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@aquafina6544

4 жыл бұрын

What is cis?

@ethne1874

4 жыл бұрын

aqua fina cis (short for cisgender) means someone who identifies with the gender assigned to them at birth. “Cisgender has its origin in the Latin-derived prefix cis-, meaning "on this side of", which is the opposite of trans-, meaning "on the other side of".”

@nenarafj

4 жыл бұрын

I remember a video where Kim expressed the desire to write a book about beauty as capital. This conversation could be a whole chapter.

@ForHarriet619

4 жыл бұрын

@@candyjamaican Whether you join the Patreon or watch the video, I still get paid. So thank you for your contribution.

@angie7486

4 жыл бұрын

love this conversation

I’m so happy Kat can finally ask “right?” and have someone tell her she’s right

@KatBlaque

4 жыл бұрын

Lol don't drag meeeee

@rjahsir

4 жыл бұрын

Kat Blaque I will if you don’t make more sewing videos!!!!

@roxywyndham

4 жыл бұрын

Kat Blaque hey girl hey, love hearing your voice and your minds

@cuteycuteylala

4 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha this is so funny. I love Kat's 'right'

The way Kat said "I won't collab with your favourite youtuber" and then collabed with my favourite youtuber

@Killercupcake100

4 жыл бұрын

Just thinking about this

@tp2005

4 жыл бұрын

YES. LOL!

@mylesmendoza7730

4 жыл бұрын

LITERALLY!!!! AHAHA

@sevenone32

4 жыл бұрын

100%!

@angie7486

4 жыл бұрын

i thought this too! ❤️

For Harriet doing a video with Kat Blaque??? My worlds have collided!!

@kdlane4046

4 жыл бұрын

Same 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

@konway17

4 жыл бұрын

I’ve been stanning kat since 2015 so I can’t believe this is even happening

@Ash2theB

4 жыл бұрын

It was bound to happen. I was waiting for this.

@serenity6831

3 жыл бұрын

When worlds collide 🧽

Kat: I’m NOT going to be collabing with your favorite KZread’s Two days later Kat: appears on ForHarriet, one of my favorite youtubers

@Social_Pugatory

4 жыл бұрын

This was me watching that video like awww I respect it Kat...well I guess we’ll never get the For Harri- OMG ITS KAT AND KIM!! *clicks immediately*

@schoolhookeygirl

4 жыл бұрын

@@Social_Pugatory Haha same!

@serenity6831

4 жыл бұрын

Omg she Rick Rolled us

@JRFSDX

4 жыл бұрын

I just thought about that video lol

@ijm1261

4 жыл бұрын

We love a plot twist!

Omg kat blaque and kim. Best crossover ever. Edit: also I loved what L’lerrét had to say

@vanialee6881

4 жыл бұрын

My two favs 🥺

@obscurity87

4 жыл бұрын

Right?!?!?!?! Love them both

@destineesimone8449

4 жыл бұрын

We stan!

@imanib.1833

4 жыл бұрын

I'm sooo happy rn! Can't wait to watch. Thx for inviting these guests kim!

@deathsheadcashew

4 жыл бұрын

Omg when I saw Kat I was SO EXCITED.

i am a black trans person and this space/conversation meant a lot to me

@Ilikefrogs..

4 жыл бұрын

We love you!

@OhMyChord

4 жыл бұрын

Katharine Myers ❤️❤️

@cspeak2me

4 жыл бұрын

We love you...and love this video

@tyracole1998

4 жыл бұрын

💕

@seximofo90

4 жыл бұрын

💜💜💜

When gay marriage was finally legalized a few years ago, I shared the posts about this huge win! Well a gym friend asked me if was "non-straight" I was SHOCKED. Not because she asked me but because of the way she was asking me. Like she would not want to be my friend if I did identify with the LGBTQ+ community. I told her, in front of the entire locker room lol "I don't care who you or anyone wants to be, as long as you're not oppressing anyone." She just walked away and we never talked again. 🤷🏽‍♀️🤷🏽‍♀️ I don't need to be a Black trans woman to support y'all ✊🏾

@dog5221

4 жыл бұрын

Yesss *this* 💛

@blackgirlburntout

4 жыл бұрын

Yes! This! Thank you!

@nounepierre963

4 жыл бұрын

@Love 23Amazedfirst off they are transwomen not men and also this sounds like some ridiculous conspiracy theories on the levels of fema camps.

@brib6046

4 жыл бұрын

Love 23Amazed lol so you think a cis woman’s punch would not hurt? I wish we could test this out

@EllieBobbit

4 жыл бұрын

@@maatsun trans people are very aware of their biology - do you think they aren't? It's a pretty huge part of what makes them trans, after all. But the lived experience of a women goes BEYOND biology. Trans women and cis women have more in common with eachother than either group have with cis men. Trans women experience many of the same levels of sexism and misogyny as cis women do, as well as a whole host of other prejudices. Literally NO ONE is saying that trans women and cis women are EXACTLY the same. But they are oppressed in many of the same ways - so it seems a shame to not be united in a front against that oppression, don't ya think? It's so frustrating how everyone comes out with this BORING non-argument of 'they have male biology and it can't be changed' - when 1. some of it can and 2. the bits that can't (chromosomes, menstruation) are not what we use to define our LIVED EXPERIENCE of gender. People be like 'have they ever had a painful period or had a baby? then they aren't a woman' - PLEASE. Trans people make up LESS THAN ONE PERCENT of women. A FAR HIGHER percentage are childless, don't feel pain on their period, or don't have periods at all. People be like 'well they still have a womb' - most of us know what is like to 'feel like a girl' before we even know what a womb is. Funnily enough, this organ that I can't feel or see very rarely enters my mind when I think of all the challenges that come with being a cis woman. Furthermore - if a man EVER tried to define our gender by our periods or baby making facilities, we would quite rightly tell them that they are being misogynist arseholes, and that there is far more to the lived experience of being a woman than just having ovaries. Yet when trans women enter the chat, apparently those super simplistic, misogynistic arguments are totally OK, because now they're being used to exclude trans women. WAKE UP. Kat Blaque has said MANY TIMES in her videos that she has no interest being in spaces that don't want her. She is totally on board with cis women having their own spaces to talk about the experiences that relate to their biology. Stop acting like trans people wanna invade your spaces - I'm sure most trans people don't want to be around you because you are so obviously hostile towards them. However, if you're gonna do that, you should expect some criticism. Get real, most of the things women talk about in 'women only spaces' apply to trans women anyway. We spend VERY LITTLE time talking about our periods - so excluding trans women from conversations in which they are relevant and have a perspective is just churlish. The lack of compassion in this chat for a group of people who are so vulnerable is staggering. Grow up.

I've already loved Kim and Kat for forever but where has L'lerret been hiding?! Get this woman a ted talk immediately. I'm in love

@tp2005

4 жыл бұрын

She is brilliant!

@nat-fs3ms

4 жыл бұрын

i love her so much 💕💕

@AmandaabnamA

4 жыл бұрын

Fr fr

@GigiMurakami

4 жыл бұрын

Yesssss!!!!!

@Social_Pugatory

2 жыл бұрын

The way she broke that thang down to its proton and electrons in under 5 minutes I have no choice but to STAN! ❤️

YOURE KIDDING ME my stannery is at an all time high

@tkhachi

4 жыл бұрын

Riiiiigghhht?!

