讲实话然哥这两期连着的视频属实有点杀人诛心了，一边是欧盟要对中国车企惩罚性征税，一边是“overcapacity”为中国消费者带来的不止是国产并且包括合资的低廉价格，我只能说这两期视频的每一分每一秒对于欧洲消费者来说都是在补刀

Wow this is just sad for us germans. The i3 starts at 40k €, which is by no means comparable to this electric 3 series. We are so behind

@eden5260

8 күн бұрын

This isn't the 3 series you know not even close . Quality is no more than a VW golf In china for years a good brand badge sold just for face . They sold with bad quality, low equipment and weak engines

@realtissaye

8 күн бұрын

​@@eden5260bro look again at the video

@beaman_2000

8 күн бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠@@eden5260Absolutely u guys deserve better cars and they cost 40k €

@eden5260

8 күн бұрын

@@beaman_2000 you guys means who ? Should I Remind you what's the salary difference between Europe and China ?

@litowsean9724

8 күн бұрын

@@eden5260 Lol even BMW CEO thinks Tiexi BMW factory is the best of BMW and make the best quality BMW, you know better than BMW CEO

Do Europeans and Americans experience heartbreak? Why doesn't the Chinese government impose taxes on these affordable German EVs?

@eden5260

8 күн бұрын

Lmao so much ignorance! As usual They do they absolutely do over a 100% This isn't BMW the one from Bavaria! This is a Chinese BMW 50-50 joint venture BMW by name and design Chinese by anything else from materials to manufacturing to engines / electric platforms So this is a Chinese car ! If it wasn't it would pay 100+% import tax

@zengyixing9701

8 күн бұрын

Because it's a loser in a competitive market, and in China there are too many better competitors at this price point😂

@user-bz9kd5kq9v

8 күн бұрын

because CHINESE GOV just wants his people to have good Cars at good prices.

@nocapproductions5471

8 күн бұрын

China should tax the European cars. As a European I am ashamed that we voted for the import tax.

@eden5260

8 күн бұрын

@@nocapproductions5471 wow you people never stop do you . China has a super high import tax on foreign cars for 20 years ! Stop being stupid

Meanwhile in the US, people can only get a Honda Civic with 24k Euro .

@alfonsotatto8365

8 күн бұрын

Which is far better than this BMW in every aspect.

@darkphoton_15keV

8 күн бұрын

@@alfonsotatto8365 Yea. So much better that only people like you deserve it😉

@nocapproductions5471

8 күн бұрын

​@@alfonsotatto8365what? I drive a Volkswagen because I cannot afford a BMW. Honda is only more reliable than BMW but BMW is much cooler, faster and better looking.

@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl

8 күн бұрын

You can get a Nissan Versa for 18k,amazing Deal!Or how about you go to China and work for $5 a House?

@darkphoton_15keV

8 күн бұрын

@@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl Bravo for comparing Nissan Versa with BMW 3series. FYI, The workers in the car factories in China can afford those entry level cars they build, if not the mid-tier ones. And unlike the US, $5 is enough for three meals in China. How about you go to China and take a look yourself? Or are you too poor to afford an international flight ticket?

What a beautiful car. New petrol 3 series are almost 50 000 euro in Europe lol. This is why competition is so important. China is making such good cars that Euro makers are now stressed and want to lower prices to remain competitive.

@N3verSayN3ver

8 күн бұрын

We europeans will have to pay for the discounts given in China, and when China wants to offer us a cheap EV, the union kicks in and puts tariffs over these cars, anyhow where screwed whatever we do. Only thing left is to boycot these unfair practices, i’ll be keeping my old car thats for sure.

@AdamJRowen

7 күн бұрын

Na, they will call it “over capacity” and prevent it from reaching yall folks

@y.w.79

5 күн бұрын

Funny thing is petrol versions of bmw are also heavily discounted. If my memory serves me, you can have the new 5 series petrol for less than 40k euro.

I wish we had those cars in Portugal, insane value.

