Black Mesa Comparison: 2015 Version vs 2017 Update
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My comparison between the Black Mesa 2015 Version and the 2017 December Update (recently been released). Hopefully, I covered everything!
EDIT: Everyone is asking me on how to play the 2017 December Update. In order to play it this is what you'll have to do: Go on your Steam Library and right-click on Black Mesa, Click Properties, Click on the BETA TAB, Select Public Beta and click OK, Finally give it time to install. It took me about 20 mins to install on my PC.
Also,
RIP Crossbow: 2012 - 2017
#Sprizzy #BlackMesa #BlackMesaUpdate2017
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Why the hell is this in my recommended
@heph9322
3 жыл бұрын
Ello
*incredible lighting and graphical improvements* i sleep *scope on a single weapon looks different* REAL SHEET
@brunocar02
6 жыл бұрын
everyone is complaning about that not realising that its a place holder, the old scope tanked performance hard
@demsimex
6 жыл бұрын
Black Mesa Community in a nutshell
@babbygremlin
6 жыл бұрын
stale ass meme format
@xdguy2569
6 жыл бұрын
+RubyHonorWay 22:00
@MintToastIvan
5 жыл бұрын
@@babbygremlin *True facts* I sleep. *Old meme format* *_Real shit_*
Looks like the devs took notice of the crossbow scope: "The old scope style had to be removed because it used an RT camera, which had a negative effect on performance (forcing the scene to be rendered twice). It was also really, really buggy. We will look into potentially improving the new scope further." It is temporary, don't worry
@innoclarke7435
6 жыл бұрын
Good. I'm glad they're having another go at the scope. Last time I played Black Mesa, I ended up virtually never using the crossbow at all, for one because it tanked my already less-than-ideal framerate in some areas, and also because I seem to recall the mouse sensitivity when using the scope didn't change compared to normal aiming, so a small move of the mouse made it fly somewhere else entirely. It didn't help that it was zoomed in waaaaay too much. Just a fuckup of a sniper equivalent all 'round, to be honest.
@ileryon4019
6 жыл бұрын
Insurgency also has that thing but it doesnt really eats up much performance.
@innoclarke7435
6 жыл бұрын
Just depends on the method used in implementing it, I suppose. I think the Red Orchestra/Rising Storm games work the same way, and they too have better performance. Though the Insurgency comparison is more apt due to it also being on the Source engine. I don't really mind the feature going. It doesn't really add anything to Black Mesa like it does in something like Rising Storm or Insurgency.
@Intestine_Ballin-ism
5 жыл бұрын
Eh, Ill take a placeholder png in place of massive fps drops
is that crossbow thing a fucking joke? it has to be temporary.
@SteelRider
6 жыл бұрын
yeah lol
@nolestrono
6 жыл бұрын
After all the beautiful changes they made to the rest of the game I can't imagine they put that in with the intention of leaving it there. I doubt they even put that in there in the first place, seems like a joke from Sprizzy, maybe the way they changed it was not very good so he just over exaggerated it.
@StavaasEVG
6 жыл бұрын
it is temporary thing, calm down brudda
@77Yuki
6 жыл бұрын
I hope when they put the real thing, it behave just like how AUG's and SG552's scope work in CSGO. The 2015 scope making me feel dizzy.
@Lolnoobwut1
6 жыл бұрын
The zoom effect was removed because it caused heavy performance issues (as it had to render the scene twice). The new scope is pretty awful though, but I think it's a placeholder.
the scope doesn't look as bad as people *zooms in with scope* OH GOD WHAT IS THAT
The scope made me cringe, its so out of place like a 5th grader made it in paint, glad Xen waited for it
@SWIFTrunmedia
6 жыл бұрын
therondebevelyn retarded thing to cringe over.
@blusoldier018
6 жыл бұрын
therondebevelyn it's confirmed to just be a temporary placeholder.
@TheJayson8899
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, because Xen waiting so they could do a single scope...
@WildBeret
5 жыл бұрын
dev fapped when doing new scope lul
@EvanJefferson1
5 жыл бұрын
It drains performance and fucks the skybox on Surface Tension Theres Your reason You miserable weaboo.