@jameehannah3688

4 жыл бұрын

Same!

@dreamskeepmesane2729

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly!

L'erret and Kat have such different approaches to these discussions it's very interesting. I'm glad Kim invited two guests for this one.

@serenity6831

4 жыл бұрын

I noticed that too!

Hey Kim, would you ever do a segment on Black *Intersex* Women? Cis and Trans Women have been talked about a lot I’ve seen throughout the Internet, but I never seen Intersex Women get talked about throughout the KZread. And if outside of Intersex Women and Men talking about their experiences (literally one of the most viewed videos on YT is a Black Intersex Woman who had to flee Africa because of bigotry), the other videos of Intersex Women are people being very uneducated about them. Every time I see people say “This is a platform for all Women, Cis and Trans.” I kinda get sad that people gloss over Intersex Girls. I know Cis and Trans deal more with Gender vs. Intersex dealing with Sex, but I wish they wouldn’t be as disclosed from conversation.

No one can force anything on Black women and their spaces. Kindness and support is a baseline for sharing our humanity NOT to obliterate our distinctive differences and established safe spaces.

"Infinity wars is the most ambitious crossover in history" Kim:

@tkhachi

4 жыл бұрын

🤣 Kim is dedicated to quality content!!

For some reason you got me in tears, I'm a gay latino man from Nicaragua but I can empathize with you and i wish we could have some shots and laugh. I'm just so happy people can speak, just speak and express what we feel no matter what other people say. I just feel you are full of love.

@rachaelbenhasenn4460

2 жыл бұрын

Sending much love to you 💕

As a black nonbinary person, thank you for this! ✊🏾🏳️‍🌈

@crystalleyvonne818

4 жыл бұрын

Anyway..I’m a black non-binary person too! Much love and support to you ❤️

@crazywoollady9325

4 жыл бұрын

@@louloudemondemon296 Becoming? Honey, trans and non binary people have been around since the dawn of time! In a lot of cultures around the world we've been able to be out and proud without any issues too. In my culture we've historically often held roles of mediators and healers because we're better equipped to understand the whole range of gender experience than cis people. Those are usually elevated positions within the culture, like doctors and psychologists today. My culture recognizes 5 genders, some recognize as many as 7, most recognize gender and sexuality as a spectrum at least though. It's actually a fairly recent thing for us to be a (sometimes closeted) minority. I'd be happy to help you find resources if this is new information to you. Sending love to all the other black and brown trans and non binary folks here in the comments!

@dog5221

4 жыл бұрын

Yesss I love this crossover! Also anyone wanting to learn more about non binary people, Luxander here on KZread does videos about their experiences being enby. Also Gender Adventures on KZread covers Agender and Bigender stuff, which is a lesser known community.

@chrisholmes3791

4 жыл бұрын

Same. Another black non-binary person here as well ❤️🏳️‍🌈

@s0Shi

4 жыл бұрын

As a (non-black) enby, I’m so glad to see you in the comments! Wishing you the best 💞💞

Kat: "I remember I used to shop lift makeup 😬" Kim: "Girl me too 😂😂😂" L'Lerrét: "I still do 😐" I died laughing

I think black Cis women need their own space, trans women need their own space and we should also have a space where we can come together. Trans women have issues different from cis women and cis women have issues that trans women will never experience. Its ok to have our own space just make sure there is a space where we can all come together.

@prikas4313

4 жыл бұрын

This makes sense to me but also I would like to know what issues cis women face that are not also faced biologically by trans men or socially by trans women

@Dgyrl4ever

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly! It doesn't have to be complicated at all.

@tonyt1680

4 жыл бұрын

@@prikas4313 For one maternal fatalities in the health care industry

@prikas4313

4 жыл бұрын

@@tonyt1680 Some trans men choose to carry children though and also face this issue

@prikas4313

4 жыл бұрын

@@ldezi15 They should have their own community obviously, but if you are talking about biological issues regarding cis women, it would just be exclusionary to leave them out

I think everyone is missing why women, specifically black women are conditioned from birth to do all the work. How our mothers raise their daughters and love their sons. Balck women are taught feom a young age are taught to put everyone else first. Trans women never had to undergo that. Its a conversation worth having

@HEIRLESSful

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely YES! This is a great point.

@Mika-jd3yb

4 жыл бұрын

Marsha's Plate would be a good podcast for you. They have discussed this multiple times.

@k.d3983

4 жыл бұрын

Shortest Giraffe If you care more about being called a transphobe then actually being one, then you’re part of the problem. Also, if you create a space to not include trans people solely because they’re trans and you find them to be a threat, then you’re a transphobe. I find cis black women to be funny...one minute some of y’all complain about being oppressed and the next y’all get so threatened by trans women and start to see them how others view y’all.

@nounepierre963

4 жыл бұрын

@Shortest Giraffe I tried to have a respectful discussion on a popular channel with an opposing view and was called a man and told to leave.

@kimberlyskits7241

4 жыл бұрын

@@k.d3983 no, no. I'm far from threatened.

(Slightly Less Controversial) Spark Notes of the Comments so far: Trans women and cis women should be allowed their own separate spaces given that they have separate issues that may impact each group; however, both should show respect for each other's womanhood and stand in unity.

@orchidopoly8508

4 жыл бұрын

No hate here, but could you give some examples for issues that are unique to cis women?

@tp2005

4 жыл бұрын

(Just worth pointing out, for anyone who in these comments who hasn't watched the full video...this, specific comment was directly addressed in the video. In fact, it seemed clear that Kim introduced the question to discuss this, specifically because she knew this comment would come up)

@louenatnine51

4 жыл бұрын

@@tp2005 Correct, it seems some people may have been turned off by the video, however, given that some cis-women and the women in this video have different opinions on this query.

@xx-em1ys

4 жыл бұрын

@@honeybee7855 as a cis woman i personally don't menstruate & i cannot get pregnant, does this mean i shouldnt be in a space for women??? being a cis woman is not the monolith yall make it out to be, there are vast differences in experiences in EVERY type of group and fragmenting everyone into microidentities who have to stick to themselves is rlly not the way forward

@louenatnine51

4 жыл бұрын

x x I agree with your statement about women’s experiences varying, but do you also not believe we can both coalesce as well as have our separate spaces? Outside of reproduction, there are certain experiences that my trans friends can’t really relate to or haven’t run into yet (two are newly positioning themselves in their identity); therefore, I generally don’t try to fit into trans women’s more exclusive spaces. If you think this idea is controversial, would you be willing to discuss why with me?

I will always stand with my trans sisters because they get too much hate and violence thrown there way by our own people and many more.

@NamiBluee

4 жыл бұрын

And me with you 😭🖤🖤

@ThemisThoth

4 жыл бұрын

I will let you both take the lead here.

@MSMETALBABY

4 жыл бұрын

Same

@avggamer86

4 жыл бұрын

@@livewell-xt5xr trans men exist but aren't being killed and left un-investigated. Plus patriarchy still exist. So male privilege is obtained by all men, trans men too

@kianaolive

4 жыл бұрын

Redbon e 🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅

This was such a needed and great conversation. I’m a big fan of Kat and Kim, so here for the collab and thanks for introducing me to L’Lerret. 🙏🏾❤️🙌🏾

When it comes to being respected, we are at the bottom and STILL can't have our own space.

@serenity6831

4 жыл бұрын

Our own space based on what? Our vaginas? Our "real" womanhood?

