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@calvinmoyo5576

3 жыл бұрын

Hi What year is this car

@robertlucas1892

2 жыл бұрын

You prolly dont give a shit but does any of you know a method to get back into an Instagram account? I somehow lost my password. I would love any assistance you can give me!

@fabianryan9192

2 жыл бұрын

@Robert Lucas Instablaster ;)

@robertlucas1892

2 жыл бұрын

@Fabian Ryan i really appreciate your reply. I found the site on google and Im waiting for the hacking stuff now. I see it takes quite some time so I will reply here later with my results.

@robertlucas1892

2 жыл бұрын

@Fabian Ryan it worked and I actually got access to my account again. Im so happy! Thank you so much, you saved my ass!

This man's effort to bring us enthusiasts quality content is something else.

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

highly appreciated m8

@keithmichael3839

4 жыл бұрын

@@autogefuehl keep up the good work m8, love from Indo

@TD-il6ju

2 жыл бұрын

Seriously, I truly dislike some of the comments I see. This guy is ivy league in terms of quality and peace

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@electrikoptik

4 жыл бұрын

We don't care if it's advertisement or not. We just love Thomas and autogefuhl!

@NotCommanderShepard

4 жыл бұрын

@@electrikoptik Uuuh yes we do. Autogefühl is great because it is independent, thorough and honest, not just because Thomas is likeable.

Really don't get how somebody can dislike this, good cinematography and extreme attention to detail. Just amazing.

@autogefuehl

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks please recommend!

@Jacquelyndorindachic

8 ай бұрын

People don’t like what the feel they can’t have

The M850i gets all of the attention but you can get the 840i in RWD. You also save over 200 kilos or 500 lbs in weight. This make the car handle much better and you save money. The V8 sound better but with the $15k you save you can buy a aftermarket sports exhaust if you want more sound from the B58. I wouldn't touch it!

You have never missed any details in any cars you have reviewed. I love your reviews, they are totally unbiased. Also you have now 100 like with no dislikes. You're awesome!

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

thanks man! Hope you recommend us =)

@sriramsrinivasan8617

4 жыл бұрын

@@autogefuehl I did and I will again... Mate!

This car actually suits you, I can see you in this as your daily driver.

Another top class in full everything review - thanks Tomas :D

Very thorough review... love it!

Mixed fuel consumption at the end of the test (but acceleration test excluded): 11 l / 100 km - 21 mpg US - 26 mpg UK

Great review again Thomas, thank you! Great looking car. I don't think I'd go for a frozen finish but otherwise love it.

This must be the best looking and sounding car on the road today. Very good review. This car is the top of my list!

My favourite auto channel on KZread. Thanks excellent as always.

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

👌

Absolutely stunning... BMW have really stepped up their designs this year. I'll drive my 2019 3 series for now and maybe/hopefully upgrade to an 8 series at some point in my life.

i experienced the joy of driving this car ( 840 i , rear drive ) and its incredible !

You disturbed their meditation! Great Full Review and driving part as always. Kudos.

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

=)

GREAT VIDEO! B4 watching this i wouldnt have even considered 640 (without all wheel drive)...NOW I WANT 1!

So beautiful car. Thanks for the review. Very useful for those that never couldn't afford it

Quality is just perfect like all the new BMW 👌👌 nice video Thomas.

Thank you for the Wonderfully detailed and thorough review. 👍👍

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks and please recommend =)

Such a breathtaking car in my opinion. Their is something about It that i like more then audi rs7. It's always nice seeing someones vision come to life an this truly is a work of art.

This car looks so good ! Incredible.

this is the second time when i replay this clip, this car is amazing

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

welcome =)

Sxy sound for a 4 seaters car. Complete review, love it! Ty~

Hey Thomas great content as always, hat off, though you forgot the closing door sound test in the first part of the video :), you did it after interior show 👍👍👍💕

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

=)

White exterior w/ dark/black wheels. A man of culture. Very beautiful car & I’m a Benz guy. Also, love your (& the team’s) car reviews. Always amazing 😉

Best car reviewer on KZread without any doubt! So much detail and honesty

@autogefuehl

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ben!

