I can't believe you passed a PT Cruiser of all things on the Ring. Those are getting rarer to see stateside, let alone on a race track in Germany. That made my day.

@hondaforever338

3 жыл бұрын

They aren't rare stateside, they're literally everywhere and the junkyards are FULL of them if they haven't been stripped for parts and crushed already.

@erictko85

3 жыл бұрын

What a legend

@Drive-n-Vibe

3 жыл бұрын

you still see them occasionally in the UK (along with the 300c and crossfire). I assume Germany is the same.

@CW-yp9jo

3 жыл бұрын

@J B it really isnt.

@genericallyaccepted

3 жыл бұрын

@@CW-yp9jo it actually is, though.

enjoying a "review" like this, better then most paid youtube testers 😉👍🏻

@Efreet17

3 жыл бұрын

Most utube testers talk so much good about kia and hyndai lol 😂🤣🤣 idk

@navneet4938

3 жыл бұрын

@@Efreet17 kia adn hyundai are trash

@TEFLONDONTRUMP2024

3 жыл бұрын

You mean those runway drag races suck and aren't the best way to review bmw

Watching the range to empty go down like seconds rather then kms was funny

Underneath is its best angle! Props to the engineers.

@airwaves8191

3 жыл бұрын

how did i made that m badge

@Ssh52

3 жыл бұрын

@@airwaves8191 he's a channel member

@breakingcycles741

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ssh52 Lmao I was about to say. You can put a dumpster on top of a great suspension, it's still a dumpster.

@saketnaik1

3 жыл бұрын

@@breakingcycles741 I'm sure the BMW engineers have made a better setup than you could pull off ...

Haha awesome mate, been waiting for this one 🏁🎬🙌

@ruthun

3 жыл бұрын

Manual is officially dead in my country. :-( How many miles on your's, Joe? I just hit 5000km in my Sao Paulo G82

@mocabrera

3 жыл бұрын

Someone with an M3 to put on the Dyno and check the alignment? 🤪🤪

@JoeAchilles1

3 жыл бұрын

@@ruthun nice! I've not driven mine at all yet unfortunately, I'm planning to do around 3000 miles in June though 👌

@ruthun

3 жыл бұрын

@@JoeAchilles1 Looking forward to your insights. I hate the bucket seats in mine. It's too firm on long journeys. Should have went standard seats. And they're already getting dirty...eeeew

@malteserwfj

3 жыл бұрын

@@mocabrera AutoTopNL have already put an M3 on a dyno

Great insights. Hopefully you can get some Team Schirmer feedback on the under steer issue. It is an impressive car and difficult to ignore! Thanks for taking us for a lap!

This is my favourite review that I’ve seen of the new M4!! Amazing job Misha! Every other review seemed to talk about the front grilles for 80% of the video... you very were objective and provided great info, thanks

I do like this Manuel m4, didn’t expect that💪🏼

@mountjoy23

3 жыл бұрын

Si senor

Didn’t expect a manual! Interesting

@ndj4267

3 жыл бұрын

No one would get a torque converter for track days now DCT is gone.

@Pik4chu985

3 жыл бұрын

@@ndj4267 The M235i racing uses the the zf 8-speed so it can't be that bad

@Aapee1

3 жыл бұрын

@@ndj4267 No one? Even Misha said he would not get a manual for track in the video.

@Alex-lh8pm

3 жыл бұрын

@@ndj4267 Torque converters are fine and have worked well at the track. They perform well in day to day driving and you dont have to worry about the bucking the dct gives at traffic speeds

@ndj4267

3 жыл бұрын

@@Pik4chu985 That's a modified unit with torque converter removed, still slower than DCT. They have all been replaced by M2CSR.

I am very thankful Misha for being honest about the opinion on any car. Very honest, very nice & know about the car much better after doing laps after laps!

Just one minute in the lap and it’s impressive 🙌 Talking and driving like that 👌

Excellent all round test and great content as always 😎🙏🏾

It's blowing my mind that the transition from on-the-road to on-the-track right at the start is so quick and smooth. It's as smooth as going from a surface street to a highway.

Respect for the in-depth review after the lap, especially the part where it's on weight scales.

Great video! Thanks for the detailed look, my geeky side really liked all the aero details on the M4, even just how they're directing air out of the radiators. Also appreciate the bet stakes. Pancakes FTW!

Finally! I was waiting for this video!

Incredible, Mischa! Bmw now keeping eyes on Porsche and satisfying car lovers with manual versions of fast cars! Nice!