@mikaylaraymond3173

3 жыл бұрын

@@elisekayla5025 One black Trans women are women if you're having a space for black women black Trans women are included. I don't know why that's so hard to understand

Kat and Kim yesssssss

@ThemisThoth

4 жыл бұрын

Yes.

@lorettahoffmann4226

4 жыл бұрын

I saw the notification and had to double take.

@KatBlaque

4 жыл бұрын

♥️

@runawayshay6409

4 жыл бұрын

Kat + Kim 🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡

@Raven_Che

4 жыл бұрын

@bertas uloz I was about to say that!!!!!

Kat Blaque stated what I feel so few have: would the nation cry out for justice if it were a Black trans woman that was slain by police? Would they really fight for them with the same fervor? As Kat mentioned, there are countless Black trans woman that were killed and never got their justice. I have noticed that there is little more than a moment of silence before society moves on and forgets about her heartbreaking death. I have hope that soon this narrative will change.

@AuntAgatha0fullmoon

4 жыл бұрын

De ee if you gonna cape for black women, you gotta do it for all black women, which includes black trans women lol. That’s just fucking logic lol. Did you even go to school?

@TygaShawty

4 жыл бұрын

Brittany Doss amen sister

@tracysbaby265

4 жыл бұрын

@@bluerobot3806 it ain't hate. We see the game thats being played. Call me when white women asian women Hispanic and otherwise have to deal with this.

@tracysbaby265

4 жыл бұрын

@@brittanydoss1799 SAY THAT!

@k.d3983

4 жыл бұрын

Brittany Doss In that case fight for yourself, because a lot of black women don’t even have each other’s backs.

Where is the historical evidence that precolonial African nations didn’t have a gender binary, or ideas of gender similar to that of today? Keep in mind that there were many different nations across Africa. Where are you guys getting this idea from?

@fruitmonsterfly1

4 жыл бұрын

grace there is evidence. You can look it up on the internet. And I’m African and was told stories about gender nonconformity in my own tribe before colonization. Of course they used different words back then, but they didn’t see gender the way we do today. So please do some research if you can, and don’t erase my history. I’m very proud of it.

@themillenialwordsmith8022

4 жыл бұрын

@@fruitmonsterfly1 I am African too, and you're proving my point exactly. You know of your own tribe, I too know of the diverse ideas of gender and sex of some ethnic groups from my country. But how does this prove that gender binary is wholly white supremacist?

@milkandspice1074

4 жыл бұрын

@@themillenialwordsmith8022 It's not. I think people take whatever is "bad" in society as coming only from supremacy. WS is bad and widespread but crap attitudes can come and does come from all over the world.

@themillenialwordsmith8022

4 жыл бұрын

@@milkandspice1074 This is one of my biggest problems with Kim and her camp: They know black cultural elements have persisted, they know black people have created all types of things, languages, skills, trends ect. through colonization and through racist policies. Yet, when there are things they don't like that are common, these things come only from white suppremacy, black people didn't have any part in their conception, and the ideas themselves is oppressive.

@Jenna1394

4 жыл бұрын

They won't answer this. Because they KNOW they're bullshitting.

WHO is this L'Lerret Jazelle Ailith person? She is gorgeous and my envy is at an all time high. She kind of resembles the GlamTwins here on KZread.

@RhomboMus

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed! She's fantastic!

@kawaiijones6571

4 жыл бұрын

T Ric She***

@nounepierre963

4 жыл бұрын

@@t-roe421 stupid

@mcs0519

4 жыл бұрын

the difference is she had 300 surgery to look like them they we're born this way with their beauty.

@leeema5119

3 жыл бұрын

mcs0519 no she didn’t, she transitioned young and had a little rhinoplasty. Let’s be real most black/mixed Instagram models get surgeries but they don’t look like her 🤷🏾

My question is how does including transwomen etc in cis-women spaces benefit cis-women? I feel like the same point of not having to justify your womanhood to transwomen, to see that concept become an abstract thing that can be applied to anything, can be made as well.

@brianabellissima1264

4 жыл бұрын

There is no benefit, it’s all about them. I question the “women” who try to push this narrative. She is not for women she is for LGBTQ

@mikasjewels5772

4 жыл бұрын

The benefit is that we are stronger if we work together AND the same transphobia rhetoric/abuse used for trans women is also used against cis women. I.e masculine, unfavorable, ugly,inhumane etc. Just look up any article about Serena Williams!!!

@brianabellissima1264

4 жыл бұрын

Mika Fryer except we know Serena is a biological woman.. so what is your point?

@smartypants261

4 жыл бұрын

Lol really “how does including people who are also experiencing violence that are observably similar to our violences teach us about how we can end that violence and keep ourselves from repeating their harm by using the same tools and simply devolving into the the harm we’re trying to escape” “how does learning to create a small-scale environment of empathy and mutual understanding actually make us better people, more prepared for revolution, and more importantly what comes after it” if those are the questions you’re really trying to answer then you don’t even need to ask that banal question of yours.

@Lafemmefutile

4 жыл бұрын

donutangel0 xxxo I could have done without the condescending tone. My point is it benefits transwomen to be included WITH CISWOMEN, not the other way around. They are trying to access the protection/advantages (as little as it is) that women have and are actively rooting to divorce the idea of womanhood from cis women. It seems to me they are dismantling our identity, not helping it. If I’m activist and need to select allies, I will not pick people who are actively trying to change my identity even negating it. We select allies that reinforce us, not dilute us.

oh my god Kat and Kim doing a video together oh my goodness crossover of the DECADE

@ThemisThoth

4 жыл бұрын

Right. Geeking.

@vanialee6881

4 жыл бұрын

Omg same!!! I thought I was the only one freaking out but clearly not by the judge of these comments haha 😂

@taramartin6596

Жыл бұрын

Up u8

Kat and Kim??? Kim and Kat?? I've been healed.

This talk didn't just open my eyes, it opened my heart. Thank you for that!

"Black" women and "black" transgender women have and need to maintain separate spaces. Period. JUSTICE FOR BREONNA TAYLOR!!!♀️✊🏾

I theoretically agree with all of these points but I still feel some type of way about the fact that cis black women are always expected to do better and give so much when we don't see that in return. Like L'Leret's comment about doubting the true intention of these spaces irked me and was kinda condescending because it's like...really you don't think we're thinking of the bigger picture, systematically? Also, black women have suffered from body dysmorphia since the dawn of time. Obviously we have privilege but the need to be hyperfeminine to survive is something all black women go through at some point. Like there is a fundamental misunderstanding of our experiences. Shouldn't there be a similar movement encouraging cis black men to open up their spaces? We all know it won't happen because again, cis black women have always/are expected to do better. Like Kat said, black folks BARELY cared about Breonna so shouldn't there be a little bit of understanding (and transphobia is wrong) as to why some black women are so defensive of these spaces?

@AuntAgatha0fullmoon

4 жыл бұрын

If you wanna talk about Black trans men, why not talk about Tony McDade, a black trans man who was murdered on June 2nd, right at the start of the protests, but has barely been mentioned by ANYBODY (other than at the marches explicitly linked to Pride marches). Trans men in general fear the violence of cis men to the extent that the majority tend to aim for stealth. Of course, because of the pervasiveness of transmisogyny, trans women are hyper visible and constantly scrutinized by society, a phenomenon which has no equivalent for trans men, consequently making it easier for trans men to be stealth. This is why combatting transmisogyny is vital and why the situation of trans men and women aren’t exactly analogous. And to your last point I’ll just say, “for the privileged, equality is oppression”.

