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the new sensor is decent. OG 6K is still in the game.

these cameras are both insane!!! Full Frame is full frame of course and the shallow depth is fire!! However, I'm definitely amazed by the Super 35 sensor and the images created on sub 3k cameras . Green shift is no worry w/ Resolve. Fantastic work man!

Fantastic video, the footage from the new camera looks gorgeous.

Wow I see much more improvement in colour (and detail) than I anticipated. Except iso 3200.

I love this comparison Matteo, thank you so much for sharing such a good range of real world working examples to make a good comparison. I'm so surprised in the difference between the FF 6K and the 6K - I honestly thought on paper they'd be so subtle of a difference but you've definitely demonstrated otherwise

@amdy25it

8 ай бұрын

No he did not. He demonstrated that differences exist but they are confirmed to be subtle as everybody expected.

@phrasalsyntax

8 ай бұрын

@@amdy25it ye, he did. He demonstrated that differences exist and that they are not that subtle as everybody expected.

@pavoldeman1762

4 ай бұрын

These replies are the equivalent of the schrodinger's cat situation.

Thanks for this! I'm pretty sure I'm going to get a BM and this helped in the decision-making process.

Nice frames 🎥! Thanks for posting 🙏.

Great comparison. Thank you!

Well first of all, congratulations to your wife for being so patient ! I like the full frame look, but honestly do not see the reason to upgrade just yet. In my case at least. Both are fantastic cameras which your comparison clearly shows. I don’t worry about the form factor as I actually like the pocket camera form factor. I do mostly handheld and the camera is great in my hand. And yet, I am curious about what Blackmagic will come up with in the future. Both cameras are fantastic and seem to do the job just fine.

@matteobertoli

8 ай бұрын

Ahah yeah she’s very patient! It only comes down to your lenses. In my case it was almost impossible to use my 35/50/90 summicron on the Pocket. I was always stuck with the 19 and 28 on the since the 35 is an actual 54mm, which is nuts. So for me is literally a game changer because now I can finally use my 35mm without any compromises

@Michaelzurek

8 ай бұрын

@@matteobertoli Ah yes, I fully agree ! That is the reason I am considering full frame in the future. I don't really calculate my focal length. I use the one that feels the best to me for the shot I'm trying to get. But it's true, sometimes I want to use a specific focal length, and then I need to be careful. That is just so much easier on full frame. My 35 would be 35, and my 50 would be 50. While it is just getting used to it, life is a little easier with full frame. I agree. But other than that, the look from the Pocket 6k is still amazing and one of the best out there in my opinion. As I said, both cameras are fantastic. Let's see what Blackmagic will give us in the future.

@matteobertoli

8 ай бұрын

@@Michaelzurekyes the Pocket is amazing. Hard to improve such an already great camera.

In the quality of the image they are very close, you almost don't notice the difference, only in skin tones, where if I see a difference it is in the clothing, the low pass filter does its job. Thanks matteo, this is really helpful

Matteo thanks for sharing this. You can definitely see the color or tint difference between the two cameras. The big take away for me was seeing how the Pocket's crop sensor compresses the background quite a bit vs. the full frame sensor with the same lens. It really does make the BMCC6k feel more 3 dimensional or have more depth in the shot. It was very interesting how it changes look and feel.

@andrewwoffinden8671

8 ай бұрын

With the same lens it will do that because it effectively makes that same lens "longer". If you use the equivalent focal length that effect disappears as detailed by Steve Yedlin (Star Wars and Knives out etc etc cinematographer).

@westwoodmanorfilms7779

8 ай бұрын

@@andrewwoffinden8671 No, I understand how the different sensor sizes affect both field of view and the amount of compression or length within a shot. But I'm not sure I've ever watched two shots so similar in set up and identical lenses back to back like this. It really took the theoretical knowledge and made it visual for me. And it was interesting to see.

@andrewwoffinden8671

8 ай бұрын

@@westwoodmanorfilms7779 It's an interesting effect but means nothing to the film maker. A 28mm on a full frame will look exactly like a 20mm on a super 35 sensor. Which is why Arri has gone back to super 35. There's no reason to have full frame.

