Biggest ERRORS shooters make ZEROING RIFLES pt1

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This very common mistake causes shooters a lot of frustration they do not need. And it is not a rifle issue or a scope issue. It's a SHOOTER problem originating directly between your ears that are standard issue, left and right, one each!
The rifle is a savage 110 about 30 yrs old. in 223 rem. Scope is a Shepherd 6x18, w/V2 ret. The ammo is hand loads that will stay at or under 1 MOA. I use great rifle to check out questionable scopes and great scopes to check out questionable rifles and in this case, both to prove a point.

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  • @bgdog1960
    @bgdog19606 жыл бұрын

    I've been shooting a long time and this just shows that you're never too old to learn something new! Thanks

  • @jollyrancher400
    @jollyrancher4004 жыл бұрын

    Now im gonna go to the junk yard and search for my scope to ask for forgiveness 😭😭

  • @romanadamenko6111

    @romanadamenko6111

    4 жыл бұрын

    comment deserve more likes

  • @shawnmcclellan6218
    @shawnmcclellan62187 жыл бұрын

    it's a valuable video for the newbies. Many new shooters don't have a person to mentor them like our father's did in the past.

  • @texnwar

    @texnwar

    7 жыл бұрын

    delmont223 Eeeks!

  • @jeffreypizza7791

    @jeffreypizza7791

    6 жыл бұрын

    I did not realize that I do know a gunsmith that told me never put a flashlight mount on your barrel. Because the barrel waves when you shoot.

  • @SuperOpinion8ed

    @SuperOpinion8ed

    6 жыл бұрын

    Because so many newbies don't have fathers at all.

  • @marabhorring112

    @marabhorring112

    6 жыл бұрын

    I am in that exact boat. I've had to learn everything the hard way and I had no idea this was an issue. I will have to double check my optics to make sure they're properly zeroed in this manner.

  • @johnny6148

    @johnny6148

    5 жыл бұрын

    when i see hunters rest barrel in tree crotch i got to laugh

  • @goonerdotcom
    @goonerdotcom6 жыл бұрын

    I can't think of a better way to explain this. Thank you for all the pains taken to show this.

  • @benscott19841
    @benscott198417 жыл бұрын

    That's crazy never would have guessed it would make such a diffrence. Great video

  • @paulsimmons5726
    @paulsimmons57267 жыл бұрын

    Great detective work, I've seen this before myself. Good lesson for sighting in and using scopes.

  • @MidnightRangeTM
    @MidnightRangeTM7 жыл бұрын

    Great video! I love simple videos like this that actually show things that other people just talk about. You hear so much contradiction in shooting, it good to show proof! Nice job

  • @brandonwoods2985
    @brandonwoods29856 жыл бұрын

    I had no idea resting the rifle on the barrel vs the stock made a difference. Thanks for the video.

  • @dakotaslim
    @dakotaslim6 жыл бұрын

    Beautiful! Thank you. Status as Rifle Range Detective, Scope Zeroing Division confirmed. You're saving a lot of shooters a ton of grief. Assuming that they pay attention.

  • @nathanielharter1643
    @nathanielharter16434 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for that. In the past I had been good at sitting in rifles. However this last time it was late at night shooting out of the back of a pickup truck. I made this same mistake and I never knew why I was having this issue Thanks you have enlightened me!

  • @michaelhowell8489
    @michaelhowell84895 жыл бұрын

    As an ex armorer in the Guard, I can tell you are right on about floated barrels!👍👌

  • @dwhunter8904
    @dwhunter89047 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for a clear precise video. I don't know why so many people commenting feel a need to call others names. Some people " just don't know". Maybe the negative comments are coming from the so called "range experts" ? A hunter and a professional or trained shooter are two different animals all together sometimes. Good video.

  • @cavscout62
    @cavscout623 жыл бұрын

    I’m so very grateful for my childhood and being raised in a family of Marksmen and Gunsmiths. That’s a great shooting rifle BTW, I hope your Friend has been instructed in correct procedure now. Great video as well.

  • @johncarreon8040
    @johncarreon80404 жыл бұрын

    That’s an outstanding demonstration my friend thank you for uploading.👍

  • @hunterross9615
    @hunterross96157 жыл бұрын

    This makes so much sense!! Thank you so much!!!