@AuntAgatha0fullmoon

4 жыл бұрын

DS lol sorry. I just saw so many transphobes in this comment section and maybe I got a bit carried away lol. You’re making a lot of valid points. The reason I brought up the differences between trans women and trans men is because they have different experiences with erasure and hyper visibility and scrutiny, thereby making the conversations around them different as well. Due to transmisogyny, trans women are perpetual objects of scrutiny, scorn, speculation, and discussion. This makes passing, and just living your life really fucking hard. This hyper visibility also incentivizes loud advocacy in a way that erasure does not, which is the reason I believe there are more trans advocates who are women. Trans men tend to see disappearing into society as being in their best interests, and they’re not wrong. That’s why the conversation is skewed. I absolutely believe cis men need to be held more accountable for their part in violence against trans people. You’re not gonna find any arguments from me there lol. Also, I think I interpreted Kat’s statements differently from the way you did. I thought she meant that she felt weird showing up for BLM when it’s clear that ALL black lives don’t seem to matter an equal amount, and I think she was using Breonna as an illustration of the fact that even cis black women are undervalued by movements which are ostensibly fighting for black lives. Idk what she truly meant in her heart lol, but if she meant what I think she meant that makes sense. Also, about Kat not taking the initiative to invite cis women on her platform, she hasn’t been doing many collabs recently. But I remember her talking to cis women about transracial adoption in her earlier videos. I just personally don’t think those are equivalent things to ask. I think most people watching Kat’s videos interested in black feminist issues watch at least one cis black female content creator, whereas I think it’s a lot more probable that cis black women have never really spoken to or heard a trans person just talk about random shit. KennieJD recently made a video about how she discovered Kat’s channel and just hearing her talk about dating just made transness so much less abstract and humanized trans people. I don’t think that has a reciprocal equivalent to the way trans people view cis people. All of us know at least one cis person. Chances are we were born to them. Also, trans people generally tend to self segregate just cause as a general rule of thumb, if someone isn’t vocally supportive of you, they’re probably transphobic. And I don’t need that energy in my life you know. So I’m not going to fault a trans person for not going out of their way to stir up that shitstorm. However Kat has always been dedicated to productive conversations which is why she talked to Kimberley. Idk, I feel like we might actually agree on a lot. Either way, sorry for being a dick earlier, and it was nice having a normal conversation on the internet 😂

@debbie6074

4 жыл бұрын

@@AuntAgatha0fullmoon thank you for these points. I hadn't thought about them. it's cool the internet can be polarizing by accident sometimes :)

@femmechatnoir863

3 жыл бұрын

Okay and I can respond to this with why do cis black women think that cis black men should protect them? Being a black man doesn’t equate to having to be attracted to black women or protect them.

@joelle4226

3 жыл бұрын

@@femmechatnoir863 I think it’s just saying black people should stand up for one another. Black women have always been fighting for the rights of black men while black men don’t really do the same

Cis women have had to create spaces for themselves before trans-womanhood was even a conversation. You can't party on every set. If it is ok for safe spaces for my trans women it should be ok for cis women to have spaces without it being transphobic. There can be a coming together ...intersex convos and spaces but every one can create a platform for themselves that does not include hatefulness toward anyone else. Beside that we can all respect peoples personhood. We are all deserving of life, safety and equality. 🖤🖤🖤Im rooting for the day where all women don't have to fight for their safety & peace.

@diedrebanks9544

4 жыл бұрын

Autumn Potato No it’s not because black women are not white with white privilege. Trans women may be able to relate to cis women on some things but there are enough unique experiences that we can and should have our own spaces. Intersectional spaces should exist too but there is nothing wrong with exclusive areas for each.

@samanthaepps6365

4 жыл бұрын

@Autumn Potato you say that as if they don't already have their spaces, heck sundown towns still exist

@nopenopeagain6869

4 жыл бұрын

@Autumn Potato does it make sense to compare biological women to white people when bio women are oppressed for their sexual reproductive system. White people are not oppressed for being white, so where is the logic in this comparison?

@LoveJadybug

4 жыл бұрын

what is your purpose for excluding trans women? are you aiming this space be open to afab people who dont id as women?

@CHOCOCAT8444

4 жыл бұрын

@Autumn Potato dont grasp for straws it weakens your argument. White people can do what they want if it was not rooted in hatefulness toward other people but it usually is. This is comparing apples to pineapples.

So glad Kim always has good and substantive conversations. Everyone has the right to feel whatever they want to feel. So here is mine:. ALL BLACK LIVES MATTER and that's the end of it. Trans women are not a threat to me in anyway. I respect trans woman and all members of the LGBTQ community. We have got to get away from the notion that my very existence or me fighting for rights is a personal attack? ??? Trans women want, deserve and desperately need rights, protection and equality. I pray they get it and that we all do. AGAIN TRANS WOMEN ARE NOT A THREAT. They just want to exist:FREELY.

@zeefaaldown3231

4 жыл бұрын

❤💕

@dumfriesspearhead7398

4 жыл бұрын

It's actually ONLY BLACK MEN'S LIVES MATTER. Breonna Taylor's murder has been turned into a meme. So black women's lives are completely disrespected, let alone Black Trans Women. (BTW). And what about the role of BM in supporting BTW?

@dd8645

4 жыл бұрын

Tara Speaks Period

@k.d3983

4 жыл бұрын

Shortest Giraffe When you say women, you’re including trans women, queer women, disabled women, rich women, poor women, nice women, mean women, etc. What you’re referring to is Cisgender women, and y’all want a space for only cis women. On the surface it’s fine, but why would y’all want your own space? If y’all want to discuss certain issues that cis women face, then that’s not an issue because that’s a valid reason to do so. What’s not fair is denying trans women to be part of that space just because you don’t like them or see them as a threat.

@Cynthia-hk2oc

4 жыл бұрын

@@k.d3983 thank you so much for this. I think your objectors like the one above me really have convinced themselves that the cis experience is so wholly unique it needs a separate space. As a cis person I seriously don't understand???? Pregnancy and "biological" events can still be discussed in these spaces! The vast majority of women are cis, cis experiences dominate regardless! And these convos, would they include trans men? Big doubt. At best it would be a conversion therapt session. So with all this said I can only imagine how gaslit trans women feel about it. Either way people like myself are just not fucking with those spaces anyways and have felt something in them for awhile (not to mention other women in the LGBT+ community). I don't even wanna "cancel" them I want inclusive spaces to grow and prosper so much terf spaces go out with a wimper.

Are ppl REALLY STILL saying she "tricked him" or "he didn't know" , still , in 2020 ?!?

@youareenough4978

4 жыл бұрын

Well if it is still happening why would people stop saying it?

@kennethwilliams3911

3 жыл бұрын

@@youareenough4978 it’s not happening

Black trans woman are not the same as biological black women but should have all civil rights and freedoms of all people point blank period but to want black women's to help them achieve this then on your you tube channel and say the same black women who help you want are jealous of trans women is a slap in the face

Some people dont want equality, they're mad about not being top dog, which is evidenced by how quickly they are ready to oppress/exclude others but in the same breath complain about that happening to them.

@schoolhookeygirl

4 жыл бұрын

That part.

