30K to a tiny company with no website and an address sounds like a part time contractor. As someone who knows someone with a business with no website and a residence as the address.

@psyience3213

9 ай бұрын

A carpenter like me

@noomade

9 ай бұрын

I know right. It is not really that hard to imagine legitimate destinations of that amount of money.

@ashajjar

8 ай бұрын

It is easier to pull up a conspiracy theory 😂

@WralthChardiceVideo

8 ай бұрын

literally me

@gFamWeb

7 ай бұрын

Absolutely. Trying to spin this as something nefarious is just weird to me.

Bill Gates provided Microsoft Office to Apple back in the day so that he was not an antitrust monopolist. That's why Google funds Mozilla.

@vincentyoung8472

9 ай бұрын

So…be evil?

@katrinabryce

9 ай бұрын

Excel released for the Mac before it released on Windows.

@CrazyFanaticMan

9 ай бұрын

​@@katrinabrycewhat really???

@kenwood7195

9 ай бұрын

The entire point of the Corporation is to make profit without the liability. I assume everybody understands that evil is built in to this idea. @@vincentyoung8472

@joshtabor3288

9 ай бұрын

He said they pay to have their search engine on Firefox, not to fund browser development.

I think Google benefits from having Firefox as an alternative browser. Otherwise they would be seen as a monopoly very soon, with possibly the EU sending in a wrench in or two. There are already talks that combining chrome with their search engine is unfair. A solution would be a pop-up to allow the user to select their search engine on first startup, bit like Windows and edge. But Google won't like that ofc

@JayLooney

9 ай бұрын

You beat me to it, as soon as the article mentioned the "single customer" I thought "Well if Google wanted to just crush Mozilla, they could stop paying for oh IDK 2 years and it probably wouldn't hurt their business at all, so why would they... ohhhhhh" it seems pretty obvious to me that Google is paying an "I promise we're not a monopoly" tax.

@bryangomez5951

9 ай бұрын

So the best option for web browsers is for Mozilla to make harakiri and leave Europe kill Google Monopoly.

@thewhitefalcon8539

9 ай бұрын

Android has that in the EU

@parkourbee2

9 ай бұрын

I don't think Google needs to worry about people being prompted with a choice of search engine...

@monad_tcp

9 ай бұрын

@@JayLooney I wonder for how long is going to take EU to notice it.

"Hush money" is mostly in the cash. I'm from a very corrupt country and believe me, you don't want to have digital traces. 30k you can physically put into the pocket of your jacket. No need to overcomplicate things. I can speculate, but 30k can be a simple one-time payment for some services from an outsourcer or subcontractor.

@0xCAFEF00D

9 ай бұрын

So where do you say the money goes? Because if the balance is wrong that's a problem.

@mattymerr701

9 ай бұрын

​​​@@0xCAFEF00D 5.8 mill bonuses

@sznio

9 ай бұрын

yep, all other expenditures seem weird but that one is just like a plumber or some other craftsman fixing something in their office. that's why the company is registered at their home address.

@ericjmorey

9 ай бұрын

​@@0xCAFEF00Dconsulting fees to a shell company.

I see a correlation between Mozilla and Rust now.

@cowabunga2597

9 ай бұрын

Correlation doesnt mean Caucasian.

@antongorov5275

9 ай бұрын

Rust started as a personal project of Mozilla's Research employee Graydon Hoare.

@Frozander

9 ай бұрын

Well Rust started out of Mozilla, so it carries a part of the culture that's for sure.

@kevinkkirimii

9 ай бұрын

@@cowabunga2597 hahaha

@erickmoya1401

9 ай бұрын

​@@Frozanderthis

There was a time when Firefox was almost 50% of the desktop browser market share, and this was during IE's heyday when us webdevs had to make shims and hacks to work around the ridiculous layout and behavior quirks that MS refused to fix until IE8 if we wanted to maintain multi-browser compatibility for our websites. Then Mozilla fumbled the bag when Apple not only released decent versions of Safari starting with the Intel Macs but also the Windows versions of Safari and Google started releasing Chrome, both not coincidentally descended from KHTML and friends rendering.