  • @darthdively
    @darthdively6 жыл бұрын

    Good info for people learning to sight in. Thank you, i learned something!

  • @laserbeam002
    @laserbeam0024 жыл бұрын

    Just bought my first rifle today with a scope. I've never dialed in a scope before so this was very helpful. Thank you for posting.

  • @bromhillellis2788
    @bromhillellis27885 жыл бұрын

    I knew not to rest the barrel on the stand but never knew why. Thanks for doing this little video, I learned something (again).

  • @joechrisman8257
    @joechrisman82576 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video. Very properly put together & organized. Good info for a novice shooter. Thanks

  • @brosrcool
    @brosrcool3 жыл бұрын

    Always like it when I finish a video and I think to myself "I just learned something" Thanks for helping.

  • @VR-fn3kv
    @VR-fn3kv5 жыл бұрын

    That is some awesome advice. Hard to believe it would make that much difference but I sawed it wit my own eyes

  • @padronopusx6460
    @padronopusx64605 жыл бұрын

    You need a nobel prize, man. Thank you.

  • @slthbob
    @slthbob7 жыл бұрын

    Very well done example of why barrels are "floated" and how easy it is to negate that by how you use it.

  • @steveriley1600

    @steveriley1600

    6 жыл бұрын

    Also good reason to make sure the barrel is not touching he fore end when rested I take a dollar Bill and slide it from front to back and make sure it will move freely. Cheaper 300 guns have clearance issues and should be addressed with bedding the rifle.

  • @1776adb
    @1776adb3 жыл бұрын

    A tight grip as opposed to a loose one will also affect the group. By that I mean consistency is key to a good group. Do everything the same exact way and the results will be likewise.

  • @3333glen
    @3333glen7 жыл бұрын

    Very good video. Well edited. I wish more would be respectful like this of our time, and cut out the comments about their summer vacation, being ill, etc.

  • @alesdiy1249
    @alesdiy12493 жыл бұрын

    Very good elaboration...thank you. Now I know why i miss my targets even after zeroing my scope.

  • @badrobot2765
    @badrobot27655 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant work, i find it hilarious when people blame perfectly good equipment instead of their lack of knowledge haha

  • @nebraskahunter100
    @nebraskahunter1006 жыл бұрын

    Cool video and great info most people probably would just blame the gun or the scope. Nice to see a fellow Nebraskan making good informative videos.

  • @pjb9425
    @pjb94254 жыл бұрын

    Yes sir, barrel harmonics, there's lots of research and science there, thanks for taking the time to demonstrate, great vid.

  • @easttexan2933
    @easttexan29337 жыл бұрын

    Outstanding video !! See this all too often where I shoot. Also another problem I've noticed is newbies over torquing the rings on their mounts which causes the cross hairs to jump spaces when adjusting. The very same results can happen. sometimes just a simple adjustment of a couple clicks up/down or horizontal can make the impact couple inches off. My point....don't over tighten those rings. 25-35 in/lbs of torque is sufficient. There is no need to damn near twist off the head of the screw tightening down your rings lol

  • @wadedeeds1738
    @wadedeeds17386 жыл бұрын

    Very very good sir. Spot on, little things truly mean a lot. Thanks.

  • @jeremylaxton8639
    @jeremylaxton86396 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the tips. I never rest on the barrel. I did remove the bi pod on my rifle and it too, changed the point of impact on my target. I never would've thought that, but it did. Of course it was a cheap injection molded stock with screw in sling swivels but hey, I didn't know.

  • @AirGhandi
    @AirGhandi5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot! Great tipps for newbies! Keep up the good work!

  • @jdmec81
    @jdmec814 жыл бұрын

    Wow, this explains a lot about why I ended up searching for this video.

  • @markroath98
    @markroath985 жыл бұрын

    I have struggled with sighting rifles at times, and this videos points out a possible reason why.

  • @mikevanin1
    @mikevanin14 жыл бұрын

    Amazing that people would do this! That voice reminds me of Levon Helm (RIP, drummer and vocalist in The Band) - some may recognise him as the old Tennessee firearms expert in Shooter (2007).

