Love these stories. They bring back fond memories for me. I served with a fellow U.S. Marine whose grandfather was an Irish Patriot at the GPO during the Easter Rising in 1916. He would regale us with his grandfather's adventures, trials and tribulations. Never a dull story.

@Deathground

Жыл бұрын

The name given to me was Emmet Holmes Steele ( I hope I remembered correctly).

Thank you for once again providing a detailed and well-presented account of perhaps the most infamous day of the independence war.

@TheIrishNationLives

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the support Joe

@TheIrishNationLives

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnroche7541 I don't know if you have watched the video but I cover all of this, the part about this being F Coy as documented here: www.theauxiliaries.com/companies/f-coy/cairo-gang/cairo-gang.html and how the operation actually had little structural impact on British intelligence.

@TheIrishNationLives

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnroche7541 Hi John, thanks for your response. I had never heard about Bright or Waters body being found before, I was going mainly from T. Ryle Dwyer's book, I thought they were still missing. I'd be interested in finding out more about that. The myth of the Cairo Gang is very hard to shake, as are the pictures from the "Battle of Tralee" taken in Dublin, they are used very frequently. Where I can I try to challenge the "excepted narrative", like the Cairo Gang and the importance of those who were shot that morning.

@TheIrishNationLives

3 жыл бұрын

@@edwardbourke5240 I don't know if you have watched the video but I cover all of this, the part about this being F Coy as documented here: www.theauxiliaries.com/companies/f-coy/cairo-gang/cairo-gang.html

@freebeerfordworkers

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnroche7541 Very interesting but it never seems to have occurred to anybody that Lloyd Georges "We have murder by the throat" speech was simply covering his political back. He had already opened secret negotiations with Sinn Fein and when they became public he would need an answer for his many enemies. Not understanding politics Collins and his merry men felt it necessary to prove otherwise. Even Robert Key in his scrupulously fair work acknowledges it cut the political ground from under his feet and it would be months before he could move to open negotiations. Otherwise I agree with you, people do not realise how relatively unimportant Ireland was in 1919 - 1920 compared to fighting the Bolsheviks in Russia, the Arabs in Iraq and yet another war in Afghanistan. Not to mention major army mutinies in Britain in January 1919 that saw thousands of soldiers take over the south coast ports and demand demobilisation. The Guards battalions had to be brought back to London because they were reckoned to be the only troops on which the government could rely. If you manage to read "1919 Britain's year of Revolution" by Simon Webb You can see they had a lot of other things going on. There were major army "strikes" that is to say mutinies in Britain and France and Police strikes in several cities leading to widespread looting. Relative to these Ireland was not that important as shown by the fact the cabinet committee responsible did not meet for months at a time.

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Thank you for sharing Irish history I enjoy it very much

Fascinating. Thank you

I have never particularly subscribed to schadenfreude , but , whenever I observe the terminal decline of English society into a degenerate quagmire, I think how the sins of the fathers are visited upon the sons. The savage brutality of the british rulers over their " subjects" , particularly the Indian & irish , my compassion freezes in my heart of stone.

@MarkHarrison733

Ай бұрын

It's happened to Ireland as well.

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George does love that phrase...

Very good job by The Squad, an efficient Unit for that kind of mission !

“Junior intelligence officers” - pull the other one, it plays Mother Machree. A fine and greatly informative video, congratulations, but who buys that story? After Kilmichael we were told the Auxies were just cadets. Reminds me of the OK corral. The public were virtually told that they were at the ok corral practicing hymns - I read the letters to the editor written at the time for this. But great work, well done.

@TheIrishNationLives

3 жыл бұрын

David Grant has done a lot of research into the men who were targeted, including their ranks and previous experience: www.bloodysunday.co.uk/addresses/addresses-raided.html Though the intelligence officers killed were of low rank, it could be argued that the Bloody Sunday operation took them out before they could gain skills and pose a serious challenge to the Republican movement. I was mainly trying to show that Bloody Sunday wasn't the devastating blow it is often made out to be but was effective for other reasons, like forcing agents to remain in Dublin Castle. Thanks for checking out the channel!

