Which sight do you all prefer for hunting? Anything more you'd like to learn about while we're on the sight subject??

@SNAGEMNTAG3M

4 жыл бұрын

Currently have the black gold rush and like the pro sight alot what is the biggest con for that site and btw keep up the good work these videos are great no wasted time no BS just info and knowledge with some fun in there keep it up 👍

@alpulley4894

4 жыл бұрын

Last year I used a CBE slider. Decent sight overall. This year i have the Montana Pro sight and I have to say amazing quality. Hands down the best slider sight I have used. I have used Spott Hogg products in the past but i dont like their pin adjust system. MBG for me!

@nwmod39

4 жыл бұрын

@@alpulley4894 the pin adjust on the spot hogg is what is steering me towards black gold!

@cwilson80

4 жыл бұрын

I had used a 7 pin Spot Hog for years. Switched to 5 pin Black Gold Pro last year and LOVE it. Crystal clear pins, micro adjustments, and iron clad warranty will keep me with Black Gold. Also, doesn’t hurt they are a Montana company right down the road from me!

@WadeTheWild

4 жыл бұрын

I have the Black Gold pro 3 pin, but have always regretted not getting the 5 pin and taking one off. You’re the only other person I’ve heard mention it. 4 seems like the perfect setup. I was actually going to call Black Gold and ask them if I could order a pro pin and Allen screws so I could add one to mine.

The fact that you were able to break the MBG functioning the way it was intended(dialing the sight while it’s locked shouldn’t break the sight, it should only stop the sight from sliding) is exactly why I would never use one. I also had one break in the field.

I had used a 7 pin Spot Hog for years. Switched to 5 pin Black Gold Pro last year and LOVE it. Crystal clear pins, micro adjustments, and iron clad warranty will keep me with Black Gold. Also, doesn’t hurt they are a Montana company right down the road from me!

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

yeah yeah - we like that too!

This topic is what took the longest for my build. Ended up going with the Black Golf Pro sight with 3 pins. And I absolutely love the sight. Once mounted and tightened, the sight is solid absolutely no noise from it.

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

glad you're happy with it ✊

I have been looking at the both of these for this year: Great info thank you.

Great video, I like how you brought your own experiences to the table in your review. I am looking for a new site and I think I am going to go with the black gold now. Great video.

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

MBG is a great sight - we're both running it on our hunting setups this september - TC

Great timing! I am gathering accessories for my first bow and have been going back and forth between spot hogg and black gold!

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

glad this could help 🤘

I’ve been looking at the black gold pro sight and I really like your idea of modding the 5 into a 4 pin. Keep the great content coming! You’re killing it with these videos

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

we try hard! thank you

@AtotheK17

4 жыл бұрын

@@JSANDERS247 Thanks for letting me know, I went to black golds sight and could find it. I appreciate it!

I love my Option 6. It has all the fixed pins for elk with a slider pin and then I have a single pin sight for my Whitetail and turkey hunting . Best 2 in 1 sight out there.

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's pretty gangster

Black Gold's on all 3 of my hunting bows! I have a Spot Hogg Hunter in the shop for a backup, but those things are HEAVY!

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

word up!

That was a great explanation of the products

I have the black gold pro 3 pin on my hunting bow and the 5 pin fast eddie on my 3d bow. Love the Fast Eddie however the light capturing ability on the black Gold is noticeably better. Other than that you cannot go wrong with either. Nice review mate, thanks for the video.

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

thanks they are both great options

Both EXCELLENT sight manufacturers. I also ended up with one of each: Black Gold 7-pin ‘Rush’, with the ‘Big Dog’ housing for my KISS fixed sight, ultralight, hunting setup. No muss, no fuss. Just range, pick your pin, and shoot. Tommy Hogg for my 3d, shooting way farther than I would hunting, fun & games bow.

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

Tim here.. I think I'm going MBG next.. Spott Hogg is built for War, it's sooo heavy... Try to lighten up my setup a bit

Tommy Hogg is solid mount with three different mount positions and the wheel is enclosed. Can get it in the single, double, and multi pin. I’m trying the double pin as soon as my sight gets here.