@josefdemergis

8 ай бұрын

@@andrewwoffinden8671 You are correct. People are self-deluding after the "latest and greatest" ff camera. Yedlin was meticulous in his exposition of such matters

@Jeff_Lathrop

Ай бұрын

Full frame and s35 look different no matter how you slice it. One is not better than the other, just different. Even using equivalent focal lengths it will still be different. We are more used to s35 video than full frame, while full frame is the standard in photography.

Thanks a lot for the comparison Matteo. I agree with some of the commenters about improved sharpness and subject separation but for some reason I can't help but find the image coming out of the S35 more pleasing. With FF, subject separation is such that I see your wife outside of the context as opposed to the S35 where there is a smooth blend. She's more part of the scene, it seems. The gradation from in-focus to out of focus is very subtle and I get a larger sense of scale from a planar perspective. I'm sure this is highly subjective but I came here with the confirmation bias that FF was inherently superior and now I'm confused :).

@phrasalsyntax

8 ай бұрын

well, if you want less separation with the FF, just close the aperture a little bit. With the S35 you are limited because can't open the aperture more if you need. And the advantage of the Full Frame is that once you have done that (get the same separation via closing the aperture) you still have better colors, more resolution, less noise (except in low light).

@Entrenuages

8 ай бұрын

You're right about the colours and added flexibility of the FF sensor, not to mention the L mount! You know, I think I've found what I found more pleasing on the S35 in the video, it's distortion/compression: the fact that to achieve the same overall look with the same lens with the FF, you have to be much closer and as a result you end up with more separation (a lot more than aperture induced) but also distortion especially with lenses under 50mm. I guess shooting with a 42mm on the FF would have helped appreciate the differences at equal distance from subject.@@phrasalsyntax

Awesome dude! Thanks for making and sharing.

Great video Mateo, I have still the pocket 6Korg, and because I shoot a lot second base I will stay with it. I use mostly Sigma 18-35 for low light and 24-105 is USM for normal condition. Because I do more documentary work rund and gun I tend to close the iris because focusing could be challenging otherwise so it is why bellow F2.8 on the P6K is rather a no go. I think the P6K org in 2023-24 has still one of the best image for the price...and to beat it you need to go over 10k$ system from Red Arri Sony Canon...and under 10k$ with Ursa 12K...

The 6kFF looks better especially the shadow all the way upto ISO 1250, seems like a touch better DR or rolloff. At ISO 3200 night shot the P6K is cleaner.

I love both the images these cameras produce, I do love how with the new 6K the out of focus areas smoothly roll off into the background, giving the subject more dimension. In many ways the depth of field is more cinematic as it puts more focus on the subject, your eye is drawn to the features of the models face and less distracted by the details in the background. And is it just me or are the skin tones slightly more magenta with the new 6K with a bit more contrast? I now want to buy this camera! Thanks for sharing!

@zaymax_7

8 ай бұрын

the focus rolloff is because of the sensor size difference. he's using the same lens but with different crop factors, so in the bmcc he has to go closer, resulting into a steeper rolloff

@Jeff_Lathrop

Ай бұрын

Still nicer rolloff!

Thank you! Both! I somehow feel pain in my neck watching this 😁😁

Thanks for the test! Another worthy comparison would be with a metabones on the pocket6k to make a ff comparison.

@phrasalsyntax

8 ай бұрын

the Metabones is a loupe (a piece of glass) so you introduce differences there, making the IQ comparison more difficult. In order to compare the two sensors it's just better to change distance to the subject to match the frame (which Matteo did in some of the shots).

@driftatlas

8 ай бұрын

@@phrasalsyntax Indeed the test method is the right one, I was just referring as an adjacent test for the people that have the pocket 6k with the Metabones adapter. It shouldn't have a big difference in the IQ imo, it's not Viltrox, but the dof and similarities would be interesting to see.

You never disappoint brother we love it. But I wonder if her neck hurts from looking side to side 😊

@matteobertoli

8 ай бұрын

😅 😂😂😂😂

Great comparison. The colors on the BMCC look great, the pocket leans to the green side in the shadows. My guess is that OLPF is helping a lot with that. I wonder how the 3rd party BMPCC OLPF might help? Still, for longer shoots, i don't want to over rig my camera just for the battery life. I'll probably save for an Ursa 12k OLPF, i just love how that camera looks.