They are definitely not selling at a loss. So the profit margins are insanely high

@oubihiotman3673

Күн бұрын

Yep, if they can make profit from this 24k bmw, why the hell they sell it double price in other countries

@ishmamrahman877

Күн бұрын

@@oubihiotman3673 because they can people buy it happily at that price

pre-pandemic is a great description

@goranbandic9387

7 күн бұрын

When you are ass, and you don’t mind that from your country came Virus

Feels like an act of desperation from the traditional auto makers. Just goes to show, its not just about being an EV, its more about bringing more capable and sophisticated tech to the table. In a few more years, Chinese cars are going to be even more technologically advanced, and the herd will be thinner. A lot thinner.

@CyAn-S

8 күн бұрын

Do you think this is the peak for a european EV? This an afterthought for BMW that they can sell for cheap on a cheap, oversaturated market.

@nicolamastascusa8173

8 күн бұрын

@@CyAn-S They're probably losing money on this. I think European brands will have better EVs in the future, but EVs designed and built in China with a Euro brand label slapped on. It doesn't feel like they're nimble and fast enough to create competitive EVs on their own right now.

@CyAn-S

7 күн бұрын

@@nicolamastascusa8173 No you think wrongly. EVs will be more and more be made outside of China. If you did not catch the memo, Europe and China are not exactly the best friends right now.

i love your videos and literally seeing your channel everyday plz post video at least a week❤

Just stumbled on your channel and enjoying it! As you build up a catalog of videos, would you consider featuring the Chinese market Porsche Boxster Spyder (2.0, 4-cylinder)? Information about this car is so illusive in the US.

Sean, I guess the cut-throat rivalry occurring in China left BMW with no option but to adapt to the price war.

Excellent video, very detailed and insightful look into why the Chinese EV market is in an astonishing place right now

Came back to hit a like on the video, that I had forgotten to do!

That zeekr 007 looks beautiful

Awesome review 👍

Chinese EV’s advantage is brought by the full industry ability of China so no country can replicate it at the moment. Maybe India in the future but at least for now, rejecting Chinese EV is rejecting near future auto technology with much more affordable price.

@toyotaprius79

8 күн бұрын

Medium and long term Industrial and Economic planning, instead of short term profiteering and inflation that we're suffering in europe

@user-bz9kd5kq9v

8 күн бұрын

Let me tell a joke :indea industry...... LOL

@robmesserf

8 күн бұрын

If you follow the recent weather in India, a large portion of Indian land is unsuitable for energy-intensive industrial production for long part of the year. This objective factor constrains its industrial production from reaching the level of China's, and note that the human and national planning level factors are also completely ignored here.

@Cannoli_JJ

8 күн бұрын

印度没有未来。🧐

@vgstb

8 күн бұрын

@@user-bz9kd5kq9v Exactly! This guy is living in lalaland.

I hope you never compare one of those Chinese cars to an American Dinasaur any time soon :)

I always wondered about chineese auto market since there are so many interesting and different cars. Great concept 👍👍

Fantastic insight, let the world know what is going on

Thanks for the interesting topic and well-explained apples-to-apples comparison. I agree that this isn't likely to occur in any other country, but it should. Oddly, I'm pleased that the legacy brands have been caught "Flat-footed" and must employ tactics such as protectionism to slow the inevitable. It's well documented how, in the early 90's, the U.S. allowed Chevrolet to actively delay the onset of EVs to bolster its profit from ICE vehicles. Like America's big three automotive manufacturers, European brands were happy to keep polluting the environment to maintain their hold on the market. China has proven along many industry fronts that competition, not protectionism, is the key to achieving innovation competencies and dominance. Though it pains me to say it, the nascent shift amongst economies is a necessary wake-up call for the countries engaging in protectionism, whether by the term overcapacity, national security, or the claim of unfair subsidies.

The car producers need a kick in the rear to innovate. Is the German industry in trouble? Yes. But by concluding it is done, I think people underestimate the industries capabilities.

Where did you get the €24K price tag from? BMW’s Chinese website shows a €46K starting price for the i3.