You like grey? Would never have guessed! Great review. As always.

Thomas, great video and congratulations on your new car😁

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

=)

Awesome review... Great job...

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

Welcome and please subscribe to both our channels :)

Love that background music

Thomas your presentation skills are on another level.

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

thanks, keep recommending us =)

nice review as always Thomas! BTW what Alpina model do you wear? @22:12

Thomas, your review are great but I can only dream to have one of these luxurious car ... hope to see more affordable/budget cars in future reviews

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

Just launched a Mazda3 e.g. kzread.info/dash/bejne/d3lrp9ZpfszVcs4.html

Good reviews

hey man good driving, the reverse auto-pilot was cool, for the speed test wish you were on the autobahn from Düsseldorf richtung Dortmund then you could have really pressed the pedal to the metal ;-)

Excellent video as usual and I love your attention to detail! I recently test-drove an 840i xDrive Gran Coupe similar to the tested vehicle and I absolutely loved how incredibly responsive (and fun) the steering was, even compared to other 2021 BMWs like the 540i or the new M440i. So I was wondering what the "special sauce" was that made the steering so addictive. After watching this I realize it's the "Integral Active Steering", the details of which BMW doesn't really explain in their current literature, so I'm glad you explained it here. I thought it was essentially the M-adaptive steering but as you note, it's combined with rear-wheel steering. However, contrary to what the video implies, the 2021 US ordering guide indicates that it's standard on the xDrive Gran Coupe but optional on the RWD model.

Thats my dream car😍

My dream car ❤❤❤ definitley can't wait for the M version ❤❤❤❤

@Gianni2002

4 жыл бұрын

John David C. Abatayo m8 will be fire!

Great test drive. Is the steering wheel off center?

Rear side window has a weird shape, looked much better on the old 6-series gc. I really don't understand why BMW is abandoning the Hofmeisterknick and changing to generic rear side windows in more and more models.

@kurtstubbs1

4 жыл бұрын

The removal or the hofmeister kink is criminal...without it the shape of the rear quarter feel awkward!

Got the 840i here in the UK. Wish I could afford to retire to Spain and just go on a road trip of the whole of Europe in one. I really do need to win the Euromillions...... beautiful car though. Grin every time I drive her. Excellent review as always.

Great review as always Thomas. The ruler is a classic and at least for me a great information tool for shopping for a daily driver. Keep up the excellent work, especially regarding animal slavery and the environment.

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

Highly appreciated 👌

Thomas, you look like you own that house and the car.

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

😎👌

Which would you buy the 840 or the 650 both grand coupe

Excellent review, these days I creating a new video clip of this new masterpiece BMW M850i.. It's gonna be a brilliant video. Stay tuned 🎥👌👌👍

you are the best !

@autogefuehl

2 жыл бұрын

🙏😊

I have this exact car ❤

It's a dream car. 👍💯

One of the prettiest BMW in a loooong time!

This is a beautiful car. I really like it, after the disappointing 2-door coupé, but I was expecting a bit more spacious interior. Also I miss the design of the center console from the old 6 Grand Coupé, it felt more special. Great review Autogefühl!

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

appreciated!

20 months ago, and replaced my 640d GC with a 840i GC, with 10 optional extras. My best car to date.

Subscribed

German humour... I need a glass of water.

Awesome review! Current 5er owner that was thinking of going over to the 2020 Audi S7, but after happening upon an 840 over the weekend at the dealership, and watching this review, will be staying in the BMW family! The matte white isn't showing as available in the US, so hoping it's an order-able option by the summer of 2020. Definitely going with the inline 6. The M850 engine is appealing, but agree that 6 will get the job done!

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Great review. Many thanks for sharing. How does the steering feel/feedback compare to that in the 850i X drive coupe you also drove? Seems like you found 840i RWD is more agile than 850i X drive.

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

yeah a little. Steering is kinda the same though. Its more how the rear comes around from torque

@ashvarma2486

4 жыл бұрын

Great, many thanks for feedback. Cheers

My dream car!

Thomas, the Bob Ross of cars.

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

=)

Looks awesome Just one thing All the white in the back needs some contrast

Also always the coupe over the 4door ✌🏾

Are the seats different? The M close to headrest? Will these seats be available in the US?