@shueibdahir

8 ай бұрын

It seems to be a green cast over the entire image that could be easily fixed with tint adjustment on shoot. I've worked with footage from both cameras and I have to say they're exactly the same color wise. The pocket simply takes an extra step to get right

@Jeff_Lathrop

Ай бұрын

​@shueibdahir they are not exactly the same if one takes an extra step... 😂

Damn... Really loving the look of the full frame sensor! Btw, whats the name of the music you used in this video? Really like it!

Strikingly more green on the BMPCC6K so the tint needs compensation. There is just something I like more about the super 35. Practically though, the full frame can be super useful in tighter locstion without having to compromise the stylistic choice of a lens

@Jeff_Lathrop

Ай бұрын

I went with the full frame because it's easier in smaller spaces and has the olpf. A 24-70 is completely sufficient, with 24 being pretty wide. However, s35 might be a better look for video compared to full frame. Both great cameras!

Since we're always looking at equivalent subject framing with the same lens - obviously the big difference we see and feel is the perspective change; the different camera position. A comparison with a 28mm (BMCC) and 18-16mm (BMPCC) lens of similar quality is in my opinion a much cleaner, fairer way to compare the two cameras. You pick a lens and camera position for aesthetic reasons, not because you just have the one lens... It would be much easier to focus on the inherent picture/sensor differences with identically framed shots. But of course, you would need two matched lenses of different focal lengths.

@Jeff_Lathrop

Ай бұрын

This is a great example, as different focal lengths have different properties and trying to match the equivalent field of view introduces other differences in depth of field and distortion. 28 is 28 on all sensors. Shooting an 18m crop vs a 28mm full frame is quite different!

Will that mirrorless mount make you fall into the M-Mount category for wider & faster lenses ;-) ?

cool, however, on time 4:00, on the ff footage, i can see lines going up on the image, very subtle, but looks like electronic noise.

What happened with the 3200ISO test at the end. Is the FF really that much more grainy?

@matteobertoli

8 ай бұрын

Seems like it…

It’s funny, this camera looks great but I’ve still not been willing to upgrade from my pocket 4k. I like everything they release, but none of the improvements would unlock anything significant for my filmmaking. The bigger sensor is definitely appealing though. If it had more DR I would have went for it. All good though I’m enjoying my camera and I’m not really a gear head

Looking at this again the 6kFF has better colour seperation or "colour contrast" while the P6K is more subdued or flat. Does not show all the time though.

Hi there! Thank you for posting. I have this camera and I am putting together my tests on it before I take it on live work. Thus far I've found it's only clean at 400iso, 1250 is ok, and 3200. Other ISO i have very high chromatic noise. With the dynamic range on this camera, I'm thinking we just stick to those 3, and we can pull up the scene if the lighting is on the low side. It's seeming like the ISO gain circuitry is really not allowing the sensor to be usable for us other than a few ISO settings. What are you seeing from yours? Not sure if this is the same for all.

@matteobertoli

8 ай бұрын

Mine is clean at every iso from 400 to 1000. Super clean even at night. 1600, 2000, 2500 totally usable. 3200 is very noisy if there isn’t enough light

@ro8144

8 ай бұрын

@@matteobertoli thank you for the response! We have reached out to them. Perhaps there is an issue with my individual unit. We are seeing usable images only at 400 and 1250 really. It would appear the second base iso is 1250 but dynamic range is highest at 3200 so that’s why it’s listed that way. Thank you again for the quick response.

Hi Mateo, seems to my eye that the bmcc6k FF has a few less dynamic range than the BMPCC6k, on your footage and in others footage i saw in youtube comparing the high lights in the sunlit backgrounds, and on the skin on the light side, even during night shoots

@matteobertoli

8 ай бұрын

Not at all, dynamic range is identical. Check out my BMCC6K camera test. I actually think it’s even more than 13 stops

My machine experiences severe green bands and horizontal streaks in low light, how can I fix them

@matteobertoli

2 ай бұрын

Call support ;)

@user-zx4ff2oo3f

2 ай бұрын

@@matteobertoli OK

Thanks for the comparison! I'm annoyed because I do prefer the image of the 6k Full Frame (and the future proofing it may offer); but the loss of PRORES recording and ND filters feel like it really limits using this camera in documentary style scenarios. There are plenty of times when I want to be able to shoot 4K without sensor crop and without gigantic file sizes. The 4k ProRes options in the 6kPro make it really versatile in a way this camera just isn't (it feels like I'll always need a bunch SSD drives and always need to spend extra time transcoding even for simple projects). It also means that my field of view is going to be always tied to my resolution.

