There's no tactics used just varying levels of sheer incompetence.

@ArghastOfTheAlliance

6 жыл бұрын

What to expect from this irrational, overrated franchise of science fantasy.

@failedexperiment9073

6 жыл бұрын

Simon C Like in pretty much any other space opera...

@SupermanBlack1987

6 жыл бұрын

NightRaven 1901 man if Commander / Admiral Adama was in charge of the resistance. You wouldn't need Jedis to defeat the first order. Under his leadership they would have made very short work of the first order.

@SupermanBlack1987

6 жыл бұрын

NightRaven 1901 that man has done a lot more with a lot less.

@irradiatedslagheap7933

6 жыл бұрын

What does the abbreviation CAP stand for? I'm a poor, foolish humanoid who has not yet been informed, or (more likely) I've forgotten.

What bothers me most is the suddenly reduced scope. The Prequels had a massive war. The OT ended with a huge battle. And the new movies? We're back to 20 fighters and that's it. I was hyped for TLJ. I thought the Republic and the First Order would slug it out for real, now that they officially fight each other. And what did we get? "The First Order rules!" Off screen, without explanation. The Sith needed 1000 years, a chancellor and the Clone Wars to conquer the galaxy. The FO apparently does it in a week.

@eurosn7322

6 жыл бұрын

Vys Erion This /\ /\ /\ Not to mention Valkorion era.

@darykeng

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, OT ENDED by big battle, but we still DONT SEE Ep9

@cptTK421

6 жыл бұрын

The New Republic was largely if not entirely demilitarized, and if there were any military personnel and/or vehicles, they were all blown up with the Hosnian System back in TFA. That system was also the home of the NR's Senate, so Hux was technically right about "the last day of the Republic"; with what little navy/army was left annihilated along with the entire Republic Senate, there's no one to back Leia's Resistance aside from herself and maybe a few more loyalists. Plus, the Resistance is a militant group with scrounging-scraps funding (those X-Wings are actually a couple decades old by TFA) from just one former Senator (and again, maybe a few loyalists), the First Order is a terrorist organization with all the big bucks of former Imperial aristocrats, and a good deal of tech and personnel; much more so than the Resistance. Honestly it's more of a "what shoulda happened" with the OT; the Infinite Funding Facists curbstomping the Old/Stolen Equipment Rebellion, due to sheer numbers at the very least. The Rebels should've lost at Yavin, probably should've been finished at Hoth (they lost, yes, but still pulled off an evac), and definitely should've been straight pulverized at Endor; but thanks to plot armor and "heRoeS NeVEr DiE", they win the 1st and 3rd major battles and survive the 2nd. I agree it could've been better executed, but I still liked it, and honestly it's nice to see the good guys actually suffer heavy losses (that we actually, explicitly see).

@CruelestChris

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah this whole demilitarised thing makes no damn sense since it's obvious the Imperial remnants weren't following suit, and it's also something that's never even been mentioned in the films. Besides, when you're talking about a military on a galactic scale you'd still need thousands of vessels just to do things like protect trade routes, there's no way everything should be sitting in orbit around a few random planets.

@darykeng

6 жыл бұрын

If I remember it right - New Repablic more focused on planets own Defence Fleets instead of big main fleets. And they have advanced technologys (like T-85 X-wing and the fact that Raddus was decommissioned ship)

The fact that this big scene demonstrated hyperspace to actually be a physical movement through material space rather than any sort of space-time folding created an enormous universe-spanning plot hole: if impacting another object under hyperdrive propulsion is this devastating, literally every ship should be armed to the gills with hyperspace torpedoes.

@RandomPerson8492

3 жыл бұрын

Hyperspace is canonically an entirely different dimension, so I can only guess either the Raddus and Supremacy were close enough that the collision happened while the Raddus was mid-transition into hyperspace, or the hyperdrive was somehow damaged and the Raddus failed to actually enter hyperspace. (Wouldn't that have been an embarrassing what-if, if the Raddus safely jumped) Of course, the whole movie was Johnson shitting on Star Wars lore, so..

@carsonm7292

3 жыл бұрын

@@RandomPerson8492 Even if that's the case, the fact remains that the hyperdrive has devastating potential use as a weapon, and nobody in-canon seems to recognize this even in the aftermath of the events of TLJ. Even if all that happened was a collision while accelerating into a transition to hyperspace rather than cutting through the ship during hyperspeed, that still means every ship should be armed with torpedoes that attempt a hyperspace jump during the final stretch on target. There would be literally no way to defend against this-even Interdictors would be vulnerable because a torpedo doesn't need a planetary protection failsafe for the Interdictor to exploit.

@rafetizer

3 жыл бұрын

@@carsonm7292 They'd probably employ a hyperspace railgun to shoot flak at enemy vessels. (well, some fantasy analog, anyway) Either way, a ship would get blasted before they even knew it happened.

@vaelophisnyx9873

3 жыл бұрын

@@carsonm7292 ​ @RandomPerson8492 so, iirc the explanation that's accepted by most folks is that the hyperspace tracker meant the Supremacy basically existed in both hyperspace as a shadow (like a planet), and normal space. This still doesn't explain why Holdo would've known, though.

@carsonm7292

3 жыл бұрын

@@vaelophisnyx9873 Still doesn't negate the fact that as of TLJ, hyperdrive technology has massive destructive potential and there's literally no reason why everybody shouldn't have weaponized it already.

I still cry at night about Admiral Akbar’s untimely death

@CedricBassman

6 жыл бұрын

Frankly i didn't even notice his death. I could barely stay awake while watching the movie.

@RoyalFusilier

6 жыл бұрын

That's a great example of the sheer mean-spiritedness of the Sequels towards anything that came before. There was no reason at all to kill off Ackbar in that manner. Not even shock value, as a whole lot of people, myself included, missed that it even happened. Certainly not for any story or character things. So then why do it at all? Same reason every recurring character from the OT has been stripped of competence and dignity in various ways, almost without any exceptions.

@multieyedmyr

6 жыл бұрын

Sniff...it's a... sniffle... it's a... sob... trapapap.

@Kutkitkat

6 жыл бұрын

Akbar should of sacrifised himself into that ship!

@andrewmaddox9786

6 жыл бұрын

It was a tough loss for me to take

Terrible tactical decisions? I'd argue there were NO tactical decisions... just sheer idiocy from both sides, which makes one wonder how either are a credible threat to the other without just being told 'They are'.

@thestrikewyvern2245

6 жыл бұрын

well the First Order had many and I mean MANY other ships just were attacking through the entire galaxy and the only ships to only attack were just a small bombardment fleet and the Supremacy and its escorts so threat to them is just quite off screen and as for the Resistance idk not sure whats the galaxy of that timeline so yeah idk

@wrayday7149

6 жыл бұрын

I will give the movie series one pass..... Hubris plays a big role in everyone's downfall, and it's no different here. The FO, instead of out flanking them, wanted them to know fear and terror ... as they kept firing to "Let them know we are still here". The Reb...estance were on their last legs and instead of splitting up they decided to stick to their stupid plan, which cost them everything.

@RXdash78

6 жыл бұрын

I mean the first order are essentially space 4chan so it makes sense they would suck in combat... but the resistence are supposed to be competent. Hell, bring along a squadron of B wings and that entire first battle is about 6 seconds long. Stupid big battleship with no point defensive is stupid, B wings are aweosme and torpedo the shit out of the requisite weak spot, Poe dies off screen from swallowing his own tongue, no vegas planet.

@hafor2846

6 жыл бұрын

Dragonfly gaming That off screen bullshit is what annoys me most to be honest. The Prequels dealt with a galaxy-wide war. The Originals had a somewhat small rebellion at start, but by Episode 6 we have the deciding battle of the galaxy. And the new ones? We're back to 20 fighters and some Star Destroyers. They could have made a gigantic war movie like Ep 3 with a new Republic fighting the Imperial remnant. But no, everything funny happened off screen...

@br9809

6 жыл бұрын

It all reflects back on the writer of course. Who knows nothing about the "war" part of Star Wars. And since this plays out like a bizarre submarine chase through murky waters (in open space), I gather he knows not much about the "star" part either.