On RWD still rear will turning littlebit with front ones when you have to turn ?

Why did they remove the hatch, would be way more practical

You can get M8 sport seats on the base models now?

Think it's the best looking big sedan. Definitely one for a couple with no kids that want something for long trips. Think the X5 is it's greatest competition.

6- Series Gran Couple looked better imo. Still a cool car.

@RaidenBiH

4 жыл бұрын

This is 6...bmw just change 6 to 8, take your money and there you go....

@gaysonjiovanni1593

4 жыл бұрын

RaidenBiH couldnt say it better

@FurkanCemTurfanda

4 жыл бұрын

@@RaidenBiH Obviously, but the previous gen looke better.

@stevem2323

4 жыл бұрын

@@FurkanCemTurfanda To you, not to me. This 8 series is gorgeous.

@jeandoute9902

4 жыл бұрын

No. This one looks far better.

Ha Thomas made a funny! His house...made me laugh!

Great review and an awesome production considering such a grey day! After seeing the RSQ7 feels it looks so much better, interior more comfortable and trunk space way better.

@lukaposeidon8490

4 жыл бұрын

What the fuck is a rsq7

Are those seats standard? They look like the M series seats but in an 840i.

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J'adore 👌👌👌

It’s a shame that the m version does not equipped with the crystal gear shifter.

At 20:15 - does that mean the seat will crush the back seat passenger's toes if the driver decides to lower it?

Another nice review👍, i like it!. The only thing that i didn't like😞was the two engine braces, they look like they belong on some economy car...not very stylish or befitting of such a fine upscale vehicle's engine compartment.

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers!

NL: “Roads are a little rough” England: “Hold my beer.”

@autogefuehl

2 жыл бұрын

This is portugal :)

I am test driving this car next Monday and I will leave some feedback post that drive. Thanks for giving me some very useful and detailed insight in preparation for the test. Meanwhile I am hoping that the GC drives better than the 2 door 840D I have already driven but did not like at all. I found the car to be very cramped and claustrophobic and the rear seats were more like a +2 in terms of their practical useability. The 2 door also had the active steering and in line witha lot of reviews and anecdotes from the dealers I have spoken to I really did not like it. It may be useful for manouvring at slow speed but in normal driving it felt like the car had a tyre blow out, very snatchy feel through the steering wheel. I owned a 6 series GC and it was one of the best cars I have driven so here is hoping.

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

Thx and have fun!

Could you please compare 6 series GC with new 8 GC internal size vice? Especially in rear?

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

Check it out here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/l42krsOMcZDcddY.html

@antonantonov20

4 жыл бұрын

@@autogefuehl I am talking about 6 series Gran Coupe not GT. It is interesting probably for 6 GC owners to know how much larger inside is new 8 series GC

why is the frontgrill so small ?

hello thomas nice review thanks, for my taste the bmw looks better than a porsche panamera but the design from the new audi RS 7 is killer.

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

cheers!

A really enjoy watching your videos, trust me you are the best also Mat Wattson is funny guy and good promoter! Tell me please if you can Which is the best drive car for us 40+ years old dude 😂 I wanna buy something special for my 40 birthday 🎉,also thank you very much for your previous answer 😊

@zekerijamamuti8881

Жыл бұрын

I'm between series 340,540 or 840

Awesome review! I don't BMW but sure great engineering! Just one question, why does their kidney grille turned like KIA cars'?

What’s the colour?

What I’m really interested in the new voice interactive infotainment system is if there is an option to change the voice to male? Almost every voice interactive system found on cars these days have a female voice. Given the voice interactive system is inspired from the voice assistance on smart phones, there should also be an option to change the voice and pitch as well.

Hat der hintere Mittelsitz einfach keine Nackenlehne?! Viel Spass bei Frontalaufprall = Genickbruch?

Hi Thomas, great reviews. I am very curious what your advise would be for a daily sporty driver: the cls53 or the 840i-GC and why? My situation is a family w 2 small children and I prefer these designs over the E and 5.