@chrisholmes3791

4 жыл бұрын

PERIODT

@chrisholmes3791

4 жыл бұрын

Khaos Dancer a black person not wanting to be “lumped in” with other black people? Sounds like you don’t want equality and are just proving the point

@4myxo579

4 жыл бұрын

Khaos Dancer you’re NOT a woman, you are a BLACK woman.... using your logic...stay in your lane.

@RealThisisA

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe some people, but women need to be allowed to have their concerns. Has nothing to do with wanting to be the top... women aren't even on the top of this world to begin with.

Whew, chile... A lot of people in these comments are so vehemently opposed to knowing and understanding trans people. Being inquisitive isn't wrong, asking questions isn't wrong, but when you word things with malicious intent? C'mon, now.

@marie-francoiset9402

3 жыл бұрын

@@edgytypebeat781 if you're nonbinary why do you care? let BW be what we want to be.

Hell yeah. I love seeing Kat here especially after her video about how she only collaborates with people she respects and likes.

“Can there be a space for cis women only?” I appreciate Kat’s answer here. It allows for a broad interpretation and allows for space to discuss particular issues that biological women might have.

@franklinbrooks7857

4 жыл бұрын

I especially appreciated Lerret’s response. Her analogy of black spaces vs. white spaces made a lot of sense.

@franklinbrooks7857

4 жыл бұрын

Lwandile M you copied and pasted this from another comment. If you want to talk to me, at least have the decency to write me a unique response. Not some copied/pasted regurgitated piece of trash. Don’t be lazy.

@OliverHeikkinen

4 жыл бұрын

Btw "biological women" isn't really a good term because that still implies that trans men are women. "People who are Assigned female at birth" aka AFAB is what trans people typically use. And wise versa AMAB

@KatBlaque

4 жыл бұрын

@Lwandile M if you want an answer to your question, think of how many times you've seen black folks as a whole celebrate men who date trans women. You won't find many examples of black folks responding positively to having any interaction with trans women. Black men feel like the world is against them and the last thing they want is to be seen as lesser than because of their sexuality.

@fruitmonsterfly1

4 жыл бұрын

Chai tea I’m a biologist and i can tell you that sex and gender are way more complicated than you think. Saying “biological means biological” means nothing bc there’s so much variance that happens biologically when it comes to sex and gender. Cis is a much better term to use than biological in this case.

I'm here for this discussion thanks Kim! I'm a black transman. I always try 2 explain 2 people difference between gender & sexuality but people esp black people dont get it. Not every black person I mean but more so the ones in my community here in Va

@jazzy2093

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely in VA

@Qdelilah

4 жыл бұрын

Well know someone In the DMV support you 💯💯💯💯💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿

@ThemisThoth

4 жыл бұрын

DMV here too 🙌🏾🙌🏾

@makenzileg

4 жыл бұрын

I feel this! I'm also from the DMV.

@nerdfantasyxox

4 жыл бұрын

Fred Leeland to someone willfully ignorant

The one thing that confuses me is that if black trans women are women then that would mean black trans men are men, right? So why do some trans women exclusively date CIS men? That’s where I get confused? What differentiates a cis-man from a trans- man in a trans woman’s opinion if they are both simply men?

@Sandreline

4 жыл бұрын

Kat actually has a video specifically about that. kzread.info/dash/bejne/rIybycVyZZjdnLA.html

4 жыл бұрын

trans woman dating a man who "claims" to be straight is a way to validate their womanhood. that's why.

@NamiBluee

4 жыл бұрын

Who you date doesn’t mean you invalidate the identity of other people 🤨 like huh? Not all transwomen date Cis men or straight men lmao you’re so misinformed

@tatertot58

4 жыл бұрын

Tayaìra Ali Please let me know where I said ALL trans women date cis men. If I recall I specifically said some! I am asking a genuine question that was sparked after watching the grapevines trans episode! Take your condescending tone to a different comment!

@NamiBluee

4 жыл бұрын

Tatertot Love I Never commented with the intention to be rude or condescending i just get irritated when women/men allow one of us to speak for all or have views that are stereotypical thats it thats all if I offended you I apologize 🙏🏾

Maybe you'd be able to have a credible argument if you stopped conflating 'femininity' with being a woman and also stopped erasing African history, as though we didn't know what a man and woman was before European contact.

@annoyedbyyourface

4 жыл бұрын

And you're erasing African history if you're ignoring the history of African cultures that don't mirror white supremacist ideals of gender. Nice try though lol.

@MsAqaqSwsw

4 жыл бұрын

"conflating 'femininity' with being a woman" this is probably the thing that annoys me the most. there's so much more to our experience

Signing up for yall own opression😂😂😂😂 yall dont even see that ish coming. Keeping supporting the bs tho, let’s see how this ends for real women.

No, they are not.

13:56 agreed. “Not confident people would March for me” “they know they can hurt transpeople and get away with it.” “ if they won’t fight for breonna they won’t fight for me”

I don't understand isn't this a video with a cis woman sharing a space with trans women??? Or is it that trans women are demanding all sis women everywhere to never have a space for just cis women??? I think the problem lies is the implication that sis women should never at any point anywhere in this country hold the space for themselves. Is that correct??

@khrisi9410

4 жыл бұрын

Correct. Having spaces for ourselves invalidate them as not being women. The goal is to merge to a point where they can have more access to heterosexual men who are comfortable openly being with them and the only way to do that is to merge. The longterm goal is at some point there will be no distinction and they no longer have that scarlett letter T in front of woman. They are validated as bio women and ultimately we bio women will be invalidated and called men for decades until they reach their ultimate goal. Yeah, we're just being bullied and used covertly.

@marie-francoiset9402

3 жыл бұрын

@@khrisi9410 You articulated this agenda so well! thank you. It's all about having access to straight men who aren't straight. homophobia actually

@Uniquaization

3 жыл бұрын

@@khrisi9410 100%. This is the truth that noone wants to openly admit.

Kat and Kim? Instaclick.

@ThemisThoth

4 жыл бұрын

Right

@rivkahpro3252

4 жыл бұрын

Right?!?!!

black trans women are black trans women. making that distinction isn't an insult or a bad thing. come on now kim :/.

@KatBlaque

4 жыл бұрын

Who said that though?

@alanizelliott2594

4 жыл бұрын

Kat Blaque it wasn't said directly but subtly and contextually. Lerre'tt asking what defines womanhood in the conversation is basically asking what is the difference between me, a bio woman and someone who is trans, which is erasing the distinction between biological women and trans women. Biology defines womanhood, a period, a uterus, natural breasts and natural hormones define womanhood. Trans women and bio women are different and that is okay. There is nothing transphobic about bio women acknowledging this and claiming the difference.

@rosemfall6717

4 жыл бұрын

@@alanizelliott2594 I think defining the distinction is not so simple. Some bio women dont have periods, some get hysterectomies. I'd argue most of what defines womanhood is sociocultural not biological. I feel most of the differences between bio and trans women's experiences are socially constructed

@alanizelliott2594

4 жыл бұрын

Osun Auma my explanation on the differences is not discriminatory. You're points of saying some women do not have periods or being unable to get pregnant is actually a lazy excuse to justify your theory. They are still biological women period, they have not had to go through a sex change, or do not have to take hormones, etc. This is just plain facts. I am not trying to be argumentative but please explain to me how I am being discriminatory. In no way have I insulted you, or said you can't operate in a feminine way. You are obligated to live however you so choose, and that is not something arguable. But to say that trans women and women are one in the same is intellectually dishonest.