Oh no our transport are getting shot , I wish we had something to shield them.

@shadosnake

6 жыл бұрын

CMDR. Shepard HAH too bad we didn't have a heavy cruiser right? Right guys? Guys?

@26th_Primarch

6 жыл бұрын

Wrex: " Shepard, those guys make the Citadel council's handling of the Reapers look competent...."

@user-jp7tw3sd3x

6 жыл бұрын

It would have made more sense to launch transports one by one, waiting for one to get out of fire range, before launching the next. This way if there is spy with tracker on board, they will loose only 1 transport, instead all but one.

@Ismavolt

6 жыл бұрын

All you guys need to watch the movie again because it was pretty obvious the Raddus was trying to block incoming fire. Thing is... These shots arched.

@26th_Primarch

6 жыл бұрын

Prism Volt stop making excuses for clearly bad writing and lack of understanding of the original source materials

*WHY DIDN'T THE FIRST ORDER JUST HYPERSPACE JUMP A COUPLE SHIPS IN FRONT OF THE REBEL FLEET???*

@eurosn7322

6 жыл бұрын

AnyOtherNamePlease Steve Pelles First of all i hate TlJ one of the worst sy fy movies i ever watched. But there are no tactical jumps in SW,if some ressurgance class battlecruisers jump they would have likely end up in different system. There is a way to perform tactical jump called Thrawn pincer but first order had no interdictor class cruisers for that.

@robertwsaul

6 жыл бұрын

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. Every single movie has multiple ships jumping out, and then back in, in perfect formation, right above their destination. Furthermore, Han literally jumped the falcon into the atmosphere of a planet from lightyears away. There is no defense for this trainwreck of a movie. Even if there were no "tactical jumps" for whatever reason, they still have a dozen ships. Send a few ahead and wherever they end up, just turn around and head back.

@nilloc93

6 жыл бұрын

EUROSN7 what is thrawns pincer?

@GDIBass

6 жыл бұрын

Why didn't they just hyperspace a big rock into the death star in IV? Why didn't they just wait until the death star II was complete and out of the planetary shields and do the same thing in VI? The whole thing doesn't make sense and kind of ruins a lot of the SW universe for me.

@stargatecommand714

6 жыл бұрын

GDI Bass Because a simple rock wouldn't have done anything. TLJ novelization explained how the Raddus had experimental augmented shields, which also explains how it survived continual bombardment from the Supremacy. The novel makes it clear that Holdo didn't expect it to do as much damage as it did and that she intended for it to be more of a distraction than anything. Only with the augmented shields was the plasma, generated by the impact, able to be contained and channeled through the Supremacy. As a result, such a tactic would not have worked previously and neither would the Alliance be willing to sacrifice an entire capital ship with such a low chance of success

There's are reasons why so many people disliked the film- utterly ridiculous battle tactics that made zero sense is one of them.

@kudosbudo

6 жыл бұрын

SuicideNeil indeed. But it's not like they can pull expanse level shit, it's star wars, it always has to be mildly illogical and inept.

@DragNetJoe

6 жыл бұрын

Yep. I mean, Star Wars battle scenes never really made a lot of sense and were always shot more like the Battle of Midway, but that's OK. It was internally consistent and space tactics were never really important to the plot. TLJ made the tactical situation a primary plot driver, while simultaneously being incredibly lazy with the details of it's construction.

@RPD49

6 жыл бұрын

All Star Wars battle tactics has zero sense.... You want perfect space battle? Watch new Battlestar Galactica...

@DragNetJoe

6 жыл бұрын

Mr Scratch - BSG makes more sense than Star Wars, but I it is far from perfect. The problem is a "realistic" space battle would be rather boring to watch.

@kruk_7279

5 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dron/Bl_W0VLuoWoiVdjrSlZ8xQ.html This guy try to repair TLJ :)

The writers that composed this space battle have never watched or understand a sci-fi space battle let alone a starwars one.

@lukeirot

6 жыл бұрын

because star wars has logical space battles right.(said sarcastically)

@wrayday7149

6 жыл бұрын

Nah, they stuck way too hard to the WW2 logic ... which is why those god awful (super important heavy bombers) were there. They saw the B-17, but missed the part where they were flying at high altitude. They saw naval bombardments, but forgot the part about being in space and no gravity. Which is also why they forgot about CAP, as the video author pointed out... they know carriers carry planes to attack other ships, but they forgot they also have fighters for protection.

@JohnMarshallA1

6 жыл бұрын

They also missed the part where the B-17 was one of the fastest and most manoeuvrable bombers in the world when it was first built, able to compete with older light bombers in that area.

@gyneve

6 жыл бұрын

Wray Day don't forget the ship cannons that fired like space artillery.

@shadosnake

6 жыл бұрын

lukeirot reference episodes 4 (death star was ok but desperate), 5 (hoth escape is well planned), 6 good tactics. Then Clone Wars. Pay no mind to 1 and 3

The entire space battle sequence is best described by Shakespeare...... "A tale told by an idiot (RJ).....full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

@lucaswalker6919

4 жыл бұрын

The entire battle sequence is basically the entire movie

@flankspeed

4 жыл бұрын

That'll do.

@revimfadli4666

4 жыл бұрын

Do you mean a lot of the 9 films?

@ScaryMason

4 жыл бұрын

STAR WARS (in all ten and half films) has gross tactical errors. If Episode VIII had flawless battle tactics it wouldn’t fit in.

It isn't just the battle tactics. Almost nothing in that movie made any sense. The entire thing was just a poorly written, poorly constructed, disjointed, god awful mess, and most of it felt entirely unnecessary. Literally 95% of the film's content elicited a single reaction from me: "why is this even in here?"

@explosivemonkeys

3 жыл бұрын

As far as I'm concerned, the sequels are not canon.

@MrHamncheez

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like there was the remnant of something that started out as at least interesting, maybe even good. Rian was trying something new, trying to "subvert expectations", and then Kathleen Kennedy said "not enough feminism and class warfare in it" and ruined it.

@spockbetter

3 жыл бұрын

hello data you look to be havving a hella lot of fun laughing at the other franchise

@curlus

3 жыл бұрын

I agree 100%. Almost nothing in this movie makes any sense at all.

@datboi2232

3 жыл бұрын

like WHY does the ARTILLERY from the supremacy ARC??? IN FUCKING SPACE, with NO GRAVITY

2:42 I do believe they made that choice deliberately so we could have "Admiral" Hodlo instead of Ackbar being the main Admiral during the fight/scene

"A series of terrible tactical decisions" - Rian Johnson's autobiography.

@seekertwo1

6 жыл бұрын

BetterCallConnolly .....or RJ's parents.

@darthXreven

6 жыл бұрын

it's sad that the guy who made a few of the best episodes of Breaking Bad ended up making SW suck so much harder than Jar Jar Abrams did...and people think Jar Jar is gonna fix things?? keep dreaming people go watch Expanse, Orville, Kiljoys & Dark matter up to 3/4 the way into season 3 [when they get back the blink drive that's where you stop, unless you wanna be pissed that the show is dead] that's if you want good current sci-fi, don't follow SW or STD, let those burn cus the less money they make the sooner they box it all up or reboot or rethink their plans in some way....they need to jump SW into the future by at least 1000 years just to get to a place free of the constraints but even then I bet they'd still frakk it up lol Hollywood and TV are hell bent on f**king themselves and their IP yet their IP is what keeps the lights on, it's what brings in fans but if they ruin everything what then?? they're killing their own business with every remake, with every reboot and every bad sequel meh

@mrfister1234

6 жыл бұрын

Ok look I get that rian Johnson has alot of haters atm but his credentials speak for himself (minus the last jedi) The best 3 episodes of breaking bad. Much of the praise was directed to him and not Gilligan. You can write something but the product will end up shit if you have a shit director. Just watch the last season of game of thrones and the final 2 episodes of season 6 of got Cult classic brick The fucking funny brothers bloom The well loved and critically acclaimed Looper

@nerowulfee9210

6 жыл бұрын

Sorry, but Game of Thrones is shit, and HBO can go fuck themselves for shitting on a good books.