@Jeff_Lathrop

Ай бұрын

Field of view is tied to both your lens choice and sensor. Screwing on an ND filter takes less than 1 minute - I get that internals nds are nice but seems really overrated by many youtubers.

Thanks for sharing Matteo. What filters did you use in sunny bright shots? (ND stops, IR?) Was the same on both cameras? Thanks in advance

@matteobertoli

8 ай бұрын

Same irnd nisi. 3 stops and 6 stops

@Hand_Held_Productions

8 ай бұрын

thanks @@matteobertoli

I can dig it. Thanks for creating this.

When you correct for the Green the images are virtually identical and so easy to match in post. If you want to use your full frame lenses then the new camera is an obvious choice. Otherwise the obvious choice is the Original 6K Pro with it's ND's and Codec options.

@matteobertoli

8 ай бұрын

Depends. OLPF and the possibility to adapt virtually any lenses including PL is a huge plus.

@andrewwoffinden8671

8 ай бұрын

@@matteobertoli Yes if you want to shoot PL, the EF mont on the original isn't great. I never mind IR pollution, it's a defect I quite like. If you were shooting product that had to be correct then it would be different. That's just a matter of preference though I guess.

@BeierFilms

2 ай бұрын

I struggled but this is the reason I ended up going with the 6kPro in the end. I think I like the full frame's images ever so slightly more but the ND filters and ProRes were too much to give up. For this price point, I would rather have that level of flexibility and convenience. I can always rent a higher end Cinema camera but I can't for the 6k Full Frame to give me built in NDs or ProRes for quick shoots.

does it seem like the Pocket 6k has slightly better highlight information?

@matteobertoli

8 ай бұрын

Not to me

metteo grande come sempre, hai ragione messe affianco la blackmagic apsc è nettamente più verde 🫣🫨

G1 or G2 Pocket? I've noticed a tint difference between the two versions although they say it's the same image, I'm not convinced. Much prefer the BMCC6k image personally.

@matteobertoli

8 ай бұрын

G1

@pavoldeman1762

4 ай бұрын

Why g1?

What was the reasoning for the 10+ tint?

@matteobertoli

8 ай бұрын

It’s the default settings when you select daylight wb

@HyperspeedMedia

8 ай бұрын

@@matteobertoli oh okay, I didnt' realized that

Was it the BMPCC 6k G2, against the bmpcc6k Fullframe?

@matteobertoli

8 ай бұрын

G1. They are identical

Hi, Matteo. Did you notice that in the shadows the CC6k is a bit brighter and more neutral in color than the PCC6K? It seems a pretty good improvement to me. It does look like the old camera is greener, overall. What do you think?

@matteobertoli

8 ай бұрын

Those are different calibrations in tint. I said it in the description, if you move the tint the colors are almost identical. But I wanted to leave it as it is to show the differences.

@g.improductions

8 ай бұрын

@@matteobertoliI apologize, I did not read the description. Definitely it seems a bit brighter and richer as you are saying. I might buy it, seems like a solid performer.

Surprised how much the Procket kills the FF in the second ISO bank. Disappointing really.

Dont think you have the fullframe labeled in the shots?

@matteobertoli

8 ай бұрын

Yes. BMCC6K and BMPCC6K

An interesting test would be to take the 6K pro and match the white balance as you would if you were actually shooting. Having a +10 tint as the WB on both cameras is totally arbitrary and makes the original look green and the new camera look correct.

@matteobertoli

8 ай бұрын

Yes but I wanted to leave it default to give an idea of the difference with the same numbers. In some scenes I like the tint green to be honest. Inside it was a bit too much and you would need to shoot with +25 tint.

@andrewwoffinden8671

8 ай бұрын

I know doing all this is a pain but just on one or two of the clips it'd be really interesting to see you matching the colours and see if any differences remain.@@matteobertoli

Why is there a greenish tint on the bmpcc 6k.