I've been waiting for this Kat and Kim collab, and plus L'lerrét? Like, I didn't know about her before but I love her, I love all y'all

No one said they aren't women ....what we are saying is we don't need to be in the same spaces because our issues aren't the same and it causes cis women to get pushed to the bottom or erased just like bi-racial women tend to do to Black women. I am not going to promote my own erase and Black women have to stop fighting every one else causes while ignoring our own plight. Futhermore why isn't transmen's issue never brought up when discussing cis Black men.....it's only brought up by transwomen which some say it's them using unchecked m privilege to assert their power and dominance over cis women.

@shuanh.6857

4 жыл бұрын

Woahhh that last point tho 🔥🔥🔥

@LoveJadybug

4 жыл бұрын

did you even listen to what they said?

@shuanh.6857

4 жыл бұрын

Jade Isabelle She obviously did and asked a question lol. If you have the answer then answer it.

@LoveJadybug

4 жыл бұрын

Shuan H. So we’re not supposed to embrace Black trans women into our spaces bc Black men aren’t doing that to trans Black men? You want to live by the standards of patriarchy and white supremacy do you boo. But to act like Black trans women have the power to erase Black cis women is just straight up dumb. Biracial women have proximity to whiteness Black trans women do not have. You just want to be divisive when it’s clear our struggles are linked, that’s gross.

@Poomayne

4 жыл бұрын

How can you believe they are women but think they have male patriarchal privilege? Just say you hate trans women and go.

So why can't cis women have spaces to discuss biological things? No I don't care how a man feels about his uterus. Why can't trans men make their own groups using words like front hole or ovary haver or menstruator? If the word female offends a trans man, why can't I say ovary haver offends me? I'm more than just an ovary haver. Cis women groups are needed because we need a space to talk about periods, vulvas, abortions, etc. and how they relate to us as women. Trans woman want to join us in our sisterhood. But trans men don't and still demand space amongst us. How is that fair?

@deee3950

4 жыл бұрын

“front hole” and “ovary haver” is NOT it

@arowace498

4 жыл бұрын

its about not conflating those things to women, not about not using those words. not all women have those parts. not all men dont. insisting that those parts are a "womens" experience is transphobic to both trans men and women. And it's not like trans men don't also need reproductive health, support and education. it's alienating for all of these discussions to be framed around women when i'm not one. If talking about our shared biology is the important thing i think you should think hard about why you want to frame it around "womanhood" instead of the actual biology.

@arowace498

4 жыл бұрын

@SisG You're not refuting a single one of my points so I have no argument for you. As soon as anyone defends trans people everyone assumes what their argument is and refutes what they think is being said instead of what is actually being said. Read it carefully and try again? LIKE,, I KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO BE CIS AND TRANS... cis people think that trans people deny their biology just because we don't conflate sex and gender. It's really annoying.

@arowace498

4 жыл бұрын

@SisG also, I know it's been a day but it's been bothering me. how creepy and weird you are for bringing up sex in this context where it wasn't even part of the conversation. Can cis people stop being so obsessed with trans peoples sexualities and bodies. Fucking yikes why are all transphobes so disgusting.

@devilangel777

4 жыл бұрын

@@arowace498 That is not what I said. I said I don't care how a man feels about his uterus. There are reasons why women may need to reconcile their womanhood with their body parts. Just as trans men may need to reconcile their manhood with their bodies. But what you aren't going to do is come into women's and demand change. You know who does well in opposite gendered spaces, cis men. There are about 1% of cis men who get breast cancer. But despite that breast cancer is very gendered. The language used refers almost exclusively women. The preventative care is targeted at women. The ribbon is pink. The name of the disease is *breast cancer.* I have never heard men complain about the language used or that support is geared towards women. Men who have breast cancer deserve support too after all. How is it that cis men are able to go into women centric spaces and be ok but trans men somehow cannot? Wether you like it or not these are women's spaces and if you have a problem with that don't go into these spaces. These spaces are not geared towards you and they don't have to be. I don't understand how 99% of the people in the room are women and yet you don't want to acknowledge that. Learn to read the room and play nice. If you do that, most women have no issue acknowledging the man in the room. It's when you can't that we end up demanding cis only spaces. When it comes to biological things it's usually a disease or medical condition. Suffering women don't need to be nice to you and tip toe around certain words because of your feelings.

As.a biological woman, I accept and respect them as transwomen. There is a difference and I'm fine with that.

@youareenough4978

4 жыл бұрын

Black trans women can have their own spaces and black women can have their own spaces.

@redj1101

3 жыл бұрын

Cis women aren’t any more “biologically women” than trans women

@Uniquaization

3 жыл бұрын

@@redj1101 are you insane. Biologically, they are MALE. There are a host of things that affect biological males differently than biological females.

@redj1101

3 жыл бұрын

@@Uniquaization gender is social, not biological. Sex doesn’t even fit neatly into two boxes. Please do some research

@Uniquaization

3 жыл бұрын

@@redj1101 I have done research. Now YOU do some research and get out of lala land. We are not talking about abnomalities; we are talking about the NORM. Transwomen are Biologically M.A.L.E. and that's a FACT. Even down to their brains, men and women are different; There are differences in the way male and female brains are structured, how they process information, and interact with chemical signals. Some examples: men have more information-containing gray matter, but women have more white matter, which connects different parts of the brain. Also, women have bigger memory centers than men.

some people didn't even watch the whole video

@annoyedbyyourface

4 жыл бұрын

Terfs never watch the whole video because then it would render their hatred towards trans women invalid lol.

I’m so happy to see this collaboration! I’ve been watching Kat for about 6 months now. When she mentioned doing a video with my all time favorite “For Harriet” I nearly fell out of my chair. Thank you for this!

We love a not-transphobic Black female KZreadr. They sure are in short supply.

@scj3188

4 жыл бұрын

Ikr! This just makes me love Kim more tbh.

@wells346

4 жыл бұрын

yup

@wells346

4 жыл бұрын

eloho is another one

@NeverIfyWithTheSound

4 жыл бұрын

wells yeah. I like Eloho. I do think she’s making her way there but I do think, with her, she’s more open to transness and trans issues than she is “anti-transphobia,” ya know? Because if you look at her comments, some of which she’s liked, there’s a lot of unchecked transphobia from her audience members. Most of which feel very comfortable being there and saying these things because, in that space, it’s more of a “dissenting opinion” while, Kim’s space would not tolerate that at all. Of course, not everyone’s anti-transphobia has to look like Kim’s anti-transphobia but still, I think she’s going in the right direction but I think there’s still more growth that can occur on her part.

@scj3188

3 жыл бұрын

@@wells346 Hmm idk about her

Out of curiosity I wonder would she date a trans man?

@e.t.gohome8042

3 жыл бұрын

Kat Blaque made a video about this.

the one on the bottom said that gender is anti- black. that literraly doesnt make sense at all.

@dearbird1794

4 жыл бұрын

Ok, Peter Griffin. Careful with that big smooth brain of yours!

@coolcat6341

3 жыл бұрын

Yes they think gender is a white people thing and Black race did not have an understanding of genders

If even one of us isn't free, NONE of us are free. That's my stance and I am so grateful for Kim and For Harriet. Thank you to Kat and L'Lerret for showing up and speaking your truth.

