Respect to Rori, she found the balance of standing her ground without stepping or talking down on anyone. Big up sisi💯❤️

@Uayandaaa

22 күн бұрын

Rorisang was so respectful 🥵❤️

May God increase Ousi Rorisang❤ what a Gift she is

@snethembamaseko7603

Ай бұрын

lol

Wow, Bishop Joshua Maphunga is a true African, not a coconut.

@Rowlene.

2 ай бұрын

Who's a coconut kanti?😮

I like Rorisang and the fact that she acknowledges that Christians have acted superior for a very long time, which has actually pushed people far away from God. But now that we are preaching the gospel without bashing any religion, it does make sense for a lot of people. "I have never said you are crazy for speaking to dead people"

@Rowlene.

2 ай бұрын

"I never said you're crazy for speaking to dead people" lol that killed me😂this is why I love her❤

Rorisang is very wise❤️❤️ at no point she has insulted or intimidated any of them to get the message across!!

@thembelaloliwe7866

Жыл бұрын

Wise but immature 🙄

@motsetau9765

Жыл бұрын

i totally agree with you but her interrupting Maponga's point interrupted us from learning a thing or two

@kamvamgwaza7142

Жыл бұрын

She was only speaking English from private school. 90% of what she said was based on ignorance, and she was emotional and couldn't tolerate facts throughout the entire show.

@Anti-IsraeliteDefamationLeague

10 ай бұрын

*Insult & Intimidation is LITERALLY how Christianity replaced our Heritage. Perhaps these tools should be wielded and not shunned?*

@jerrymagqadaza3648

6 ай бұрын

I had to disagree with u on that one there's nothing wise for her points, and remember listening is a skill

This ppl where not ready for truth ❤MR MAPONGA

Maponga you nailed it baba👏 and Jackie is pissed off 😂

This was great. One needs emotional maturity to participate in such debates, and the humility to be teachable - learn and unlearn.

The unapologetic J. Maponga,😂😂😂😂😂😂 I love you my brother

I love how Ousi Rorisang sticks to her word❤️✝️may God bless her and give her strength

@siverafuza8398

Жыл бұрын

She's ignorant and a coconut. She couldn't even deal with the facts Maponga J was dropping.

@user-tk8vm4kx6y

10 ай бұрын

But still she failed to answer that KO question, whats a use of making noise if you can't answer important questions?

@ditebogo_damson

10 ай бұрын

@user-tk8vm4kx6y So according to you, she was making noise👀honestly I don't see it in that way, as people, we have different beliefs, and some questions are not meant to be asked, save them for Heaven

@user-mt6kx1ke4j

9 ай бұрын

These are loud mouths who pretend to be woke and think everything is a competition

i respect and adore Rori...graceful, and well articulated and she stayed true to her personal encounter with Christ, and didn't allow other ppl to sway her despite her limited knowledge of African spirituality ( that she noted herself, which was very mature). I love her and i want to start following her..

This conversation was very emotional and personal . People did things to each other in the past 😂😂

@anastasimankesemokgobu1724

10 ай бұрын

That's what I am picking up

Maponga worships himself

@masibongesibiya6315

5 ай бұрын

It’s beautiful.

@sisandalisa2215

Ай бұрын

As he should - he is an African.

@neomofokeng2755

24 күн бұрын

I couldn't agree more

“Where you gather and start debating about God, the chairperson of that meeting is the devil himself”

@lwazimofokeng6472

19 күн бұрын

I was about to comment, then i went past your comment, and boom, i counldnt bring myself to. You are spot on there, though sometimes you wish to put your two cent opinion because of the many untruths that these people are projecting as truth.

Mr Joshua Maponga smoked all of them. Dr. Khehlelezi of course shared the same sentiments as him. It was not an intellectual conversation because they couldn't actually back up what they say so they started involving their emotions. There's a point where the host spoke for over 1 minute, just, ranting. I know because I was skipping through it. I feel bad for the people who were watching on TV... They had to just eat it.🤣🤣🤣

@ntandonkosi8115

19 күн бұрын

REAL

Speaking the language of the colonialist to say you are not colonized iz crazy business

@williamvandermerwe4690

22 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@Uayandaaa

22 күн бұрын

Its a common language. If it were for him we know very well they would be speaking their own language

These ladies need to read more and feed their knowledge, it's embarrassing to be destroyed by 1 person

@NaMkhonto

Ай бұрын

So the other Christian guy knows better than the ladies?