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Stephan! Wouldnt take AMG as daily driver, Suspension too stiff. Rather CLS 400 or 450 or however it is called then in ur market with the same 6cyl but less hp. Still it will be helpful to watch our cls 53 review: kzread.info/dash/bejne/h2qMy6SvhtjXZ84.html

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

840 RWD is a great choice, great engine and lots of fun and suspension is superb. Sadly, BMW only offers animal skin seats in the 8, whereas Mercedes offers alternatives. Tbh i would go to BMW and tell them they should get me the seat in fabric/alcantara or sensatec and then i d sign for the 840, if they refuse then go for the cls

@Steevey

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for ur reply! If animal skin seats is not an important factor, which one would you buy: the cls 450 or the 840i rwd gc and why? Is the advanced interior of the merc more pleasant than the bmws and are the massaging seats and autonomous driving a big plus compared to the bmws? I appreciate the effort and keep up the great video's we enjoy here at home! Stephan

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers! Well animal skin is always an important factor... see why: kzread.info/dash/bejne/oISTpdiFnMSsnKw.html The inbuilt tech is somewhat comparable with Merc and BMW

Hey Thomas , do you recommend the M seats or the normal comfort ? I m interesed in buying a 840xi gran coupe 🤗. It will be a daily car. I like the M sport seats but I tested a M5 and the seats are a bit hard and they look the same like the 8 you tested. Thanks

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

Yes go for comfort seats. And also file in customer wish for non-animal seating that they notice change

@AlexSeche

4 жыл бұрын

@@autogefuehl yes.... I love the alcantara on my x6....don t understand why they don t put it on the 8 , amg gt has it..

Münchner Kennzeichen... in Portugal? Toll))) Wunderschönes Auto aber ich noch bevorzuge Serie 6 Grand Coupe. Hast du einen Unterschied bei der Fahr zwischen dieses Model und S6 GC bemerkt? Grüsse aus München!

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

Hab noch mal geguckt, die Längen sind relativ identisch. Das 6er Gran Coupe hat sogar einen kürzeren Radstand! Das 6er Gran Coupé ist ja grundsätzlich etwas länger und eher auf Komfort ausgelegt, während der 8er eher in die sportlichere Richtung geht. Das ist aber wohl eher die Fahrwerksabstimmung usw

@corneliusscipio777

4 жыл бұрын

@@autogefuehl Vielen Dank für deine Antwort!! ;)

@Autogefuhl do you prefer this bmw 8 series gran coupe or the new Audi rs7 if you were to choose which one would you choose? And why

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

Tough call. I love both those cars. But first I d check over the individual programmes if I can get either one without animal skin seats :) Then, the A7 is the clearly more practical car as for space inside. And maybe a little bit more comfortable. 8 Series drives better however and has RWD only offer.

@tracer073

4 жыл бұрын

Autogefühl you still didn’t say which one would you choose out of 8 series gran coupe or Audi rs7 disregard power, or maybe you can’t say your choice because of advertisement reason.

boy, what's not to love!

Hi Thomas! I'm the owner of a BMW 5 series 530d xdrive (G30) with adaptive suspension (sport, normal, ecopro and adaptive). From a strict sportive driving perspective, would you feel a noticeable difference between this 8 series and my 5 series? Furthermore, i'm considering also a Panamera, so between the 8 series GC and the Panamera is there so much difference in the riding? which feels more sportive to drive? Thank you.

@autogefuehl

3 жыл бұрын

hey! Hm well the 8 series is put a little lower, however the wheel base is longer than in the 5 Series. To be honest, next to styling I dont see a reason for you to change. Panamera and 8-Series come close, both a lot of fun to drive, at the same time they feel different just from the whole impression when driving it on a subjective note.

@autogefuehl

3 жыл бұрын

check out some more reviews: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qYhnr7iip6ned5s.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/pph5zKWwl9e9dbQ.html Maybe u can compare better then

How tall are you? thats a big factor

I will buy this car in 2 years from now!

@akmeme8176

4 жыл бұрын

I will buy this car in 10 years from now xD

@YungMerlyn

2 жыл бұрын

Did you buy it?