6:06 LOOK AT THE MONITER
@ivyssauro123
4 жыл бұрын
*Steam screenshot sounds*
23:24 "more realistic scope" lol what it looks like a .png
@coronelklink9130
6 жыл бұрын
looks like a doom ii weapon, or from Duke Nukem 3D
@ileryon4019
6 жыл бұрын
Is a "place holder" I think they are reworking it because the 2015 version drained too much performance making it hard to aim accurately
@pt8306
6 жыл бұрын
Worse, the 2015 version literally broke the skyboxes. Go into Surface Tension and zoom in with the scope. The entire skybox fucks up completely.
@ileryon4019
6 жыл бұрын
Oh, yes I think that was a Render target problem (which the last scope was using)
@auzabraar
6 жыл бұрын
png? More like a badly cropped jpeg
Half-Life , Half-Life 2 , Portal 1 / 2 , Left4Dead2 should remastered with Source2 engine. ( these games are LEGENDARY ) AND... The crossbow scope is a fucking stupid ideas.
The scope looks worse in the 2017 version.
@tom282f38800
6 жыл бұрын
Mateoski A fucking sprite in place of a real 3D model. lol
@pt8306
6 жыл бұрын
I am assuming it's a temporary hack-job until they properly fix the old one (it was probably thrown together by a dev in an hour to show the now working crossbow zoom without the broken effects it used to have)
@arcticridge
6 жыл бұрын
from the way the one dev tends to speak for the rest, that shit is staying
@auzabraar
6 жыл бұрын
They did it to minimize frame drops, because the old scope used the render-to-picture (idk what the name is, something like that) and that dropped frames. Though I don't like the new scope because it looks like a badly cropped jpeg image because I can still see the white outline. It also doesn't have an animation so it looks weird to me.
@Die-Coughman
5 жыл бұрын
@@auzabraar render to texture
Everything looks better except for the glowing on the Vortigaunts, glowing on the Houndeyes and the absolutely awfull looking scope on the crossbow...
@Sprizzy
6 жыл бұрын
RIP Crossbow
@CirkuitBreaker
6 жыл бұрын
Yep not a fan of the glowing vortigaunts and houndeyes. No clue what Crowbar Collective was thinking when they did that.
@RyebredroxRPD
6 жыл бұрын
I don't think the glowing would be that bad if they toned it down. The crossbow though needs a major retexture.
@mathesonwarshawski380
6 жыл бұрын
I like new Houndeye look to be honest.
@cayugaduck5478
6 жыл бұрын
I agree, the houndeye looks fine but the glowing vort is distracting. I would like to be able to disable this, including disabling the lens flares.
everyone complaining about the crossbow, its a placeholder, its not the final version, there is a reason why this is in the beta version and not the main release
@MrJustinUSCM
6 жыл бұрын
brunocar exactly lol
@paradoxicaloutcome1007
6 жыл бұрын
brunocar I think it's just that most people that are commenting don't realise this is a beta release, so they're testing a lot of stuff they might tone up, tone down or change.
Ooooooooo lens flares
I bet this was a nightmare to make 😂
@Sprizzy
6 жыл бұрын
Trust me, It was!
@olucaspc
6 жыл бұрын
still is Xen isnt in the game yet (right?)
@novarian8625
6 жыл бұрын
olu "Work in Progress"
@olucaspc
6 жыл бұрын
yea,x they didnt had the obligation to give it a pass neither have it as a product (ofc they are earning money from it too) but this is way better than most greedy companies shutting down fan initiations to revive dead and forgotten franchises
@Maddinhpws
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah valve has always been very supportive in terms of quality work from fans.
Would be nice if there was a side by side comparison, but good video anyways.
@Sprizzy
6 жыл бұрын
I didn't have the right editing software for it. But thanks for your opinion :-)
I can barely tell the differences in the lighting. I saw the differences in the NPC's and the glowing vort eyes and houndeye backs seem overly exaggerated. Also... RIP Black Mesa crossbow 2012 - 2017
@GabeNewellFromOuterSpace
6 жыл бұрын
Vrabo ikr
@AsinoEsel
6 жыл бұрын
Lighting is way better. Crossbow is a little weird, but at least it's not as buggy as the old scope.