Man I’m still undecided between the Montana and the fast Eddie, really like the three pin and slide but I also like a 1 3/4 sight housings on the fast Eddie

I’m using the fast Eddie w/2 pin. Take note of the top of the level bubble, it’s about the same distance as the gap between the 2 pins. You can use it as a 3 pin if you figure out the yardage distance difference. I’m shooting 575 grains at 65# at roughly 250’/sec. I have about a 13 yard distance between my 1st and 2nd pin. It’s close to the same for my bubble top. Give it a try when you are working on your nice new range. 😀

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

oh yes---we've used the top part of the bubble 🤘

@justinryan1488

2 жыл бұрын

Kinda like that, so ideally I just back up and use the top of my bubble without sliding the sight and go from there ?

@marcgulko6893

2 жыл бұрын

@@justinryan1488 yes, try the same yardage distance as you 1st to 2nd pin, and go that far back. In a sense, you’ll have a 3 pin setup, then you can dial in father distances after that.

This is a vote for the new MBG Pro Single Pin (or any single pin for that matter). I am an elk and mule deer hunter. I cannot stand pin clutter. I have used a single pin sight for years without issue on moving or stationary shots. Review Darrin Cooper's Trick-Pin System (essentially with your pin set at a default of 45 -50 yds, depending on bow speed, with a 12" low hold you are in the kill zone from 10-40 yds; a 12" low on a mature bull is right at the bottom of the brisket so you have an built-in spot). Beyond 40 I have found you generally have time to set up and move the sight. Works incredibly well; simple, quick and no thinking required when that bull is coming in closely. Try it, you will be amazed!

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

A lot of successful hunters roll with single pins.. preference though for sure

Awesome video. This year I went with the Pro 3 pin. So far I am loving that thing.

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

RUEBEN - thanks bro. Did you see your shout out in the previous video? TC

@ruebencaballero9511

4 жыл бұрын

BRO!!!!! I missed it. As soon as Dan said “we’ll catch you guys on the next one” I stopped it. Wow! You guys are the best! I still wanna see the stach challenge lol. ElkShape Community taking over!!

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

@@ruebencaballero9511 sahhweeet - dude can't take your eyes off the video, never know when we are going to sprinkle little golden nuggets in 🤘

I'm using the MBG Mountain Lite 3 pin. This is my first year using a slider. I only went this route so I could use the Trick Pin system. It's working well so far.

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

word up - quality site

I’ve used a black gold 3 pin for years. It’s awesome. My pin setup is 20 40 50. I use the slider for my top pin. I know you won’t be disappointed with the black gold sight if you’re on the fence about which way to go.

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

it's $$$

Hi. I was recently shopping for a new sight for my VXR and I went onto the black gold website and you can actually customize your own sight. You could have a four pin and also different pin sizes. Also loved the video!

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

very cool 🤘

Good info there. I'm going to stick with my old Black Gold. Just need to get a sight tape setup.

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

sight tapes are helpful lol

Black Gold!!! dont forget Dan they have an unconditional guarantee and you can buy extra pins or build your own custom setup for your needs. plus the pin brightness is second to none. I have the new mountain lite too

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

word up

The double pin Fast Eddie is all you need. I leave it set to 30 and 45 by default and that allows quick shots out to 50. Practice using the pins for off yardages so you're not moving the sight so much while hunting. e.g. high 40, low 30, etc.

I haven't tried a MGB but I can say I'm loving my 3 pin Fast Eddie. Top 2 pins are .019s and bottom pin is .010. First pin is zeroed at 20, second pin 30, third pin at 40yds and the third pin is on the slider/sight tape, which enables me to shoot to 95yds with a 550gr arrow.

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

cool setup!

Great review!!! I was debating between the Hogg Father and the Black Gold Pro. Now considering the Fast Eddie XL. What I do like about my Black Gold 3 pin slider I have currently is I can move the pins down in the housing to get my 50 yard pin right above the bubble. Do you prefer a vertical pin or the horizontal pins like on the Black Gold and does having the Spot Hoggs pin way above the bubble bother you?

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

No it doesn't bother... it's really a preference on the pin styles.. hard to pick for either of us at this moment in time...

