same… no sooner do you Change or decide not to change and you our back online looking again 😂
Dave I’m not sure if you’re aware, it appears KZread unsubscribes at random. I have been following you for awhile now and regularly have to resub, I wonder if others are experiencing the same?
@WheelieGoodTV
2 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing this Phil. Actually I’ve heard about this happening on other channels but didn’t know it was happening on mine.
At which point does a bike start become RETRO.... I currently own a Moto Guzzi V85TT. I've put 12000 miles on it in 20mths. I'm about to do 3000 miles around Europe (from NI) I intend keeping the Gootsi for a lifetime. I think although there is a period a bike feels dated I think they then start becoming retro looking. Think if you saw an 1150 air cooled GS you'd think that looks cool 😎.. The 1200 will eventually be like an 1150.
How about a Moto Guzzi, for a bit of character. cheaper than some of the options you listed.
I reckon you could just down size to two bikes and still be very happy with just your Street Triple RS and your Honda VFR800. You don't need other bikes. These two would still give you many miles of happy motorcycling. Also they would be much cheaper to run than your GS which sounds like it is now costing you a fortune. You must have money to burn!
I’m surprised that according to yourself and others on YT that BMW’s are problematic after relatively low mileages, especially as they are supposedly designed for long distance touring! Maybe a lot of people buy them for ‘image’ (same with BMW car drivers!). I’d stick with a Honda or other Japanese bike if you want quality and reliability.
I would never ever buy a gas-guzzling monster like the BMW R1200GS. If I had one I would probably sell it and get a 650 something. If you can afford the petrol, keep it. It's a nice motorcycle. Edit: With all the problems you've had, I would probably sell it. I've had problems with some motorcycles but not as many as you. Get a Japanese motorcycle unless you are loaded.
Hey Dave, I don't own the GS but I had a similar scenario with my 13 year old VFR1200 and like you decided to keep her, yes I also would like all the mod cons but she does it all for me and just can't bring myself to get rid of her, any recommendations on where your getting the GS detailed and coated.
@WheelieGoodTV
2 ай бұрын
Thanks Richard. Yes I’m getting it done with a company called MFM detailing in County Meath.
I just bought a 2018 r1200gs. I think you’ll find nothing rides as well as a GS.
Those are m portaloos at port beach😂
Good video,is that 12grand Euro or pound? Cheers
@WheelieGoodTV
2 ай бұрын
Euro.👌
@Manx1959
2 ай бұрын
@@WheelieGoodTV thank you 👍🇮🇲
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Nice bike, Same as mine, it works for me. Bha a fir chlis, cho breagha.
This is a great decision. I have wasted thousands over the years changing. Keep away from BMW dealers and you can maintain it economically. Some say the GS peaked at the 1200.
@patdwyer6274
2 ай бұрын
I prefer the 1150. More character I think. Also the 1200 handlebars cause my thumbs to ache - weird I know. Must be the angle of the bars.
All bikes are good these days Dave new or old 😀😀😀 are you going the ABR again this year ?
@WheelieGoodTV
2 ай бұрын
Oh yes, I’ll be there in a few weeks time. Highlight of the year for me. 👌🙏
Wrong Decision ...........the bike is 8 years old and you will continue to have things wear out on the bike........... trade it for 1 - 2 year second hand GS
It's Ironic all this changing malarkey is driven by you and TMF who commented below as influencers...LOL and remember all this free kit banded about is paid for by us in the end.