Hey man, I appreciate you making this video to voice your perspective. I will most certainly be buying this camera! It's exactly what I've been looking for from black magic. I hope I can help clear up some of your questions: Firstly, regarding omission of prores, black magic is trying to make their b-raw an industry standard by forcing people to use it who work with their cameras. They have to pay licensing fees in order to have access to prores, so by excluding it, not only do they not have to pay the licensing fee, but now they can also get people to start using b raw as a standard that is superior to prores for raw workflows. Secondly, the Pyxis is not a pocket camera, it's an entirely new system; I don't think it's fair to say that the lack of an articulating screen is BMD deviating from their pocket series, because the entire camera is itself an intentional deviation. The majority, if not all, Cinema cameras in the box format have a fixed screen that is inferior to what BMD has done here. Honestly, the 6K Pro w/ battery grip is the perfect camera for you if you like black magic because it has prores and internal NDS. A lot of your complaints seem to stem from the fact that you keep referencing the pictures as a pocket camera when it is not intended to be that-- it was literally created to be rigged up how you like it. The Pyxis is targeting a totally different demographic and workflow. A competitor for this camera would be the komodo, kInfinity mavo, and I would even say the Alexa mini LF. Any AC or Cam op in the industry knows that Cinema cameras have to be rigged to get the most out of them.

They didn't miss the mark. The controversy is specifically between Indy solo shooters vs. production team shooters. The Pyxis is NOT meant to be a handycam with a little flip-out screen you take on your family vacation! Blackmagic will have an external camera control monitor soon. All REDs and all ARRIs have 7" control monitors on top. ARRI has their own camera control monitor the CCM-1 7” LCD screen. RED has their own DSMC2 and DSMC3 7.0" LCD screens. The Pyxis is a production set camera not a freak'in handycam.

@JoshSher_

2 ай бұрын

I agree that the Pyxis certainly is a success for certain scenarios. It’s just that your opinion that only “handycams” have built in flip-out screens isn’t shared by blackmagic themselves. They’re building flip-out screens into all the URSA models, including the new high end models, and you definitely don’t take them on your family vacation either…😂 That’s the main reason I’m confused… if BM had had a different approach from the start, it would make more sense to me. But yes, I’m sure it’s perfect for many situations. I just think it wouldn’t have hurt to have the screen flip out…

@andynonimuss6298

2 ай бұрын

@@JoshSher_ There's a lot of weekend warriors who really don't need more than a handycam, but yeah... I threw in that term for spiteful fun. :)

people will always complain no matter what

@twowheelslife5611

2 ай бұрын

People complains for reasons sometimes, what's the point to defend a company that voluntarily cripple their camera? As customers and people working with those tools we have all the rights to ask for something functional.

@ibrahimmomoh

2 ай бұрын

@@twowheelslife5611 so this is not functional? then dont buy it. get something that works for you its that simple. they have their customers that will find use for it.

@andynonimuss6298

2 ай бұрын

The controversy is specifically between Indy solo shooters vs. production team shooters. The Pyxis is NOT meant to be a handycam with a little flip-out screen you take on your family vacation!

@ibrahimmomoh

2 ай бұрын

@@andynonimuss6298 thank you. I dont understand why they are so mad when they still end up rigging it and add an extra monitor. the other box cameras on the market all get rigged out.

@twowheelslife5611

2 ай бұрын

@@andynonimuss6298 It's actually falling in a very limited and odd space. Production teams usually have enough budget to use more expensive and capable cameras, Indie solo shooters (aka filmmaker on a low budget) may be their target tho, if they can get along with the limitations BM wanted for this model (only Braw, slow sensor not ideal for fast paced shoots, heavily cropped 50p, only one mini XLR, and ofc the need to have an external screen always on top to at least see what they're shooting). Leaving aside the lack of NDs of the 6k pro and no AF whatsoever, only one SDI (need to use transmitter and monitor in series adding delay and potential issues).

well, most clients are stupid ; no need for a such cinema camera to do vertical content. It's silly, it's a cinema camera. The pyxis is not a pocket camera. All camera today shoot at least 4K, why are you waiting ? whatever you use, the footage will be heavily compress on all plateforms.

I agree, if you think of it as a rehoused 6k FF it’s pretty good. Similar to what lumix did with the s1h & bs1h. But as a cam or run and gun cam, it becomes a little harder/heavier/expensive to use vs a s1h or even the 6kFF lol it looks dope though! Great video man!

@jeremypope-levison721

3 ай бұрын

It definitely looks great. I'd love to try it out and see

so interested about how it will actually feel. dope video my guy

@jeremypope-levison721

3 ай бұрын

Definitely going to get my hands on one. These are my first reactions, but I want to actually get one and test it out for a week or so to see how I feel after using one.