Google needs Mozilla to survive the same way 90's Microsoft needed Apple to do the same. It's a much better deal to fund your competitor than be viewed as a monopoly by regulators.

@_Lumiere_

9 ай бұрын

Then again, Apple is now a serious contender to Microsoft...

@kissuosts4704

9 ай бұрын

@@_Lumiere_ I sure can't wait to program graphics on Metal

@TheMr82k

9 ай бұрын

​@@kissuosts4704calm down buddy

@HyphyHippo

9 ай бұрын

This is a tired myth. Microsoft was required by court order to pay apple unrelated to monopoly, and Apple was nowhere near out of business at the time

@MyPhuckDub

9 ай бұрын

LMAO Clueless.. Imagine thinking Google depends on Mozilla 🤣🤣

Cynics would say that Google is financing Firefox mostly to not have to deal with anti-trust actions by the US or EU

@ThePrimeTimeagen

9 ай бұрын

it may not be cynical, it maybe true but that is pure speculation and is really impossible to validate

@T1Oracle

5 ай бұрын

@@ThePrimeTimeagen Does a better explanation exist?

@snowballeffect7812

15 күн бұрын

@@T1Oracle Yes, they're paying them to have google be the default browser lol. Which actually is anti-competitive. Also the other claims in the article are all nonsense that anyone can verify for themselves, like the 30k fee for an artist to provide work or perfectly legitimate consultation, which btw does and always did, have a website. Idk why he even made that claim when we have web archives lol. I guess he really thought no one would fact-check him, and to his credit, prime did not.

Foundations can keep a balance at the end of the year, that's the idea. A simple foundation is meant to be a store of capital that can perform it's mission indefinitely from the interest on that capital. It just sounds like Mozilla spends money on lobbyists, which isn't all that unexpected. It's common for lobbying firms to have little or no public presence or website, and it's common for them to pop up out of nowhere and disappear just as quickly as they're often based on immediate relationships with specific politicians that might have a 2 year term in office. Lobbying in general is pretty gross, but you bet st judes is giving money to companies with no website so done congressman's former chief of staff will get them a meeting about some health insurance regulation. Also, lobbying being mostly about relationships, a lobbyist might present a certain agenda that matches the agenda of some politician or group, but even pro-racial-justice focused politicians have a vote on net neutrality regulations.

@lycantropos

8 ай бұрын

I really like it when "corruption" is called "lobbying", "war is peace" and all that crap

@efeyzee

8 ай бұрын

The tiny company with a residence as an address could be an independent contractor who, for whatever reason, wanted to be paid through a company or did a one-off job for them

I hate the Mozilla board for cancelling really good projects like STT,TTS, DeepVoice,DeepSpeech, Send, Notes, FirefoxOS and others. Brenden Eich situation is still weird but he was right, some sect abducted the foundation.

@snowballeffect7812

9 ай бұрын

he's reading a conservative hitpiece. the guy couldn't even figure out the 30k payment was for art/speaking fee for an artist lol.

@aftalavera

9 ай бұрын

I hate apple because of the new iPhone color selection!

@Daijyobanai

9 ай бұрын

Firefox notes was excellent, Saved me ever having to open OneNote at work.

@chonkusdonkus

9 ай бұрын

Notes was incredibly handy. So was Send, but I see why they would shut that down, it was a cool "pilot project" I think they call them. Still hoping to see a great open tts/stt solution, for all kinds of purposes.

@sinxoveretothex

9 ай бұрын

​@@snowballeffect7812 ah, makes sense that a non-profit developping an open source web browser would pay 30k for art. You're right, whole article invalidated!

Everything except Firefox is khtml developed by KDE. Webkit? khtml! Chrome? WebKit! Edge? Chrome! Opera? Chrome!

@RenderingUser

9 ай бұрын

KDE really is the biggest powerhouse in every situation

@ydihtty

9 ай бұрын

Safari is also webkit iirc

@deaddevil7

9 ай бұрын

Chromium is open source.