@BoogieBrando
6 жыл бұрын
The lighting is far more dynamic in the 2017 version (shadow casting). Plus god rays and lens flare.
@amitakartok
6 жыл бұрын
The rays and lens flares actually make sense once you remember that Gordon is wearing glasses. As someone who wears glasses himself, I can confirm that if the lenses aren't perfectly clear, they really do have a ray effect when looking at light sources - and considering the kind of filth Gordon routinely crawls through, it's a genuine miracle that he can still see in low-lit areas.
@AsinoEsel
6 жыл бұрын
He may or may not be wearing a helmet too, on top of the glasses.
That new pistol sound tho, it sounds like a .40 cal or a .45 acp round lol, really beefy for a 9mm. Great video and nice work, you've earned a sub.
@Sprizzy
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks a ton!
@Gigglesisafish
6 жыл бұрын
That pistol sound is just a workshop add-on but I prefer the original ones
@metalvitezek7545
5 жыл бұрын
It's not a 9mm. It's a Glock
@MrJustinUSCM
5 жыл бұрын
@@metalvitezek7545 The model in game is a glock 17, which uses 9mm ammo. The mp5 uses the same exact ammo. :)
@Apathy474
5 жыл бұрын
@@Gigglesisafish I lile the add-on better. Original sounds weak
i wouldn't mind the glowing vortigaunt eye if it was toned down. it's WAY too fucking bright no matter what your opinion is. also, nothing about the crossbow scope's change was for realism. here's what the update notes say: "New Crossbow Scope - Crossbow scope no longer uses an in game camera to zoom in. This makes the scope easier to aim and increases performance by removing a second rendering pass. It also fixes a number of visual bugs with using the scope throughout the game." tl;dr: the change was a performance/intuitiveness pass, not a realism one. the zoom is way too fucking low though, and the default reticle is absolutely disgusting (in a bad way).
@GrandHighGamer
6 жыл бұрын
It also covers up the nice texture work on the actual eye with an improbably bright eye (also how the fuck does it see if its eye generates the same amount of light as a road flare?).
@VimyGlide
6 жыл бұрын
yeah i didn't even think about that
Very good comparison, you did well to highlight the changes made to the game.
**Throwing a grenade to a flying npc** nice
@WildRage_
4 жыл бұрын
敏子三上 like in other games you can *TIME* a grenade by cooking it
@jeans666
4 жыл бұрын
skills**
It has some big glaring problems (the scope obviously) but the sections of Black Mesa that look good actually are the most visually impressive thing I've seen in a game lately.
I love black Mesa! This was an amazing comparison and you deserve one million views!!!!
@Sprizzy
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot man. Looking back in retrospect I personally don’t like this video anymore. I’m disgusted with its crappy on-screen text and truncated footage. The reason why I kept it on my channel is because I’m impressed with its view-count. I don’t make eloquent and clearly sophisticated reviews as you do (and TheHoleInMyBackGarden) of course. So in all honesty, you deserve the fame my guy.
where did the rocket's smoke go
So, the update can be sumarized with "Black mesa, now with more glowing things, also we changed the crossbow a bit, but you probably not gonna like it, sooooo..."
@antond12312
6 жыл бұрын
ThePhirenor And its just another excuse for them to not work on xen, its been over 5 years.
@SuxMenner
6 жыл бұрын
Things take time, even that long.
@TheLiznaith
6 жыл бұрын
I think we're waiting this long because they want to change Xen into something better, like probably something more worthwhile to play. Not everyone liked how Xen was in the original, so they are completely changing it.
@bruhSaintJohn
6 жыл бұрын
TheLiznaith at this point, it is fair to expect Xen to become it's own game. Because it wasn't just a couple of chapters - it was a new experience. Plus, this is an *ALIEN* world, there's plenty of room for creativity, even if staying true to original Half Life.
@zmaxx123321
6 жыл бұрын
Ironic that in trying to recreate valve's masterpiece they became valve...
I still like the source version (2012)
@daylightanimation
4 жыл бұрын
I'm with you. 2012 is the best in my opinion.