Thanks as always, this is my go to video as a G80 Xdrive Comp owner. I look forward to a 100% stock G80 Xdrive vid with your telemetry camera and your end of lap comments. Keep up the great work!

Really great vid Misha as always!

Nice lap / review Misha. Unfortunately UK & Ireland don't get the manual car - but that's only because almost no-one bought the F80/F82 with a manual box.

@iunnox666

2 жыл бұрын

A sports car with an automatic is just ridiculous. Drive a Corolla or Camry if thats the driving experience you want.

@girishv10

2 жыл бұрын

Manual was sold it was the uk office that discourage the buyers, as the autobox wears more quickly and ask stupid amount of money to fix, there's a company called "everything m3" that does manual box conversion.

@Fastmetro

Жыл бұрын

The manual M3 / M4 comp pack cars are rare and special. Pre 2018 cars are very light having the carbon fiber propshaft and no exhaust filters weighing in at 1560Kg The gearbox is fitted to all the manual cars - M2 Comp and M2CS and is really sweet, smooth shifting and the rev matching feature is nice to use.

@moeez1211

Жыл бұрын

@@iunnox666automatics are quicker, it’s as simple as that. Like Misha said if he would buy one it’d be automatic.

Really enjoyed the video! Revisiting the og vlog style after onboard is always fun. Congrats on the 500k!!

First I’ve seen of the new manual M4! Thanks Misha!

That's how a proper review of an M4 should look like - on the Ring. Thanks Misha!

Oh Misha. How I've missed these videos. 💙

14:50 I believe the reason would be that the old F8X had unequal length downpipes which caused it to have this very raspy exhaust note which many people disliked. This new setup looks a lot more like an equal length setup than the old F8X!

Great drriving looks so easy to do a nice lap with the new 😍

While I'm not too fond of the looks on the new M3 and M4, it doesn't look too bad and honestly it's hard to beat something that has a straight six engine, RWD, and a 6-speed manual would love to drive one!

Good review Misha!

Yes been waiting b for this 👍

I bloody love the new 3/4 don’t mind the looks but everything else seems better

@E39V8BMWM5

3 жыл бұрын

The m3/m4 ook better in person that on pics ! Seen one white M4 with black grills and its stunning 😍

@clarkyclarke9817

3 жыл бұрын

@@E39V8BMWM5 I’ve seen a few on the roads now definitely look better in the flesh!👌🏻

@bobalto

3 жыл бұрын

How did you get this ///M logo? Bro?

@goodtimesandalpines5442

3 жыл бұрын

How did you get that ///M emoji and Nurburgring emoji???

@clarkyclarke9817

3 жыл бұрын

@@goodtimesandalpines5442 read my reply to Bob. 👍🏻

Great video Misha! When George put it on the lift and commented how much it looks like the F80 it's because it's basically just an evolution of that chassis (hence the change from F to G). With a good alignment and a better flowing/lighter exhaust (hello Milltek) it will be much better. The grill is still butt ugly but, like you guys said, at least it's functional. Overall, it seems way better than I was expecting. However, that's the rear drive manual. The portly AWD version is the car most will buy so I look forward to seeing a comparison once Tim or someone else lets you try it.

Another great video Misha, love what you do and I’m probably not the only person who feels like you have helped them stay sane this last year! Haven’t been to the ring for 10 years but you have rekindled my urge and hopefully I will be driving from the U.K. in our Peugeot 107 shit box to do some laps 🤣

@mgcharoudin

3 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to seeing you here!

nice review! driving and talking so much is super impressive!!

Great video Sir 🔥🔥🔥

@MishaCharoudin I saw the PT Cruiser and instantaneously remembered why I love watching your videos again nothing to do with the BMW haha jk kinda no just great though love these and I forgot how much I like them. What a life good for you and how hard you have worked to achieve these goals great job!

Awesome review !!

Extremely informative. U guys are amazing. Also the crossover in the downpipes could be for cylinder bank exhaust gas mixing, for tone or drone cancellation🤷🏻‍♂️

Loved the video. Misha, thank you for showing how the new M4 6MT drives on the Nürburgring at speed instead of a street drive and review (your feature review was good too). Very insightful and a great review of a car that still hasn't won me over with its new looks, but the driving experience seems to eclipse the gawdy truck kidney grill. I still can't part with $90K+ for a car that I wouldn't like to look back at every time I park it.

That chap in the garage is very impressive, really knew his stuff..