@padraigodeorain9966

Жыл бұрын

Usual British propaganda. Be worth exploring how many soldiers died in car crashes in Europe over the Falls Road Curfew.

@freebeerfordworkers

8 ай бұрын

Referring to the victims of Kilmicheal cadets was an administrative detail. The RIC recruited its officers separately from constables and sergeants and technically they were trainee or cadet officers. As for Kilmicheal kzread.info/dash/bejne/dJ56utKnqdDOhMo.html&pp=ygUma2lsbWljaGFlbCBhbWJ1c2ggYSBzb2xkaWVyJ3MgdGhvdWdodHM%3D

Oh my goodness first glimpse of Ormonde Winter surely cant be Reinhard Tristan Eugen Heydrich surely in disguise.

@TheIrishNationLives

3 жыл бұрын

Now that I think about it they do look similar!

@Froghood1

3 жыл бұрын

I am an English fan of this channel, but to compare Ormonde Winter to Heydrich is really a very silly and infantile comparison and does you no credit.

These are very well made. I am no expert in the manner, and this may seem kind of cold , but if the end result was a slew of resignations from intelligence officers and the rest chased into the castle that is a success? (as in it damaged British intelligence). The Cadet story broke my heart. Such destruction, and not limited to a side. Such a complex time.

@freebeerfordworkers

2 жыл бұрын

If you read William Sheehan book "British Voices" one of the surviving intelligence officers said they were shut up in hotels under guard afterwards which impeded their work. This was only common sense but he maintains that most of their job had been done anyway. They were not all intelligence officers, two were lawyers setting up military courts and one was an army veterinary officer.

@seank3410

2 жыл бұрын

@@freebeerfordworkers That does sound like a great source/perspective I should look into. It’s also important that a lot of these men killed were innocent, and in the examples you mentioned really not involved in the conflict in any way other than being British (so I would say their deaths are as justifiable as an innocent civilian on either side). However, is there a chance that they may not being totally honest about their job being mostly done, or that what they had and considered enough wasn’t?

@freebeerfordworkers

2 жыл бұрын

@@seank3410 Well witnesses are often wrong not because of any intention to mislead but because memory and perception are fallible. However the intelligence officer I quote said in one of their raids they picked up documents confirming Lloyd George had a personal aide in Dublin Castle who was in regular communication with Sinn Fein. My own take on this incident is something you wont find in any history book but I think it's logical. 1. Lloyd George was in secret communication with Sinn Fein with a view to negotiating a settlement. 2. When this became public his many enemies would accuse him of negotiating with a murder gang. 3. To pre-empt this he made a bellicose speech (I think in Birmingham) declaring that “they had murder by the throat”. This was purely to cover his back when word got out. 4. Collins was fully aware of the negotiations and thought it necessary to show he was not defeated. The the best way to do that was have a lot of people shot. 5. Historians accept that Lloyd George was secretly negotiating but the mass killings on bloody Sunday made it politically impossible for him to proceed until the dust died down or if you like the blood drained away. Looking at the records in London the horror of the civil servants at what was going on in Ireland is obvious. One Election Day eight Irish ex-soldiers were murdered for no reason they could see other than Sinn Fein wanting to demonstrate its power. In modern language they simply wanted to inspire terror. That is the tragedy - the officers he had murdered on bloody Sunday at least had names and it was necessary make excuses for the killing. The eight ex-soldiers killed in one day have no names and they were not even important enough to tell lies about.

@freebeerfordworkers

8 ай бұрын

Two of the 14 were auxiliaries picked up in the street in Dublin taken into a back garden put against a wall and shot. I've seen the papers at Kew they were noted as missing and it was not until late afternoon their bodies were found. The note concludes these are the first of the new police to be killed and the manner of deaths had made a very deep impression on the whole force. I don't think the fact that a vet was staying at the Gresham is particularly significant some quite junior officers then had reasonable private incomes. @@edwardbourke5240

Certainly, the "shock" effect of that organised Sunday morning attack can be easily imagined. My late father's first cousin was one of the victims but the "official" version of the circumstances has been largely discredited by what has been discovered and assessed in recent research. It seems that the factors of propaganda and black ops were in action, with what is known now within the family contradicting the accepted account. There will always be the tendency to deceive depending on what is hoped to be gained, especially in such a confused and disputed theatre of conflict.