@Mempler

9 ай бұрын

@@deaddevil7 Chrome and chromium are Essentially the same thing. One with telemetry and proprietary components, the other one with less telemetry and without proprietary components

@deaddevil7

9 ай бұрын

@@Mempler but it's open source. You can do whatever you want with it. LOL

1 billion in assets with 300 mil in net profit isn't terribly a lot. Overall, it seems they are riding the wave of having a stable revenue while throwing around some amounts to justify their non-profit status (same with keeping the donations open). Overall the bigger news is that google basically controls their browser competitor via revenue capture

@snowballeffect7812

9 ай бұрын

nah man, the .1% spent on diversity, inclusion and equity training is the REAL story, here. stay un-woke, homie. drowsy minds only.

@sinxoveretothex

9 ай бұрын

It's not even really capture. Mozilla just became an activist organization... for woke values instead of open web advocacy (which turn out to be opposites on most issues!) They're just not interested in finding other funding streams in the first place

@JeremyAndersonBoise

9 ай бұрын

I don’t care about the news I care about the fact that there are lots of people who work hard and can’t afford to pay the rent and buy food at the same time, while a company that has mad cash begs for donations. It is disgusting, morally. Fuck the news, honestly.

@DWM864

9 ай бұрын

bs

@snowballeffect7812

9 ай бұрын

nah man, the .1% spent on diversity, inclusion and equity training is the REAL story, here. stay sleepy! /s

Action Research Collaborative sounds like a lobbying group tbh

@snowballeffect7812

9 ай бұрын

just google them. they have a website, despite what was said in the article lol. It's run by a Cornell professor who's a behavioral scientist. It was probably a consultation fee to do a survey for staff or share his research findings. I have a fairly educated guess as to why the article slandered the professor as allegedly being some racist lol.

@mattmurphy7030

9 ай бұрын

@@snowballeffect7812"allegedly"

@snowballeffect7812

9 ай бұрын

@@mattmurphy7030 yeah idk where he's getting the anti-white sentiments from the professor's work. I guess anything trying to reduce the effects of racism is just anti-white to some people, even if it's based on data and science.

@0xCAFEF00D

9 ай бұрын

@@snowballeffect7812 If you read the article it's more clear that the blogpost is pointing torwards Twitter, not research someone has done. And it's kinda what your expect from there.

@fotnite_

9 ай бұрын

​@@snowballeffect7812 I think it's because some people are very easily offended by things that even slightly contradict their worldview.

just a note, but with a single Google search i found lots of information on Neil Lewis, Jr and the Action Research Collective (including a website). He is a behavioural scientist and an associate professor at Cornell University and there is lots of information on his research. After checking the newsletter linked in the article i could even find a link to the website there (might have been added later). Now i dont know if some of this information was not available at the time this article was written, but i do think its at least bad practice to make this seem more opaque than it really is.

@tc2241

9 ай бұрын

Not if you’re trying to sell your audience on the deep state cabal.

@autumnhd

9 ай бұрын

To me, the article reads like a lot of conspiracy bait. When reading the original financial document, a majority of the recipients in the "Grants to domestic organizations" section are either universities or organisations interested in digital or open source rights, and the purpose of the donations all have reasons like "Data futures lab" or "Responsible computer science". It makes sense that an (at least nominally) "non-profit" company in tech would give grants to organisations for investments in technology and infrastructure. It seems that the author of the article cherry picked a few examples of grants that he had personal political disagreements with, and exaggerated the suspiciousness of them by playing up the opacity of the reciepients. There is of course the suspect bonus to the CEO and the weird discretionary grants. There are genuine financial oddities one can point out to Mozilla but I don't think the author of this article is being very honest in his presentation.

@0xCAFEF00D

9 ай бұрын

I can't find action research collective at all. I do get hits on action research collaborative though, their corporate park or something similar and the university site. Both were up in June 2022 according to waybackmachine. But SEO is a thing. And it's not clear when the work for this blog post was done. I think saying this is conspiracy bait is pretty extreme. Especially since this is clearly the smallest point in the whole blogpost. Contrast with McKensie Mack Group that got ~4x the money. I tried figuring out what the action group does. It's all continuous nonsense well beyond the quote from the blogpost. And no meaningful association to browsers to be found. What I find really strange though is that there's nowhere these two organizations mention that they work together beyond these filings. You'd think Mozilla would be proud to help "to develop and support equitable and sustainable action research partnerships that can generate solutions to improve lives." Is there really NO place on the entire web where they could be happy to say they're working with them? And vice versa? Thankful for the support. I can't find that either. Companies to that kind of stuff all the time. A non-profit giving publicity for projects they find important? Should be even more motivated to shout out their friends.