This is why you are THE G.O.A.T.! I love Kat Blaque!!!! I never would have seen the most ambitious crossover in KZread PERIOD.

commenting before even watching, but i'm already so excited to see kim and kat blaque in one space!

@kayla-wb7qb

4 жыл бұрын

and now a fan of L'Lerret! great conversation

Trans women are trans women.

YYYYAAAASSSSS HONEY COME THROUGH. But on a serious note I haven't even seen the whole video though I know this is going to be great food for thought

I could watch this five times and still not have absorbed all the knowledge and insight and truth that's been said. Thanks for having this conversation.

This gender thing has nothing to do with white supremacy. It’s about morals and biology. I’m sorry when I think of black women I want to be around other women who are just like me from birth. It’s deceiving and disingenuous otherwise.

@destinylove1673

3 жыл бұрын

Yikes. 😬

@biasedjedi4353

3 жыл бұрын

@@destinylove1673 Truth can be scary I know

@synbeast0241

2 жыл бұрын

Our current binary system of sex & gender (concepts tht aren’t remotely binary) is most definitely rooted in yt supremacy. Biology has nothing to do with gender, sex & gender aren’t the same. Lastly nobody’s born a woman, every woman grows into their womanhood & it has nothing to do w/ sex & everything to do w/ character. Transphobia isn’t cute.

Black trans born male, period. Or, should I say no period.

@synbeast0241

2 жыл бұрын

Periods don’t make a person a woman. Sex doesn’t always correlate to gender & neither are binary.

Such a great conversation by three intelligent beautiful black women.

@bluerobot3806

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed 100%

@eljoenaiadrien5665

4 жыл бұрын

Love 23Amazed hater

@maiaautumne2167

4 жыл бұрын

Eljoenai Adrien jealousy

@dog5221

4 жыл бұрын

@Love 23Amazed *** 3

@annoyedbyyourface

4 жыл бұрын

@@maiaautumne2167 No one is jealous of a bitter ass troll lol.

If you have Y chromosome you're not woman

SO happy to see Kat and Harriet working and speaking together! This is such a productive and eye opening (to me) conversation

OMG! I wasn't ready. I would've started this an hour ago with a fresh drink/tea. Two of my LONG time favs. I need a minute to grab a notebook.

I clicked SO FAST when I saw a collab with Kat Blaq!!! Such a fan of both of your work. ❤️

This was an interesting conversation. Very thought provoking. I have several questions and thoughts, but don’t want to be attacked or accused of being transphobic.

@dog5221

4 жыл бұрын

Well if you're comfortable, I'd be more than happy to fill in any blanks and provide resources about trans stuff. Learning curves happen, but ya gotta start somewhere i figure

@Aixela_1

4 жыл бұрын

That’s so sad that you can’t even ask questions without being attacked and labeled as transphobic. A mature and respectful dialogue should be encouraged. As long as you don’t have ill intent and you’re not being disrespectful, you should be given the space to ask and share your thoughts.

@RandiMarie1111

4 жыл бұрын

Dog With Logic Thanks so much. I would really appreciate that.

@tp2005

4 жыл бұрын

I think instead of cis folks being salty about running the risk of being accused of transphobia, we should consider that much of the guard that Black trans people have put up is well-warranted given the amount of abuse and harm they encounter from cis people on a daily basis. Whatever discomfort you feel with being potentially labeled transphobic pales in comparison to the discomfort and marginalization that actual trans people have to deal with. Just ask the questions you wanna ask...if you say something offensive, someone will correct you on it, you can apologize, take the information and be better. It really doesn't have to be any deeper than that

@tp2005

4 жыл бұрын

@@kaylasopinionpost just curious...did you actually watch the video? lol Because I think it's interesting how your comment directly feeds into one of the exact tropes that Kat Blaque was talking about. Where we're literally having conversations about Black transgender people's very right to exist in the world and the kinds of violence they face daily...and the convo is constantly reduced to whether or not cisgender people wanna date and have sex with them

No. Black trans women are black trans women. They do not have XX chromosomes. Kat is beautiful. Kat deserves respect. Kat deserves love and safety. I will use "she" and "her" for Kat. Kat does not need to be in my sports leagues. I don't care about the bathrooms. Her experiences are not mine and mine are not hers. We can be allies for each other. But we aren't the same. She needs her own trans woman space and I need my woman space. I don't use "cis". Great fences make great neighbors for a reason. And I find it rather shady of you to condone performative femininity for trans women, while condemning black women for doing the same.

@RhaegarTargaryen1st

4 жыл бұрын

👏👏👏PREACH! Trans people are people and deserve dignity and respect; but biology is NOT incidental.

@Likeicare96

4 жыл бұрын

Our experiences don’t need to be identical to be both women. My life has been very different than a blonde, white woman, including my experiences with womanhood. However, that doesn’t invalidate a white woman. As for separate spaces, I disagree with this. Womanhood is large umbrella that can include many different types of women, including trans women

@quoiatvbigbootiq

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@filmsuga92

4 жыл бұрын

Facts

@makenzileg

4 жыл бұрын

How would trans and cis spaces be different? Because if they're based on biology, are trans masculine people welcome? They start discussing spaces at around 18:10 if you haven't watched the video.

Definitely a fantastic watch so far as a black gay teen. Often times LGBT people, especially trans people are left out of conversations involving blackness, the community as a whole needs a better grip on the concept of intersectionality. Too many of us try to uphold such strict rules involving gender and sexuality and don't even realize how so many of those ideas originate from the concept of white supremacy. I'm so happy we are having more of these talks ^^

@HonorableSienna

4 жыл бұрын

If there are similarities in the overall black experience, that we are all fighting against what exactlyare trans being left out of

@yakatrinapetrovazamolodchi7289

4 жыл бұрын

@@HonorableSienna If black trans people aren't welcome in black spaces, they're being left out. It's really that simple

@Uniquaization

3 жыл бұрын

@@yakatrinapetrovazamolodchi7289 who's leaving them out? They are black, nothing can change that. They are not the same as a biological woman, and nothing can change that as well.

oh yesss this was great ,,,i love when content creators bring people on that have the RANGE to discuss topic with nuaces and self reflection ...so sharp and brilliant...i love it ...thank you ofr this Kim

We are human. They were wrong. When someone says you’re biological man. That’s the truth. There’s a difference.

Trans women are not black women.

@tatieyona1967

4 жыл бұрын

Yes they are ✌🏾

@gafam7251

4 жыл бұрын

tatieyona no they are not. They are born as males and do not share the misogyny that NATURALLY BORN WOMEN experience growing up as girls during those formative years. No other race of trans woman try to include themselves in the spaces of those women the share a race with. Why can’t they just have their own space and discuss their issues amongst themselves. And they do not have the same experience as Blk women, especially if they are being true about who they are. It’s only blk born males who try to take over the space of blk women whether they are cis males or trans. Blk women are always expected to bend and share their space and struggles. Fuck that. Pull your own weight and make a space for yourselves. Black women are not the social justice worriers for the race.

Black cis women suffer from a bunch of reproductive issues that trans women will never experience. We can’t keep trying to gloss over that. No real partnership can be had until we respect our differences, period. So Black cis women and Black trans women need to come together and put both of our issues at the forefront to get any respect in this world.

we're not free until we're all free

I am a Black cis woman and I would gladly share any space with Black trans women. I don't have kids (and don't want any), don't have a uterus (good riddance) and I'm not interested in relating my experience as a woman to the time when I had one. I'd probably have a lot more in common with trans women than with other cis women who focus on those physical commonalities anyway.