@TheIrishNationLives

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Mark. From your surname I take it you are a relative of Capt. William Newberry. Are you speaking about the government version or the version of the events as given in the Bureau of Military History? I know there is uncertainty over the identity of the woman in Newberry's room and that David Grant of bloodysunday.co.uk was in contact with members of the family in relation to this point. I left this and a number of things out as I felt it would overcomplicate the video. It is amazing how much of the days events are still shrouded in mystery 100 years on.

@songsmith31a

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheIrishNationLivesDuring my recent enquiry into family history (via Debrett) plus what was already known about my late father's life and military service that spanned WW1, the Anglo-=Irish conflict and WW2 , I located the grandson of Capt. W.F. Newberry - previously unknown family and the son of the captain's only child, a daughter who lived to be a hundred years old and who told him very late in her long life that her mother was NOT with her father when he died. Between us we discovered enough to believe that the official version was to be disputed, using newspaper reports and official documents that contradicted what was generally put out at the time. For example, how can a wife reported dying after a still-born childbirth be around to benefit from her husband's will or to marry again a comparatively short time later. The past is - to quote the famous line by L.P Hartley - another country - and other factors, like reputation, (regiment etc),, respectability et al come into the reckoning when weighing up the truth "beyond the balance of probabilities",,,to use an accepted legal definition. I am an admirer of the recent book "Bitter Freedom" and acquainted the author (as well as David Grant) with family findings and views about the reality of that tragic Sunday morning almost a hundred years ago to the day. The saddest aspect perhaps is that we as a family have been unable to do the right thing by whoever was present and who suffered calamitously as "collateral damage" as a result of that murderous attack during those tragic conflcted times.

@TheIrishNationLives

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your response, it's cleared up my understanding of the matter was well. "Bitter Freedom" is a great book, it's one of the main sources I use for these episodes. Your families desire to do the right thing by the woman that was present is very commendable.

@freebeerfordworkers

2 жыл бұрын

It's not necessarily an intention to deceive. I have studied records that were only opened in the 1970s and what was written in good faith at the time is often incorrect. William Sheehan book "British Voices" consists of interviews in the 1970s and letters by British soldiers who served in Ireland then. Many are ill informed or simply wrong for no other reason than memory is fallible. A politician summed it up 100 years ago - History does not repeat itself, historian's repeat each other.

@songsmith31a

2 жыл бұрын

@@freebeerfordworkers I certainly see the likelihood of the last sentence you employ. But the times suggest all sorts of activity intended to deceive for all sorts of reasons, not least in the public relations struggle to put either side in the most advantageous "light" with so much interest - not least from the USA, with its own extensive Irish population and influence. Politics has been called "the art of the possible" - and that surely includes the possibility of manipulating circumstances and their reports to advantage according to aims and intentions.

7:50: Clerical error, do you know when that photo of Collins at the Grisham was actually taken?

@TheIrishNationLives

3 жыл бұрын

December '21, after returning from the Treaty negotiations.

Picture of Micheal Collins in the gresham December 1922..?? Collins was killed in an ambush in August 1922

@michealcollins979

3 жыл бұрын

He was killed by trator dev part of sf for getting Eire 26 free countys that he was forced to sine under the treaty of a all out war by crown in ireland wuth in a week that would wipe out all of irish people so me you all of todays irish not be here now only for M collins . So he 3 hours to decide so he sined it to save us his people dev betrayed him with his anty treaty groupe. Witch started civel war Dev was a trator since he life was spared after gpo he was crown spy to help crown kill collins he then ran sat in same seat in treaty crown dail colecting his prize for killing MCollins where he gotvrule Eire under crown rule . Where he once objected to collins starting hmmmm ?