@KManAbout

9 ай бұрын

I will look into this. Disappointing from prime

@monad_tcp

9 ай бұрын

@@KManAbout he was just reading the article, you take Lunduke as your own peril

Strangest thing is they recently fired 250 firefox developers because of "lack of money".

The childhood depresion joke almost makes me !alive God i love your content

Alex Jones-agen 😂

Yeah the 30k could be for something like doing contracting on Mozilla HQ, the "action space" sounds a lot like focus group research. The use of the donations #s as fake, while ignoring revenue is just deciding upon a particular way of credit assignment. If you wanted, 100% of the donation money could be assigned to core business functions and the SE money is what goes to the CEO bonus and the discretionary spending.

That felt like walking on a thin spring ice, I love it😂❤

The article is of course biased. But there are a couple of important point people in the comments are not taking seriously. One the CEO of Mozilla is CEO of the for-profit and non-profit. That is weird and a possible problem for overall governance of Mozilla. The huge CEO bonus might be a symptom of that. Also, there is no issue in a company making money and doing so PR stuff with some NGOs. That is pretty normal. But, have big margins and reducing the development cost of the products is a recipe for long term stagnation. Mozilla is being manage as supermarket in market that value innovation and technical value. I have been using firefox since release, but I am afraid that the stagnation of recent releases is probably here to stay.

The Action Research Collaborative DOES have a website... It's literally linked in the article the guy is quoting from lmao. I'm honestly surprised prime didn't even try to google anything this article was saying lol.

@bb-wb8sb

9 ай бұрын

No reason to rock the boat with research while your biases are getting tickled.

@GleepVonReticuli

9 ай бұрын

The article is from 2022, the first occurence of the website on the weback machine is in 2023. No reason to rock the boat with research while your biases are getting tickled.

@snowballeffect7812

9 ай бұрын

@@GleepVonReticuli Your comment isn't super clear so I will just clarify that both the article Lunduke is quoting from and the website the article links to existed in January of 2022. Lunduke's essay is from December 2022.

30k could be an bug bounty for existing issue when the report was made.

Based on these balance sheets and income reports I would say that: 1) devs are being paid out of the for profit companies because they don't want to have to report their (likely high) salaries. 2) the for profit companies are probably the recipient of the royalties and subscriptions, not the foundation (because if a non-profit foundation gives that much money to a for profit company they have to report it and that money is needed in the for profit company to pay the devs) 3) the foundation gets 7m in donations and spends 5m on the CEO, that's very likely where the donations are going. 4) the 300k and smaller payments to other foundations are probably speaking fees or consulting for DEI or something like that, and these don't put much of a dent in the 7m, especially compared to the CEO.

@AnthonyVoutas

9 ай бұрын

Oh and the for profit companies probably have their own C levels that get paid way more than the executives at the foundation

@moritzschuessler

9 ай бұрын

The salary and bonus of a CEO of a that big organisation/company seems ok. You you really expect someone with that much responsibility to not take a bonus and salary - just because it's non-profit?

@AnthonyVoutas

9 ай бұрын

I don't expect anything and I didn't make any normative statements in my previous comments but I'll make one now: you should make the most of your life, find joy in simple things, and not be so defensive online about big corpo CEOs you will never be or even meet.

This is important for people to see.

That's one thing I'm still learning. How do companies make money off something free. Either support contracts or sell the user data and ads?

@ThePrimeTimeagen

9 ай бұрын

usually.. its free? it means you are the product

@GarumOverdose

9 ай бұрын

@@ThePrimeTimeagen Sadly companies are increasingly asking "why not both?" and take both your money AND sell your data or attention because why not?