Not Maponga saying l won't use big words and gave a long list of the big words😂😂😂

@MsTAmazing

Жыл бұрын

but he didn't use big words unless I'm confused on what is considered "big words"

I'm going to say this once and I hope you hear me twice. Yoh. Ntate Maponga. You are a true African Teacher.

high this conversation needs a mature person who does not take things by the heart coz wow, ..never the less, i love Maponga

I think this is a matter of "staying in your lane" if you believe in something and it works for you. Stay there, don't castigate what others believe in.

@saidey28

2 ай бұрын

You said it right!!!!!!! OMW

South Africa let’s pray for Rorisang

@kamvamgwaza7142

10 ай бұрын

Why?

For a man who is so opposed the to Eurocentric perspective it’s so interesting that he places that very same Eurocentric education system on such a high pedestal.

@buyimajola4245

Жыл бұрын

Ok so how else must he express his opposition?

@NathiM03

Жыл бұрын

@@buyimajola4245 I’m not opposing that he use Eurocentric educational systems and methods, what I am implying is how hypocritical he is. The very same Europeans who he passionately opposes in the religious context (by the way that is a misinformed stance) created the Eurocentric educational system which he prides himself with when making an argument towards the opposition. So Eurocentrism is good when they colonise our way of learning and education and it’s something he can even brag about when mentioning how learned he is but it’s not when they “colonise” our way of worship and individuals choose to adopt that within their personal lives.

@buyimajola4245

Жыл бұрын

@@NathiM03 right, I hear you. Do you think he is awe of his hypocrisy? Chances are he is not awe, coz he should mention it as a disclaimer, when he makes a point.

@mathaleaphatela

Жыл бұрын

@@NathiM03 THIS!!!

@kingnandi5563

Жыл бұрын

It is very interesting to see Unathu, so crazy

I love Ausi Rorisang soo much

Solomon is shaking 😂😂..

These are the convos we should be having not what we having at the moment. Respecting each others believes

Maphongo and khehlelezi thnk they know it all😢

@masibongesibiya6315

5 ай бұрын

They know more than their debatees

Where would Joshua Maponga be if he didn't study at white colonial university's and fly out of Zimbabwe on white colonial planes. He wouldn't even be a part of this conversation without his education at this white colonial institutions, we wouldnt care on his opinion. so why does he ask Rorisang where would she be spiritually if a "white colonial Christianity" didn't come to Africa. He must ask himself where would HE be?

@ceekayouu25

Жыл бұрын

Uyabhuda wena

@siveswartbooi

Жыл бұрын

@@ceekayouu25 hai s'ka!

@aronmelisizwemaseti7110

11 ай бұрын

Ubheda mpela

@nkululekosonwabo9384

11 ай бұрын

You're Talking shit 😂 what a weak statement. Uyabhuda strong

@user-js3ex4bc2y

2 ай бұрын

Shut up and listen

Christianity is so strong that’s it faith can blind you from facts at any cost for your spiritual growth. Even if Christ came and told us about the acknowledgment of our ancestors we still wouldn’t accept it because we are hell bent on believing in what makes us comfortable not what will make us grow.

After listening to this debate again again i understand that what Joshua maponga said is the real truth but people don't understand it .sad reality By the way m from northeast India (naga tribe) Thank you maponga for your wisdom 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

I love you rori to stand up for you God and only God, My the good God increase and bless you

They is nothing great about Maponga he is just so boastfull and proud which God says he hates

Maponga don't deserve the Title of Bishop .

@kamvamgwaza7142

10 ай бұрын

Give us 2 reasons

Lol Dr Joshua Maphonga was STANDING ON BUSINESS 🤣🤣🤣✊🏿

Maponga is a genius.

It’s such a shame to see a black person fighting for a western culture like this 💔 and very heartbreaking

Rorisang killed this 🫶

@kamvamgwaza7142

Жыл бұрын

She had no input TBH.

@MsTAmazing

Жыл бұрын

Exactly.. She was supposed to moderate but jumped in the debate emotionally charged smh

@gobimotswatswe5098

4 ай бұрын

She doesn't know about he black culture, she doesn't know that she wil be a ancestor to her children says it all. She has to find out about where she comes from.

@Rowlene.

2 ай бұрын

​@@gobimotswatswe5098For ini?? Why does she have to do all that?

@The-Resistance

Ай бұрын

She does not understand that you have to generalise when you are making a point.