@ENDI-DJ

2 жыл бұрын

@@YungMerlyn I was a bit too optimistic, maybe in the next 2 years 🥲

@YungMerlyn

2 жыл бұрын

@@ENDI-DJ good luck bro. You can do it!

@ENDI-DJ

2 жыл бұрын

@@YungMerlyn 🫂

Will you be reviewing the M850i?

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

Already did twice in 2door coupe and cabrio, see video description

@johndavidc.abatayo6785

4 жыл бұрын

I mean the M850i version of the Gran coupe

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

Check the other gc video thats also the 850

KZread algorithm for the WIN! Which car would you prefer the 8401 RWD or Porsche Taycan RWD? Both have similar price points.

What more do I need to know about m8 gran coupe???!!!!!

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

soon more here on autogefuehl =)

Who was the dude with the sunglasses during the launch at the beginning?

@SupercarsGermany707

4 жыл бұрын

Thomas

Nice review and a really nice car. I need to point out that more sustainable surface material really doesn’t make much sense….unless you are a vegetarian. I would argue that natural leather is much more sustainable and good for the environment as opposed to plastic and man made materials. So my humble suggestion is to perhaps not emphasis it multiple times. This car is probably more pitched to the middle aged executive as opposed to new age youngsters and they would find it more luxurious in natural leather. BMW is aware of this and there is a reason for them to choose this material in the product.

@autogefuehl

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for your interest in this topic. Please tune in to what the animal leather industry tried to do here with our channel: kzread.info/dash/bejne/oISTpdiFnMSsnKw.html In general, depending on the animal skin grade, the animals are specifically raised for this matter. However even if meat would be the reason no.1 in other cases, the hide remains one of the most profitable body parts. That means: If manufacturers put animal leather in a car and you accept it as a customer, you give your money to an industry that earns money by oppressing humans, animals and destroys the environment, you make them more profitable. Also, if you turn the argument around "meat is the waste of the leather industry" you realize how biased the argument is. After all, would you care for which exact body part you would be murdered? Or imagine someone robs you on the street and beats you to death - would it matter to you if it was for your Smartphone or for your purse? The animal agriculture industry occupies 2/3 of all farm land on this planet which cannot be used for direct human nutrition then. That is extremely inefficient. The no.1 cause for deforestation is the animal industry. It is also one of the biggest contributor to climate change. The amount of land, resources, energy and water being used is beyond imagination. If you are interested in how the animals are being treated and transported in the global leather industry, watch this footage: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pp-epaOmoZTFaKg.html Note that the footage is genuine and was recorded by a highly decorated investigative journalist in Germany I know myself personally. For the alternative, you can either use artificial fabrics which can be made from recyclables (we have already shown a lot of vehicles that use great fabric seats from PET-bottles etc.) or more and more also from plant-based materials (like Pinatex or Desertex or Miriam). And even if you would create a seat completely with petroleum without a recycling share, the amount of oil being used for that is nothing in comparing just to once fueling up your car. By ditching animal skin leather from car interiors, the amount of emissions (CO2e) is reduced by 85 (!) %. So it is the most important thing you can do to make car interiors more sustainable. In practical reasons, fabric or microfibre seats are just more useful. You do not sweat in summer and it is not cold in winter. And if you want the slick look or something to wipe clean easier, that is possible with animal free leatherette, even in ventilated options. And there are also new leatherette materials available which are superior in every aspect: kzread.info/dash/bejne/p21ou7qDZ5W7hKQ.html More and more natural materials are rising: kzread.info/dash/bejne/oIaH1bp-ntqudNI.html or kzread.info/dash/bejne/q3tn3JmmZrjXfso.html Using animal skin on seats is a major issue of animal rights, human rights - and after all it is just common sense what is better both for the environment and just more practical and more luxurious for the customer. We cannot change what we have bought in the past (that also counts for ourselves of course!), but with more information and compassion we can change how we decide in the future.

I still can't believe why on earth BMW does not include Android Auto... It's so disappointing. I also miss some other options in seats, I really don't enjoy animal skin leather seats and I always go for alternative materials. It's sad that such an important brand doesn't offer alternatives. As for the review, you nailed it! And a big hug to Jonas for holding on on that twisty roads 😆

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

hehe =)

@autogefuehl

4 жыл бұрын

And thanks for the support!