@matteobertoli

8 ай бұрын

Description

that sunny shot @2:00 ,i've had this camera for 2years , still cant get these kinda shots

@Andresvideo

8 ай бұрын

Why not?

@karliemorris7318

8 ай бұрын

@@Andresvideo real talk At this point I think I’m just not a good cinematographer Which I am a good one But I see some shots and I’m amazed I’d really like to have a mentor with this camera that can tell me what bullshyt I’m doing to take my images to the next level

@user-nx1wq9rz2p

8 ай бұрын

​@@karliemorris7318 I saw your most recent video, what's your setup? Lens, ND, etc... It looks nice, just very run and gun.

@RandomMotoThings

7 ай бұрын

@@karliemorris7318I bet you’re not shooting at iso800-1000. Those iso give better highlight information that iso400 or 1250 and above. Try thag

Not enough of a difference to even think about switching. A very low light situation may be a different scenario....

Damn, this is a generational leap indeed 🎥

@donato200283

8 ай бұрын

LOL

@JohannBeute

8 ай бұрын

4:41 looks like a generational leap backwards 😂

@SP95

8 ай бұрын

It might be noisier but the colors are still more accurate and the overall picture is less blurry

@rezyserzycia3593

8 ай бұрын

are u blind?

@JohannBeute

8 ай бұрын

Look I'm sure it's still a great camera, and not like you'll get a "bad" result if you light your scenes correctly, I mean just look at the noise performance of some of the Arri's. I was really surprised by the iso performance though, kinda makes me think there isn't a proper or effective second native iso anymore, or something along those lines.@@SP95

What about the BMPCC 4K? 😃

@Fedorevsky

8 ай бұрын

There is another guy who did comparisons with the new CC6K and the P4K. His channel is called "Write & Direct". He did two rounds of testing in two separate videos and did both regular outdoors tests and lowlight in a more controlled environment indoors. Quite in depth and well done comparisons with commentary and even shows the different file sizes and so on.

@ThelIHTCIl

8 ай бұрын

@@Fedorevsky wow. thx!

Hi matteo : look at the wall to the right of your wife (with lut apllied) on the pocket there was more light there compared to the FF. Thats why u see more noise i think on the ff. Let me know what u think…

The pocket is a little bit more green no?

@matteobertoli

8 ай бұрын

Description :)

@simonc4764

8 ай бұрын

Yes the Pocket camera does look a bit greener

@DigitalTailor-pt

8 ай бұрын

Yeah I've seen it after posting 😂 @@matteobertoli

Is it me or does the Full Frame look a bit more clinical, loosing that "Filmic look" that the original pockets have?

@matteobertoli

3 ай бұрын

They look identical to me

Meh, I'll wait for internal ND's & higher frame rates version. It would be unwise to put all that in the 1st version, as always....Thanks Matteo!

@matteobertoli

8 ай бұрын

I said it many times. Blackmagic is not Sony. They don’t come up with a camera every month. They pack all the tech they have and give you the best tool for a stupid price. There are no NDs because they could not fit in there. Also extremely challenging to have high frame rates RAW in that form factor. That’s why the Ursa is bigger. More space for a proper cooling system.

@Belamarimages

8 ай бұрын

@@matteobertoli I understand, but do you really think they will stop here?! As in every generation of cams or whatever, they first come up with base model and later they update it with more bells and whistles. I mean, I have UMP 12k, but I also have UMP 4.6k and had Ursa Mini 4,6k. In every generation they added some more stuff. I also had Pocket 6k and then bought 6K Pro. Same deal. Don't worry, they will find a way to implement those new additions in new generations. The more serious problem is their support, which lasts short. I just heard from official dealer that BMD completely stopped the service coverage for UMP 4.6k. Tell me is that fair for camera that is 6 years old and costed 5000$?? So, if my UMP 4.6k kicks the bucket, that's it. I can throw it in the bin. And 6 years ago I paid it 5000$. I expect that with 12k and other cams soon....