Hello sir, i'm in the same situation as you. You talked about the new full frame lumix sensor camera. You advice me to wait that camera and when will be the launch ad you know ? Thanks a lot ! Best regards.

Great comments, and I agree with everything you brought up, but I would add horrible rolling shutters to the list as a major deal breaker for me. It made my decision to get the Komodo X a lot easier.

I been thinking about the Video assist as well... My Lumix already does 6k full frame over HDMI, it has IBIS, Autofocus, Better ISO performance, better battery situation, and I would only be out 800 bucks instead of 3k + (I would still need the video assist anyways, so not a bad start)

@jeremypope-levison721

2 ай бұрын

And you add that it can do 6k opengate anyway in the body, so super portable. This camera just doesn't appeal to me since for cheaper you can get the s5 ii x and video assist, and have braw 6k

Didn't even mention they only included ONE XLR. And it's a mini. I mean... why? I could live with the mini if it had TWO of them. This forces me to run external sound. Not a problem for a cinema rig build out, but then a bunch of the other features don't work for a cinema build out... like that battery option. They were so close... had the ball in their hands and just dropped it at the goal line.

@jeremypope-levison721

3 ай бұрын

The one mini xlr isn't great, but I run a zoom F3 on my rigs so I can have 32-bit float, so it's not a huge deal for me. I think the main point, like you mentioned, is it was so close yet they missed the mark

@PerroneFord

3 ай бұрын

@@jeremypope-levison721I mean yea, I have a Zoom F6, but I prefer not to have to run it ALL THE TIME. :) Even my cameras from 15 years ago gave me 2 XLRs. In fact, the BM camera they release a few months ago that this is based on has 2 XLRs. AND and HDMI port!

@jeremypope-levison721

3 ай бұрын

@@PerroneFord Yes that's true. I'm used to the Pocket 4K with one mini-XLR, or mirrorless with 0. But I agree more than one would have been nice. I think I wish they had made a full frame 6K ursa mini pro

@shawnmiller8169

2 ай бұрын

That's not unusual for a box style (or dedicated cinema) camera... the Red Komodo has a single 3.5mm audio jack, the Red Raptor has a single Lemo audio connector, the Z-Cam cameras have two 3.5mm audio jacks and a single Lemo connector, and the Arri 35 (and I think LF) have a single 3.5mm and 6 pin (I believe) audio connector.

You spoke about the battery being just like the Sony FX6, when, in fact, it is the exact same battery as the Sony, FX6

I would have paid double if they just put in ND's and autofocus. and a faster readout sensor

Nice video!

@jeremypope-levison721

3 ай бұрын

Thank you!

I think most of the people that complains about the quirks of this new model are BM enthusiastic that got pissed off by this company attitude. I'm one of them, willing to spend even more for something this small and compact but have to look somewhere else or wait for a new version that would hopefully give us a newer faster sensor, NDs and more codecs options to name a few.

@jeremypope-levison721

2 ай бұрын

Well for me more than that, I wanted an ursa 4.6k update. This camera is cool and I can see a use for it, but with BM this year it's either $3000, or $15,000. Where's the middle option?

@twowheelslife5611

2 ай бұрын

@@jeremypope-levison721 Strange even to me that they create no option in the middle, an update for the Ursa 4.6k would have been amazing. Who knows it would come later on.

@jeremypope-levison721

2 ай бұрын

@@twowheelslife5611 I hope it comes later. But I might pick up a 6k pro

these black magic camera s are just repackage pocket 4ks processors with different sensors added to them. they use cheap tricks like cropping into the sensor, instead of down-sampling, to get lesser formats and more frame rates. so, if you have some noises at open gate, you ll have big popcorn noises of the same image crop to 1080 for examlpe. Black magic carmera s do have a good image given adequate lighting condition. Blackmagic 6K Pro Pocket or Panasonic LUMIX S5IIx seem like a better value than the Pyxis for now.

@shawnmiller8169

2 ай бұрын

Most cameras use windowing for raw capture on Bayer pattern sensors (Red, Sony, Arri, etc.). That's one reason so many DP's shoot ProRes instead of raw. The camera (regardless of manufacturer) shoots full sensor and scales the image before capture in compressed formats (Prores, H.265 or whatever). Raw capture doesn't downsample or scale images, (otherwise it's not raw). The Ursa 12k S35, FF, and 17k 65mm can shoot at lower resolutions without windowing because they use RGBWW sensors instead of Bayer pattern sensors. When they do window, it's for use with S16 or S35 glass.

Dude its best to have the filters on the lens rather than the inside the camera body.