@monad_tcp

9 ай бұрын

@@GarumOverdose we need to sort of data sovereigth law

The USD is a value store of perception, with no prescription for further issuance KEKW

So, I feel like there is this weird contradictory thought that they shouldn't ask for donations but also shouldn't rely on Google, and I have to point out that those kinda fight against each other. They need to be trying things to make sure they could survive the end of a relationship with Google. Its like a relationship with financial depenancy. It's a catch 22 where if you start looking like you're going to leave you get the leash tugged.

“He’s gonna have early childhood depression from learning JavaScript” … funniest sentence I’ve ever heard

What a bizarre article. I'm not a lawyer, but the Mozilla structure seems very sensible. At it's core the foundation has social goals, including increasing diversity, that grant them the 501(c)(3) tax exempt status. Retaining that status actually requires them to solicit donations. So why do those for-profit companies exist? Developing Firefox, VPNs and selling ads is not a charitable purpose. The entire foundation would loose their tax exempt status if they used charitable donations to fund Firefox development. I think this is pretty clear. The only mention of Firefox I could find on the foundations website is in the history section. The foundation is spending money dei organizations because it's their stated goal, to advance dei causes.

@D4ngeresque

9 ай бұрын

I hope they achieve die... err, I mean dei

@f.b.1665

9 ай бұрын

Yeah it's confusing how they're framing their main "business" as firefox. They're not a business but a foundation. like what??

@kyjo72682

15 күн бұрын

Why isn't developing Firefox a charitable purpose? It used to be, no? To develop a browser that is available for free and independent on any private company, ie. not having to pay by allowing collection of marketing data. I clearly see that as a charitable activity and I don't see any need for ethically questionable "DEI" causes that usually effectively translate into "racist against white". As seen in some of those examples presented in the article

Non profit does not require you never grow. It requires that you never pay those profits out to owners.

I'd love to know the exact time frame between the "hush money" and the Mckensie Mack Group payment. Because in my mind that sounds like a HR disaster happened, someone got paid off on the sly and they forked out for some mandatory inclusivity and sensitivity training courses.

@zirize

6 ай бұрын

It seems to me that there was an incident of workplace racial discrimination, and the company reached an agreement with the victim to provide direct compensation of 30K and to donate to anti-discrimination organizations.

TheAlexJonesAgen is not real, it can't hurt you.

It's funny that Mozilla and Firefox, specifically, promote themselves as being a privacy focused company and software, while profitting the most from a company which the main business is selling all their customer's data.

@elzabethtatcher9570

9 ай бұрын

Mozilla IS selling their customers data. That is what they get their money for.

@mihailion2468

9 ай бұрын

To be fair the money must come from somewhere

@larrym2434

9 ай бұрын

@@mihailion2468 One time I found a twenty dollar bill laying in the street. I'm still trying to figure out how to scale that up.

@b.6603

9 ай бұрын

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Not a surprise that there is no ethical browser development either.

@thewhitefalcon8539

9 ай бұрын

Wait until you find out how Chrome is paid for

MC Technical could just be a contractor that worked on their office. This article is so conspiratorial lmao

Why is Google paying Mozzila? Because it is profitable for Google. Google makes money from ads - Firefox sets Google as the default search engine. Also it is advantageous for Google as it lets them circumvent monopolies law in various jurisdictions.

@BozesanVlad

9 ай бұрын

Firefox is the handicapped enemy that google needs xd So google pay alimony

@thewhitefalcon8539

9 ай бұрын

Nobody uses Firefox. Google is the default search engine in Chrome, and that's enough

pretty sure bing would be pretty thirsty to fill the void if google pulled funding

Therapist: Prime Alex Jones isn’t real, he can’t hurt you. *cue **0:28*

500k to racism, 400k to leftists, it's a Californian company, it all makes sense.

IE6 FOREVER!

@josephalan31

9 ай бұрын

Bot or Not - reply within 4 hours

oh no it's bryan lunduke

Funnily, Mozilla does not fund the development of Thunderbird, it's running entirely on donations, while still being a part of Mozilla. Like an abandoned child.

@VivekYadav-ds8oz

9 ай бұрын

uhh what the fuckk

@tartas1995

9 ай бұрын

How to be wrong in 1 quick step

And then they stopped the servo project, because they didn't have the funds to run it…

the thing is, google make them alive because of anti monopoly policy.