0:34 the sky is so beautiful 😍

Actually the best video !

At 4:05, it was great to see the “retro design” car! I think a very confident grandma was driving it! 😂😂

@luisbalderrama8145

3 жыл бұрын

This.

great video, understeer attribute can be also due to the design of the tires as OEMs mostly develop their tires with suppliers.

Very good review, give us more!!

A Manual M4 is always a great thing! Dream car right here

@FreshlySnipes

Жыл бұрын

I just got a 22’ M3 manual last month. It’s fantastic. I love it. Perfect daily.

That fuel gauge is streesing me out man!

The question is, can Kubica melt also this diffuser?

Great video, definitely on the heavy side though at 1679kg for a manual/ceramic/carbon buckets car. So capable though. Hopefully we will see more G80 content soon

Like so much this video. Looking forward to see same style reviews with different cars. Like to hear your opinion on the chassis of the car, suspension, brakes and of course driving experience. You may start with m2 and cayman. Twice a month would be nice 😉

This is one of the best M4 videos on KZread buying one

That was a really great review! I have worked with BMW for over thirty five years, I have noticed that ever since the E-90 days or thereabouts BMW has been dialing in more understeer into the vehicles. Just look at the sway bar setup in most models, they have a large bar up front and practically a wire coat hanger in the back ha ha. They claim it’s for safety. The newer active sway bars are becoming more popular so they should be able to control the vehicle dynamics a bit better being able to control the sway bars.Hopefully they will have a mode or an adjustment so the driver could adjust the front and rear rates. But that would open up liability I suppose. Thank you for such a great review!

That was proper review😎❤

I will own one of these in the next few years. I just will. With a manual. And, to be honest, being a regular driver, I hope it’s a bit understeery the first times I go for a quick drive, and certainly when I take on the track for the first time(s)...

I actually really like the front end/ look of the new M3/M4s, idk maybe I'm just weird or something. I will say though, the aftermarket bumper which lowers the top of the grill slightly does make it look even better in my opinion.

i believe the reason for the unusual exhaust setup in the middle is possibly due to the packaging prep for the upcoming AWD Gearbox/Transfer-case system, it will need the room for it

A traffic light type system needs to be added before that exit , on track entrance so you no if you have to slow down or not. Just a red or green would do.

love the fact, that this is a manual :)

I think the understeer is caused by the front grilles that were taken from a truck 🤪

Mans was on the racing line in that PT. Good on him.

5th to 3rd gotta love that shift... Automatic: faster, better mpg, safer, but not as fun. Since I don´t drive with a stop watch I rather drive a manual. Plus the utter joy of doing a good launch with a rwd manual is awesome.

I'd always thought that the reason BMW tends to be modest about the power of M cars is more to do with the temperature than fuel quality. I live in Yorkshire in the UK and it's not very warm most of the time so the air is a lot more dense here than it would be say in UAE or Florida. All cars love cold air but turbocharged cars particularly appreciate it. Thanks for taking us along on the lap, Misha.

What a great video. Btw we like to have a map of the nurburgring track when you’re driving.

It sounds so damm good!

I love that car!

Went to a lot of trouble leveling those weighing stands! If you've gone that far, should have two flat metal plates between the tires and the load cells, tare'd out, with heavy oil or light grease between the plates. This nullifies side loads and binding. It's the method used when weighing light aircraft, too.

Lake of brake cooling ducts was a common complaint on Bimmerpost from people that tracked their F8xs a lot, so it's nice that they added that. I don't really see enough to rush to get one if you have an F8x, though. I'm gonna wait for the LCI haha.

Seeing a PT cruiser at the ring.. lifes complete

Cool video 👍🏻

Love manual. Missing analog tachometer and speedometer. Very good video.

Am I the only one who finds this car absolutely beautiful? The grill is not bad at all, in person it looks much better than on photos.

@barangoran4179

3 жыл бұрын

Nope, you're not the only one.

Awesome video! Will be interesting to see if the understeer issue you mentioned is still apparent in the Competition model as that has slightly more aggressive alignment settings 🤔😋

Nice car and nice HeelandToe shirt!

Honestly, as much as I don't like the front end of the new M3/M4 the fact that you can still get one with a manual, I'd have one in a second

@CH-pv2rz

3 жыл бұрын

Iys as pretty as 🐕 💩

I'm not overweight doc, i just have good traction!