I have the black gold in the 3 pin and the single pin. I sold the spot hog fast Eddie due to in my opinion that the black gold sights are just better. I like where the sight tape is located better on the B.G . It's vertical in your line of sight the S.H is on a dial so you have to move your head or the bow sometimes to see the yardage. No need for a light on the B.G unlike the S.H you can see your pins easily before and after legal shooting light. Pins never halo in direct sunlight. I could go on and on with what I like better about the B.G . I never contacted S.H customer service but I did B.G because I fell with my bow climbing some rocks and it broke a piece on the sight. They offered to pay the shipping to and from them or send me the part at no charge. Had the part in 2 day's. I have dealt with several customer services and the only better or just as good is Vortex optics.

that sight has some good gription. i think i need it

you should have made a video about taking the pin out of the pro sight. I just did that and it was a nightmare. Luckily they're put together well because let just say there was a lot of brute strength that went into getting that thing out

I've seen a few guys talk about quiver clearance issues with the Black Gold Pro. Have you experienced that, and if so, how did you deal with it?

I run the Fast Eddie single pin. i used to run a 4 pin, but I enjoy having less going on in the sight housing

I bought a custom revenge from MBG custom shop. Top of the line fixed 5 pin with all the micro adjustments and I got the bigger housing too. I hunt whitetail in the mountains I’ll rarely ever have a shot past 60. If I went to a mover I think I’d highly consider the option 4s 3 fixed one mover and there is no locking mechanism for the sliding pin so no stripping like you did

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

yeah that is a cool concept - having the option to see more pins or not

Do you all find the elevation adjustment knob to feel inconsistent throughout its travel on the black gold pro sight? I just got a new one and I find as I slide past the flush position it feels stiffer to turn. Any input on this from other users would be appreciated. Thank you

I run a custom BG Ascent Verdict 4 pin from S&S Archery with the 4th pin being my slider and .010" instead of .019" like the first three pins. It's been a great sight.

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome setup!

Running the black gold mountain light 4 pin with the pic rail adapter.

I have the double pin fast eddie xl. And it is beyond badass.

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

That's what I want - I've got the three pin.. give me the double ... - TC

MBG Pure Gold 5 pin is my sight of choice

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

🤘

I have spot Hogg 7 pin I feel it’s a bit to much at times I find myself having to count pins for yards as I forget I use for elk I am tempted to take my loss and buy 4-5 pin spot Hogg what sight do u recommend also I have thought about going from a standard finger release to a thumb release how much better do u like urs over the standard do u have better accuracy more stable hand please let me know bud thanks

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

Hey Sean, Tim here, aside from all the preferences that go into choosing a sight.. Both Dan and I like a slider anywhere from 2-4 pins.. I don't think you can go wrong with either of these brands they are built to last

I have the Tommy HOGG It has been a Great site.

This is an outstanding review and video, very well articulated and put together.

Running a 3-pin fast eddie, but if MBG sights were available here in Australia I would have gone for something like an Ascent Verdict in a 3 pin. My biggest criticism of the fast eddie is the adjustment for the individual pins is fiddly to say the least.

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

yeah they hold up very well though once set 🤘

“I like big bubbles and I cannot lie” to funny bro

@zacharybranstetter8096

4 жыл бұрын

I enjoy your content keep it up!

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

@@zacharybranstetter8096 thank you 🙏 we're trying!

What stabilizer is on this build?

Have you guys ever tried the CBE MULTI PIN sliders. They are excellent.

@ElkShape

2 жыл бұрын

not yet.. ABT

Black gold has a custom shop where you can have them make it exactly how you want it.

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

I heard black gold has a custom shop where you can make them exactly how you want, lol

Do you use any magnification?

Is the only difference between the Mountain Lite 3 pin and the Ascent Verdict Assault 3 pin the micro adjust? If so, what site head would you recommend over the two? Thanks brother, dig the vids.

@feyrband

Жыл бұрын

Mountain lite comes with the smaller/lighter mount and has a 2nd indicator arrow. It has micro but on the 3rd axis only.

I don't think you will have a problem with the single pin for elk. Set your sight at 25 then you can shoot 20-30 no adjustment. And personally I would not take a guess shot past 30 anyway so I think it works great

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

Tim here - Dan has killed over 30 elk on public land.. His opinion is well thought out

Question for you. With the Fast Eddie, are you stuck with whatever yardage spacing you get for your 2nd and 3rd pins, based on the sight tape that you use? Sounds like you can set the pins on the Pro to whatever you want.