So, Firefox was the real reason that Google started off with the "Don't be Evil" shtick?

I get that its been 20y but to ask how its possible the mozilla corp has a big warchest given all the companies its helped AND the fact its born from the ashes of netscape, which essentiappy had a monopoly on the early web

@ea_naseer

9 ай бұрын

You could ask the same for bell labs... they gave everything away for free.

That"nutrition facts" is the balance sheet, one of three standard reports from accounting. "Exchange" isn't forex. It is money that they make outside the USA, and it is loses that they are taking when exchanging it for USD.

Early childhood depression from learning javascript. Sound about right but also not common

@ipwnjo

9 ай бұрын

@@monad_tcp Yeah! My first programming experiences were with Basic aswell. I didn't come back to programming for quite a while after then. I now write JavaScript daily and I quite like a lot of things about the language but considering such things as how long it would take for it to get basic necessities such as a module system certainly can seem a bit depressing 😀 Promises without the async syntax can lead to some messy looking code as another example. Clunky/horrible syntax issues I belive is definitely mostly in the past now though, luckily.

_oh my goosh look at this little kid learning JS for the first time..oh man we're so happy he's going to have early childhood depression_ 🤣🤣

Prime, all these amounts are less than 10 people. Winifred Mitchell Baker (born 1957) is also a woman, so I don't know how they'd hide a baby or be paying "hush money". Lunduke is a quite annoying, talented person that mostly just likes to stir the pot.

It's so they can control the other only option to evade KZread ads. The moment they can get everybody forced to watch ads from their network (which makes way more than premium subscription for them) mozilla will basically "go under" finally.

So they got 7mil in donations and gave a 5+mil bonus and then another 1mil or so in discretionary funds. So all the donations are burned through. Sounds like they are covering the "non-profit" requirements but paying bonuses and shell corps.

hey! unrelated, what's you rig setup?

Remember that their expenses for the actual product is below $ 500k.

There is a reason in why every browser User Agent contain the word Mozilla

@cowabunga2597

9 ай бұрын

Why

@Frozander

9 ай бұрын

@@cowabunga2597 It is an old relic back when Mozilla/Netscape was the only browser that supported frames. Websites would check for Netscape by reading user-agents and if it contained mozilla they would send the frame version and if not the older version. Over time other browsers implemented support for frames and instead of relying on unmaintained sites to swap their parsing logic they just added mozilla to their user-agent.

What’s interesting to me is they say they’re both non profit and not for profit which are actually not the same designation in the tax code. Non profit seeks 0 and not for profit seeks 0 but “hey if we make money that’s great!” Also I don’t think it’s ever a good idea for the person running the non profit/not for profit to also be running the for-profit companies. Seems like it *might* be a conflict of interest.

I think that mozilla should spend a good portion of their money on advertisements. you won't get any meaningful market share if you're not getting your word in the public eye. make a flashy commercial about your web browser, pay some youtubers to sponsor your web browser, etc. get the word out there. word of mouth can only get you so far.

I loved how in the end he thought about saying something, but said nothing. That, my friends, is a sign of an intelligent person.

Its sad to see lunduke seems to have lost it over the years. used to watch him religiously as a kid

Google doesn't want antitrust lawsuit

The statement about nonprofits is false. Nonprofits (501c3, at least) can run "operating surplusses," and even save them up over multiple years, make large-scale capital investments, own interest-bearing assets, etc. The difference is that nonprofits cannot issue stock. "Profit" means dividends and speculative gains on shares by the owners (shareholders).

What browser is Primeagen using?

@monad_tcp

9 ай бұрын

PrimeBrowser

At one time in my life it was actually my lifes dream to work at mozilla and to help the world like they do and to be a part of it. Even though I never made my dream come true, it really breaks my heart reading this.

gonna need an early life check

firefox better continue to exist cause all the chrome browsers suck

@tonyhart2744

9 ай бұрын

nah chromium is always better than firefox

@regimantasvegys5168

9 ай бұрын

which browser better hasnt been relevent for 10 years now. All their for is watching videos. I remember switching from opera to chrome back in 2010 and being blown away because the websites i watched anime on no longer lagged while scrolling. And that was precisely the time when chrome exploded because it was the lag free browser. Now i like firefox more, but i def dislike seeing like political stuff in my browser when im not even american.