Great review, I hope to see the alignment specs and dyno next. In my experience BMW goes too mild with the OEM alignment. The strange exhaust routing is likely for equalizing pipe length between the turbos and muffler. Aftermarket solutions proved that the S55 doesn't need to sound like crap and this looks like the same concept. I'm yet to hear the G80/82 but I hope it sounds more like N54 than S55.

12:05 Yea those Pesky Unicorns really are bothersome and imaginative! I tell you "Somethings got to be done about it!". LOL. Great one gentlemen. Thank you for this quality video.

The idea behind the different exhaust layout just after the downpipes is to get equal length exhaust for both banks (after each turbo). The reason the S55 has the distinctive sound is the unequal length exhaust tubing after each turbo. On the S58 they did the routing such that both sides get the same length. There is also aftermarket equal length exhaust for the F8x which changes the sound to a more «normal» straight six: store.activeautowerke.com/products/f8x-bmw-m3-m4-equal-length-mid-pipe

Valvetronic midpipe and is almost perfect

Really great video Misha, please keep videos like these coming!!!!! Does the rear suspension have the same handling characteristics as the Supra?

You gave me range anxiety there ⛽️! Great car 🚗

The manual M3 / M4 comp pack cars are rare and special. Pre 2018 cars are very light having the carbon fiber propshaft and no exhaust filters weighing in at 1560Kg The gearbox is fitted to all the manual cars - M2 Comp and M2CS and is really sweet, smooth shifting and the rev matching feature is nice to use. In the UK less than 1% of F80 / F82 Competition cars are manual - What a shame! If you can find a low milage example buy it, a future modern classic gauranteed.

I think it looks insane, I would prefer to have the 3 series grill but aside from that the lines on the car are stunning IRL, and it comes with anything you'd perhaps want to change exterior wise (Wide diffuser etc).

Its kinda weird to see a modern Bmw with a manual on a track haha,but i love it gearing seems great ! And who would've thought you'd hear so much about understeer when it comes to a RWD sports car..

The PT Cruiser is unpopular for good reason. Probably on the ring just for a laugh.

Instant future classics car

If it was understeering, it was likely because you put a more aggressive tire on the car than stock without changing the alignment. So the issue isn’t that the stock alignment is understeer-y, it’s that you didn’t change the alignment to match a new tire.

Is that a Heel Toe shirt you were wearing? I couldn't quite make it out but it certainly looks like it! Love both channrls, haha!

Yeah the distance to empty was interesting, she's a thirsty girl on track, also nice to see a proper manual in a sports car, looking good Misha you've lost the winter weight gain, just at the end is that the ring tractor in front of you? Rj in Oz

Sounds good

That must be the tamest instrument layout I have ever seen. The rev. counter takes the cake, as you really have to focus to see the revs, especially at the top end. And the biggest number in the layout is the gear indicator?!? Is BMW afraid that we forgot to change gear, or wtf is that about? Rant over, and thumbs up to Misha for another good video, and BMW for actually putting a manual in an M car once more :)

German norm says that the weight of the car has to be measured with 90% fuel in the tank, 68kg driver with 7kg luggage and all other fluids in the car to be filled to the highest allowed amount. That is the mass of the vehicle you'll find in the documents

Im hoping the prices on these 2021 bmws in a few years will be way cheap because people didnt like the body style...fingers crossed i can get one for 25k by 2027

@iunnox666

2 жыл бұрын

You can probably get one for that price in a year. BMWs hold no value, and don't last longer than the lease period. They're designed to be disposable.

@MJT-DA

2 жыл бұрын

@@iunnox666 laughs in n54

@YourAssAintSafe

Жыл бұрын

I bought a f82 competition and it depreciated almost 25k in 2 years Thank God for depreciation. Despite looks people love these cars and their selling hoping you find one.

A small grille kit for this would make the whole package perfect.

Oh shit, Misha you've been hitting the gym!

the first mod in day 1 of ownership: a proper front bumper/fascia from some quality aftermarket specialists :). the rest seems good package especially in manual form. wouldn't you consider better a Porsche 911 (even if 1-2 years older to match in price) to this due to superior driving dynamics?

Who was that man in the PT Cruiser??.....seriously optimistic and rather brave!!😱😱😱😂😂😂

Excellent video. Can you please provide info on the scale set up. Stands and level. Thank you

Nice vid Misha! What about body panels material other than the roof ? It would be interesting to know where the car accumulated so much more weight. I'll grant it 50Kg's for the increased dimensions but that still leaves more than 100Kg ?

Good video

@MacheteK

3 жыл бұрын

Good comment

When the video reflects your game