@Heroheenie
4 жыл бұрын
@@daylightanimation Nah.
@daylightanimation
4 жыл бұрын
@@Heroheenie 2012 version had that 90s atmosphere in props, overall feeling. Newer version just look like everything happening nowadays. Flat widescreen LCDs everywhere, this wasn't a thing in 1999-2000, widescreen LCD plasmas became a thing at least in 2005.
@Heroheenie
4 жыл бұрын
@@daylightanimation To me I feel the standalone version is better, as it mixes elements of 90's atmosphere and more modern atmosphere.
@daylightanimation
4 жыл бұрын
@@Heroheenie When I'm playing remake of 90s game, I expect it to have 90s atmosphere in it, otherwise there is no point in playing for me....
Good work and nice video!!! Love it . Earned a sub and like. The lightning is better i saw and some more! Keep it up👍😃
@Ok-tt2kz
6 жыл бұрын
How can you only have 126 subs with good content! You should have way more
@Sprizzy
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your support! I will be uploading another Black Mesa video shorty.
Amazing comparison video! :D
The lens flares make since in this game since Gordon wears glasses lol
@peppermillers8361
6 жыл бұрын
What if he wears a helmet?
@samuraijackoff5354
6 жыл бұрын
Pepper Millers It’s cannon that he doesn’t have a helmet.
oh, no... crossbow scope... *R.I.P*
@WildRage_
4 жыл бұрын
요시나 dont worry. They will look for a better one. It was then beta anyways and costed alot of fps
Nice vid! Thanks to you I can check this out now :D otherwise I would never noticed it.
The HEV suit is not just a suit. It's a combat suit. Also: How does the nanosuit from Crysis compare to this? Who do you think will win?
Great work man! It is cool that they released a new update but instead of changing the shaders they could have finally made xen, this is what the game needs to be complete. They give you the jump module and the cool weapons at the end of the game but you never have the option to fight the boss with it
I'll definitely be picking this up when it's done.
I guess my computer is really bad or something because when the resonance cascade happens the room doesn't shake like that.
Props to the guys who created this mod as I never thought much of it at the start but it has really shone over the last few years.
Do you have to manually verify the game files to get the update cause I just played the game yesterday and none of that new stuff was included, most noticeably the crossbow zoom
@Sprizzy
6 жыл бұрын
look in the description :)
The impressive tech in the questionable ethics lab isn't the giant laser or the portable gaus gun weapon. It's the inch-thick screen that somehow stops that hammer-of-the-gods laser cannon's beam over and over.
My bm dont have H.E.V sounds and animations when you pickup a weapon pass the link of download of your black mesa for free?
Black mesa directed by JJ Abrams Please tell me there is an option to turn the lens flares off
What has all the feutures ? Half life source or black mesa spo in a nutshell wich one should I buy
Wait the HEV Suit runs on dos complete with .exe files?:\
So.. what'd they do? Increase the bloom and add lens flares?
In the black mesa 2020 or 1.0 is there any difference with black mesa 2017?
It's a small thing, but ever since I noticed that the B&W monitor in the test chamber showed the goings on in the control room as seen from a security camera, and I noticed that scientist movement as seen directly and as seen through the monitor matched up, I've thought of that as one of the more impressive examples of attention to detail in the whole game. Too bad that's pretty much gone now; hope they bring it back in the final version.
Wow they really butchered crosbows scope.
@ThiagoJaqueta
6 жыл бұрын
It's a placeholder, the old one had performance issues.
@GeosNotHere
6 жыл бұрын
there’s a workshop mod that makes the crossbow scope better
@HSV-mb9gf
4 жыл бұрын
Crossbow*
What are the two missing features on the H.E.V suit? Are they related to the helmet?
@foxden908
5 жыл бұрын
I think there the scuba and the long jump module
They REALLY should not have changed the scope... I mean if you gonna add more lightning stuff that will probably make performance worse on lower end machines, why bother tuning down something that already takes away performance?... or at least have an option to disable/enable dual rendering for the scope right?...
For anyone wondering, yeah, they changed the scope back to what it was, they probably changed it in the first place because it feels weird to look at.