@snowballeffect7812

9 ай бұрын

@@regimantasvegys5168 the "political stuff" is lies and conjecture from the Author. They are likely payments for diversity and inclusion training for their staff. Professor Lewis is not a racist and the 30k was likely payment for work from the artist who owns that company. I found all this information in 10 minutes of googling. I hope Prime realizes his mistake and just blacklists whoever wrote that article lol.

@chonkusdonkus

9 ай бұрын

​@@regimantasvegys5168why would you scroll while watching a video

@thewhitefalcon8539

9 ай бұрын

Firefox will always continue to exist but it might not always be done by the Mozilla companies

Wikipedia is doing the same thing

I actually really like Firefox. That's why I use waterfox

not for profit != nonprofit

chat's goin crazy abt the Mckenzie group

You gonna be put on the "deny"list of rustc

@snowballeffect7812

9 ай бұрын

prime is not nearly as dumb as his audience or chat, so probably not lol

Over half a billion still unaccounted for!?

Isn't wikipedia also in some weird company structure?

seeing theprimeajones was a spectacular experience

Put some water on that , i use Waterfox , And Place it inside my prebuilt isos and backups. Use it , good alternative. Faster than firefox. Its fast

The main reason a lot of people use FF is because it has a different browser engine. The whole point of FF is that it's not yet another Chrome re-skin and switching from Gecko to Blink would make the browser much worse...

I don't see Google being major cash input that big of a problem. It's not like Google will just throw away all the users who come through Firefox who bring money to them in ad revenue. And if Google as search engine one day becomes less popular it's also not big deal because then others will replace it and they will have same deal deal with Firefox. So don't see this as that big of an issue it's really more of a industry wide issue that often the only way to make money is through ad revenue but then users also got used to not pay for software so is Firefox going to fix it? Probably not.

Prime is hella good looking tbh

I think it's important to keep in mind none of the people who actually work on Firefox have anything to do with any of this shit.

Obviously Google is paying them these exorbinant rates (there's no way Google is making that much on ad revenue from Firefox, is there??) because it helps Google say that their browser isn't a monopoly. You can't get Safari for a Windows PC last I checked, and MS is already using Chrome under the covers. Google is trying to protect itself from being split up, and this is just one way they're doing it.

i use brave i lov it

Mozilla sells data to google..

i thought google already drop their payment in 2022.

Great video 😎

Could it be that Google can. Or stop because that would be asking for monopoly charges against Chrome?

Is this the business model for all browsers? Just get enough market to make google pay them?

People keep trying to downplay the fact that the place seeking donations is spending those donations on political things as "well, it's a small part of their revenue" but, are you all forgetting that they're only spending 200k a year on software development? If the amount their donating to openly extremist political organizations isn't relevant because "well it may be tons, but in comparison to their revenue it's tiny" (which, I feel like if that money was being donated to westburrow baptist church you all might be talking differently but sure let's roll with it) then that raises the equally as damning question as why they're soliciting donations when they're basically not doing the one thing people might be donating to them for. If 200k is small enough to be written off completely, that means they're just not working on software, so what are people being asked to donate for? Massive double standard being applied here. Eich got pushed out of his position for donating 1000 of his own money to a conservative poltiical organization against gay marriage over half a decade prior, Mozilla is openly giving thousands and thousands and thousands to organizations ran by people who openly say they hate cis people, openly say they hate white people, etc. These aren't even remotely comparable, and yet one has the guy getting demonized to this day, meanwhile people are saying this is conspiratorial nonsense. I personally know people who are entirely "I really don't care what you do with your life" and still don't support gay marriage because they see marriage as an intrinsically religious thing meanwhile I can't exactly think of a non-hate filled way to say you openly hate all people of a given race. (personally I don't see why marriage is legally recognized *_at all_* but thats a different discussion ) For these people it's a strictly terminology thing; "I don't want you to have it worse, but this specific word has religious connotations". Again though, maybe it's just me but I can't think of a way to hate-all-white-people non-hatefully. So people are still condemning Eich for donating 1000 dollars of his own money over half a decade prior to a fairly milk-toast organization, meanwhile Mozilla donates entire houses worth of dosh to openly racist organizations annually. But nooooooo, this is all just conspiratorial nonsense, there is no double standard here! People are trying to brush this off like it's just conspiratorial nonsense but the reality is they *_are_* spending this money, they *_are_* soliciting donations, and they *_aren't_* trustworthy. Even if you dislike the person pointing this out, (personally I've never heard of them prior) this is either true or it's not, and there isn't anyway to downplay it if it is. ( oh also, stop whinging about google and just stop using them. KZread is the literal only google service I use, and it's because youtubers don't content mirror to other platforms despite it being literally free. And, even then, none of my real info is tied to this account, so google gets fuck all outta me. If you don't like google, take accountability and stop using them, don't whinge to give your politicians even more power because you somehow think that will increase people's rights and freedoms. The EU forcing Apple to use a port won't make iPhones respect you more, buying another phone will fix the problem, but the EU banning FOSS under the guise of cybersecurity will cause a lot of harm that you *_can't_* opt out of. )