@cedric3379

6 күн бұрын

Nobody in China buys these cars according to the official website price tag. FYI a Volvo S90 "should" be 300k+ RMB(~39k euro) but I can get it at around 230k+ from the seller, and that was a few years ago so I reckon the difference only gets bigger due to the fierce price war. The company surely knows the situation and has to give implicit consent otherwise they can't sell shit at the price they set officially.

@user-rx7ph2xg7y

5 күн бұрын

最新成交价已经到了160K+人民币，加上保险成交价在170K左右，在中国新能源汽车不用征收购置税

@gaobili

Күн бұрын

dealer's price is lower than the official website price, otherwise no one would buy it

This is a good electric 3-Series. It's clearly struggling to be competitive with vehicles like Zeekr's 007 since it looks quite outdated and the tech is not so great. Very intriguing video!

I feel sorry for those who bought this BMW before the price cut. Their resale value has now fallen off a cliff. Is it truth that North American union protectionism is the real root of the tariffs against cheaper imports?

@thesheepthemightythecrazy

7 күн бұрын

It is all just politics. Presidential election needs those votes in the car states, so Biden did the tariffs. But it is just a part of the decision.

@cuspcham

7 күн бұрын

That's an excuse to bash the union. Per usual, the boss takes most of the profits and workers get bread crumbs.

@alexanderchristopher6237

6 күн бұрын

⁠@@cuspcham It’s the union who issued statement against EV imports, though. The UAW, which is also a key political force for anyone running for president in the upcoming election. UAW also issued statement back in the 80s against Japanese car imports that was cutting the market share of the Big 3.

This is how BMW should do i3 in Europe, love it❤

Thank you sooo much for the video. US/EU customers should know that they are overpaying for those cars. Those traditional automakers should lower their price as well outside China.

At first i thought 'wow! That's a steal!' and then you showed me the Zeekr 007. To me, the current gen 3 series is still the best looking saloon in the market (head to head with the Alfa Romeo Giulia) and the interior still look awesome (definitely more useful than the new buttonless design on the new gen X3) but the spec of 007 are miles ahead of the 3 series.

@chesterbao2223

8 сағат бұрын

not really, the actual range of Zeekr 007 is very disappointing, just like their another model Zeekr 001

What is the purchase tax (sales tax) in China on both of these cars?

@UCMpDwp7VEfKXRH3NyAW7kuj

8 күн бұрын

EV is tax free yeah even for BMW

@wiiagzia9450

8 күн бұрын

tax is included for every country except the US, and in china the on road cost is also included I think

@user-mx9oq3os6u

7 күн бұрын

In China, the hybrids and the EVs are tax-free till the end of 2024 by now. Further tax policy is not posted yet.

@user-xn1nc6ur6o

7 күн бұрын

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I'm in the market for a new EV in Europe but after seeing this video I don't want to buy anything. I'll just keep my 4 series Diesel a little longer then. That being said, I don't believe the range numbers of the Zeekr one bit. BMW is known to build very efficient cars and also EVs. And the BMW infotainment might not look like the newest thing around but it is functional and many people underestimate functionality in car interiors nowadays. So I'd give the Zeekr a shot but I'd probably lean heavily towards the BMW here.

@Jackie-fk6zc

8 күн бұрын

I am in the same position, I decide to hold the purchase of MY and keep driving my cars until Chinese EVs flooding into AU car market, I guess I will see it in 2025.

In EU you can get from BMW for that money 4 wheels ,and 4 doors maybe

in malaysia, people can get toyota vios for 24k euro

@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl

8 күн бұрын

Nothing Special!We can get a Basic Dacia Sandero for 12kEuros in Europe and the sallerys are way higher then in malaysia!

@Entertainment-

8 күн бұрын

@@BrunoHeggli-zp3nlOnly in Western Europe, people don’t realise that wages in Malaysia is comparable to some Eastern European countries.