Thanks for the video. I wanted to replay the game after this update, but it butchers my framerate Dx
@GabeNewellFromOuterSpace
6 жыл бұрын
BlueShit199 oh you again pls reply me
@blueshit199
6 жыл бұрын
hi
@antond12312
6 жыл бұрын
Same.
@GabeNewellFromOuterSpace
6 жыл бұрын
BlueShit199 :D
@AsinoEsel
6 жыл бұрын
Framerate is way better for me after the update... odd.
The crossbow's scope is some Delta Force Xtreme level of aiming down the sights. It's fucking horrible. Surely the devs know... right...?
@innoclarke7435
6 жыл бұрын
Hey, someone who actually knows of DFX. Nice. I mean, it's not a glowing statement you made about it, but it's accurate. Actually, I dunno, I think the crossbow's scope looks worse than any of the scopes I can think of in any of the Delta Force games. Well, except maybe Xtreme 2. I seem to recall that had some hideous shit in it.
*.exe files? Rly? H.E.V. mark IV works on Symbian, DOS, Windows or OS/2???
@robojunkie7169
6 жыл бұрын
CarboardTrain This game takes place in 1997 or something, maybe 2000, I see no reason why a high tech environmental suit wouldn’t use .exe files to run system checks and digital stuff
@kabanfriends5764
5 жыл бұрын
hev4.exe has stopped working.
i was seeing all the comments about the crossbow scope and thinking that it couldn't possibly be that bad i was so so so so so so so so *SO* wrong
So when is this 2017 december update goes live on steam?
Its almost like the portal lighting graphics Edit:Is the glitches are fixed?
the old scope looked way better than the terrible instant-zoom low res scope they have now (but I love the glowing Vortigaunt eye and glowing Houndeye stripes)
@crabbiethecrab7393
5 жыл бұрын
Gavin Dyer Placeholder.
Another Thing That Has Changed Is **The Crossbow Scope** In 2015: 3D Scope 2017: 2D Scope
Does still run rubbish? Horrible framerate issues in some moments on my 1060 3gb
I'm so glad they continue to make updates for this game!!!! All the Half-Life series are the best! I'm replaying the original Half-Life right now.
Nice video.
I knew the scope issue gets a lot of flak but I thought that is kinda bearable compared to the things that are plain broken - the spectrometer room camera zooms way too high and is all over the place, the rocket launch screen, the big screen that's supposed to show everything, shows nothing and is just a disappointment. As a side note, was quite miffed by the streetlamps and chainlink fences in the rocket launch area - that's just so illogical, like wouldn't that stuff simply melt on exhaust? Broke my immersion a little. When I saw the scope at the end, I realised that I would gladly sacrifice all the points I made before just so that flash-game google image with instant pop scope would get fixed
I can see they were going for something the likes of the scoped rifles in CSGO. Those are beautiful. With some tweaking they'll get there eventually, i'm sure
What have they done to the crossbow?
Is there a way to replay the old versions?
Is the 2015 version the free one you can download?
I might not really play Black Mesa, but I gotta say that looks damn fine
If bullets can pierce the HEV when it's without power,isn't it getting damaged?
@Sprizzy
6 жыл бұрын
The suit is like a force filed, it will need constant charging to keep that force field up. However, when it has no power, the suit is useless and bullets can easily destroy the suit which doesn't give any protection to the user at all. It surprises me that Gordon isn't wearing a helmet in the first game. In real life, one shot to the head and Gordon's down.
when I played the new scope didn't had painted over it, it was simply like in HL2 zoom in
So they added some Lens Flares and Gloom Lighting standard to the Engine. Sure why not. This can all be added to the 2015 Edition via SweetFX or ReShade (Lens Flares, extra Lighting, Fx, etc), but if it's standard with the Engine with no performance impact, why not, for the people that don't know about SweetFX / ReShade.
Personally I don't like the glowing Vortiguant eye. They don't have lightbulbs as eyes! Also, the crossbows zoom in feature does t really zoom in much now :(
@Sprizzy
6 жыл бұрын
Same here. I hate it! In Half-Life 2 they didn't have lightbulbs as eyes!