@mrfister1234

6 жыл бұрын

nero wulfee92 that's what I'm saying tho???? Reread my comment??? A good director salvaged the season 7 of got and the final episodes of season 6. If u really thing about it, the battle of the bastard shouldn't even have happened if Ramsey stayed inside his fucking fortress lmao. Stupid scripts that was saved by the director of this episodes The credit for those 3 breaking bad episode ESPECIALLY OZYMANDIAS was all directed to rian and not gilligan Plus the original comment I replied to says that rian Johnson's autobiography is failure but he hasn't said anything to me that refutes rians resume minus the last jedi. The man is an acclaimed director and writer before the last jedi and u can't take that away from the man

I will rewatch the whole film, but dubbed with the Benny Hill theme for better accuracy

@KindredGh0st

6 жыл бұрын

PERFECT.

@kossttamojaan

6 жыл бұрын

Indeed. Bravo!

@RJLbwb

6 жыл бұрын

I haven't seen the movie yet, but it does really sound like the director was trying to do some kind of comedy and failed.

@spaceonisorceress4406

5 жыл бұрын

RJLbwb - RedLetterMedia actually pointed out that TLJ is fundamentally structured like a comedy. They explained their thinking quite well, sadly -_-

@nicholasdickens2801

5 жыл бұрын

Xavier Ancarno You’ve hit the nail right on the head. We need this ☺️

Can we have a discussion about the "ballistic" laser cannon fire, in space, without gravity?

@curlus

3 жыл бұрын

Or why SPACE bombers have bombs that drop out from underneath them like a conventional aircraft?! I get that star wars isn't exactly 'hard sci-fi' when it comes to obeying the laws of physics, but those bombers don't even make sense from an in-universe standpoint!

@nunya3163

3 жыл бұрын

@@curlus Yeah, that was one of the dumber things in that movie. And that is saying something.

@MrNicoJac

3 жыл бұрын

Well, there's definitely gravity in space. That's what makes orbits work. Whether it would have any effect on lasers for the minimal flight time is of course another matter 😅

@nunya3163

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrNicoJac Well, gravity does bend lasers, but it causes them to knuckle, not go beautiful rainbow.

@massimocole9689

3 жыл бұрын

​@@nunya3163 Yeah, and you need quite a lot of gravity for it to bend enough to be noticeable to the human eye. Light is bent ever so slightly by the rather strong gravity just above the surface of the Sun but even during eclipses you need pretty sensitive telescopes to notice that. Its only when you get near something really crazy like the event horizons of black holes that light beams start bending enough to be seen with the naked eye. Of course those big bolts weren't normal lasers, since they travel way to slow, if I remember correctly those are supposed to be bolts of plasma or something. Regardless, that far from a planet or a star they wouldn't be arcing any noticeable amount over a couple of kilometers.

You expected that they're would be competent leadership and logical tactical decisions, but Your Expectations were Subverted!

3:44 That plan was made by a pilot because Miss Admiral Pink Hair decided that it was a good idea to NOT tell anybody her plan and make everybody think they are all going to die.

@thefirstprimariscatosicari6870

6 жыл бұрын

SmashStomp Inc Yes her. Why she was even an admiral is beyond my comprehension. She acts exactly like an aristocrate admiral who has no idea of what she is doing but has the right of blood to be there and have that rank... Oh God do not tell me the New Republic followed the same wrong steps as the old one and still has nobility.

@TheRacoonGhost

6 жыл бұрын

she is the admiral tho, she shouldn't have to explain her orders to a rightfully demoted pilot. (and also Poe should have been courtmartialed potentially even spaced for the muteny.

@alfredkugler3043

6 жыл бұрын

TheRacoonGhost any admiral should on the other hand notice his or her subordinates panicking and getting desperate. A simple "I have a plan, don't worry!" would have been enough. Of course a plan could have been to use the transport that the ship was carrying to fly get fuel. Or, maybe evacuate one of the companion ships before its fuel runs low and use THAT with a volunteer on board to ram the Supremacy.

@redplague76

6 жыл бұрын

Exactly, I get that she's an Admiral and all, but she couldn't see that this was a desperate situation and that someone like Poe wasn't just going to sit there and be like, "errr ok, whatever you say." He was reckless, but he was also a valuable asset. She couldn't have taken him aside and filled him in. Sure that's not normal military procedure , but come on! A good leader knows when to bring someone like Poe under their wing to make them work for them, not against.

@danilooliveira6580

6 жыл бұрын

its also a commanding officer responsibility to maintain morale, if saying that there is a plan instead of letting everyone think they are delaying certain death would help with morale (even if its a lie), then its something the officer should do.

" *It's an Elaborate Ruse!* " Indeed, my good sir! *Adjust monocle*

@MrDUneven

6 жыл бұрын

It appears to be a plot of intrigue.

@LucyWest370

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrDUneven we have been deceived, it appears to be a situation where people lie in wait to make a surprise attack!

A single Interdictor Cruiser or just the gravity well generators installed on the Dreadnought would have left Holdo with egg on her face when she tried the hyper ram.

@casbot71

6 жыл бұрын

Phobos It would have left them trapped at their base, completely screwed. If they had scattered at the start, hyperspace tracking wouldn't have helped get more than one ship. Why use something that can tell you where they ran, when there is something else that can stop them running?

@darthnox72

6 жыл бұрын

Phobos I think they didn't take an interdictor because of tracking and when they jumped they would be caught without fuel

@lucasurquiza554

6 жыл бұрын

Phobos the interdictor only works because of a failsafe in the ships that doesn’t allow the pilot to jump to hiperspace if they are near a planet. Since has been like 30 years It is possible that warships now have a way to disable it if a gravity well generator is present, also the falcon didn’t automatically get pulled out of hiperspace when they approached starkiller so his was also disabled.

@piriossoirip3376

6 жыл бұрын

Let's be real they didn't have interdictor because the writers coudnt't be bothered to read the lore ...

@unclestone8406

5 жыл бұрын

I remember the dread in X-Wing when a perfect hit got pulled, then the Empire jumps in an Interdictor, and the whole tone of the fight shifts. Playing as Marek Stele in TiE Fighter, Interdictors were like old friends holding the bar door shut while you whip some Rebel scum into submission. Johnson... he disregarded every bit of that. Fucking idiot, that cueball.

My reading was that Holdo didn't initially intend to sacrifice herself; she was just leading the First Order away from the transports, (which they didn't know about until DJ told them). She still had a few hours of fuel left, and could have strung the FO ships along for a while yet, before finally turning and initiating a kamikaze attack, at which point the FO would conclude that all of the Resistance had been aboard that ship, and not bother to go down to Crait and look for the ones that they didn't know had got away. I don't think this is a particularly obscure way of reading the scene, either; when Holdo notices the FO shooting down the transports, you can see her panicking, and then steeling herself to make the ultimate sacrifice to save her comrades. I do think some of Daniel's criticisms in this video are justified, and TLJ certainly isn't my favourite Star Wars movie, but that one felt a little unfair to me.

The biggest problem with the battle of D'Qar was the PATHETIC firepower of the "siege cannons" on the dreadnaught. The damn thing was specifically designed for planetary bombardment and those cannons hit with the destructive equivalent of a 2000lb bomb.

@dminard1

6 жыл бұрын

Star wars movies are known for inconsistent damage. For instance AT AT walkers in rogue one have main cannons that sometimes look like they could vaporize a house and sometimes look like small morter damage. Shields are also whatever we need at the moment.

@chrissonofpear3657

6 жыл бұрын

It was - okay. Better than the bombardment in Rebels, at least. But put to shame by many Legends books.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: Replace Holdo with Ackbar. Make that one change, and do some rewrites so that the dialogue fits with the character now being Ackbar, and you fix *so* much of what was wrong with this movie. It would have made it much more palatable by the older audience that knows Ackbar (as their assumption would be that he has a plan, since he's freaking Ackbar) and it would have given him a send off much more fitting for a fan favorite, rather than being exploded off screen because 'plot'.