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

you can set pins and slide one on the 3 and 5 pin sliders... dual pin sliders you are stuck with the spacing... that's my understanding - TC (i run the 3 pin slider)

@hall5348

4 жыл бұрын

Elk Shape Ok thanks! And I assume the bottom pin is the adjustable one on the 3,5,or 7 pins?

what's the max range you're getting off the BG Pro sight? i would like to buy a sight for TAC (~120yds) thank you

@ElkShape

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a great option 110-120ish

I set up my Black Gold Pro yesterday. I adjusted 1st and 2nd axis. I went to adjust 3rd axis...I was using my vise and turned the bow down to a 45 degree angle and my bubble was all the way to the right side. So I started turning bolt and the suggested 1/2 turn of that bolt got me super close to the middle but not perfect. Think it’s ok to turn it a hair more to get it centered or just do the recommended 1/2 turn? I went back and checked 1st, and 2nd a is and they were perfect.

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

Time to go test it in the field and make final adjustments there! Good job.

I think I’m going with the BG 3 pin

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

sweet deal

Have you shot the Black Gold mountain lite and the Ascent Verdict? I'm between the two for my VXR 28. Opinions on them?

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

comes down to preference my friend!

@Zacksquatch_Outdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Elk Shape I think after rewatching the video, you've talked me into the Black Gold Pro.

What Color combos is that orange an black string

Hey Dan. I got a question! I am trying out a Tommy Hog 5 pin slider that a buddy wants to sell me. I like its durability, but it seems heavy. Are the black golds equally heavy? Are they lighter and just as durable? @elkshape

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

they are lighter.. off hand don't have weights.. but websites should list the weights

@archeryelkhunter

4 жыл бұрын

Elk Shape thanks man!! Keep up the content

Do you know if the fast Eddie is lighter than the fast Eddie XL?

@toddlustine983

2 жыл бұрын

It is substantially lighter

I am in Oregon

Hey I'm super new to bow hunting. I just bought my first bow 2 days ago. I have an elk tag out here in Utah What is your opinion on running 125 grain muzzy broadhead for elk and cutting my arrows down to 28 3/4" to increase my f.o.c... my draw length is 28". My current field tip are 125 grain to get used to it. Also being a beginner do you think I need more than a 3 pin sight?

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

We like a total arrow weight anywhere from 450-525 grains seems to be the sweet spot.. 3 Pin sight could be great if you know your effective yardage - TC

@AV1776

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Tyler. If you're interested in learning more about arrow dynamics and FOC I would check out the Ranch Fairy KZread channel. He has a ton of great information about that subject. Also check out the Ashby Bowhunting Foundation.

Love my fast Eddie xl .single pin

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

awesome!

@jdelicate1

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video ! I honest feel like a lot has to do with personal preference. I found more than 1 pin and my eyes constantly wanna jump . 1 just helps me dial in better . Keep up the videos brother !

I like my trophy ridge fix three pin. 20,30,40. Simple, I hunt whitetail. I don’t need anything past 40 yards. If I did I’d want to shoot more then 48 pounds.

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

word

I Run the single pin fast Eddie XL

I have a hoggfather on my Mathews and it is heavy but I'm okay with it. I'm thinking of getting a black gold for my hoyt. Not sure which model tho. Recommendations??

@SNAGEMNTAG3M

4 жыл бұрын

I have a cheaper black gold rush currently and have been thinking of upgrading to either the pro or the black gold ascent verdict those are the 2 I recommend due to haveing a great experience with the one I have now

@jimr7154

4 жыл бұрын

Black And Gold pro you won’t be sorry 😉👍

What is the price difference between the two sights?

@noahbyers8803

3 жыл бұрын

It's in the video at about 15:00

Heavy Lol. You should see my Safari. I run lasers, Hog lights, ir lights and a 7 pin Hog father. I use it with Dtnvgs to kill Pigs at night with lights or no lights at all. Makes me wanna try Elk Hunting now.

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

many many miles hiked with the bow will reconsider the total weight of the setup... it's all good though, and we are glad it works for you! hope you get to give elk hunting a shot

@64jumpers3

4 жыл бұрын

@@ElkShape Right On.