Yes, to me the approach of making an URSA mini “mini” would have made more sense, than just a BMCC 6K with a box shaped body and no screen to really shoot with… But hey, if you’re looking for a great A camera, the URSA 4.6K and 12K are still amazing value, especially if you buy them used. I’m probably gonna wait til summer when everybody will get their fancy Cine URSAs and the second hand market will be flooded with 12ks and 4.6ks. It will be ridiculous value… You have great dynamic range, a built in usable screen, internal NDs…

@jeremypope-levison721

3 ай бұрын

Yeah exactly. It just felt, lackluster in some ways. I actually might pick up an ursa, just bummed it doesn't shoot opengate. Thankfully my gh6 shoots opengate braw to a video assist so I could run both if needed.

@shawnmiller8169

2 ай бұрын

But people have been BEGGING BMD for exactly what they just released... the sensor from the Pocket Cinema Camera... in cine box style. I'm not so sure many people will let go of their G2's and s35 12ks for the Ursa Cine... the Ursa Mini (s35 4.6k and 12k) is a great single-operator camera... Ursa Cine is a beast for a different workflow and use case. I'm betting a lot of us Ursa Mini owners will continue operating our current cameras while renting the 12k FF and 17k. Those that can, will (probably) buy the Cine model and use the "OG" Minis as B cams. at least that's my plan (right now). PYXYS looks interesting as a B or C cam. Looking forward to holding one in my hands. 🙂

Where are you. Looks gorgeous

Humans are insatiable. Also, folks like to take the opposite stand for relevancy sake.

1. The Design was made to be Rigged its not a Pocket Potable camera. 2.Why would need ProRes when you have BRAW. Unless you are a FinalCut Pro editor. Losing ProRes is not a bigdeal for me. 3. I agree with u on the battery they should have sticked to the V mount, are way better.

@blackicestudios

3 ай бұрын

Many shooters don’t edit their work. Very few ‘clients’ can handle any form of raw . They just want normal interleaved files like ProRes or H.264 to work with.

@jeremypope-levison721

3 ай бұрын

So I realize it was meant to be rigged, but it's a small light camera that should be able to be portable too. I don't think asking for the flip out screen like an ursa is too much. I rig my cameras mostly, but I do sometimes need a lighter set up for run and gun work and that eliminates this camera for me. As for the prores, as I mention in the video, I've worked with clients in the past who don't wanna deal with the raw workflow. If I'm handing off files, they want something easy sometimes and request prores. So with my GH6, S5 II X, or pocket 4ks I can shoot in prores and hand it off. But I also prefer braw to prores anyway, it's just sometimes editors need a certain codec.

@KBlaze

3 ай бұрын

The Blackmagic cameras are the Cheap versions of Arri cameras and REDs. They are Cinema Cameras not Hybrids like the Sony A series or the Lumix lineups, they are meant for shoots Like Short Films, Music Video, TV Shows or feature films where Image quality is Prioritized than ergonomics. If you notice the functionality of Blackmagic cameras are lining towards REDs or other High end Cameras instead of hybrid cameras. So yeah if you shoot spots,Documentaries, Weddings or any Run and gun type of shoots. The Sony A series or Lumix are the best choices for that. Yea so think of a PYXIS as a Cheap RED or ARRI.

@KBlaze

3 ай бұрын

@@jeremypope-levison721 so the screen on the side was meant for functionality purposes while for viewing you can always use the viewfinder or an external monitor just like the REDs or ARRIs.

@jeremypope-levison721

3 ай бұрын

@@KBlaze As someone who has used blackmagic cameras his entire career, I know they can be used for tons of different shoots. That's why I love the Pocket system and the Ursas. This one just feels a bit out of place to me. But these are my opinions. Everyone can have their own, I just wanted to share my thoughts about this camera as someone who has been waiting for a box camera from blackmagic and waiting for a main camera for my work. I personally won't buy one, but it's still blackmagic. It'll give you great images, it gives you opengate, easy menus, good dynamic range among other things

Dear Blackmagic: Ditch the glued on screen, ship it with a USB-C monitor for navigating menus, keep physical buttons for changing some basic settings without the screen, make it BS1H size. That would be a competitive box camera. The Pyxis is way too bloated for having BMPCC 6k guts. You guys have so many good features going for you, but ergonomics has never been one of them.

For starters -- if something is a BOX-CAM -- then it cannot be, at the same time, a POCKET-CAM. You do not pocket a box, see?