@rlee1185

6 жыл бұрын

AlindBack yeah but then the leader wouldn't be a female. I'm not even saying that ironically. They probably said no to your very idea during writing sessions.

@montanarandall3126

5 жыл бұрын

but meh feminism

@thewick-j1837

5 жыл бұрын

Also the suicide charge was decided upon fairly early, and there might have been some backlash by combining a suicide explosion with Akbar.

@eth3549

5 жыл бұрын

So the manoeuvre is remembered as the "à la Ackbar" manoeuvre? I wonder why they didn't...

@merendell

5 жыл бұрын

There's a reason a number of people call holdo admiral gender studies. Felt like her whole reason for existing was to talk down to the stupid cowboys and then save the day with a heroic sacrifice when the men's plan failed because of course it would. I wonder if the writing team graduated from evergreen collage, it would explain alot.

I understand Holdo's tactics to be "hold course and be a decoy to protect the escape craft," and it worked for a while, but put her to far out of position to intercept any turbo laser fire when the First Order detected the escape craft, 30 seconds of watching in horror as the escape craft are picked off, the deciding on the ramming maneuver to fix it.

The First Order's Problem: Operational Incompetence, Their Commanders are easy to fool, Their ships are strategically worthless, Kylo Ren. The Resistance's Problem: Useless Undisciplined Personnel, They don't have a clue what they're doing, Sexism, Admiral Holdo.

Heavy negativity? Jesus man. Is called constructive criticism. I really wish people would remember that giving and taking criticism is a fundamental part of making things better.

@erichampton6492

6 жыл бұрын

Fair enough. Loads of critics seem to be far from construtive, though. Downright toxic, really. Glad to see a video with a little substance to it rather than the normal suspects screeching about "political correctness."

@gmmay70

5 жыл бұрын

Eric Hampton I haven't yet seen a well-known video that didn't have plenty of substantive criticism in it. The PC critique is usually just thrown in because the production team made a point of highlighting that facet, as if that was going to make up for the many many shortcomings of TLJ.

@MrBLARG85

5 жыл бұрын

Yes! Although it was negative, it wasn't just swearing saying how much he hated it. He brought up potential fixes for "silly mistake" issues.

@JayKayDanks

5 жыл бұрын

This might be the most negative Spacedock video I've seen yet and TLJ is pretty contentious territory. A lot of "criticism" these days winds up just bashing and nitpicking with little constructive elements whatsoever - especially in films that are perceived as being "too political" - so I really understand and appreciate the caution. I loved the movie and I liked this video so I think Daniel pulled off a pretty good balancing act here.

@ExcaliburHeavyBattlecruiser

5 жыл бұрын

@@erichampton6492 I agree. There a point where criticisms only make things worse. Star wars fans clearly went beyond that and have gone to the extent of ruining the experience of everyone else. It made Lucasfilms employees lash out in retaliation which only made things worse. They all forgot about an exceptionally important thing in life, forgiveness. The fans should be able to let people enjoy stuff. They only further alienate themselves if they lash out at the other star wars fans. They should be taught some moral lessons. And this also applies to Disney. It's time to cease fire. It's time for diplomacy.

*THERE ARE NO SO-CALLED "TACTICS" IN THE LAST JEDI* One of the many reasons why that movie is a blight to the Star Wars legacy.

@vlweb3d

4 жыл бұрын

@@DerpaTure9503 With a Profile Name like that for your very obvious troll account, anything that you say is automatically deemed as irrelevant. You'll be fucking off now, troll. BEGONE !!!

@mememan2.074

3 жыл бұрын

@@DerpaTure9503 ah yes he have 24 alt account

@bloodstormwolf9512

3 жыл бұрын

I just watched a cat deport someone out of existence

@Bill.Papadakis

3 жыл бұрын

And the sheer amount of force fed sjw shit

@gregdunn401

3 жыл бұрын

yes there was some tactics they were to kill off all of the old cast of characters so they didnt detract from the more useless modern sjw ones like the mary sue rey or kylogay or even admiral purple hair

This movie was so disrespectful to Admiral Ackbar. So very much perfered his Legends version.

There is nothing that could save this scene. Mad props to you for trying.

IT needs to be understood that the people who wrote Star Wars, and directed it, have very little interest or understanding in how to engage in a military style conflict, real, fantasy, or Sci-fi. I am often completely flummoxed when key characters are supposed to be super competent, or at least "not stupid", and yet they prevail because their adversaries are wildly, borderline insanely, more stupid. This new Star Wars Trilogy has been a near unending cavalcade of stupidity that kills any and all credibility for anything any character does or has done to them.

@MrDUneven

6 жыл бұрын

Kind of weird that they have no understanging of military matters considering that there is "war" in the title of the series.

The new canon shamed Gial Ackbar. He was a genius in legends, even Thrawn feared him. Let's rebel! Kill them all!

@darykeng

6 жыл бұрын

And we all forget that Raddus have stupidly BIG shield to protect other ships of the fleet and this allow FO TIEs fly right under the shields and do the do. So order turn shilds to back makes sense

@lpeeff

6 жыл бұрын

Attila Menyhért errrrhhh... I wouldn't say thrawn feared him, Thrawn was definitely wary of his skills, otherwise he wouldn't use the bothans to take him out of command...

@quoniam426

5 жыл бұрын

@@lpeeff The more accurate would be that Thrawn respected Ackbar, that's already a huge thing coming from Thrawn on a military point of view.

@C-rations2394

4 жыл бұрын

Ackbar was male, and the males in this movie need to be idiots or jerks. Only the women have to be brave, smart, and self-sacrificing. Finn is a coward. Poe is a rash fool. Luke is a bitter old man. Every male in the First Order are incompetent clowns. Chewie eats cute furry whatevers. And Ackbar died in a totally unheroic way. F### off, Kennedy.

@Lonewolf-dy5yb

3 жыл бұрын

@@lpeeff Thrawn didn't specifically use Fey'lya to take him out of command, Fey'lya did it himself, and Thrawn used this to his advantage.

Wait, you found POSITIVES? Dude, you are a legend O_O

@RayMKlll

5 жыл бұрын

Anyone who speaks good about something the majority of us loath to bits is basically an unsung hero.

@frealms

4 жыл бұрын

@@DerpaTure9503 If you liked it, more power to you. Doesn't change the fact it was a shitty movie.

@DooTSweeT

3 жыл бұрын

frealms dont mind ryan hussain, he is all over this comment section getting mad at everyone who disagrees with him

"I expected to see this in a briefing scene or something." Well in order to see that, you'd need a leader who believed in briefings as a way to keep her personnel informed. *cough cough.

Why didn't the First Order simply jump half of their ships in front of the fleeing Resistance ships?

@TheVeritas1

6 жыл бұрын

That would be a clever move.

@gpaje

6 жыл бұрын

Because the movie would end too soon. If the New Order had a single squadron of fighters protecting their Dreadnought in the beginning of the film, the movie would have ended in about 7 minutes.

@grayscribe1342

6 жыл бұрын

General Hux: "Forget the Dreadnought. We finish this now. All ships, launch fighters and advance into fireing position. TIE Fighters, take care of their fighter screen. TIE Bombers, target the evacuation shuttles, their smaller capital ships and their ground base. All Star Destroyers, fire at will, starting with your closest Resistance capital ship. Captain? We will take care of the largest ship personally. The following scene will go somwehat like this: kzread.info/dash/bejne/goKTpbJtg9jVhLg.html End of movie.

@ericmorang3903

6 жыл бұрын

Because that wouldve made sense.

@casper-dakotanurse-baker7052

6 жыл бұрын

If the guarding destroyers left their positions, the resistance could have used their orbital bombardment ship to destroy critical parts of the supremacy

With reference to the shields, the fighters under Kylo Ren were able to destroy the hanger when the shields were on full so maybe it wouldn't have helped though you would expect the bridge to have stronger shields. This also proves the necessity for multiple hangers in case one is destroyed and it increases the number of fighters that can launch at the same time.

@squasher0487

6 жыл бұрын

Psoma_Brufd, just wanted to point out that there are two hangers on the Raddus, but one has fighters and the other has transports.