The M8 is gonna have to bring it. The new RS7 is already the new standard for performance 4 door coupes,and it outstyles the 8 Series by a mile.

@lukaposeidon8490

4 жыл бұрын

How's the rs7 a "standard for 4 door coupes" when the gt63s is arguably a bit faster or around the same as the rs7?

@madarz009

4 жыл бұрын

Even the E63 s and bmw m5 competition will eat the rs7.

@zLartix

4 жыл бұрын

Luka Poseidon wait for the performance model

@lukaposeidon8490

4 жыл бұрын

@@zLartix Alright then. Let's wait for the next gen Gt 4 door and m8.

@zLartix

4 жыл бұрын

Luka Poseidon the gt4 door is already out 😂😂

Hi Thomas, I really enjoy your reviews on German cars in particular. I am just curios to why you are opposed to animal skin used in cars. I would appreciate some clarification on the matter as I believe that leather contributes to the motor industry and the economy in general as the animals are slaughtered for their meat and not for the skin as such. In South Africa we produce a lot of leather for the motor industry and exporting worldwide. Keep up the good work, I am in the process of ordering an Audi S6. Regards, Kobus Müller (German decent ca 300 years ago!)

@autogefuehl

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Thank you very much for your interest in this topic. I also bought cars with animal skin leather seats before I did my research and got to know the industry. The most important thing is: With today's modern materials, you have nothing to lose, just to gain. You achieve the same kind of luxury and comfort or even better while having the same or better durability with less impact on humans, animals and the environment. You can use fabric/cloth, microfibre or leatherette. They can be made from recyclables (e.g. from PET-bottles or old fishing nets) or even from plant-based materials (like Pinatex from pineapple leaves or Desertex from cactus fibre or the mixed-plant-based Mirum). Or the Polestar 3 e.g. is using pine oil. And even if you still create a leatherette seat the classic way with petroleum base without a recycling share, the amount of oil being used for that is very little in comparison to how much oil is used for other car parts or how much oil is burned for fuel or heating. By ditching animal skin leather from car interiors, the amount of emissions (CO2e) is reduced by 85 (!) % (www.press.bmwgroup.com/africa-dom-easteurope/article/detail/T0403389EN/on-the-market-from-2023:-bmw-and-mini-models-with-vegan-interiors?language=en). So it is the most important thing you can do to make car interiors more sustainable. Another interesting article is here: www.collectivefashionjustice.org/articles/is-vegetable-tanned-leather-sustainable-lets-do-some-leather-myth-busting#:~:text=Often%20listed%20as%20a%20'pro,the%20method%20of%20tanning%20used. A good example for high-end luxury with ventilated animal free seats is the BMW X7 with Sensfin: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y6SGsM2QadHYoto.html New leatherette materials can be superior in every aspect: kzread.info/dash/bejne/p21ou7qDZ5W7hKQ.html More and more natural materials are rising: kzread.info/dash/bejne/oIaH1bp-ntqudNI.html or kzread.info/dash/bejne/hWWVsLyen8Tanag.html Also check out what the animal skin leather industry tried to with our channel: kzread.info/dash/bejne/oISTpdiFnMSsnKw.html For seeing how the animals are being treated and transported in the global leather industry, watch this footage: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pp-epaOmoZTFaKg.html Note that the footage is genuine and was recorded by a highly decorated investigative journalist in Germany I know myself personally. Depending on the animal skin grade, the animals are specifically raised for this matter. However even if meat is the first misuse case, the hide remains one of the most profitable body parts. That means: If manufacturers put animal leather in a car and you demand it as a customer, you give your money to an industry that earns money by oppressing humans, animals and harms the environment, you make them more profitable. Alternatively, you could support industries with your wallet which try to improve the sustainability of materials. Also, if you turn the argument around to "meat is the waste of the leather industry" you realize that it doesn't make sense (and is ethically doubtful) to discuss the priority use of individual body parts of mammals. Mind experiment: You are getting slain down or even murdered on the street; would it matter to you if it was for your smartphone or for your purse? We cannot change what we have bought in the past, but with more information and compassion we can change how we decide in the future.