  • @InCountry6970
    @InCountry69706 жыл бұрын

    Very good video with solid advice and I love the editing tricks, nice touch

  • @waynetomkins5584
    @waynetomkins55845 жыл бұрын

    Definitely something to watch out for, very interesting and thanks.

  • @joshballesteros22
    @joshballesteros223 жыл бұрын

    When I was taught to shoot and mess with sites or scopes. You always fire three shots. Reposition, fire three more and then once again. This method has always worked for my. By doing it three times, you will find all your problems or find success.

  • @yurikfarba7169
    @yurikfarba71693 жыл бұрын

    Just bought my first bolt rifle and got the scope mounted and boresighted...heading to the range this weekend thank you for the great tip!!

  • @tjmooremusic
    @tjmooremusic7 жыл бұрын

    Good advice. I can't for the life of me figure out why any one would change the rifle position at all. even if their doing it wrong out of the gate. thanks for the video.

  • @ngzcaz

    @ngzcaz

    6 жыл бұрын

    Agreed... when trying to duplicate shot placement, why would you change positions on the rest ? The word " duplicate " ( even if its wrong ) says it all..

  • @kickazz9473

    @kickazz9473

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@ngzcaz Maybe they weren't paying attention and just moved it on accident. Because their so engrossed with sighting in the scope. Their forgetting the other little details. I will fully admit I did stuff like this when I was a new shooter. I had no one to teach me. So KZread and youtubers like this man were lifesavers for me.

  • @elijahmonn3757

    @elijahmonn3757

    4 жыл бұрын

    The guy that posted this has taken the time to show people the effects of resting your gun on the barrel. That is kind of him.

  • @mattlang8603
    @mattlang86033 жыл бұрын

    Nice to see solid logic at work. I think your deduction is sound. Good work!

  • @JoseRodrigues-sq6mc
    @JoseRodrigues-sq6mc5 жыл бұрын

    Awesome video, after watching, i realized i was doing this mistake with my air rifle earlier today! Thank you

  • @bartondavis3107
    @bartondavis31074 жыл бұрын

    I learned something today! Thank you. Very well done video

  • @InSightFreedom
    @InSightFreedom5 жыл бұрын

    Excellent demonstration.

  • @sgt.majorburtontruxal249
    @sgt.majorburtontruxal2497 жыл бұрын

    good video ... good advice, consistency is the key .. many never notice the simple things .. before they know poof goes a box of ammo and stomping off, thinking something is wrong with scope or gun.

  • @dvstiger
    @dvstiger4 жыл бұрын

    Excellent demonstration!! Super good job.............

  • @jasonbeymer4025
    @jasonbeymer40257 жыл бұрын

    Thank you. This solved my problem at the range.

  • @richardgraham65
    @richardgraham655 жыл бұрын

    The exact same mistake I have been making! Thanks for the video.

  • @joedoug3647
    @joedoug36475 жыл бұрын

    This is a very helpful, well done video - Thanks!

  • @peterkite7663
    @peterkite76634 жыл бұрын

    WELL DONE A VERY VERY HELPFUL VIDEO MISTAKES I HAVE MADE IN THE PAST THANKYOU FOR YOUR GUIDANCE.PETER.

  • @zacharysauson6418
    @zacharysauson64184 жыл бұрын

    Darn I wish knew this is the stupid mistake I was making! Thanks so much for the video I had no idea resting on the barrel or the stock could make such a difference thanks again

  • @mark2731
    @mark27313 жыл бұрын

    great advise never thought of that. thanks

  • @dnick49
    @dnick494 жыл бұрын

    It just goes to show that you can learn something new everyday. Nice video, Thanks

  • @im_caiman4479
    @im_caiman44797 жыл бұрын

    I've seen this on professional hunting shows. Amazing.

  • @larryreno8293
    @larryreno82934 жыл бұрын

    I guess I never thought about resting my rifle on the barrel. Thank you for the good information.