@Qwerty-zj3rk
6 жыл бұрын
Sprizzy Yeah! Apart from that, this update is great! I'm a very cinematographic guy! I love anything to do with getting a good shot (picture), so is is right up my alley!
@Qwerty-zj3rk
6 жыл бұрын
Sprizzy Oh, by the way, my game isn't updated, I don't have this update in my game, what do I do?
@Sprizzy
6 жыл бұрын
Don't worry, the actual update isn't fully released on the main game. But I think that when Xen is released, they will move the new updates will be released. However, if you want to play the 2017 December Update, follow these instructions: Go on your library>Right Click on Black Mesa>Go on Properties>Click on BETAS>Select Public Beta>Then click CLOSE>Then give it time to install the update. Have Fun :)
@Qwerty-zj3rk
6 жыл бұрын
Sprizzy Ahh. Thank you, Sprizzy!
Can't wait for XEN update
Why graphics film comparison with 720p resolution? Make it 360p!
Why did they change the scope?
Is graphics the only difference, the story is identical?
Hell yeah, lots of improvements and other stuffs! XDXDXD I don't care about those delays, and just waiting for the happy official release. Because, tbh, it's worth to wait so much(at leat for me). Let's shout-out to our Crowbar Collective! 😎😎😎
For some reason i don't get blood on my hands when i shoot things from close range, can someone help me? I am in the 2017 version.
@ternet1859
5 жыл бұрын
They temporarily disabled it.
which version better ?
Those lens flares like Directed by Micheal Bay lol but everything is just great exactly rocket launch but except crossbow. This one not bad too but seems like Photoshopped bad quality png. I hope they change it asap and bring back lens effect. About long jump it would be hard to use new controls for me
Well, now they should concentrate on tweaking engine in such way the player wouldn't be constantly stuck on corners, small props and 1mm unevenness on floors and walls.
Are they releasing Xen anytime soon? Or is it dead like HL3?
@foxden908
6 жыл бұрын
Shaber the dec update is the beta of the engine there useing for xen
@ratlosmappy
6 жыл бұрын
You do know that the bm xen levels are way bigger than the hl xen levels
How to changue the scope of 2017?
The rocket launches sound like you're taking out the trash
got more lens flares than a JJ Abrams film
@peppermillers8361
6 жыл бұрын
nah.
i prefer the new zoom level, since that it's not-in-the face so much like the old one. Thought it does need to be refined more so that it's not a poorly drawn static image.
Look! All we did is add lens flares and make it less brighter or brighter in some places and we call it a graphical improvement!
What sound mod did you use for the Glock?
@Sprizzy
6 жыл бұрын
steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1210379343&searchtext=glock
@RyebredroxRPD
6 жыл бұрын
Sprizzy thanks!
I would love to see a comparison between black mesa 2012 mod and the completed 2020 version
Gordon needs to get some sunglasses. Goddamn.
so how is this even possible that they are allowed to do this in the first place ? I mean the whole project without
Xen now!!!... how much longer must we wait? :(
I think you messed up the Vortigaunt, Houndeye, and the Crossbow. While I was playing in the 2017 update, none looks like that awful made craps. The crossbow scope is also exactly like the 2015 version.
So we get a nice lights and a bloom effect for worse scooe
I love Snark in this game.
In conclusion, Gordon got astigmatism.
You guys _do_ know that this update is still in beta and that the new crossbow scope is still a W.I.P. do you?
@WildRage_
4 жыл бұрын
TechNick.exe bad news form 2019. Nope. Everyone has -20 iq
Aside from the vort's eyes and and that disgusting scope, these are some neat changes.
Can you make a black Mesa source vs black Mesa 2019 as a comparison please.
Waiting next update, maybe. I think the scope just long-term jokes for ever BM:S lover to see the new World model Scope in the future. I hope it's right.
so did anyone have 2017 version?Can you upload it for me.
I heard there were some complaining why improve the lighting instead of releasing xen.After the Xen trailer with that superb lighting, environmental particles,it all died down
I've never played HL1 before, so maybe this mod would make a good introduction.
@xbl4ck7
6 жыл бұрын
Stuffy Junk it's actually a remake technically.