450km wltp is too short range for a bmw.. just get a regular 330Li

The reason why European cars are not as autonomous, is because it is simply not allowed here anyway. Besides Chinese autonomous driving is only on pre-mapped roads. Meanwhile the Chinese cars that do come to here to Europe have some of the worst, least reliable and shaky lane keep systems on our market... This BMW rides on a platform that is from 2018... well there you go. This is essentially a 2018 BMW with some bargain basement battery that BMW found somewhere 😂. This is basically their worst EV on the market right now. Even in the EU they don't sell this.

@eclockren7144

8 күн бұрын

Chinese car are going to pre-map-free self driving this year, HUAWEI already released this feature to all of their customer and Xpeng, Li Auto, NIO is following in this year.

BMW still has a nice traditional look with the 3

@vgstb

8 күн бұрын

That's because it's a converted ICE car.

Cars could be a lot cheaper without the bells and whistles. I'd rather pay less and not have self driving and I don't give a dang about the infotainment system.

@realtissaye

8 күн бұрын

and in China there are affordable options like that available. Many smaller EVs from Baojun and Wuling come to mind.

@rocky137

8 күн бұрын

I was like you a few months ago, I could not care less about the infotainment system, until I tried an Li auto. The infotainment system on that car, absolute necessity for me now.

@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl

8 күн бұрын

No Cars could not BE a Lot cheaper!They make mostly no profits selling the basemodell!

@georgekrpan3181

8 күн бұрын

@@realtissaye Cheers!

@georgekrpan3181

8 күн бұрын

@@rocky137 It's nice but I could live without it, I do now.

Ppl are dreaming if they think the price remained the same when selling in Europe. 🤣🤣🤣

Almost giving it away is still cheaper than scrapping the EV

So 100% tariffs would be a nice start!

@Jamie-nt3eh

7 күн бұрын

still can't compete

@alko_xo

7 күн бұрын

@@Jamie-nt3eh Who's with who?

@AdamJRowen

7 күн бұрын

@@alko_xoeven with 100% tariffs, the products from Cheyna still offers more horsepower and more lux features than your typical Tesla.

@AdamJRowen

7 күн бұрын

And with no doubt the big displacement combustion engine car from EU and US will face the same treatment.

@alko_xo

7 күн бұрын

@@AdamJRowen I have nothing to do with your typical Tesla.

They charge what they can get away with.

Nobody really care about legacy automakers EV in China,this bmw should be 20K euros in China

To be honest, i would like for cars to have LESS screens. APPS and big pano-screens should not be in cars

@yulusleonard985

8 күн бұрын

Blame EU government for NCAP.

24 k for new car or used xar ???? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

@imwsss726

6 күн бұрын

Brand new from official dealership.

Can I come to China, buy the Car, and come back with the car? Where is the problem? 😀

@hallerwang8559

8 күн бұрын

IRS: Try to carry your car with luggage.

@eldinmujovic8705

8 күн бұрын

@@hallerwang8559 I will drive it man 😅

@batia0121

8 күн бұрын

One word : Tariff.

@jerryyu583

8 күн бұрын

You can actually, there are some people specifically doing this, but without high quantities, the price will be higher than you could imagine. For example, there are plenty Chinese EVs being imported to Russia and some middle Asia countries, that makes the prices pretty comparable. But there are only small amounts exported to US by the owners, the prices goes double or even triple(before the Biden government makes it 100% taxes)

"pre pandemic" hahaha

To be honest, I think BMW is behind in tech and just want to catch the EV band wagon. They just find a way to put batteries without using a proper EV platform. The extended wheelbase is also for them to put more batteries to it. If I were to go for EV, I will choose the Zeekr.

We are witnessing the end of German cars🤞🏾

Your comment in this video describes the dramatic backlog of all German EV manufacturers👍

@CyAn-S

8 күн бұрын

That fact you assume all cars from Germany are this tragic just makes you look ignorant.

It's a chyna made 'bring my wallet'

Too many racist or anti-china comments. China is a global leader in manufacturing, and making a last-gen car in partnership with BMW will not compromise the engineering or interior prestige of the 3-series(which really isn’t so advanced to begin with honestly). I feel discussion should revolve around why BMW is so so so behind, and why does the usa/eu so strongly pretend chinese car market doesn’t exist and we don’t know how badly us/eu customers are treated

@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl

8 күн бұрын

To many anti German and anti Europe comments!