  • @thomaslester8702
    @thomaslester87024 жыл бұрын

    Like Dave, I too learned this a long time ago. Like he said you don't offer advice at the range unless you're truly asked for help or it's a young person who wants to learn for it makes all of those know it all's mad... I like the Shepherd scope you have. I have one as well it's the 6x18 V1A it on a 300 Wby mag. They work great and have had it out to 1000m. Nice video for beginners.

  • @OhSoddit
    @OhSoddit7 жыл бұрын

    Very well presented video - well done, and thank you.

  • @christrek1027
    @christrek10274 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much! Just got back from the range chasing my tail all over the place for this very reason.

  • @derrickmitchell39dm
    @derrickmitchell39dm5 жыл бұрын

    This is such good information for me because I too have made that same mistake. Thanks!

  • @debreauer
    @debreauer7 жыл бұрын

    weather an old shooter or new this is great information , the art of handing info down to new shooters has been corrupted here is Aust due to the laws in place. a lot of new shooters have no idea and go to the gun shop and get a rifle that if they are lucky , has been bore sighted and think thats all it needs. they have passed the licence requirements and thats it 95% of them have never even held a firearm prior to this. most of these are townies ( people that only live in the city ) and have had no practical training from a young age, like it used to be .. and sorry for the rant , great work ..

  • @sgt.majorburtontruxal249
    @sgt.majorburtontruxal2495 жыл бұрын

    Great video, simplicity ... Excellent demonstration. In similarity: Funny story. I purchased a M1903/M1903A3 for unbelievable price which I believe was used in the Civilian Marksmanship Program, Prior to buying I ran a dollar bill between stock and barrel, it was free floating . It so happened to be a left handed stock sporterized. "The Stock looking like a log." I am right handed, so what the heck .. I cut the cheeck side to accommodate right side, took the stock down futher added a swivel based UTG Bi-bod and created a wood flat based rear stock rest; football pads for cheeck rest attached a 10 round bullet strip. Camo Painted using pine straw for a cool design. I'm talking less than $125.00 bucks! Has a Rem 700 front sight and the original bridged peep sight. Shoots sub moa 100 yards with NATO 147 grain 7.62 x 51 ammo. Take it to the range I get people laughing .. until they see how it Shoots. I recently bought an amazing Fajen mannlicher Gun Stock that fitted almost perfectly slight shaving for the rear bridged sight, gun looks amazing, kept old stock. Have not had opportunity to shoot since swapping stocks. Hoping it hasn't restricted the free floating barrel. Video demonstrates the importance of any pressure on barrel.

  • @rolandos7028
    @rolandos70286 жыл бұрын

    Thanks, this has happen to me before and has got me going crazy.

  • @jpc123ful
    @jpc123ful4 жыл бұрын

    I think this video just explained how I threw a shot on an otherwise sub MOA group....I used a velcro strap on the tripod rest to better secure/stabilize my rifle....I lapped the velcro over the barrel and tightened it down and my following groups significantly changed..I never thought that slight pressure on a rifle barrel could have such a significant affect. Thanks...very informative video.

  • @DrHurtYou
    @DrHurtYou5 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for that free education... I'll use it well!

  • @daveperala4723
    @daveperala47237 жыл бұрын

    I learned a long long time ago, never offer advice at the range. It piss's off the "Experts". So, I'll sit there next to them and punch out a happy face on my target while he's all over the place trying to figure it out. Did this once, the guy was laughing at my grouping. Right up to the point where he actually saw what I had done. Can't understand why he didn't speak to me the rest of the time I was there.

  • @bw83m94

    @bw83m94

    7 жыл бұрын

    Dave Perala Amen. Something about "gun" guys who aren't actually gun guys not being able to take helpful advice. Hell, it could just be the nature of being a guy period. I've learned just to wait until people ask. If they want to waste ammo it's their money lol. Another big newbie mistake when sighting guns in is the difference between point of impact, and point of aim. As in the difference between moving the crosshairs to the group, and moving the group to the crosshairs. Seen plenty of people logic their way backwards on that one unable to figure out why the groups keep getting worse. My personal favorite is people using the cheapest ammo they can find to sight in a gun, or sighting it in with ammo that they don't intend to hunt, or target shoot with.