Rory Rory Wow may God give you more intelligent very Proud of You ❤kego Rata Lerato la love

This was the question. I asked my mother 10 year back she was brave to answer the question

I'm struggling to keep up with Maponga's vocabulary 😩😂

@masebekwena3041

Жыл бұрын

😂

@thembelaloliwe7866

Жыл бұрын

Maponga and Steve Kompela, same whatsi group 😁

@Anti-IsraeliteDefamationLeague

10 ай бұрын

*Then follow his train of THOUGHT.*

I bless God for Rorisang's life.....❤❤❤❤Much love for you Rorisang❤❤

Maponga then doesn't want christians to preach the gospel

Maponga destroyed them all, the moment they started getting emotional they were already losing

The intros to their names at the beginning are fire 🤣🔥🔥🔥☝🏾

Pastor Joshua is the Goat 🐐. 👏🏾

Maponga was in a roomful of ignorance. Jackie Phamotse had no input. Don't understand why she was invited. Rorisang was speaking English from private school. 95% of what she said was ignorance. Solomon found out. Doctor Khehlelezi had so much input that Jackie and Rorisang but language barrier made these two undermine him. Rorisang and Jackie are emos and could not withstand facts put forward by Maponga that's why they rely on their feelings to win the viewers.

Dr khehlelezi is actually agreeing with maponga J😂😂😂❤️

@siverafuza8398

Жыл бұрын

He smiles whenever Maponga J speaks. 😄

I must say tht Maponga triggered something where he spoke about "colonial interruption". I believe we r a people that evolve with time. So encountering ol kinds of winds and spaces in the world, we r bound to become a changed ppl in time. But the with problem with these eurocentric believe systems, they were imposed upon a people in order to evaporate that of the African indigenous. And for any African to identify with eurocentricism, impolite as it may sound, it's a shame. Lack of knowledge of who we r makes it excusable for Africans to identify with eurocentricism.

Anyone who called themselves Christian but don't follow Jesus Christ's foot steps that person is not Christian I doesn't matter how much they go to church!

the other lady was just shouting so I couldn't hear her point ,and why is it every time maponga makes a point they talk over him to block his point

This topic is so interesting, sadly only one person was qualified to have this conversation and was not even a little bit challenged by the other speakers because they all know very little about what they practice. This conversation was also just so poorly mediated. Will the true apologetics please stand up!

This was my best conversation bcz I kind of relate to Roli

This could have been a proper debate ,if there were 0% emotions attached and 100 % facts 😅😂. But overall..

@Anti-IsraeliteDefamationLeague

10 ай бұрын

*NOT GOING TO HAPPEN with WOMEN involved.*

I'm also wondering what the whole point of the show is if the people who don't know about African spirituality are not willing to listen?

baba Maponga you are the fountain of knowledge.

Mr Maponga is a giant...

If you really want to learn when one is speaking take what you don't know,and learn from it 1.do not make a point and want to be heard as if what you know is better than what other people knows, This doesn’t need emotional feelings to learn.great chat

I do agree with the statement that ausi Rorisang saying we need to be willing to learn others believe to understand not judge.

maponga is a legend,he got the ladies emotional cause of his knowledge

@Uayandaaa

22 күн бұрын

I despise the concept that when women defend their case its regarded as being emotional, Maponga went on and on with Solomon nobody regarded that as emotional. Indeed the patriarchal system needs to be dimished yeses.

And Ashoms lied to the viewers and his colleagues when he said he dreamed of God😂😂😂😂

@yamkelamajikela1915

Ай бұрын

Hawu 😂 yaz I thought I was the only one that picked that up

Eish 😂🤣🤣😂i think this Solomon was in a wrong place he needs to go and prepare himself cause hhmmm

Maponga never insult anyone

@ZoxoloMpungose

Жыл бұрын

Thank you🙏

Joshua Maphonga🙌🏿🔥

Cha ngiyavuma kodwa uyanjan enkonzwen ungeke wakhothamele umfundis ophambikwakho I lov this uph umagejageja kodwa😂😂😂😂

Fear God who can build & destroy the only God who created everything

@Uayandaaa

22 күн бұрын

Did you see God create everything?

We really need another episode on this topic

Rorisang❤️

Education ❤️‍🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🙏🏽

Maponga dismantled them with knowledge and understanding out of their brutal ignorance!

@Uayandaaa

22 күн бұрын

❤

#BRINGBACKOURPEOPLE MAPONGA❤️🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

Maponga is very rude and disrespectful, I was interested in his point of view and the knowledge he has but he leaves such a distasteful impression that I do not want to go and view more of his videos. I hope he can get off his very high horse and converse without being disrespectful.