@psoma_brufd

6 жыл бұрын

Squasher 04 that doesn't actually change my point, they still had all fighters in one hanger which isn't great.

@Schnittertm1

6 жыл бұрын

Actually, on a capital class space ship, in space, where the distances to fire are so long that computers are usually doing the targetting, I question the need to have a bridge with windows on top of the ship, instead of deep inside the ship behind armored bulkheads. The new Galactica didn't suffer from cinematographically exposed and aesthetically pleasing bridge on top of the ship, it used the concept of having the bridge deep inside the ship, protected by several layers of armor.

@psoma_brufd

6 жыл бұрын

Schnittertm1 In Star Wars, computers rarely do the targeting or firing. Your second point whilst valid does not suit the Star Wars design aesthetic.

@lordmalachi6

6 жыл бұрын

On very rare occasions this was actually done in legends. The YT-1300 owners manual even states it had a from the factory option to embed the cockpit deep inside and use scanners and cameras to project the exterior view onto holograms for increased defense. The engines and central mandible area were also heavily armored. This of course took up cargo space but if you frequented very dangerous territory, perhaps it was worth it. On the flip side, Legends also has a few notable stories of ships with too much automation going rogue or being hacked early on in the timeline, and forever making designers lean towards manual and visual operation when possible. A bridge with no windows "theoretically" could be hacked to see nothing at all. But, that's a terrible argument imo.

Rian Johnson has no business directing a combat situation of any kind

@blindinghornet9079

3 жыл бұрын

Ryan Hussain no he doesn’t

@plasticballs

3 жыл бұрын

@@DerpaTure9503 no

I also love the fact that shields seem to only work for the good guys, whereas on Imperial/First Order ships interceptors can randomly blow up structures (canons, communications, bridges) at their pleasure.

Just by having the title of Admiral, does not mean you have earned the rank of Admiral.

@Trikeboy2

6 жыл бұрын

And if you watch the movie, she wasn't supposed to be in that position. It was thrust upon her because there was no one else.

@BlueRaven893

5 жыл бұрын

@@Trikeboy2 A depressingly, absolutely cerebral, viscerally terrible "no choice" situation.

@wendellsawyer4386

4 жыл бұрын

Especially in Star Wars

I thought their tactics of ruining Star Wars were super effective...

When I first saw TLJ, I remember thinking, even then, that setting the whole movie within the context of a big capital ship chase sequence was an odd decision.

The best part of The Last Jedi, it ended.

@DooTSweeT

4 жыл бұрын

I do agree, the only scene i liked was the black screen after the end credits finish

@lanefunai4714

3 жыл бұрын

The best part for me was playing Mass Effect and never watching it.

The new trilogy tactical decisions make Boreale look like a tactical gen... why is an Imperator Titan inside my sword cover?!? CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!!!

@Asrock73

6 жыл бұрын

The First Primaris Cato Sicarius I think Monty python and the holly grail had better tactics the TLJ

@FinALIEN93

6 жыл бұрын

Seems like the FO's Tactical handbook was written by a Valhallan general. "Enemy has tank battalion coming right at us. FIX BAYONETS!"

@NurseGundam

6 жыл бұрын

Aros roll those sixes boys

3:30 For real what if it, or another ship simply set anti-planet bombs and after the First Order pursues them and jumps in, they run right into those set and waiting bombs? Thats a rebel tactic, re-purposing weapons. But nOOOooo, lets go to Planet Vegas for 45min.

@thestrikewyvern2245

6 жыл бұрын

the Resistance didn't know the First Oder would follow them and arrive quickly and also the First Order can literally jump out anywhere and they jumped on the left side of the Resistance Fleet

@alexander0125

6 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the bombs be strapped on autopilot fighters, torpedoes or something. i'm sure one or two anti-planets bombs would do the trick. The large rebel ship is they're target and they had hours to figure some kind of defense once they saw they could be tailed thru hyperspace. Kinda like aircraft carrier coverage in WW2 but suicide anti-planet bomb ships or turtle shells from Mario Kart if you want to be a smartass! I like that analogy! The rebels had SOME idea where the Mega Class would be AFTER they jumped and alot of shots to take at it prior to. Shots that cane literally move tectonic plates around. Thats very good, grave information to have when you're playing peekaboo with a metal island shipfactory flying Autozone following you. Is this a more detailed answer? Traps. If you've got the Megaclass following you and it doesn't actually know what there with you.. traps are the best weapons I can think of. Thats playing defense, a very favorable defense I think

@2020Max1

6 жыл бұрын

Silly Alexander, if they did that then they wouldn't have been able to ram rod their "all rich people are greedy, corrupt and evil" agenda down our throats.

The mistake here, is that you assumed they put thought into this film

I think you did a bang up job for not scripting this vid mate, wouldn't have really known otherwise if you hadn't said as much. Really concise and clear thinking throughout, you pointed out what honestly may be my biggest problems with the film; Raddus' bridge being destroyed, the ridiculous side-mission, and Holdo doing Nothing to protect the fleeing shuttles.

Daniel, this format is waaay cooler than scripted shorts. It's funnier and mor interesting to listen to!

"Some wierd tactical decisions"? You mean pretty much all of them? Edit: they wouldn't even need to have evenly distributed shields to defend against the fighters, they could just have had like 1% shield strength and redirect the rest to the aft. Also, why are the shields projected ridiculously far from the Raddus? That's got to be wasting a lot of power.

@robertmartinu8803

6 жыл бұрын

No, not neccessary. Some are wierd. Others outright treason.

@jonashemmingsson7301

6 жыл бұрын

Robert Martinu Point taken

@alfredkugler3043

6 жыл бұрын

I don't know, the decision to destroy the dreadnaught was IMO the right one. The only one I can remember. Also the one where the commanding crew is complaining about.

@alfredkugler3043

6 жыл бұрын

SmashStomp Inc sure, the command could at any time have ordered the rest of the attack back. And then blaming Poe for the losses was... slightly irrational. But what I meant was that Poe's decision to go after the dreadnaught was tactically and strategically sound. And that it was the ONLY good tactical and strategical decision in the whole movie. And ironically it was a decision used by the writers to exemplify how much a loose cannon Poe is. And please, don't insult them. I mean, hacks have feelings too.

@sharko4093

6 жыл бұрын

I have a personal theory to explain the shields both being rather powerful at defending and also being projected away from the ship. We've only seen that ONCE before in Star Wars as far as I know, and it was in The Freemaker adventures but please keep reading! I know The Freemaker adventures aren't exactly the most popular thing in Star Wars being a Lego show but it gives evidence to the Raddus' shields and also explains how it was capable of the hyperspace ram. In the series, they built the Arrowhead, a starfighter with a bubble shield powered by a Kyber Crystal which made the ship literally immune to any amount of Turbolaser fire from a Destroyer which made it a fleet killer. The thing had a blade which allowed it to fly right through the actual hull of an ISD and simply slice it in half, sound familiar? Now, my theory is since the Arrowhead had Kyber Crystal powered shields which both made it completely impervious to Turbolasers as well as give it the ability to destroy fleets of ships by simply flying right through them, I reckon the Raddus also had this Kyber Crystal shielding tech which explains the backstory to it's "experimental shields" as well as explains why it could take so much fire from those enormous cannons and even explained why the huge blue wave of plasma was sent out in the ram. It was because when the ships collided, the Kyber Crystal powering the shields ruptured and exploded with the force a few nukes as we know Kyber Crystals do depending on their size. Tell me what you think of my theory.

"Just park between the shuttles and the bullets." That had me in stitches. I liked this video format as an occasional break from the usually serious tone of your regular videos, as much as I love all your other work.

Another thing that should have been tried is just turning around. So far hyperspace travel requires moving in that direction, and the rebellion ships are capable of turning around much faster then the first order. So, they should have dropped down, turned around, and warped out underneath the first order ships. That would give them time to escape while the orders much larger and slower ships turn to follow.

It is very clear that the Writers of The Last Jedi were incompetent. There is no point in trying to make sense of madness.