@padraigodeorain9966

Жыл бұрын

@@michealcollins979 ahhh ahh.

2 lieutenant Henry James angliss-my great grandfather

At 1:19 one has to laugh as Mick Collins profile being 5 foot 7 inches or 5 foot 8 inches...No wonder the the Big Fella was not tracked down being over 6 foot tall.

@MarkHarrison733

Ай бұрын

He was 5'10".

Great IRA operation that brought brutality in response. That happened plenty of times over the years.

Are you making any more histories about Ireland please let me know I enjoyed all the the videos they were very interesting and yes I watch him over and over again

@chrissanchez2998

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome

@TheIrishNationLives

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Chris, thanks for all the support. I've been very busy of late and the channel has gone on a bit of a hiatus, I'm hoping to get back to making videos during the summer.

please forgive my bad taste, but all I could think of with all the references to being shot in pajamas, was Groucho Marx's elephant shooting joke... "how he got into my pajamas I'll never know..."

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The video suggests David Lloyd George lived from 1890-1922. Surely not?

@TheIrishNationLives

3 жыл бұрын

Editing mistake. Each video takes a few days to make and I go through it multiple times before uploading but a few mistakes often get missed. Figure out who lived from 1890-1922 and you'll know who the template for the ident was created from.

@joeryan1153

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheIrishNationLives thanks for replying. I came across your videos recently and I want to say thanks very much. They get away from the potted history and go behind the stories we learnt in school and give context. I really learnt something from the video I watched and just chatted about the contents with my daughter. I had always assumed that Bloody Sunday wiped out the Cairo Gang and the elimination of the entire upper echelons of British Intelligence was the prime motive behind the massacre at Croke Park. Thanks a mil! BTW it wouldn't be someone from Cork that died in 1922?

@TheIrishNationLives

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much, delighted to hear you find the series of value. My main reason for making these videos was to put out something relatively short on the main events, a starting point that people could use to do further research if interested, but also to highlight and counter some of the myths and misconceptions of the time. You are spot on with your guess, when I add that template multiple times each video I have to change the name, the years and the description underneath. I should change the template but I'm looking at doing an overhaul of the way I make the videos before the Treaty Debates and Civil War. The only other time I accidently left in Michael Collins year of birth and death was for Roger Casement! That was rather embarrassing when I noticed it.

@sararyan1255

3 жыл бұрын

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Noah's in Ireland He's safe there My grandson

I have also been told that there really was not a 'Cairo Gang'...as such...

@freebeerfordworkers

Жыл бұрын

No research has shown that it does not appear until 1923 when everything was over. The group of men shown in the photograph reporting to be the Cairo gang were ordinary officers and all but one or two survived the period. I've heard two different explanations for the Cairo gang. The first, they were a gang of ruthless intelligence agents who had been working in Cairo against Egyptian nationalists. The second is that they used to meet regularly at the Cairo Café in Dublin to plan their raids. We're very good at this sort of thing in Ireland relying on people not to check out what we say in any detail

@davidpearn2484

5 ай бұрын

As a welshman i always believed the Cairo gang was named as such because of the meetings in the Cairo café.

@HenryRaeburn367

5 ай бұрын

You are correct. The Cairo gang was a myth, just like Collins' involvement in the planning of bloody Sunday it was McKee Cullen, and Thornton leaders of the Dublin brigade bloody Sunday didn't wipe out British intelligence in Dublin far from it ,it was a set back but the British quite quickly reinforced there numbers by hiring ex WW1 army officers the notorious auxiliary division who immediately sacked all civilians employed by British intelligence in Dublin Castle the auxiliaries are not to be confused with the black and tans they the auxiliaries were far more dangerous and ruthless

lads bullets dont grow on trees less of the riddling Michael Collinns talkin to Vinnie( vincent) Byrne

@3vimages471

Жыл бұрын

That was just a film ... and bollox too.

The IRA admitted firing first at Croke Park.

Yes the victims are rarely menchon they got away in the ga match they were never sentences