@i.amKeke_

Жыл бұрын

Maponga is very RUDE! Even if he's speaking facts, you can't even listen to him because his arrogance is out of this world.

@kamvamgwaza7142

Жыл бұрын

​@@i.amKeke_Don't let your emotions get in your way. Takes facts. No excuses.

@MsTAmazing

Жыл бұрын

How is he rude?

Next time please call Portia Mohau to represent Christians

I'm not sorry😭. Yooh he was personal

Maphonga mos o tlile mo go re gakantsha ka sekgowa😫😫😫

@just_mohau5692

3 ай бұрын

😂😂

Nco.. i sympathise with Solomon😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Maponga Honestly Needs To Respect Others

@kamvamgwaza7142

Жыл бұрын

How?

@MsTAmazing

Жыл бұрын

What did he do? It's a debate, right?

@sincedilexaba8746

9 ай бұрын

Honestly.but his followers protect him

Maponga all day!

as I sit and enjoy the discussion but skip every part where maponga speaks, this man until he deals with his massive ego and pride I can't even take him seriously, o lenyatso okare ga se mogolo and highly misguided no wonder he calls himself bishop even though he does not believe in the very thing he labels himself as, that's pure deception to start with, I cannot hold a container full of donuts and label the outside of it 'scones', that's not just deception but confusion/misrepresentation and a lie in a nutshell to the layman and he uses it to gain a sense of honour which he does not posess cos of the lies he tells to mislead others, sorry to those who idolise him because they are too blinded from worshiping his supposed "intellect" that they can't even see through the facade, he groups believers into one box and says 'the arrogance of christianity" yet fails to deal with his own arrogance from within perfectly displayed on show in this video as well.. "before you remove the speck from your brothers eye remove the log from yours first" Bible says, these must be the verses which made him run from the Bible, people who can't stand to hear the truth often do that best, the way he bows his head when others are speaking showing he is not even listening just goes to show he believes get bigger and smarter than all of them and didnt come to learn anything but ridicule and push own agenda yoh, heal sir,

Religion has messed us up. It's pathetic.

Rorisang took this personal and she contradicted herself there. So she is conscious of the fact that Christians "born again" per se are judgemental toward African culture/traditions.

J Maponga

Maponga ❤

Joshua 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💯

Tell them Maponga

Dr Khehlelezi 😂😂😂😂😂poor man.

🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ Maponga. Speaking over people does not make your point stronger.

Our ancestors are speaking to us through ntate Maponga J.

Teacher Maponga❤❤

You need to be mature and emotionally intelligent too understand Bishop Mapongha

@mathaleaphatela

Жыл бұрын

Not really, he's just using big words to unpack very basic concepts. It takes actual emotional maturity to respect people even when you're not in agreement with them, he failed in that regard.

@user-nq6qd3tr1r

Жыл бұрын

@@mathaleaphatela They probably big words to you , he is from Zim they were colonized by the English so most of them use big vocabulary.

@ashleykgaladi22

Жыл бұрын

​@@user-nq6qd3tr1rstill he failed to respect others because they hold a different opinion from theirs, that says much about him as a person.

@kamvamgwaza7142

Жыл бұрын

​@mathaleaphatela6134 Maponga didn't use big words to insult others. If you heard him very well. He's got a skill of capitalizing on Jackie and Rorisang ignorance and emotions. Rorisang and Jackie had no input in this debate TBH. They are using emotions to win the viewers over.

@Ameliyah_Tebz

10 ай бұрын

actully its the opposite

Maponga to the world

Jackie is a hypocrite because she’s been undermining Solomon when the show started.

@Tanya-br6xd

3 күн бұрын

Yes, idk if she has too much pride or what but she has been very critical and also picking fights...it's nt abt her..yoh

These youth of today's time are full of anger, lack of respect and a lot of lack of knowledge. Unfortunate. The settlers did a great job and it will be very difficult for Africans to find their roots this way.

Jesus Christ is our Lord and saviour and God... that is all i Can say..i don't debate over these things..i know who my Creater is..we will all answer for ourselves when we leave this Earth.

We have never went to enforce our spiritual beliefs to Europe yet we were enforce to theirs, Christianity is the shame to our African soil as a whole,I wish for multiple brothers like Maponga who will stand for us as natives.

Maponga✌✌✌✌

Oh Maponga claims to be well read and researched then he should know the origins of Christianity 🙄

Why are the ladies angry it hard for Africa to accept to the truth

Joshua Maponga is arrogant.

Maphonga met his match to Rorisang

Dankie Maphonga