@matteobertoli

8 ай бұрын

@@Belamarimagesof course they won’t stop, but you said like if they were going to release a new camera next month. Of course they won’t stop here, but in this body they couldn’t fit NDs, it’s not that they kept it for another camera. Regarding the Ursa I Agree. It’s completely stupid that they don’t sell spare parts or fix old cameras, even tho I am not sure Sony, Panasonic, RED or Fuji will fix your 6 years old camera neither. Best thing to do is insure your camera and if it breaks you get a check for a brand new one.

@Belamarimages

8 ай бұрын

@@matteobertoliyup, not a bad idea about insurance. I mean UMP 4.6k is still a camera with great image quality and it stops working to bunch of people…and they can do nothing about it. I think Sony, Canon are better in this case. 👍🏻

It's pretty clear the new Cinema full frame is handling fine details and graduated color better than the Pocket. The Cinema also has less noise.

@rezyserzycia3593

8 ай бұрын

The old one have better low noise, look comparision at 3200. Are u blind?

@andynonimuss6298

8 ай бұрын

@@rezyserzycia3593 Not an issue. Easily removed with Davinci Resolve's noise reduction.

@user-nx1wq9rz2p

8 ай бұрын

@@andynonimuss6298 That mess at the end cannot be fixed with noise reduction lol.

im a bit shocked to find that the full frame version is way noisier at higher iso. 4:38

@matteobertoli

8 ай бұрын

Yeah same, even tho full frame doesn’t necessarily mean less noise and more light. There are many other factors that contribute to noise in a sensor

@davidmultimedia2024

8 ай бұрын

Yea.. I don't quite understand what's going on there. The FF should have better low light performance (bigger photosites and same native ISOs).

@simonc4764

8 ай бұрын

Maybe Blackmagic might give us Gen 6 colour science with this sensor with a firmware update.

@d.r.3789

8 ай бұрын

For the nearly identical image one could use the 35 Summicron on the FF, which gives you a full stop. It‘s not a general benefit but on most vintage sets your normal /telephoto would be faster due to mirror designed retrofocus wides. Other fast s35 lenses like zeiss high speeds won‘t fit the EF mount. Just a point you should consider. In my opinion it always cones down to your lenses. Why throw away 40% or so percent of your valubale leica/fd/contax zeiss? Or degrade them with a speed booster (on pcc4k) ?

Are my eyes 👀 wrong or does it all the footage seem super green ? Viewing on my iPad and iPhone screen

@matteobertoli

8 ай бұрын

Not really. Just some clips from the Pocket

Is it me or BMPCC6K look cleaner at night?

@matteobertoli

8 ай бұрын

At iso 3200 yes. It’s cleaner. But iso 400-1000 the full frame is cleaner

@davidmultimedia2024

8 ай бұрын

​@@matteobertoli Any idea why that is? Having much larger photosites, being newer and given the same dual native ISO, it's a bit odd..

@matteobertoli

8 ай бұрын

@@davidmultimedia2024no clue. But as I already mentioned being full frame doesn’t necessarily mean better low light. In facts the Alexa 35 does much better in low light than the LF. So not sure!

In the absence of an improvement in low light, I see no reason to upgrade. After testing the full frame, it performs worse in low light than my 6kpro. Don't upgrade if you want to upgrade just for low light.

I have one at home this weekend from a rental this friday. Was testing it before eventualy purchasing it (I have ursa G2 and pocket 6K pro). Image is lovely, but RS is terrible. Hard pass for me on this one. Such a shame as the image is lovely. Shoot a lot of handheld easyrig, and past 35mm if you pan at reasonable speeds, it's just super janky. Such a shame, really, such a shame....

@matteobertoli

8 ай бұрын

I shoot handheld all the time and never had an issue. Rolling shutter is the same as the Pocket 6K and I shot a Mercedes commercial with it.

@PALALALALALALA

8 ай бұрын

I shot Pocket6K pro on Ronin2/Blackarm some Formula E cars on track and some bycicles and cars in Paris with the same combo, it was fine. Here i'm talking about open gate, I'll post some exemple, but past 35mm it's a problem. Good job on the commercial Matteo, but your handheld sutff is mostly wide angle, and again wide angles showcase less problem, OG 6K FF is 25ms. You own the 12K, you know what I'm talking about.@@matteobertoli

bmPcc 6k more cinematic. But the green tint in the first clips needs to be adjusted.

image on the right is better..