  • @jeremy74pow

    @jeremy74pow

    7 жыл бұрын

    a few times I've had guys walk over to me, hand me their rifle, and ask if I can make it shoot like mine. I cut old oxygen tanks in half and weld a chain so I can hang 'em. One day I was shooting 100 yards and a guy asks me to sight his AR and give a 30 rnd mag, so I got I got it sighted on paper with six rounds then hit the steel tank 24 times with the rest of the mag. So I hand it back to him and he fires another 30 round mag at my steel tank only hitting it 4 or 5 times, and with that he was really excited and completely satisfied he actually hit something that far.

  • @nielsonnc

    @nielsonnc

    6 жыл бұрын

    HAHAHA oh man!!! I've shot long range competition and have done well in the past...but being a girl this statement couldn't be more right! HAHAHA I once won a competition but we were given a warm up 2 shots hahaha and the guy next to me was having a similar problem as this movie...I offered a quick pointer and was so harshly shot down hahahaha so all I did was shoot. I won and the man after seeing my groupings was mad as hell and didn't talk the rest of the time...infact he left early after they announced the winners. Man some people think cause they're male and like guns they are inherently great at shooting them...reality is it takes tons of range time and some study to learn to shoot really good. I've also had men offer to buy my gun at the range for 2k more than I paid for it. Those men approach me with some humility so I can have a small sit down with them...usually they leave happy with their own equipment and excited about putting in more range time. Very well said Dave and commentary crowd!

  • @nathanhorvatich8360

    @nathanhorvatich8360

    5 жыл бұрын

    Accurately stated observations..I’m just out of Army after 21 years and the masses of civilian “shooters”..are oft diametrically opposed in all points to a the culture and ideology that soldiers train in and with..

  • @Hunterslife315

    @Hunterslife315

    5 жыл бұрын

    Haha nice. I have ppl like that at my club in nys

  • @Abdu572
    @Abdu5725 жыл бұрын

    I understand that touching the barrel will introduce new pressure points that will affect the barrel harmonics, but I never imagine it would be repeatable, excellent video very well done

  • @grizbait618
    @grizbait6184 жыл бұрын

    Very well illustrated

  • @MikeM0331
    @MikeM03314 жыл бұрын

    great demo and analytics.

  • @DSROBB
    @DSROBB4 жыл бұрын

    Great video and spot on assessment of the problem.

  • @jross13450
    @jross134505 жыл бұрын

    Great info. Makes complete sence too. I have the problem of resting my AR on the barrel and my shots end up high. I will make the adjustment to resting on the fore guard and recheck my results. I'm going to bet that my precision becomes 100% better

  • @martindrengenxbox360
    @martindrengenxbox3607 жыл бұрын

    When my costumors buy a new rifle, I always go with them to zero their scope in the stores underground shooting tunnel. I give them a few tips and pieces of advice, do's and don'ts, also I always say: "take 2 shots before you dial the scope." One shot and a control shot, just to eliminate shooter error. Mostly just for new shooters. Within 5-10 minutes my costumor is placing his/her rounds right untop of each other, the following smile is worth it!

  • @robertwhinnen5602

    @robertwhinnen5602

    5 жыл бұрын

    Is that a “tumour or a tumor “? No, a customer!

  • @charlesludwig9173

    @charlesludwig9173

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yes, dry fire and call the shot. No live fire until shots are called right-in-there.

  • @barndweller4573
    @barndweller45736 жыл бұрын

    Thank you, I did not know this. I am a fairly new guy so it helped me.

  • @marabhorring112
    @marabhorring1126 жыл бұрын

    This is an invaluable video, thanks!

  • @MyREDTAIL
    @MyREDTAIL7 жыл бұрын

    Great Information, Thanks for sharing.

  • @easttexan2933
    @easttexan29337 жыл бұрын

    excellent instruction and demonstration. thanks for sharing.

  • @antiantifaterrier5761
    @antiantifaterrier57615 жыл бұрын

    Cool video sir. I’ve never had a problem sighting in my rifle but I never knew we shouldn’t rest on the barrel which by luck or common sense style thinking I’ve never done.

  • @MrGuitars8
    @MrGuitars85 жыл бұрын

    The adjustment after the very first shot was the problem , resting and making shots on your barrel is the other problem . Very good video .