@DougC83

8 күн бұрын

Go over there and experience the deflation, along with the working condition…its cheap for a reason

@ahwai82

8 күн бұрын

@@DougC83 lol sounds like you never been there and see how people actually live there..just a ignorant fool on the internet

@CyAn-S

8 күн бұрын

This is the worst EV BMW makes.... they just make this to get some sales in China. Your market is messed up and oversaturated.

@ulyssis

7 күн бұрын

just dismiss the anti-china chants, which are paid by Taiwan and the US/isreal.

这道菜叫虾仁猪心

BMW is the best!BMW is Love!

A very good advertisment for Zeeker but let me tell you what. I'll take a bmw over a Chinese brand everyday,no doubt . The Chinese brands are cheap as they look and feel cheap interior or engine wise, and unfortunately in order for Europeans to survive such as Mercedes they're becoming more Chinese looking ,take a look at the interior quality of benz and that's a shame

@cocoaiscool2709

7 күн бұрын

zeekr is actually pretty good quality tho, hell I would even say better than current plastic heaven mercedes

@user-yz3bu7dl8c

5 күн бұрын

Honestly, if you come to China and try cars in the same price range, you wouldn't think this way.

But this is exactly why the EU and US should impose tariff on cars MIC. With the much lower standard of living of Chinese workers, the lack of union, and government subsidy, there is just no way for EU and US companies to compete. Once these products floods the market, people will lose their jobs, YOUR jobs my lovely friends in the US and EU. This has already happened to other industries.

@antihypocrisy8978

8 күн бұрын

I'm guessing you missed the Econ lecture on comparative advantage.

@darkphoton_15keV

8 күн бұрын

There is one way to do it and the EU and US people never have the gut to mention it: cutting all the above-management-level salary by half or even more and lower dividend to the broad. Do you really think the CEO of BMW and Mercedes deserve to earn close to 10 million euros every year? Do you really think those investors doing no work deserve getting paid hundreds and thousands times more than the workers who actually do the manufacturing? At the moment of one of the most important industry is being challenged, shouldn't those who already have a more than decent life make some small scarifies keep their company competitive? After all, they are the people who made the wrong business decision of not investing enough in research and development of electric cars in the first place. Don't brag about your funny union if they cannot even achieve this. Those are just illusions if all increase in pay and benefits the union asked for came from the consumers which in the end are the workers themselves.

@jdc3636

6 күн бұрын

@@antihypocrisy8978the way he says these nonsense indicates he is a moron, probably a high school dropout out.

More expensive in the west, yes, but western workers are paid better and have more free time. It’s not a bad thing.

@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl

8 күн бұрын

Its Just normal you have to sell Cars for less in China because they make less Money there!A Burger is also a Lot more expensiv in Norway then in Thailand!

@cobaltblue2756

8 күн бұрын

That means purchasing ability is pretty much the same..

@wiiagzia9450

8 күн бұрын

Australian here enjoy chinese made cars for cheap price and still make more than europeans😂

虾仁猪心

I hope Americans and Europeans see this and realize, China is trying to bring affordable cars for consumers. YOUR government is stopping them from providing competetively specced and priced consumer products. 🫡👍

@alfonsotatto8365

8 күн бұрын

Oh thank you chinese superheroes🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 Our government is simply trying to defend our automotive history, exactly like China has done until now. Nothing else

@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl

8 күн бұрын

Bullshit!

@omeryehezkely3096

8 күн бұрын

​@@BrunoHeggli-zp3nlit's economics 101. Enjoy paying more and getting less.

@user-yq6dl1zn3z

8 күн бұрын

@@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl A good description of yourself

@alfonsotatto8365

6 күн бұрын

We don’t need any affordable car. We already have plenty of them. And the people who make them are fairly paid and have every right they deserve, unlike somewhere else