Your negativity provides me with positivity 👍

This was a very well done vid. I really enjoy the editing and sarcastic comedy.

Forget tactics -- the whole command structure in itself was a cluster-f. I thought _for sure_ that Holdo was going to betray the entire fleet and, I dunno, have them all tractored into the mega-behemoth what-its-ship. At least that would explain her uncommander like behavior. What type of leader doesn't share the current state of strategy with her best and brightest in order to find a way out of a lost cause? A traitorous one at best, a dumb-ass one at worst. Turns out she was the latter. For all the flaws of TLJ, the character of Holdo was egregious.

@imperialguardsman135

5 жыл бұрын

In the darkness a blind man is the best guide. In an age of Madness look to the madman to show the way. ~Imperial Thought of the Day

@PyroManZII

4 жыл бұрын

But the movie does show she discussed her plan; only with other officers on board though which is quite normal for any military command. The movie does show us she didn't discuss the plans with Poe, but he had just recklessly endangered the entire fleet about five minutes before to chase some glory and had been demoted by Leia moments before too.

@zarlei6048

4 жыл бұрын

@@PyroManZII What do you mean chase some glory? The guy just took down the real world equivalent of a carrier task force with ten little ships. Does the Resistance expect to defeat the First Order without losing anything and running away for the whole time?

@PyroManZII

4 жыл бұрын

@@zarlei6048 It is chasing glory in this case as the Resistance fleet that was there was in no position to engage with the equivalent of a Carrier Task Force. There have to be moments where you acknowledge that the best course of action is to to retreat for the time being and hopefully reunite with the bulk of your fleet, in which case you can launch a counter offensive. Poe risked the whole fleet for one ship out of thousands.

@Prich319

4 жыл бұрын

@@PyroManZII No, it's not "chasing glory" as you put it because while Poe shut off his comm, the bomber crews didn't. They would have known that Leia had given the order to withdraw, and that Poe was ignoring a direct order. Despite this, they elected to follow Poe regardless. Also, sacrificing a couple shitty bombers and their crews to take out a "fleet killer" dreadnought crewed by thousands of FO personnel is easily the best trade you can make in terms of attrition and denying a high value military asset to an enemy. The lives of those crews were spent, not wasted.

Daniel: I like the unscripted stuff, honestly. You have an interesting mindset and it’s rather engaging listening to you talk without a script. As for TLJ...urgh. Whatever you may think about the story, the military aspects are utterly abysmal from start to finish. The original trilogy did an excellent job in this regard, so there is absolutely no excuse. The hilariously slow bombers, the lack of a CSP, the chosen Imperial fleet formation, the tactics utilised during the space chase, Holdo’s behaviour, the ‘plan’ to infiltrate the Supremacy, the ship designs in general... I could go on and on. It’s terrible writing, and it ruins the immersion, harming the good aspects of the film.

@dantheultimate2497

6 жыл бұрын

Well the Empire too was utterly incompetent in the OT like someone in the comment section pointed out. I think the writing team tried too hard to make a movie about faliure, they wanted to make it obvious to all viewers that the main characters were making big mistakes and that the resistance is struggling. If you think about it, it makes sense that they made the film how it is, they tried to make the movie appealing for the mainstream audience (like Marvel), they only didn't realise that a big chunk of the SW fanbase is very different from the Marvel fanbase. Most of the hardcore fans of SW are probably between their 30-40, so they have very high expectations for their childhood franchise and want something that makes a lot of sense. But infact in the prequels we saw a lot of illogical land- or Spacebattles. Hell, the Empire made some mindless decisions in the movies, like not escorting their ISDs with fighters on Hoth or only dispatching a few fighters against the Rebels on the first Deathstar.

@Cailus3542

6 жыл бұрын

DänTheUltimate It’s a fair point, but in the OT, it generally made sense when there were military blunders. Not enough TIE fighters at Yavin? Tarkin thought the X-Wings were a futile gesture with no chance of harming the Death Star. The fleet left hyperspace at Hoth too early? Outright incompetence, as was pointed out by Vader. The Imperial tactics at Endor? They underestimated the Rebel’s ability to fight a full scale fleet engagement, and they underestimated the Rebel starfighters. The stormtroopers’ incompetence on the Endor moon? They had no way of foreseeing an alliance between the Rebels and the Ewoks, or the unconventional warfare that would be utilised. In TLJ, the various military blunders just don’t make sense within the context. The writers didn’t do their due dilligence on the “war” part of Star Wars, while the OT writers (including Lucas) did. Hell, as crap as the prequels are, even they typically had some semblance of competence.

@darwinxavier3516

6 жыл бұрын

The rebel transports that do utterly nothing and are pretty big can move faster than those shitty bombers.

I quite like this unscripted format and the video was great. Keep up the great work lads.

Thank you!!!!!!! This film drove me crazy with the tactics! Especially the scene with the shuttles fleeing and the starting scene totally absent of tie fighters.

i enjoy this format! thanks for ratfiying some feelings ive had for a long time

My thoughts exactly, it was an "ok" movie but well, it had so many plot holes....

@darkwolf4434

6 жыл бұрын

seamus6387 Agreed

I hated the hyperspace ram. Just broke star wars physics and lore

@TruePacifist201

6 жыл бұрын

Physics? What physics? Still, you do have a point.

@Trikeboy2

6 жыл бұрын

how does it brake lore? Someone came up with a new tactic? It happens all the time. For example, when fighting the Borg, Riker comes up with a battle plan and Geordie calls it the Riker manoeuvre.

@jamesjung8931

6 жыл бұрын

Emiel Booth lol. I know star wars doesn't follow real life physics but at least they follow their own laws until tlj

@jamesjung8931

6 жыл бұрын

RM_Prime It broke lore because physically the hyperspace ram is impossible in the star wars universe. And even if it is, why didn't they use this maneuver before? Why not just ram the ds1? Why not put a hyperdrive on cheap droid starfighter, then the cis could won the war.

@Trikeboy2

6 жыл бұрын

James Jung it was a tactic born from desperation and mutiny. It never occured to Holdo until she saw the hyperspace coordinates Poe entered were now behind the First Order ships. As for the first Death Star a fighter would not have generated the same amount of force a capitol ship would have had it done that manoeuvre. They may have damaged a few sections but not enough to destroy it. And for the 2nd Death Star but Legends and Canon show that the Imperial fleet had Interdictor cruisers at Endor. The rebels couldn't go to Hyperspace even if they wanted to. Also, the would have to use capital ships in order to get the right amount of energy. The shield was also up for most of the battle. It should be noted that during the Battle for Endor, Green Leader does pull off a similar manoeuvre to take down the Executor. The Rebels and Resistance also didnt have the luxury of building their own ships. They were either stolen or donated. They dont have the resources to throw ships at people. As for the CIS, they were never shown to be the brightest bunch of people.

Hey, Daniel! I hardly ever comment on KZread, but I wanted to say I loved your unscripted tone. You sounded more at ease and natural than you sometimes do in the more scripted videos! Definitely keep giving this a go. Love the channel.

“A few simple changes could have saved [it]" That about sums up every scene in the whole movie.

Me, watching 'canon' Akbar botch his job and die: "Look how they massacred my boy."

Can you please make a video about "Space Battleship Yamato" from the series of the same name please.

@ThieflyChap

5 жыл бұрын

Thirding.

Thank you! I was wondering the same thing about Admiral Holdo not positioning herself between the transports and incoming fire.

Thank you Danial! Even when you are being critical of something, you still try your best to remain positive. I don't think this "non" scripted episode was overtly negative. It is always appreciated to have both sides of an argument. Keep up the great work.

I can not agree with you more. Not only was SW8 just a bad movie, but the tactical decision making seemed like it was being done by children. At this point I feel like Filoni and Hidalgo will be the Big Damn Heroes who will save this franchise.

One of my biggest problems why was destroying one fighter bay the blow that kept the resistance from fighting the raddes is a huge ship and has several launch bays so surely they would’ve had more fighters

@Trikeboy2

6 жыл бұрын

no, because Poe destroyed all the other fighters while disobeying orders

@skyslasher2297

6 жыл бұрын

RM_Prime that doesn’t make any sense aside from the bombers the resistance didn’t lose a lot of fighters

@Trikeboy2

6 жыл бұрын

19 ships went out, 8 came back.