  • @stevendeatley4878
    @stevendeatley48785 жыл бұрын

    good info,I learned this the hard way with a black powder rifle one day at the range lol.the rest was a box with a pillow stuffed in it and when i laid the rifle on it to get a rest the barrel was resting on the edge of the box on the other side of the box and no matter how far I tried to adjust the scope down each shot was about 6 inches high at 100 tards I finaly seen what was going on and cut the far side of the box away with my pocket knife and then got the rifle sighted in no problem before I ran out of powder and lead lol.

  • @katashi222
    @katashi2223 жыл бұрын

    Right on!!! Just like aiming at different holds...gives different results....

  • @andreyk5739
    @andreyk57393 жыл бұрын

    Very good point, thanks!

  • @jaybicknell1795
    @jaybicknell17954 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting. I never realized that this could have a dramatic result. Always rested on forearm while zeroing in, makes sense... you don't hold the barrel when firing

  • @eldel5.023
    @eldel5.0237 жыл бұрын

    jst learned something new!! subscribed!! great vid thx

  • @thisguysnameismatt4460
    @thisguysnameismatt44605 жыл бұрын

    Thankfully for me, the first lesson i learned about zeroing is every shot should be taken the same same way, never move the gun, and if it happens to be done wrong (i.e.using the barrel and not the stock, wear a glove because youll have to hold the barrel when shooting.... or deal with re zeroing...lol). Great explanative vid. 👍👍👍

  • @tomlee6263
    @tomlee62633 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the reminder!

  • @pamundson9
    @pamundson94 жыл бұрын

    All I have to say about your video is your obviously a well experienced shooter and anyone who has a shooting area inside thier house to shoot outside thier house is someone who you DEFINITELY want to listen to. Great video

  • @bryanteal
    @bryanteal6 жыл бұрын

    I find it hard to believe, that very many people, whom are diligent enough to sight in their own rifle, using a commercial target, are not diligent enough to maintain a consistent resting point, whether it be on the forestock or the barrel.

  • @DalonCole
    @DalonCole5 жыл бұрын

    Thank God I was raised by men who knew how to shoot. I am retired now and work at a Range and it is unbelievable the silliness I see. God Bless Texas

  • @mech-xh6rb
    @mech-xh6rb7 жыл бұрын

    good demo, thanks

  • @SUCONITNOW
    @SUCONITNOW5 жыл бұрын

    Very good, informational video, Plus no silly or noisy music.

  • @chuckg2016
    @chuckg20165 жыл бұрын

    Impossible to accurately zero anything when using inconsistent weapon placement. That should be pretty basic.

  • @pjr324
    @pjr3245 жыл бұрын

    Thanks. I just came from the range and did the exact same thing and was frustrated. Makes sense.

  • @joshjosh2599
    @joshjosh25996 жыл бұрын

    Great video I just got my first scoped rifle and went through the same thing thanks !

  • @tylertrosen8154
    @tylertrosen81543 жыл бұрын

    Super great information.

  • @josephcushman454
    @josephcushman4545 жыл бұрын

    Great lesson to all newbies .

  • @donrollo7329
    @donrollo73294 жыл бұрын

    Very good video, thank you for this info and very good to see it as it happens Thank you

  • @Hunterslife315
    @Hunterslife3153 жыл бұрын

    I could tell before watching this human error. And how the guy rested shot placements. Great video!

  • @rseawolf2253
    @rseawolf22536 жыл бұрын

    Wow, never knew that. Makes sense. Thanks for the schooling.

  • @johngrunwell2412
    @johngrunwell24125 жыл бұрын

    I zero'd my new .30-.30 scope resting the forestock but also using my sling as this also ensures my eye and cheek will be in the exact distance and position for each shot I take. Used 50yds as my first sightings and grouped my final 3-shots in the size of a dime. Your so right, your setup is very important and must be consistent and should be close to how you would normally expect to be holding for eye placement, why I sling and shoulder placement. As you brought out, never rest the barrel.

  • @brightmathew9668
    @brightmathew96684 жыл бұрын

    Thankyou that was an eye opener to me.

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