@retti3150

4 жыл бұрын

This is so nice to see , I’m cis and I completely agree although I’m not the same I do want children one day but I’m still in young and in uni atm ,your kindness and empathy is rare but amazing after seeing so many cruel comments.i will always make space from trans women to have a voice.

@youareenough4978

4 жыл бұрын

Well I’m a women and I don’t want to share my spaces with trans women.

@pelomk9022

4 жыл бұрын

I'm a child free biological woman and I don't relate to Trans women at all nor do I want them in female centric spaces

@marie-francoiset9402

3 жыл бұрын

@@retti3150 you might change your mind when you become a mom.

@retti3150

3 жыл бұрын

Marie-Françoise T i won’t become transphobic after having children 😂

Wishing y’all an abundance of love and safety and good things. Thank you for constantly educating. I’m better for this conversation. ❤️ a trans Latina woman from Texas

I love these videos. It’s so important to have these conversations, and I’m really glad to see this video. I’m learning a lot. Thank you💕

@ThemisThoth

4 жыл бұрын

Completely agree.

@aquafina6544

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. I'm here to learn.

OMG THIS IS WHAT I NEED KAT AND KIM CHILE this is going to be good let me get my WINE AND CHINESE 😍😍

@ThemisThoth

4 жыл бұрын

Right. I would like to speak with Kat.

@Qdelilah

4 жыл бұрын

@@ThemisThoth I love kat she just seem like a cool girl I would love to meet her too

@saeon4427

4 жыл бұрын

Black men would rather support black men in skirts than actual black women

@moeshaboi

4 жыл бұрын

I am a Black man and I support Black people regardless. Just wish the rest of the black felt the same way.

"Theres this frame work that trans ppl are the most marginalised i like to say were to most liberated" That was beautiful powerfull and empowering to hear thanks l'lerrét

the most ambitious crossover event of all time. I love this sm

thank you kim for this conversation, it was as incredibly thought provoking as always 💞 love all 3 of you!!!

Love how wonderfully balanced this discussion was. L'Lerret's ideas were more conceptual and theoretical, while Kat's were more broadly applicable to the everyday and both of those things are vital to productive discussion. Great stuff.

@claudiat1948

4 жыл бұрын

@@marias-living-learning Balanced between L'Lerret and Kat's applications of a similar perspective. I'm assuming that by "opposing view" you mean that they should have been arguing in favor of their existence with a transphobe or something? (Which has been done to death, dehumanizes the trans participant/s in a conversation, and demonstrably accomplishes nothing...). A conversation doesn't have to involve diametrically opposed views to provide multiple perspectives on fundamentally similar opinions...

Putting on a dress and makeup dont make you a woman

@synbeast0241

2 жыл бұрын

No but identifying as a woman does.

@deee3950

2 жыл бұрын

@@synbeast0241 no. It doesn’t. It makes you a delusional male, who once again is trying to find his identity by emotionally and physically abusing women. Sad.

I don't know why Kim's deleting my comments, there's nothing hateful about it.

@shambreyel

4 жыл бұрын

Edrick what do you think their goals are?

@dennis2781

4 жыл бұрын

Edrick implying that trans folks used to present as a „clown gender“ isn’t exactly nice or correct i guess. Also you’re pretty much erasing gender nonconforming/ non binary trans folks by making the statement that trans people want to present and perform as masculine/feminine as possible and i can’t help but wonder why you would even say that

@dennis2781

4 жыл бұрын

Edrick If you are an ally, act like one. Your intentions don’t make your wording or any other actions better by any means and you don’t get to tell the world what trans folks want for themselves in terms of how they perform and present a gender if any.

@Mika-jd3yb

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe the reason Kim is deleting your comments is because you're making assumptions that seem likely influenced by your own beliefs and misrepresenting her, Kat and L'lerrét. A huge part of allyship is listening and boosting voices, not speaking for people.

@SteppingOut957

4 жыл бұрын

Wow. She deleted your comment again.

You put the “period” in the title because you thought people would believe you. Lol

@ForHarriet619

3 жыл бұрын

I put period in the title so people would click on the video. It worked. Thank you.

NO THEY ARE NOT NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU LIE TO YOURSELF

@synbeast0241

2 жыл бұрын

Transphobia isn’t justified no matter how much you lie to yourself

"There's this framework that trans people are the most marginalized; I like to say it as we're the most liberated." - LOVE L'Lerrét's point here

You've got an interview with Kat Blaque?! Im so excited for this! Thank you for being so inclusive and having some of the dopest womxn on your platform. ❤ 🙌🏾

@saeon4427

4 жыл бұрын

Women

@maiaautumne2167

4 жыл бұрын

Tracey Cooper they are trans women not men

I love the new interview format. It's like watching an actually talented Dave Rubin

Blaq trans women are blaq trans women and thats beautiful. Blaq biological women are women and thats also beautiful. Period.

@rahma6992

2 жыл бұрын

yes i love that blaq trans women are women :D

@synbeast0241

2 жыл бұрын

Cis* (not “biological”) & yes all BW are BW

@vanitas8333

2 жыл бұрын

@@synbeast0241 Right BIOLOGICAL. That's what I said🥰. I am a biological blaq woman. They are trans blaq woman. And both women and trans women deserve respect, love and protection. Bye hun😘

@vanitas8333

2 жыл бұрын

@@rahma6992 Yes I love that blaq women are making the distinction between themselves and trans blaq women so they can get the respect and justice they need for their unique experiences. Same for trans blaq women.💖

@rahma6992

2 жыл бұрын

@@vanitas8333totally agree that cis and trans black women often have different experiences and needs but that doesn't change the fact they're both undeniably black women 🖤

Here for the comments 👀👀👀

@kianaolive

4 жыл бұрын

Liz She isn’t allowing blatant bigotry and transphobia to be spewed under a video that is titled “Black trans women ARE Black women. Period”. There’s a difference.

@talkswithali

4 жыл бұрын

@@kianaolive exactly this.

@talkswithali

4 жыл бұрын

@@Liz-wc5ry what she isn't allowing g is blatant bigotry and transph9bia on these serious topics. I would be deleting comments too. And from what I've seen. There has been no comments that have been deleted

@crystalleyvonne818

4 жыл бұрын

Liz make your own platform to spew your “questioning” hate. Are you eloquent or compelling enough to draw an audience? Probably not

@kianaolive

4 жыл бұрын

beautiful blacksoul I wasn’t referring to you.

Loved all three of these ladies! Been following Kat and Kim for years, but what are L'lerret's socials? I need more of her!

Love you so much Kim 🖤 thank you so much for this discussion definitely working in the right direction of bridging the gap between All Black Women 🖤🖤🖤🖤

Trans women are not women. Trans men are not men. However, I respect and we should all respect that they are humans who just want to live their lives. That said, their transition shouldn’t infringe on certain spaces. Of course referencing women’s sports. Trans girls beating actual girls in races because they’re physically capable just is not fair. They aren’t female, they can have their own race or maybe join the guys’ team. It might be uncomfortable, but we should teach kids how to respect the difference even when it’s on display. And if some won’t, hey, we all have detractors.