@BlueRaven893

5 жыл бұрын

@@Trikeboy2 The ones we see on screen, yes. If Rian was more clear concerning this, there wouldn't be a problem.

@Trikeboy2

5 жыл бұрын

@@BlueRaven893 Shortly after the battle, there is a shot of Leia looking at a squad screen on her console. The surviving ships are green, the destroyed ships are red. How much clearer do they have to be?

4:45 as I recall from my first and only viewing of the film. The strategy of Holdo staying on the ship to pilot it was so the shuttles could sneak off. The script incompetent logic was that in JarJar's and Ruin's Star Wars you drive past a planet every few minutes so when the first order finally caught the ship it would be "surprise its empty!" and they'd have no idea where everyone went. The audience's subconscious knows that's a stupid plan- one doesn't drive past many planets on a slow spaceship chase - and it would be obvious it was the one planet they went past.

Love the candid videos, keep it up

Someone should give Ackbar an actual burial. Although I quite liked the Last Jedi, killing him off screen? Come on! He's the original Star Wars meme and one of the best parts of Return of the Jedi. It just rubbed me the wrong way.

@pudlordtynan919

6 жыл бұрын

I also want to prefix this comment that I did on the whole enjoy the movie, it had flaws but I still had fun. Which should be the goal of any Star Wars movie.

@jrosa__

6 жыл бұрын

You liked TLJ?

@pudlordtynan919

6 жыл бұрын

Yes I did. The Last Jedi wasn't the best by far. And yes Canto Bite was awful, the First Order's plan was awful. But I still found cool shit to enjoy. Thank you for understanding.

@lukeirot

6 жыл бұрын

he isn't that important, he was only popular because of a meme.

@danilooliveira6580

6 жыл бұрын

lukeirot while he doesn't really get a lot of screen time in the old movies compared to the protagonists, he is still very loved in the expanded universe.

DEAR RAIN WILSON ... I mean, Rian Johnson ... please re-watch Star Wars (1977) - _INT - Millenium Falcon (in hyperspace)_ Princess Leia: They let us go. It was the only reason for the ease of our escape. Han Solo: Easy? You call that easy? Princess Leia: *They're tracking us.* Han Solo: Not this ship, sister.

@Jarvis466

6 жыл бұрын

Universal Exports The scene right before the one you mentioned: Tarkin Are they away? Vader They have just made the jump into hyperspace. Tarkin You're sure the *homing beacon* is secure aboard their ship? I'm taking an awful risk, Vader. This had better work.

@MGuyGadbois

6 жыл бұрын

Fuckin' A!

@pendraco2000

6 жыл бұрын

zing!

“Yeah... it just don’t make any sense Jim.” “Most illogical Captain.”

I know it's a bit late, but I like this format as you give your honest opinion about things!

Someone explain to me why Holdo's ship was slowing down. . in space. And why did Rian Johnson break hyperspace? Ships don't accelerate into hyperspace they jump into it. If they accelerated like her ship then why wouldn't you just have a bunch of drone fighters/missles that would hyperspace through enemy ships?

One thing that bothered me about this movie was how small the resistance was, and the fact that the Republic has no ships whatsoever. Starkiller base Shirley could not have destroyed all the republic ships. Look at the first order they only had a fraction of the resources and Manpower of the Republic but they were able to build a comically large Fleet. So was that it but the Republic only have like five ships?

@thestrikewyvern2245

6 жыл бұрын

alright look the New Republic has multiple fleets but when Starkiller fired and destroyed the New Republic Government it also took the Main fleet and others but there were still few left but the First Oder had began there full invasion on the Galaxy as they had thousands of ships ready for the invasion \, as for the Resistance the only weaponry that they can use were just old New Republic tech such as the MC85, the T-70,etc they couldn't use newer tech such as the T-85's which the New Republic had so they can only use old tech

@hafor2846

6 жыл бұрын

That's bullshit. I want Star Wars, not Star Unimportant Skirmish. They made the First Order conquer the galaxy in days, not because it logical, but because it fits the plot of rehashing the old movies. Instead of a intricate war/political movie we got the same old small rebellion vs. big evil empire. Except the evil empire has no industrial base, no reason to exist, almost no backstory etc.

@thestrikewyvern2245

6 жыл бұрын

Vys Erion you do know all of the lore of the First Order has been told in books and the Imperial Remnant left into the Unknown regions and years had past since there total defeat in Jakku they had time to rebuild and change towards becoming the First Order

@hafor2846

6 жыл бұрын

Dragonfly gaming And who cares about the books? I'm sorry but Star Wars is a movie franchise. I don't care if Disney offers dozens of other media products to leech money off of their fans. If one can't watch the movies without them, then the movies suck. It's not even once shown in the movies that the Republic lost its fleet in that attack. "The First Order rules." That's it. That's like leaving Ep3 out and following Attack of the Clones with A New Hope. And even so, it doesn't make sense. The Republic controlls the whole galaxy but a few remnants of the Empire can build a fleet large enough to take them on and conquer them in days? Like the Japanese conquered the US after Pearl Harbour, right? You can just see that the whole plot is bent and twisted to fit the "Small rebellion vs evil empire" trope. I'm not against that per se (even though I don't think it is necessary to be Star Wars) but instead of looking at the situation and asking "What will happen next?" they went with "We want that outcome. How can we reach that point?" Also, it detracts from the original movies. Where did they end? The Force is in balance, the prophecy fullfilled, the Emperor killed, the Empire defeated, Anakin redeemed. The Expanded Universe continued that realistically. Not everything is magically ok, there are still fights to be won and problems to be solved. But at least we are progressing. After TLJ, we are back to one Jedi, one small rebellion, one evil empire. Why did everyone even bother? It feels like a waste of time. After Rogue One, I had so much hope for TLJ. And it mostly disappoints...

@thestrikewyvern2245

6 жыл бұрын

Vys Erion but the whole thing with EU started from books not from movies and to whole idea of the EU is something I don't want to go through, yeah it's extensive but it's has ?it's of things to keep in mind that I completely gave up on learning the EU galaxy

Format was fine, short unscripted better than long unscripted. Less opportunity to meander. Keep up the great work!

Your channel is always very well thought out in it's format so seeing something a little more off the cuff is certainly interesting but not unwelcome.

@spacedock her plan was for the shuttles to pass unnoticed to the planet, and she would pilot the carrier so that the empire would chase her. But after the hacker that was with finn and rose told the first order about the shuttles, her plan was ruined because the shuttles weren't supposed to be discovered. I agree it took her a long time to figure out something to do, but her original plan wasnt to ram the supremacy.

@datfloppynoodle3677

6 жыл бұрын

ZDProletariat they weren't cloaked at all, the whole idea was that the first order would be so focused on destroying the capital ships, that they wouldn't be scanning for smaller ships and fighters, especially after kylo blew up their hangar bays. But then the hacker dude with rose and Finn told them to scan for smaller ships and the first order discovered them when they did.

@datfloppynoodle3677

6 жыл бұрын

ZDProletariat oh, well then, that's just fuckin stupid.

@mitchellhorton9382

6 жыл бұрын

It's both. They talk about cloaking (On the FO ship) while on the shuttles they LITERALLY SAY "They won't be looking for small ships"

@datfloppynoodle3677

6 жыл бұрын

Mitchell Horton one of the many reasons I hate this movie

@mitchellhorton9382

6 жыл бұрын

lmao then you care way too much. SW is full of plot holes and convenient bullshit. Always has been. Settle down.

The LAZY WRITING is strong in this one...

Great points as always. I hadn't even noticed that they had realigned the shields before the Tie fighters bombed the bridge. Great idea of having her eclipse the transports. I always wondered why she didn't just jump to hyperspace immediately to get the fleet to follow her. Then when they destroyed the Raddus they would believe that the rebellion was over. Then the transports could safely make it to the old base.