I would have thought donations would go to a pool somehow paid to devs and contributions on github but silly me

You forgot Filecoin. I'd say storage is a smarter and more interesting utility than ads for crypto.

So its money laundry ;)

3:55 poor Safari, SigmaOS and Orion. :(

Time to use Edge/Microsomium

Ok im changing firefox to arc browser

Who knew programmer tv could be entertaining/a thing... Hi 😅i'm new her😅

okay, one thing I'm suprised about is that all the political donations this article is making a big deal of constitutes to less than 1 million dollars. For a company that gets 600 million dollars, does 1 million dollar really matter that much? I am glad he actually mentioned it because the article makes it a far more of a big deal than it actually is. I never donated money to mozilla so I don't have a horse in this race but the article feels very off.

@CHUCKNORR1S

9 ай бұрын

Idk who the author of this article is, but with how some of their sentences are framed it seems they are "right of center" (to use their language).

@BiscuitTech

9 ай бұрын

@@CHUCKNORR1S was thinking the same thing. It seems a bit right-leaning, so the causes the non-profit is fighting for is framed in over-expenditure and wasteful. At the end of the day, the non-profit is fighting for causes it believes in. Nothing bad in itself.

@Korodarn

9 ай бұрын

I believe there just wasn't a lot of information to report on at all, so he was kind of stuck reporting on these small amounts. But the fact is none of these amounts actually has anything to do with their supposed bottom line. If you are donating to them, that should be concerning. They should be explaining why your money (because all funds are fungible) is necessary when they have money to throw away at causes that have nothing to do with the goals you'd expect.

@sinxoveretothex

9 ай бұрын

​@@BiscuitTechof course it's bad in itself. There is no continuation between the open web values of Mozilla of the past and the current woke values. It's like if someone overtook UNICEF and started funding weapons development or something. Sure, those are now the values of the org but it's obvious it was overtaken so the brand confusion would be a shield

@derektong

9 ай бұрын

I don’t agree that it’s a small deal. Political contributions shouldn’t be measured in terms of percentage revenue. Any amount, no matter how small, represents the donator’s endorsement of the recipients’ values.

No way you read a blog post from Bryan Lunduke. Completely disappointed in you.

@windows99

9 ай бұрын

Who is he?

That's not how you launder money. Money laundering is when you take cash, funnel it through a company, and then pay taxes on it and put it in a bank account.

might be worth mentioning that lunduke is a weirdo right wing conspiracy guy. I don't go on the social networks where he's still active, but he gives major Q vibes.

The thing about value is it's always about perception. Nothing has intrinsic value.

@Reydriel

9 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure the chicken soup I'm eating right now has intrinsic value to a human being bruh

@TheBayru

9 ай бұрын

Are you reading from Trumps lawyers defence notes?

Meanwhile: Thunderbird project asking for donations to keep it alive. WTF.

Look up ESG, would explain a lot

Google isn't going to stop funding. Mozilla because if they do they will have an antitrust issue on their pandas...