I admire you going out and making this video, but you should not be giving advice on cameras. I can tell you have very little experience working with different cameras. Sony FX6 does not come with a V-Mount it comes with a BPU and so does the RED Komodo, you can always add a plate or adaptor V-Mount battery onto it, or if you are like me you just use the same one you were using with your BMPCC4k or 6k or 6k FF same 2 pin Lemo to D-TAP as the whole line of pocket cameras. But I forgot you complain about the battery not being V-Mount then complain about rigging the camera out??? That is what we call a contradiction. The BPU is there to hot swap V-Mount Batteries so the camera never shuts off while changing batteries and when plugged into the V-Mount will be recharged. That is generally how the pro's do it on the ARRI Alexa and others, If you ever worked on a professional set you would of seen that. The only difference is on the Alexa you have to plug in a large Anton Bauer brick with a 4pin XLR. You don't understand how pissy clients and directors get if they ever see that camera turn off during the day, plus its such a slow start up time it is a must to power it all day. Internal ND's are cheap glass and are not full spectrum. There is nothing worse than throwing cheap glass in front of a nice sensor that goes for any filters, ND's, Soft FX, and Lenses. Internal ND is for broadcasters and documentarians who cannot change ND's on the front of the lens quickly, although in todays world your better off with a VND, not like I'm a big fan of them put great in a pinch. Everything everyone complains about shows how little experience each person has in the professional world. Why have SDI instead of HDMI why does it come with a PL Mount I hate PL Mount, why does it have multiple types of media recording, why is it not run and gun put I want to rig it out, why no autofocus (because auto focus is shit, I want to tell the camera what to do not some fing computer AI which is often wrong and always fishing focus) why is the screen fixed on the side that is a question from someone who never operated a camera on a dolly. Experience will answer all your complaints instead of click-baiting for views.

@cinebirdfrance6378

Ай бұрын

I agree but not on your comment on autofocus. A lot of DoP’s have seen already its benefits in multiple situations. Try to hold the eye sharp with a 135mm, F1.8 on a person walking towards the camera…You won’t.

Sorry, but your opinion is not that logical...

@KBlaze

3 ай бұрын

Yea the only logical opinion he made was about the ND and the V-Mount Battery, the rest just felt he was ranting for the sake of ranting or he wanted to stand out from the rest of the Videos 😅😅

From what I hear the camera has horrible rolling shutter… Lousy in low light… And poor dynamic range. Beautiful looking box but the rest of it is crap.

black magic doesnt care what you think

This camera is not for client-based videography. period. If you're trying to get an indie feature made, if your goal is Sundance, and your heroes are John Cassavetes or Robert Rodriguez, buy this camera. (or convince your aspiring DP friend to buy this camera as Directors don't need to own cameras, it's a bad investment) If your goal is corporate video and your heroes are popular KZreadrs who shoot promo videos for their local Yoga studio on Red cameras....buy a video camera. This. is. a. cinema. camera. Fiction, narrative-based filmmaking. Yes, it still exists and it has nothing to do with social media content.

Just FYI, NDs are not in the 6k FF and the Pyxis is because it is not possible with the sensor size and flange distance in the L-mount. The reason NDs are in the 6k pro is because it's an EF mount and the flange space allows enough space to add them. So since they are offering no NDs on one mount why offer it in the others when they just invested in the L-mount. Hope this helps you understand.

@CallMeRabbitzUSVI

2 ай бұрын

The FX6 and Burano has built in Nds and the flange distance is smaller than L Mount (Sony 17mm vs L Mount 20mm) it's not that it's not possible. It's that they don't want the Pyxis to cannibalize sales from the Ursa. Hence why the side screen doesn't articulate while the Bigger brother does

Not hating on your video or your thoughts, but I don't get it. People want everything in a cube form and don't want to pay top dollar for all these demanded features. The small cube shape wont allow for in camera filters. So add them. People want a rotating screen. So if you want a better monitor add one. Sadly BMD has a lot of money tight, toxic customers who demand everything but don't have the money to pay for it. This is a BMD problem they caused themselves when they try to make cameras so cheap that everyone wants ARRI quality with all the features but don't want to pay for it. The PYXIS is a build camera. You add and custom to your own shooting style. Personally I hate cube cameras. They look cheap and have a uni student fan base. Now looking at the new 12K and 17K. Those are cameras

So much whining. Did you complain about the red Komodo for over 13 minutes for the lack of ND? I would spend less time complain and more time working on your editing and color grading. You could've made a compelling short in this same amount of time. Side note, Braw is a smaller file size than pro-res. Do some research before you make a video next time.

99.999999% high end cameras on movie sets/locations all over the world, have a thing called "Matt box". That's for all the filter you'll ever need. That debunks all the rubbish about not having built in ND filter people are whining about. 13 stops is more than enough because this camera is made for controlled environment, so the scenes can be lit properly. FYI, Hollywood DPs never go pass 400 ISO/ASA, they don't care about 20,000 ISO... so, that killed the complaint about low lights capability people are also whining about. Screen on the side? On top, they gave options to mount a monitor or use the EVF (your choice)...that kills that side screen complaints. WHAT ELSE? Bottom line, this camera is not for run and gun shooters or KZread content creators...if you are not making movies, or commercials or high end music videos, this camera is not for you. Period! Why did I say all this? Well, because I have over 8 features films under my belt. And I can't wait for this camera to be available.