I think it's clear what she was thinking: "someone has to stay aboard and pilot the cruiser". Then when the escape pods are blasted: "That's it! Time to get drastic!!" hyperspace SLAMMMMMPOWWWWW!!!!!

We all know they had to remove admiral ackbar, cause if he stayed and was the person who rammed the mega ship he would of screemed *ADMIRAL ACKBAR*

@jetfowl

6 жыл бұрын

Ackbar could've opened comms with the dreadnought to buy time and when he was ready to hyperjump the ship into the dreadnought... shout, "Guess what, you Imperial lackey? IT'S A TRAP!!!" Then *BOOM*. That would've been a fitting end. (Fans and internet geeks would've exploded in sheer joy)

@nikkity5491

6 жыл бұрын

jetfowl kinda wish they put jarjar in tbe suiside ship scene would of made his character better

@sword4005

6 жыл бұрын

(go watch how it should have ended, they did just that)nah if ackbar been in charge the resistance would have used actual battle tactics and wouldn't have got slaughtered

@nikkity5491

6 жыл бұрын

Dark Kronis yea i know

you say you dont like negativity but bad ideas need to be called out, if you really dont like it make a video on everything done right and to reasons why and everything done wrong and the reasons why.

@darwinxavier3516

6 жыл бұрын

That and pointing out what's good will shut up the stupid apologists who give the tired "well I'd like to see you do any better" non argument. Oh who am I kidding, those apologists will never stop being stupid.

@fulconer

6 жыл бұрын

He is avoiding the negativity because he actually likes the film. All the fanboys of TLJ are admitting it is not perfect and has problmes .... but .... they liked and enjoyed it. lol.l

@firestorm165

6 жыл бұрын

To be fair the first order did have a first class NCO (who I am convinced is Chief O'Brian from Star Trek)

Hey, an in depth analysis of that first battle sounds neat

Completely agree with everything you said, and enjoyed the more free-flowing format.

Rian Johnson was a poor choice. His story was incoherent and disjointed.

It was an ok movie but the plot was based around a hilariously flawed tactic

@OmegaZyion

6 жыл бұрын

Not to mention it was also centered around a macguffin that had previously not existed in the Star Wars movies, fuel.

@khaosbydesignuk946

6 жыл бұрын

TimeFreak, fuel has always been a thing, that's what cloud city was there for, to get Tibanna gas (hyperdrive fuel). And in Attack of the clones Anakin tells the clones to attack the separatist ships "above the fuel cells", so it's always been a thing it's just this is the first time we've seen someone nearly run out of it.

@OmegaZyion

6 жыл бұрын

KhoasByDesign UK, My problem isn't that fuel exists in Star Wars, it's that it has been turned into a McGuffin to drive the plot. Now we have two movies who's whole plot revolves around fuel and it just feels forced in a universe where running out of fuel was considered almost a non-issue.

@darwinxavier3516

6 жыл бұрын

No one really seemed to be worried about running out of fuel before. At least not in any canon or legends I've seen before TLJ. Hell, this reminds me of when Bay introduced a new McGuffin in every Transformers movie.

@CruelestChris

6 жыл бұрын

KhaosByDesign UK I thought Tibanna gas was the fuel for blasters?

I can offer one explanation for Holdo's meandering about before her suicide run. I suspect that her maneuver required very precise positioning so that the Raddus struck the Supremacy at the exact moment it transitioned into hyperspace, and that her delayed action was her carefully bringing the Raddus into position without drawing the attention of the First Order crews.

Grand Admiral Thrawn, Vice Admiral Cole and Lord Castellan Creed: "This movie had tactics?!?"

I like The Last Jedi, but both Hux and Holdo were completely incompetent. Holdo I can maybe understand since she might have just joined the resistance as a favor to Leia, but Hux is the First Order’s equivalent to TARKIN! I would expect a lot better from at least SOMEONE in the First Order navy, at least someone speaking up and saying “Why are we being stupid and just letting them run when we have basically crippled them!?

@wrayday7149

6 жыл бұрын

Well, remember, Tarkin had the look of someone important, how he spoke, how he carried himself, you knew by looking at him he was important. Hux just looks like they found a guy and told him he was important. However, Holdo might of came about due to the Rebels promoting anyone who brought something to the game. Han/Lando were made Generals in the OT and neither one of them were qualified in any way.... Han got the title Honorary destroying the Death Star but Lando ... had Han's clothes and the Millennium Falcon (and evac'ed cloud city before the Empire showed up). So I can see her getting a rank/title quite easy if she had something she brought into the Resistance.... and when all the actual skilled leaders died, well she had the next highest rank, so she is by default in charge.

There was Plot Armor Now we have Plot Logic

@user-jp7tw3sd3x

6 жыл бұрын

We also have Idiot Plot. The definition in wikipedia and tvtropes sound like "a plot which is kept in motion solely by virtue of the fact that everybody involved is an idiot, and where the story would otherwise be over if this were not the case."

I loved The Last Jedi but you make a lot of really good points. Excellent vid!

These were all good points, thank you for the video!

SW is not heavy on military action logic or coherence, but I'd like to see some military advisor helping the production.

@ChevyChase301

6 жыл бұрын

Rev BladeZ what about in Phantom Menace when a child is able to outsmart a giant military conglomerate fleet?

@Weston3243

6 жыл бұрын

Or even just a Sci-Fi author like Timothy Zahn or David Weber to sit around and point out flaws

@RayMKlll

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe in 9 we'll get that

@RonJohn63

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChevyChase301 or build a droid and a pod racing ship. The first three movies were pretty coherent, but then they decided to pander to children.

Yeah both sides had really bad tactics. Great video

Again, I'd love to see videos on the Yamato from Space Battleship Yamato (Star Blazers as I first knew it) and the Arcadia from Space Pirate Harlock.

You don't even need to go so far as to say they needed to launch a patrol. They just need fighters that are on an alert status that can launch and intercept at any given moment. It's why I always viewed how Battlestar Galactica handled its Viper squadrons in this manner as superior and the fact that a universe like Star Wars never had a concept like that always baffled me.

I've never actually been able to watch this movie from start to finish.First time I turned it off after the "yo mamma" joke.Second time after Hux got dribbled like a basketball.Third time after Finn did a Marx Brothers impersonation.Never tried again but I've probably seen all the later parts that people dislike in various reviews and I agree.This was a terrible film.I saw Star Wars in the theater in 77 when I was a kid and this ain't that.SMH

Is any one going to point out the issue of massive numbers of secondary explosions in the Raddius hanger bay? I mean 2 torpedoes manage to cause enough damage to knock out the entire fighter wing? When even current naval vessels have measures in place within the hanger deck to help mitigate the damage from an attack.

@casper-dakotanurse-baker7052

6 жыл бұрын

Reece Burckhard fule for the ships is flammable, especially coaxium

@warwolf3005

6 жыл бұрын

Coaxium doesn't work

@casper-dakotanurse-baker7052

6 жыл бұрын

Warwolf 300 what do you mean

@warwolf3005

6 жыл бұрын

A) Price. In the beginning of the movie, one vial cost 600 Cr or sth like that, but later on a box with a few hundred vials somehow cost 30 mln. (remeber that ISD production costs are 150 mln cr) B) Volume If it takes a burette for a space ship to use it's hyperdrive, nothing stops ships from running out of fuel as you can pack as much as you like C) Both in EU and Disney Cannon same fuel is used for sub-light engines and hyperspace engines, not difrent one as Solo proposes. (Legends: many books, especially X-Wing books, Cannon: Well TLJ. If the resistance has fuel for one hyperspace jump and later support ships run out of it in notmal space, the fuel must be universal

@casper-dakotanurse-baker7052

6 жыл бұрын

Warwolf 300 or they are running out of hyperfuel and sub light fuel

3:07 Thats a nicest form of Whirly Doo Hyperspace Jump that I've ever seen.

Everything you've covered makes sense Daniel. Thank you. But I guess the directors wanted to build up drama in the movie.

@Lightscribe225

5 жыл бұрын

No he wanted to subvert expectations. We expected sound tactics. Those expectations were subverted. Mission accomplished.