Might want to take a look at Sword Sights. You can customize any sight, number of pins, color and size of pins. They build to customers order. I have the Sniper Pro, its exemplary in quality. 👌

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

cool - good to hear about new/different brands

Could I not just use the BG sight and go 30, 40, 50? With 3 pin

5 pin fast Eddie is what I run.

Only gripe I have for the black gold is no sight light.

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

yeah that is true - i've never used my sight light but damn it would be nice where it is legal.. - TC

For me I see absolutely zero point in a 20 yard pin especially for elk hunting. Impact difference of maybe 3” for most set ups. I run 30, 40, 50 if 3 pin. Hogg father for the ability micro everything and the ability to use the etched tape to help sight in even better especially if you make your own tapes!

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

word up - glad it works for you ✊

@chrisochoa1222

4 жыл бұрын

@@ElkShape Thanks for the videos though! Definitely helps pass the time! Hey didn't you have a video on calling from Joel Turner coming out? I thought you mentioned it on calling techniques there would be another with him? Maybe I misunderstood... He is legitness!

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

@@chrisochoa1222 it's right here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lK2ixLWwZZa6psY.html

I have been thinking of getting the black gold pro site this video couldn't have come at a more perfect time ...when the pro sight is extended all the way out and you shoot does the bow have extra noise

@jimr7154

4 жыл бұрын

I just got a Black Gold Pro 3 pin I had it extended all the way out on my TRIAX and there was no noise I moved it back 1 notch just as my preference. Overall I love the sight. I found instructions on setting a bit lacking but found videos to help out. Overall I'm very pleased with it and would absolutely recommend it as a sight

@SNAGEMNTAG3M

4 жыл бұрын

@@jimr7154 that's what I'm talking about so what your saying is only one negative you can come up with and not even that big of a deal

@jimr7154

4 жыл бұрын

snag em n tag em I honestly did not notice any extra noise extending all the way out. Like I said I brought it in 1 notch just to get better peep alignment for me. Love the sight. I had a CBE 4 pin fixed before good sight this is much much better the photocromamatic feature is the bomb

@SNAGEMNTAG3M

4 жыл бұрын

@@jimr7154 I agree the photocromatic system is pretty dope all the way around and that's good new for me I'm ordering later today thanks for the insight my dude 👍

@drc9460

4 жыл бұрын

Like everyone else is saying, the pro sight is dead quiet no matter what. I love mine on my VXR 31.5

Same here I can’t hunt elk with one pin.

@ElkShape

4 жыл бұрын

word up!

Why does nobody seem to like 5 pin?

@2ndAveScents

3 жыл бұрын

Most people feel like it clutters up the sight picture a little too much, and you don’t need 5 pins to be effective if you set up a 3 properly.

I have a 5 pin Black gold pro. I'm pretty new to archery and I'm finding the pins adjustments are actually kind of a pain in the ass. Almost to the point that I wonder if my sight is malfunctioning. For instance if I loosen the screws to adjust the 30 pin and click the dial down, I can see it does not move.. It will take 4 or 5 clicks before it starts to move, and then when I tighten the screws again, you can see the pin move back up! Super annoying. Have you or anybody dealt with this?

@ElkShape

3 жыл бұрын

Give them a call - they'll make sure you're on the right track

@ryanstewart1803

3 жыл бұрын

Read the instructions. Loosen the body screw three turns that controls whatever pin you want to move, loosen the pin 1/4 turn then micro adjust away. I had the same issue when I first got the black gold pro. Once you figure that out you'll never go back.

How can you score the Black Gold a 9.5 for Durability when you broke it hunting. You had to go to your back up bow, because the Black Gold failed you... (even if you misused it, it still broke during your hunt) An honest Durability score would be 5 or lower. Imagine you were a hunter without a "Back up Bow" Your hunt would have ENDED because the sight failed. I appreciate you telling us you are "supported" by Black Gold, but that support has biased your review even it was a subconscious influence. All decision are based on Trade-Offs. Durability versus weight. Price versus quality. No sight is perfect and will never be perfect, but scoring these sights with only 8,9 and 10s is not very informative.....even if it is lucrative.

@landonbragg4336

2 жыл бұрын

Scoring them compared to the other sught options, not compared to an industructable object

@justjabki2079

2 жыл бұрын

If I remember the episode he’s talking about I think he ran over it with a atv. So nothing is really going to survive that

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